August 19, 2008
— Ace Worth a read.
Here's Sullivan, playing his usual role of heroic martyr for truth:
...And why are we not allowed to ask these questions, when they relate to one of the most important questions anyone can ask about a president: the question of integrity? If McCain has fabricated a religious epiphany for political purposes, it is about as deep a betrayal of core integrity as one can imagine, and the latest example of how pernicious the religious domination of political life in America has become.
Well, first of all, Mr. Excitable, you are allowed to ask these questions. No one is putting a sack-cloth over your head in the dead of night (unless that's by your own arrangement, NTTAWWT).
I actually don't think Sullivan's charge here is outrageous -- I think it's pretty common for politicians to embellish personal stories for effect. John McCain, having such powerful real stories in the first place, has little need for additional embellishment; but I don't think it's beyond belief that he might have exaggerated this one, or claimed it happened to he himself when it really happened to someone else, or etc.
I tend to think it happened as McCain says, but I'm not 100% committed to that. It's possible he embellished, or even lied. The next obvious questions: 1, Can you prove that? and 2, So fucking what?
The trouble with this inquiry is, as many have written, it is hard to prove a negative, so the left starts out knowing it can never prove their charge. But they press it anyway, hoping they can do some damage to a candidate they oppose simply by smearing him with unprovable allegations.
The second problem is that, in the scheme of things, this would be one of the least important political fibs (if it is a fib) in the history of political fibs. Sullivan attempts to argue that this is the Holy Grail of embellished stories (if it is embeliished) confounding it (as he is wont to do) with his palpable, eye-twitching hatred of religious Christians.
If a single false tale about one's religiosity is a disqualifier for the presidency, what do we make of Obama's serial lies about Jeremiah Wright and infanticide? And -- if it's not merely acceptable but well-nigh critical to ask questions about someone's true religious beliefs and history- - then certainly Sullivan, of all people, should support similar questions about the exact nature and duration of Obama's years in a Muslim school and Muslim culture.
Sullivan, brave inquisitor of integrity regarding religious issues, should not dismiss those like-minded souls who have the courage to scrutinize Obama's religion as a youth as engaging in racist or xenophobic smears, but should instead welcome them as fellow Internet Detectives for Truth and Integrity.
Sullivan, as usual, does not intend his suddenly-discovered "rule" to apply to anyone at all except the current target of his double-standard doubletalk.
The fact that Sullivan had such powerful "heart-ache" -- often reporting himself to be "sickened" or "appalled" -- over those who challenged Kerry's accounts of his Vietnam years certainly suggests that Sullivan's standards on this score are flexible, or at least highly nuanced. I don't remember the Swift Boat Vets ever being hailed as truth-seekers and integrity-detectives by Sullivan for questioning John Kerry's nonsense accounts of how he came to receive three Purple Hearts. Quite the opposite, actually.
But that's in the past. If questions of religiosity are indeed the most important of all, than surely Sullivan is himself an advocate of questioning whether Obama was in fact a practicing Muslim as a young lad. That's also very unlikely to be proven either way, of course, but certainly Sullivan must commend those who probe into this crucial question as doing important work in the service of integrity. A man who would lie or merely fudge the facts on such a fundamental question is simply not fit for the presidency (pandering, as he would be, to the dictates of the Holy Terror of the religious right); we owe it to this nation to dig, dig, dig, and insinuate, insinuate, insinuate, even with little hope of ever actually proving our assertions.
[AP Photo Caption] 19 months ago: This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)
Why was Obama registered as a member of the Islam religion at a Catholic school, if he was not? It's one thing to claim he was registered as a Muslim at a Muslim school just to avoid hassle and ostracism; but why conceal his true Christian faith at a bona-fide Christian school?
Barry's adopted father sure seemed to think Barry was a practicing Muslim. This is an official document. On paper. Not merely scrawled in the sand, lost forever. We've got this document right in hand.
Just doin' my bit for integrity.
And Sullivan -- you're welcome.
More: The "interesting theory" put forward by Sullivan and his confrers at the Daily Kos always relied (up until now) on the key "fact" that this anecdote first appeared in Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, published in 1973. "Quotations" from that book have been offered by the left.
The theory went that McCain, a fan of Solzhenitsyn, picked up the anecdote from reading that book.
