August 20, 2008
— Purple Avenger McPain has a 9 point edge on managing the economy -- which is quite a statement in itself, since he's admitted in the past his economic chops are mediocre at best.
...McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election.My theory is the public is starting to realize that even with a Clintonesque gutting of the military, there's still not enough money left to pay to feed all the Unicorns Obama is promising unless there's some massive tax increases in store he's not talking about. People aren't completely stupid, they know the price of Purina UnicornChow™ and it ain't cheap.That margin reversed Obama's 4-point edge last month on the economy over McCain, an Arizona senator and former Vietnam prisoner of war who has admitted a lack of economic expertise and shows far greater interest in foreign and military policy...
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Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 04:52 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Ken at August 20, 2008 04:59 AM (I7YLa)
Posted by: ding at August 20, 2008 05:03 AM (/LC2y)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 05:05 AM (6L459)
How long until we actually get to see a real debate between these guys? After the conventions? Obama will go down in flames. Keep Hope alive!
Posted by: Clonefan at August 20, 2008 05:11 AM (17uwu)
If the media has anything to say about it, that would be never. These will be the most scripted controlled debates ever. Forget about anything like a Townhall with random unscreened questions from the peanut gallery.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 05:15 AM (6L459)
Here's the thing, both men have spent their adult lives in the "public service" - McCain in the Navy, then politics; Obama as a "community organizer", law professor and politician. Sure Obama spent a few years at a law firm as an associate (trust me, not particularly good economic training (except maybe for the derivatives guys)), but neither has any particular chops in this area. The difference is, McCain is man enough to admit it, whereas Obama (and his psycho supporters/the MSM) assume that he will be great at it just by the power of the O. Anyway, the President doesn't pass the budget and he doesn't set Fed Policy - at best he can be a good chearleader and "do no harm" in terms of tax and regulatory policy (all of which are passed by Congress). The President's power to influence the economy in a positive way is very limited, but there are a number of ways he can screw it up. Ever since 1992 and "it's the economy, stupid" the electorate has been led to believe that the President has much more control over the economy then he really does. Clinton got lucky with a well-times boom/bubble and a Republican House that refused to let him screw it up too much (anyone remember the Asian and Mexican currency crises?).
Posted by: The Republican Attack Machine at August 20, 2008 05:19 AM (Gzb30)
Posted by: UGAdawg at August 20, 2008 05:19 AM (vfDNl)
True. I think Barney Frank has already announced he would probably not vote for an Obama/Nunn ticket.
Posted by: Slublog at August 20, 2008 05:21 AM (R8+nJ)
Posted by: Diffus at August 20, 2008 05:22 AM (MR/ge)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2008 05:23 AM (zpaDL)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 05:25 AM (6L459)
RYMB! The Great Moonbat Meltdown of 2008 is going to be a sight to behold.
Anybody got a read on whether the popcorn supply has rebounded since the end of Operation Chaos Phase I?
Posted by: Andy at August 20, 2008 05:26 AM (C3mTI)
As more and more people see through Barry, expect The Deciders to go to 11 on their nutso meter.
I predict a five fold increase in Lawrence O'Donnell's infamous meltdown from 2004.
Posted by: eddiebear at August 20, 2008 05:32 AM (wnU1W)
Posted by: Some Dude at August 20, 2008 05:34 AM (eK8R5)
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 20, 2008 05:43 AM (0TrzE)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at August 20, 2008 05:50 AM (9lt9e)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 20, 2008 05:50 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 05:51 AM (6L459)
Not to mention Sam will be 70 next month. Sorta cancels out the McCain-is-old-as-Hell argument.
The great thing about watching Obama find a VP is that there is no option for him that will help with many of his problems without exaggerating the other problems. Nunn will annoy the nutroots and make them want to stay home and hit the bong, even though he might give Obama some weight. But on the other hand, he might add too much weight and exaggerate Obama's image as a lightweight.
Hillary probably won't take the job now that he's tanking and that rules out any other woman VP as well, since it will send the PUMAs in a rage. And he can't pick a devout lefty if he wants to appeal to the middle.
All that leaves for him is a clown like Biden, a retard with a similar lack of experience like Kaine, or a pasty boring milktoast guy like Bayh.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 20, 2008 05:54 AM (qAMnO)
The Obama advisor wasn't about to respond directly, and tap-danced around it by saying something along the lines of, "That's not what the senator said. He's offered an across-the-board tax cut, even larger than the Bush tax cuts, so everyone will be paying less."
Of course, if *everyone* pays lower taxes, how does the gubmint get the money to fund all the promised freebies? Surely not by (gasp!) deficit spending--since that's an action that the Dems constantly wail about Bush doing so much of.
