September 17, 2008
— Ace Looking back, it was all a pretty bad idea.
I'm keeping the threads, and you are welcome to read them and comment on them, but I want them off the front page. Too screedy, too angry. Too... honest, actually. Effective communication sometimes requires a bit of pretense.
I lost it. I am just so. Fucking. Sick of this shit. Screaming at these people that they're indecent does no good. They view their indecency as some kind of badge of authenticity and righteousness.
I thought the only thing that could possibly work is the shoe-on-the-other-foot proposition: If you believe these to be the rules the right should play by, let us see if you chafe and recognize the indecency of them when turned back upon you.
But it's not me. Or rather -- it is me, just not the pretend-me I'd like to put out to the public.
Anyway, links to the threads, now buried back in January 2005, below. Here's the "Important Question" thread.
Here's the one on RAWMUSCLGLUTES.
Serenity now. Serenity now
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Posted by: ahem at September 17, 2008 06:46 PM (jv53W)
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 17, 2008 06:47 PM (/GQkp)
A bit of humor helps the ugly go down.
Posted by: ace at September 17, 2008 06:48 PM (1WR4H)
Posted by: mare at September 17, 2008 06:51 PM (VelOd)
Posted by: Larry Schumacher at September 17, 2008 06:52 PM (vU0AN)
Posted by: lorien1973 at September 17, 2008 06:53 PM (fE4SP)
Posted by: East Bay patriot at September 17, 2008 06:53 PM (h/5U0)
Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 06:54 PM (o/KrO)
Understood.
And I think you're right to have vented and then let it go.
Still, when all of this reemerges after the election, it won't come as a surprise to anyone.
As far as Andrew Sullivan goes, just ignore him.
I have for almost 5 years and I feel fine.
Really, I do.
Try it, you'll see.
Posted by: MeTooThen at September 17, 2008 06:55 PM (O0Kyl)
Posted by: cthulhu at September 17, 2008 06:56 PM (FzSTG)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 17, 2008 06:56 PM (6+1FS)
Posted by: apotheosis at September 17, 2008 06:57 PM (xWk3U)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 17, 2008 06:58 PM (6+1FS)
We can still call Doug Stanhope a piece of shit, can't we, Ace? Can't we?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 17, 2008 07:00 PM (oFuWo)
Posted by: apotheosis at September 17, 2008 07:01 PM (xWk3U)
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 07:02 PM (3FVXC)
Of course you're angry, that's fine. Just post an update to each thread saying, that you've thought it over and don't think it's a good idea to ask the questions you asked. No harm, no foul.
Personally, I think it's relevant and legitimate to include a link to that Andrew Sullivan ad every time you mention him. The guy is a complete scumbag, and it would only be a service to people to learn how bad Sullivan really is. You're doing the universe a favor. If you were interviewing Sullivan on TV, you'd introduce him with that information to give the viewer a sense of balance on how distorted the guy is, because to omit that info would be a bias in Sullivan's favor.
I hate what they're doing too. There is no sense of our victory on the horizon. The left could win this way. And it's not just Sarah Palin, and her family, that they will destroy. We're ALL going to be burned to the stake once Obama is President and uses the law against us as he currently uses his supports to flare up against talk radio. We are the dead, if he wins.
I never did want to live forever anyway.
Posted by: Sydney Carton at September 17, 2008 07:02 PM (6N71/)
Erk, emo topic.
Although it pains me to admit it about that "just-sayin'" whiner, MeTooThen is right: RAWMUSLGLUTES is better off ignored at this point. But don't quit referring to his publisher as the "gay gossip magazine site".
Posted by: David Ross at September 17, 2008 07:03 PM (2H3ZQ)
Remember ace, a noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
Funny, I don't agree with the Dems on much. And I'm a squish on social isues. Big government is not my bag, baby. No worries, I can agree to disagree.
They, apparently, can't. Politics is personal. The subversion is complete. Five minute of hate and silencing of dissent is celebrated. Very strange stuff.
