1 What Rove said.

2 I feel like last night was just wasted.

3 Meh.

But I've never been a McCain guy.

I'll give it a gentleman's C.

4 countdown to 2012? Lost this one already? I give us a better than 50% to win this thing.

I thought the speech was boring. I'm tired of the POW thing; it's become a prop. The rest of the speech was okay, but when he got to the POW thing, I was like, Ugh!

5 I predict the vice presidential debate will blow the roof off the ratings.

6 Yah Jason. That's what happens when she spends the second date with another man.

7 get this party started.

That's the one song they didn't play.  (And "September" is by Earth, Wind & Fire, and the orchestral music is from the movie Rudy, and the biographical videos STILL sounds like the theme from "Dallas.")

8 Actually, the POW thing was great.

9 We all got to see Palin!

10 Still trying to figure out what the deal was with Romney's speech. We know he can do it up right (CPAC), so how did he manage to blow this one?

11 I don't know why they never have patriotic music at the conventions.

12 I predict the VP debates will be a re-enactment of "Amok Time", except with more boobs on stage...Three boobs to be exact (minus the MSM host)

13 My wife and daughter watched both conventions.  They both told me that of the two, the Republican audience seemed to be generally more energized and enthusiastic. FWIW.

14      The speech was the best we could expect--I've actually watched a few other McCain speeches and I cringed through most of them. This one at least didn't hurt us, though he's no Sarah Palin.
     McCain do much better at the debates, where Obama will have to speak for himself without a teleprompter, something he can barely manage.

15

drew your kind.  I am glad I started drinking early, so I didn't have enough energy to throw something at the tube.

c-, d+

Please God, tell me how he is going to beat the "O" in a debate?

16 Massive reach for the middle.  Given the circumstances, not stupid, but he gives far better speeches on the behalf of others than for himself. 

Only at the very end did you see the fire. 24 hour rule.  Let's let this develop and see how it plays to Andrew Sullivan.

17 What's the over/under on the MSM declining to broadcast the vice presidential debate?

18 I caught the second half of the Romney speech on radio, and I didn't think it was that bad. Part of it may be that the speeches can't be seen to compete w/ each other.

19 I thought it was fine to hear McCain tell the POW story himself to a national audience.  The speech was ok, it stayed classy without too much going after Obama, and it got a little too policy-heavy at times, but at least the ending was strong.

20 Here in the city, outside of the convention, police slowly moved and strategically guided rioters away from the convention center with tear gas..... Pretty soon they were all on a bridge.  Police closed off both sides of the bridge and announced all 250 of them were under arrest.

Nice.

21 It was a great speech for McCain.  He wasn't trying to impress us tonight -- he gave us Palin last night for that -- but he was trying to win back a lot of those disaffected out there. It was actually a good speech strategically -- the news whores will have to quote some of it almost verbatim because they can't help themselves. 

Chris and Keith are relieved -- now they can get Sarah off their minds for 24 hours and whine about McCain.

But they only have 24 hours.  Then doom begins to fall.

22 best convention ive seen, i cant wait for the debates!

23

I thought the tail end of the speech was quite rousing and will play better with the general public than you think. Bounce: once three days of sampling are done, McCain 47, Obama 43.

24 As my Catholic friend used to say, "Oh my cunt!"

That was an awesome convention.

25 My wife said the Republican convention seemed much more authentic.

26

4 countdown to 2012? Lost this one already? I give us a better than 50% to win this thing.

Uh, no. In 2012, McCain really will be too old for this shit.

Palin/Romney 2012!

27 2012? Christ, Ace. Even if Obama wins, I'm gonna take three and a half years off from political campaigning. I need a respite from elections.

28 And he only said "my friends" 4 times.  (You were playing the same drinking game.  Don't lie.)

29

the Republican audience seemed to be generally more energized and enthusiastic ^until the nominee came out.

FIFY.

30 Please God, tell me how he is going to beat the "O" in a debate?

Beat him to death with facts.

The One can't handle rebuttal.

31 Please God, tell me how he is going to beat the "O" in a debate?

Heh. Remember Saddleback?

32 And in case anyone's wondering, there's 1524 days until Election Day, 2012.

33 My wife is fairly apolitical and watched along with me.  She was sort of familiar with McCain's story, and she was very very impressed (not so much the delivery though that got good towards the end) by what he's done and the level of conviction he had.  Remember, most folks don't hang out at political blogs and can recite McCain's bio like many here.

