February 17, 2009

What went wrong at Treasury? Indecision
— Gabriel Malor

Secretary Geithner and the President set an artificial deadline for developing a plan to deal with toxic assets dragging down the financial sector. Then after pondering the problem for months, Geithner made a radical last minute change in the proposal. Rather than setting a new deadline to go public, since his new plan was undeveloped, he went ahead and held that press conference sans details.

According to several sources involved in the deliberations, Geithner had come to the conclusion that the strategies he and his team had spent weeks working on were too expensive, too complex and too risky for taxpayers. [...]

The sharp course change was one of the key reasons why Geithner's plan -- his first major policy initiative as Treasury secretary -- landed with such a thud last Tuesday. Lawmakers, investors and analysts expressed dismay over the lack of specifics. Markets tanked, and fresh doubts arose about the hand now steering the country's financial policy. [...]

Meanwhile, the sources said, Obama's senior economic advisers were hobbled in crafting the plan by a shortage of personnel. To date, the president has not nominated any assistant secretaries or undersecretaries at the Treasury, and the handful of mid-level staffers who have started work were still finding their offices and getting their building passes and BlackBerrys.

Yes, we know how dependent the Obamatons are on their BlackBerries. So they spent weeks working on a plan without determining its feasibility and without consulting with the industry. The Secretary had a last-minute crisis of confidence and then...what? Too proud to tell the President he needs more time to develop a rescue plan? Too wedded to his artificial deadline? These decisions have real-world consequences now.

I can see why Geithner was the only man for the job. /sarc

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:27 AM | Comments (55)
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1 The thing is, no matter how much work they put into their "plan" it will still suck donkey balls. Total waste of time for such an epic fail.

Posted by: Mbruce at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (t/GDA)

2 The thing is, no matter how much work they put into their "plan" it will still suck donkey balls. Total waste of time for such an epic fail.

Posted by: Mbruce at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (t/GDA)

3 It really didn't help that his boss threw him to the wolves the day before (when he knew damn well that the plan was, at best, inchoate). And, yes, I'm blaming Obama--Geithner is just his stooge/flack absorber.

Posted by: ECM at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (q3V+C)

4 It really didn't help that his boss threw him to the wolves the day before (when he knew damn well that the plan was, at best, inchoate). And, yes, I'm blaming Obama--Geithner is just his stooge/flack absorber.

Posted by: ECM at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (q3V+C)

5

"Markets tanked..."

Yeah, but then they rebounded today, right?....

Right?....

ohhhh......

Posted by: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (WGcw3)

6

Timmy has fallen down the well... and taken the markets with him.  Lassie is riding around on Air Force One with teh Chickenlittle-in-Chief spreading the gospel of FUD across the land.

What. A. Team.

Posted by: sherlock at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (jdXw+)

7

"Markets tanked..."

Yeah, but then they rebounded today, right?....

Right?....

ohhhh......

Posted by: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (WGcw3)

8

Timmy has fallen down the well... and taken the markets with him.  Lassie is riding around on Air Force One with teh Chickenlittle-in-Chief spreading the gospel of FUD across the land.

What. A. Team.

Posted by: sherlock at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (jdXw+)

9 I have more confidence in the ground hog's (from Groundhogs Day) driving than I do these guys trying to steer the economy.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at February 17, 2009 06:34 AM (TC4J/)

10 I have more confidence in the ground hog's (from Groundhogs Day) driving than I do these guys trying to steer the economy.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at February 17, 2009 06:34 AM (TC4J/)

11 Irony alert:  Obama now advocating a version of what McCain proposed in the election, the MFI Trust.  Of Course, Obama demonized that idea at the time, adn the media of course can't remember.

Posted by: G at February 17, 2009 06:39 AM (5r0Tz)

12 Irony alert:  Obama now advocating a version of what McCain proposed in the election, the MFI Trust.  Of Course, Obama demonized that idea at the time, adn the media of course can't remember.

Posted by: G at February 17, 2009 06:39 AM (5r0Tz)

13

Thanks for the "sarcasm tag deal", it really helped.

Posted by: R. Ziskey at February 17, 2009 06:48 AM (LlaBi)

14

Thanks for the "sarcasm tag deal", it really helped.

Posted by: R. Ziskey at February 17, 2009 06:48 AM (LlaBi)

15 Well, anybody who can't use TurboTax is a fucking idiot in the first place!   I'm a moron, and even I used it this year. 

