July 23, 2008

The Thirty Five Biggest Cities in America, Ranked from Least Free to Most Free
— Ace

This is a Reason article, so the typical libertarian impulses inform the list.

Still, it's good reading.

Most paternalistic/socialist/fascist-dogooder city culture in America?

Chicago.

Wonderful.

Oh, Snap! "Cerebral Paul Z." writes:

If Reason still had the typical libertarian impulses, it would have been a better article. See if you can guess which category they left out.

Well-played, sir. Indeed, their criteria for freedom do not include anything at all about taxes, property rights, or freedom to practice a trade or run a business.

Which is a pretty deadly point about a magazine supposedly dedicated to "freedom." They're into the hot aspects of freedom, yes. The shit that fourteen-year-old boys think about. And that's about it.

I'm surprised they didn't include how young you can be before you get your learner's permit as a key consideration.

El Ricko puts it more directly:

Ah, Las Vegas. Of course the "Pot and sex! Gee, am I cool yet?" folks at Reason put Vegas, baby, Vegas at the top of the list.

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1 To quote Austin Powers:
"Viva Las Vegas, Baby! Yeahhhhh!"

Posted by: Log Cabin at July 23, 2008 01:01 PM (j7zrD)

2

I could have told you that.

It's odd the priority these dudes put on pot and sex. WTF?

Apparently none of them have heard of Aldous Huxley.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 01:07 PM (HgAV0)

3

Baltimore ranked #11 for sex. What they don't mention is that a year or so back it also ranked #1 for ugly people. So, yeah, you may be able to get 'lucky,' but only if you are blind or have very VERY VERY low standards.

As for me, my forearms may look like Popeye's but I've never dragged a brick.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 01:07 PM (Pl6My)

4 Reason.com loooooves their pot.

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 01:09 PM (zfNbl)

5 That out of the way, I do think the list makes sense, mostly.

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 01:10 PM (zfNbl)

6 If Reason still had the typical libertarian impulses, it would have been a better article. See if you can guess which category they left out.

Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at July 23, 2008 01:11 PM (lAS+u)

7 Ah, Las Vegas.  Of course the "Pot and sex!  Gee, am I cool yet?" folks at Reason put Vegas, baby, Vegas at the top of the list.  Gimme a break.  Sure, a lot of the laws our metropolises are passing these days -- bans on foie gras, are you kidding me? -- are ridiculous.  But I'd rather have a nation full of Chicagos and New Yorks -- you know, places that do have aspects of culture not associated with strippers, prostitutes, or gay magicians.  And the fact this is a survey that ranks the hell-hole Detroit in its top ten proves it's shit as a guide to any city's worth.

Posted by: El Ricko at July 23, 2008 01:14 PM (+St/Q)

8 Well, Detroit is a hell-hole.

And I've got to move there in 2 months.............................

Shit.

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 01:16 PM (zfNbl)

9 ABoLK:

Arrests for prositution are currently down in Baltimore, as well.  It might be because there's a killer(s) getting to them before the fuzz (five prostitutes strangled this year, including the step(?)-daughter of a former police commissioner)... but libertarians like private-sector solutions, right?

Posted by: El Ricko at July 23, 2008 01:17 PM (+St/Q)

10

As far as potential dystopia's go, Brave New World beats the others hands down. Seriously, if you had to live in a dystopia which one would you live in? The one based on fear and violent repression (aka 1984) or the one based on Sex, Drugs, 'n Rock'n'Roll (aka BNW)?

That you have to live in some kind of dystopia is, unfortunately, pretty much unavoidable at this point. Seriously. Have you kept up with the news at all? The world's a wreck, and only getting more wrecked. And more like 1984, which is worse.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 01:18 PM (Pl6My)

11 Cerebral,

I'm guessing taxes.

Posted by: right at July 23, 2008 01:18 PM (EquV1)

12

Erm..yeah... Detroit is a hell hole.

