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September 06, 2008

Zogby: McCain-Palin Now Lead By (Almost) 4
— Ace

Forget the numbers, which are always squiffy. Observe the direction.

But if you do what to look at actual numbers, note that when Palin and Biden aren't mentioned, McCain only has a three point lead. With the running mates mentioned, not only does McCain pick up almost a full point, but the pair clock in at 49.7% -- which is what we call a majority in America. (Given the 1-2% draw of third-party tickets.)

Unfortunately, Palin is not helping with undecided women. I sort of feared that.

On the plus side, she helps with many other groups:

Clearly, Palin is helping the McCain ticket. She has high favorability numbers, and has unified the Republican Party. The striking thing here in this poll is that McCain has pulled ahead among Catholics by double-digits. On the other hand, Palin is not helping with likely voting women who are not aligned with either political party. The undecided independent women voters decreased this week from 15% to 7%, but those women went to Obama. Palin is also helping among men, conservatives, notably with suburban and rural voters, and with frequent Wal-Mart shoppers, who tend to be "values" voters who like a good value for their money.

Suffice to say if Palin actually does start to draw women voters, forget it, turn out the lights, it's over. Katie bar the door.

We won't even need Bush to cancel the elections and declare himself El Jefe Maximo Por Libre, as left has long insisted he would. (And, actually, I admit, has always been our Plan A. But now Plan B is looking pretty good too.)

Hot Air's headlines.

Also-- I haven't bothered because there's just so much of it, but if you haven't read it all, check Hot Air for all the scandal-debunkings and balloon-poppings.

Although I too take pleasure in this shit being debunked, and imagining Sullivan crying so much he needs Gatorade injections to rehydrate himself, the left-wing and the media (but I repeat myself) is simply throwing every piece of shit rumor out there without vetting. It's disgraceful -- but it's also not working.

And in the few areas where a good case can be made against Palin -- tough shit, DKM, no one's listening any more. You lose.

Magical Mystery Tour: Meet the Beatles.

Quote from the naturally pessimistic Allah:

Just listen to the crowd. Ive honestly never seen anything like this for a conservative politician before.

Those are roars. You can't fake this.

I would say something stupid right now like "It's over, Obama is toast."

The trouble is, there are still five or six major twists to come in this thriller.

My problem with this speech is that she's mostly just repeating her very-good nomination speech. I know it's a "stump speech," and as such frequently repeated, but she has to start varying it up a little bit, like a band changing its set list every show. Sure, most of the songs are still the same, but you slip in a different unexpected song from time to time.

In this one, she mentions reforming Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which is what I'm talking about, but that's just one different song.

McCain also should start campaigning with rotating all-stars like Huckabee and Thompson, and send out Palin separately to cover different cities and towns with other big names -- especially Giuliani, whenever possible.

The Giuliani-Palin combination is already a proven killer.

Some Movement With Women: Rasmussen shows some movement with women. They show Obambi with a 1 point lead (three with leaners), but if women are moving towards McCain/Palin, well, we'll have not two weeks of gloating but two months.

My Attempt at Shooting an Idea to the Campaign: Hey, Geraghty had one of his suggested lines (a killer line) incorporated into the speech.

Thanks to Slublog for knocking that together.

Posted by: Ace at 04:50 PM | Comments (84)
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1 Do I need to even quote Nelson Muntz?

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 06, 2008 04:52 PM (UsvyG)

2 There will be plenty of time for that later.

Posted by: michaelt at September 06, 2008 04:56 PM (x4LR9)

3 In that case, we can go back to our offensive, thinly veiled sexual references to one Milky Glutes and Barry O.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 06, 2008 04:59 PM (UsvyG)

4 Think John. This is what happens when you go conservative.

Posted by: Robert at September 06, 2008 05:02 PM (Rb4Qc)

Zogby has them up? That can't be good news ... they're never right. It's like asking Dick Morris for political analysis.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 06, 2008 05:03 PM (WhFvm)

6 Where's your messiah nowww?

Posted by: Edward G McCain at September 06, 2008 05:03 PM (evdj2)

7 "Unfortunately, Palin is not helping with undecided women." She will. As the shit-storm of lies is exposed and people get to know her, I predict she will draw loads of undecided women.