Maybe Zer0's doing the "clown car" thing - how many clowns can he fit into his cabinet?

Posted by: THeREsaD at February 17, 2009 06:49 AM (MO2LE)

16 Well, anybody who can't use TurboTax is a fucking idiot in the first place!   I'm a moron, and even I used it this year. 

Maybe Zer0's doing the "clown car" thing - how many clowns can he fit into his cabinet?

Posted by: THeREsaD at February 17, 2009 06:49 AM (MO2LE)

17 I'm so sorry I bothered to invest for retirement. I can't be the only one out there. Think what this will mean for the economy... who out of the millions entering their career lives will bother to invest for the future in equities, when the GOP spent like drunken sailors, the Dims spend like a dozen drunken sailors, the Messiah appoints Howdy Doody to Treasury, and the S&P loses half its value in six months? I so regret investing in anything that wasn't secure, and given that millions must feel the same way, how will this market ever recover? Raising capital for large business is going to be virtually impossible for perhaps decade. Unless you get Benito Hussein Obastard, Il Duce, to give you taxpayers' cash in return for gubmint "oversight." Fascism, here we come.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (v6gTb)

18 I'm so sorry I bothered to invest for retirement. I can't be the only one out there. Think what this will mean for the economy... who out of the millions entering their career lives will bother to invest for the future in equities, when the GOP spent like drunken sailors, the Dims spend like a dozen drunken sailors, the Messiah appoints Howdy Doody to Treasury, and the S&P loses half its value in six months? I so regret investing in anything that wasn't secure, and given that millions must feel the same way, how will this market ever recover? Raising capital for large business is going to be virtually impossible for perhaps decade. Unless you get Benito Hussein Obastard, Il Duce, to give you taxpayers' cash in return for gubmint "oversight." Fascism, here we come.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (v6gTb)

19 There is no way to "detoxify" bad assets.  Bad collateral is bad collateral where the risk-taker loses.  Treasury can only make it worse.

Socialists want to manage risk by denying it.

Posted by: Old Sailor at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (/Ft4q)

20
OT, someone tell Donald Trump...

You're Fired!

Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 07:09 AM (7AD1r)

21 Lordy me, how did the Treasury Dept. ever function without BlackBerrys?

No Deputy or Undersecretaries appointed?  Best Transition EVAR!

Posted by: Techie at February 17, 2009 07:10 AM (906oR)

22 I loved the fact that they didn't want to fail the same way as the Bush Administration did with the origianl TARP. They chose to fail in an entirely new way.

Posted by: Roy at February 17, 2009 07:10 AM (cB77O)

23 Sounds like the same process Geithner went through filing his taxes.

Posted by: Tim at February 17, 2009 07:15 AM (3Wewy)

24 These people have invented a new level of teh STUPID.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2009 07:19 AM (f6os6)

25 Didn't Obama say he would change the world? 

The Obamassiah will raise his Marxist kingdom out of the ashes ... he just has to do a little more burning first ...

Posted by: bill at February 17, 2009 07:21 AM (yXtKX)

26 Why, it's almost as if Obama has no executive experience at all.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 07:21 AM (sI5Ho)

27

None of this matters.  Bush will still be the fall guy.  It will never be Obama's fault.

Posted by: outraged at February 17, 2009 07:21 AM (penCf)

28 #9: Mr. Orwell, people will start buying stocks when the prices get low enough. Right now, the thing to own is hard assets like gold, and yes, real estate.  When the inflation hits, people who own things will win big, while people who own promises will lose.  The stock market will go up, but not like gold or real estate, which track the value of the dollar inversely. 

#10: Detoxifying these bad assets by having the government purchase them is so insane it makes me want to pull out my internal organs and throw them at someone. They know that we're in this mess because of artificially raised real estate prices caused by government promises to purchase risky investment.  Now they are doubling down on the bubble, after the bubble has burst.  "Bring back the champagne! We were happy when we had champagne!"

You can't fool economics.  People who can't afford their mortgage should find a cheaper place to live, even if that means (*gasp*) renting.  It costs more to own a home than just the mortgage, and the difference makes home ownership more expensive than renting.  People on the margin of home ownership are usually better off financially if they rent their dwelling and put the money they would have spent on associated homeowner bills into the bank. 


Posted by: Loren Heal at February 17, 2009 07:23 AM (1/FwS)

29 DOW currently down 273 points.@ 7,570

Wall St. loves it some Stimulus and TARP II.