Trouble is, it doesn't appear in any of Solzhenitsyn''s published works. (Where did those quotes from the book come from?)
Solzhenitsyn did, it seems, tell the story orally in a speech in 1977.
Meet the new theory (same as the old theory) that McCain cribbed from this speech.
Trouble is, if Solzenihyn is apparently making it up (after all, he didn't write about it in his exhaustive book about his captivity, ergo, per the left's assumptions about such tales always being written immediately after the fact, it didn't ever really happen to him at all)... um, how do we know Solzhenitsyn didn't crib it from McCain, rather than vice versa?
Eh. A fool's errand. But we have no shortage of fools volunteering for duty.
And thus we have a lot of lefties talking up McCain's heroic captivity in service of his country, and also his Christian bona fides.
Well played, fellers. KRYMB.*
* Just shorthand at this point: Karl Rove, You Magnificent Bastard.
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McCain found faith while he was a POW
Sullivan tinkers with religion.
At his core, Sullivan is jealous.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 19, 2008 10:24 AM (NnAGL)
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 10:28 AM (Q1lie)
<i>But it turns out that this episode probably never happened to Solzhenitsyn at all, and according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer it appears nowhere in his published writing.</i>
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 19, 2008 10:30 AM (LRJ8a)
Period.
Not to mention that fish and cross drawing in dirt are something that happen all the time... perhaps have been drawn millions of times.
Andrew is saying : so yeah, you were tortured for years and refused an early release out of respect for the Code of Conduct, but did you really get a easy ride for a few hours once?
Not that I'm complaining. Andrew is helping Mccain enormously. I hope to see this truther-style crap for the rest of the campaign. I hope to see Moveon.org newspaper ads. I want to hear nuts ask Mccain about this at townhalls.
Please, underline Mccain's heroism.
Posted by: ghy at August 19, 2008 10:31 AM (8jYMc)
Yes, for most of us this would be a huge thing but McCain voluntarily staid in captivity, knowing full well that would mean torture (real torture Andi) for God knows how long all to keep faith with the men he was with and to deny the enemy a propaganda coup. THAT'S the story of McCain the POW and it's one nobody except for truther types disputes (and they should be punched in the face and kicked in the balls)
Of course our modern enemies wouldn't need to engineer that kind of PR coup since they have willing accomplices like Sullivan do it for them on a daily basis.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2008 10:33 AM (hlYel)
So Obama is a liar. He practiced Islam at a Catholic School. He has every right to run for President, but he's a liar, and it's worth a lot of concern that he's lying about this particular religion. Remember that his 'christian' church was basically a closet Mosque. And why did he change his name from Barry to Barack? That is a Muslim practice.
Posted by: ghy at August 19, 2008 10:33 AM (8jYMc)
...the religious domination of political life...
What the f'in hell is this supposed to mean? Sullivan has not just jumped the shark...he has jumped Shark Week.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 19, 2008 10:34 AM (B+qrE)
They were there, and telling the truth. Sullivan is just making shit up after the fact.
At least add scare quotes.
Posted by: someone at August 19, 2008 10:35 AM (2z2WN)
Senator Obama lies, bad when he wants to make political points. Up until this point he pretty well got away with it and it worked. His book even talks about how lying to white people about what he believes and wants to do is useful. That doesn't in an of its self make him a poor choice for president but the stuff he's lying about shows that he's trying to cover up what he really believes and thinks to pull the wool over voters' eyes because he knows they won't like what he really believes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 19, 2008 10:36 AM (0+Ggj)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at August 19, 2008 10:37 AM (Gdmbk)
I omitted "Swiftboating" from the headline. Scare quotes were intended, but not typed.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2008 10:37 AM (1WR4H)
But, as I said, I don't want to be confused on the point, so I made up the gobbely-gook word "Sand-Crossing" as a replacement.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2008 10:38 AM (1WR4H)
Posted by: ding at August 19, 2008 10:40 AM (/LC2y)
Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2008 10:41 AM (hlYel)
It applies a standard of truth that Sullivan just can't can't match. Perhaps a better term, borrowed from the term "short bus," is "short boating."