Posted by: Bubba Thudd at September 06, 2008 05:06 PM (Q9kZv)

8 Correctomondo, Ace. It is not the actual numbers, it is the trend you want to watch. Very few of the polls are dead-on election day but most are reflecting the trend by that time.

On top of this, McCain-Palin gets the least amount of coverage from any of the traditional (pwned) media sources.

Bloggers' Row has a lot to crow about this election season.

Posted by: prairiemain at September 06, 2008 05:07 PM (uDqa7)

9 And shortly she's going to draw a good chunk of undecided women as well, probably after the debates. It's over. Now, how much will Obama's campaign do to the down ticket races if he craters?

Posted by: The Obvious at September 06, 2008 05:15 PM (1g+FW)

10 And he's going to crater.

Posted by: The Obvious at September 06, 2008 05:15 PM (1g+FW)

11 A couple of things to note...

Re: Independent women. I've talked to a few of them in the last two days, and they've all said (basically) the same thing: "She's going to start handing out Bibles in school, etc." Which is crap, but it does show that at least one of the canards, that Palin isn't just personally religious but that she's one of the Xtian Taliban, seems to have drawn some blood. That'll be the one they need to counter.

Second, I've been wondering about the affect of party affiliation on polling. Starting with the 2006 debacle, (R) affiliation has been down. People who weren't strong (R)'s had stopped reporting it to the pollsters. They were either too embarrassed to say they were (R), or actually had decided that they didn't want to be associated with (R) any longer.

FF to this past week, when Gov. Palin made it okay to say you were (R) again.

So, if the pollsters are adjusting for the affiliations from the last election, when (R) was very low, what effect if any will that have on their reported results? Will they keep adjusting the answers of reported (R)'s downward to match the last sample as they say they do, statistically depressing their impact? Or, will they somehow readjust their adjustments to take that into effect? I know that today Rasmussen noted the increase in (R) identification.

Is that worth one or two points in the polls? More? It all depends on how the different pollsters will deal with a dramatic shift in party affiliation reporting right in the middle of an election. My guess is that they won't tell us what they're doing and it'll all be Zogby-style voodoo until the real poll in November.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at September 06, 2008 05:17 PM (ZA24H)

12 She will. As the shit-storm of lies is exposed and people get to know her, I predict she will draw loads of undecided women.

I think she'll be a bigger help with democrat male voters. Not female. Republicans want to be the party of walmart shoppers, the aspirant voters. This year, the media has driven home that the republicans are that party - although not quite like they wanted.

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 06, 2008 05:17 PM (fE4SP)

13 I heard from my cousins sisters best friend that Sarah Palin will not even allow baby seals to be aborted. True story.....

Posted by: LiveFromFortLivingRoom at September 06, 2008 05:17 PM (+BJgT)

14 Ugh. Vanity Fair is continuing with the Bristol smears. I swear I will never read another paper or magazine or click on their online links again. Fuck them.

Posted by: grc at September 06, 2008 05:19 PM (3h8sn)

prairiemain, maybe it's just my choice of reading... but I think bloggers have been driving the local politics news cycle since 2002. It was mostly libertarians and hawks in 2002, patriots in 2004, good-government liberals in 2006 and now it seems to be Reagan conservatives (for Palin) and outright moonbats (against Palin).

Not all these guys are nice people (the anti-Palin blogs are evil); not all of them end up with what they ultimately wanted (the 2006 reformers got us... Pelosi). But they all have "a lot to crow about", in terms of effect.

Posted by: David Ross at September 06, 2008 05:19 PM (rtzHA)

"Long time listener, first time caller..."

Unfortunately, Palin is not helping with undecided women. I sort of feared that.

But see, here's the thing, I was working yesterday and was talking to a person I work with frequently, and he was saying that he was a long time republican, but was just disgusted with Bush and how things have been going in Washington, and blamed Bush, mainly, but after the convention said that he could really see himself voting for McCain.