Posted by: Techie at February 17, 2009 07:31 AM (906oR)

30 http://tinyurl.com/bmpdqb

Posted by: Obama's Elf at February 17, 2009 07:32 AM (IDAhw)

31 Compare and contrast.

Bush, busy operating as Governor of a large and dynamic state had a historically abbreviated transition with all sorts of animus and legal distraction when he beat ManBearPig. Team Bush really didn't miss a beat and then he had to handle 9/11 very shortly thereafter. They managed.

Obama had a clean path with zero real Senatorial obligations for about a year and a half other than to be "present," was loaded with campaign cash so he could coast for weeks at a time, had a media that covered for him saving him campaign money and embarrassment against a very weak Republican (except when Palin provided a challenge), and had months to prepare for his transition into the Oval Office. Team Obama has been one debacle, lie, flip-flop, and personnel failure after another.

The difference could not be more stark. Bush the "idiot" is a human supercomputer and administrator extraordinaire compared to Teleprompter Jesus.

Do you think enough voters are noticing? Unfortunately, I think not. Yet anyway.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 07:34 AM (sI5Ho)

32
This seems to be the typical Obama program model:

1 - Announce "We have a new plan that will make everything all better."

2 - ???????

3 - Everything is all better.

Posted by: Ronsonic at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (ywSvi)

33 Dow below 7,600 a 2,000 point drop in the first month of his Presidency, yet the media isn't bashing Obama? Bush couldn't have a 50 point drop without some pundit calling for his resignation in the last few months of his second term.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 17, 2009 07:47 AM (SMD8k)

34

didn't george costanza perfect the art of appearing to look as though he were working by adopting a furrowed brow and huffing a bit.  I'm just saying obama looks soulfully at the camera while having a serious look but actually doing nothing-not that I'm comparing the two.

Posted by: ed at February 17, 2009 07:49 AM (Urhve)

35

Obama and Geithner are trying to tell us they're planning a wedding -- first, the date is set, then help is enlisted, and input is weighed; then the details are considered and reconsidered and finally planned in detail; it'll be expensive, and some of the guests from both sides of the church's aisle will get obnoxious at the reception; but no one's going to stand up to object on the big day.

But they're really planning a bachelor party -- everything's a big secret, despite all the claims to keep the principals in the loop; then SURPRIZE! the girl comes out of the cake and she's not that good looking; and by the way the beer is warm. This party sucks.

Posted by: FireHorse at February 17, 2009 07:50 AM (5KNeJ)

36 Sweet effing Lord, considering the stimulus and TARP, what was the original plan that even the Obomanations thought was too risky???

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at February 17, 2009 07:52 AM (8cihe)

37 Rewarding banks and their shareholders for failure is  a tricky business.

Posted by: andros at February 17, 2009 07:56 AM (k39jK)

38

Remember when we used to tell the Japanese to do the quick band-aid rip and let the huge crappy banks fail...immediately?

Has anyone noticed the vast majority of the medium and small banks are just fine?

There is a lesson here.  If I could just put my finger on it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2009 08:01 AM (B+qrE)

39 This is what happens when a country is totally without leadership. Grant it I don't like Obama's politics, so his leadership would be in a direction I wouldn't approve of, but almost anything is better than this. HE IS NO LEADER. Now we basically have presidents Pelosi and Reid. Balance of power only works when we have  branches jealously defending their turf. This guy would rather campaign...

Posted by: Alex at February 17, 2009 08:04 AM (Tr7vq)

40 If I were Geithner, I'd quit. "Fuck you, I'm not taking the blame for this". One good public humiliation deserves another.

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 17, 2009 08:05 AM (EsBr1)

41 Thank God we still have some funds in Treasuries and CDs. But those of us who left funds in equities, trying not to panic, should have in retrospect. I marvel at the Pollyanna attitudes of some conservatives, that this will just be a plain recession and things will come roaring back. When the last locomotive left pulling the train runs out of diesel, what happens to the train?

Posted by: George Orwell at February 17, 2009 08:11 AM (v6gTb)

42 hmm, I can't remember anyone ever pointing out that he had never been a leader in his career,  I know I never pointed out that he did whatever he was told to do in the Illinois Senate by Emil Jones, a standard dirty politician out of Chicago, non-harvard grad, IQ below 100.

