1 TERM LIMITS !!!

2
He needs to stay in his sarcophagus.

3 Senility.

4 Tree

Apple

Not falling far

5 Whether they came through Canada or not I must ask. Who gives a rat's ass?

Seriously, is this the best you can come up with?

It's gone be a long 8 years in Wingnuttia. And I am savoring every minute of it.

6 It's gone be a long 8 years in Wingnuttia. And I am savoring every minute of it.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 10:43 AM (hOPQH)




The only thing you're savoring is Obama's ass.

7 McLame is doing a fine job and giving his primary opponent planty of amunition.

8 Honest Cloud..

This coming from a party who's only response to insanely destructive increases in levels of government waste, spending and taxes is ball jokes.

9 This is why this party needs to be decommissioned. Can anyone point to anything meaningful, worth saving in this party? I think we need to send the elephant to the glue factory and focus on building something new. The Republican brand is permanently stained as the party of out-of-touch country club elites. It suffered the same fate that Czar Nicholas did, seeing America's Lenin ascend to take control in last November's election.

John, Meghan, Rudy, Mitt and other Republican elites keep missing the message that our nation is sending: they voted for "any kind of change - even a Marxist street agitator with zero experience managing anything" over all of their candidates. So many Republican voters couldn't even bear holding their nose and voting for McCain with Palin on the ticket.

It's time to pull the plug. This thing died long ago and it's really beginning to smell.

10 ....and his daughter is chubby too!

11 McCain is not a very smart man. Who's organizing this new party so we don't have to vote for the lesser of two evils next time? Or are we going to somehow take over the Republican party and bring sanity back to the ranks? Who the hell runs the republican party. No one asked my advice of who to head it up ... who decides that this steele guy is the one to lead? Where are these imaginary people and how do we talk to them other than an easily deletable e-mail to generic republicanpartyduffusses.com?

12 HatlessHessian: Better hurry up. You've got a year.

13 Still haven't heard a peep from the assholes about reforming the primary rules.

14

Well, actually Canada gives a rats ass. You know, Canada our neighbor and previously one of our closest allies. Canada who is now offended at the implication that they somehow allowed the 9/11 terrorists to enter the United States. Canada, who dislikes the implication that their border is just as big a security risk as the border with Mexico (regardless of whether it is true that there is risk at the Canadian border or not).

But, yeah, other than pissing off our northern neighbor and one of our closest allies, who really cares.

Stupid is as stupid does.

15 This coming from a party who's only response to insanely destructive increases in levels of government waste, spending and taxes is ball jokes.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at April 25, 2009 10:47 AM

Hey Irene,

Obama just cut taxes you imbecile.

And in case you hadn't heard we're in the worst economy since the Great Depression. And most if not all economists agree that government spending is the fastest and most effective way out. We're losing 500,000 jobs a month for God's sake.. What's your idea? Another tax cut for the rich? How'd that last one work out?

16

O's radio(?) address was about treating Gov't spending like a family treats their budget.  I believe he wants to cut needless projects, throttle back spending, and consolidate.  My main problem is that the only thing he is willing to do that to is Gov't funded 'watch dog' agencies, abstinence teachings, and defense.

I also believe he wants us to do those things so he can claim 'he finally has the average American saving'.

17 The only thing a new party would do is split the votes between itself and the Repubs and give even more votes the Marxist assholes.

18 honest cloud He cut taxes, sure. But the increase in deficit, I should say, the outrageous, unprecedented increase in our deficit...WILL HAVE TO BE PAID FOR AT SOME POINT. That talking point is pure crap, "honest" idiot. Guess what happens when you incur a debt? Yeah, moron....you have to pay it off. Or your children...and grandchildren. But yeah, keep on whipping that dead horse and lying to yourself. The taxes WILL increase as surely as the setting of the goddamn sun.

19
"Obama just cut taxes you imbecile."

Honest Cloud is apparently as smart as McCain.

20 "He needs to stay in his sarcophagus." Now that was DAMNED funny!

21 Just look at the "cap and trade" energy policy he is already trying to pitch. That is a tax which will trickle down to EVERY PRODUCT WE BUY. The influx of money from the Fed has already produced inflation, reducing the value of every dollar currently in circulation. Get a goddamn clue.

22 Please tell me where Obama just cut taxes?  Please remember that "allowing" the American Taxpayer to keep $676 over the course of the year, i.e. changing the withholding tables, does not equal a tax cut.  This does not change one iota how much tas you owe at the end of the year.  I mean, not to sound ungrateful or anything, but what can I buy with $676.  Maybe some earrings or something.........

23 Don't you wonder what happened with McCain.  What he learned or what he was told that suddenly made him realize that he didn't want the job anymore.  Remember when he defended BO saying he was a good man and would make a good president?  It almost seems like no one wants these jobs.  Look Kashkari is leaving the treasury and Timmay is having trouble pulling together a staff.  When he make phone calls is he getting a lot of "thanks for the offer man but I think I'll pass."

24 Posted by: ParanoidFBGirlInSeattle

"Canada our neighbor and previously one of our closest allies."

By all means run with it Paranoid. Please do. It's very funny that this is the best the wingnuts can come up for criticism.

And what is Canada gonna do about it? Pull their troops out of Iraq? Oh, I forgot, our closest ally told to eat dirt on that one.

Good grief. All it takes is a simple acknowledgment of a mistake and an apology.

You guys are nuts.

25 honest cloud Look at this graph, and then keep spewing your inane nonsense: http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

26

Cloudy,

I guess you missed the 200+ economists that put an ad in the NYT against the 'stimulus'.

How is Elkhart, Indiana doing?  Did O save the town as he promised?

How much more are you paying for utilities, groceries, city/state taxes?

A great woman once said: "A cloudy mind is an ignorant mind." 

27 "You guys are nuts."

Projection.

28 Alex, I'll take TRANSPARENCY for twenty.

29

"You guys are nuts."

 

Wait.  All you guys are Buckeyes too?  That is awesome!

O-H

30 "Some times you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't" (almond joy has nuts, mounds don't) sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

31

#22

Depends on where you shop.  Sounds as if you're used to Tiffany's for ear rings. 

 

32 -I-O

33 You had me at "kerfuffle".

34 People like Honest Cloud are funny (pathetic funny, not ha ha funny).  He's got a flaming lib TOTUS and congress running roughshod over the country, doing whatever they want while proclaiming how irrelevant the opposition is.  It is a lib's wet dream come true, yet he still trolls on conservative blogs, bitching and moaning.

What kind of mental handicap do you need to do something like that?

35 Honest Cloud: The Dem's weakness going forward will be their belief (as was the Repub's for a while) that they "won" and could therefore do no wrong. Basically, the overstepped their supposed "mandate". Likewise, Obama will continue to ride his "wave" for a while yet, however, his moves, by any objective measure, are a radical departure form anything that we've ever seen - so, it follows that he'll either be a fabulous success or a dismal failure, and not much of anything in between. And that's just on the domestic front, God help him if he has a few garden variety foreign policy blunders ala Carter. I'll say this, if the Dems go into 3Q 2010 with UE above 10% and weak GDP activity, the mid-terms will go poorly for them. If in 2012, Obama's spending doesn't result in off the charts economic growth (i.e. UE below 6%, GDP growth above 5%) to offset all of his upcoming tax hikes and monstrous spending, he's cooked. It's as simple as that.

36 How is Elkhart, Indiana doing?

Horribly. That's the whole idea behind the stimulus money, birdbrain.

And what a surprise. Obama hasn't been able to repair the catastrophic damage George Bush left behind in his first 100 days.

Don't fear. I'm sure by the time Obama's 8 years are up we'll be doing fine. I especially like him telling the GOP to fuck off on the health care reform. No filibuster on that one.

Kind of ironic, huh? Obama runs on promising to fix health care and wins. So now sit back and watch him fix health care. And there isn't a damn thing you knuckledragging dittoheads can do about it.

37 Did I just hear correctly, the guy who they are accusing of starting the fire is named "torch e"?  If that is true this gets more and more bizarre, "made off", kash and karry".  There are others can't remember them now.

38

HAPPY DEBT DAY!

Sunday is "Debt Day": As of Sunday, the federal government has spent all the money it will raise in taxes for the current fiscal year. From now until the end of the fiscal year in the fall, the government will be spending money that it will borrow from the Chinese and others, which will be repaid by our children and grandchildren. With interest. This is the earliest Debt Day in modern history, if not ever. From 2002 until now, it has fallen between July and September.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You better party like it's 2009, because when the bill comes due . . .

39 I hear that McCain also reaffirmed that "fire can't melt steel".  Upon saying that, Meghan chimed in with, "Like, Google it you unhip, racist dinosaurs."