To "E.D."'s credit, she made a couple more attempts to get the Obie advisor to commit to saying "Yeah, we think the top 1% should pay, oh, 90% of all income taxes" or whatever, but the advisor danced around every attempt.
Man, does anybody know if Fox offers transcripts of their programs? This stuff was pure gold. And should have shown to anyone who passed grade school how nonsensical Obie's economic platform is.
Posted by: sf at August 20, 2008 06:07 AM (EsQly)
Is there a Tivo device that can record five channels at a time? I want to capture forever the looks on the faces of anchors on ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC when the results come in and McCain is announced the winner.
If such a device exists, does it have built-in protection against 5 heads exploding simultaneously on the channels it is recording?
Posted by: Tushar at August 20, 2008 06:08 AM (ZqHH5)
There's a pretty decent editorial in the Boston Herald tearing Obama a nasty new one over the 'above my paygrade' statement. I hope Ace sees it:
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at August 20, 2008 06:10 AM (pf1ek)
And frankly I am not sure that McCain can win, considering this year I think the republicans need to be up by about 8 points in order to offset the amount of cheating planned for the messiah.
K
Posted by: Kestrel at August 20, 2008 06:12 AM (bO3lW)
Never understood this.
Didn't the Democrats get a severe political drubbing because of the actions and riots by thousands of misguided leftist moron "youths" at their convention in 1968? Didn't they nominate a complete zero and lost to Nixon?
Quite a strategy - recreate something that caused your party to get stomped the ballot box by Richard M. Nixon.
Stupid like a fox.
Posted by: Good Lt at August 20, 2008 06:12 AM (jH17H)
Idiot. All she had to say to deflect that question was that the top marginal income tax rate was over 90% during the 1950's and early 1960's.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 06:20 AM (6L459)
Posted by: James at August 20, 2008 06:33 AM (OMkjH)
Dude, if Hillary pulls an upset, the Democrats lose. The O!bots won't pick her because she supported the Iraq war. And they'll be bitter at all of TEH RACISM!!!@, so they'll be rioting when they should be voting. It would be the ultimate consummation of Operation Chaos. Democrats at each others throats, pull numbers tanking, the American people realizing "what the hell were we thinking...", etc. It would be AWESOME.
Hillary has higher negatives that O!, but not by much. However, she's not going to crack 50% if her husband couldn't do it. She's more polarizing than Clenis.
A Hildawg upset would be the best possible outcome for the GOP - both up ticket and down. There isn't enough popcorn in the world to eat during that movie.
GO HILDAWG!
Posted by: Good Lt at August 20, 2008 06:39 AM (jH17H)
4 If Obama goes with someone like Nunn, he risks alienating his hardcore moonbat base.
Not just his base. My perception is that he is just as much a hardcore left true believer as "the base".
Here's the thing, both men have spent their adult lives in the "public service" - Obama as a "community organizer", law professor and politician.
yyyyyeeahh.... that's some nice "public service"....
Posted by: Terry at August 20, 2008 06:40 AM (yGmLl)
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 20, 2008 07:11 AM (kKO7A)
Posted by: rockmom at August 20, 2008 07:32 AM (iZqUY)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at August 20, 2008 08:35 AM (kaOJx)
Like God, Obama is omnipresent, he is all things to all people, so while an ordinary politician might be able to move left or right in an effort to improve his numbers, Obama can't because he currently holds all positions. Any favoring of the left will weaken his support from the center and any favoring of the center or right will anger his base.
Regardless, Obama's plan is for somebody else to come up with a plan. His idea is for somebody else to come up with an idea. Obama doesn't have plans or ideas to improve the country, not ones that will help him to be elected anyway. There is little chance that he will be able to present a platform plank that will sway voters to him.
You would need an electron microscope to find any evidence of Obama's good character (unless you count his coming down from the cross to lead us into the promise land) so I wouldn't rule out vicious, lying attacks on McCain and on his supporters. Chief among them will be even more and ever more hysterical accusations of racism. (This may be an unintended consequence of this election; accusations of racism may become so prevalent that they lose their nuclear capability. Playing the race card may become no more effective than threatening to hold your breath until you pass out.)
Of course, the sycophant media will crank it up a notch or ten but it appears that they have already shot their bolt, they have already been weighed and found wanting. They will continue to sacrifice their credibility to elevate the unworthy and to denigrate the worthy, but who will listen?
There is the whiff of panic in the air and the end draws nigh. Buckle your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 20, 2008 08:57 AM (DVVXZ)
I still think this is a set up, and Obama still has a small 2-3 point lead
Zogby just wants to set the tone for a convention "bounce" for the exalted one.