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2008 10:41 AM (DVVXZ)
Why was Obama registered as a member of the Islam religion at a Catholic school, if he was not? It's one thing to claim he was registered as a Muslim at a Muslim school just to avoid hassle and ostracism; but why conceal his true Christian faith at a bona-fide Christian school?
That's always the fun part. I think Obama would be fine if he were to admit that he was raised muslim for a time as a child. But he never wants to do that. There is this need to always keep him away from being a muslim at all points in his life. That feeds the "closet-muslim" perception I think. And not only does it do that but if it gets confirmed as true that he was raised muslim for part of his life then he becomes a proven liar. You know, along with all his other lies that makes him a proven liar. Its not like Catholics have a baby and start sending him to a synagogue.
"Hi I'm Barry O'Bama, and my white momma had a thing for Muslim men. My father was muslim and my step-father was muslim. So when I was growing up I didn't have much part in choosing my faith so I was brought up muslim. When the time came I could choose my faith I chose Christianity."
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2008 10:44 AM (Lrsi6)
Posted by: Judd at August 19, 2008 10:44 AM (BXHeE)
Because Obama's uncle was worried that Obama would get ass-raped by a priest if he was registered Catholic?
~ cough ~
~ crickets ~
/shuffle
Remember, tip your waitresses!
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 19, 2008 10:49 AM (NnAGL)
Posted by: Shaitan at August 19, 2008 10:50 AM (65WaW)
I looked at the orignal Kos diariest post that gave Andrew the tingle up his leg and the diarist never even linked to the "excerpt" he found on google <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/122230/161/239/569299">hat he stated was from "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn</a>
I guess the new rules are to make up shit out of whole cloth, link no supporting evidence and just pretend it's true.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 19, 2008 10:57 AM (LRJ8a)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/122230/161/239/569299
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 19, 2008 10:57 AM (LRJ8a)
Posted by: Javems at August 19, 2008 10:59 AM (hq71Y)
BumperStickerist: if he had grown up in the Philippines, or another majority-the-irrational-sort-of-Catholic country circa 1970, then however offensive it might sound that was, sadly, a legitimate concern.
But I seriously doubt any Christian priest would dare even look at someone funny in a Muslim country.
Posted by: David Ross at August 19, 2008 10:59 AM (GwV+j)
Posted by: Eleven at August 19, 2008 11:04 AM (7DB+a)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 19, 2008 11:08 AM (6L459)
You're kidding right? When did devoutness become irrational?
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 11:08 AM (Q1lie)
If a single false tale about one's religiosity is a disqualifier for the presidency, what do we make of Obama's serial lies about Jeremiah Wright and infanticide?
Also, if the nature of ones religion is so vital, what do you say of someone who openly oposes some of the foundations of their own faith as andy does?
Posted by: wickedpinto at August 19, 2008 11:08 AM (ul7te)
You used the word "inquisitor", which has a 'Q' in it. Which, as EVERYONE knows, is short for Queer.
Homophobe!!!!!11!1!!
Posted by: X Citable Andy at August 19, 2008 11:09 AM (ATBwB)
Andrew Sullivan has lied in a particularly disgusting and vicious manner. Am I the only one who recalls how much Sullivan used to like Mccain? Of course, that was before he was the nominee.
Posted by: ghy at August 19, 2008 11:11 AM (8jYMc)
The Conservative of Doubt must follow his lonely star, seeking the truth no matter the cost.
Unless of course, it shows that the Obama-lama-ding-dong is a lying, race-baiting, terrorist hugging, left-wing nitwit with the morals of Al Capone.
What an Obama-butt-boy.
Posted by: Evil Old Rich White Guy at August 19, 2008 11:16 AM (Tcw2v)
The story in question appeared in my book, A Cross in the Dirt,
which was published in 2002 by Simon & Simon and Shuster.
Hope that helps.
Posted by: Robert "Bob" Solzhenitsyn at August 19, 2008 11:16 AM (NnAGL)
if so, when did it get legally changed back to Obama, and why does his IL state bar registration list him as having no other prior names?
why is he listed as an Indonesian citizen? when did he, or his mom, renounce his US citizenship, and when did he become naturalized back to being a US citizen?
is someone that once had their US citizenship renounced and then restored through a naturalization a "natural born" citizen?
