September 22, 2008

Winner Staffer Liu-Klein on the Yes or No Question of Whether He Uploaded the Palin Smear and Posted it to DU: "I'll have to get back to you"
— Ace

Um...

"I'll have to get back to you as soon as I can"?

They're obviously trying to get their stories straight and figure out some plausible way to claim this had nothing to do with the Obama campaign.

They're a crisis communications firm. And they've had 12 hours to figure out their story. But they apparently haven't come up with a good one yet.

I wonder if Liu-Klein realizes that as the lowest man on the totem poll here, he's the obvious fall-guy: "We regret an overly eager employee decided to hijack our YouTube accounts for his own unauthorized political purposes..."

Posted by: Ace at 11:52 AM | Comments (84)
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1 If their lips are moving, they are lying.

Posted by: Shaitan at September 22, 2008 11:56 AM (65WaW)

2 Well, that's it! I'm not hiring them!

Posted by: Joe Marier at September 22, 2008 11:58 AM (dr1s2)

3 Kick em down low.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at September 22, 2008 11:58 AM (nFW7O)

4

They're a crisis communications firm. And they've had 12 hours to figure out their story. But they apparently haven't come up with a good one yet.

This is the part that cracks me up.  Physician, heal thyself.  To be fair, its possible that part of succesful crisis management is sheer disinterested chutzpah, aided by the lie repeated often enough.  The former is apparently out once they're the ones on the hook, and the latter is hampered by what's already on the record and the necessity of covering for their beneficiary.  I still find it hilarious.

Posted by: Saladman at September 22, 2008 11:59 AM (+BoDD)

5 That's what I said.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 22, 2008 12:00 PM (Q1lie)

6 May be he meant: "I'll get have to get back to you on that. If I still have a job, then the answer is no, if they fire me, then the answer is yes."

Posted by: mpur at September 22, 2008 12:03 PM (HdciP)

7 My guess is that all that "internet stuff" got farmed out to the idiot son of the Winner Clan, and the young Master Winner is too busy shitting his pants to talk his way out of this one. 

Posted by: Phinn at September 22, 2008 12:04 PM (NLtoU)

8 "I'll have to get back to you as soon as I can"

Let's hope he never mans a Suicide hotline.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 22, 2008 12:05 PM (/FUhT)

9 What are the chances these sleazebags get prosecuted for election law violations?

Slim ____
None ____

Posted by: Reiver at September 22, 2008 12:05 PM (lcnlv)

10 The sticking point is the Obama campaign gave it to them and the Obama camp paid for the ad. They are probably trying to find some production stooge to say he made the ad and gave it to them independently, but the womans voice is the give away.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 22, 2008 12:06 PM (KoJZf)

11

Shorts.  Caught.  Down.  In public.  12 Noon. 

Some assembly and ignorance of intertubes required.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 22, 2008 12:06 PM (B+qrE)

12 I'm sure he's innocent. It's just that he was, uh, eating his donut. And it was a very good donut, and, uh, he didn't want to be interrupted. I know it takes me a long time to eat a real good donut. Like a day. Maybe even two.

Posted by: Keljeck at September 22, 2008 12:07 PM (/tGrL)

13 Anyone know a good attorney?

Posted by: Liu-Klein at September 22, 2008 12:08 PM (1WKq7)

14 What an inappropriate family name! Heh.

Posted by: Rasputin at September 22, 2008 12:11 PM (Z5vhr)

15 Drop kick me Teleprompter Jesus through the sock puppets of life.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 22, 2008 12:11 PM (4ZOxD)

16 I'm sure you've already noticed, but Kos (actual Kos, not a co-blogger) has posted that smear ad on Palin about hating women who get raped. Right about... here.

Posted by: Incurable at September 22, 2008 12:12 PM (aRRWd)

17 This is far more delicious than I had hoped.  I still don't have any high hopes for this breaking out very far in the media (although if NR or Weekly Standard manage to get a Drudge link out of it, all bets are off)  But just watching the bastards squirm is... pleasing.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at September 22, 2008 12:13 PM (hX2rY)

18 "Drop kick me Teleprompter Jesus through the sock puppets of life."

Damn.  I have to replace my keyboard.