If independents/women were his targets he may have accomplished a fair bit n this speech.

34 What happens if McCain drops out before the election, does Palin get top ticket?

35

Weird thing at the DBS house. Last night, my wife of 20 years said "He was a POW?"

 

My jaw dropped.

 

 

Then I asked for sex, because that's what men do.

36 Obama shill Howard Wolfson: It's all about Bush.  These fuckers need a new tag line.

37

Stop your whinging.  It is to late.

He did better than expected.

38 Very workmanlike, which built to a strong close based on the sheer gravitas of McCain's life story.  The guy is just solid, and you can trust him to run the country.  Plus who would you rather look at for another four years, Biden or Palin?

39 Tonight was a bit of a letdown, but the last week has been a hell of a lot of fun.

40 I'm pretty sure that McCain will win.  Obama overpolls like crazy, and a lot of the  unions are tepid for him at best.  It might be close as far votes cast, but McCain is going to have a pretty big win with the electral college.

Just my .02

K

41 McCain = Yoda
Obama = Jar Jar Binks

42 Howard Wolfson is a the biggest tool in the tool shed.

43 I'm feeling pretty good about things as far as 2008 goes. We're about where GWB was in the polls at his time. And I'm thinking tomorrow's polls will show a decent (2-3%) lead for McPalin. If they can ride that out AND do some VanDamage in the debates (and I trhinkthey will) we have a good chance. The problem pops up when McCain isn't popular and if he doesn't let Sarah getenugh facetime. Then 2012 is the rise of the one and his rightful reign over the people. So start praying.

44 Palin/Romney Jindal 2012!

FIFY

45 Gundo:

You're wrong.

Palin/Jindal!!!

46 McCain gets a solid 'C'. Wake me when the debates start. Feed Sarah a raw steak before she goes toe-to-toe with Slo Mo Biden and we have a show. . Nice.

47 Obama is terrible once he's off script. I'm not worried at all about the debates.

Besides, everyone knows the the plan is already there to steal the election anyway, just like we always do.  Relax!

48 Please God, tell me how he is going to beat the "O" in a debate?

What are you some kinda retard?

49 Please God, tell me how he is going to beat the "O" in a debate?

kempermanx,

I'm not God (or Obama) but the debates are much more in McCain's wheel house. He can think on his feet, he's comfortable talking off the cuff and when Obama gets in his face, he'll smack him silly.

And Obama is a bumbling fool. So McCain's got that going for him.

50 Contrast McCain's speech (service, love of country, helping others) with Obama's (I, I, me, I, me, I, I, me, me, I).

51 Thank God we didn't hear the words "comprehensive" or "immigration".

52

Maybe I am over served, but I thought it was FLAT.

The POW story was good, the end was good, but it had no central theme.  Too much, too much.  I want to tell you about everything.  The Dems are happy, and rightfully so.

Gezz, WTF is God doing here?

53 The difference between a man who loves his county and the Democratic nominee who demands that his country love him won't be lost on the south and the mid west and the rust belt.    Not great, but pretty effective.  I'd give it a low B.  The other grood thing he did was not bother with Obama other than to give him a couple of compliments at the beginning.  People will notice, instinctively if nothing else, that Obama has given up trying to match up to McCain and is instead desperate to try to match Palin.

54 I think he gave his moving account of his POW experience to give us a sense of what voting for him is going to be like. 

We could choose the cowards path (sit on our hands), but instead we will voluntarily choose years of torture (McCain's Maverick policies), until our final deliverance (Palin!).

55 McCain is against torture? That speech was a verbal waterboarding.

56

If Olby liked it, it's an F. If he rags on it it's a B-.

All in all, not bad for a McCain teleprompter speech.

And TehSarah was smokin ho... looked very Vice Presidential.

57 << ...but he was trying to win back a lot of those disaffected out there. >>

Those would be the disaffected Hillary! voters, right?

58 I'm tired of the POW thing; it's become a prop. The rest of the speech was okay, but when he got to the POW thing, I was like, Ugh!

You're tired of it? The man spent 5 1/2 years in a POW camp in 3rd world country, and you're tired of hearing about it.

