September 02, 2008

Surprise! NBC and CBS Refuse to Air Thompson Speech; ABC Only Begins Running It Well Past Best Parts
— Ace

A truncated three-day convention.

And they have fucking better things to air than the highlight speakers.

Talking to Democratic politicians. And talking about Bristol Palin.

Outrage.

Posted by: Ace at 05:34 PM | Comments (130)
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1 C-Span, baby. The Cobra in full effect.

Posted by: railwriter at September 02, 2008 05:35 PM (XcsD4)

2 Yep, I was noticing that.  I was watching the live blog on HA, so I flipped on TV.  When Fred came on, NBC was covering something else (I can't remember what.)  CBS cut to a reporter on the floor, so I could hear the crowd cheering behind her, but they went to a video tape about Bristol.  At least ABC mentioned that Senator Thompson was speaking, and that they would get back to him after commercials.  Course, once they came back, they decided to chat a bit longer before running a 'Moments Ago' part of his speech.

Posted by: Tunakermit at September 02, 2008 05:40 PM (Vo+i6)

3 NBC and CBS*

*Fully owned subsidiaries of the DNC.

Posted by: Reiver at September 02, 2008 05:40 PM (s7h/P)

4 I'm actually watching on PBS. WTTW.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 05:43 PM (HgAV0)

5 Obama gets wall to wall and The Fred gets the shaft.  Typifunckingcal

Posted by: MAJHAM at September 02, 2008 05:44 PM (KP5aP)

6 TIme to just turn these assholes off. Boycott them into oblivion, make sure that the new TV season tanks . I loathe them all.

Posted by: mbruce at September 02, 2008 05:45 PM (h/5U0)

7

Fricken media does not like Fred Thompson!

True fact about Fred Thompson:

If Fred Thompson got pregnant with Levi Johnston's baby it'd be on page 16.

IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 05:45 PM (HgAV0)

8 I want a fight, damn it. Fred is doing the McCain bio, the small government thing, yadda, yadda, yadda. When the H*ll is someone going to go after the Palin smears? She's the center of the campaign as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: chuck at September 02, 2008 05:46 PM (Eyhsk)

9 Suckers of Cock

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 02, 2008 05:46 PM (evdj2)

10

PBS - I am watching there.  They showed ALL of the special videos for the Democrats.  Part of one tonight. 

And the Republicans they get to talk about the convention?  Michael Gerson and Christine Todd Whitman?  Things that make you go hmmm.

 

 

Posted by: blaster at September 02, 2008 05:47 PM (KpEAZ)

11 Actually, that sums up Fred's treatment by the media all year.

Posted by: someone at September 02, 2008 05:47 PM (2z2WN)

12 I got sick of Campbell Brown. Lord, that woman is insufferable.

Posted by: railwriter at September 02, 2008 05:48 PM (XcsD4)

13 Indeed, someone.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 02, 2008 05:48 PM (TO2rG)

14 Oh, and David Brooks?  NYT have his balls in a jar somewhere. 

Posted by: blaster at September 02, 2008 05:49 PM (KpEAZ)

15 NBC? ABC? CBS?

They're still around? I haven't watched them for years so I could care less what they do.

Posted by: Aaron at September 02, 2008 05:51 PM (2S1LU)

16

Once, every few years, the networks run an ad indicating that their FCC licence is to be reviewed, and the public is invited to comment. 

IIRC, the ad is usually run during the local news. most frequently after 10:00PM.

Wait and watch for it. When you see it, follow the instructions, and comment to the FCC.

Tell the FCC how your local channel ran the entire DNC, yet missed the most RNC speakers.  Tell them how this constitutes a political endorsement, real political bias, a public disservice, and general tampering with the political process and election.

Doubtless, they will claim that they ran only what they were given, but this is doubtfully true; they have much influence with the major networks.  Besides, we all know that stations send reporters to cover events elsewhere, we've seen this many times.

Try to get them shut down; no licence, no broadcast and no broadcast, no revenue. 