Posted by: ed at February 17, 2009 08:15 AM (Urhve)

43 my bet is MSM doesn't link the market plunge to TARP or the porkulus package.  That might make Obambi look bad!

Posted by: who knew at February 17, 2009 08:24 AM (ZM2Vo)

44 How can one detoxify assets if Congress is STILL pushing new toxic assets??? They have YET to address what got us into this mess and they were beating up the bank execs last week for not giving out more loans! WTF Over??? Stop the bad behavior and install fixes to prevent in the future what brought us here or everything we are doing now won't mean shit. FUCK!! The GOP should be hammering it home.

Posted by: CDR M at February 17, 2009 08:34 AM (cqZXM)

45 Alex, actually the "Real" President's are Specter, Snowe and Collins.

Posted by: CDR M at February 17, 2009 08:37 AM (cqZXM)

46

I heard that Timmy wanted some feedback on his original proposal so he made it to a few congress people on Monday night and they laughed at him so he took all of the details out of the plan he presented on Tuesday.

I've also heard there are several factions in the White House all at odds with each other over what do to. Which is another reason there are different messages coming out of the administration.

You'd think a former community organizer would be better an organizing.

 

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2009 08:54 AM (1Jaio)

47

I blame Bush.

Why not? These bastards certainly will.

By the way, what makes you morons think the Dems are seeking a solution here? It gets worse and they feel immune, better and they take credit. Then raise taxes.

Posted by: Spartan Fan at February 17, 2009 09:06 AM (7365r)

48 "you don't say"--if geithner isn't really martin short doing ed grimley then i've been hoodwinked--bamboozled--he should be running a peace corps micro lending facility in chad--not the u.s. treasury--why the bamster didn't pick larry summers for treaury i'll never know--oh that's right--summers fired cornell "da hip hop perfesser" west and wondered out loud why marie curie is the only scientific genius with a pussy!

Posted by: HULUGU at February 17, 2009 09:09 AM (5v0Hx)

49

my bet is MSM doesn't link the market plunge to TARP or the porkulus package.

CNBC was hitting it pretty hard this morning. It shocked the shit out of me. I expect old Belezebub is down there ice skating now.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2009 09:12 AM (f6os6)

50 I agree with Loren Heal, hard assets are where you want to be right now.  The precious metals bandwagon left the barn quite a while ago and are now pricey with delivery problems owing to scarcity (btw that's one of the reasons China can't do the gold thing).  Real estate is still low and favors anyone with excess capital (not me, dang it!).  If you lack sufficienct funds to buy a whole hunk, you could consider REITs, but that's more risky. I would not  buy treasuries right now.  Instead, I would wait until inflation/hyperinflation sets in and IF(!!!) the currency looks like it will weather the crisis intact I would buy long and lock in the high interest rates for 30yrs or until the feds buy them back.

Circa: Has anyone noticed the vast majority of the medium and small banks are just fine?

Yes, they are for the most part doing well because they did not jump into the investment banking/mortgage derivative swimming pool buck naked like Citi and BofA, et al.  I think the best/safest place to keep your nest egg would actually be in a Credit Union which is not allowed to do investment banking.  Yes, they do mostly mortgages, but they flipped all of those over to the big banks as derivatives.  I doubt they are actually holding many toxic assets.

That's my opinion, but I'm not a financial guy so follow at your own risk.

Posted by: oLD gUY at February 17, 2009 09:47 AM (n1yDn)

51

Let's all not foget that Geithner is Too Big to Fail®.

Had Obama not pimped his bailout plan so heavily in his press conference last week, Geithner could have stated that he was still working out the details and would present when he had everything ready to go.  No one would have given it a second thought.

Instead, we got the "I've got a secret plan and it's gonna be gangbusters" line.  A week later we are still waiting.

Posted by: Steve L. at February 17, 2009 10:01 AM (Gkhxf)

52 Instead, we got the "I've got a secret plan and it's gonna be gangbusters" line.  A week later we are still waiting.

Didn't Obama make the same claim about Afghanistan?  We see how well that's working.

Posted by: oLD gUY at February 17, 2009 10:05 AM (n1yDn)

53

Orwell

the GOP spent like drunken sailors, the Dims spend like a dozen drunken sailors, the Messiah appoints Howdy Doody to Treasury, and the S&P loses half its value in six months?

We are living in a parallel universe now.  We have left the Shores of Sanity, and are gliding down Rivers of Beyond, past the Gulf of Endless Sorrow, into the Land of Was.

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