June 29, 2008

Wesley Clark: McCain Doesn't Have Much Experience Besides Getting Shot Down
— DrewM

It's almost laughable that someone who is supporting Barack Obama would have the chutzpah to go after John McCain on experience and qualifications to be President but behold the modern day Democratic Party.

Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” And in saying so, he took a few swipes at McCain’s military service.

...“He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,” Clark said.

“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

As Lex points out, that's not exactly the sum total of McCain's experience.

Also, "Spook86" at In From the Cold compares McCain's hostile attitude toward his captors to Clark's rather chummy behavior with Balkan murderers and concludes...

Say what you will about his "executive experience." At least John McCain knows how to handle himself in the presence of the enemy.

As the saying goes, read the whole thing.

Wasn't it just 4 years ago that Democrats were telling America only a military veteran like John Kerry (who served in Vietnam, in case you hadn't heard) was fit to serve as POTUS? Funny how one short election later that's been modified to 'serving' as a 'community organizer and 2/3 of a term in the Senate'.

Hope. Change. Stupidity.

Posted by: DrewM at 01:06 PM | Comments (145)
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1 Gloria Steinem has already done the double reverse backflip:

2004:  Only a veteran like Kerry can handle the responsibility of sending troops into a conflict

2008:  I'm glad Hillary Clinton has never been "trained to kill".

Posted by: Techie at June 29, 2008 01:13 PM (x1hhx)

2 And Clark doesn't have much experience beyond pandering to Clinton. McCain is a champion of adversity and a long time legislator. Clark pandered his way through the Army as a White House Fellow with highly selective assignments and a favored existence.

Posted by: rplat at June 29, 2008 01:15 PM (Qrnps)

3 Clark, the dude that was fired by Bill Clinton, and supposedly almost started World War III.  Hilarious.

Posted by: Kaitian at June 29, 2008 01:42 PM (Eswh5)

4

This is going to be one of the Dem memes that we will hear from now till November (or from now till doomsday if McCain gets elected):  McCain's military service doesn't amount to very much beyond geting shot down.

They probably figure it's poetic justice after the "swiftboating" of Kerry, but they've got a big problem-there aren't any photos of Kerry doing anything heroic (in contrast to lots of photos of him being a huge douche in the "winter soldier" hearings) whereas there are lots of photos of McCain bearing his captivity gracefully, coming home after his release, even one of him being captured in the lake in Hanoi where his parachute landed.  Those images are powerful.

Bottom line-this line of attack is a loser for them.  Better that they say that McCain has a history of heroic service to our country and then move on to other issues.  This dog ain't going to hunt.

Posted by: CavMedic at June 29, 2008 02:06 PM (rYFmu)

5

Wesley "Crusher" Clark is, well, let's just say it:  a shameless cunt.

Attacks like his are based on the presumption of utter stupidity on the part of the electorate. Which is why they worry me so much, to be honest.

Posted by: Patton at June 29, 2008 02:19 PM (1cjaj)

6 Gee, McCain's military experience doesn't really stack up to the to the military qualifications that come from being a 42 year old snot who ran the Harvard law review and then went to work taking bribes from Tony Rezko.

Posted by: Nobama at June 29, 2008 02:33 PM (viv6a)

7 What's funny here is that he's defending someone with even less experience by saying McCain doesn't have enough. OK, lets say you're right, General. Doesn't that mean Senator Obama is even less qualified?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 29, 2008 03:19 PM (0+Ggj)

8

Why doesn't someone point out that Clark and his sound judgement almost started a war with Russia?

I'm going off of memory here (trust me, I'm not making this up but I don't feel like looking it up) but the story is that the Russians moved to take an airbase/airport over and Clark ordered a subordinate to attack them before they could move in. The subordinate, a brit, said something to the effect of, "I will not start World War 3 for you."

Posted by: CozMark at June 29, 2008 03:29 PM (D8t7R)

9

Rush got it right when he compared Clark to anoher favorite general of the Dems, George B. McClellan.

Posted by: Reiver at June 29, 2008 04:01 PM (hqnqf)

10 Were the Dims this horrible when they talked about Bob Dole's war record? Because I don't remember. I'm sure they were furious at him for not personally finding and killing Mussolini 5 days after he arrived in Italy.

Posted by: Dirk at June 29, 2008 04:05 PM (AJx67)

11 McCain could have flown over North Vietnam once, jumped out of an airplane, and parachuted to the ground. It still would have given him more military service, familiarity with military service, and foreign policy experience than 90% of the current democrat party. That goes double or triple for all the Leftard milquetoasts who are "bravely" sneering at the military career of a proud old man who suffered a long spread in the Hanoi Hilton, without meeting Hanoi Jane even once. Yeah, I know, some of the Obamessiah's Weather Underground and other Sixties red diaper doper baby friends still think McCain is just a sky pirate, Capitalist running dog, and baby killer. After all, we've been in a military quagmire since 1965. 
 

