1 This doesn't make a lot of sense.  These ladies are faced with "tribal extinction," so they prevent it by make a follow-on generation impossible?  I smell hoax... 

2 I would say this is sick and bizarre, except that western cultures do something very similar to the preborn of both genders and call it a constitutionally guaranteed liberty.

3 Yeah, lets kill people rather than learn to be a humane person who values human life. It appears to me that the ones who are fostering a culture of death are the women. Maybe the mothers should teach their children to respect life and others rights and property rather than teach their daughters that murdering infants is a viable solution?

4 NARAL and NOW were quoted as saying, "That's a damn good idea!

Jeez, I hate reading this crap over breakfast. it completely cancels out my Cheerios.

5
#1, I'm with you. I wonder just who was engendering these male babies, and what those guys had to say about the matter. And yes, the press will present this is as a tragedy forced on these poor women, rather than the murderous lunacy that it really is.

6 Because, you know, only men ever ever fight. Women are such gentle folk, who know nothing about, idk, smothering infants or some such.

7

By virtually wiping out the 'male stock', tribal women hope they can avoid deadly bow-and-arrow wars between the villages in the future.

Yeah I'm with Clem on this one.  This makes absolutely no sense.  There will not be a future tribe at this rate.  Either this is a hoax or these women didn't get enough sex education in kindergarten.

8 Uh, didn't their husbands notice that none of them were having surviving sons?

Furthermore, I will not believe without further proof that at least ONE woman, gazing at her newborn son, wasn't overcome with love.

9 And that one surviving son is going to be one lucky guy in about 18 years.

10 The survival of tribal people is rather delicate already, yes? They generally need all hands on board, and men are the major producers, violence notwithstanding.

Bye-bye, backward, ignorant villagers. You hastened your own fate.

11

This doesn't make a lot of sense.  These ladies are faced with "tribal extinction," so they prevent it by make a follow-on generation impossible?

No, no, I've been to this village. There's an absolutely beautiful, state-of-the-art Sperm Bank in the downtown district.

12 Coming attraction to NBC, The Real Housewives of Papua New Guinea.

13 Hey, they're reducing their carbon footprint. That's more than any of you consumerist sheeple can claim.

14 Tcbevo might be onto something...but who knew that Berkeley was in New Guinea?

15 Leave Mrs. Mbeki alone!

16 I don't think they have thought this through.

If they keep this up they will be extinct.

So these people are either really stupid or this is a hoax.

17 I can think of a political twist on this that would lead to a lot fewer ignorant, dependant liberals.  Oh, wait....

18 Don't let any Code Pinkers read this.  Sounds almost crazy enough for the likes of Medusa Medea Benjamin.

19 Sounds almost crazy enough for the likes of Medusa Medea Benjamin.

You had it right the first time. She is appropriately named. Medea murdered her sons because Jason cheated on her. Ms. Benjamin lives vicariously through the archetype.

20 So all of the mothers of the surrounding tribes are also smothering their sons in order to prevent extinction?  Unlikely.

Young men fight wars, and if the two villages mentioned in the article have no young men to protect them, they're gone with the wind. QED.

I'm going with HOAX.

21 "I'm going with HOAX." Unlike you deceitful Westerners, we indigenous people are too close to nature to engage in a lie. We don't even have a word for "hoax" in our language.

22  hoax

23 Bless all them pygmies down there in Papua New Guinea.

24 The closest word to "hoax" in our language is "loax," but that's a dried Gazelle penis used only in our sacred Mr. Microphone rituals. So it's not really even related.

25

Must be a hoax.

If not, where's the UN? (giggle.)

And what sociologist left a copy of the SCUM manifesto lying around?

Seriously, wipe these people out.

 

26 I smell a Nobel Peace Prize (posthumous).

27 Hey...on the plus side, it'll be wall-to-wall chicks there in a few more years, with no competition.  I'd plan a vacation there, but I'll be too old to pick up chicks in 20 years.  I'll leave it to you younger guys.