It brought a tear to John's eye.

40

Obama just cut taxes you imbecile.

A tax credit is not a tax cut, you imbecile--especially when we are going to have it taken out of our tax returns next year. 

And in case you hadn't heard we're in the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Oh, so now it's the "worst economy since the Great Depression" again this week?  What are you, 12?  Because you clearly don't seem to remember the Carter years.

And most if not all economists agree that government spending is the fastest and most effective way out.

Is that why all those economists took out an ad in the New York Times telling Obama that his spending plan was garbage?

We're losing 500,000 jobs a month for God's sake.. What's your idea? Another tax cut for the rich? How'd that last one work out?

Not spending $13 trillion over the next ten years, doubling Bush's 2008 budget deficit in less than a year, and spending more year by year than Bush ever did, would be a good start.  

And what exactly is "rich" in your mind?  Someone who simply makes more money than you, you worthless little thief? 

41 "Don't fear. I'm sure by the time Obama's 8 years are up we'll be doing fine. I especially like him telling the GOP to fuck off on the health care reform. No filibuster on that one.

Kind of ironic, huh? Obama runs on promising to fix health care and wins. So now sit back and watch him fix health care. And there isn't a damn thing you knuckledragging dittoheads can do about it.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:13 AM (hOPQH)"

That is just plain wrong, what happened to bi partisanship?  Why are the republicans constantly being excluded?  I'm an independent and we are starting to see stuff like this.  Maybe, if he really wants to accomplish something, he can put together a panel of "real people" and have them fix the health care system and then put it before congress.  "Real people" have no ax to grind, no favors for friends, no motive but to make sure every American is covered, the system is fair, and someone somewhere isn't making an enormous profit.

42 This is the leftist MSM raising McCain again. Why the fuck do we let them do this?

43 honest cloud, both McCain and Napolitano made inaccurate statements... just like Obama, Hillary, etc with the "90% of the Mexican cartel's guns come from the US". Mexican cartel's are not buying grenades, light tank weapons and anti aircraft guns from gun stores in the US. They also aren't getting fully automatic weapons from here.


Of course she can acknowledge the mistake and apologize. Doing enough research to know the facts beforehand would have been a better option.

44 That's what finishing fifth from the bottom of one's class at the Naval Academy will do for you.

Heck, considering that stock, Meghan's practically friggin' Einstein.

45 volfan,

"God help him if he has a few garden variety foreign policy blunder"

Hilarious. George Bush committed the worst foreign policy blunder in U.S. history and was re elected.

And Bush ignored the warnings that Osama bi Laden was determined to attack and allowed the worst terror attack in U.S. history on his watch.

Those two, I'm sure Obama can't top.

And I'm sure Obama will make some mistakes fixing Bush's catastrophic blunders. So what?

46 "Of course she can acknowledge the mistake and apologize. Doing enough research to know the facts beforehand would have been a better option."

Let's not forget about her charming position about whether or not illegal immigrants are breaking any laws.

All the research in the world isn't going to help this woman.  She's an idiot.

47

McCain is still very angry and bitter over his 2000 primary election loss.

That's why he spent eight years sticking his knife in W's back. That's why he's giving cover for the Obama administration.

McCain is well on his way to turning himself into another Arlen Specter. I hope he succeeds in that effort.

48  "Why are the republicans constantly being excluded? "

Because they lost and have no ideas.

Obama ran on reforming health care and he owes it to the voters to do it. And the GOP has offered no solutions. Not even bad solutions, no solutions. They just say no. And Obama is gonna do it without them. And I love it.

49

You know, honest douchebag, if you spent more time working and less time playing miniature golf, you could be rich, too.

But as your politics reveals, you are simply a thief who needs the government to rob from others more successful than you because you are too cowardly to do it yourself.  You have no clue how Obama is going to pay for any of his reforms, other than make "the rich" pay for it. 

Newsflash, chump--you could take every penny from every "rich" person in this country for the next ten years, and it STILL wouldn't pay for Obama's wish list of sweets and treats for the leftist parasites of American society.

You expressing concern for American taxpayers is like a tapeworm expressing concern for its host.

50 Thx John, now STFU ...and your yappy dog daughter too

51 [dis]Honest Cloud: Have, you ever lived/worked/visited Elkhart, genius? I used to live there and all the stim. money in the world won't prop up a dying/depressed area. Unless the gov't starts buying RV's by the gross, any "stimulus" will be temporary at best. If it's that simple, then Obama will own the world with all of his "universal fixes" and you can stop slumming here on the boards. Again, either all of this spending will lead to another Clinton boom, or it won't. Of course, if it doesn't, that will be Bush's fault as well, because, well, Obama isn't man enough to take ownership of his own policies when they fail.

52 Let's not forget about her charming position about whether or not illegal immigrants are breaking any laws.



And veterans being "recruited" by "right wing extremist groups" that are conveniently "too numerous to name" (because they don't exist).

53 "You expressing concern for American taxpayers is like a tapeworm expressing concern for its host."

Too funny!

54 honest cloud, he also ran on a net spending cut in government.  How's that working out?

Also said that he would run the most transparent government EVAR.  Still fighting FOIA requests for TARP distribution information.  That seems to be at odds with his words. 

Also said he would run the most ethical administration ever.  Care to take a look at the people who are getting nominated?  Sec of Treasury is a tax cheat.  Sec State is married to someone who regularly takes all kinds of money from the Sauds, nevermind that the Clintons did not have to report any of this.   SEC of HUD is eyeballs deep in the theft of the Washington Governors election in 2004.  We could go on and on and on. 

55

And Obama is gonna do it without them. And I love it.

That is because you and your family are wastes of carbon molecules.

56 One wonders why such an obvious top intellectual as Methane Cloud needs sully himself educating us moronic wingnuts?

57 "And what exactly is "rich" in your mind?"

I consider Warren Buffett rich.  He made $60 million last year.

And paid 17% in taxes.

While his secretary who made $60 thousand, paid 30% in taxes.

Any other stupid questions? Guevara's Chest Hair.

58 It's almost as if he has nothing better to do.....

59 OMG fox news just reported that the state department listed all the foreign countries that hillary has visited and Texas was listed.  Apparently the Huffington Post managed to get a screen shot of this before it was scrubbed. 

60 60 So what Bush was way more incompetent you wingnut!! -sarc-

61 And Bush ignored the warnings that Osama bi Laden was determined to attack and allowed the worst terror attack in U.S. history on his watch. Good God - the bulk of GW's political capital came from his response to 9/11 and you think that it hurt him? By that measure, Obama should be praying for his own 9/11. You still haven't argued for how the Dem's will spin a crap economy in 2010/12 if all of this spending doesn't pan out?

62 Buffett loves your boy Zero.Wonder why if Zero wants him to pay his fair share??

63 honest cloud You are a parasite. Deal with it, francis. Feel the self-loathing. Drink it up.

64 Warren Buffet under pays his secretary.

65 "You still haven't argued for how the Dem's will spin a crap economy in 2010/12 if all of this spending doesn't pan out?"

He can only cut and paste his talking points, not engage in actual discussion.

It takes time to Google for an approved reply, you know.

66

So Obama's State Department thinks Texas is a foreign country, not one of the 57 states?

Got any comments on the competence of Obama's administration regarding this gaffe, honest clod?

67 66 No need to Google.The DNC emails him the appproved answers.

68

What's wrong, honest douchebag, you can't actually set a income limit on what is considered "rich"?  Warren Buffet isn't paying off the debt all by himself, nor paying for "health care reform" all by himself.

And his secretary is paying 30% in taxes?  I thought Obama "cut" her taxes.

Make your mind, little tapeworm.

69 Parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return.

70 Sorry for the off-topic, but Princess Charles over at Little Green Footballs has been punked by a photoshop.  Go to Jihad Watch for the details.  And of course he's doubling down and shouting, "Get off my web site!!"  to all who disagree. 

71 "The DNC emails him the appproved answers."

Along with the ham and cheese hot pockets he requested as payment for his time.

72

Warren Buffet is gonna get free health care. Dick Cheney, too.

73 I's an Arizona thing.  You wouldn't understand.

Neither do I.

74 23 Muffy: "Don't you wonder what happened with McCain." I think I know - like many old men, he's sentimental, and was caught up in the whole "historic moment" crapola. You know how old bank buildings used to be decorated with allegorical bas-reliefs? "Prudence Triumphant, Flanked By Industry And Thrift" - that sort of thing. I think McCain visualized himself as a historic figure in that way - kneeling reverently at the bedside of History, midwifing a New Birth Of Freedom, or whatever sort of fantasy scenario he was playing out in his head. The mere Presidency was insignificant compared to that lofty goal, and he couldn't bear to jeopardize it by even making a show of campaigning against Obama. If he could have placed a laurel wreath on Obama's brow, he would have done it, and seen himself as a benefactor to America and all mankind. He's a deluded old fool, that's all.