Chicago is nice, but it's like living with Nurse Ratchet. Vegas probably is better.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 01:21 PM (HgAV0)

13 Techie -- tough break, dude.  Good hockey team, though.

Posted by: El Ricko at July 23, 2008 01:21 PM (+St/Q)

14

BTW: I deny the inclusion of Jennifer Government as a dystopian society in the wikipedia list of dystopias, it only seems like one to nanny-state communist losers.

Ricko, the libertarian solution would be to allow prostitution to be a legal business enterprise and not something run (as it is now and has been for every single day the practice has been illegal) by murderous thugs. How odd that murderous thugs would behave murderously. After all, if you make prostitutes illegal, then only criminals will have prostitutes.

Like, duh.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 01:23 PM (Pl6My)

15 Brave New World always seemed prescient to me of some of the modern Liberals mindset.  All drugs and sexual experiences are allowed, even encouraged, as every other aspect of a person's life is micromanaged and pre-determined.

It's basically, "Give me your freedoms and I will give you pot and 'poon".

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 01:24 PM (zfNbl)

16

Seattle finished 2nd (or is that next to last) behind Chicago?!?  How did that happen?  Did they rank them before the total gun ban on city property?  Before outlawing cell phone use while driving?  Before the 20 cent tax on grocery bags?

I demand answers!

Posted by: AndrewsDad at July 23, 2008 01:27 PM (C2//T)

17

As far as potential dystopia's go, Brave New World beats the others hands down.

Well..erm.. you miss the point. You're afraid to live in 1984 and find Brave New World to be somewhat seductive? The deuce you say!

I think Huxley was more accurate and prophetic, in terms of governance, particuarly at least for the west and not the commies. And in the end he does present an almost neutral view of it.

However, when he wrote it at the time, he meant to shock people with some of those activities. This was in the 20's... The problem is nowadays, we've progressing right along so that the book isn't so shocking. He'd have to up the ante to bring it up to modern standards.

But while Huxley was more accurate in what they'd try, old-fashioned Orwell was still right about the only thing that works. And that's the problem with choosing between the two - BNW won't even deliver on all it's promise, unless you think technology finally -has- figgured out how to re-engineer human nature (and, though it scares the hell out of me, I must admit it might have).

But fear and violent oppression actually works.  It's not very nice, but it works.

So the Brave New World would just end up trending toward 1984 anyway. In reality, I think both tyrannies are the same - just seen from the prospective of different authors with a different focus - and in the real world you'll not ever choose between, but allways get, some horrible bastard hyrbid of the two.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 01:31 PM (HgAV0)

18 Part of the explanation for the omission may be that we're talking about cities, which get most of their money from property taxes (any young Reason hipster reading this is probably scurrying over to Google right now.)

Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at July 23, 2008 01:32 PM (lAS+u)

19 Having lived in Jacksonville, Memphis, and Atlanta, and having just returned from Vegas last night, I'd have to say yeah, those rank about right. Real shame about the pasties and booze in Memphis, though. Despite it's other glaring deficiencies, the city had great titty bars. Not gorgeous girls, but they made up for it in enthusiasm.

Posted by: Velociman at July 23, 2008 01:37 PM (1JsiE)

20

Seriously, if you had to live in a dystopia which one would you live in?

Farenheit 415.

Because, at the end:

There was a silly damn bird called a phoenix back before Christ, every few hundred years he built a pyre and burnt himself up. He must have been first cousin to Man. But every time he burnt himself up he sprang out of the ashes, he got himself born all over again. And it looks like we're doing the same thing, over and over, but we've got one damn thing the phoenix never had. We know the damn silly thing we just did. We know all the damn silly things we've done for a thousand years and as long as we know that and always have it around where we can see it, someday we'll stop making the goddamn funeral pyres and jumping in the middle of them. We pick up a few more people that remember every generation.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 01:48 PM (HgAV0)

21

Seattle finished 2nd (or is that next to last) behind Chicago?!?  How did that happen?  Did they rank them before the total gun ban on city property?  Before outlawing cell phone use while driving?  Before the 20 cent tax on grocery bags?