Posted by: chris at August 19, 2008 11:22 AM (A+Pqo)
hahahahahahaha
Oh man, Andrew owes so many people, on the left and the right, serious apologies. I guess I can't expect Andrew to apologize to Mccain for his accusation that he had a duty to check out himself. He said a story appeared in a book, but it wasn't there at all. Andrew attacked Mccain, in what Andrew himself admits are gravely serious terms, and Andy didn't do even a tiny amount of research... or was a liar.
Now some leftist blogs are claiming victory for debunking the 'reich-wing' myth that Solz. had a cross in the dirt moment. Idiots.
Posted by: ghy at August 19, 2008 11:23 AM (8jYMc)
majority-the-irrational-sort-of-Catholic country
You're kidding right? When did devoutness become irrational?
Uh, maybe when you do this every Easter.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 19, 2008 11:24 AM (cqaC+)
Go to Hell.
Apologies are for suckers (and I'm not talking about the good kind of suckers IYKWIMAITYD)
Posted by: St. Andrew of the Heartache (aka THE true conservative) at August 19, 2008 11:27 AM (hlYel)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 19, 2008 11:30 AM (evdj2)
There's nothing worse than sand in the Vaseline you know.
Posted by: David Byrne at August 19, 2008 11:32 AM (Q1lie)
First it was that someone who could coorborate the story from the time period needed to be interviewed. Orson Swindle was then labeled a liar of the first order.
Then, they said it needed to be established that McCain had told this between his time in captivity and 1999. And so on.
But no matter. Andrew Sullivan retails an unresearched bit of bullshit yet again and when the shit piles up 10 feet high on his nose he simply pooh poohs, blames everyone but himself and walks away.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 19, 2008 11:36 AM (LRJ8a)
This defines a whole country? A religion? What devoutness is?
Majority Catholicity is everyone nailing themselves to a cross?
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 11:36 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 19, 2008 11:36 AM (QxSug)
An idea for Utube campaign commercial, show Obama's stream of uh's and then say, yeah, I would accuse the other guy of cheating too.
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 19, 2008 11:38 AM (QxSug)
Rocks, noooo... I said the "irrational sort of Catholic". It's very possible to be a rational Catholic. Aquinas and (I think) Scotus taught that Catholicism was the pinnacle of reason. Erasmus by his life and works all but proved it.
But nailing yourself to a cross isn't at all rational. How does it help the poor in Manila? How does it convince non-believers "golly, this religion seems like the one for me"? Those guys are far, far from the standard of - lol - Thomas Aquinas.
I mean, that's basically a comparison between Debbie Frisch and Einstein. Batshit crazy on one side; genius on the other. Hmm. Which to choose from?
If I were going to choose between Catholic countries, I'd prefer - say - Portugal over - say - Guatemala. I'd better trust my kids to a Catholic school in, again, Portugal over Guatemala. This is supposed to be controversial?
Posted by: David Ross at August 19, 2008 11:53 AM (GwV+j)
They had to have his death fresh in their minds, since it was recent.
And it's kinda hilarious that the whole Joe Biden/ Obama crowd are accusing others of plagiarism.
Posted by: ghy at August 19, 2008 12:03 PM (8jYMc)
The world's only One True Conservative was wrong about something?
My entire worldview has been shattered. How can one possibly continue after this?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2008 12:07 PM (rf03a)
The world's only One True Conservative was wrong about something?
My entire worldview has been shattered. How can one possibly continue after this?
I think you have to accept the 'politics of doubt' which means that everyone in the world should doubt what they know and think except for of course, Andrew, who is the One True Conservative. But then I might be wrong about this...
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 19, 2008 12:13 PM (hn7Rm)
Posted by: hhuummbbeerrtt at August 19, 2008 12:16 PM (f7A+e)
Sorry David but the impression I get from that is either majority catholic or if I'm reading your response right 2nd and 3rd world catholic, is bad or irrational. Of Portugal or Guatemala I would say that on the whole the latter is far more devout than the former. Perhaps they cling to religion to much? To me you're suggesting that devout catholicity is irrational. I have some Portuguese and some Philippine priests, mostly devout but if I had to go with trusting my kid to the average one I would pick the Filipinos.