Doubtless they will claim that they should be given another chance, that this won't happen again.  We know the truth.  Push hard.  Even if they are not shut down, the realization that there are people who will force the issue will force them to try for some sort of balance.

Don't forget their local advertisers, and very large advertisers.

If you can get your local station to do balanced reporting, then you might have to support them when others try to shut them down.  This is the American way.

 

 

Posted by: Arbalest at September 02, 2008 05:51 PM (1j+ex)

17 Communists need to control the media first...check

You know they want to start controlling the internet too right?

Posted by: lemmiwinks at September 02, 2008 05:56 PM (Qv6BF)

18 These jaggoffs been sucking O-dick so hard and fast they got blisters on their tonsils.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 02, 2008 06:01 PM (6L459)

19 Is legal action possible since the networks didn't give equal time?


Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 06:02 PM (eGRG+)

20

To quote Steve Stifler: Fuck the fucking fuckers.

Posted by: Murph at September 02, 2008 06:03 PM (kIopv)

21

I'd streamed it from here.

To those who were expecting to see it on NBC or seeBS... "you fucked up! you trusted us!"

Posted by: David Ross at September 02, 2008 06:07 PM (ThkMv)

22 It's a fucking, crying shame that CBS, ABC, and NBC have broadcast rights to football.  That seems as unAmerican as the Hopey-Changey Bastard and his butthole buddies Ayres, Wright, and Pfleger.

Posted by: Reiver at September 02, 2008 06:10 PM (s7h/P)

23 Katie Couric wasn't even trying to pretend she wasn't in the tank for the Messiah, asking a McCain spokesman "well Palin did this and she did that, how does that fit with McCain?". Did she f'in ask that of the Obama campaign when Mr. Hopenchange picked a Washington insider for his Veep? How does that fit with HIS theme of change, Katie half-wit? Jesus...

Posted by: changer1701 at September 02, 2008 06:11 PM (OtCA9)

24

I'm glad I tuned it in on PJTV. I was even able to pause and listen to some parts again if I liked. Some commenters said "Where was this Fred Thompson during the primaries?" ......he was there, getting the same kind of treatment from the MSM that he got tonight.

Posted by: TBinSTL at September 02, 2008 06:11 PM (2vLkB)

25 Heh, I stepped out to the store, but left the TV on CBS.  I walked back in right as Senator Lieberman was finishing up, so I only heard his closing remarks.  As the reporters were signing off, I think it was Jeff Greenwood, made the comment, "...it's a bunch of sucking up to Satan tonight."

Posted by: Tunakermit at September 02, 2008 06:13 PM (Vo+i6)

26 I said screw it. NFL network showed the Super Bowl. Giants won again.

Posted by: joe at September 02, 2008 06:14 PM (TOly9)

27 "Oh, and David Brooks? NYT have his balls in a jar somewhere. " He has BALLS?

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 06:15 PM (NMXb5)

28

Both parties nominated the candidates the media favored, not the best ones.  So it may be that we have vested the power to elect in a very small group of radical socialists who also happen to be reporters and columnists.

But we have beaten them before for several reasons, not the least of which is their constant over-the-top partisan wailing which not even the candidates would attempt.

Boomerang on them it will again.

Posted by: Robert at September 02, 2008 06:15 PM (Rb4Qc)

29 The bitch on MSNB.S. is doing everything possible to bait Liebs.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2008 06:17 PM (CzoZF)

30

Media bias from three big networks? Shocking... not. Of course, the reason is obvious - Fred really ripped into Obama. Excellent job, Fred.

Also, one wonders if these broadcast pinheads will even air McCain's speech.

Posted by: SpideyTerry at September 02, 2008 06:17 PM (wCXDc)

31 Washington Post:  News Media Demanding DNA Testing of Palin Family

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203144_pf.html

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at September 02, 2008 06:17 PM (nuuDA)

32 Olby is fact checking Lieberman's speech.

What a fucking piece of shit.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 06:18 PM (hlYel)

33 #23

You think that's bad?  Try listening to NBC announcers at a NASCAR event.

Condescending pricks... they have to explain everything to the audience like they're talking to preschoolers.