Posted by: Reiver at September 22, 2008 12:13 PM (lcnlv)

19 He also links to an interview with the chair of the Alaska Independence Party.

Posted by: Incurable at September 22, 2008 12:14 PM (aRRWd)

20 How hard can a yes/no question be? Of all the possible answers:

Yes, I posted it.
Yeah. What the fuck are you gonna do about it, bitch?
No, I didn't post it.
FYNQ
I'll have to get back to you as soon as I can
No, I didn't post it, and I don't know who did.
Sorry, wrong number!
'click'

Liu-Klein seems to have picked the douchiest one.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 22, 2008 12:14 PM (Ds4I5)

21 I was going to say, well, maybe this dude is just some lackey, but then the part about them being, ya know, a freaking crisis management firm and needing some time to get back to you, uh, no.

Posted by: ECM at September 22, 2008 12:15 PM (q3V+C)

22 Isn't the guy a lawyer. You can never get a yes or no from them.

Posted by: mrcaniac at September 22, 2008 12:15 PM (Rbulg)

23

9 What are the chances these sleazebags get prosecuted for election law violations?

Slim ____
None ____

I'll take "None" for 500, Alex.

 

Posted by: thirteen28 at September 22, 2008 12:15 PM (s8N54)

24

Return with us now to those wonderful days of  Bubba 'n Piaps ....

The Losers aren't stalling .... They're " assembling their answers"

Not just that, but the guys name is Liu-Klein .... how inclusive !

I truly marvel at the diversity of the Left ... they have midget socialists, black socialists, one-eyed lesbo socialists, MEChA socialists, fistin' socialists, and Asian-American lying SOS spineless web-dweeb socialists

Dope ! .... spare Change ! .... Ministry of Fake Web "narratives"

 

Posted by: OhioDude at September 22, 2008 12:17 PM (V5Lcu)

25 I probably did it. Yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Internet Gremlin at September 22, 2008 12:20 PM (bgelV)

26 This was flagged for removal off craigslist


Voice over for Obama support adSep 20, 2008 ... We are seeking animated voice over talent (Spanish and English) to read for online ads that support Obama's change. ...
losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tlg/848367991.html - Similar pages - Note this

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 22, 2008 12:21 PM (KoJZf)

27

I may be of thome aththithtanth in cathe there ith a thudden crithith!

Posted by: Biggus Dickus-Klein at September 22, 2008 12:24 PM (x5Hut)

28 Terrific.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 22, 2008 12:24 PM (h0aKI)

29 They're a crisis communications firm.

And they're described as one of the top PR firms in the world and ultra-internet savvy and all that.

And yet they didn't even do some minimal due diligence in masking their own monikers on the internet. It's very odd. You'd think guys that were going to pull this sort of skulduggery would at least go to the trouble of coming up with better monikers than "eswinner".

I mean come on. Didn't Obama's money buy him more competence than that?

Posted by: Uberblick at September 22, 2008 12:25 PM (lRRht)

30 Hey Ace, wanna get more traffic on this? Post it with the words "Lindsey Lohan" "lesbian" and "orgy" somehow worked into the title:

"Liu-Klien on the orgy of videos of a person that lesbian Lindsey Lohan once commented on."

Posted by: FormerHostage at September 22, 2008 12:26 PM (Xm4xl)

31 This was bound to get better once Kos started banishing things to that Um, What? memory gulag of his.

Posted by: sdkruiser at September 22, 2008 12:27 PM (KtmCv)

32

I wonder what the traffic is like at Jawa?

Heck, I wonder what it is currently at here at Ace's.

 

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 22, 2008 12:28 PM (8nB5X)

33 What a friggin douche.  Even I (a lawyer for the record- mrcaniac) can answer a simple yes or no question.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 22, 2008 12:28 PM (G7TZh)

34

Is this video that has your fingerprints all over it and was sent from your long-standing account that everybody acknowledges was yours and you've used before, and it's clearly yours, is that yours? Did you do that thing we have video of you doing?

"Um, I'll have to get back to you on that."

I suppose that's slightly less incriminating than: "I plead the fifth."

Sheesh. I can't believe more of the big guns haven't picked up on this yet. Well, we'll wait. I bet they will.

Posted by: Dr. Medical at September 22, 2008 12:29 PM (jQS9X)

35 President Obama had nothing to do with this smear, and He certainly didn't order me to hire someone to produce videos of this smear, and He definitely didn't pay for it with campaign funds, and you really should bow down before Him and thank Him for His embodiment of hope and change.

Posted by: Absolutely not David Axelrod at September 22, 2008 12:30 PM (VmtE9)

36

Thy Lord is not going to be pleased. Thou shalt hope his teleprompter is set to 'merciful and forgiving' and not 'Facky Mar and Froddie Mur' when He hears this.