I don't want to bust your balls or anything, but if you'd just look again at what you wrote, I think you'd understand how shallow it is. If any person who endured what John McCain did while in the service to his/her country, the least we can do is listen to their stories, no matter how many times they want to tell it. I kinda says that 'we care' and 'thank you' rather than 'aww jeeez, not this shit again.'

59 As an aside - As annoying as the Code Pink people were, I thought they unquestionably helped out.

They turned attention away from a crappy start, gave him a one-liner, and reminded everybody what classless  f--ks the opposition is made of.

60 Gezz, WTF is God doing here?

Making a list.

61 The difference between a man who loves his county and the Democratic nominee who demands that his country love him...

Beautiful way to contrast the two candidates.

62 What's the over/under on the MSM declining to broadcast the vice presidential debate?

The audience will be HUGE! They won't forgo the commercial revenue.

63 Bart, you are absolutely right, but this is politics...

64 TBRSteve @#56: And TehSarah was smokin ho...

What??

65 Palin/Fred! 2012

66 Megyn Kelly is on Fox right now.  Hoo-rah.

67 I thought he did a good job.  He had to establish credibility about his commitment to bread and butter issues, like education and gas prices, and he did it.  He also did a good job of distancing himself from Bush and the D.C. establishment, which is the entire subliminal message behind picking Palin.  He said it in plain English -- Republicans lost the trust of Americans by abandoning their principles.

The POW segment was OK.  He has conspicuously avoided pimping this aspect of his resume so far, but the handlers convinced him he had to talk openly and convincingly about this aspect of his life.  There is nothing else that so sharply distinguishes him from The One, and makes the case that he is committed to the country rather than himself.  At the end of the day, if he is going to win, it won't be based on issues.

It will happen because people believe he is for real, and Barack is a poser.

68 Forgot to add a giant ESAD to Keef Olberman and his histrionic hissy fit re: the 9/11 video. The stones on this guy. I want to vomit with rage. .

69 CNN's Jeff Toolbin hated it.  What a shocker.

70 @lmg: What revenue? Aren't those usually commercial-free?

71 Megyn gets a very pretty scowl on her face when she describes the Code Pink bitches.

72 I have absolutely nothing to say about most of that speech.  The policy stuff was okay, nothing to mould-breaking but that's what these speeches are. 95% of it was solid, workmanlike, McCain oozes gravitas and seriousness, but that's really all I can say.  There is a there there, it's just not very exciting.

Liked the end though.  Powerful and moving.  I got a lump in my throat.  It probably would have been better if he steamed on through to the end, tapping the breaks didn't do much for it.

73 Does Megyn Kelly get hotter every time she shows up on television?

74 Obama shill Howard Wolfson

What, is this a joke?  Wolfson is a well-known hardcore Clintonite, more or less LOATHES Obama (every time he talks about Obama's weaknesses in the election he gets a shit-eating grin), and has actually been reasonably gracious as an obviously Democratic analyst.  If you'll recall, he's the one who Keith Olbermann called "Tokyo Rose" for appearing on Fox News.

Sure he's repeating Dem talking points.  He's a Dem.  But I'd bet good money that privately he's hoping for an Obama loss.

75 BTW the USA chant was bad he would have been better served if they just would have kept quiet

76 Started weak, finished strong, and about the best we can hope for from McCain. 

However, let's not forget, McCain will rock in the debates and in that single townhall, and that will be the final and most important image left in the heads of those who are casually engaged.

Teleprompters are McCain's weakness.  Extemporaneous speaking is the Messiah's.

77 More womyn watched Sarah than watched any of the donk's convention last week.

78 I realize that in Spanish, "con" means with, but I wish the person behind Wolf Blitzer would put down the sign that says "Puerto Rico con McCain".

79 Was that Obly break away from Tood and Matthews, then his retarded lecture a SNL skit?

80

God,

thanks for the encouragement.  You are right, the "O" isn't that good off the teleprompter, but if McCain kicks his ass, you know it will be racist.

Going now to tequila, it will seal the deal and I will sleep, knowing God is REALLY in charge and those cocksuckers are going to wake up with the Cudda on their asses.

 

81 So could it be a girl-on-girl Palin vs. Hillary in '12?  That'd be interesting.

82

First of all, I caught the 1st three nights on webstream and AOS live blog while at work- some of the liveblog stuff made me laugh to the point of tears, especially 'rudy is tying the carcass to his chariot and dragging it around the arena'. Hell- I'm laughing right now, typing it.