28 I see a new role for Sally Field

29 Because, you know, only men ever ever fight. Women are such gentle folk, who know nothing about, idk, smothering infants or some such.

Reminds me of that South Park episode about hunting: 

"We have to kill them...so they won't die."

Eh.  Who ever accused women of being loving or gentle creatures?

30 The myth of a noble savage -- what do people think the aboriginals were like here when the settlers arrived?  Vicious, violent, and in some case, cannibalistic.

31 Wish I would of thought of that line of defense earlier.

32 and people want a female president.......el oh el

33 You know what's worse than war?
Murdering dozens of babies.

34 Rose West was unavailable for comment.

35 9 And that one surviving son is going to be one lucky guy in about 18 years. -Posted by: chemjeff at November 29, 2008 09:25 AM (VLxln)   Yeah. Real lucky. A lone male raised up in a village entirely composed of females. He'll be real good at planting yams, making clothes (or whatever they wear for clothes in that place), cleaning house and gossiping. He'll never really fit in though. I doubt his hips will ever grow to properly fill out his skirt, nor his tits to fill out his blouse.   He'll be the ugliest bitch in the village.

36

Excuse me, are you serious?

Female infants have been smothered, strangled, and left to die since humans have existed!

In China, the one-child law encouraged this. In India, the same. In Africa..the same.

I do sympathize with these women. It's been proven by anthropologists and sociologists that the higher the percentage of males in any population, the higher the level of violence and war.

Female infants have been the victims of this practice for many centuries, and the abuse carries over into adult life. It is well-known that many Indian brides are married for their doweries and then conveniently burned to death by charcoal brazier when their in-laws need another infusion of wealth.

It's time to begin realizing that males make up the vast majority of criminals who are violent. No, we shouldn't be killing male babies. On the other hand, it would be helpful if scientists, males in particular, decided to stuey the inherent violence in males and try to find a way to control this without denaturing the males.

Pat

37 Wow. I guess the ends do justify the means. I mean, if it prevents war ... /sarc Or you could educate these people that just because your house gets hit by a branch in a storm, it doesn't mean someone in the next village has it out for you and expressed it with magic. Sheesh

38 I strongly suspect this is some sort of hoax. Some killing of newborn males may be occuring in these places (which unfortunately would not be anything new in this world, except that it would reverse the normal pattern of female babies being the ones killed in less developed societies). However, I strongly doubt anything like what is described here is really happening, for a number of reasons, including:

1. This is the Daily Mail, which certainly gets some stuff right, but is not exactly the pinnacle of responsible reporting.
2. Primitive tribes, since they are less protected from nature by technology and so forth than those in developed countries, tend to be more immediately conscious of the basic necessities of community bodily survival, not less so. So if random Americans commenting here can see the self-defeating idiocy of this, it is pretty unlikely that the people in Papua New Guinea can't.
3. No explanation is offered of whether or how the adult men are going along with this, which seems like an obvious question any responsible reporter would ask before publishing the story. In societies where the men are particularly violent and inclined to war, it is difficult to imagine them allowing the women to unilaterally make this kind of decision.
4. I know very little about Papua New Guinea, but these places don't appear to be tiny areas with very few people. In Agibu, one of the villages where this is supposedly taking place, there is a population estimate of 4521 (see here). Thus, a policy like this would be extremely difficult to implement universally. I can't find any information on an Amosa, but there is an Amora very near Agibu, and that lists a population of 4681.
5. Obviously, women are not naturally inclined to kill their own children; indeed, they are naturally more attached to their newborns than men (contrary to the conventional wisdom of much of the Western media in seeing abortion as a "women's issue"). I simply don't believe it would be possible to convince every mother in a community, or even a large majority of mothers, to kill their newborn babies. I suspect something like this could only be accomplished by a strong central tyranny with the ability to go into everyone's homes directly to physically enforce the policy.

39 Oh, and Pat? We're taking issue with the sympathetic tone of the article, not ignoring female infanticide. You say you sympathize with these women, then go on to claim that we need to study violence in males instead of killing them at birth. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

40

Because, you know, only men ever ever fight. Women are such gentle folk, .