Regardless of who's in Washington my life goes on. With them we're always on fire away from the Fourth Reich. Mockery is a perfectly cromulent response.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 17, 2008 07:03 PM (4ZOxD)
You rock, as always, ace.
Posted by: Pavel at September 17, 2008 07:03 PM (/jsnH)
I'm not saying I'm wrong or you were wrong.
I'm just saying i don't want to put this forward.
Big difference.
Just because I want to sleep with a girl I just meant doesn't mean I say so when I'm shaking her hand. Honesty does not always equal propriety.
Posted by: ace at September 17, 2008 07:05 PM (1WR4H)
Posted by: Mephitis at September 17, 2008 07:05 PM (17pTk)
Posted by: Mr. Right at September 17, 2008 07:08 PM (+1Q/0)
Sullivan is a huge fucking meth addict.
I'm not saying that because I'm pro-ugly threads, I'm saying that because it's true.
Posted by: Hit the easy targets hardest at September 17, 2008 07:13 PM (8/0ME)
I know how you feel man. Sometimes this campaign and the shit that's going down reminds me of that dream- the one where you're screaming at the top of your lungs but no sound is coming out, and people around you are oblivious to your plight.
Ace, you need to go viral. Youtube.
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 17, 2008 07:13 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: Margaret Thatcher at September 17, 2008 07:13 PM (oo12K)
As a longtime reactionary blogger who often posts drunk, I applaud your taking the higher road, Ace. It's all fun to post "Tina McKellen of Iron Mountain, Michigan* is a two-bit whore and so is her yappy dog Skittles" after a bender, but when the haze clears, it was probably better left unsaid.
You're a hell of a blogger.
*An imaginary person and a town I've never been to, incidentally.
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:14 PM (3xgoE)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (SohFK)
More importantly, however, he's not up for election. And it's an important distinction, at least to my way of thinking; attacking his insanity can't be misconstrued as an attempt to smear a political candidate or sway the electorate - which is exactly what he's doing. And furthermore, you're not manufacturing rumors to do it...it's his own words and behavior.
To hell with sully. Bash him around all you like, but for god's sake just don't emulate him.
Posted by: apotheosis at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (xWk3U)
Just because I want to sleep with a girl I just meant doesn't mean I say so when I'm shaking her hand.
You gotta do it in a way that seems charming yet daring at the same time.
Try saying you really want to sleep with her sister.
I bet that would work.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (eiOZw)
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (/GQkp)
Posted by: rockhead at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (DvaIL)
Posted by: Gran at September 17, 2008 07:15 PM (mTWN+)
You made the right move in blasting these threads away. They were a bit too...erm, foamy-mouthed.
But then again I guess I've always been the David Brooks pussy-conservative of AoSHQ. You probably should ignore my opinion.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2008 07:17 PM (USS4v)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:18 PM (SohFK)
Posted by: Editor at September 17, 2008 07:19 PM (p4YSL)
Posted by: Gran at September 17, 2008 07:19 PM (mTWN+)
Jesus God, no. Have you ever SEEN Ace? This dude is not someone we want to see on YouTube videos. Now Rightwingsparkle...that would be a good friendly face to sell the product right there.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2008 07:19 PM (USS4v)
Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 07:21 PM (o/KrO)
Because we are more decent than them.
Do you know why it looks like we have better manners than them?
Because we do have better manners than them.
Mud is fun, and I'm a real bitch myself, but I just yell at the TV and shit.
My husband says I shouldn't say "c--t" so much when speaking of TV reporters.
Anyways.
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:21 PM (3xgoE)
Posted by: vinnie at September 17, 2008 07:22 PM (RHO94)
Best strategy for a recurring prisoner's dilemma is tit for tat (or technically, forgiving tit for tat).
We will lose if we don't return bad treatment in kind. This isn't theoretical.