Best speeches: Rudy #1, Sarah very close #2. The rest were a bit meh.

Sarah Palin was the whole convention. Because of the press and blogger feeding frenzy, the near blackout on her from Friday announcement until last night only adding to the anticipation, and then her appearance last night where she clearly silenced a lot of the noise surrounding her.

I admit that since Friday I am crushing on Sarah a little, and that's probably silly; but it is not unreasonable to think she could be President some day. I have always felt that the 1st woman President would be a Republican- and now that we have Sarah Palin, I believe it will happen, and I will get to see it.

As far as what may happen in November, I hope McCain wins but I fear we may be in for a repeat of 1976. A few of the details of the analogy may be a little off, but I see it this way: Iraq as Vietnam, Bush as Nixon, Obama as Carter, and McCain as Ford. Of course, Carter did his level best to drive America into the ground, which paved the way for Reagan and 12 years of a GOP White House.

Our country has survived bad Presidents in the past, and I fear we may be in for another such experience again. Unless I'm wrong.

 

83

Maybe this CNN screen cap explains McCain's speech:

http://tinyurl.com/68e44q

 

84 Jeff B.  I stand corrected about Wolfson.  I still despise him.

85

McCain wasn't speaking to Repubs tonight...I'm sure a few Repub officials were nonplussed at a few places, but don't they deserve a little shit for ruining the brand? And McCain credit for stopping the bleeding?

I think McCain will clean up the floor with the Tin Jesus in the debates.

 

 

86

It was as good as you can expect from McCain.  He's not a natural speechifier and he's a squish on some of our hot button issues.  Which probably helps him with the squishy folks in the middle.

I wonder how many people have heard his story before.  You hear he was a POW, but what he actually endured is the stuff of legend.

He landed some nasty, subtle jabs too.  Until Sarah he was the lesser of two evils, after that pick I sent the guy money.

On a related note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psJN2B-eEv4

This commercial has been on the air in Dallas for some time, funny.

87 BTW the USA chant was bad he would have been better served if they just would have kept quiet

It was mostly to drown out the anti-war cretins who interrupted with their shouts and signs.

88 A Moonbat acquaintance just made this "status update" on Facebook:  "[X] is so creeped out by Cindy McCain.  Ewwwwwww!"

How the fuck do you get creeped out by Cindy McCain?  What is wrong with these people? 

89 A "USA" chant is never bad.

90 I dunno what you guys were expecting for McCain's speech when everyone knows he's a mediocre orator, but: I applauded the lines about school (especially about "helping" bad teachers find another line of work, that was great). He softened me up with the story about him breaking under torture and being comforted by the next POW, then he actually choked me up with his closer about how he needed America.

Last night, cum bubbled up from Charlton Heston's grave.

Tonight, it bubbles up from (former FDR Democrat) Ronald Reagan's.

If Mac stays on track, we are gonna win.

91
McCain = Luke Skywalker

Obama = Death Star

Palin = proton torpedo

92 They'll just keep Sarah kick-punching poor O! until he's goes nuts trying to keep up. They've already got him on the defensive. The next two months should be a lot of fun in that respect. They can pretty much ignore Slow Joe which is kind of cool, too.

93 McCain finished really strong in the last 15 minutes or so, but I thought most of his speech was somewhere between "pretty good" and "meh". On the other hand it's probably a good thing that he didn't try to make a big splash like Obama and Palin. His attempts at levity early on in the speech made him look more silly than down-to-earth. I'm thinking he should leave that sort of stuff to Palin from now on and stick to being the straight man of the campaign. McCain brings more gravitas to the table than all the other presidential nominees of this decade (Bush, Gore, Kerry and Obama) put together, and that's his greatest strength as a candidate.

94 There's some jackass preening behind a commentator on FOX right now.  He's mugging for the camera while he makes cell phone calls (presumably of the "quick turn on FOX News -- it's MEEEEEE!" variety).

The guy looks like a douche.  Republicans shouldn't act like that.

95 and they broke me. that statement really stood out to me. Much better than I expected, but I had low expectations. this is not McCain's platform and he will rock in the debates.

96 What is wrong with these people?

Who knows.  I've gotten to the point where I just ignore my lefty acquaintances when anything political comes up.