And I think that's the thing that Rasmussen might miss, and even Zogby's poll, if "lite-Republicans" are willing to reassociate with the party because of Palinmania, then of course those who remain classified as independants are self-selecting and more likely to support Obama.

There was a lot of shame in being a Republican recently, that's going away and fast.

Posted by: Gov98 at September 06, 2008 05:20 PM (d9LVc)

17 The trouble is, there are still five or six major twists to come in this thriller.

True, but the shine is off Obama, and basically, all he has is shine. A while back, I said that if McCain could make it safe for voters to laugh at Obama, he was doomed. I'm still thinking that.

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 06, 2008 05:20 PM (evdj2)

18 Wait until the debates. Team McCain will kick ass.

Posted by: grc at September 06, 2008 05:22 PM (3h8sn)

When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldnt answer them directly,

Barack Obama, writing in Dreams Of My Father

Posted by: Jones at September 06, 2008 05:25 PM (VkNlv)

frakypants, those "independent women" were big on Fahrenheit 9/11 in my admittedly-limited 2004 sample. Would these be middle-aged white-ethnic single urban women? Spiritual-not-religious, in a low-end job in "marketing" or some such?

How can Palin Republicans, who are more well-adjusted, appeal to a set like that? (Just throwing that out there.)

Posted by: David Ross at September 06, 2008 05:26 PM (rtzHA)

21 I roared when I heard she was McCain's VP pick.

She has that effect on people.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 06, 2008 05:27 PM (E1rLc)

22 The crazy religious-phobia stuff is simple to counter and will become more ridiculous as time goes on. She's going to pick up the women...lots of them. and there will be several twists and turns as this goes on. None of them will be good for Obama, or the MSM. The difference is the Democratic party will survive. CNN and MSNBC are actively ruining themselves as news organizations. They might as well hire Robin Leach and John Tesch.

Posted by: The Obvious at September 06, 2008 05:28 PM (1g+FW)

23 I get Ace's point about the set list, but Palin has only been on the national stage for less than a week. We should always remind ourselves that the casual voter is not checking in for each speech for new tidbits. They will need to change things up, but coming out of the convention, it makes sense for Palin to stick with McCain (so he can share in the applause and get credit for picking her) and to stick mostly to stuff from the speech, which tens of millions saw, but hundreds of millions did not see.

Posted by: Karl at September 06, 2008 05:28 PM (acC/M)

I think the genuine enthusiasm for Palin is because conservatives haven't really had anybody to get excited nationally over since Reagan in 1980.

The Bushes were solid, but not men to go to the wall for- Bush 41 was suppose to be RR's 3rd term and W was Clinton payback.

McCain, wether by accident or design, can be seen now as a bridge rather than a dead end to a younger conservative GOP (Palin and Jindal).

Turnout hinges on wanting to vote For something -McCain just gave us that, as utterly amazing as it appears.

Posted by: jjshaka at September 06, 2008 05:29 PM (8Q72C)

25 "the shine is off Obama" Racist!

Posted by: notropis at September 06, 2008 05:30 PM (A3mhA)

26 GRC: the first word that comes to mind on the Obama-McCain debates is cluster.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 06, 2008 05:30 PM (UsvyG)

I totally agree with Ace on Palin's speeches; she needs to start changing things up. Hopefully, the team will fill her in and get the variation, with knowledge, into her talks.

On a sour note, I still think they will lose; the media is still too powerful.

Posted by: Brad at September 06, 2008 05:42 PM (XWJh5)

28 The undecided independent women voters decreased this week from 15% to 7%, but those women went to Obama.

These are probably the same women that are eager to have Barry order them back into the kitchen, keeping them pregnant. After ordering Hillary back, and launching on Palin, ordinary professional women with children under the age of 18 are next.

As a white male, I'm eager to support Barry's efforts to rid the workplace of female professionals. The shortage of competent professionals who juggle their personal lives will certainly boost my paycheck. Then when their kids are all grown up, they'll be so far behind in their careers that they won't have much choice but to be the good little helpers we remember from the 1950s.