"This is where the engine is.  It makes the car go vroom-vroom."

Posted by: Gran at September 02, 2008 06:18 PM (mTWN+)

34 Thompson gave a great speech.  I respect McCain even more after hearing it.

Which is why the nets didn't show the speech: they are AFRAID to let the electorate get to know McCain.  They are AFRAID to let anything through unfiltered.

Fascists and pussies all in one.

Posted by: Thea at September 02, 2008 06:19 PM (N0hv7)

35 Entropy: I'm actually watching on PBS. WTTW. Same here. This is really bad form. DNC coverage was wall to wall. PBS, btw, has always been balanced in the sense that as an institution it believes in the democratic process. Personally, I don't find them any worse than the MSM, and better in many ways. And to state my heretical position one more time... The MSM can just as rightly be called corporatist as leftist. It is biased toward centralized power and biased against local power.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at September 02, 2008 06:20 PM (Oce1d)

36 Is legal action possible since the networks didn't give equal time?

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 11:02 PM (eGRG+)

We don't support the "fairness doctrine", remember? The only way to hit them is negative publicity with their advertisors and in their pocketbook.

Posted by: Christoph at September 02, 2008 06:21 PM (hawOV)

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 02, 2008 06:21 PM (bgcz1)

38 Teh Fred was on Fox 100% all the way through. Go Fox, go Fred! B) He rocked out hard, and showed the sort of spirit that made some of us think he was worthy of the nomination about 8 months ago. (One more thing to hate the MSM for, stealing oxygen from the genuine conservatives, and helping Hucksterbee smear Romney with his religion in a crass display of (bad) 19th century politics.)

Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2008 06:22 PM (fenBi)

39

Puma chat for the night:

Liebs is the original PUMA

Fred was great defending Palin

The networks suck for not showing the speeches

O'Reily should be strung up for offering the 'One' primetime on the night of McCain's acceptance

The delegates have more freedom of expression than those at the DNC.

They were listening.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2008 06:23 PM (CzoZF)

40 I still remember the one time I'd met this young girl, good looking, who was starting a journalism career. We were getting along well and I had an opportunity to pursue laying her, with her encouragement, or give my thoughts on her profession.

I made the right decision and whacked off that night.

Posted by: Christoph at September 02, 2008 06:24 PM (hawOV)

41 We don't support the "fairness doctrine", remember?

I'm pretty sure that we have some sort of "equal time" law. The so-called fairness doctrine expands on the existing laws, I think.

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 06:26 PM (eGRG+)

42 Chickenshit cocksuckers, they're all a bunch of chickenshit cocksuckers

Posted by: Dudley Smith at September 02, 2008 06:28 PM (iRWxg)

43 Fucking Kondracke on FOX just asserted that McCain really wanted Lieberman, not Sarah.  Fuck you, mind-reading Mort.

Posted by: Kensington at September 02, 2008 06:30 PM (xFNQx)

44 Equal time law is the fairness doctrine, which we don't support. We support private enterprise where a company can decide what it wants to do, even a media company, and if they're blatantly hypocritical, unfair, and outright evil, we can call them cocksuckers.

Posted by: Christoph at September 02, 2008 06:31 PM (hawOV)

45 MSNBC actually kept track of how many times Thompson cleared his throat.  70 was their count.

How about an um count next time Obama tries to get through a sentence. If 70 is the line, I'll take the over.

BTW-it was distracting.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 06:33 PM (hlYel)

46 Mort is really showing us what a fucking douche he is.  Mort, you didn't run, you don't get to make decisions.  Report the news or find a new job!  Anyone who really thinks Mccain seriously considered Leiberman as more than a head-fake is seriously wrong.

Posted by: Shill at September 02, 2008 06:34 PM (8jYMc)

47 I shit you not. Oblerman just commented on the fact that he counter 70 times that Thompson coughed or cleared his throat with a live mic. What a fucking douche nozzle. Then again, I guess Oblerman would know all about fucking up with a live mic.

Posted by: Rob B at September 02, 2008 06:34 PM (+CMbq)

48 Hey, I download everything I watch on NBC, CBS, etc.

You get to say a big "fuck you" to their revenue model.