Posted by: exdem13 at June 29, 2008 04:24 PM (fenBi)

12

McCain landed jets on carriers. That- in and of itself- amounts to far more than Senator O has ever done and will ever do. Does that- by itself- qualify McCain for the Oval Office? No, of course not.

But it does mean he's got cojones.

McCain is not the man I wish was running but when the Dems deride him for "lack of experience" I can only snort contemptuously and wish they would share some of that smoke with me...

Posted by: Neffi at June 29, 2008 04:32 PM (3gnrK)

13

McCain knows who the enemy is.

And I hate to advocate for McClellan, but as a trainer and administrator he was second to none, really talented there, but not as a combat commender.  Can Clark claim any talent in any necessary area of the army?

Posted by: Mikey NTH at June 29, 2008 05:05 PM (TUWci)

14

Gen Wesley Clarks biggest milatary accomplishment was holding siege to the Branch Davidian compound  in Texas a few years back.  ... I guess one could say he won that battle.

Posted by: sodak at June 29, 2008 05:08 PM (ZmB6L)

15 If McCain were smart, he would demand Obama denounce this clown.

Posted by: Dirk at June 29, 2008 05:13 PM (AJx67)

16 Hmmm, didn't Bush 41 also get shot down in a fighter plane?  Is this a trend?

And actually, Bush 43 was a fighter pilot, so IF McCain gets elected, that would mean the three most recent Repub. presidents would all have been fighter pilots, two of which got shot down.

I'm just sayin', is all.

Posted by: lumpenscholar at June 29, 2008 05:25 PM (L5zbV)

17

Did I miss something?

Where the f' did Obama have executive responsibility?  Ever.  The only thing I can think of in his entire career is a year as President of the Harvard Law Review and even that was honorary position (as opposed to the Editor in Chief who actually runs the thing).

Posted by: AD at June 29, 2008 05:33 PM (rXFFP)

18

Why does Wesley Clark get to make assinine comments like this and still get invited to be on TV?  I always thought if the media didn't reward people for saying the most outrageous things then there would be fewer fools willing to open their mouths so quickly.

I don't care much for McCain but he had as stern a test of character as a man can be given while being held as a POW and he passed with flying colors.  Obama and Clark have led pampered, pedestrian lives where everything has been handed to them in response to their just mouthing the right platitudes regardless of their sincerity.  It is hard to take these people seriously.

Posted by: BenFranklin at June 29, 2008 05:33 PM (r11nM)

19 At least McCain didn't try to start World War III by telling British troops under his command to attack the Russians.

Posted by: Timothy Watson at June 29, 2008 05:33 PM (1RIcI)

20 Better a fighter pilot who was shot down than the Manchurian candidate the Obamessiah would be.

Oh, and GO NAVY!!!!

Posted by: ursula at June 29, 2008 05:33 PM (JvK/q)

21 wonder what faustus clark thinks he will be doing on the bus?

Posted by: billypaintbrush at June 29, 2008 05:44 PM (uIl2M)

22 The hell with politics.
This couldn't have been pretty:  Murder or Suicide?

Posted by: GRC at June 29, 2008 05:44 PM (HbbDz)

23 Don't worry Dirk, the way the Obamessiah usually handles controversy, Clark will get tossed under the bus some time this week, prob'ly in time for the Obamessiah to give a speech to the VFW ro something.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 29, 2008 05:51 PM (fenBi)

24

Gen. Weaselly Fuck is nothing but an embarrassment. Remember the fuckhead was actually fired from his position as NATO Commander. "Integrity and character " issues was said to be the reason. With his comments about McCain, that's not surprising

He was, in general, a total fuck up from the start. One of the first things he did was to order the Brits to actually militarily interdict the Russian forces (OUR ALLIES!!!) at the airport in Kosovo because Weaselly thought he should operate from there.

The Brits realizing what a completely dumbfuck-headed move this would be and told him to go fuck his stupid fucking self.

...and this fucking fuck has the fucking nerve to criticize McCain??

Fuck him!!

Posted by: Saul Goode at June 29, 2008 05:51 PM (0XpI7)

25

Gen. Clark should know better than to say such things.  They reveal his overall lack of judgement, taste, and dignity.  Sen. McCain is not basing his presidential run on having "ridden in a fighter plane and getting shot down".  He's spent a lifetime demonstrating his character, gaining knowledge about the world, and being a leader in Congress. 

If Sen. John Kerry's military record was enough for the Dems to demand respect for it, then I think Sen. McCain's experiences in resisting his captors certainly warrants respect.  Surviving torture for 5.5 years with his character intact trumps spending about 4 months in Vietnam and getting a few minor flesh wounds.   