Go Barry Go!

Posted by: redherkey at September 06, 2008 05:43 PM (kjqFg)

29 Jones (#19) - Excellent strategy -- we should use Obamessiah's own words against him as much as possible. It ruined Kerry's chances in 2004 (among other reasons), and the more Captain Bullshit's^TM words are used against him, the more impact it will have.

Maybe the Obamessiah is so in love with the sound of his own voice that he's got a case of chronic diarrhea of the mouth. After all, Chicago's nickname of "The Windy City" comes from its bloated gasbag politicians.

Let's just hope we can weather the storm through November. Otherwise, I don't really like the idea of living in the United Socialist States of America (USSA), which is where we'd be headed if the Obamessiah gets in.

Posted by: The Other Shoe at September 06, 2008 05:45 PM (BVxxw)

30 A local station has a has a poll showing big numbers for McCain in Tampa
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjZiZjE5ZDY0ZmUxMmI4ZDIxY2FjYmQxZGMxZmQ4NzE=

Posted by: Vmaximus at September 06, 2008 05:48 PM (8r2OW)

31 Um, ace, it's the frickin' Saturday after the convention. You should just be chillaxin' a little more, bro. Puff, puff, give. They'll mix it up. You can bet your Butterfingers on that one.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 06, 2008 05:52 PM (qAMnO)

>they've all said (basically) the same thing: "She's going to start handing out Bibles in school, etc."

people who believe that sort of liberal trope (like my brother and sister-in-law) are stupid, and probably can't be reached with facts or logic. They probably think fire can't melt steel, and stuff.

Palin and McCain have their stump speeches, but the way you mix it up is by throwing in one or two things that are important to the state you're in that day. In Colorado, for instance, you talk about oil and gas leases on the Western Slope.

And so on.

Posted by: Jones at September 06, 2008 06:00 PM (VkNlv)

http://tinyurl.com/6calxd
Ex-Dem operative, Bruce Wolpe, now a MSM suit in Australia, discovers the only way for the Dems to win:

An Obama ally assessed what Palin means: "This is a turnout election and the right will now turn out. I still think this is Obama's race to lose but he could lose it unless our folks turn up the energy

"Obama needs to help identify her over the weekend as a book burning fundamentalist with a secessionist husband, a wacky minister of her own and an appetite for pork barrelling. They need to marginalise her as a nice but extreme, fringe, inexperienced and slightly less than honest politician. Right now, she is America's sweetheart

"They have to demonstrate she is a radical conservative mannequin with a stylist."

[Via Tim Blair; I guess Bruce doesn't know that the innertubes means you can read shit from all over the world now in real time. Oh, and was he forced to take the name "Bruce" to get a job in Oz, I wonder?]

http://tinyurl.com/5hwo88

Posted by: andycanuck at September 06, 2008 06:01 PM (qKkaY)

34 Oh, and was he forced to take the name "Bruce" to get a job in Oz, I wonder?

I'm guessing he's more of a "Sheila", actually.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at September 06, 2008 06:09 PM (5Psnq)

35 1) I never answer polls because the questions are always misleading and/or stupid and the results are pretty much always abused. Interestingly enough, none of the R's I associate with personally answer polls either.

2) I've heard from some "independents" who are turned off by Palin, but others who didn't even vote in the last election are saying they're excited about her.

3) I'm not the least bit ashamed of being a Republican, but I don't talk about it at work since I work with hippies and I want to have a job.

I don't get the "ashamed to be a Republican" shtick. After the Clintons, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, and Obama, you're ashamed to be a Republican?

I mean, WTF?

Posted by: Merovign at September 06, 2008 06:12 PM (UXoQt)

36 #17 You used "shine' and "Obama" in the same sentence!

RACIST!

Posted by: Team America at September 06, 2008 06:20 PM (lN0qY)

37 I heard McCain and Palin were going to split up to cover more ground, but they decided to campaign together a while longer. McCain probably wouldn't get the large enthusiastic crowds without her, and that wouldn't look so good.