Posted by: Hit the easy targets hardest at September 17, 2008 07:23 PM (8/0ME)
Eh. You're probably right. As I mentioned in the other thread, the Left's tactics vile smear tactics -do work-, but only when you take it up to saturation levels, when you do it so much and so constantly that people are just bulldozed into thinking "Dear God, with that much smoke, there must be a fire". Just doing it a little gets you the Palin backlash that never goes away. Keeping it up like they do, relentlessly, endlessly, makes the numbers go back down again.
I don't think any of us are capable of the kind of sustained hatred that would make it a worthwhile tactic. So we're gonna lose.
But seriously? I'll bring it back up in this thread. The one tactic we -needed- to emulate when the Left started it was that any conservative in a position of power that could influence who else gets hired or promoted into similar positions of power -had to- base those decisions purely based on ideology, not merit. The Left has been full McCarthyite (by their definition) since McCarthy, and they convinced us it was evil (when it wasn't). As a result, they got 95% control of 90% of the institutions in this country. I just hope the next time they work a tactic that unstoppable, we realize what they're doing and we match 'em, instead of letting them con us into giving up every hold we ever had on the culture in this country.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 07:23 PM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:23 PM (SohFK)
Posted by: notropis at September 17, 2008 07:23 PM (0iXnN)
I hear ya... I just fear that while we're patting ourselves on the back about our decency and manners, the Kossites and their ilk are winning elections.
Posted by: Gran at September 17, 2008 07:23 PM (mTWN+)
It's true. He admits it. What's the problem?
Who is going to watch the watchers? What standard are they to be held to?
Posted by: Ralph at September 17, 2008 07:24 PM (QZjCr)
Posted by: rockmom at September 17, 2008 07:24 PM (iZqUY)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:24 PM (SohFK)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 17, 2008 07:25 PM (6+1FS)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:26 PM (SohFK)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 17, 2008 07:26 PM (USS4v)
Posted by: koopy at September 17, 2008 07:26 PM (9gEre)
Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 07:26 PM (o/KrO)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:27 PM (SohFK)
At least you're willing to be angry. Many people can't seem to do that. Me...I just withdraw.
Posted by: Zettai Zettai at September 17, 2008 07:27 PM (Z9IOH)
Posted by: shrew_tamer at September 17, 2008 07:28 PM (q24mp)
Posted by: km at September 17, 2008 07:29 PM (HfOm0)
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2008 07:29 PM (SohFK)
When your entire platform is shite, you HAVE to sling mud and raise hell and act like a juvenile c--t, in all 57 states.
But when you actually have an intelligent and meaningful point to make, you don't have to act like a c--t. You can quietly but effectively state your case, and with dignity. When Sarah Palin nails Biden's cack to his leg in the debates, you can bet your ass she's going to do it with a smile.
People will come, Ray.
Ahhh, yes, people will come.
And you're damn right. They ARE c--ts.
Especially Keith.
But I have a kid who's like an African Gray parrot, except she hasn't learned how to crap on newspaper yet. (We're working on it, NYT.)
So I should lay off the foul language until after 9PM.
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:30 PM (3xgoE)
Posted by: Rasputin at September 17, 2008 07:30 PM (tunH+)
Posted by: Tony LaVanway at September 17, 2008 07:31 PM (aHH1C)
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:31 PM (3xgoE)
comparisons to the Taliban are apt. The ends most definitely justify the means. And like you wrote, they don't care if you don't like it. The only way you can successfully fight it is to raise the outrage level as was done to US Weekly. That guy probably has a secret service detail assigned to him, as perverted as that might seem.
Gays and extreme liberals will do anything to win. To them, it's a matter of protecting what godlessness they crave. In this way they do not differ from the Afghanistan people. Notice I dropped the Taliban pretense. Those people aren't suddenly reformed after 2000 years of societal retardation. No, they are condemned to be backward because of their widespread drug abuse. It's the same battle, some group fighting the rest of us for the right to be evil.