I demand answers!

Answer: They ranked them either way you please, but considering Chicago has banned guns everywhere, period full stop end of story. 2nd most oppressive gun laws in the country (1st, now that DC's was invalidated).

Also, I really don't know about garbage bags, but it is illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving here too. Especially if you're not wearing your seatbelt.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 01:52 PM (HgAV0)

22 Note the insanely long correction at the bottom.  Get on the ball, Matt Welch.

Posted by: Joe Marier at July 23, 2008 01:58 PM (dr1s2)

23 I should think Soldier of Fortune's annual full auto firepower demonstration and the Mustang Ranch would pretty much clinch it for the southern Nevada area.

Seriously, where else in the continental USA, within say a 100 mile radius, can you bask in the warm fuzzy feeling of a couple of hundred full auto weapons and cannon blasting away all day then follow that up with a night of hookers, booze and blow?

Now, if they'd just move that 700' bridge in West Virginia to Nevada, so you could throw a few BASE jumps on the agenda for the day, it would really be complete.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 23, 2008 02:04 PM (uhncL)

24

There was some Stallone flick (first time I saw Sandra Bullock) that I've forgotten most of, but I do remember that Dennis Leary had an awesome anti-nanny state rant in it.

And, yes I say "The Deuce." NTTAWWT, as the young'uns say. I tend to agree with you, there is a parallel motion towards both, but -- as you say -- seduction isn't quite as effective as terror. Also, I don't think the degree of human engineering BNW included (especially the gammas, deltas, and epsilons) is applicable since we have automated machines to do that kind of work, which Huxie-boy hadn't really forseen at all. He did write a utopian version with the same kinds of premises later, after he started dropping acid. I also think he overestimated the need to eliminate the family, as well, which I found to be probably the most dys- part of the -topia.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 02:05 PM (Pl6My)

25 #24,

Demolition Man?

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 02:11 PM (zfNbl)

26 You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

Edgar Friendly, (as played by Denis Leary)

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 02:13 PM (zfNbl)

27 The folks at Reason thought we meant Librarian. I guess those mousey chicks with the glasses like their hot sex and pot.

Posted by: Roy at July 23, 2008 02:18 PM (o6nEq)

28

Ricko, the libertarian solution would be to allow prostitution to be a legal business enterprise and not something run (as it is now and has been for every single day the practice has been illegal) by murderous thugs. How odd that murderous thugs would behave murderously. After all, if you make prostitutes illegal, then only criminals will have prostitutes.

 

Just don't confuse legalizing with "decriminalizing" like San Francisco is attempting.

Posted by: Max Power at July 23, 2008 02:18 PM (q177U)

29 The fact that San Francisco is trying to do something is support for the proposition it's an expensive, counterproductive, and downright stupid thing to do.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 23, 2008 02:27 PM (eSqCK)

30

The fact that San Francisco is trying to do something is support for the proposition it's an expensive, counterproductive, and downright stupid thing to do.

 

I live about 30 miles away. They are turning that place into a shit hole. I love a good bong hit as much as the next guy but pot clubs+sactuary city+decriminalized prostitution=Reason magazine's favorite city to get mugged in.

Posted by: Max Power at July 23, 2008 02:39 PM (q177U)

31 What San Fran is doing is the worst way of doing it. De-criminalization is, as Max Power (great name BTW) notes, something different. It's just legitimizing the murderous thug aspect, which isn't an improvement at all.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 02:43 PM (Pl6My)

32

Also, I don't think the degree of human engineering BNW included (especially the gammas, deltas, and epsilons) is applicable since we have automated machines to do that kind of work

Well, that part is probably doable. We can certainly intentionally retard people as it sits right now.

But even beyond that - while Soma might be a derivitave of Opium no drug we currently have can produce those sustained effects without having issues with increasing tolerance levels and serious health effects. Moreso (much) then Soma, at least, which did still have a bit of that. Specially not any that are that effective, or lack the downtime and side effects.

