1 Rudy's not going to win Florida.  Knocking Romney out of the race early would seal it for Fred.

2 (And by "it" I don't mean Florida but the whole ball of wax.)

3 2004:  Howard Dean polled well too.  Until the only polls that matter, that is.

4 Jpod would quote a poll taken by Paris Hilton Inc. if it were advantage Rudy. A definite bonus if it was negative for Romney. 

5

Here's some fascist fashion news for you Rethuglicans:

 

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Halliburton! Wingnuts! Ice cream!!

6 The 2nd amendment thing really sours me on Rudy.

7 Rudy is the dream candidate for a party that doesn't exist.

8

You know what sours me on Romney? He opposed the Cape Wind project, just like Ted Kennedy and for the same reason: Because some rich and powerful people didn't want to see windmills 6 miles out at sea.

I'm not even sure I could vote for him if he were the nominee, is how bad that sticks in my throat.

9

Sponge, If I were living or visiting the Cape, I certainly would have the opinion that these windmills take away from the asthetics of this location icon so I can see Romney's point if you take him at his word.

This is from a pro windmill site.

 Link

10 Romney is a perfect 20th century candidate, a Republican answer to Clinton.

But we're going to need 21st century resources to win.

I do think Fred is making a mistake by dropping out of sight personally for this long since going semi-official.  But in the end, it's still his to lose.

11

We put our windmills out in West Texas where nobody gives a shit.

And it's windy.  I almost forgot that part.

12 We put ours up on a hill up in the northern part of the state.

Nothin' but moose and semi-Canadians up there anyway.

13

Poly, the aesthetic argument against Cape Wind was not compelling, IMO. What's worse, it was an opportunity for him to show some leadership, to explain the tradeoff even if he ultimately opposed the project. Instead he skulked around to his rich friends and assured them their view would remain pristine and their sailing undisturbed by unseemly tacking around wind farms.

Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

 

14

Maybe he was concerned certain a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

Fixed that for ya.

15

>>Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

If this is true, I admire Romney's compassion for Extra-terrestrials.

16 I might would agree with you sponge about the tradeoff if the efficiency of wind power was anywhere close to a nuclear plant or coal fire plant.  I look at it the same way as if they would propose putting a wind farm off of Key West or in Yellowstone park. I consider the Cape part of America the Beautiful.  Its not about the rich for me, its about the location and some locations should be preserved.  Granted many of the residents probably only have selfish and not in my backyard reasons and wouldn't mind if a farm was installed in Yellowstone.  

17 Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

That right there is enough to sink his chances to the nomination.

18

The site of that particular wind farm was not such a treasure as they make it out. Basically it was seashore like any other. Nothing special about it except that rich people looked out that way, and the windmills were 6 miles out! If you consider all seashore to be off limits, that's one thing. But you'd have to be pretty persuasive to convince me that particular piece should be exempt.

And windmills are extremely efficient as they make power out of a free resource. The knock on them is that they do not always give you juice when you need it. But they do well offshore on hot days and during the winter, when New Englanders use a lot of electricity.

19

The site of that particular wind farm was not such a treasure as they make it out.

I thought it was the Nantucket Sound which I thought was considered one of our most historic and well known shorelines.  What do I know, I get all my information about the Cape from watching reruns of Wings.

20 Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

I think he would be more concerned that Kennedy wouldn't quite make it to orbit. And thus humanity would go the way of the dinosaurs.

What goes up must come down, after all.

21 It is in the Sound, just not off the Cape Cod National Seashore. I'm pretty sure the beaches there are all private property and not accessible to us proles. Anybody who's taken the Wodd's Hole ferry has cruised right past the site.

22 >>I thought it was the Nantucket Sound which I thought was considered one of our most historic and well known shorelines. What do I know, I get all my information about the Cape from watching reruns of Wings.

Your exactly right. It's right smack dab in the middle of Nantucket Sound, which, if you happen to live here, you know is not just a preserve of the rich and famous.

The majority of Cape residents, the people who would benefit from the energy generated from these windmills, have always been against this project. While there are plenty of rich people on the Cape, there are a lot more middle and lower middle class.

The economics and spoilage of some of the best fishing and boating water in MA have never made sense except to the owners of the project. If they wanted cheaper power, they could have thrown up another nuclear plant just like the one sitting in Plymouth Harbor. The anti-nuclear crowd is the one holding that up.

23 Windmills sure look good on those "Visit Holland" advertisements...maybe an attitude change is in order.

24

Jack, take another look at those polls. Those opposed to the project are rich, those in favor not so rich. That's the Cape Cod paper's own poll, too, and they have opposed the project from the start. Other polls show majorities on the Cape and islands favor the project.

Also, I have never heard before that the location was any great fishing spot. It's not very deep, for one thing, or they couldn't put the windmills in.

If you can get more nukes into New England, more power to you. Oil-fired plants have been nothing but trouble on the Cape and gas is too unpredictable, so something's gotta give.

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