1 Gloria Steinem has already done the double reverse backflip:

2004:  Only a veteran like Kerry can handle the responsibility of sending troops into a conflict

2008:  I'm glad Hillary Clinton has never been "trained to kill".

2 And Clark doesn't have much experience beyond pandering to Clinton. McCain is a champion of adversity and a long time legislator. Clark pandered his way through the Army as a White House Fellow with highly selective assignments and a favored existence.

3 Clark, the dude that was fired by Bill Clinton, and supposedly almost started World War III.  Hilarious.

4

This is going to be one of the Dem memes that we will hear from now till November (or from now till doomsday if McCain gets elected):  McCain's military service doesn't amount to very much beyond geting shot down.

They probably figure it's poetic justice after the "swiftboating" of Kerry, but they've got a big problem-there aren't any photos of Kerry doing anything heroic (in contrast to lots of photos of him being a huge douche in the "winter soldier" hearings) whereas there are lots of photos of McCain bearing his captivity gracefully, coming home after his release, even one of him being captured in the lake in Hanoi where his parachute landed.  Those images are powerful.

Bottom line-this line of attack is a loser for them.  Better that they say that McCain has a history of heroic service to our country and then move on to other issues.  This dog ain't going to hunt.

5

Wesley "Crusher" Clark is, well, let's just say it:  a shameless cunt.

Attacks like his are based on the presumption of utter stupidity on the part of the electorate. Which is why they worry me so much, to be honest.

6 Gee, McCain's military experience doesn't really stack up to the to the military qualifications that come from being a 42 year old snot who ran the Harvard law review and then went to work taking bribes from Tony Rezko.

7 What's funny here is that he's defending someone with even less experience by saying McCain doesn't have enough. OK, lets say you're right, General. Doesn't that mean Senator Obama is even less qualified?

8

Why doesn't someone point out that Clark and his sound judgement almost started a war with Russia?

I'm going off of memory here (trust me, I'm not making this up but I don't feel like looking it up) but the story is that the Russians moved to take an airbase/airport over and Clark ordered a subordinate to attack them before they could move in. The subordinate, a brit, said something to the effect of, "I will not start World War 3 for you."

9

Rush got it right when he compared Clark to anoher favorite general of the Dems, George B. McClellan.

10 Were the Dims this horrible when they talked about Bob Dole's war record? Because I don't remember. I'm sure they were furious at him for not personally finding and killing Mussolini 5 days after he arrived in Italy.

11 McCain could have flown over North Vietnam once, jumped out of an airplane, and parachuted to the ground. It still would have given him more military service, familiarity with military service, and foreign policy experience than 90% of the current democrat party. That goes double or triple for all the Leftard milquetoasts who are "bravely" sneering at the military career of a proud old man who suffered a long spread in the Hanoi Hilton, without meeting Hanoi Jane even once. Yeah, I know, some of the Obamessiah's Weather Underground and other Sixties red diaper doper baby friends still think McCain is just a sky pirate, Capitalist running dog, and baby killer. After all, we've been in a military quagmire since 1965. 
 

12

McCain landed jets on carriers. That- in and of itself- amounts to far more than Senator O has ever done and will ever do. Does that- by itself- qualify McCain for the Oval Office? No, of course not.

But it does mean he's got cojones.

McCain is not the man I wish was running but when the Dems deride him for "lack of experience" I can only snort contemptuously and wish they would share some of that smoke with me...

13

McCain knows who the enemy is.

And I hate to advocate for McClellan, but as a trainer and administrator he was second to none, really talented there, but not as a combat commender.  Can Clark claim any talent in any necessary area of the army?

14

Gen Wesley Clarks biggest milatary accomplishment was holding siege to the Branch Davidian compound  in Texas a few years back.  ... I guess one could say he won that battle.

15 If McCain were smart, he would demand Obama denounce this clown.

16 Hmmm, didn't Bush 41 also get shot down in a fighter plane?  Is this a trend?

And actually, Bush 43 was a fighter pilot, so IF McCain gets elected, that would mean the three most recent Repub. presidents would all have been fighter pilots, two of which got shot down.