I'm beginning to wonder if she might have coattails capable of helping the GOP House and Senate candidates in November.

Posted by: lmg at September 06, 2008 06:21 PM (A/vgC)

38 Well, there's "ashamed" as in "unwilling to put a sign in my yard because it will just get another damn swastika and it's just too much bother." Somewhat like your point 3. Not _actually_ ashamed, but acting circumspectly, let's say.

Posted by: Al at September 06, 2008 06:21 PM (Lk931)

39 will not even allow baby seals to be aborted.

Next question - who is in the business of aborting baby seals? I never heard of this activity. Ever. Be specific. Name names and places.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2008 06:23 PM (6L459)

40 I don't t think that the McCain campaign is not aware of the need to both 'vary' and 'expand' their message. These are subtle issues and need to done carefully to prevent collateral damage. If you are firing on all cylinders now, it is important to be sure that the next direction taken is precisely where you want to go. Don't interrupt momentum.

These guys are running a most excellent campaign, and thus far have not really missed a beat. I note that the whiners are out complaining that Ms.Palin is not going on the Sunday shows tomorrow. As she damn well should not at this point. As the campaign said-- she will or will not do something according to OUR schedule not yours. When she does go (if she does go) it will be when they are pretty confident she can at the very least 'do no harm'. That time is not now.

I am confident that the Good Ship Obama has already hit the ice. But the captain is still in the lounge thinking all is well. Smoozing with the true believers. Just a matter of time now.

Just a matter of time.

Posted by: dougf at September 06, 2008 06:25 PM (16GPT)

In this one, she mentions reforming Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which is what I'm talking about, but that's just one different song.

The Giuliani-Palin combination is already a proven killer.

Really good calls Ace, they should hire Ace.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 06, 2008 06:26 PM (Ytjzn)

42 Merovign. Holy crap, I'm in your same exact situation. Ditto on all three.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 06, 2008 06:27 PM (AZGON)

43 Why the periods after Energy and Independence?

Posted by: abw at September 06, 2008 06:27 PM (O3p1A)

44 I think she WILL have coattails to help down ticket if she talks energy independence - Drill, Drill, Drill. The dems say drilling won't solve all of our problem "As if we didn't know that!" - was just a fucking killer line.

Anybody have an idea on Obama's money bleed rate?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 06, 2008 06:38 PM (Ytjzn)

45 abw: because McCain/Palin has both Energy and Independence, and because they say they will fight for Energy Independence. It's so people get the double meaning. If you didn't have the periods, they'd just think of the second.

jones: Actually, they're not stupid, as in "lack of intellect." They are, however, limousine libs of the classic variety. Husbands makes tons of cash. They have little to do, so fill their lives with stuff that makes them appear "busy." They just love the lib stuff because it'll never be a bit of skin off their noses if a minimum wage hike actually crushes unskilled workers, etc. Yet they can feel that they've supported something good!

Posted by: mr.frakypants at September 06, 2008 06:38 PM (ZA24H)

I don't know.

All of this enthusiasm has almost an artificial feel to it. A forced feel, as if Republicans were looking for any reason at all to become happy about McCain.

One speech had this much impact?

It's such a complete 180 by so many people, it's making such a change...it makes me pause. It makes me suspicious. It makes me step back and choose to be patient and watch it unfold. And it doesn't make me change my mind.

When something looks too good to be true...

Posted by: Barbelle at September 06, 2008 06:40 PM (qF8q3)

47 Barbelle: you sound "concerned."

I don't think it's the speech itself, so much as the fact that many people just said to themselves "Holy shit -- McCain is actually fighting to win."

Posted by: mr.frakypants at September 06, 2008 06:54 PM (ZA24H)

Barbelle: you sound "concerned."

Like that is a bad thing?

I don't think it's the speech itself, so much as the fact that many people just said to themselves "Holy shit -- McCain is actually fighting to win."

Well come on, he was doing that before, only he was fighting dirty by influencing the Huckabee vote to weaken Romney's.