75

Why is everyone respondingto the damn trolls? All you are doing is giving him a boner and encouraging him.

If you every want him to get out of his mother's basement and actually get a job you are going to have to quit feeding him.

76 Per Merovign's comments that there's only a year left, that totally echos my concerns. Where is all this organization by any conservatives? They just keep retreating and playing defense. If Obama hasn't given them the greatest target opportunity in 50 years of politics, they're ultimately absolute failures.

So what's the alternative? I know there's talk here about the New Whigs, though Iowa hasn't organized a state chapter yet. Nebraska has one. I'd look at the libertarians if it wasn't for the fact that they're loaded up with Ron Paul foil-hat wearers and often seem to be isolationistic cannibus users more than anything else. Anyone here know of any conservative movements with real energy and focus?

Someone's got to put Obama back on his heels and make him fight for every inch.

77 What is this Dem conceit about new ideas? 

Take over the Auto industry?  Ask the Brits about Leyland.

Take over Health Care?  Lots of countries do it with varying degrees of success.  Ask a Canadian about getting an MRI?  Or ask a cancer patient in UK about getting the newest drug treatment?  Or ask those 15,000 seniors dying because of the heat in France in 2003. 

Take over the banks?  Well, you'd have to believe a lot of myth about the Great Depression and how FDR got us out of it. 

Yet, somehow warmed over socialism = new ideas.  Guess you can sell that to people who believe that changing withholding tables = tax cut.  What's the old saying?  No one ever went broke underestimating the American people.  Obama proves that every day, doesn't he.

78 Honest Cloud, have you ever looked yourself in the mirror and asked yourself if maybe you're wrong? Have you ever questioned yourself? Have you ever debated with yourself about these issues? Or are you just spewing talking points that you got from someone or some website.  So now you can run back to that website and point at the stupid little comments you've made.  So now you can brag to all your peers that you got some people up in arms over your comments - all the while not really believing in anything yourself. All the while really just being an empty bucket of nothing but vile and hate. Is this what you live for?

79 #58 You're not really asserting that the tax code allows a taxpayer with and AGI of $60MM to pay only 17%, are you? I'll give you second to ponder that before responding b/c if you are, then you're mentally ill, seriously.

80 So honest c, its ok in your opinion, for Obama and his administration to constantly lie?

81 I still think the GOP is the best hope.It will be tough but it can be reformed.

82

Since we are not going toget a Top Headlines Post today I’ll put this here.

 

The D-Bag thing from the links:

 

I remember once going home with a girl from Bungalow 8 in NYC who was a 10, and when I saw her naked and ungroomed, I became so disgusted that I asked her to leave my apartment….

 

One wonders if this idiot is for real.

83

Reading Honest Cretin #5:

 

One realizes how the thought processes reign in the People's Councils of the ACLU and ACORN.  Leftwingnut utopia tells you that terrorists are misunderstood children and CEO's are a real threat.  That veterans are terrorists and Castro is a good man.

 

Now you realize why we refer to them as useful fools or fellow travellers.  They act as lemmings so we must encourage them.

 

And they're IQs are so low that it only takes some lemming feed to get them to do what trick we want them to.

 

Fetch Honest Cretin, and tell us about torture again.

84 66 "You still haven't argued for how the Dem's will spin a crap economy in 2010/12 if all of this spending doesn't pan out?"

No need to spin. That's Fox News and El Drugbo's gig.

The economy most likely will be crap in 2010. That is magnitude of Bush's colossal failures.

If by 2012 things aren't looking better things could get a little dicey. But with the GOP having  no leaders, no ideas, and completely in disarray, Obama will still most likely win.

Seriously, what wingnut you gonna run in 2012? Palin? Joe The Plumber? Jindal? Newt? Too funny. You've got no one. No one who has a prayer.

85

What's wrong, little tapeworm?  Got owned like a galley slave on the "most if not all economists" think massive deficit spending is just peachy-keen and now you have to use a fallacy of misdirection (Bush and 9/11) to cover for it?

Maybe your helicopter head-bumping, wrong door opening, Region 1 DVD giving, Saudi king bowing, tax cheat hiring, 57 state visiting, teleprompter-dependant  Messiah can get Rezko to get him a good deal on real estate to help pay for his tax "credits," cap-and-screw consumers energy plan, and Reid's train to Los Angeles.

86

The economy most likely will be crap in 2010. That is magnitude of Bush's colossal failures.

And you came to this conclusion how?

87 Just another instance of McCain sucking up to the Illegal Mexican vote by highlighting the fact that Canada has a loose and porous border too.  It frightens me to think of all those Canadians coming across the border to seek medical treatment that their own government can't give them.  Why, it's just wiping out our ER budgets and shit.  It's a good thing that Obama will fix that when we go to socialized medicine.  That'll stop those dastardly Canadians from coming.  "Sarcasm off now"

88 honest cloud Get some fresh air, I'm going to do the same. Trolling is bad for your health.

89 he economy most likely will be crap in 2010. That is magnitude of Bush's colossal failures.

And you came to this conclusion how?

We're approaching being halfway through 09 and still losing 500,000 jobs a month. And ust yesterday 5 more banks failed. We're just getting started in our freefall.

90

Admit it Honest Cloud, the only reason you like Obama is because he has cute little boobies.

91 Posted by: volfan at April 25, 2009 11:36 AM (C57N4)

Hey volfan,

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Then come back and tell me who is mentally ill.

NEW YORK, June 26 -- Warren E. Buffett was his usual folksy self Tuesday night at a fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as he slammed a system that allows the very rich to pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class.

Buffett cited himself, the third-richest person in the world, as an example. Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent.

92 RE: Bush and the economy.

What, no mention of that Democrat slush fund known as FannieMae//FreddieMac?  That said, I do think that Bush fucked up by emphasizing the "ownership" society.  Giving loans to people who can't pay them back (see Obama and Citibank 1995) is a stupid idea.  So I guess the fact that Obama is having FHA pick up the slack is a bad idea too, right?

93

We're approaching being halfway through 09 and still losing 500,000 jobs a month. And ust yesterday 5 more banks failed. We're just getting started in our freefall.

The Dems are in control. Why don't they fix it?

94 Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:27 AM (hOPQH)

You do understand the difference between income derived from investments, which actually creates jobs and wealth vs. salary, right?

Now, I'm all for lowering the secretary's tax rate, hell I'm for lowering everyone's tax rate (Obama btw hasn't lowered anyone's income tax rate).

You on the other hand seem to want to transfer more investment capital from private hands to the government. How does that help anyone who isn't interested in being a ward of the state from cradle to grave?

And if Buffettis so concerned about tax inequities, he could pay his Secretary more and donate money to the government. There's no law saying you can't over pay your taxes if you don't think they are high enough. Funny how no one who advocates more taxes ever seems to do that. It's almost as if they are big talking BS artists who want others to pay more but not themselves.

95 That doesn't explain how it's still Bush's fault, but you keep yelling about BUSHITLER!!! in 2010 and 2012 and see where that gets you. I'm sure the moderates will think twice before voting for HopeyChange again. You only get to run against the last guy in office once. After that, people get to see your record asshole.

96

And his secretary is paying 30% in taxes?  I thought Obama "cut" her taxes.

Make your mind, little tapeworm.

Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at April 25, 2009

Obama did just cut her taxes, douche bag.

97 How did that man ever win the GOP nomination?

Simcox for U.S. Senate 2010

98 tcbevo,

It was easy. Bush = teh bad. Therefore, anything that is bad is teh Bush's fault.

Meanwhile, outside of "wingnuttia" Obama = teh good. Therefore, anything that is good is to Obama's credit.

If the economy is teh bad in 2010, it's Bush's fault.

(And the mild recession of late 2000 to 2001 was Bush's fault too. Clinton bares no responsibility. QED)

I'm the roxxor.

99

Well honest cloud, you asked who gave a rat's ass, so I answered you. Sure an apology appears to suffice, but the slight is not forgotten when it comes time to negotiate. The US/Canada border is 5,525 miles long. I believe having a good relationship with Canada is in the best interests of the US.

By the way, I think you are a stupid knuckledragging asshole. I hope you get a boil on your ass and when you try to see a doctor in the glorious new "Obama care" era you are put on a 3 month waiting list and in the meantime the boil grows and festers and oozes until not even hobos can stand the stench of you.

100 apparently a better troll than TDub has been assigned to us by Axelrod.  Ace might be able to use that as a selling point to advertisers.  Trolls aren't known for their intelligence though.