I'm just sayin', is all.

17

Did I miss something?

Where the f' did Obama have executive responsibility?  Ever.  The only thing I can think of in his entire career is a year as President of the Harvard Law Review and even that was honorary position (as opposed to the Editor in Chief who actually runs the thing).

18

Why does Wesley Clark get to make assinine comments like this and still get invited to be on TV?  I always thought if the media didn't reward people for saying the most outrageous things then there would be fewer fools willing to open their mouths so quickly.

I don't care much for McCain but he had as stern a test of character as a man can be given while being held as a POW and he passed with flying colors.  Obama and Clark have led pampered, pedestrian lives where everything has been handed to them in response to their just mouthing the right platitudes regardless of their sincerity.  It is hard to take these people seriously.

19 At least McCain didn't try to start World War III by telling British troops under his command to attack the Russians.

20 Better a fighter pilot who was shot down than the Manchurian candidate the Obamessiah would be.

Oh, and GO NAVY!!!!

21 wonder what faustus clark thinks he will be doing on the bus?

22 The hell with politics.
This couldn't have been pretty:  Murder or Suicide?

23 Don't worry Dirk, the way the Obamessiah usually handles controversy, Clark will get tossed under the bus some time this week, prob'ly in time for the Obamessiah to give a speech to the VFW ro something.

24

Gen. Weaselly Fuck is nothing but an embarrassment. Remember the fuckhead was actually fired from his position as NATO Commander. "Integrity and character " issues was said to be the reason. With his comments about McCain, that's not surprising

He was, in general, a total fuck up from the start. One of the first things he did was to order the Brits to actually militarily interdict the Russian forces (OUR ALLIES!!!) at the airport in Kosovo because Weaselly thought he should operate from there.

The Brits realizing what a completely dumbfuck-headed move this would be and told him to go fuck his stupid fucking self.

...and this fucking fuck has the fucking nerve to criticize McCain??

Fuck him!!

25

Gen. Clark should know better than to say such things.  They reveal his overall lack of judgement, taste, and dignity.  Sen. McCain is not basing his presidential run on having "ridden in a fighter plane and getting shot down".  He's spent a lifetime demonstrating his character, gaining knowledge about the world, and being a leader in Congress. 

If Sen. John Kerry's military record was enough for the Dems to demand respect for it, then I think Sen. McCain's experiences in resisting his captors certainly warrants respect.  Surviving torture for 5.5 years with his character intact trumps spending about 4 months in Vietnam and getting a few minor flesh wounds.   

26

Wesley Clark as Obamas running mate?

Cool- our first homo VP!!!

27 I suppose it would be "laughable" except that at this point McCain is so far behind that it seems that nothing is going to be able to either help him or hurt him further.

28 Calling Clark a douchebag is an insult to decent douchebags everywhere.  I'm not wild about McCain, but I have yet to see any single thing about Obama that necessarily would make him a good president.  All the things that Obama supporters crow about are typically irrelevant and/or unnecessary to the presidency.

And did Clark support the candidate in 2004 who not only "rode in a boat"  (they don't usually fall out of the sky, which is dangerous) but managed to wound himself in his own ass with his own shrapnel?

Finally, if the Dems *really* want a former military man to come out and trash McCain's military record, may I suggest John F'n Kerry.  [Who promised only four years or so ago to release his entire military record to the public.  I'm guessing McCain's record *is* public.] 

29

Be fair, DrewM, four years is a long time in politics. Four years ago the New York Times was blowing McCain as the perfect Republican, and now he's Bushitleriraqibabykillerstein Mk.II.

30

There are two kinds of general officers; the political assholes like Clark, McPeak, Powell and McClellan who know how to chit-chat at Washington tea parties and kiss political bootie; and the warriors like Petraeus, Schwarzkopf and Patton who kick ass and win wars.

 

 

 

 

31

#11 - Saule Goode:

You took the words right out of my mouth.  Only you did it with more panache and suavity than I could ever muster.