Posted by: pc at September 17, 2008 07:32 PM (S7zPk)
Here some fun to cheer everyone up:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2084795/posts
Obama campaign loses half of Michigan
Posted by: rockmom at September 17, 2008 07:32 PM (iZqUY)
Posted by: Mr. Right at September 17, 2008 07:32 PM (+1Q/0)
Posted by: East Bay patriot at September 17, 2008 07:32 PM (h/5U0)
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:33 PM (3xgoE)
I don't think that we have to sustain hatred, but I do think we must be determined to sustain pressure--on the MSM, their advertisers, media blogs, and our Congress. We must contact someone every day until the election is over, and after that, if we are wise.
And, we must pressure for some answers: Obamas records, all of them (academic, travel, birth, medical). We must push for the party's opposition researchers to tell us what they have found (and I guarantee they have found something). Bush lost to Clinton because he was too much of a "gentleman" to use information found by Mary Matalin against the Clintons.
Well, the stakes are higher now. I do not feel foolish saying that I believe American culture, traditions, identity, and existence are at risk.
Posted by: texette at September 17, 2008 07:36 PM (hpbLB)
Posted by: Frau Barbissiner at September 17, 2008 07:38 PM (ZKa49)
A valid point.
There's a yuuuge difference between McCain's silence of late and dignified attack.
McCain needs to put Obama's balls in a vice. Figuratively, of course.
He should have been shouting from the rooftops today "Fannie Mae! ACORN! Freddie Mac! ACORN!"
God knows, I'm hoping he's just loading an arsenal, but hurling a grenade in their direction once a day would please me greatly.
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 07:38 PM (3xgoE)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 17, 2008 07:39 PM (AZGON)
http://volokh.com/posts/1221704175.shtml#441228
which points to
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/873/5892040
I believe this person is going to have a very bad day tomorrow:
http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/house/members/h93.htm
Posted by: qwerty1 at September 17, 2008 07:42 PM (5Om7n)
This dude is not someone we want to see on YouTube videos.
Not without the tank.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 17, 2008 07:44 PM (yUzb2)
- that fucking Jefferson book people keep quoting.
"First and foremost, we must keep our hands clean as they attack our women and children. "
- half the people around here.
"Unless you're willing to do some dirt, you're gonna get buried in it."
- me, or maybe one of those cool guys from The Wire.
Okay, I'm done. Goodnight.
Posted by: Hit the easy targets hardest at September 17, 2008 07:45 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: ace at September 17, 2008 07:45 PM (1WR4H)
I guess it's because Sarah really is a good and decent person, one of us. It shines through everything she says and does. A real lady, and it's like we're standing by watching her get mugged in the street. Sometimes I almost feel like getting physically ill over it.
I don't blame you, Ace. You're a good man, vent whenever you need to.
Posted by: Jim62sch at September 17, 2008 07:47 PM (ubHgw)
I can understand anger at the evil bastards attacking the Palin's children. My God, I feel it. Read my several comments about that.
I can even understand fear and extreme dislike of Barack Obama. I believe he's an extreme leftist, socialist, dishonest about his past, pro-abortion, pro-infanticide for goodness sakes. There's a lot there to hate.
And it's possible his belief systems (and those of the hideous church he attended for 20 years) will rub off on his daughters and turn them into female versions of a nasty messed up sonofabitch.
But that hasn't happened yet and to go a bit Tolkien here, it's not for us to predict the future. Now they're children, we are adults, and they deserve our protection or at least our restraint.
Posted by: Christoph at September 17, 2008 07:49 PM (hawOV)
I'm glad that a sense of reality has returned to your senses...damn, I though you were headed down the same oat as Randy Andy Sully (especially with the picks of manglutes...THE HORROR).