Unless you get in their way in the Wal Mart line on Black Friday.

41 Thank you , Pat Downing , for your excellent and completely infuckingsane analyses.
Denaturing males ? Good luck with that but stay the hell away from my son. I like his nature just fine.
 Please experiment with your own male offspring  although , nature being perverse , your son's will probably grow up to be infantrymen. Casey Sheehan being a good example.

42 Female infants have been the victims of this practice for many centuries,

Yeah. And? So what? It's still a horror to murder children, right? You make it sound like there's a payback game going on in your mind. With helpless innocent infants.

And keep your social re-engineering, pop-psychology, and bullshit feminist theology of victimhood off my American men. You've done quite enough already, thanks.

43 it's Pat!

44 So... to prevent men from killing people because they are so bloodthirsty and cruel, the women are killing people. Do I have that straight? That makes as much sense as anti-abortionists killing doctors.

45 "Must be a hoax. If not, where's the UN? (giggle.)" Why would the UN be there? There are no little boys to rape. CafePress needs to come up with a line of bumper-stickers for these women: "Keep you religion off my pillow" "If you can't trust a woman to smother a child, how can you trust her to raise one?"

46 "If you're against smothering children then don't smother one."

47

"If you can't trust a woman to smother a child, how can you trust her to raise one?"

 

ROTFLWTIME

48 Amanda Marcotte is writing a book about this worthwhile idea but is left stewing over the dilemma of how she can still worry about her fuckability quotient if there are no males in her age cohort with whom to mate.

49 You Westerners have no right to judge us. We kill because we love. Well, the stew's good too, but it's mostly because we love.

50

To all who smell a hoax:

http://tinyurl.com/2d3gev

51 Why don't they do what white women do to keep their men in line -- withhold sex? Seriously, how many of these primitive tribe stories have turned out to be a hoax? They may be primitive but they have advanced senses of humor and always love playing a good joke on anthropologists and National Geographic.

52

Pat--you write as though you think this article could be true.  Bow-and-arrow wars?  Really?

Not to mention that it appears you do want males to be "denatured," or "neutered."  The aggression that allows men to fight also allows them to build, to protect, to run into burning buildings to save others...

53 1) I don't even think this rises to the level of a hoax. It's just "journalism," or, as it's commonly known, "making shit up."

2) Pat, lay off NPR for a few weeks, you'll feel better, and might actually make sense.

3) The really amusing part is that the "women are gentle creatures" meme is held primarily by "feminist" propagandists who know better and men who don't know any women.

54 Also, "the mountain village of Goroka" is the capital of the province and has 25,000 people. Lol!

55 Obama's Wave of Love hasn't reached them yet.

56

Greetings again,

Could it be we are looking at this in the wrong way! There will be at least one surviving male, and great responsibilities will fall on his shoulders as he matures. It will be his duty, duty mind you, to make sure the tribe does not become extinct. He will be busy day and night, with no energy or time to engage in war. I guess the ones that die are somewhat out of luck, but there is a ray of sunshine for the survivors. Perhaps I am to crude. Naw, just an American male!

57

20 So all of the mothers of the surrounding tribes are also smothering their sons in order to prevent extinction?  Unlikely.

They are in effect captiulating to the other tirbes by making sure their women will mate with only outsiders in the future assuring their genetic stock will merge and eventually disappear.  In Germany the native birth rate is so low that in fifty years their will be no native Germans left.  Liberalism will have contrcepted and aborted the German people out of existence; something that golbal climate change, wild animals, famine, flood, tribal war, the Romans, the French, the British, Adolf Hilter, the Allies and Stalin could not accomplish in thousands of years, Liberalism will have accomplished in a hundred!  Liberalism is alive and well in Papua New Guinea.