Jeez, this sounds like a Biden screwup. 

intemperate thought: hm, i wonder if I hooked up with meghan, she would (a) stop being in the limelight to say stupid stuff, and (b) her dad would be cool with me using their family money in order to get into federal-level politics.

----

haha.  o/t leftie protesters threw pepper spray grenades at police, but the wind shifted and blew it back at them.  It's like the algore effect on weather... proof God hates lefties.

101 That was to tcbevo's #87.

102 "You do understand the difference between income derived from investments, which actually creates jobs and wealth vs. salary, right?"

Yes. I have a degree in accounting. And both labor and capital are necessary to create wealth.

103 I'm going out to do some yard work and enjoy the weather.

Keep it up, crazies. You provide me with hours of amusement. And that, I have to thank you for.

Bye for now.

104 The economy most likely will be crap in 2010.

So what was that stimulus thing for anyway?  Even Keynes himself would have said that if you can't forstall the recession, ride it out.  Because if you're going to get a recession anyway, make sure you aren't in debt for fruitless efforts to end it.

Liberals like to call themselves educated, but they aren't smart.  Not at all.  Basic economics is not hard.  You can reason it out for yourself.  But you won't.  You'd rather have priests tell you what to believe.

Or at least, what you want to hear.

That is magnitude of Bush's colossal failures.

Really?  Did he sue Citibank to get them to make bad loans?

Were there Republicans appointed to the boards of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

Even the CEOs of all the private Wall Street firms were HUGE Dem contributors.

The fact is that the only reason we are in this recession at all is because business is in fear that the Great Red Hope will pull the rug out from under them with, for example, cap and trade or socialized medicine or God knows what.

105 "honest" cloud -- That name simply cracks me all to hell. Self-delusion is ha ha funny.

106 If  you are sick, stay home.  Stay away from public places and crowds.  Cover your mouth when you sneeze.  Don't touch your face with your hands unless you wash your hands first.  (Tips from Vinoker on Fox news) AND if you have flu like symptoms go to the doctor and stay home.

107 honest cloud,

At what point in this apparently terminal decline of our country's fortunes will Obamassiah (pbuh) take responsibility for his domestic policy? He can't blame Bush forever, although I am sure that he will try. The business cycle would have fixed the problems had he done nothing, and his insane spending will simply prolong the recession.

Regardless of your belief in Keynes, the money has to be paid back. How is that going to change the business dynamic in this country? The amounts are staggering, yet you blithely jabber on about...well, I can't really tell. Once again, how is the country going to prosper under an unprecedented debt?

108 104 May a rabid ground hog clamp onto your balls. Bye for now.

109 HC... then I would assume that at some point in your accounting studies, you would have learned that investing and income are taxed at different rates.  Which is how buffett got his 17.7% rate.  The money he makes gets taxed at capital gains rates, not income tax rates.  Capital gains rates are lower in order to encourage saving and a more efficient allocation/distribution of capital.

110 "Basic economics is not hard.  You can reason it out for yourself." by Amish Dude @ 105

Fair enough. But anything past basic economics gets quite a bit more difficult because some of it is counterintuitive unless you understand the basic stuff quite well: international trade and currency valuations, for example.

The modeling isn't that easy even for a math guy like yourself.

111

Mmmm, eating logic-impaired trolls.

They're not just for breakfast anymore.

112 Whether they came through Canada or not I must ask. Who gives a rat's ass?

Who gives a rats ass about the facts surrounding 911? Not our so-called "head of homeland security", and not the the crazed denizens of Moonbattia. But none of this is exactly a surprise.

113 There was a street person (also known as a bum)/counter-culture hero/poet by the name of Pink Cloud, who lived in Berkeley in the 70s and 80s. Maybe honest cloud is his spawn?

114

McCain's not just a RINO.  He's also not a smart politician.

I realized this in 2000, when he bravely and courageously denounced right-wing Christians, to wild applause from libs and the media (but I repeat myself).

Hey Maverick, those right-wing Christians were also voters in the GOP primaries--whose votes you might want or need.  Whether you like them or not, you might've found another way to express it without pissing them off.

Not very smart, insulting a portion of your party's base while trying to win that party's nomination.  And then he spent the next 8 years annoying Republican voters in general.  Which is why I thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination in 2008, or ever.  Shows ya what I know.

Not very smart.  But still light-years smarter than the likes of Honest Cloud.

Also, I agree with the theory that McCain was willing to lose so as not to deny the country its historic first half-black idiot president.

God, I hope Obama loses in 2012, if for no other reason than the chance to make cracks about the historic nature of the first black president to be voted out.

 

115 Not quite as tasty as, say, roasted hobo with a nice bersaise sauce, but good nonetheless.

116

Yes. I have a degree in accounting.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:59 AM (hOPQH)

I doubt you work as one because nobody would hire an accountant that was so stupid he thought changing withholding tables amounted to a tax cut.

117

Cloudy, do you believe in the Constitution or do you think it's a flawed document like some of your comrades?  In other words, are you comfortable allowing this administration to re-write the basic substance that this country was founded upon? And if so, why are you guys on the left OK with changing the political landscape of this country, your country, this country where your fellow Americans fight to protect you, but you're not OK with changing the political landscape of countries that harbor people who want to do us harm?

118 tsj.... that's why I dubbed him the seppuku candidate.

119 another tasty comment from teh D-Bag's link:
"your pictures would be better if they were of someone else"

120 "90 he economy most likely will be crap in 2010. That is magnitude of Bush's colossal failures.

And you came to this conclusion how?

We're approaching being halfway through 09 and still losing 500,000 jobs a month. And ust yesterday 5 more banks failed. We're just getting started in our freefall.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:50 AM (hOPQH)"

Name the 5 banks that failed please?

121 And what a surprise. Obama hasn't been able to repair the catastrophic damage George Bush left behind in his first 100 days.

Since Obama is doing the exact same stupid things which Bush did, only raised to the power of ten,  it's hardly a surprise that he has failed to "undo" Bush's damage. He is not trying to undo it.

Moronic moonbats like you disgust me. You can slam Bush for his dumb economic plicies and in the exact same sentence you can praise your Lord Obama for his identical dumb economic policies. But the only words you say which you are serious about are the "wingnuts" ones. Everything else is just an excuse for you to come here and toss of your insults. You don't know and don't care to know anything about the economy.

122

Obama did just cut her taxes, douche bag.

A tax credit is not a tax cut, douchebag.  Where did you get your accounting degree, the Frank Abagnale School of Fraud?

123 the reason the economy will stink for awhile is because that while we do need some changes to the system, the ones The One are doing will only create a stasis environment - one in which there wont be an economic collapse but there will be no growth/recovery either.  It will instead be like the 70's.  If you look at the history of the stock market, you will notice that the market trended flat between 1964-1982, thanks to the exact same type of economic policies obama advocates.  Inflation got worse and worse, until the gargantuan mess Reagan inherited.  People's savings were destroyed and income increases were the result of (and gobbled up) by the inflation.  And it is not an R or a D thing... its an economic policy thing.

124 "124 the reason the economy will stink for awhile is because that while we do need some changes to the system, the ones The One are doing will only create a stasis environment - one in which there wont be an economic collapse but there will be no growth/recovery either.  It will instead be like the 70's.  If you look at the history of the stock market, you will notice that the market trended flat between 1964-1982, thanks to the exact same type of economic policies obama advocates.  Inflation got worse and worse, until the gargantuan mess Reagan inherited.  People's savings were destroyed and income increases were the result of (and gobbled up) by the inflation.  And it is not an R or a D thing... its an economic policy thing.

Posted by: A.G. at April 25, 2009 12:18 PM (LOq8a)"

STAGFLATION

125

NEW YORK, June 26 -- Warren E. Buffett was his usual folksy self Tuesday night at a fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as he slammed a system that allows the very rich to pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class.

Funny how all these ultra rich people support Democrats, isn't it?

126

"Why is everyone respondingto the damn trolls? All you are doing is giving him a boner and encouraging him."  Silly!MY God!Have you ever seen a Troll boner?Its fantastic!

127

Name the 5 banks that failed please?

Posted by: muffy at April 25, 2009 12:13 PM

First Bank of Beverly Hills CA
Heritage Bank MI
American Southern Bank GA
First Bank of Idaho ID

The fifth one escapes me or it maybe was only 4.

You're welcome. And I gotta run

128 and as flenser said... If Bush policies = bad.  And Obama policies = 4x what Bush did.  Thus Obama policies = 4x worse than Bush.  Basic math... or did they not teach that at your "accounting school"?

129 muffy... exactly.  I just assumed they didnt teach that at HC's accounting school

130 "128

Name the 5 banks that failed please?