97

Lots of luck (?) for republicans this week.  MSM super-attack on Palin happened in part because of the dead time on Monday due to storm.  Then with that build up she wow's America (and saves the campaign), then tonight the protesters burst in just in time to help McCain's dull speech (and gives a good simple story for people to repeat at work about his wisecracks) and piper palin is super cute, and....,

Rove, you Magnificant Bastard!

98 Anyone know what happened on BO's show with barry.

99 Check out the reaction from the "deputy national political editor" of the Boston Glob-o-Shit. Well, at least they're getting their bias right out in front.

100 When is the first Vice Presidential debate? Sooner the better.

101

My fears have come true.  Maybe I just didn't get it, but it seemed to me that with Sarah solidifying the base McCain feels comfortable hinting that he hasn't given up unpopular positions- like illegal immigration.  Did he really need to bring up "the daughter of an illegal immigrant" as an example?

Palin holds the base, because there isn't a conservative alternative. Freeing McCain to uh, reach across the aisle.  He can pander to the latinos with an amnesty promise, but they are going to vote for Obama anyway.

And I heard something about increased government jobs training, and boosting unemployment benefits to even pay during a lower-paying job.  What the hell was that, Bidding For Votes?  What happened to the idea of shrinking government to help grow the economy and create more jobs?

Better would have been for McCain to say, "Yeah, what she said.  And I accept the nomination."

It's not nice to say it, but a conservative's best hope is that McCain wins and Palin eventually gets to take over.  Then again, maybe McCain will be a pleasant surprise.  There's always hope.

102 McCain drove that sucker home like Ron Jeremy after a day off!

103
He did just fine. Bad cop last night, good cop tonight. Sarah's gonna be the hammer to his anvil. It's a good strategy.

And the final part was terrific.

104 Jones: A few of the details of the analogy may be a little off, but I see it this way: Iraq as Vietnam, Bush as Nixon, Obama as Carter, and McCain as Ford.

Yes, but Nixon was still popular for saving South Vietnam and getting our troops home. Thank god that W has no Watergate, or Obama (or any Democratic pony, say) would be a shoe-in. Ford pardoned Nixon, yet he nearly won.

105 "Besides, everyone knows the the plan is already there to steal the election anyway" Thank God for Diebold. I'm gonna clean up on intrade. I can't believe that some folks with money don't know that the fix is in. Idiots. The only question is the over/under for McCain's Electoral count. I think it's 278 right now for those in the know (like the Skull and Bones folks), and I'm going "under," but hedging heavily.

106

mccain: meh

cindy: hydrocodone

 

107 Don't discount the simple fact that McCain is very proud he is an American and Obama isn't.  That's the sort of thing people don't miss and won't forget.  Even if they don't talk about it.  McCain is going to win.

108

Rove is inciting people to heckle Gregory!

109 I won't be a mindless cheerleader: it was a workmanlike speech for the most part.  The first half was pretty damn unmemorable.  The second half, however, reads quite beautifully from the page.  It's delivery where it encountered problems.  People say that John McCain's problems are with the teleprompter but I think that's incorrect: his problem is with the overly raucous (and at times frustrating) modern audiences he faces, who cheer every five seconds. 

As for all the USA chants, they were stupid and counterproductive.  I know they thought they were trying "drown out" the protestors, but it had the exact opposite effect.  Nobody could HEAR those people anyway.  If McCain had simply continued over them - without interruption from the well-meaning but harmful audience - the entire speech would have come off much better.  It's much more eloquent anyway for him to talk over the moonbats - and respond if necessary - than for the endless momentum-killing chants.  I wish crowds understood how counterproductive they were in these situations.

Finally, the last part of the speech was excellent.  At the Corner, K-Lo - by far the dullest knife in any given drawer, and I've spoken with her in person at excruciating length so I sadly know this all too well - was asking, "why did McCain keep talking through the applause at the end of his speech?  Jesus fucking christ, Kathryn, do you know the first thing about effective public rhetoric?  You saw how halting the speech was when he kept on having to pause - you think that ending would have been improved if he had kept waiting for the crowd to shut up?  No, it was clearly written, in fact, FOR the crowd to cheer as he wrapped up, to bear him up on the crowd's enthusiasm as he shouted the ending.  And fuck yeah, for once it worked.