Posted by: Jill at June 29, 2008 05:53 PM (Cy8mO)

26

Wesley Clark as Obamas running mate?

Cool- our first homo VP!!!

Posted by: TMF at June 29, 2008 05:55 PM (/YM8H)

27 I suppose it would be "laughable" except that at this point McCain is so far behind that it seems that nothing is going to be able to either help him or hurt him further.

Posted by: John Ryan at June 29, 2008 06:04 PM (wVVa0)

28 Calling Clark a douchebag is an insult to decent douchebags everywhere.  I'm not wild about McCain, but I have yet to see any single thing about Obama that necessarily would make him a good president.  All the things that Obama supporters crow about are typically irrelevant and/or unnecessary to the presidency.

And did Clark support the candidate in 2004 who not only "rode in a boat"  (they don't usually fall out of the sky, which is dangerous) but managed to wound himself in his own ass with his own shrapnel?

Finally, if the Dems *really* want a former military man to come out and trash McCain's military record, may I suggest John F'n Kerry.  [Who promised only four years or so ago to release his entire military record to the public.  I'm guessing McCain's record *is* public.] 

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at June 29, 2008 06:05 PM (1Sf5X)

29

Be fair, DrewM, four years is a long time in politics. Four years ago the New York Times was blowing McCain as the perfect Republican, and now he's Bushitleriraqibabykillerstein Mk.II.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2008 06:08 PM (3EcfL)

30

There are two kinds of general officers; the political assholes like Clark, McPeak, Powell and McClellan who know how to chit-chat at Washington tea parties and kiss political bootie; and the warriors like Petraeus, Schwarzkopf and Patton who kick ass and win wars.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Murph at June 29, 2008 06:09 PM (Dw2sU)

31

#11 - Saule Goode:

You took the words right out of my mouth.  Only you did it with more panache and suavity than I could ever muster.

However, just speaking for myself, FUCK Weaselly Clark very much!  What an asshat!

I, too, an not much of a fan of McCain.  But, I stand in awe of his behavior as a POW.  The reason you get shot down is that you are where the action is.  Normally, where difference is made.  You are not flying a desk and ordering the secretaries around like Clark.

I believe that we know the character of both men.  Clark does not shine in this comparison.

 

 

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Posted by: Steve at June 29, 2008 06:27 PM (Ai09f)

33 Am I allowed to use just one expletive here?

If so, I'll spend that privilege on the following:

"Wesley Clark is, without a doubt, one of the biggest dickheads that
ever walked the planet.  How he got to be a general in the US Military
will always remain a major mystery and cause for great concern to me."

Thank you.  It was well-spent.


Posted by: prairiemain at June 29, 2008 06:27 PM (DM0G/)

34

Wesley Clark. Go put on another sweater, you jug eared fucking loser, and stop campaigning for the VP slot that you won't get offered.

Guh.

Posted by: fugazi at June 29, 2008 06:29 PM (+xwT3)

35 "I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”" Who said it was? Prissy, anus-mouthed leftists always argue this way. Well, let's do it back to them. I don't think clowning around with Serbian war criminals is a qualification to become vice president. http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/008524.html I don't think being fired as commander of NATO and forced into retirement is a qualification to become vice president. http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P663

Posted by: Tom W. at June 29, 2008 06:32 PM (Jk5O/)

36 Goddammit, what happened to the spaces in my last post?

Posted by: Tom W. at June 29, 2008 06:32 PM (Jk5O/)

37 Indeed, the argument is self defeating. If we look at the executive ability of Sen. McCain, it IS thin. So we look to his opponent, Sen. Obama. Well, he was a community organizer. Let’s just turn the country over to HIM!
If Gen. Clark is that stupid (all evidence points that way), how in the hell did he rise to prominence in the service?

Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 06:39 PM (pSXbN)

38

Can anyone post a link about Clark's orders to the Brits?

In the meantime, between Clark and Tony McPeak, Obambi sure knows how to surround himself with some real winners, doesn't he?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at June 29, 2008 06:40 PM (WG2sq)

39 Wesley Clark is a real piece of work. He is right up there with Murtha as a couple of characters that did not learn a thing in their entire service in the military. Both of them must have been road since day one.

Posted by: Harry at June 29, 2008 06:40 PM (+AOPZ)

40 OT...

Drudge is teasing that the NYT is apparently about to commit treason.

The newspaper is planning to expose a 'highly classified Pentagon order' authorizing Special Operations forces to hunt al-Qaida leader in mountains of Pakistan...

No link to a story yet.  I am sure al-Qaida and the Pakistani government are eagerly awaiting the Times to deliver this information to them. Though in reality, I'm guessing the Times delivers advanced copies of this type of stories to their many friends in the "terrorist community".