Posted by: muffy at April 25, 2009 12:13 PM

First Bank of Beverly Hills CA
Heritage Bank MI
American Southern Bank GA
First Bank of Idaho ID

The fifth one escapes me or it maybe was only 4.

You're welcome. And I gotta run

Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 12:21 PM (hOPQH)"

According to the Bank implode website only three banks failed.

131 "Since Obama is doing the exact same stupid things which Bush did"

Blowing a trillion an an unnecessary war that got us nothing, zero, is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.

132 Obama just cut taxes you imbecile.

I laughed out loud.

DJIA end of session on January 4th 2007, the start of the Democratically controlled 110th Congress:  12,800.18
National unemployment rate for December 2006:  4.5%
2006 Federal Budget Deficit:  $247.7 billion
8000 earmarks in the earmark-free timulus bill
Average Monthly GDP growth for 2006:   3.4%

133

Wait one year.

A lot of people who don't make a lot of money get an income tax refund of $300 - $400 every year. They really look forward to getting it. They've been receiving it for years.

Next year they'll have to pay (many for the first time in their lives) $300 - $400.

While the economy still sucks.

There's gonna be lots and lots of angry taxpayers next year.

134 I assume his accounting school was something like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
5LxC3M-Yngs&feature=related

lyrics:
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/
practicalmagic/coconut.htm

135 We at Honest Cloud Accounting do our hardest to make sure you pay the highest amount in taxes based on your income level. Warren Buffet hired us to do his taxes and he went from paying 17.7 percent in taxes to a whopping 55 percent!!

That's change you can believe in!

If you're making just enough money to pay taxes, we'll make you FEEL like you're paying less taxes by changing the withholding tables! But don't worry, you'll still be paying the same amount you always have, because we're here to make sure government gets as much money as possible. Because you deserve to pay for someone else's health care and government's out of control spending.

Call us at 368-243-2247, and mention "Praise be to Obama" to receive a 5% increase in taxes paid! Hope! Change!*

*Paid for by Axelrod Astroturf LLC.

136 Well fox news went on the attack this morning noting that $1.5 TRILLION has been spent and asking Americans to demand their money back.  So, of course the emails went out to go on the blogs and make sure they counterattack  what fox is saying today.

137

Yes. I have a degree in accounting. And both labor and capital are necessary to create wealth.

Unfortunately brains and hard work are necessary too.  Guess that leaves Zero and his tax-cheat, Asian-Studies degree-holding Treasury Secretary out in the cold.  But, hey, who cares when you're determined to take down the country?

 

138
"DJIA end of session on January 4th 2007, the start of the Democratically controlled 110th Congress:  12,800.18
National unemployment rate for December 2006:  4.5%
2006 Federal Budget Deficit:  $247.7 billion
8000 earmarks in the earmark-free timulus bill
Average Monthly GDP growth for 2006:   3.4%"   The 'pubs(if they were smart) should be pointing those facts/numbers out,over,and over,and over again.If it was the other way around ,its all you would be hearing right now.sheesh.

139 My friend filed her income tax and is beside herself.  She made what she describes as a "piddling amount of money" and she could not believe she had to pay taxes and got no refund.  If there are a lot of my friends out there, people are going to start to get angry.

140 Blowing a trillion an an unnecessary war that got us nothing, zero, is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.


For a girl who keeps saying she's gotta run, you seem to be having a hard time leaving.

According to your own Lord Obama any and all government spending is "stimulus", so you are disagreeing with Obama here. Jobs for Colt and Lockheed are still jobs.

141

Blowing a trillion an an unnecessary war that got us nothing, zero, is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.

At least TRY to pretend that you were aware of Bush's spending beyond GWOT.  Because even with that, Obama's budgets, even at his most optimistic projection, never once go into the black, and never go under the amount that Bush spent.  Where exactly is the money going to come from?  Because even if you took every penny of income from every person making over $250,000 for the next ten years, you still couldn't pay for all the debt Obama is accumulating.  By your logic, every person with $10,000 in credit card debt should jack it up to $100,000 in debt, since it would "provide jobs for Americans".  That bill is going to come due sometime, though, and Hillary won't be able to convince the Chinese to continue funding our spending spree forever.

I distinctly recall lefties like yourself criticizing Bush for leaving massive debt for his successor down the road, yet when Obama plans on leaving another $13 trillion (not counting interest) for his successor to pay off, you pretend that it's no big deal. 

Where is the money going to come from?

142 Hey, honest cloud, I will give you some criticism!

Cap and trade will destroy my state, Indiana, who gets 94% of its energy from coal.
I don't like Obama trashing the United States or George Bush overseas.  It makes the nation look weak.
I don't like him bowing to the Saudi king.
I don't like him making nice with Chavez.
I don't like the fact that my grandchildren will be overwhelmed with taxes to pay for the debt he is incurring.
I don't like it that he is NOT bi-partisan, but merely gives the GOP what he wants and trashed them if they don't agree.
I don't like his releasing the CIA memos and the photos of abused prisoners, which exist because they were evidence in prosecutions, which means that the perps were already caught and there's no need for the release.
I don't like his wife's constant acting like the White House is Disneyland and ignoring its history.
I don't like his supporters acting like a gang of brownshirts.
I don't like his appointing pro-choice Catholics and sticking it to my Church.
I don't like his constant insults with cheesy gifts to allies.
I don't like his constant need to be on television lecturing us.
I don't like the effort to socialize medicine.
I don't like the removal of the vouchers for the DC kids, while his kids go to Sidwell Friends.
I don't like his veiled threats to prosecute people from the Bush administration.
I don't like his failure to get any assistance in Afghanistan from our allies, who think he is a lightweight.
I don't like his ramping up Afghanistan without supporting our military strongly.
I don't like his attempt to get the military to use their own insurance to pay for their injuries.
I don't like his always using a teleprompter.
I don't like the fact that he has appointed tax cheats and lobbyists to administration positions.

There.  Chew on that for a while.  There is PLENTY to criticize, and I am sure I left some things out.  Why don't you go read the stupid White House web site, which does NOT inspire any confidence in me, and which only an Obama glorification site, ignoring anything important.

Go pound sand.

143 Speaking of websites, what has happened to all those websites where you could leave a comment for the president?  The president is in a cocoon now, not in touch with the people.  I mean sure he reads mail from ten people everyday but does he go down to the WH mail room and pick them himself or are they carefully chosen?

144 Classic troll behavior. Step one, dismiss the actual topic of the thread, which is awkward to argue about. Step two - change the topic to something else, the one you prefer to talk about. Step three - even on that different topic, throw out a bucket load of ignorant assertions and then don't bother to try to back them up. Step four - exit stage left while making sneering comments about "wingnuts".

145 Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at April 25, 2009 12:32 PM (/Pw+r)

Um.......wait wait wait and I know the answer. TREES! Because money grows on trees Amirite?

146 Yes. I have a degree in accounting. And both labor and capital are necessary to create wealth.
Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:59 AM (hOPQH)

Given the rise in unemployment, we clearly don't have a labor shortage. Given the downturn in economic activity and corresponding tightening of credit, we clearly have a capital shortage.

So 'splain to me how raising taxes on capital helps with that?

And as always, keep in mind, I'm in favor of cutting taxes on labor as well.

147 Yes. I have a degree in accounting. And both labor and capital are necessary to create wealth.
Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 11:59 AM (hOPQH)

And giving tens of billions more to FreddieMac/Fannie Mae,and ACORN(the 3 biggest causes of the current economic failure)is brilliance,right?Well,what the hell.You dems fought against reform,and more oversight of Mac/Mae since 2002.brilliance.And voter fraud is clearly not a crime.as long as its for your side.FOAD

148 #96: You only get to run against the last guy in office once. Tell that to Herbert Hoover. The Dems have been running against him every four years since '28, and he's been dead for decades. People like Dishonest Clod still bring him up, if not indirectly, with their Great Depression lines, because they successfully dehumanized him, just like they've done to Chimpy McBushilter, and they're not about to let that political investment go to waste.

149 Yeah!these old guys had their time...its time for them to go!  oh.wait...

150 144: Speaking of websites, what has happened to all those websites where you could leave a comment for the president? The president is in a cocoon now, not in touch with the people. ------- Not only is he in a cocoon, he has made certain that no one will dare tell him something he doesn't want to hear.

151

Give it time.

The Democrats and their allies, the MSM, didn't know how to react to the tax protests this year.

Wait until next year when everybody is going to have to shell out an extra $676 by April 15th. Lots of people will learn they never got a tax cut -- they just got snookered. There will be widespread outrage.

I predict many more and much louder tax protests next year.

It'll loads of fun to watch the Dems and MSM react.

152

Blowing a trillion an an unnecessary war that got us nothing, zero, is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.

My turn.