Download a torrent client.  Find a site like EZTV.  Set the RSS downloads to get the shows you want; your computer is now a (much better) DVR.

End result, they go the way of the dodo and you get to watch your favorite shows guilt free until they crash and burn.

Might sound inane to some of you but as Agent Smith said, "That's the sound of inevitability."

Posted by: Download, don't watch at September 02, 2008 06:35 PM (8/0ME)

49 Complete garbage for coverage, especially Olby with his Washington fact check.
Gee Keith could you fill us in on the whole Cheery Tree story while you're at it.
At least we didn't have to watch him suck Rachael Maddow's cock tonight.

I do love the way everyone, starting with Chris Matthews, then Gregory and Harold Ford pretty much just ignore what Olby led in with and made their own comments. The extra long pause first from Chris was especially precious.
And yeah what the hell is up with Kondracke? Kristol nailed him basically, Mort isn't usually that buffoonish.

Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2008 06:36 PM (7rbe9)

50

from that Post story:

 

Others, he said, have asked whether Palin's eldest son, Track, who serves in the Army and is deploying to Iraq, is a drug addict. "Categorically false," Schmidt said, adding: "This is crazy."

Posted by: Jones at September 02, 2008 06:37 PM (KOkrW)

51

Fucking Kondracke on FOX just asserted that McCain really wanted Lieberman, not Sarah.  Fuck you, mind-reading Mort.

Well I suspect that McCain really did want Lieberman over Palin. But Mort's was just being a partisan prick when he declared that Palin was far to the right of normal Americans. Normally I consider Mort to be fairly moderate and even tempered analyst, but he seems to really despise Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 02, 2008 06:38 PM (N/Dcu)

52 What is this whole the McCain team did bad vetting meme in the MSM?
Do they really think Joe Q Public has any idea or cares about this shit?

Posted by: Rocks at September 02, 2008 06:39 PM (7rbe9)

53

Rove told Chris Wallace he'd have put on Thompson last - his red meat would put off Dems and they'd turn the channel.  By skipping the red meat they may have inadvertently held more viewers for Lieberman.  Rove's so in their heads they'll never get him out.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 02, 2008 06:41 PM (4ZOxD)

54 Rachel Maddow:  "McCain just did one of the most un-democratic thigs possible inthis country!  HE SELECTED HIS VP RUNNING MATE!  {{{{GASP!!!}}}}"

Damn, that Maddow guy is really fucking stupid.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 02, 2008 06:42 PM (L6xbC)

55 Letterman's now predicting McCain's death and dissing Palin ("I want my President to have had at least a five minute conversation with her daughter about birth control").

Posted by: The Raving Atheist at September 02, 2008 06:46 PM (HKRoS)

56 I dumped my TV years ago.

Posted by: Asher at September 02, 2008 06:52 PM (CTiMZ)

57

#Wiserbud

 

Huh?!

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2008 06:53 PM (CzoZF)

58 CNN Just claimed that a McCain interview that was pulled because of Tucker Bounds being grilled over Bristol was pulled because he was grilled over national guard experience. They spent a solid 10-15 minutes dissing McCain about it. Could this get any more ridicoulse?

Posted by: Jerry at September 02, 2008 06:53 PM (mzfP0)

59 Christoph, as I said the so-called Fairness Doctrine expands the Equal Time Rule currently followed by broadcasters.

Equal Time Rule: The equal time, or more accurately, the equal opportunity provision of the Communications Act requires radio and television stations and cable systems which originate their own programming to treat legally qualified political candidates equally when it comes to selling or giving away air time. Simply put, a station which sells or gives one minute to Candidate A must sell or give the same amount of time with the same audience potential to all other candidates for the particular office.

In other words, if Letterman wants to have Obama (or any Democrat) on his show 3 nights a week, he needs to put on their counterpart for 3 nights a week, otherwise it gives, say, Obama, an advantage of unfair exposure.