Posted by: DrewM at June 29, 2008 06:43 PM (hlYel)

41 If you had to choose the two most despised 4-stars in the last 20 years, I'd be willing to bet that Clark and McPeak would win. There may be some competition, but I'm pretty sure these two clowns could snag to most points.

Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 06:44 PM (pSXbN)

42 tmi3rd,

I said: 'Do you consider I have the authority to do so?' He said: 'Of course you do, you have transfer of authority'.''

But General Clark's plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For's British commander.

"I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.

General Jackson tells the BBC: ''We were [looking at] a possibility....of confrontation with the Russian contingent which seemed to me probably not the right way to start off a relationship with Russians who were going to become part of my command.''

Posted by: Jay at June 29, 2008 06:45 PM (r2GMD)

43 Look Clark is a douche, but lack of executive experience is a valid criticism of McCain. Senators usually aren't very good leaders - that's why I prefer governors or mayors.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2008 06:49 PM (a0AHF)

44 Better a fighter pilot who was shot down than the Manchurian candidate the Obamessiah would be.

Funny... he doesn't look Chinese.

Posted by: krakatoa at June 29, 2008 06:52 PM (oWDKi)

45 Look Clark is a douche, but lack of executive experience is a valid criticism of McCain.

Not from a guy in Obama's corner.  That's just self-parody.

Someone should ask Clarke if JFK was unqualified (actually, against Nixon, there's a case to be made).

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at June 29, 2008 06:54 PM (d6E6+)

46

Thanks, Jay- I appreciate it!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at June 29, 2008 06:54 PM (WG2sq)

47 Clark was the valedictorian of his class at West Point among his many medals was the Silver Star which he received after being shot 4 times with an AK 47

Posted by: John Ryan at June 29, 2008 07:01 PM (TcoRJ)

48 First, I'm not a McCain fan. At all. Having said that, it's pretty comical to hear Clark give an opinion as an evaluator of (1) executive experience on (2) who exercises reasonable judgment. To the former, has he ever met Mr. Obama; and to the latter, has he looked in the mirror?

The Campaign of Hope and Change (aka Cardboard Cutout '0 has pulled the ol' Absolute Moral Authority card out of the dusty, political hat and assigned Clark the task of questioning McCain's record. Hillary couldn't. Barack certainly couldn't and can't (though he would have the domestic terrorist bona fides should it ever be needed). Barack surely doesn't want Jon Cary to be the front man now, either. And I guess Colin Powell has decided to sit this round out, so far, so no love from him. The cupboard is pretty thin. Ergo, hello Wes.

The more things change, the more things stay the same... now with AMA sprinkles.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 29, 2008 07:05 PM (sI5Ho)

49

Look, Clark is playing the attack dog here, knowing that Obama may want to pick someone for veep associated with the Clintons to appease Hillary supporters.

While in normal people language he appears to be merely a retard criticizing McCain on his war record, in Obama camp language, what he is saying roughly translates into, "I can be mean. I can be your attack dog. Oooh, oooh. Pick me. Pick me. Pick me."

Kinda like a dog whistle.

Posted by: Lee at June 29, 2008 07:05 PM (HCy0N)

50 This just doesn't make any sense. Madonna adores that man and we all know what a good man picker she is.

Posted by: pajama momma at June 29, 2008 07:05 PM (f3xJa)

51 Maetenloch, I tend to agree with you, but if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?
Like it or not, the next President of the United States is going to come from the current Senate.
Neither candidate has great executive experience, but at least McCain has other experience.
That Clark would pursue such a politically stupid, self defeating line of attack explains why he tanked as a Presidential candidate himself.

Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 07:08 PM (Kyg7y)

52 Re: Cardboard Cutout '0

Heh. Emoticon infiltration. I though the new blog locked them all up and was waiting for the OK to torture them into submission. It should have read "Cardboard Cutout '08," but I like the new effect. Effective immediately, our strategizing committee has decided that going forward, all references to Cardboard Cutout '08 will indeed be replaced with Cardboard Cutout '0 . It's 57.0% more effective in communicating our message, especially toward the "MTV" and "braindead" demographics on which we are increasingly dependent.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 29, 2008 07:16 PM (sI5Ho)

53 Clark and his mouth should be reason enough to bring dueling back into the main stream. Stinky is up there too.

Posted by: RWB at June 29, 2008 07:16 PM (FxN+1)

54 And that justifies his idiotic and inexcusable smear of McCain how, precisely?

Posted by: Patton at June 29, 2008 07:38 PM (1cjaj)

55 In my opinion, you is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is.


Posted by: cranky-d at June 29, 2008 07:54 PM (kt4mn)

56 Let's not forget that Clark was the commander ultimately in charge of the tanks and other military gear that was illegally (violation of the Posse Comitatus Act) used against the folks who burned to death at Waco.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn Hussein Qwinn at June 29, 2008 07:55 PM (MN787)

57

Thank you, cranky... I'm sure all of us reading your post agree. I sure know you does.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at June 29, 2008 07:56 PM (WG2sq)

58 Qwinn, the Army at Waco was kinda in  grey area on the PC law. The armed services can support law enforcement, but they cannot arrest. How to define support is the question.

Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 08:02 PM (Kyg7y)

59

37 Maetenloch, I tend to agree with you, but if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?

Sorry - I was posting from my phone and had to go for bevity over details.

There's no question that McCain is more experienced than Obama. My complaint is that McCain himself doesn't really have that much real executive experience. The last time he was in charge of a large number of people was when he commanded a training squadron back in the 70's which was over 30 years ago.  Since then he's only been on charge of a small group of staffers, and there are already signs that his campaign hasn't been able to scale well from being a minimal operation.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2008 08:08 PM (D7Mah)

60

  I'm not a fan of Presidential Candidate McCain, but he was a very "stand-up" guy during his half-decade forced vacation in North Vietnam.

  Hearing Wesley Fucking Clark slam him for not being a very good soldier would be like listening to Trent Dilfer complain about how Steve Young and Phil Simms were overrated and didn't really stand out during their Super Bowl wins.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 29, 2008 08:18 PM (BhHL1)

61

The Dems are amazing:

1992: Draft dodger (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter.

1996: Draft dodger (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter.

2000: War shadowing journalist (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Republican is a draft dodger

2004: Served in Vietnam (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Republican is a draft dodger and military service is the most important criterion to be President

2008: Messiah (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter, by the way, all the veteran did was get himself shot down, not real service.

Posted by: D Hussein Skinner at June 29, 2008 08:23 PM (ZK9NM)

62

wow, just wow.  So we now have a guy in the corner of a candidate with less than a full term in the US senate, one term in the state senate, and a couple of years as a "community organizer" saying that a military veteran, with numerous terms in the senate; does not have enough experience to be an effective President?

Um, Wes.........  shut the hell up.  all you are doing is making your candidate look like an incompitent moron.  actually, keep talking, let us take notes, and we'll wax that ass in November.

Posted by: todler at June 29, 2008 08:25 PM (LzZVs)

63 Patton, I'll have you know that GENERAL!!111!!! Clark stayed in a Holiday Inn Express during the times in question too.

You didn't factor that in, did you?

You feel kinda foolish now, don't you?

Admit it... John Ryan CRUSHED!!!111@!! and PWNED!!!!111 you.

Posted by: Clark's spokesman at June 29, 2008 08:25 PM (/L0pC)

64

oh yeah, and appearently I made on hell of a first impression.

Naturally, it seems to have been the wrong one, but such is my life and style.

Posted by: todler at June 29, 2008 08:26 PM (LzZVs)

65 That's not the Wesley Clark I knew

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 29, 2008 08:34 PM (PD1tk)

66 Maetenloch, I'm with ya. If I had my druthers, we'd have a different candidate. But thems the breaks, and if Clark is that dumb, I don't see any reason not to hammer him for it. 

Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 08:35 PM (Kyg7y)

67 Wesley Clark...still an complete and utter douchebag with an unending love for the sound of his own voice.  He's a perfect fit for the Obama cult campaign.

Posted by: Dave J at June 29, 2008 08:37 PM (YIpcR)

68

Crap, must read all blog posts in order.  That you trick is pretty funny.  but damn if I don't feel a bit sheepish right now.

 

*will someone get the Welsh fellow away from me?*

Posted by: todler at June 29, 2008 08:37 PM (LzZVs)

69 Incidently, one of McCains fellow aviators has just been identified. Head over to SteelJaws and read the article. The Oriskany had one of the most trying deployments of any carrier.

Be sure to go down and look at all the other guys who got shot down.


Posted by: XBradTC at June 29, 2008 08:38 PM (Kyg7y)

70 Haha, Todler fell for it.  That's not a [ you ] trick, I actually used your name, Tod'.

This script feature is going to make things difficult around here.  Especially when everyone forgets about it for a while, then, BAM!  It's how dare you, sir all over again.

Posted by: Z Ryan at June 29, 2008 08:45 PM (PDeVA)

71 I actually saw this interview this morning (it was an accident - I was needing a VuR Bloody Mary), and if it were not for the significant downrange impact, my TV would have been full of .40 cal. holes.

The interview with Wussley Clark came right after one with Joe Lieberman, you know, the conservative McCain supporter. Balance.