However, just speaking for myself, FUCK Weaselly Clark very much!  What an asshat!

I, too, an not much of a fan of McCain.  But, I stand in awe of his behavior as a POW.  The reason you get shot down is that you are where the action is.  Normally, where difference is made.  You are not flying a desk and ordering the secretaries around like Clark.

I believe that we know the character of both men.  Clark does not shine in this comparison.

 

 

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33 Am I allowed to use just one expletive here?

If so, I'll spend that privilege on the following:

"Wesley Clark is, without a doubt, one of the biggest dickheads that
ever walked the planet.  How he got to be a general in the US Military
will always remain a major mystery and cause for great concern to me."

Thank you.  It was well-spent.

34

Wesley Clark. Go put on another sweater, you jug eared fucking loser, and stop campaigning for the VP slot that you won't get offered.

Guh.

35 "I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”" Who said it was? Prissy, anus-mouthed leftists always argue this way. Well, let's do it back to them. I don't think clowning around with Serbian war criminals is a qualification to become vice president. http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/008524.html I don't think being fired as commander of NATO and forced into retirement is a qualification to become vice president. http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P663

36 Goddammit, what happened to the spaces in my last post?

37 Indeed, the argument is self defeating. If we look at the executive ability of Sen. McCain, it IS thin. So we look to his opponent, Sen. Obama. Well, he was a community organizer. Let’s just turn the country over to HIM!
If Gen. Clark is that stupid (all evidence points that way), how in the hell did he rise to prominence in the service?

38

Can anyone post a link about Clark's orders to the Brits?

In the meantime, between Clark and Tony McPeak, Obambi sure knows how to surround himself with some real winners, doesn't he?

tmi3rd

39 Wesley Clark is a real piece of work. He is right up there with Murtha as a couple of characters that did not learn a thing in their entire service in the military. Both of them must have been road since day one.

40 OT...

Drudge is teasing that the NYT is apparently about to commit treason.

The newspaper is planning to expose a 'highly classified Pentagon order' authorizing Special Operations forces to hunt al-Qaida leader in mountains of Pakistan...

No link to a story yet.  I am sure al-Qaida and the Pakistani government are eagerly awaiting the Times to deliver this information to them. Though in reality, I'm guessing the Times delivers advanced copies of this type of stories to their many friends in the "terrorist community".

41 If you had to choose the two most despised 4-stars in the last 20 years, I'd be willing to bet that Clark and McPeak would win. There may be some competition, but I'm pretty sure these two clowns could snag to most points.

42 tmi3rd,

I said: 'Do you consider I have the authority to do so?' He said: 'Of course you do, you have transfer of authority'.''

But General Clark's plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For's British commander.

"I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.

General Jackson tells the BBC: ''We were [looking at] a possibility....of confrontation with the Russian contingent which seemed to me probably not the right way to start off a relationship with Russians who were going to become part of my command.''

43 Look Clark is a douche, but lack of executive experience is a valid criticism of McCain. Senators usually aren't very good leaders - that's why I prefer governors or mayors.

44 Better a fighter pilot who was shot down than the Manchurian candidate the Obamessiah would be.

Funny... he doesn't look Chinese.

45 Look Clark is a douche, but lack of executive experience is a valid criticism of McCain.

Not from a guy in Obama's corner.  That's just self-parody.

Someone should ask Clarke if JFK was unqualified (actually, against Nixon, there's a case to be made).

46

Thanks, Jay- I appreciate it!

tmi3rd

47 Clark was the valedictorian of his class at West Point among his many medals was the Silver Star which he received after being shot 4 times with an AK 47

48 First, I'm not a McCain fan. At all. Having said that, it's pretty comical to hear Clark give an opinion as an evaluator of (1) executive experience on (2) who exercises reasonable judgment. To the former, has he ever met Mr. Obama; and to the latter, has he looked in the mirror?