What the Fairness Doctrine want to do is punish Rush Limbaugh for having a huge audience. The proponents of FD think that Limbaugh having 20 million listeners tuning into his conservative talk show, the government should either provide the Leftwing a microphone and a 20 million=person audience or silence Rush Limbaugh.

Furthermore, the FD could extend to anyone who the government deems politically partisan. All private enterprises and all individuals in business will be at risk for some sort of government regualtion, i.e., 1st amendment infringement or government-installed competition.

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 06:55 PM (eGRG+)

60

Posted by: Jones at September 02, 2008 11:37 PM (KOkrW)

Nuts. They'll destroy anyone. Obama's gets a pass on a 20 year association with a racist, America hating church, Farakhan links, courtship of Weatherman terrorists, Chicago politics and corrupt slumlords - and Palin gets buried in this pety bullshit over the course of a few days.

It isn't right, but they're probably going to get away with it.

Posted by: MlR at September 02, 2008 06:58 PM (PLmsY)

61 Seriously, Rachel Maddow was going off on how McCain only met Palin twice before selecting her and actually said it was "un-democratic."  Obviously, he was trying to point out that we don't get to select the VP, the Presidential nominee does, but it was a strange way of making that point.  He seemed livid about that blatant unfairness of that concept.

I don't remember him saying that when Obama selected Biden.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 02, 2008 07:00 PM (L6xbC)

62

And that's a short list. We haven't even talked about the obvious narcissism, drug use, complete lack of platform for months, selection of a guy who nullifies his entire campaign, etc, etc. Then there's Biden - lobbyists, big mouth, plagiarism, outright lies regarding his upbringing.

It isn't right.

Posted by: MlR at September 02, 2008 07:01 PM (PLmsY)

63 So, I guess Keith is not going to respond to Newt's challenge, like he said he would?

What a surprise.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 02, 2008 07:02 PM (L6xbC)

64

19 Is legal action possible since the networks didn't give equal time?

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 11:02 PM (eGRG+)

Well, of course you can pursue legal action. I'm a high priced slip & fall, lying, cocksucker, piece-of-shit attorney, that doesn't have much going on right now. I specialize in duping stupid fucks...

References not available upon request,

Silky Pony, Esq.

Lawfirm of Douche, Douche & Breck

Posted by: J. Edwards at September 02, 2008 07:05 PM (defEz)

65 Everyone usually says that Jake Tapper is a pretty fair member of the media right? Well, earlier tonight he put up a post on his blog finally admitting that Sarah Palin wasn't a member of the API, but, he then went on to say that her husband was. So i left a comment asking why he was going after family members when Obama said they shouldn't. That comment got deleted. So i left another comment asking why he wasn't reporting on Obamas support of the Akaka bill since it could lead to the secession of Hawaii and secession of Alaska was supposedly the reason for reporting the API story. I also left the two links Ace had put up in another post. That comment got deleted, but not before another commentor saw it and asked why it wasn't being reported on, his comment got deleted too. So i left another comment asking why my comments were being deleted and that one got deleted too. And Tapper is supposed to be one of the "fair" members of the media.

Posted by: damn skippy squanto at September 02, 2008 07:05 PM (ynsah)

66

Surprise! NBC and CBS Refuse to Air Thompson Speech; ABC Only Begins Running It Well Past Best Parts

 

...a preview of The Fairness Doctrine. Hope y'all were paying attention.

Posted by: Jones at September 02, 2008 07:09 PM (KOkrW)

67 Tapper was always a partisan prick when he wrote for Salon; I don't really think he's changed, and I'll never understand how he got more "respectable".

Posted by: Kensington at September 02, 2008 07:13 PM (xFNQx)

68 Neptunus Lex reports that MSNBC left off the audio from the convention during the President's speech, so there was no applause when he paused. Made him look bad.

Posted by: XBradTC at September 02, 2008 07:24 PM (soV1p)

69 Rachel Maddow said "where is Dick?" 

humph

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71 The way the media - and bloggers - are behaving is absolutely unreal and very disheartening.  I thought we were, for the most part, a civilized people.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 02, 2008 07:46 PM (Mt4OE)

72 Until proven otherwise, reporters may be assumbed to be cocksucking lying crack-whores.

It's a pretty safe assumption.