Even Bob Schieffer called Clark out on the fact that even if what he was saying about McCain was true, Obama had even less of whatever it was that he was saying McCain lacked. What a dickhead.

Posted by: Andy at June 29, 2008 08:48 PM (23Gys)

72 "In my opinion, qrstuv is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is."

Um, OK.

Posted by: qrstuv at June 29, 2008 08:55 PM (7r9wx)

73 I'm starting to get a little sympathetic with 'ol Wes...

Posted by: Spartan Fan at June 29, 2008 08:56 PM (7365r)

74 WTF is up with the character encoding in DrewM's posts on the new site with FF3? All the quote marks and shit show up as boxes.

Posted by: morbo at June 29, 2008 08:57 PM (SpNCP)

75

60 "In my opinion, qrstuv is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is."

Um, OK.

Heh. Another victim of the cookie tag trick.

ok, ok, I was fooled for a moment too.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 29, 2008 09:04 PM (D7Mah)

76 If you've got Bob Schieffer calling you a dick..........



you might be a dick.

Just sayin', yo.

Posted by: XBradHusseinTC at June 29, 2008 09:04 PM (Kyg7y)

77 Where the f' did Obama have executive responsibility?  Ever.

Running corrupt organizations requires a lot of executive responsibility.  Ask Al Capone.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 29, 2008 09:06 PM (dcqty)

78

At least John McCain knows how to handle himself in the presence of the enemy.

Unfortunately, McCain thinks WE are the enemy.

Posted by: The Band at June 29, 2008 09:19 PM (H2ikU)

79 Cookie Tag shit gotta go, bro.

Posted by: Spartan Fan at June 29, 2008 09:28 PM (7365r)

80 Slightly OT and late, but speaking of people who know how to handle themselves in the presence of the enemy, this weekend was the 3rd anniversary of Operation Red Wing (Lone Survivor).

I'd appreciate it if the moronosphere would join me in lifting a glass of their favorite spirits to these guys and their loved ones.

Posted by: Andy at June 29, 2008 09:30 PM (23Gys)

81 In honor of the new site, I'll comment under my own name henceforth.

Posted by: The Other McCain at June 29, 2008 09:33 PM (8G9fv)

82 .

Posted by: dddddd at June 29, 2008 09:35 PM (7365r)

83 Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

Dude.  You might not want to chuck that stone inside your pretty glass house.  I'm just saying is all.

Posted by: Sean M. at June 29, 2008 09:43 PM (e6v7s)

84 With the exception of getting turned into swiss cheese by the Viet Cong, most of Wesley's medals were earned while riding a desk.  And Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Lincoln at June 29, 2008 09:49 PM (ExJZV)

85 Anybody think you get more leadership training at Columbia than at the Naval Academy? That's before you even get to the job at hand.

Posted by: Sara at June 29, 2008 10:01 PM (Wi/N0)

86 Bob Beckel had the best line about Wesley Clark so far:

"I've just got one thing to say to Wes Clark: Shut up."

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 29, 2008 10:18 PM (8oH1E)

87 drumwaster, you beat me to it. I just saw that, and Beckel is right.

Good link, XBradTC. These creeps like Clark and McGovern and Rockefeller who mock this service really need to STFFU.

Politics aside, McCain had the chance to go back home with the Forrestal after having been in the middle of the fire and explosions, but instead volunteered to replenish the depleted squadrons of the Oriskany, and fly low level missions over a city surrounded by several rings of SAMs.

One third of the aviators from those A-4 squadrons were killed or captured that year.

But whatever--as the lefties say, he was just a bad a pilot, and deserved what he got, like all those other pilots that were shot down.


Posted by: stace at June 29, 2008 10:38 PM (JO0c/)

88 Wesley Clark = PUSSY (or as the French would say, poosay)

'nuf said!

Posted by: Eeyore's swinging sack at June 29, 2008 10:49 PM (HVzL5)

89 Clark is a smelly cunt. He'd suck his mother's dick if he could profit from it. I never served under him, but have heard that he was almost universally reviled from some that did. I can't say that I'm surprised to hear him say this. He's a blue falcon from the giddyup.

Posted by: Carl Hungus at June 29, 2008 11:53 PM (IK4dH)

90 How does Wes Clark know when his crack whore is having her period?
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His dog's dick tastes funny.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 30, 2008 12:02 AM (dcqty)

91 Test tester [Wes Clark is a douchebag] testing, 1 2 3, this thing on?

Posted by: Vercingetorix at June 30, 2008 12:12 AM (QaVQ6)

92 Blog is broken. I'm going over to DKos for a good flame war. See ya, bitches.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at June 30, 2008 12:13 AM (QaVQ6)

93 Take it easy on 'ol Wes.  He doesn't have much experience making sense.

Posted by: dprVIII at June 30, 2008 12:30 AM (4XUD3)

94

Steyn on Clark in 2003:

http://tinyurl.com/o595

And here's the Lt.-Gen. Sir Michael Jackson story (pre-9/11) from the leftist Guardian:

http://tinyurl.com/5emups

Posted by: andycanuck at June 30, 2008 12:51 AM (3EcfL)

95

@55

jeez how did i get drug into this? 