Posted by: El Kabong at September 22, 2008 12:32 PM (41KxF)

37 Liu-Klein may not be involved but he sure hasn't given the response one would expect from an innocent party. Ahem. Also - The voiceover on both the Obama and Palin ads seems to have a slight Chicago/Midwestern accent - noticeable in the pronunciation of some of the "a"s. Big coincidence if it's two different people, especially since most pro voice talent scrupulously avoids regional quirks unless specifically requested.

Posted by: Hartsfeld at September 22, 2008 12:33 PM (Vi57P)

38

It's very odd. You'd think guys that were going to pull this sort of skulduggery would at least go to the trouble of coming up with better monikers than "eswinner".

There's only one plausible explanation. They weren't thinking about how it was going to look. They simply weren't thinking that the blogosphere was going to connect all the dots, because they've probably done similar things before, no better hidden, for other clients, and it's worked. This would have worked, without Ace of Spades and Jawa report and others. Just as Rathergate would have been nothing without Little Green Footballs.

Which is also the explanation for the vigorous take down and the cancelling of the accounts. Which is clearly an over-reaction. You don't over-react that way, if you have an exit strategy, or if you've thought about what you're doing. It makes them look guilty as hell, it implicates Obama in the smear--even if he has plausible deniability, the deletion of the accounts looks bad because it makes it look like there is something serious to cover-up.

Chances are, this strategy originated with Axelrod and Axelrod is generally a good strategerist and speechwriter and puppeteer, and since he is the voice of the Obama campaign, nobody wants to see Axelrod taken out and thrown under the bus by getting connected with this.

Posted by: Dr. Medical at September 22, 2008 12:34 PM (jQS9X)

39 12 I'm sure he's innocent. It's just that he was, uh, eating his donut waffle. And it was a very good donut waffle, and, uh, he didn't want to be interrupted.

I know it takes me a long time to eat a real good donut waffle. Like a day. Maybe even two.

Fixed that for ya!

Posted by: XBradTC at September 22, 2008 12:36 PM (pO3M8)

40 #16: Where? I didn't see that.

Posted by: Dianna at September 22, 2008 12:36 PM (qrFCz)

41

Heh.  I wonder if Obama knows about the Jawa report right now?  Have his people told him of this potential problem yet?

Could his last speech stumble/mumble be related?

Hope so!

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 22, 2008 12:36 PM (8nB5X)

42

Come on Mr. Liu-Klein, you have to be bold in these situations!

Did Bill Clinton say, "Sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky? I'll have to get back to you on that."

Did Dan Rather say, "Are these documents fake? I'll have to get back to you on that."

You have to be bold, pick a position, and stick to it. What makes it really easy is that the press will cover for you.

Posted by: Mike S at September 22, 2008 12:39 PM (/4imY)

43 Fucker sounds like the last "public defender" I had.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 22, 2008 12:39 PM (p9e/s)

44 A crisis communication firm that forgot about the contingency planning phase?

Bwahaha!  Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Fanny Frank & Associates at September 22, 2008 12:40 PM (UU4Hu)

45 Most likely it never occurred to the PR flaks that anyone would call them on it.  I mean, they never got caught all those other times...

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 22, 2008 12:42 PM (ltwze)

46 @40: This is the link. The interview with the AIP guy is past the Sullivan nonsense and the video is below that.

Posted by: Incurable at September 22, 2008 12:42 PM (aRRWd)

47

Hell, by catching this, the left has been put on notice that we're looking for this, and if we can make this big time national news and a scandal, that is awesome, but that is extra.

Posted by: Lee at September 22, 2008 12:43 PM (TxTIh)

48 nobody wants to see Axelrod taken out and thrown under the bus by getting connected with this.

So how does the corpus get divvied up for wall mounting? Rusty gets the head, Ace gets the pelt? I'm late to the party so I'm not sure how much of this belongs to King Moron.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 22, 2008 12:49 PM (Ds4I5)

49

When will someone in the MSM finally get some guts and start picking up on this? FOX? 

Posted by: Joe NYC at September 22, 2008 12:49 PM (zZxT6)

50 And they're described as one of the top PR firms in the world and ultra-internet savvy and all that

By whom? It's not surprising a PR firm would describe itself as "one of the top PR firms in the world". In fact, it would be surprising if they didn't.  I'm wondering if PR is one of those fields, like "business consulting", where nobody can tell if you're incompetent.  Management feels like it's on top of things because they brought in "hired guns", but they're not really sure what you do.