And reporters are obviously happy with that assumption, because they're doing fuck-all to counter it. Like, for example, exercising a little common decency, honesty or even just not being complete leftist douchebags.

The severe collusion among reporters here actually threatens the First Amendment. When you gather in j-schools and newsrooms to push out opposing ideas, you're attacking the civil rights of people who simply have different opinions.

No wonder they talk about censorship so often, they've worked so hard to become experts on the subject.

The contempt I have for the journalistic "class" is truly beyond expletives.

Posted by: Merovign at September 02, 2008 07:51 PM (UXoQt)

73 MSNBC's video feed during the speeches tonight sought out members of the RNC audience yawning or looking bored/tired.  Because of the 5-second delay, I was able to flip between CNN's coverage, which showed the cheering hall, and contrast it with MarxistSocialistNBC's.

Disgraceful.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at September 02, 2008 08:07 PM (QQGzM)

74 Until proven otherwise, reporters may be assumbed to be cocksucking lying crack-whores.

Cocksucking lying crackwhores object to that statement.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at September 02, 2008 08:08 PM (QQGzM)

75 The RNC needs to tighten up a bit. The camera view from NBC constantly showed tons of empty seats over by the left side of the stage. Sure no one would sit in those seats because they're behind the stage but you just don't let empty seats be shown on TV for an event that is supposed to be big and important. The RNC should have had something to cover that up. I bet we see lots of photos at angles that show those seats in the background.

Posted by: PC14 at September 02, 2008 08:47 PM (0eHoQ)

76 The media aren't part of the DNC -- the DNC is the "political wing" of the old media.  

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 02, 2008 09:53 PM (x5VrF)

77 BOYCOTT !

Posted by: Esteban at September 02, 2008 10:04 PM (X7Ey1)

78

I never watch, but am cognizant that MOST (yes, its sadly true) people get their news from them.

Did they air all speeches of the Ds? If not, then I wont be quite as violently rageful as Im feeling right now

Posted by: TMF at September 02, 2008 10:12 PM (/YM8H)

79 Why in the heck would you do the Networks the favor of tuning in? You're living in the internet age. Write the Nets and tell them why you'll never be turning your television on ever again. Buy two or three computers and watch whatever you want anytime.

Posted by: Mr._Chumpo at September 02, 2008 10:14 PM (2pOAm)

80

It begins-

Cornerites already calling the convention "flat" compared to the dems

If you wanted a rave, douschenozzle, you came to the wrong place

Posted by: TMF at September 02, 2008 10:29 PM (/YM8H)

81 Does this seem like an in-kind contribution to any of you? You know, like the FEC should probably know about? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Mastiff at September 02, 2008 10:31 PM (SkyLZ)

82 I just watched FOX. No heartburn.

Posted by: Iblis at September 02, 2008 10:46 PM (QG9iv)

83 Oh and didn't all the delegates from the cool states go home to clean up?

Posted by: Iblis at September 02, 2008 10:52 PM (QG9iv)

84 For all of you citing the fairness doctrine: it would not apply. The networks are showing the Republican National Convention. The fact that they -- completely innocently, of course (eyeroll) -- choose to cover it by showing canned videos attacking the Republican candidates, instead of the actual convention speakers? Hey, equal time is not equal treatment.

Posted by: Starshatterer at September 03, 2008 02:38 AM (aLyt6)

85

The RNC needs to tighten up a bit. The camera view from NBC constantly showed tons of empty seats over by the left side of the stage. Sure no one would sit in those seats because they're behind the stage but you just don't let empty seats be shown on TV for an event that is supposed to be big and important. The RNC should have had something to cover that up. I bet we see lots of photos at angles that show those seats in the background.

Well there was this thing called a hurricane hitting several states.  I'm betting most of those delegations aren't at the convention.  It would likely be impossible to cover up any of those empty seats, especially with really little notice.  I bet the MSM has tried to incorporate those areas into their shots as much as often.

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