 

Posted by: chad at June 30, 2008 01:16 AM (WNcvq)

96

Earlier in the year in which LCDR McCain was shot down he was in the cockpit of his A4 Phantom when a Zuni rocket fired across the flight deck of the USS Forrestal.  The rocket did not ignite, but it did rip one of the external fuel tanks off his aircraft's wing and started the worst aircraft carrier fire since WWII.

134 Sailors died in that fire. 

 

Posted by: Grog at June 30, 2008 02:11 AM (x67YZ)

97 Weasley Cluck.

Posted by: ATNorth at June 30, 2008 02:20 AM (/HWA9)

98

The A4 is known as a Skyraider. The Phantom was designated the F4.

And your point is what exactly?

Posted by: SicSemperTyrannus at June 30, 2008 03:12 AM (cqZXM)

99 Take a close look at Wesley Clark's face. Not a line. Not a wrinkle. No crows feet. No brow furrowed by the weight of command decision there. Smooth as a baby's butt. Can't be all makeup. Seems that finally all that botox has finally affected his brain.....

Posted by: Tbird at June 30, 2008 03:42 AM (x0uO5)

100 The A4 is the Skyhawk, the Skyraider was the Douglas A1, a ginormous prop job which served in both Korea and Vietnam.

Posted by: SGT Dan at June 30, 2008 04:04 AM (YzCiM)

101 Don't expect them to know details such as plane names, what are you, some sort of fascist?

Posted by: Techie at June 30, 2008 04:19 AM (NsGcd)

102 John Ryan: "Clark was the valedictorian of his class at West Point among his many medals was the Silver Star which he received after being shot 4 times with an AK 47"

So all Clark did to get a Silver Star was get shot four times?  That takes a lot of executive experience, eh?  (See, it goes both ways.  Best not toss rocks if you live in a glass abode.)

Posted by: lumpenscholar at June 30, 2008 04:33 AM (L5zbV)

103 Actually, Monsieur Ryan, that's just silly.  Clark didn't get a silver star for getting shot.  Odds are he actually killed people, or saved someone's life at risk of his own, or something, you know, courageous.

Being a victim of something is no qualification to be a hero.  Yeah, McCain was a POW, but that's not why he's a hero.  He's a hero for showing extraordinary courage while a POW, for standing up against the monsters who tortured him and spitting in their eyes as much as he could, for being true and faithful to the Americans with him and to his country.

Posted by: lumpenscholar at June 30, 2008 04:43 AM (L5zbV)

104 For an Oxford graduate Clark is about the dumbest dip shit I've heard lately.

Posted by: rplat at June 30, 2008 04:47 AM (Qrnps)

105

mea culpa...  and you guys are correct:

LCDR McCain was in an A4 Skyhawk, the rocket launched off of an F4 Phantom.

What does Ace call this?  Loose Shit?

and what do I know... I was just a ping jockey twidget on an FFG

Posted by: Grog at June 30, 2008 05:23 AM (x67YZ)

106

"That klrtz1 trick is pretty funny. "


Todler, I demand satisfaction, Sir! Or I would if I could figure out what the hell you meant. If you meant that as a compliment then never mind.


I was pretty hard on you on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  you can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.



Posted by: klrtz1 at June 30, 2008 06:19 AM (hcx9C)

107 Military experience is relevant in two ways.  First, it gives the Pesident a better understanding of the capabilities of the military.  He may not know the exact cyclical rate of fire of a particular weapon, but he will understand what they can and cannot do.  Second, I truly believe that a veteran, especially one with combat experience, is less likely to get us into a shootin' war.  Having been through it, a President with such experience knows and understands the implications for the average soldier.

Posted by: Steve L. at June 30, 2008 06:19 AM (o0YD+)

108 As Ed Morrissey points out ..Let’s point out a few things about Barack Obama:
* In “the matter of national security policy making.” Barack Obama hasn’t ever done anything.
* In the matter of gauging your “opponents”, Obama wants to meet with them without preconditions despite having no national-security, military, or diplomatic experience.
* Barack Obama hasn’t been on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
* Barack Obama hasn’t had any executive experience.
* Barack Obama hasn’t commanded anything, in wartime or not.
* Barack Obama hasn’t dealt with diplomats in any capacity at all.
* Barack Obama hasn’t ordered the bombs to fall, although to be fair, he has associated himself with someone who has — William Ayers.I have to agree with Ed, except on one point .. for some odd reason this is left off Obama's resume, but Barack Obama has had executive experience on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where he served in one of the two major executive positions .. the other was filled by, his "neighbor," William Ayers.