58 If the Ubangi tribe is deceiving the Ugabugas, a dangerous Penis Gap will arise.

59 Considering the vast amount of insanity in Africa where belief in witchcraft has killed more than I can count, or the massacre of hundreds of thousands in Rwanda over tribalism, it doesn't follow at all that this is a hoax.  Very undeveloped non-technological societies do some pretty damned crazy stuff...

60 Hoax, hoax, hoax. Simply does not pass the smell test. And am I not mistaken or does Papua New Guinea seem to be the location of a lot of these similar spurious claims?

61 This is a recurring fantasy among liberals. See "The Day the Earth Stood Still" You Earth people are making war on each other, and you'll become a danger to the galaxy. So, we'll stop you by -- making a huge war on you right now. Gort! Klaatu berada nikto! Yes, this could be a hoax, but it could also be true. Is it better to kill all babies without regard to sex, or to say, "You males have been killing female babies for millennia, now it's your turn" Can't you hear the male baby saying, "I'm not old enough to have been killing anybody for millennia?" Susan Smith, you were ahead of your time!

62 It's been proven by anthropologists and sociologists that the higher the percentage of males in any population, the higher the level of violence and war.

Even assuming that's true (its not), physical violence is hardly the worst thing in the world that can happen to someone. Women can do horrific violence to someone without lifting a finger.

63 I think this what older anthropologists used to call a 'blatant lie'. Even if the story is 'true' in that the women are saying such things, the reality is more likely that all the men are being raised somewhere else, perhaps a "gymnasium" where they are taught warrior ethos, or perhaps an islamic terror training camp or a child-soldier school for drug traffickers. Or of course it could just be old fashioned evidence that what used to be called civilization is actually a good thing, and that we can expect all sorts of nasty, brutish behavior from the uncivilized that shortens their lives. Could be a short nasty brutish bon mote in there somewhere for someone so inclined, I guess.

64 What a bizarre and ludicrous solution to the problems these tribes faced. Without a doubt, I think everyone can agree that after centuries of tribalism, they finally downgraded to Liberalism. I'm serious by the way, they saw a tough problem and needed a solution and with all of the viable solutions they had at their disposal they chose to kill babies and the result would be no wars, so the good intentions we're there. Of course, the end result will probably mean the opposing tribe that isn't killing all of the male babies, will out breed them and probably kill or make slaves of them in the end but hey, they we're right...when that point comes there will be no war between them.

65 I blame the Joos.

[ too Jooish ]

66 Thats your backwards third world culture for you.  They probably never even heard of feeding their husbands a high PH diet to affect the gender ratio.

67 It's been proven by anthropologists and sociologists that the higher the percentage of males in any population, the higher the level of violence and war.  Astonishingly, a higher percentage of males in a population also leads to more jerking off, Valu-Rite swilling, and general hijinks.

68 And porn.  Don't forget the mother fucking porn.

69 African women are teh hawt.

70 They're simply following the Law of 'Obama'. If a baby is born alive in Il and you don't want it the abortion clinic will smother it to death for you. Is that jungle law also? Don't call real natives animals when you just elected someone as bad.

71 Wish I would of thought of that line of defense earlier.

You ain't kidding, sister.  I really thought the "big black man took 'em" would work in racist Amerikkka.

72 Nothing like a good hoax to flush out the freaks like Pat who actually believe anything along the lines of what she claims has been "proven."

73 Can we kill democrats to prevent...democrats? Oh, wait. We already do..it's called abortion. Praise the Obama and pass the coathangers!

74

This is the same bullshit they pull out with bonobos or gorillas or some other primate or indigenous tribe to feed the lib fantasies of people like Pat up there. We'll just get rid of all the violence and hump our way to a new and better society if we can pussify all the males (or make them nearly extinct).

Sometimes I wonder if leftists want to turn human society into beehives, where all the workers are female and ruled by the queen, and you have one or two male drones around to perpetuate the race, quickly killing them once they outlive their usefulness.

75

Sounds like the deranged fantasies of a millitant lesbian sci-fi writer come to life.

Or the deepest, darkest fantasies of Elanor Smeagle...