Unnecessary war. You are, of course, referring to the one we didn't start? That resulted in the unnecessary deaths of some 3,000 of your fellow countrymen? The one started by a group that has admitted it's been at war with us for over 25 years? That war? You're sure now, right? The war that made sure we didn't get attacked again?

...is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.

You mean all those jobs building tanks, Humvees, uniforms, guns and ammo and all the other stuff our military needs? So... none of those jobs were filled by Americans? None? Really?

You really should put on some pants, go upstairs and ask your Mommy to fix you some lunch while you e-mail your Astroturfer-overlord and tell him you came here and did the best you could.

 

153  
Always Bushes fault.
Funny how libs never want to talk about the catalyst for the
economic melt down and the major players in involved.
The cruel part are the lower/fixed income people who voted for this doofus were the hammer blows will hit hardest with higher cost of living.

154 Since this has already turned into an open thread, I'll post this here.

http://tinyurl.com/c9gmss

I think it's time for Ace to distance himself from this Johnson nutjob. Even if it means giving up on the PJM moolah. (Which I gather ain't much these days anyway.)

155 The modeling isn't that easy even for a math guy like yourself.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 25, 2009 12:06 PM (fnU+z)

Now wait just one damned minute!

Oh, OK.  You're right.  It isn't easy, that's true, but even though I'm not an expert in stochastic PDEs, I think I can piece it together if needed.

In my experience, economics is the art of discovering an area of math, renaming it and getting a Nobel Prize.  Keynes: geometric series.  Laffer: convex functions.  I even saw a talk by a Harvard economist that was little more than an easy exercise in graph theory.  He even used the word "expander" without knowing what a Cheeger constant was.  I'm sure setting up the model was quite novel, but once you put it into the lap of a mathematician, it's all old stuff.

Trust me,  nonintuitive is not a problem.

156 flenser, let me make the link hot:

http://tinyurl.com/c9gmss

And say that the title is "Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs falls for fauxtography!"

That should whet the appetite.

157 Speaking of unnecessary wars, Obama's war on the Free Economy  is one that will cost at least 10 times more than the Iraq war and last far longer than my grand kids will.

158 Posted by: flenser at April 25, 2009 01:00 PM (Hu6SB)

What an idiot Johnson is. He's childishly blocking referrals from Jihad Watch (way to engage in open debate CJ!) and then he plays the 'fake but accurate' card?

Me thinks someone's 15 minutes of internet fame has gone to their head.

159 Programming flow for Axelbot "Dishonest Clod":

1. Post a bullshit comment containing at minimum one lie, falsehood, evasion, or stunning revelation of ignorance. Non-sequiturs are especially encouraged; relating the comment to the blog post is considered poor form.
2. Watch as said bullshit comment is destroyed because it's composed of thundering illogic and easily-refutable Demtard talking points
3. Never, ever, ever, not once, EVER, respond to the content which has reduced its arguments to a vast smoky toxic rubble. Responses are allowed, but must not (and cannot) relate to the content - senseless random outbursts blaming Bush, even for what the Democratically-controlled Congress did from 2007 on, are especially useful here.
4. Occasionally threaten to leave forever. Never do so.
5. Goto 1.

160 "Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs falls for fauxtography!"

That's being charitable about it. Given his descent into insanity it seem quite possible that CJ whipped up that pic himself.

161

Can't anybody here play this *&$# game?!! McCain, Steele,... Bueller?

*&$# - substitute you own AOSHQ-approved naughty words like "poopy-head", etc.

162 Posted by: flenser


Post by Charles responding to rightside...

re: #1 rightside

    In my opinion the lower photo is the original. It appears they were inserted into the top photo, as evidenced by the lighting on them not matching the background.

    my 2 cents.

Maybe, but it doesn't matter.

So Chuckie has finally come full circle to becoming Dan Rather!

Fake, but accurate.

163 It's gone be a long 8 years in Wingnuttia. And I am savoring every minute of it.

Normally the number "4" comes after "3".  But maybe that's just in Wingnuttia.

164 Blowing a trillion an an unnecessary war that got us nothing, zero, is quite different that spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.

Oh come on, you guys spent eight years saying this was "a war for oil," you can at least give us that much.

If Obama's spending were merely a trillion, I'd be happy right now.  We're looking at trillion dollar deficits per year, cloud, by his own numbers much less other people's who, um, think this could go a little higher.

160 Programming flow for Axelbot "Dishonest Clod": . . .

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 25, 2009 01:22 PM (fG8zy)

In fairness, that's pretty much the average liberal's debating playbook, but you need to add in calling everybody who disagrees with you a racist/bigot/homophobe and comparing them to Hitler.

165 Can't anybody here play this *&$# game?!! McCain, Steele,... Bueller?

No - next question?

166 "Obama just cut taxes you imbecile."

Honest Cloud is apparently as smart as McCain.

Congress is starting to hint that like all his other promises, that 400 dollar tax cut won't be around next year.

That cut was income tax withholding only. That will be more than eaten up by cigarette, fuel, plastic bag, government forms, internet sales tax, FICA and Medicare increases or new taxes. That's before our state legislative vultures come to pick what meat is left on the bones.

Honest Clod, at least andros and erg are amusing. You just type talking points and insults over and over.

Now go home and get your fuckin' shinebox

167 It's of almost no use talking to card check carrying Obamanaughts like Honest (Orwellian) Cloud. They have that there super-massive memory hole that will not even allow reality itself to escape their influence without being bent and twisted beyond recognition as it exits the known universe and pops back into Moonbat space. But hell! The new official dialectical reality was once objective reality-based...Right? Scientific socialism and all that.

I love how the social justice bombs Carter's solar-powered administration set are blowing the crap outta the Carter² 'new economy' and it's all Capitalism's fault...Again. CRA anyone?

 I just wish that people who haven't been loyal useful idiots for the One's true party didn't have to ride the zero-point express to Stagflasia. I for one don't wanna party like it's 1978 again and I don't give a fusk if the train is on time. I do however take some small bit of solace in contemplating the likelihood that Zero's rewarmed Milizia Volontaria per la Sicurezza Nazionale greenshirt trolls will be able to convince the American people that down is the new[speak] up for much longer. Ramen ala ketchup dinners kinda fixes a man's gaze on the evolutionary advantages of Real reality over consensual reality in some reality-based commutard village.

On the gloomier side, this is how it [fascism] begins:

<sup>- The Utopian  _____shirt HopeyChangey policies that propelled them to power blow up in everyone's faces despite 24/7 propaganda campaigns.

- Utopians are 'forced' to institute more civil controls on wrong thinking people's ability to express their displeasure.

- Individual Liberty takes a back seat to the maintainance of a specific officially approved order that happens to rest firmly within the idiological confines of the Utopianist vision.

- People wake up and realize that shit Utopia sucks ass and that equality of outcome is a chimerical farce.

- Common citizens are seperated from the means of resisting the entrenched "order".

- Demonetization/demonization of unfavorable groups, escalating purges of centers of power, and enforcement of ideological purity via the business end of central authority's guns ensues...</sup>

Yup HC. You're a regular vanguard of the proletariat alright.

168

I'm telling Charles you're talking about him.

He doesn't like it when people talk about him.

It makes his paranoia worse.

169

I'm really into water sports.Can I talk about pee here too?

170 Has anyone bothered to tell Buffet that there's nothing that requires him to take deductions?  That there's no rule against paying extra taxes?

I mean, if he's so concerned that 17.7% isn't enough, he could always pay more.

Just sayin'.

171

Miss Marple @ 143--All that, and I'd like to add:

I don't like it that Obama refers to Americans as "workers."

I don't like it that he frequently defends his policy proposals by saying, "it's not just me..." and refers to some other person or group who might have mentioned something similar.  If you're the President of the Go'ram Free World, then at least have the balls to stand up for your own policies.

172 171 Has anyone bothered to tell Buffet that there's nothing that requires him to take deductions?  That there's no rule against paying extra taxes?

I mean, if he's so concerned that 17.7% isn't enough, he could always pay more.

Just sayin'.
Posted by: brian at April 25, 2009 02:20 PM

Are you really this fucking stupid? Buffet is referring to out horribly unfair tax code. Good God. Do the math. One guy's taxes don't amount to a hill of beans. And Buffet gives plenty away. He just gave $37 billion to charity.

173 April and Miss Marple,

I really like how Obama is handling things. And calling out the wingnuts on their bullshit is my favorite.

So far he has made all the right moves. And it's just killing you guys. And I could not be happier. It's gonna be a long 8 years in Wingnuttia. Enjoy yourselves.

And if it makes you feel any better you will too reap the benefits of his wisdom and sound policy even though you really don't deserve it.