The Campaign of Hope and Change (aka Cardboard Cutout '0 has pulled the ol' Absolute Moral Authority card out of the dusty, political hat and assigned Clark the task of questioning McCain's record. Hillary couldn't. Barack certainly couldn't and can't (though he would have the domestic terrorist bona fides should it ever be needed). Barack surely doesn't want Jon Cary to be the front man now, either. And I guess Colin Powell has decided to sit this round out, so far, so no love from him. The cupboard is pretty thin. Ergo, hello Wes.

The more things change, the more things stay the same... now with AMA sprinkles.

49

Look, Clark is playing the attack dog here, knowing that Obama may want to pick someone for veep associated with the Clintons to appease Hillary supporters.

While in normal people language he appears to be merely a retard criticizing McCain on his war record, in Obama camp language, what he is saying roughly translates into, "I can be mean. I can be your attack dog. Oooh, oooh. Pick me. Pick me. Pick me."

Kinda like a dog whistle.

50 This just doesn't make any sense. Madonna adores that man and we all know what a good man picker she is.

51 Maetenloch, I tend to agree with you, but if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?
Like it or not, the next President of the United States is going to come from the current Senate.
Neither candidate has great executive experience, but at least McCain has other experience.
That Clark would pursue such a politically stupid, self defeating line of attack explains why he tanked as a Presidential candidate himself.

52 Re: Cardboard Cutout '0

Heh. Emoticon infiltration. I though the new blog locked them all up and was waiting for the OK to torture them into submission. It should have read "Cardboard Cutout '08," but I like the new effect. Effective immediately, our strategizing committee has decided that going forward, all references to Cardboard Cutout '08 will indeed be replaced with Cardboard Cutout '0 . It's 57.0% more effective in communicating our message, especially toward the "MTV" and "braindead" demographics on which we are increasingly dependent.

53 Clark and his mouth should be reason enough to bring dueling back into the main stream. Stinky is up there too.

54 And that justifies his idiotic and inexcusable smear of McCain how, precisely?

55 In my opinion, you is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is.

56 Let's not forget that Clark was the commander ultimately in charge of the tanks and other military gear that was illegally (violation of the Posse Comitatus Act) used against the folks who burned to death at Waco.

Qwinn

57

Thank you, cranky... I'm sure all of us reading your post agree. I sure know you does.

tmi3rd

58 Qwinn, the Army at Waco was kinda in  grey area on the PC law. The armed services can support law enforcement, but they cannot arrest. How to define support is the question.

59

37 Maetenloch, I tend to agree with you, but if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?

Sorry - I was posting from my phone and had to go for bevity over details.

There's no question that McCain is more experienced than Obama. My complaint is that McCain himself doesn't really have that much real executive experience. The last time he was in charge of a large number of people was when he commanded a training squadron back in the 70's which was over 30 years ago.  Since then he's only been on charge of a small group of staffers, and there are already signs that his campaign hasn't been able to scale well from being a minimal operation.

60

  I'm not a fan of Presidential Candidate McCain, but he was a very "stand-up" guy during his half-decade forced vacation in North Vietnam.

  Hearing Wesley Fucking Clark slam him for not being a very good soldier would be like listening to Trent Dilfer complain about how Steve Young and Phil Simms were overrated and didn't really stand out during their Super Bowl wins.

61

The Dems are amazing:

1992: Draft dodger (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter.

1996: Draft dodger (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter.

2000: War shadowing journalist (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Republican is a draft dodger

2004: Served in Vietnam (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Republican is a draft dodger and military service is the most important criterion to be President

2008: Messiah (D) vs. Veteran (R) - Service doesn't matter, by the way, all the veteran did was get himself shot down, not real service.

62

wow, just wow.  So we now have a guy in the corner of a candidate with less than a full term in the US senate, one term in the state senate, and a couple of years as a "community organizer" saying that a military veteran, with numerous terms in the senate; does not have enough experience to be an effective President?

Um, Wes.........  shut the hell up.  all you are doing is making your candidate look like an incompitent moron.  actually, keep talking, let us take notes, and we'll wax that ass in November.

63 Patton, I'll have you know that GENERAL!!111!!! Clark stayed in a Holiday Inn Express during the times in question too.