110 Boy, what a difference a night makes.

I know this isn't McCain's venue but I don't think the reaction to Palin was just style but substance.

I wish I was as psyched about the top of the ticket as I am about the bottom. Maybe next time.

111

The now familiar POW story was significantly different this time. Yes, he walked us through the facts and timeline like many videos and surrogates have before. And the preceding sections were entirely forgettable.

But hearing a man talk of how he was once a cocky little shit...and then admitting his humiliation of getting utterly broken? And his subsequent transformation? That's the first time I'd heard that part. It was a powerful drama that will resonate deeply.

112 I'll tell you how McC's gonna beat the "O".
McCain, who is a straight shooter, will address a given question directly.
Obama, will either read from prepared text, and sound stilted, or try to speak ad-lib, and UM-Uh-Fumpfker as he is wont to do.
If a question comes along which he doesn't have a cheat card to read from, he'll sound like a blithering idiot.
Check this video for an idea.
This is his Q&A session during his grand European Tour.
Fourty minutes of speaking, and over 7 minutes of unitelligible utterances, stutters, and pauses.  That's nearly 20% of his time taken by his inability to reconcile what he's trying to say vs. his calculated intention to stick to his message.
Linky:
rtsp://video1.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_072208_obama2.rm

113

McCain did more than fine.  His main task is to give independents and Hillary Democrats an excuse to not vote for Obama.

 

I think he won the election tonight with the question asking why we should send money overseas to people who hate us.

 

He seems very, very confident, without being cocky.  They have run a good campaign thus far, and the grapevine says they have a lot up their sleeve to use if necessary.

 

In the debates, standing next to this man, Obama will come across like an arrogant punk.

114 I don't know why everyone is bagging on McCain's speech.  Yeah, it went a little long, and it got a little wonky, but coming from somebody who, just six short months ago, vowed that I'd never vote for Grumpy John, I was quite impressed. 

He sounded believable.  He sounded like a man of conviction.  He didn't use lofty platitudes and generalities, the stock in trade of career politicians and televangelists.  Contrast that with his opponents' speeches--if they're not telling us how bad life in America is and only they can improve it, then it's all drum-circle hippie talk.  There seemed to be a little meat on the bones with McCain's speech, and it exceeded my expectations.

As far as the crowd chanting U-S-A, U-S-A over and over again, I think a few instances of it were to shout down and cover up the interruptions of the code pink infiltrators.

Also, I tuned in just after Cyndi McCain got going, once it was obvious that the Redskins weren't winning the game.  Nobody seems to be mentioning it, but damn, well done, Johnnie.  Marrying a smokin' hot millionaire chick who owns a huge beer distributorship?  If only I could do half as well.  The man *is* a hero!

115 Excitable Andy:

"Drilling for oil gets the biggest applause. This is why I can't feel at home in this party."

Hmm... the domestic drilling issue: THAT'S the reason that you can't feel at home in the GOP? It has nothing to do with your desire to milk loads with your power glutes? Ooooo-kaaaaaay.

116 You guys aren't getting it.  McCain is not an electrifying speaker, he knows it, and he can't compete with The One on that basis.

He job tonight was to communicate to the American people that the election is not about me.  It's about us and our future.

That's where he kills The One, and he nailed it.

117 Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 04, 2008 11:59 PM Soon to be a new Andrew post, troubled by this new, never before revealed story that must be verified or not trusted.

118 Wait... Obama said Republicans 'are out of touch and don't get it'?

Well, it was a fun ride while it lasted.  Pack it in, folks.  There's no way we can defeat a super-genius candidate that comes up with such stunningly original lines like that.

Oh, by the way, Sen. Obama... 1992 called.  It wants its cliche back.

119

#35:  Then I asked for sex, because that's what men do.

 

THREAD WINNER

Best Regards

120

Another thing McCain/Palin stole from Obama is what I call the "empty glass" phenomenon.  A lot of Obama's early support was from people who knew nothing about him, but just projected whatever policies and issues were important to them onto the Anointed One.

Tonight women and the conservatives can project onto the GOP ticket thanks to Sarahcuda, but the pissed off Hillary supporters and independents can do the same to McCain.  Something for everyone, they can all say "this is who I support.'