And beyond that, there's little to absolutely no deviation in BNW. No crime. At all. No rebellious behavior just to be rebellious..  Not alot of lazy people that just fuck up out of incompitence. Our brain washing/social conditioning is not quite that effective yet.

And they didn't have cameras all over the place or anything. The Distopyia of BNW is fairly Utopian - that's the unrealistic parts. The Dis- parts are quite fricken believable. Whether or not it would really work so flawlessly...

And once you have a Brave New World, but some goddamn yobs keep committing crime anyway, because it turns out once you fulfill all their basest desires for sex and drugs and totally saturate them, instead of becoming fulfilled and content worker zombies they just become more depraved and your book turns into A Clockwork Orange all over the streets.

The liberal ideas about the utopian results of such things run afoul of human nature (at least with current tech).

Farenheight 415 uses the same kind of populace control - it constantly distracts everyone with superficial pleasures. (Although it keeps them all stupid and illiterate like 1984). Drugs. Attachment to TV screens. It's basically swept death under the rug because that might upset some people. But I think, in terms of human nature, it's much more realistic.  The thing is, despite the same sort of society (whatever you want, nothing unwanted ever happens, everyone is allways happy), no one in this book is actually happy at all. They're just... manic. They're not happy so much as in denial. They're all racing toward death in some attempt to keep the stimulus and the distractions going, reckless, destructive. Frustrated. Depressed. Any given one of them is 2 inches away from a complete mental breakdown, they just don't know it.

And they've got rebels and anti-socials running around, and so they've got an orwelling undercurrent of 'firemen' running around too.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 02:46 PM (HgAV0)

33 What is the list? Offshore gambling and Porn? Sounds like they'd get along great with the cultural marxists.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at July 23, 2008 02:59 PM (xYZnQ)

34
Chicago isn't fascist, it's medieval. As in, the peasants can't own or use weapons. Only the nobility (i.e., Daley and his minions) are allowed to bear arms. The rest of us peasants have to bow down, fork over our property taxes, and STFU.

It's just as bad in the rest of Cook County, BTW.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at July 23, 2008 03:05 PM (MRV8e)

35 No doubt in my mind here.  Living in Chicago now for two years, things are utterly ridiculous.  I'm finding out more and more every day things that have been done in this city to restrict freedoms.

Posted by: conservativeinthecity at July 23, 2008 03:11 PM (vqbP7)

36 After all, if you make prostitutes illegal, then only criminals will have prostitutes.

This argument gets silly quick.  "If you make stolen goods illegal, then only criminals will have stolen goods."  As if nothing but the mere fact that a commodity is illegal (rather than the commodity's nature, and the nature of those who deal in it) causes crime and abuse to gather to it.   Legalization would not be the kryptonite to the murderous thugs that some of the more outlandishly optimistic libs (-erals and -ertarians) expect it to be.

Despite that (and given that even a restrictionist like myself admits that criminalization has many, and sometimes severe, unintended consequences), I would accept arguments for the legalization of drugs long before I accept the same for prostitution.  Legalization folk lean far too heavily on the history of Prohibition for talking points, but the lessons of that era are at least analogous to the Drug War, in that we're talking about things used for pleasure.  What prostitution is, though, is the use of people for pleasure -- not just the commodification of sex, but the commodification of women.  If that alone doesn't give you pause, consider that the Netherlands' experiment in legalizing, well, everything has not stemmed but rather fed the trafficking of prostitutes from Eastern Europe and elsewhere.  (Back in 2000 a Dutch minister even mentioned that perhaps there should be a quota of foreign prostitutes in the Netherlands -- an appeal to multiculturalism, born of some marriage of bureaucracy and sleaze, that surely must be kin to the Antichrist.)