You didn't factor that in, did you?

You feel kinda foolish now, don't you?

Admit it... John Ryan CRUSHED!!!111@!! and PWNED!!!!111 you.

64

oh yeah, and appearently I made on hell of a first impression.

Naturally, it seems to have been the wrong one, but such is my life and style.

65 That's not the Wesley Clark I knew

66 Maetenloch, I'm with ya. If I had my druthers, we'd have a different candidate. But thems the breaks, and if Clark is that dumb, I don't see any reason not to hammer him for it. 

67 Wesley Clark...still an complete and utter douchebag with an unending love for the sound of his own voice.  He's a perfect fit for the Obama cult campaign.

68

Crap, must read all blog posts in order.  That you trick is pretty funny.  but damn if I don't feel a bit sheepish right now.

 

*will someone get the Welsh fellow away from me?*

69 Incidently, one of McCains fellow aviators has just been identified. Head over to SteelJaws and read the article. The Oriskany had one of the most trying deployments of any carrier.

Be sure to go down and look at all the other guys who got shot down.

70 Haha, Todler fell for it.  That's not a [ you ] trick, I actually used your name, Tod'.

This script feature is going to make things difficult around here.  Especially when everyone forgets about it for a while, then, BAM!  It's how dare you, sir all over again.

71 I actually saw this interview this morning (it was an accident - I was needing a VuR Bloody Mary), and if it were not for the significant downrange impact, my TV would have been full of .40 cal. holes.

The interview with Wussley Clark came right after one with Joe Lieberman, you know, the conservative McCain supporter. Balance.

Even Bob Schieffer called Clark out on the fact that even if what he was saying about McCain was true, Obama had even less of whatever it was that he was saying McCain lacked. What a dickhead.

72 "In my opinion, qrstuv is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is."

Um, OK.

73 I'm starting to get a little sympathetic with 'ol Wes...

74 WTF is up with the character encoding in DrewM's posts on the new site with FF3? All the quote marks and shit show up as boxes.

75

60 "In my opinion, qrstuv is more qualified to comment on McCain than Wesley Clark is."

Um, OK.

Heh. Another victim of the cookie tag trick.

_{ok, ok, I was fooled for a moment too.}

76 If you've got Bob Schieffer calling you a dick..........



you might be a dick.

Just sayin', yo.

77 Where the f' did Obama have executive responsibility?  Ever.

Running corrupt organizations requires a lot of executive responsibility.  Ask Al Capone.

78

At least John McCain knows how to handle himself in the presence of the enemy.

Unfortunately, McCain thinks WE are the enemy.

79 Cookie Tag shit gotta go, bro.

80 Slightly OT and late, but speaking of people who know how to handle themselves in the presence of the enemy, this weekend was the 3rd anniversary of Operation Red Wing (Lone Survivor).

I'd appreciate it if the moronosphere would join me in lifting a glass of their favorite spirits to these guys and their loved ones.

81 In honor of the new site, I'll comment under my own name henceforth.

82 .

83 Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

Dude.  You might not want to chuck that stone inside your pretty glass house.  I'm just saying is all.

84 With the exception of getting turned into swiss cheese by the Viet Cong, most of Wesley's medals were earned while riding a desk.  And Hillary Clinton.

85 Anybody think you get more leadership training at Columbia than at the Naval Academy? That's before you even get to the job at hand.

86 Bob Beckel had the best line about Wesley Clark so far:

"I've just got one thing to say to Wes Clark: Shut up."

87 drumwaster, you beat me to it. I just saw that, and Beckel is right.

Good link, XBradTC. These creeps like Clark and McGovern and Rockefeller who mock this service really need to STFFU.

Politics aside, McCain had the chance to go back home with the Forrestal after having been in the middle of the fire and explosions, but instead volunteered to replenish the depleted squadrons of the Oriskany, and fly low level missions over a city surrounded by several rings of SAMs.

One third of the aviators from those A-4 squadrons were killed or captured that year.

But whatever--as the lefties say, he was just a bad a pilot, and deserved what he got, like all those other pilots that were shot down.