Texette seems to be on the right track...we need to dig for the facts and truth about Barry O (the Media Ho) and his past dealings with his friends, connections with ACORN and Fannie/Freddie and others involved in the subprime mortgage fiasco. The info needs to be out there for real Americans to see and make an informed decision - not listed to Lindsey Loho, Pam (if my boobs were brains, I'd be a genius) Anderson and Babs...we need to be that conduit to get this out to everyone we know.
I would not be suprised if John and Sarah drop the political equivalent of a 100 megaton nuke on the Barry O adnd Joe show in the next few weeks. I'm also betting that Barry O will be so dysfunctional at the debates that it will be the equvalent of political seppaku on national TV.
Keep it clean, bro...don't slip on the banana and go down the path of the Kossacks, DU's and Arianna's ho's...have a fifth of Val-u-Rite and do some hobo hunting in the AM...
I'm gonna shave the rat brain so it's pron star smooth...then hit the rack with dreams of being Sarah Palin's love slave....
Posted by: Eeyore's Swinging Sack at September 17, 2008 07:50 PM (VYEVW)
good move ace. I agree that you should still call The Atlantic the gay gossip site. that's really funny. the questions post was in questionable taste, at best.
and I liked the NRO flame thread from a couple weeks back
Posted by: funky chicken at September 17, 2008 07:51 PM (xyyHG)
Posted by: apotheosis at September 17, 2008 07:51 PM (xWk3U)
Unfortunately, even though it is the prettiest part of our state -- only ten people live up there. Lowest population density in the country.
Posted by: mesablue at September 17, 2008 07:58 PM (5yNaE)
Sorta shoots your internet persona to hell.
Good on ya'. It's not like rolling around in the mud is really going to help anyway. It doesn't seem to be helping the anti-Palin squad, and they're much better at it than you can ever be.
Because they enjoy it.
Posted by: moviegique at September 17, 2008 08:00 PM (1y5Vr)
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 08:02 PM (3xgoE)
Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 08:03 PM (soVlK)
Posted by: Tina McKellen of Iron Mountain, Michigan at September 17, 2008 08:04 PM (o2slJ)
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 08:09 PM (3xgoE)
One of the worst consequences of the internet is that it has completed the conversion of certain vices into virtues. The anonymity permits us to express our darkest desires and rawest emotions. But it doesn't stop there. We're not only capable of performing Id dumps; we're rewarded for it. In the real world, running around screaming in incandescent rage at everything that gets in your way marks you as a lunatic. On the internet, it gets you on the front page of the Daily Kos.
Anger flourishes because we forget than anger is a sin. Sure, everyone gets angry, and we're not going to be able to control when something triggers feelings of anger inside us. Feeling that twinge of anger is involuntary, and it's not any more wrong than any other twinge of animal impulse. The vice - the sin of anger - is indulging it, nurturing it, allowing it or encouraging it to grow. That's a voluntary act, and one that's always wrong, even in service of a good end.
I used the s-word. You can chillax, though; this will be secular enough for everyone. The popular conception of sin is that it involves pissing the Flying Spaghetti Monster off. Yes, God doesn't like when we break the rules and sin. But what's really damaging about sin is not that God's going to throw us into a pit of fire because we've been bad boys and girls. Rather, sin is damaging because of what it causes us to do to ourselves.
Sin turns us away from what makes us men and towards what makes us beasts. There's nothing logical about indulging anger. We do it because it makes us feel good, because the part of us that's animal likes the way it feels. It's not irrational as much as it is pre-rational: it's a return to the time before when man evolved a conscience, before man had a soul.
"But my anger is in service of a good end, an end that I reasoned my way to," we tell ourselves. "Anger keeps me motivated and makes it more likely that the good end will be produced." Yes, anger will write a blog post that, through a chain of consequences, might just put your candidate over the top, and your smart, like-minded friends apprecate your passionate efforts.
But that anger still consumes you. Does anyone think that DUmmies or Kos Kids turn off their computers and go out into the world spreading sunshine and hugs? Is that even remotely likely? Or do they nurse their anger all day long, addicted to how good it feels, and lashing out at the guy who cuts them off in traffic or can't bag their groceries fast enough? Can they turn their anger off and be patient with their wives and children?