174 Pop.

175 "He just gave $37 billion to charity."
So how much can he declare as a tax deduction (as well as other deductions) to lower his tax liability to 17%?

176 176 "He just gave $37 billion to charity."
So how much can he declare as a tax deduction (as well as other deductions) to lower his tax liability to 17%?

Posted by: YIKES! at April 25, 2009

This board is truly filled with the biggest bunch of imbeciles I have run across. Don't hurt yourself trying to understand the ignorance of your post.

177 Can we just admit the man is senile? He can't remember names unless he has like 5 minutes to collect himself. He won the primaries because our party respects senority and military service.

178 Please 'splain it to us HC.

179 177 176 "He just gave $37 billion to charity."
So how much can he declare as a tax deduction (as well as other deductions) to lower his tax liability to 17%?

Posted by: YIKES! at April 25, 2009

This board is truly filled with the biggest bunch of imbeciles I have run across. Don't hurt yourself trying to understand the ignorance of your post.

Well dicknose your the account I'm not.
Explain to me.
Short version.

180 Bring back erg. He's a rocket scientist compared to this twat.

181 Well dicknose your the account I'm not.
Explain to me.
Short version.

I don't think this twat is an accountant; he just has a degree in it, assuming he's telling the truth.  He's an expert like Bammers is a really really big expert on the Constitution despite no evidence of him having any more grasp of the subject than a retarded person.  If he was a real accountant he'd point out items in the tax code that he thinks are unjust rather than spew out Warren Buffett garbage like your typical Axelturd.

Ignore this polesmoker; he's completely bogus.

182 On the day it was clear that McCain / Hillary / Obama was going to be the next president, I had the feeling that we were being punished unfairly.

183 Posted by: YIKES! at April 25, 2009

"Well dicknose your the account I'm not.
Explain to me."

I don't do homework for folks that call me dicknose. Go to school son. Uninformed and ignorant is no way to go through life.

184 So, honest cloud, you think he has made all the right moves?

I take it this means you thing the DVD set to Gordon Brown was a swell idea, that you think the idea of having the wounded soldiers use their own insurance to pay for their injuries was just hunkey dorey, and that you condone bowing to the Saudi king.

I'm sure that you liked his friendly overture to Chavez, too.  I will be sure to convey that to my sister's best friend, who is living in Miami because she is afraid of how bad things are in Caracas, and didn't want to raise her daughter there.

You might peruse my list and April's supplement.   It might give you a clue as to how remotely removed you are from the Americans who actually love this nation.

You see, George Bush wouldn't question your patriotism, but I do.  I don't believe anyone who supports all of those policies I listed loves this country or her people.  In fact, I am certain Obama's overriding goal is to detroy the United States. 

Honest to God, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended the Afghanistan war tomorrow and told all the troops to find their own way home.

185 Honest Cloud,


Lay off the fire water and peace pipe. Your poor little brain is fried.

186 Oh, and Captain Hare is right. Though I have an accounting degree from a Big Ten University I am not an accountant. Though I do know quite a bit about it.

187

Hahahahahaha.

OK, Jesus the clod's latest just about did me in. For someone who claims a degree in accounting he fails to grasp the irony of the "gave 37 million away" and "pays just 17.7%" statements. Could there be a connection there? Nah, he just gave that money away out of the goodness of his big old heart.

Also, I'm fairly pissed that I did not know until now that the top income tax bracket was 17.7%, I've been paying what is it 35% or so for years now. My accountant has some serious explaining to do.  /sarc

 

 

188 Mr. Olberdouche? Is that you and your fancy degree?

189 In fact, I am certain Obama's overriding goal is to destroy the United States. 

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 25, 2009 03:20 PM

Congratulations. For the most idiotic post of the day. And that's sayin something as the competition here is intense.

190 spending a trillion right here at home that provides jobs for Americans.


dude? where are all these shovel ready jobs for mainly non-white contractors? shouldn't we be seeing some decrease in unemployment with all the shovels being utilized? 800B worth of shovel turning?

191 I don't do homework for folks that call me dicknose. Go to school son. Uninformed and ignorant is no way to go through life.
honest cloud at April 25, 2009 03:20 PM (hOPQH)

Considering the names you call people on this blog, not only are you a dicknose your a flat out pussy as well.

192 Turtle

Those shovels are busy digging the economy's grave.

193 What is it with these jaw droppers every fucking day!?  Shit.  Bush II was a statesman compared to these people.

194 NEITHER Napolitano nor McCain were BORN in Arizona.

Napolitano hails from NYC--so eat that.

195 Hey HC,

Consider this a freebie, or if you would prefer I'll take 60% of your income to pay for it.  Either way...

Fuck you and fuck off you fucking cockholster troll

Granted, it's not a very nuanced way to tell you to get bent, but it works....

(I know Ace wanted us to cut aback on the profanity, but I can't stands no more of this fucking waste of Gaia's oxygen.)

196
I shall now refer to you as Dicknose McCloud.

197 Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 03:25 PM (hOPQH)

Thought you were going out to do some yard work?

Oh, silly me, you probably don't own your own home.  Or you hired some nifty "undocumented workers" to take care of it for ya perhaps?

198 "it makes you feel any better you will too reap the benefits of his wisdom and sound policy"

/puff o' smoke

199 Can anyone point to anything meaningful, worth saving in this party? I think we need to send the elephant to the glue factory--HatlessHessian

I am pointing to the elephant!

200 catmman,

Dicknose McCloud is at the CIA thread.

201

You know I really fear reaping the benefits of Obama's wisdom and "sound" policy.

To paraphrase, with benefits like these, who needs enemies?

202 Honest to God, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended the Afghanistan war tomorrow and told all the troops to find their own way home.
Posted by: Miss Marple

He'll imitate Napoleon, squeezing himself through the crack leaving the military without proper command or supplies. Obama has no allegiance to America, and eschews the military. 

203

You know I really fear reaping the benefits of Obama's wisdom and "sound" policy.

That asshole has no overarching plan.  Which is his plan.  Fuck everything up to grow the size of gubmint.

204 I think it's time for Ace to distance himself from this Johnson nutjob. Even if it means giving up on the PJM moolah. (Which I gather ain't much these days anyway.)

Posted by: flenser at April 25, 2009 01:00 PM (Hu6SB)   I just read thhe article and comments over at Jihad Watch.Wow..apparently to LGF'ers these days,someone shaking hands with a supposed racist/fascist/whatever,confirms they are one too!Im sure they are going ballistic  over the video of obama shaking hands with hugo chavez!That proves(in LGF terms) that obama IS a commie/socialist dictator wannabe! Also,LGF should be damn proud that CAIR is using charles in their propaganda now!how many sharks can ya jump,dude?

205 you will too reap the benefits of his wisdom and sound policy

Cunning demagoguery is not "wisdom", even by the preztelesque twisting of words common to drooling leftards. And sound policy? Adding a trillion dollars to the deficit in a single year is not sound policy.  Adding a trillion dollars a year to the deficit FOR TEN YEARS is most definitely not sound policy. But if you knew anything about accounting , or basic math, or even numbers, like you pretend to, you'd realize that.

You don't, so you're a lying sack of shit.

206

Uninformed and ignorant is no way to go through life.

So what's your excuse, tapeworm? 

You're actually stupid enough to argue that a tax credit is a tax cut--particularly when it's the same voodoo bs that Bush pulled with his "stimulus" checks.  Christ, Obama can't even bribe people properly without ripping off Bush's greatest hits, but you actually think this is fresh and new.  Obama's ultimate plan to eventually pay for this nonsense is to input a cap-and-screw people boondoggle that will cost $800 per household if energy companies don't pass along the cost of higher energy mandated by the government to consumers; if they do, it could cost nearly $4000 per household.  Essentially, Obama expects companies to operate at a loss for the good of the country--Ayn Rand would be snickering at this mindset.  In other words, cap-and-trade doesn't pay down the deficit; at best, it comes out even in cost/income ratios.  At worst, it raises the cost of living for everyone, including the poor.  Yet you're stupid enough to argue that this would be the bee's knees.

You can't even explain how Obama leaving $13 trillion in debt for his successor (plus interest) to pay down is better than Bush spending one third of that without myopically focusing on GWOT. 

Only a tapeworm would make these arguments and believe that they were coherent, logical, factual, or made any economic sense at all.  No wonder you sound like a clueless idiot every time you post.

 

207 He won the primaries because our party respects senority and military service.

No he didn't.  He won the primaries because nobody was the clear frontrunner and there were a few states with open primaries that put him over the top.  Democrats and "independents" selected the Republican nominee.

208 187 Oh, and Captain Hare is right. Though I have an accounting degree from a Big Ten University I am not an accountant. Though I do know quite a bit about it.
Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 03:22 PM

Not enough to impress employers it would appear since you're spending your daytime hours as a paid troll.