88 Wesley Clark = PUSSY (or as the French would say, poosay)

'nuf said!

89 Clark is a smelly cunt. He'd suck his mother's dick if he could profit from it. I never served under him, but have heard that he was almost universally reviled from some that did. I can't say that I'm surprised to hear him say this. He's a blue falcon from the giddyup.

90 How does Wes Clark know when his crack whore is having her period?
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.
.
.
His dog's dick tastes funny.

91 Test tester [Wes Clark is a douchebag] testing, 1 2 3, this thing on?

92 Blog is broken. I'm going over to DKos for a good flame war. See ya, bitches.

93 Take it easy on 'ol Wes.  He doesn't have much experience making sense.

94

Steyn on Clark in 2003:

http://tinyurl.com/o595

And here's the Lt.-Gen. Sir Michael Jackson story (pre-9/11) from the leftist Guardian:

http://tinyurl.com/5emups

95

@55

jeez how did i get drug into this? 

 

96

Earlier in the year in which LCDR McCain was shot down he was in the cockpit of his A4 Phantom when a Zuni rocket fired across the flight deck of the USS Forrestal.  The rocket did not ignite, but it did rip one of the external fuel tanks off his aircraft's wing and started the worst aircraft carrier fire since WWII.

134 Sailors died in that fire. 

 

97 Weasley Cluck.

98

The A4 is known as a Skyraider. The Phantom was designated the F4.

And your point is what exactly?

99 Take a close look at Wesley Clark's face. Not a line. Not a wrinkle. No crows feet. No brow furrowed by the weight of command decision there. Smooth as a baby's butt. Can't be all makeup. Seems that finally all that botox has finally affected his brain.....

100 The A4 is the Skyhawk, the Skyraider was the Douglas A1, a ginormous prop job which served in both Korea and Vietnam.

101 Don't expect them to know details such as plane names, what are you, some sort of fascist?

102 John Ryan: "Clark was the valedictorian of his class at West Point among his many medals was the Silver Star which he received after being shot 4 times with an AK 47"

So all Clark did to get a Silver Star was get shot four times?  That takes a lot of executive experience, eh?  (See, it goes both ways.  Best not toss rocks if you live in a glass abode.)

103 Actually, Monsieur Ryan, that's just silly.  Clark didn't get a silver star for getting shot.  Odds are he actually killed people, or saved someone's life at risk of his own, or something, you know, courageous.

Being a victim of something is no qualification to be a hero.  Yeah, McCain was a POW, but that's not why he's a hero.  He's a hero for showing extraordinary courage while a POW, for standing up against the monsters who tortured him and spitting in their eyes as much as he could, for being true and faithful to the Americans with him and to his country.

104 For an Oxford graduate Clark is about the dumbest dip shit I've heard lately.

105

mea culpa...  and you guys are correct:

LCDR McCain was in an A4 Skyhawk, the rocket launched off of an F4 Phantom.

What does Ace call this?  Loose Shit?

and what do I know... I was just a ping jockey twidget on an FFG

106

"That klrtz1 trick is pretty funny. "


Todler, I demand satisfaction, Sir! Or I would if I could figure out what the hell you meant. If you meant that as a compliment then never mind.


I was pretty hard on you on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  you can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

107 Military experience is relevant in two ways.  First, it gives the Pesident a better understanding of the capabilities of the military.  He may not know the exact cyclical rate of fire of a particular weapon, but he will understand what they can and cannot do.  Second, I truly believe that a veteran, especially one with combat experience, is less likely to get us into a shootin' war.  Having been through it, a President with such experience knows and understands the implications for the average soldier.