These people are miserable, even when they win. They need anger. It's a drug. They can't function without it. And like the pursuit of the next meth fix, pursuit of opportunities to vent anger can destroy your life.
Take Andrew Sullivan. (Please!) Here's a talented writer who's imperfect like the rest of us, but broadly respected for his openmindedness and thoughtfulness. Remember what happened in 2004? Bush came out against gay marriage, and Sullivan became consumed with anger. He still hasn't let his anger go. Now for all I know, he may be on the side of the angels on the gay marriage issue. No matter! His anger has ruined him. He's an impotent, bitter shell of his former self, and all he has left is anger. He lashes out day after day that's all that remains of him.
Now, as the guy who provided Ace with the link to Milky Loads' barebacking sites, I'm not going to tell Ace that he's out-of-bounds for putting those links up when HARDNSOLIDDC does something disgraceful. That has its place. But I will caution against doing that in anger, or indeed allowing anger to influence anyone's decisions. Sullivan, Olbermann, the Kos Kidz - they're all small people who have diminished themselves further with rage. They're killing themselves with anger. There's no reason for us to do likewise.
Let us be happy warriors. Let's fight for what's right, robustly if we have to. But let's not turn into animals as we do it. It's not about avoiding "sinking to their level" or being "no better than they are." Nothing at AoS will be worse than what RAWMUSCLGLUTES has done. It's about not letting the fight consume us. It's about emerging, win or lose, as free, rational people who are capable of all normal human emotions, including (most of all) love. Obama might win this one. God help us if he does. But we can weather that by remaining cheerful warriors, in control of our emotions, and refusing to destroy ourselves in a kamakazi attempt to win a political battle.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 17, 2008 08:09 PM (b/4jp)
Posted by: cthulhu at September 17, 2008 08:11 PM (FzSTG)
Posted by: moviegique at September 17, 2008 08:12 PM (1y5Vr)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 17, 2008 08:18 PM (czzYS)
That is if the feds actually do fucking something.
I'm reaching back in my wayback machine wherein the feds were shamed by the Sandy Berger judge in lightly inducing his ridiculous nothing of a sentence they were asking.
The judge increased the fine and his stripping of security clearances until he could serve in a Hillary '08 administration.
at least the judge attempted the modicome of spanking the DOJ for over the top feign prosecution, if that is saying much.
Or shall we revisit the light punishment the DOJ gave to the NON wayward DNCC member who was documented to steal Michel Steele's private information at Schumer's entrusted employees. The detail the FBI let out said straight up the employee was TOLD what to do with the SS# and what to get.
DOJ? FBI?
nada.
These organizations are in the pocket of the dem party and DO NOT have your interest in mind. Period.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 17, 2008 08:22 PM (KoJZf)
Catharsis? Isn't that what a doctor shoves up Sullivan's dick to get him to piss straight urinate?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 17, 2008 08:22 PM (oFuWo)
That said, Sullivan deserves no quarter. Do not let up on that worthless son of a bitch.
Posted by: Kensington at September 17, 2008 08:23 PM (xFNQx)
>Ace, you need to go viral. Youtube.
Jesus God, no. Have you ever SEEN Ace?
Who says Ace has to be the Face? We can hire some fresh-faced kid right out of college, put the smart boy glasses on him, and BAM. We're rockin'.
Pay no attention to that moron behind the curtain.
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 17, 2008 08:24 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: Kensington at September 17, 2008 08:25 PM (xFNQx)
I agree wholeheartedly.
There is righteous anger (such as Christ had with the moneychangers) and there is prideful anger, spiteful anger, hateful anger.
Righteous anger is that which is enkindled by a sense of injustice and imbalance.
And we should all embrace that sort of anger.
There should be no shortage of it in the next two months.