Best case scenario from the legalization of prostitution?  What we certainly wouldn't be looking at would be an enterprise suddenly transformed from pimps and thugs into all Milton Friendman and business suits.  What you would do is add a morally questionable, at best, occupation to the orbit of low-paying, manipulative, and abusive arrangements that draw (illegal) immigrants willingly and not to the U.S.

In other words, someone could add turning tricks to the list of jobs Americans just won't do.

Posted by: El Ricko at July 23, 2008 03:14 PM (+St/Q)

37

Well, that part is probably doable. We can certainly intentionally retard people as it sits right now.

It's called 'Television.'

And beyond that, there's little to absolutely no deviation in BNW. No crime. At all. No rebellious behavior just to be rebellious.

Not exactly true, Mustafa Mond (the European Controller guy) pretty much hints that among the Alphas there was a fair amount of rebelliousness, but they were sent off to Iceland, the Falklands or other isolated areas where they could do their own thing. Also he implies that such people are also considered for the leadership positions.

You are right, though, that the system in BNW is hopelessly utopian in that human nature is innately perverse. Even if you take care of everything that someone needs, there will always be some additional need that comes out of nowhere to become a problem. so, yeah, unrealistic.

I'll have to pick up the Bradbury book, I hadn't read that one. Martian Chronicles soured me on him a bit. I know the used book place'll have one for cheap.

 

Also, thanks to the people who reminded me of that movie's title and the classic rant.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 03:15 PM (CnrIa)

38 Did anyone check the age of consent in those cities? That probably features pretty high in the Reason magazine metric.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 23, 2008 03:29 PM (0+Ggj)

39

re: prostitution.

Sex traffic exists already, you just don't see it. It's there. It's always been there, it will never not be there. You can legalize prostitution without legalizing forced sexual slavery. And, yeah, it'll always be a skeezy business with skeezy people; like porn. But it would allow for the bulk of it to be done in the open, so many if not most of the more outrageous abuses can be more easily caught.

Porn used to be a big money maker for the Mob. I'm sure they look at that industry now and pray for it to be forced back underground again -- it's a billion dollar business.

The bottom line is that the law can never and will never prevent -- it can only punish. There is no behavior that you will ever stop by making it illegal. That doesn't mean you make everything legal -- that's stupid. Anything that impacts someone without their informed consent is fair game to be made illegal in my book -- that would cover murder, rape, theft, fraud, etc. because that kind of thing MUST be punished. But if some girl willing trades her dignity for a 10 spot, well, sure she's got issues, but why should she be punished? Now, if some guy forces her to do it and then takes the money, he's a criminal and should get a beat down.

What San Fran is doing that is so stupid, is that it isn't making the girl's part of the transaction any more legal than it is now -- so it will still be furtive, it will still be hidden, it will just now be more profitable for the pimps and traffickers. So, yeah, if you think SF is being completely dumb, then I agree with you.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 23, 2008 03:30 PM (CnrIa)

40

Reason Magazine ?  HAH.  Just try reading any of their articles on "the illegal immigration problem".

Oops!  But you can't.  Because their articles are always about "the so-called immigration problem".  And why letting millions of illiterate peons in the US is good, very good.   Apparently everyone should be free to live anywhere they want --- even though none of Reason's editors have been seen decamping for Mexico City.   Because life is goooooood in the US when you can hire sweet little Guatemalan chiquitas to climb into clean your bunk.  Cheap.

Unfortunately I'm stuck with a subscription with two years left to run.   When copies arrive, I scan them for what little interest I can find, then I jam them under bookcases and doors requiring a shim.

18 months ago one of their editors left in a huff, to take a job with  (wait for it!) the ....LA Times. 

I wonder how that's working out for him.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: fulldroolcup at July 23, 2008 03:51 PM (4JvGP)

41 Houston is among the freest cities in the world when it comes to doing what you want on your land.

It's ridiculous that Houston is nearly last, and for the sole reason that there aren't any casinos nearby.  Read the Houston listing.  they basically admit that Houston is freer in the freedom sense, but shit, where's the blackjack?