I still have "concerns" that McCain would make a crappy president.

Posted by: Barbelle at September 06, 2008 07:01 PM (qF8q3)

49 no he's saying you're a "concern troll."

She's not, she a long time reader who went away for a while.

Hey, not everyone has to be excited about the ticket. Just enough to win.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2008 07:02 PM (1WR4H)

50 Ummm. this poll was taken on Friday and Saturday of this weekend.

Dudes..
football season has started and most folks of the red persuasion during this timeframe have been at a) work on Friday daytime b) high school football games Friday night c) soccer/football/softball games Saturday morning d) College football games in the afternoon e) out for dinner Saturday night.

And if you think either my husband or I am gonna answer some unknown phone call while football is on the TV, you gotta be kidding me.

The red staters they got were not the college/family/most likely to vote McCain crowd and they still got these numbers...

Posted by: bmeuppls at September 06, 2008 07:04 PM (lNXkY)

51 We won't even need Bush to cancel the elections and declare himself El Jefe Maximo Por Libre, as left has long insisted he would. (And, actually, I admit, has always been our Plan A. But now Plan B is looking pretty good too.)

Libre means freedom I think Senor. Is the word you are looking for vida?

Posted by: fozzy at September 06, 2008 07:06 PM (ccEuN)

Palin will have coattails in the House, whose elections are "base" elections. Republican House candidates need to insert themselves between Palin and whatever cameras are around.

The Senate will go full Dem this year whatever happens; it's mostly Blue States voting, and 2002 was a "security" year. But at least it won't be a trainwreck like 2006.

Posted by: David Ross at September 06, 2008 07:07 PM (ZDlhz)

53 Thanks, Ace. You must be having some real Moby troubles considering how many times my lack of rabidity over McCain has resulted in the accusation.

Posted by: Barbelle at September 06, 2008 07:09 PM (qF8q3)

54 My problem with this speech is that she's mostly just repeating her very-good nomination speech.

One of the Bush administration's biggest failings was that it did not repeat its message until it sank in. The Dems have been kicking our butts in that department the last few years. (See: Culture of Corruption)

I, for one, hope McCain and Palin keep hammering their messages home until people don't have to stop and think about the best choice; they'll just know it.

Posted by: McGillicuddy at September 06, 2008 07:15 PM (/DFbK)

55 Where's your messiah nowww?

Posted by: Edward G McCain at September 06, 2008 10:03 PM (evdj2)

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: rockmom at September 06, 2008 07:19 PM (iZqUY)

56 Barbelle is not a "concern troll." She's one of us, trust me on this.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 06, 2008 07:24 PM (USS4v)

57 My wife and I were at the rally in Colorado Springs today. This was our first time at a political rally so we have nothing to measure today against, but the turnout was huge! I don't think those putting the rally together expected a turnout like today because anyone (like us) near the back could not hear a thing. The speakers were set up for a few people up front leaving us to guess what was going on. We ended up leaving half way through McCain's speech and let me say from what we heard he does much better in that sort of environment than he did in delivering his speech at the RNC.

The energy and excitement were over the top. If today was any indication Obama is in trouble!

Posted by: Kevin at September 06, 2008 08:02 PM (ce2sy)

58 Do you know how many loads sully's power glutes will need to milk to rehydrate?

6.

Posted by: Contributor X at September 06, 2008 08:07 PM (/Zt8j)

59 Barbelle,
I think the energy is real. My dad is not a political sort and he said his entire plant has been doing nothing but talking about Sarah Palin. If she's polished enough to avoid a big gaffe (and a gaffe in the real sense, not the Washington, D.C. sense) I assume she'll continue to be a huge plus for the McCain ticket as well as down-ballot Republicans.