Posted by: Cathy in Chicago at September 17, 2008 08:25 PM (3xgoE)
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 08:33 PM (3FVXC)
Ace, I've used a recent thread as teaching material, I hope, to an old liberal mind. Gimme a day. Let the shoes be worn for 150 feet. We can't ask Libs for much to start.
Posted by: hpb at September 17, 2008 08:35 PM (iVWEG)
Posted by: David at September 17, 2008 08:43 PM (HAdov)
Posted by: J. Wilde at September 17, 2008 08:58 PM (ucJiT)
Posted by: Knemon at September 17, 2008 09:43 PM (KfWko)
Posted by: Knemon at September 17, 2008 09:44 PM (KfWko)
Andi's fucking useless to the election, and he's a marginal piece of queer trash ("gay" is too polite a term for the promiscuous, lunatic, disease-ridden filthbag). Do something that matters.
Posted by: old AOSHQ commenter (anonynmizer works!) at September 17, 2008 09:54 PM (5j/WX)
I used to believe in the high road, but no longer. Against the modern Left, fighting by Queensbury rules is simply incremental suicide. Unfortunately, there's knife work that needs doing.
There's a story (probably apochryphal) from the Holocaust about a German officer in one of the camps telling a Jewish prisoner: "The more we do to you, the less you believe we're actually doing it." Not an exact quote, but close. It's much the same with conservatives. The Left crosses a line, and conservatives rant and rave for a bit, yet never counterattack. And so a new level of acceptability is created, and the Left will push for more, knowing that they will never be pushed back.
In the main, there isn't enough pain we can inflict - rhetorical or otherwise - to ever even the score at this point. Elections are just holding actions - the nation slides more and more towards the Glorious Worker's Paradise.
I worked for the GOP in Congress for two years after the '94 revolution. Even then it was obvious that the GOP didn't have the stones for a real fight for the country's future - they would always accept whatever the new order established by the Left was. Prior to my time in DC, I had worked as a flunky for several campaigns, but after, no more. If they won't try, I won't be an accomplice to it.
I think that's the thing that has impressed me about Palin. Regardless of anything else, she has spirit and actually appears to *want* to cross blades with the Left. Rudy, too. His policies may not be the best, but at least he's willing to cut.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at September 17, 2008 10:36 PM (Tz2XN)
Posted by: falderal at September 17, 2008 11:02 PM (5j/WX)
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 18, 2008 01:37 AM (uOvAE)
Who were the plumbers and why were they bad again? My memory gets fuzzy.
/reminded of the olden days when Gordon Liddy popped up on my TV last night selling debt solutions or some such. Oh the humanity
Posted by: pc at September 18, 2008 04:28 AM (S7zPk)
Posted by: old AOSHQ commenter (anonynmizer works!) at September 18, 2008 02:54 AM (5j/WX)"
AMEN!
Posted by: Ann at September 18, 2008 05:19 AM (c3H+i)
Ace, I don't know if you're still reading all the way down here, but FWIW you did the right thing.
You simply can't fight this way. We don't have the high ground. For example: everyone digging for the vilest shit they can find in Alaska is doing so under the guise of legitimate questions about Sarah Palin. It's bullshit, but it's The Narrative. You, on the other hand, should any of your attacks on Obama gain traction in the MSM, are a (racist) agent of the (racist) right-wing smear machine who is making disgusting (racist) smears against the pure and noble Lightworker who rewrites history with every step he takes, you big racist-y racist.
We won't win on this ground. It won't work.
It's not that you don't care. We know that. Keep giving us lewd'n'crude, but keep your dignity.
mike
P.S. Sullivan is a cunt.
Posted by: INCITEmarsh at September 18, 2008 05:24 AM (ULsz9)
Here some fun to cheer everyone up:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2084795/posts
Obama campaign loses half of Michigan
Eh...it's negligible. There are only like 50 people and a few hundred head of moose living up there. Maybe he thinks the UP is one of his mythical 7 extra states?
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