209 191: where are all these shovel ready jobs for mainly non-white contractors? ---- First, Obama had to order a buttload of shovels. Which are being made in China, of course.

210 ...Maybe, if he really wants to accomplish something, he can put together a panel of "real people" and have them fix the health care system and then put it before congress.  "Real people" have no ax to grind, no favors for friends, no motive but to make sure every American is covered, the system is fair, and someone somewhere isn't making an enormous profit....

Posted by: muffy at April 25, 2009 11:16 AM (zplc6)

Muffy,

You describe yourself as an independent.  I'm curious, why is it important to you that "someone somewhere isn't making an enormous profit"?

 If some sort of system were devised that could ensure that "every American is covered" (your desideratum, not necessarily mine) and someone or even many someones made tons of money in return for providing such coverage and/or health care would you think that a good thing? 

Or, would a profit motive necessarily violate your conception of a system that is "fair".  If so, why?  This is an honest inquiry, not a gotcha of some sort.  I understand the distaste for cronyism in politics etc., and I think that I have a handle on the way the need for "universal coverage" has been framed thus far in the debate (dishonestly, IMO but that's for another time).  What I'm trying to get a better grasp of is how self described independents or moderates who are not really wonkinsh on this issue are thinking about things.

211 J Mac is just being bipartisan and showing that he can reach across the isle to be just as stupid as a Democrat and like a Democrat can stick his foot in his mouth on a regular basis.

212 And most if not all economists agree that government spending is the fastest and most effective way out.

Good one!

I doubt even you believe this assininity.

213 Obama just cut taxes you imbecile.

Of course he did no such thing.

But, since you're idiotically proclaiming he did, which tax rate declined?

Tell us, stupid. Your answer will be illumining.

And most if not all economists agree that government spending is the fastest and most effective way out.

Really?

National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers is championing the $787 billion stimulus bill President Obama signed in February to spur economic activity. But eight years ago, he had a different view. "The idea that a huge spending program is the way to stimulate the economy, or the idea that the way to get better at high tech is for the government to take over the technology industries, these kinds of ideas basically have become passe because they've been disproven," Summers said in an April 2001 interview with PBS. "They don't represent a reading of experience." Citing his "enormous respect" for conservative economist Milton Friedman, Summers said, "There is something about this epoch in history that really puts a premium on incentives, on decentralization, on allowing small economic energy to bubble up rather than a more top-down, more directed approach, that may have been a more fruitful approach in earlier years."

Oh well, your lunacy will continue...

214 While his secretary who made $60 thousand, paid 30% in taxes.

This is an out and out lie.

215 What's your idea? Another tax cut for the rich? How'd that last one work out?

Taxes were never cut "for the rich" you abject imbecile.

But as a point of fact, after the "Bush tax cuts" were enacted the deficit was down to $220 billion and unemployment was down below 4.5% and the DOW was over 14,000.

But I guess you are too dumb to remember that.

216 Buffet is referring to out horribly unfair tax code. Good God. Do the math. One guy's taxes don't amount to a hill of beans. And Buffet gives plenty away. He just gave $37 billion to charity.

Hilarious. Um, stupid, the tax code is "unfair" because Buffett is claiming deductions and using tax shelters, VOLUNTARILY.

And again, this idiot lie that Buffett's secretary paid 30% in taxes is so moronic of course you believe it. The effective federal income tax rate for the middle-fifth is just over 2%. That is a fact and you are a dipshit liar.

I love your lunatic "hill of beans comment" in light of the fact you are trumpeting the allegation he gave away $37 billion. So that is a lot, but he couldn't give it to the US treasury right?

No matter, you are too dumb to understand.

217 And what is Canada gonna do about it? Pull their troops out of Iraq? Oh, I forgot, our closest ally told to eat dirt on that one.

You do realize Canada is your largest trading partner right?  And that Canada has lost about a hundred and twenty soldiers and civilians in Afghanistan, five from "friendly" US fire, from an army a thirtieth the size of yours in a war that has not a lot to do with us?  In fact, we just lost another a couple of days ago.

By the way, we didn't have many troops in Iraq, but we had some.  There were about thirty exchange officers in the intitial invasion and others have serbed since.  For example, the current Chief of the Defence Staff, GEN Walter J. Natynczyk was Deputy Director of Strategy, Policy and Plans for III  (US) Corps , and subsequently the Deputy Commanding General of the Multi-National Corps in Iraq.

218 Wow..apparently to LGF'ers these days,someone shaking hands with a supposed racist/fascist/whatever,confirms they are one too!

That and it seems that pro-Koln markets neo-Nazi books and recordings, as well as supporting neo-Nazi positions.

Im sure they are going ballistic  over the video of obama shaking hands with hugo chavez!

As when Johnson called it "absolutely sickening?"

http://tinyurl.com/d6ge7l

219

Quite simply, it's time for John to go to the house.

Thank you for your service to your country, John, but step aside and let a real conservative take your place. Now THAT is doing your duty.

220 What conservatives need to do in the next year, is to become more active in the Republican party and take it back!  People that keep repeating that both parties are the same, and we need to start a new party, are going the route of Ross Perot.  Saying that the Republican party cannot be saved is like saying that the Democrats were always the party of commie loving, American hating, class warfare spouting, no good sons of bitches!  But that is not strictly true, that is more a description of the current imbecilic trolls that fish these waters.  You all realize that that is what a troll is don't you?  They are trolling!  They come here to keep us occupied with off topic issues so we don't accomplish anything worth repeating or spreading. They aren't those goat breeders from under the bridge.(Well, maybe as a hobby.)  They come here and spout off irrelevant screeds to get us to defend points that don't need defended or explained.  We gain nothing by arguing with them. They don't want to change their minds, and we wouldn't respect them if they did.  Case in point, how many on our side bad mouthed Romney for becoming Prolife?  What is the point in trying to change a mind if we ridicule the conversion?  We need to focus on what we can and need to do to educate the sheep to get them back into thinking mode, not waste time engaging with kool-aid drinkers.

221 You do realize Canada is your largest trading partner right?  And that Canada has lost about a hundred and twenty soldiers and civilians in Afghanistan

Posted by: dave aaa at April 25, 2009

Did not know they were our largest but was aware they were very close to the top.

And yeah, I knew Canadian troops were in Afghanistan. It being a NATO thing and all. And I specifically referred to Iraq in my post, and unlike a typical wingnut I am aware of the difference.

So what the fuck is your point?

222

What does trade have to do with anything?  Allies aren't measured by trade are they?  Canada hasn't been there for years.  Its been content to act as a leech, depending on the US to defend it while it attacks the US.  Hell if I had to select between Mexico and Canada I'd take Mexico anyday.  Mexico doesn't take commies, deserters, and jihaddies like Canada. 

 

And if you take enough you turn into a nation like Canada.   Fuck Salvador sent more troops to Iraq than Canada, Lativa, Georgia, and Lithuania  send more troops to Afghanistan than Canada.  And their troops fight, they aren't trainers or rear area pogues like a certain nation's troops.  There are some real troops from Canada but they are few and outnumbered by our real allies.

Canada as an ally is only exceeded by our long time ally France.

223 Posted by: honest cloud at April 25, 2009 08:51 PM (hOPQH)

So as to ensure the comment thread stays as updated as possible...

let me repeat my earlier comment by telling to you fuck off you fucking cockholster troll.

I shall sleep well tonight now...

224 Did not know they were our largest but was aware they were very close to the top.

And yeah, I knew Canadian troops were in Afghanistan. It being a NATO thing and all. And I specifically referred to Iraq in my post, and unlike a typical wingnut I am aware of the difference.

So what the fuck is your point?

My point was the obvious one that it Canada does make a difference to the United States and insulting us from ignorance is wrong.  Of course, unlike Napolitano and McCain, you've just proven that you do so from malice.

225 honest cloud at April 25, 2009 08:51 PM (hOPQH)

Ahhh.
I see Dicknose McCloud has returned.

226 Posted by: Vladmir Putin at April 25, 2009 10:21 PM (0Qynq)

What an interesting work of trollery.  It's actually quite well done.  I admit to being tempted to try to make a substantive reply, then I realized it was just a bit of buffoonery that no one here at Ace's would find at all convincing.

227
Cool Dave.
I'm glad I'm not the only moron that wants to refrain from feeding moronic trollery.  And by the way, thanks for Canada's support. 

228 Thank you NotJamesTaggart - and you are quite welcome too!

229 "Well, now we know where Meghan McCain gets all of super-awesome smarts from."

This is a totally unfair statement, Drew. Meghan isn't 'super-awesome smart'. She's 'super-DUPER-awesome smart'! Like, totally. OMG.

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