Posted by: Neo at June 30, 2008 06:53 AM (Yozw9)

109 I R A Darth Aggie can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Gee, that's kind, but I think everything that can be said about that douchenozzle in a family-friendly way has been said.

All I got left is family-unfriendly words...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 30, 2008 07:54 AM (1hM1d)

110 ...if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?

I think that's the point of the attack, though. Everyone knows Obama lacks experience, and the Dems know this will become an issue in the general election. They're attempting to defuse it now by suggesting that the GOP candidate also lacks experience. If they can convince voters that both sides are deficient in this area, it becomes a non-issue.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 30, 2008 08:20 AM (PVpTQ)

111

I was pretty hard on Saul Goode on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  Saul Goode can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Why is my name constantly being brought up? WTF is going on with this new site?

Posted by: Saul Goode at June 30, 2008 08:22 AM (0XpI7)

112

@104

I think you have me confused with someone else.  While I disagree with McCain on a lot of things I have been one of his supporters on the site.   

I have taken a ton of shit for it too. 

As for Clark, he has always struck me as an oppurtunistic bastard, but so did Powell and Boorda. 

 

 

Posted by: chad at June 30, 2008 08:58 AM (WNcvq)

113

I think you have me confused with someone else.

chad-

Do you find it a tad odd that there are so many comments addressed to you? 

Just wondering.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2008 09:01 AM (VBon8)

114 The Brits realizing what a completely dumbfuck-headed move this would be and told him to go fuck his stupid fucking self.

It gets better.  After the Brits told him to kiss his ass, he tried to send in his Apache contingent to block the Russians' runway... and the colonel commanding his helicopters also refused.

When a colonel tells a multistar general to piss off, that general hgas zero command credibility.

But hey, since the Democrats have to pick between Clark and "I stole money from enlisted men" Zinni, they don't have a lot of pickings...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 30, 2008 09:26 AM (l3IrE)

115 Chad, I always hear a lot of good things about Boorda? What's the gouge on him? The medal thing was a tempest in a teapot. When he died, the sailors I knew were pretty upset. They seemed to think he had their best interests at heart. If I'm missing something, lemme know?

Posted by: XBradHusseinTC at June 30, 2008 09:34 AM (pSXbN)

116 I knew since I was 15 months old that Obama would make a great President.

Posted by: Jazz Hussein at June 30, 2008 09:54 AM (m2CN7)

117
I apologize you. I must have been thinking of someone else and my fingers just typed you by mistake. Stupid fingers. These are not the fingers I knew.

Posted by: klrtz1 at June 30, 2008 10:26 AM (hcx9C)

118 I have read somewhere (can't find that link) that while in the military, Clark had only three groups of people who didn't like him.

His subordinates, his equals, and his superiors.

Posted by: David in San Diego at June 30, 2008 10:26 AM (TPWTR)

119

I had a couple encounters with Admiral Boorda and neither was exceptionally pleasent and not in the HM1 vs Admiral way but just in the I dont really care that your subordinates are getting screwed way

 

Posted by: chad at June 30, 2008 11:12 AM (WNcvq)

120

I should say in fairness that a lot of people really liked him, and I thought Hackworth did (or was doing) a hatchet job on him regarding those medals.

Posted by: chad at June 30, 2008 11:16 AM (WNcvq)

121

@114

Alright you got me, but I don't think I reacted with outrage or started a flame war :-)

My browser cuts the page off right before that post and I didnt scroll down.

 

Posted by: chad at June 30, 2008 11:22 AM (WNcvq)

122

that squadron that he commanded was not a wartime squadron

This comment speaks volumes about what this SOB thinks of the unglamorous but vital work that goes into leading military units that aren't in battle--thanks, but your service isn't "real" service. I'll bet Clark's subordinates could tell stories...

Posted by: railwriter at June 30, 2008 11:34 AM (nwEiU)

123

I was pretty hard on railwriter on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  railwriter can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Carry on.

Posted by: railwriter at June 30, 2008 12:29 PM (nwEiU)

124 118
I apologize Saul Goode. I must have been thinking of someone else and my fingers just typed Saul Goode by mistake. Stupid fingers. These are not the fingers I knew.

Posted by: klrtz1 at June 30, 2008 10:26 AM (hcx9C)

Go fuck yourself

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125
Take note, Stinky. Nothing makes them madder than apologizing.

Posted by: klrtz1 at June 30, 2008 07:04 PM (hcx9C)

126 #30, Techie, why yes I suppose I am some sort of fascist. Go read Watch on the Rhine by John Ringo. That kind of facist.

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