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 12:20 PM (Q1lie)
catholicity
Main Entry:cath·o·lic·i·ty Pronunciation: \ˌka-thə-ˈli-sə-tē, ˌkath-ˈli-\ Function:noun Inflected Form(s):plural cath·o·lic·i·tiesDate:1704 1 capitalized : the character of being in conformity with a Catholic church
2 a: liberality of sentiments or views <catholicity of viewpoint W. V. O'Connor> b: universality c: comprehensive range <catholicity of topics>
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 12:22 PM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 19, 2008 12:38 PM (TPRbZ)
Hey, wait just one minute here.
I thought that the righty blogs were dispelling the "myth" that Obama was a Muslim?
I keep reading on Instapundit that Obama was never a Muslim and that righty blogs were doing the yeoman's work that lefty blogs won't do to convince Mr. and Mrs. Middle American Racist that Obama not only isn't black (he's half-black), but that he was never a Muslim.
Now, Ace, you produce documentation that he was a Muslim.
So, which is it? Who's the liar here:
Ace or Glenn Reynolds?
Posted by: pollwatcher at August 19, 2008 12:39 PM (Ncq2X)
Another weirdness that jumped out of Sully's silliness is that he characterizes the cross incident as an "epiphany." How? That McCain who has very famously hated his guards (for good fucking reason) found one of them to be a Christian and as decent as circumstances allowed? It certainly wasn't a religious epiphany. McCain doesn't describe himself as discovering any religious truth by this incident. Calling it an epiphany is just strawman dressing.
As for Obama's registration for school, I'm thinking he didn't actually fill that form out himself and I don't think there's any question that a Muslim man married to what they inevitably think of as a "western whore" wouldn't take the religious upbringing of any children in the house as his duty. A central tenet of Islam is that all children are naturally born Muslim.
Apparently, his mom had a thing for Islami asshats. I mean, I'll happily be a racist and criticize Obama for being an underqualified bullshit artist. But I'm not gonna get all retarded about his mom and her boyfriends.
Posted by: Ronsonic at August 19, 2008 12:40 PM (ywSvi)
So, current truth is that anyone who says that Uhh-bama is a muslim is wrong with the implication that he never was a muslim.
The truth, it seems, is that he was at one point a muslim.
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 19, 2008 12:44 PM (QxSug)
Now, Ace, you produce documentation that he was a Muslim.
No. His father listed him as muslim when he enrolled him in an Indonesian school when he was 6 years old. I wouldn't consider that making him a muslim, since I don't think anybody under say the age of 10 can have a religion. They're not capable of understanding a religion or fully following its requirements.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 19, 2008 12:48 PM (hn7Rm)
>>>Ace or Glenn Reynolds?
Both. We all lie, sometimes in different ways, in a coordinated, pre-planned fashion. It's a "high-low" sort of play.
But everything we say is a lie.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2008 12:58 PM (1WR4H)
Posted by: He's not ace, I'm ace at August 19, 2008 01:01 PM (NnAGL)
Posted by: One of Those Concubine Robots from Star Trek at August 19, 2008 01:05 PM (1WR4H)
OT: The LA Times poll just solidified that Hill will be O's VP pick. Mark my words.
Do you agree Ace? No, not that Ace, the other Ace.
Posted by: Judd at August 19, 2008 01:09 PM (BXHeE)
Posted by: Lt. Ace, a Red Shirt, Screwing Around with the Robot Concubines at August 19, 2008 01:24 PM (1WR4H)
OT: The LA Times poll just solidified that Hill will be O's VP pick. Mark my words.
Do you agree Ace? No, not that Ace, the other Ace.
Posted by: Judd at August 19, 2008 06:09 PM (BXHeE)
Nope. It just proved that Hillary was right all along when she didn't jump on the opportunity to sail on the USS Obama starting in June. The Obama campaign begged her to accept VP at that time, and she said no. They tried putting out misleading info to the press that she was "demanding" the slot, and she still didn't accept their offer.
And this last poll makes is less likely that she would agree to be his running mate, not more likely.
Posted by: funky chicken at August 19, 2008 01:42 PM (xyyHG)
Posted by: Bart: at August 19, 2008 02:39 PM (mr1eR)
Andi Sullivan, Madonna, Frank Rich, my whorish ex-girlfriend...I'm afraid to say it guys, but I think there's mounting evidence that too much cocksucking makes you stupid.