Democrats are scared of her for a reason. Beyond "hope" and "change" Obama has done very little to impress the 20% of voters in the middle. Eventually they'll want more than two silly words and I haven't seen the evidence yet that he has the goods to deliver. Have you?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 06, 2008 09:24 PM (14k+t)

60 "the shine is off Obama"

Damn white devil honkey slavemasters that run this racist board...Y'all just minions that work for DA MAN, keeping a brother down...He'll get back at all you crackers...IF YOU DON'T STOP, THE MESSAIH WILL START PLAYING THE RACE CARD ON YOUR CRACKER, BEDSHEET WEARIN', WHITE TRAILER TRASH, GUN AND BIBLE HUGGIN', PASTY WHITE ASSES - SO VOTE FOR BARRY, DAMN IT!

Nat X

Posted by: NatX at September 06, 2008 09:57 PM (FmHHv)

61 I think where Palin is going to have her greatest impact, perhaps undetected by many pollsters, is on turnout. I think a lot of us have changed from "...unless the fish are biting that day..." over to "...if necessary after walking barefoot over a mile of broken glass while fighting off swarms of rabid tsetse flies...".

Posted by: DaMav at September 06, 2008 10:00 PM (X2qWM)

The trouble is, there are still five or six major twists to come in this thriller.

Yeah, the twists of Obama corkscrewing into the ground.

Posted by: Nordbuster at September 06, 2008 10:14 PM (Sqms3)

63 Nom de Blog wrote:
My dad is not a political sort and he said his entire plant has been doing nothing but talking about Sarah Palin.

PLEASE tell me that your father's plant is in a solid blue state!

Posted by: liontooth at September 06, 2008 10:36 PM (n3pxb)

64 Ace is right, Rudy and Sarah would be a killer combo! Palin is like cold steel, you don't really know your are mortally wounded until it is too late.

Posted by: Hongqi at September 06, 2008 11:25 PM (+WuMm)

65 You...not, your are. Keep moving.

Posted by: Hongqi at September 06, 2008 11:27 PM (+WuMm)

66 Those uncommited female voters? Forget about them (at least from a polling perspective), anyone who purports to be uncommited at this point is striking a pose, is not anything actually approaching a likely voter, and therefore is not much of a useful data point.

Posted by: ThomasD at September 07, 2008 03:34 AM (UK5R1)

67 liontooth,
My dad is in a union shop in North Carolina. It's filled with conservative (READ: Reagan) Democrats who are available to the right conservative candidate.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 07, 2008 05:18 AM (14k+t)

68 Barbelle: Sorry it came off that way. I knew you'd been around (longer than me for sure) and weren't a troll, which is why I put the quotes around "concern". I was going to smiley it afterward, but that's a little gay for this site. Note that I did actually address your point, though.

Sorry.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at September 07, 2008 07:13 AM (ZA24H)

69 Actually, there IS something moving among women. Last coupla days I spent some time looking at a feminist blog called Tennessee Guerilla Women. Normally very left, but they're pissed about Obama knifing Hillary and there was a lot of thoughtful discussion about Sarah, pro as well as con. Some of them realize that, apart from her positions, she's about them too. Course not everybody, and there was an obvious troll there, pretending to be a woman and faithfully reciting all the Democratic talking points. Probably assigned to the site and paid for his work. Still, something is stirring under the ice.

Posted by: Nitrogen at September 07, 2008 08:16 AM (XmshC)

I cant believe the leadership of the free world will be determined by "undecided women"

Its almost too comical to think about

Posted by: Senator John McCain at September 07, 2008 09:24 AM (/YM8H)

I guess they're just waiting for that ONE brillliant McCain=Bush ad before they make up theyre minds

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 07, 2008 09:25 AM (/YM8H)

Eventually they'll want more than two silly words and I haven't seen the evidence yet that he has the goods to deliver. Have you?

Pfft. 'Course I haven't. Whenever I want to see Obama, I just go to my walk-in closet and stare at one of my husband's empty suits.

Barbelle: Sorry it came off that way. I knew you'd been around (longer than me for sure) and weren't a troll, which is why I put the quotes around "concern". I was going to smiley it afterward, but that's a little gay for this site. Note that I did actually address your point, though.

Sorry.

No worries, mate. I'll probably continue to get that because I'm still not on board for McCain.

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