Posted by: ghy at July 23, 2008 03:53 PM (8jYMc)

42 Portland got #7? And a mention about how good they are about guns? HAHA!

Oregon is open carry. Portland isn't. You can't even carry an unloaded, locked in a case AR through Multnomah county (which is mainly Portland) legally. It has to be disabled. And then locked up. And it better be in your cars trunk. Or else. Portland PD is notoriously anti Second Amendment.

Reason turned in some shoddy homework. F! For FAIL!

Posted by: Hemp Necktie at July 23, 2008 04:04 PM (ZdlDU)

43

If you do pick it up, Atom Bomb, just make sure you get a copy that has a Coda in the back by Bradburry, added after he caught a few school districts and publishers censoring the damn's and crap's out of his (anti-censorship) book without his consent, and goes on a wonderful rant on the ideological underpinnings of the book that is worth the cost of the book in itself.

But, she added, wouldn't it be a good idea, this late in time, to rewrite the book inserting more women's characters and roles?

A few years before that I got a certain amount of mail concerning the same Martian book complaining that the blacks in the book were Uncle Toms and why didn't I "do them over"?

Along about then came a note from a Southern white suggesting that I was prejudiced in favor of the blacks and the entire story should be dropped.

Two weeks ago my mountain of mail delivered forth a pipsqueak mouse of a letter from a well-known publishing house that wanted to reprint my story "The Fog Horn" in a high school reader.

In my story, I had described a lighthouse as having, late a night, an illumination coming from it that was a "God-Light". Looking up at it from the viewpoint of any sea-creature one would have felt that one was in "The Presence".

The editors had deleted "God-Light" and "in the Presence."

Some five years back, the editors of yet another anthology for school readers put together a volume of some 400 (count 'em) short stories in it. How do you cram 400 short stories by Twain, Irving, Poe, Maupassant and Bierce into one book?

Simplicity itself. Skin, debone, demarrow, scarify, melt, render down and destroy. Every adjective that counted, every verb that moved, every metaphor that weighed more then a mosquito - out! Every simile that would have made a sub-moron's mouth twitch - gone! Any aside that explained the two-bit philosophy of a first-rate writer - lost!

Every story, slenderized, starved, bluepenciled, leeched and bled white, resembled every other story. Twain read like Poe read like Shakespear read like Dostoevsky read like - in the finale - Edgar Guest. Every word of more than three syllables had been razored. Every image that demanded so much as one instant's attention - shot dead.

Do you begin to get the damned and incredible picture?

How did I react to all of the above?

By "firing" the whole lot.

By sending rejection slips to each and every one.

By ticketing the assembly of idiots to the far reaches of hell.

The point is obvious. There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist / Unitarian, Irish / Italian / Octogenarian / Zen Buddhist, Zionist / Seventh-day Adventist, Women's Lib / Republican, Mattachine / FourSquareGospel feels it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse. Every dimwit editor who sees himself as the source of all dreary blanc-mange plain porridge unleavened literature, licks his guillotine and eyes the neck of any author who dares to speak above a whisper or write abvoe a nursery rhyme.

Fire-Captain Beatty, in my novel Fahrenheit 451, described how the books were burned first by minorities, each ripping a page or a paragraph from this book, then that, until the day came when the books were empty and the minds shut and the libraries closed forever.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 04:19 PM (HgAV0)

44

The book was written before 'PC' existed, but I think it's basically a parable about what PC is, and where it goes.

The dystopia of the novel comes about because people want to be happy, and the government want's the people's approval, so the government's job is to make people happy.

Every book is burned because every bit offends someone. Education itself is cast away because aspects of it are uncomfortable. Even death is swept under the rug - there's no funeral, no notice to relatives even. The person just stops showing up one day, and eventually you forget about him. Because funerals would upset people.

But what I mean by saying the people are not really happy at all, it is because thier lives are hollow.  They subsist entirely on shallow distractions meant to give momentary and instant pleasure and gratification.