Posted by: Ace's liver at September 22, 2008 12:50 PM (XIXhw)

51 33 What a friggin douche.  Even I (a lawyer for the record- mrcaniac) can answer a simple yes or no question.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 22, 2008 05:28 PM (G7TZh)

I've always noticed when it's on my dime, there are no yes or no answers, but when it's on their dime, it's nothing but yes or no.

Posted by: mrcaniac at September 22, 2008 12:52 PM (Rbulg)

52 The other smear going around that I noticed is that McCain caused the Forrestal fire in 67. I'm pretty sure the folks putting it up are just the usual collection of cranks and truthers, but it makes me ill.

Posted by: XBradTC at September 22, 2008 12:52 PM (pO3M8)

53 I'll get back to you?  Not very INYOURFACE.  This guy just isn't in the loop.

Posted by: dmoss at September 22, 2008 12:55 PM (z17GE)

54 The other smear going around that I noticed is that McCain caused the Forrestal fire in 67. I'm pretty sure the folks putting it up are just the usual collection of cranks and truthers, but it makes me ill.

Well, sure. If McCain hadn't parked his A4 in that spot on the flight deck, the errant Zuni rocket would have harmlessly flown out to sea.

/sarc

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 22, 2008 12:59 PM (Ds4I5)

55 "but the womans voice is the give away."

I dunno.  I hope you're right and I hope it's provable and I hope it blows up in the Democrites' faces and sinks Obambi's candidacy, sinks it real good, but ...
that voice is pretty much the exact same woman-voice that seems to be in EVERY political spot for every candidate, every election.  Sometimes it seems like there's only about two voice-over artists doing ALL the political spots, for both sides.  There's William Windom as "Aging Concerned Guy," and there's this chick as "Insidious Insinuating Bitch," and maybe one or two others. 
    So yeah, it's evidence, but not quite damning evidence.

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at September 22, 2008 01:27 PM (tUhSq)

56 I'm sure you've already noticed, but Kos (actual Kos, not a co-blogger) has posted that smear ad on Palin about hating women who get raped. That's been debunked for what a week now? I'll to remember that the next time the kossak at work tries to say the the DailyKos corrects errors quickly.

Posted by: Mark at September 22, 2008 01:27 PM (/9jiG)

57 32/ "I wonder what the traffic is like at Jawa?

Heck, I wonder what it is currently at here at Ace's."

About an hour ago, I had hard time getting logged on.  Looks t'me like traffic's spiking real big.

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at September 22, 2008 01:32 PM (tUhSq)

58 Ha. I am reminded of an old episode of Hercules where Sorbo picks up one of the ruffians by his throat and has just failed to kill him and says "you don't have a back-up plan, do you?" just before smacking him. I thought it was an hilarious line.  Kind of like Liu-Klein here.

Sorbo catches the same guy later on in the episode and says, "still don't have a back-up plan, I see" and wallops him again.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 22, 2008 01:32 PM (FO+YO)

59 9 What are the chances these sleazebags get prosecuted for election law violations?

Slim ____
None ____


NONE

this is going nowhere, just like all other obamagates

Posted by: don erico at September 22, 2008 01:38 PM (sDDDA)

60 I wonder if Liu-Klein realizes that as the lowest man on the totem poll here, he's the obvious fall-guy: "We regret an overly eager employee decided to hijack our YouTube accounts for his own unauthorized political purposes..."

If this story grows any legs at all, this is probably going to turn out to be correct. And then he'll rat out others. And it will turn into a big f'n scandal with resignations and trials and jail time. And the Obama campaign will be ruined.

And then later on, monkeys will come flying out of my butt.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 22, 2008 01:40 PM (FO+YO)

61 this is going nowhere, just like all other obamagates

Hate to see Shackleford's excellent reporting go to waste, but you're absolutely right.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 22, 2008 01:43 PM (FO+YO)

62 "you don't have a back-up plan, do you?"

Lie-Klein has the usual backup plan - "do you want fries with that?"

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 22, 2008 01:44 PM (hzcgO)

63 If this story grows any legs at all, this is probably going to turn out to be correct. And then he'll rat out others. And it will turn into a big f'n scandal with resignations and trials and jail time. And the Obama campaign will be ruined.

And then later on, monkeys will come flying out of my butt.




Posted by: don erico at September 22, 2008 02:00 PM (sDDDA)

64 #60, too bad for Dan Rather that Little Green Footballs did not share your brand of pessimism.