76

It takes a villiage... to be complete assholes!

 

That where they thinking?  The first side that doesn't smother their warriors as children is the one that wins.  Can't these dopes do the math?

77 In China, the one-child law encouraged this. In India, the same. In Africa..the same.

Huh.  Someone should tell the residents of India and Africa about their one-child policy.  I don't think they know.

78 Hey Pat,

Before you go, don't forget your broom.  And your dildo.

79 Ten years?  If this is true, that's probably the end of these tribes.  Women are most fertile from teens to mid-30s.  Since the worldwide trend has been towards declining birthrates... having a ten year gap in one sex will most likely end those villages.

Idiocy exacts its own price.  Dog will bray and Darwin have his way.

80 They must have learned birth control from reading Barack Obama's impassioned defense of infanticide in Illinois.  He's such a talker, they just had to go kill them some babies.

81

1, and others, I smell a rat also.

The source of the original story, which comes from the National (PNG) newspaper (the Daily Mail reporter simply rewrote that paper's report) is just two women, both peace activists.

These women have openly confessed to multiple murder (or being accessories after the fact) and/or shopped ALL the women of both their villages for the same crime. Yet the paper reports the mass slaughter without so much as a tsk, tsk, nor any mention of a police investigation.

Surely if either no boys at all were (apparently) born for 10 years or all boys accidentally died in early infancy, the fathers at least would be suspicious.

Would not the district pastor named in the story, not to mention visiting health or other government workers, have found it odd that there was not a single male child under the age of 10 in either village??

That all of the children (who at the very least get inoculated and their existences recorded for census) were girls?

Surely at least a couple of women would refuse to kill their kids. What happened to them? Did others intervene and murder their babies? If so, how come not one of them apparently spoke up about it?

These villages are very remote and small. What were the villagers proposing to do about breeding?

Very very suspicious...

82

Pat doesn't need a dildo, she has her tribes' enemies.  I wonder how long they will take to murdering their sons? The very first commandment in the bible is to be fruitful and multiply.  That does not mean screw your enemies and let the old men tend to you.  My lesbian girlfriend said this is such a good idea that I know this is a Sappho wetdream.  I smell a hoax.  (Sura 2:29)   

83 79 Ten years?  If this is true, that's probably the end of these tribes.  Women are most fertile from teens to mid-30s.  Since the worldwide trend has been towards declining birthrates... having a ten year gap in one sex will most likely end those villages.

Would be true if it was a woman gap, but men can be fertile 'til the day they die.  There's really no population problem with a lack of men - even a ratio as high as 1:10 is easily survivable (very easily and enjoyably, for the men).  The problem is, as others have pointed out, with only old men to protect it the village will become a good source of free food, livestock, women, land, and pretty much whatever else the neighboring tribes are interested in acquiring.

In any event I agree with others who've said it's almost certainly a hoax.  There's the whole problem of it going against primal instinct.  But more damning, it's from the Daily Mail.

84 That makes as much sense as anti-abortionists killing doctors.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

you can make the case......kinda the opposite of the pro-life anti-death penalty retards.

85

#21:  urf urf

 

86

Isn't Pat Downing's screed amazingly in keeping with feminist dogma, in that males are purportedly responsible for all the world's ills, due to what many call "testosterone poisoning", and that unnamed anthropologists and sociologists (!!) have "proven" this claim?

Do you notice the unempressed assumption that women are just fine, just the way they are? 

Heh.

Throughout  history Miss Downing and her ilk were gratefully giving blowjobs to all the men who protected them, and who invented and produced the things they need to survive and enjoy themselves today.

I'd mention birth control pills as an invention Pat might understand, but usually the anti-male Downings of the world are what we called in college "buffarillas" :  too big to be a buffalo, too ugly to be a gorilla.

Such "females" couldn't even give it away.

 

 

 

87 The attacks on Pat Downing are uncalled for. She said nothing that was untrue or offensive. Seriously, some of you need to detox.

88 Babykiller peacemongers whats goten into this persons like this its a crime

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