And that's the aspect of BNW that scares me.

Like Huxley said, in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distraction.

Posted by: Entropy at July 23, 2008 04:34 PM (HgAV0)

45 Obamatown FTW.

Really, not surprising.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at July 23, 2008 05:06 PM (XSmBC)

46 Lousiville #4! Sweet. You know, with all our bourbon, tobacco, and horse racing, we had to place high. And Kentucky ain't gonna outlaw guns anytime soon. That said, the shallowness is evident in their analysis--less libertarianism and more libertinism. A nation chock full of Vegas or Miami style decadence could not long stand.

Posted by: Lee at July 23, 2008 05:43 PM (+kJAy)

47

That magazine used to be so much more grown up...and readable.

Then they just got cunty.

Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz BigNuts at July 23, 2008 05:44 PM (sf4Oe)

48 It's a pity they only ranked the 35 biggest, as I suspect all big cities skew toward the statist side of things, more or less by definition.  For real libertarian chops, they should be ranking the 35 largest unincorporated areas.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 23, 2008 05:55 PM (/sBy4)

49

Well, Detroit is a hell-hole.

And I've got to move there in 2 months.............................

Shit.

Posted by: Techie at July 23, 2008 01:16 PM

 

The suburbs that are north and west of Detroit are just fine. You'll commute into work and have no problems, although you'll curse the traffic jams every day. And technically, Detroit isn't a hell-hole, it's a Third World County with volunteer work being done by suburban groups that are essentially "Aid Organizations."

Posted by: shibumi at July 23, 2008 06:01 PM (tZB/c)

50 That magazine used to be so much more grown up...and readable.

That was because Virginia Postrel used to be the editor. Once Mr. Leather Gillespie took over, it just became about drugs and pot and more liberaltarian than anything else.

Posted by: StevefromMKE at July 23, 2008 06:03 PM (gBGtF)

51 I know this is kind of unpopular but I really like the SLC metro area, from Ogden to Provo. It seems to be run pretty well, somewhat pro business, is inexpensive enough to live and work in while maintaining a nice quality of life.

Granted booze is controlled by the state, but big deal, I can still get it. No gambling, but Nevada (my beloved nevada) is right next door. Pussy?  Hell, you can get pussy anywhere, even in SLC.

Guns?  no better state/city for gun nuts.

What would be ideal is the skiing of SLC next to the city of Vegas.  Until then I shall enjoy my condo in Park City and my condo in Vegas.

Posted by: uniball at July 23, 2008 06:28 PM (27iEn)

52 If it's from Reason and doesn't include Kerry Howley cheesecake photos, I pretty much ignore it.

Which is to say, I pretty much ignore Reason.

Posted by: leon Hussein caruthers at July 23, 2008 06:40 PM (JSO4h)

53

There's not a dime's worth of  difference between the giggling little asshats who thought it would be a good joke to mess with Boston's rush hour  and the pseudo-intellectual assclowns who run "Reason" magazine.

They think they're the intellectual descendants of anarchism.

Instead, they're the unacknowledged progeny of  Abby Hoffman.

EVERYONE KNOWS how powerful his influence has been on American life.

Oops!  Sorry! If Hoffman influenced you , you are probably as dead as he is.  From dope, or liberatarian indulgence.

Yippee, Reason!


 

Posted by: fulldroolcup at July 23, 2008 06:43 PM (4JvGP)

54

#40 fulldroolcup: You got it. Like the greedheads at the Wall Street Journal, the "Reason" crowd just does not get it. You would think they, of all people would remember Lenin's observation that when the time came to hang the capitalists, the capitalists would sell Lenin's goons the rope with which to do it.  (Or import the Latino underclass to vote in banana-republic socialism, as the case may be today.)