Posted by: DCox at September 22, 2008 02:07 PM (2pT9a)

65 Look on the bright side, Liu-Klein.  You're going to be in history books.  In the same chapter as E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy.

Posted by: David Astroturf at September 22, 2008 02:08 PM (/mVOU)

66

Anyone know a good attorney?

Don't you mean a skilled attorney. Since attorney's sell their souls to Satan I don't think they can actually be good.

Posted by: Aaron at September 22, 2008 02:24 PM (NMlyI)

67

#64, in #60's defense, recall that Dan Rather tried to sell baldfaced lies on national TV, and when called on it, kept digging...on national TV.

Recall also that journalists have the morals of a pack of jackals: the only thing better than taking down a Republican is taking down a competing journalist.  There was a bit of a positive feedback loop going on with the Rathergate thing.

I think Ace's original promotion of this story, i.e. that it was of "medium" interest, still holds.

This isn't the 1,000 pound bomb that takes out the Akagi, though it might be part of the sporadic series of attacks that keeps Obama too busy playing defense to notice the descending 1,000 pound bomb while he can still do anything about.

We shall see.

 

Posted by: Red stain on the wall at AoSHQ at September 22, 2008 02:43 PM (wgLRl)

68 If this were all a bad StarTrek episode, Liu-Klein would be the fourth person that had just transported to the planet....They always met a horrible fate!

Posted by: Shoebox at September 22, 2008 02:59 PM (8Y2iA)

69

This guy's dad is chairman of the California Public Utilities Commission.  His mom is running for state senate and has taken money from 5 companies that his dad regulates.  His dad can break 'em or turn on the faucets of cash.

The kid is in the tank for Obama.

Just coincidences, all.

Posted by: Whitehall at September 22, 2008 03:11 PM (htrmr)

70 Oh, yea.  Maybe that's why my electric rates here in NorCal are THREE TIMES Al Gore's back in Nashville.

Posted by: Whitehall at September 22, 2008 03:12 PM (htrmr)

71 By whom? It's not surprising a PR firm would describe itself as "one of the top PR firms in the world".

Um yeah, I came to this story late, like today, and I didn't dream that up. Its in one of the links I followed from this site. I'm sorry, I don't have time to look through all that stuff again.

I don't know what to say about this. Yes, presidential campaigns engage in bullshit. Yes, you also expect them to be minimally competent at that behavior.

The only thing shocking about this is that they got caught. THAT's the real story.

I mean, it's sort of one of the tests. If you cannot get away with this stuff in a campaign then obviously you aren't qualified to be president. These guys have committed the cardinal sin - they've indicted their own client.

Posted by: Uberblick at September 22, 2008 03:42 PM (lRRht)

72 #50-

Here you go dipshit <a href="http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php#194057">The company he works for, Winner & Associates, is one of the largest PR firms in the country and part of an even larger international conglomerate Publicis Groupe, which is, "one the world's top 10 advertising and communications firms." </a>

Obviously you didn't even bother to read the first link (Jawa) on the posts.

Posted by: Uberblick at September 22, 2008 04:00 PM (lRRht)

73 K-Lo at NRO linked to Rusty's piece early this morning. Someone noted in comments on another blog that they heard Carl Cameron on FoxNews mention it.

O'Reilly will probably being ranting about the O'Reilly premium member website getting hacked last Friday, so he may be in the mood to really cream these guys.

You already know that Hannity will turn it into a farce.

Someone needs to be combing expenditures. If I knew how, I'd start with payouts to ACORN from the Obama campaign (there was a recent one for $800,000) and then cutouts from them to the PR firm or any number of middlemen, but ultimately leading back to Axelrod.

Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) at September 22, 2008 04:47 PM (Wi/N0)

74 UPDATE:
I wrote the following comment this morning. Guess what?
Jawa's original report is gone from Meme. Just in time for people to read it after work. I rest my case.


Watch how fast this falls off the bottom of Memeorandum. I've been watching Meme for a few weeks now and it has become increasingly dominated by pro-Obama, anti-McCain, and very anti-Palin links.

Today is unusual because there is so much bailout news but if you look at http://www.memeorandum.com/lb
Meme's Leaderboard

of the top 25 links 20 (including MSM which we know is in the tank for O) are clearly left, proO/antiMP. Only three (The Corner, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin) could be construed as proMP/antiO.

Why is Meme still treated as a reliable source?

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75 I wonder if Liu-Klein realizes that as the lowest man on the totem poll here, he's the obvious fall-guy

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