Heh, "mounting"
Posted by: Ted K. at August 19, 2008 02:45 PM (u5SdO)
All of a sudden Andrew Sullivan thinks he's Paul Anka and he's all concerned about integrity? No, seriously? What a two-faced propagandist this Sullivan is. Shame on him.
Posted by: Bart: at August 19, 2008 02:49 PM (mr1eR)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 19, 2008 02:50 PM (evdj2)
The Left regularly appoints fellow-travelling 'tards as "conservatives" so they can quote them on NPR and say, "See? Even conservatives think thuggish right-wing stupidity on this issue is a scandal!"
Kevin Phillips and David Brooks are well-known examples of this species, Andi is just the one the Atlantic puts out.
Nobody in thier right mind takes him or his hateful prejudices seriously.
Except Ace. And he's just trying to get a date, seeing as Andi likes Bears.
Posted by: Spartan Fan at August 19, 2008 02:56 PM (7365r)
Posted by: luagha at August 19, 2008 03:00 PM (Dk9yX)
Really well written piece, I loved it!
St. Andi of the Milky Loads is a fraud!
He is a fucking tool of the left, a fucking fake, a whore, his sole purpose is to sell books or advertising space, on his employers terms.
You skewed him like a KY covered dildo sunk deep into Andis rectum. Rectum Ace? You damn near destroyed him.
Posted by: uniball at August 19, 2008 03:49 PM (27iEn)
Posted by: uniball at August 19, 2008 03:50 PM (27iEn)
Classic spin via Sullivan. Obama got his ass kicked by McCain. No ands, ifs, or buts. Well, one deeply reddened butt anyway. What's a committed sycophant to do? Change the subject at all cost.
The news cycle immediately after Obama's ass-kicking was a) McCain did so well that he must have cheated, and b) holy crap did Obama get his ass kicked - his cornhole is surely bruised. Team Obama and the MSM (but I repeat myself) had to staunch the bleeding and sent out talking points of "the cheat" and "the anecdotal lie." The goal? Cut short the newscycle of Obama's miserable failure at the forum and lengthen the spin cycle. Further, throw in some juicy talk/misinformation about Obama's VP selection as needed.
Classic distraction that requires hyperventilating, arm waving, and redundancy from the likes of Sullivan because Obama was so thoroughly dissed de-assed.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 19, 2008 04:03 PM (sI5Ho)
I'd love for Andi to get into Barry's fucked up childhood.
Could it be even a smallest bit of something we should care about in the makeup of the FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED WORLD?
Maybe, just a little bit important? No? Not really? His spending twenty. goddamned. years. at a church that is about ten thousand times more fucked up than Bob Jones U is not even the LEAST bit disconcerting to the Power Glute Hall Monitor of that that is all Holy and Catholic?
Not the least bit disconcerting Andi? Maybe Andi had a tag-team run in with Father Pfleger and Jerry Wright in the confessional?
That dude is a sick joke.
Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz Fucking Fuck Off Fuck at August 19, 2008 04:12 PM (sf4Oe)
Posted by: trentk269 at August 19, 2008 04:32 PM (WUM14)
NTTAWWT.
A few years ago, religious Christians used to have bumper stickers that read, "Kill a Queer for Christ". Many of those religious Christians are alive today.
Actually, I differ from Sully on one point. I do, in fact, love those religious Christians. But I deeply hate their baby-raping religion. It is not quite as evil as Islam, but still evil. I hate it like I hate Nazism (which also isn't quite as bad as Islam).
Lukewarm Christians rule!
Posted by: SuprKufr at August 19, 2008 04:34 PM (Xm81b)
Posted by: Chris Crocker at August 19, 2008 04:54 PM (RLBRw)
I don't know if he was Muslim, but I'd bet he banged his head on the floor doing salami-salami-baloney.
The real question is "Is he Christian?" If LDS is suspect because they believe crazy stuff, how does Trinity get a pass?
Posted by: agitater at August 19, 2008 05:01 PM (4omxE)
Posted by: marbles at August 19, 2008 05:26 PM (c3H+i)
I understand Andi was relying on Deep Throat for this tip.
Or maybe he was deep throating for a tip, something like that.
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