"McCains 5 point lead vanishes- Obama now up by 5!!" "Double digit bounce for Obama!!" etc
Posted by: TMF at August 20, 2008 08:58 AM (KTgUG)
Posted by: Hammer at August 20, 2008 08:59 AM (QtO87)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 09:01 AM (6L459)
I heard a promo for some lib-talker/Air America type yesterday, claiming that Obama won the Saddlesore Showdown "just by showing up." They said Obama would clean McCain's clock in a real debate and that McCain was only willing to appear with Obama in front of a friendly audience of evangelicals.
Completely forgetting that McCain challenged the Obamassiah to ten townhall debates and the Obamassiah punked out. Of course, McCain seems to have forgotten that, too. All those predictions that McCain would hammer his opponent for not showing up to debate kind of fizzled out.
Posted by: Socky at August 20, 2008 09:15 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: TRO at August 20, 2008 09:25 AM (q4WFG)
Posted by: Socky at August 20, 2008 09:32 AM (PLvLS)
The left said that never again would we elect a greenhorn, moron, lightweight, no gravitas, ineffectual, disengaged, ill-equipped Pres who would be a puppet for a strong VP.
Guess that's out the window.
Everytime Barry goes on TV, he loses 5 points.
LMAO
Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz Fucking Fuck Off Fuck at August 20, 2008 09:34 AM (sf4Oe)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 09:39 AM (6L459)
Forgetting about McCain speaking in front of the NAACP recently (or was it the Urban League?), and taking audience questions afterwards. As I recall, the audience was shocked that McCain would take questions. Particularly when Obama wouldn't do question/answer in front of the same, presumably friendly organization.
Who has the YouTube video of Silky absolutely swarming over Obama during one of the Dem primary debates? I only saw that vid once, and it's great. Compared to Edwards, Obama comes off like a wet poodle.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 20, 2008 09:43 AM (UNeGp)
And a couple of terms as a conservative, reformer-governor doesn't give her that? I'd argue her chances are better if she doesn't get on the Maverick Express.
You guys may be in love with McCain now because of what the alternative is. Four years of cutting deals with Democrats to get Amnesty passed, fill the courts with "compromise" (i.e. David Souter and Anthony Kennedy clones), and other "maverick" policies are going to take the bloom off the rose pretty quickly.
I like Sarah Palin too much to want her to get tainted by that.
Posted by: Socky at August 20, 2008 09:45 AM (PLvLS)
It's the R&D that makes it so expensive.
One unicorn in testing gets covered in painful hives and dies in agony, the PETU freaks are all over yuz with lawsuits.
I guess nobody thinks of all the unicorns that are saved by that testing.
As if we cared, but really, nobody thinks of that.
Posted by: lauraw at August 20, 2008 09:48 AM (e1Wie)
Yea, that's why I'm always calling him McPain. You don't hang here much do you noob.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 09:54 AM (6L459)
On the economic polls. Anyone who doesn't know shit will beat anyone who thinks you can tax your way to prosperity any day!
Any poll showing otherwise has been rigged.
Nunn is way overrated. Its a matter of who he is being compared to.
Hell, bugs look tasty if you haven't eaten in 40 days.
Posted by: lonetown at August 20, 2008 10:10 AM (f/ha4)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 10:15 AM (6L459)
Posted by: dan in michigan at August 20, 2008 10:16 AM (uSI6F)
has reinforced the notion to the public that this world in too dangerous to hand this country over to a lightweight.
Posted by: GTB at August 20, 2008 10:43 AM (iInYK)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 20, 2008 05:50 AM (C2//T)
19 Hope is a town in Arkansas.Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 05:51 AM (6L459)
I dated Hope. Believe me, Hope sucks.
Posted by: Hammer at August 20, 2008 11:08 AM (iq/aE)
I'd pay real money to see their faces on election day as the candidate of hope and change gets his ass handed to him.
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Posted by: TMF at August 20, 2008 12:03 PM (KTgUG)
People aren't completely stupid, they know the price of Purina UnicornChow™ and it ain't cheap.
Of course it isn't! But how many other chows make it possible for your unicorn to fart rainbows?
Posted by: Tully at August 20, 2008 12:18 PM (tUyDE)
Second is the media, but their blatant bias is creating some blowback as the voters get sick of watching newsreaders crawl up Obama's ass.
Third is the old-school Chicago-style Democrat machines.
When the first two props start to buckle, expect Obama to turn to the third with a vengeance. There's going to be more dead people voting, more "random vandalism" abainst McCain signs, more "accidental fires" at campaign offices, more "isolated incidents" of tire-slashing and physical threats, and a ton of pre-emptive lawsuits and cries of "DIEBOLD!" or "Keepin' the black voters down!" from the Obama campaign.
And when the excitable kids catch the fever, expect some really ugly stuff. Keep your helmets handy.
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