"Reason" has a "mouth or anus" view of freedom. That is, they view freedom as the ability to put anything in their mouths or shove anything up their anuses without consequence. The Left views "freedom" in a similar fashion, except they understand that there *are* consequences, and so they demand the "freedom" to take from the rest of us when the inevitable consequences occur. I actually respect the Leftists more than the Big "L" Losertarians, because they are much more honest.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 23, 2008 07:45 PM (kP7wk)

55 The greatest philosophers of freedom concerned themselves with the notion of what man could become if he owned the land on which he lived, received the fruits of his toil and was permitted to consider and communicate such ideas as he wished. To judge by the linked article, the proponents of libertarianism at Reason seem to have embraced "polymorphous perversity" as their guiding principle instead.

Posted by: Glen at July 23, 2008 08:09 PM (HX/9W)

56 Can you imagine the rank stench of ancient pot smoke that wafts off of Nick Gillespie's leather jacket??  Blech...

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum at July 23, 2008 08:27 PM (YacaW)

57 Don't forget, thanks to gambling, Nevada has no income tax, and other taxes are low. 

So, even if business and economic conditions are accounted for, Las Vegas still wins.

Posted by: DelD at July 23, 2008 08:38 PM (49LqL)

58 Still waiting for a change and the top at Reason.  Gillespie has wrecked the reputation of that publication.

Posted by: John Galt at July 23, 2008 08:47 PM (Ylv1H)

59

Sorry, but Detroit is a hellhole.

The state isn't much better, cept in pockets.

Be prepared for many, many hidden taxes, such as, having to get new tires for your car when you drive over a crater right in the middle of a fucking major road, wrecking you car because they can't yet figure out how to keep roads clean ALL OF THEM, in the winters, and they don't mark them so you can see the road in the summer, a stupid tax collecting seat belt law that will be enforced even if you're driving to church, and are right outside the church, cops who must keep the town coffers filling up no matter what, crime where you'd least expect it, dirtbags all over the place, a shitpile city that sucks every single worthwhile dollar out of the good parts of the state, and on and on.

Good thing the craft beer business is booming.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at July 23, 2008 09:18 PM (vFeQi)

60

So, Jacksonville lacks in freedom due to our red-state morality against drugs and prostitution?

Is that it?

Is that all you've got?

Frankly, if you're tossing around insults and our distate for drugs and prostituion don't cut it for you, then, well, swing away.

We can take it.

 

Posted by: jmflynny at July 23, 2008 10:38 PM (9ONZQ)

61

#40 fulldroolcup: you got it.

Like the greedheads at the Wall Street Journal, the "Reason" crowd just does not get it. You would think they, of all people would remember Lenin's observation that when the time came to hang the capitalists, the capitalists would sell Lenin's goons the rope with which to do it.  (Or import the Latino underclass to vote in banana-republic socialism, as the case may be today.)

"Reason" has a "mouth or anus" view of freedom. That is, they view freedom as the ability to put anything in their mouths or shove anything up their anuses without consequence. The Left views "freedom" in a similar fashion, except they understand that there *are* consequences, and so they demand the "freedom" to take from the rest of us when the inevitable consequences occur. I actually respect the Leftists more than the Big "L" Losertarians, because they are much more honest.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2008 12:02 AM (kP7wk)

62 Sounds like a libertine publication, not libertarian.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2008 02:24 AM (8NA4k)

63

Houston scored a 10 on guns? and 23 on sex?  You can't step out of your door without tripping over a men's club or massage parlor whose owners and patrons are both carrying. Both catergories are definitely closer to a 2.  

And as someone state above, property rights are a 1.    

Posted by: polynikes at July 24, 2008 08:57 AM (m2CN7)

64 Moved to Vegas from Detroit. Both. Suck.

Posted by: Modgi at July 24, 2008 08:59 AM (VO+Z8)

65 Lee, you've got Mayor Jerr in Lousville, which by all rights should drop the 'Ville to the bottom.  Not to mention that whole little episode where the city just swallowed up the whole of unincorporporated Jeffereson County in one fell swoop - for the increased tax revenues.  Yeah, that's real libertarian right there.

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66

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