108 As Ed Morrissey points out ..Let’s point out a few things about Barack Obama:
* In “the matter of national security policy making.” Barack Obama hasn’t ever done anything.
* In the matter of gauging your “opponents”, Obama wants to meet with them without preconditions despite having no national-security, military, or diplomatic experience.
* Barack Obama hasn’t been on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
* Barack Obama hasn’t had any executive experience.
* Barack Obama hasn’t commanded anything, in wartime or not.
* Barack Obama hasn’t dealt with diplomats in any capacity at all.
* Barack Obama hasn’t ordered the bombs to fall, although to be fair, he has associated himself with someone who has — William Ayers.I have to agree with Ed, except on one point .. for some odd reason this is left off Obama's resume, but Barack Obama has had executive experience on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where he served in one of the two major executive positions .. the other was filled by, his "neighbor," William Ayers.

109 I R A Darth Aggie can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Gee, that's kind, but I think everything that can be said about that douchenozzle in a family-friendly way has been said.

All I got left is family-unfriendly words...

110 ...if McCain isn't qualified on that count, what about Obama?

I think that's the point of the attack, though. Everyone knows Obama lacks experience, and the Dems know this will become an issue in the general election. They're attempting to defuse it now by suggesting that the GOP candidate also lacks experience. If they can convince voters that both sides are deficient in this area, it becomes a non-issue.

111

I was pretty hard on Saul Goode on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  Saul Goode can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Why is my name constantly being brought up? WTF is going on with this new site?

112

@104

I think you have me confused with someone else.  While I disagree with McCain on a lot of things I have been one of his supporters on the site.   

I have taken a ton of shit for it too. 

As for Clark, he has always struck me as an oppurtunistic bastard, but so did Powell and Boorda. 

 

 

113

I think you have me confused with someone else.

chad-

Do you find it a tad odd that there are so many comments addressed to you? 

Just wondering.

114 chad, have you read any of the other threads on this site recently? 

115 The Brits realizing what a completely dumbfuck-headed move this would be and told him to go fuck his stupid fucking self.

It gets better.  After the Brits told him to kiss his ass, he tried to send in his Apache contingent to block the Russians' runway... and the colonel commanding his helicopters also refused.

When a colonel tells a multistar general to piss off, that general hgas zero command credibility.

But hey, since the Democrats have to pick between Clark and "I stole money from enlisted men" Zinni, they don't have a lot of pickings...

116 Chad, I always hear a lot of good things about Boorda? What's the gouge on him? The medal thing was a tempest in a teapot. When he died, the sailors I knew were pretty upset. They seemed to think he had their best interests at heart. If I'm missing something, lemme know?

117 I knew since I was 15 months old that Obama would make a great President.

118
I apologize you. I must have been thinking of someone else and my fingers just typed you by mistake. Stupid fingers. These are not the fingers I knew.

119 I have read somewhere (can't find that link) that while in the military, Clark had only three groups of people who didn't like him.

His subordinates, his equals, and his superiors.

120

I had a couple encounters with Admiral Boorda and neither was exceptionally pleasent and not in the HM1 vs Admiral way but just in the I dont really care that your subordinates are getting screwed way

 

121

I should say in fairness that a lot of people really liked him, and I thought Hackworth did (or was doing) a hatchet job on him regarding those medals.

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@114

Alright you got me, but I don't think I reacted with outrage or started a flame war :-)

My browser cuts the page off right before that post and I didnt scroll down.

 

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that squadron that he commanded was not a wartime squadron

This comment speaks volumes about what this SOB thinks of the unglamorous but vital work that goes into leading military units that aren't in battle--thanks, but your service isn't "real" service. I'll bet Clark's subordinates could tell stories...

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I was pretty hard on railwriter on a previous thread for some rather unkind remarks about McCain. I suppose to be fair I should also complain about the insults to General Clark here. Well, I'm a hypocrite.  railwriter can say anything about that fucking asshole Wes Clark and I won't say a word.

Carry on.

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I apologize Saul Goode. I must have been thinking of someone else and my fingers just typed Saul Goode by mistake. Stupid fingers. These are not the fingers I knew.

Posted by: klrtz1 at June 30, 2008 10:26 AM (hcx9C)

Go fuck yourself

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Take note, Stinky. Nothing makes them madder than apologizing.

127 #30, Techie, why yes I suppose I am some sort of fascist. Go read Watch on the Rhine by John Ringo. That kind of facist.

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