 

Also - Rush on FOX

121 "It has nothing to do with your desire to milk loads with your power glutes?" We're a big tent. There's plenty of room in the GOP for milk, loads, power and glutes. There's just not much room for stark, raving, lunacy. (Ask Pat Buchanan and the Paulbots.)

122 Jindal hasn't done anything yet but win one election and stick to one campaign promise. Maybe by 2012 he'll have managed to wow me. But I strongly suspect LA is a more long-term project than that.

123

I keep forgetting that there are people out there that don't know much about political subjects and that were probably tuning in for the first time to hear about McCain.

The antics of the frakkin' filthy seditious hippies had to have done more for McCain than for their own sullen, hate-filled causes. It was shocking, and hurtful, and disrespectful and downright wrong - and millions of normal Americans were sitting there and pointing at their screens and saying to their spouses, "Those fucks should be deported to goddamned Cuba, if ya ask me."

And they'll properly associate those treasonous shitheels with Obama's campaign - and by November Obama's going to look like a bowl of shit stew with a sprinkling of stupid on top - and lose.

124 SARAH PALIN PULLED MORE VIEWERS THAN BARACK OBAMA!

And she's the VP candidate. Holy cow.

125 CHURCHILL / THATCHER 2008

126 I'm noticing that a lot of Moonbats are very eager for the debates now, and I can't help thinking of Ace's post yesterday about how they are always convinced of their greater intelligence and goodness.  They have no clue.

How did Slo Joe Biden get a reputation for being a masterful debater?  How does being a blowhard translate into being a good debater?

127

Thank God for Diebold. I'm gonna clean up on intrade. I can't believe that some folks with money don't know that the fix is in. Idiots.

I heard from one of my friends who 'connected' that Diebold and the RNC originally set McCain's winning margin at 2%, but after Palin's speech they're going to bump it up to 4% and throw in some congressional races.

128 Maetenloch: Thanks for the tip, but next time, use the encrypted channel, ok?

129 #126

When the public sees Palin next to that preening, arrogant pile of smarm... they'll know who's really one of them and who isn't.

I'm confident she'll hold her own when it comes to the facts.  Personality will do the rest.

130

OK still sober enough to read drudge.

CBS, yeah they' re our side, says the race is TIED

42-42

Hey, big "O" what you going to do now , bitch?

This without Sara numbers.

We are going to kick ass in the next few days.

I love the smell of napalm, it smells like VICTORY!

 

131

Thanks for the tip, but next time, use the encrypted channel, ok?

Doh!

Sorry about that, and don't forget: 88hw0e9h!8d28gh60&Thjy7u$%fd55ngd

132 Newt on FOX just now said that he's been to 7 conventions, and this one has been the happiest he's seen.

133

McCain and his surrogates have to keep telling the POW story, because a shockingly large number of voters probably still don't know about it.

In '96, exit polls showed that a huge percentage of the electorate did not know that Bob Dole even served in WWII, let alone that he was critically injured. This was on the day of the election.

The narrative (sorry, Peggy Noonan) has to be repeated over and over and over so it will be hammered into people's heads.

134 I just hope South Park devotes an entire episode to the YEAH! guy. He's like our own Team America-style Matt Damon.

135 I was wrong about those numbers! My bad.

All they did is take the PREVIOUS numbers and add 3.9 million for Palin due to PBS and add 4 million to Obama for the same reason.

136

I hope Hillary! gives high praise to The Chosen One.  The counter-ads will write themselves by merely quoting previous speaches she made when running against the Obamassiah.

Note to David Axelrod:  Remind The Chosen One that crying is unseemly.

 

137 "But hearing a man talk of how he was once a cocky little shit...and then admitting his humiliation of getting utterly broken? And his subsequent transformation? That's the first time I'd heard that part. It was a powerful drama that will resonate deeply."

Exactly, exactly right.

Buh bye, b.hussein. Night shift manager at the Joliet Denny's for you, loser.

138 I loved the speech.  All of it. I loved his quip about the protesters, and I loved the line about introducing Sarah to Washington.

McCain passes himself off as a servant-leader, and I think that will resonate.  And he advocated personal responsibility. Yes, the true fire was at the end, and my favorite part.  But I enjoyed him telling his own tale about being a POW... admitting the transformation. Yes, I choked up.

139 The Dems are happy, and rightfully so.

Pffft. The Dems (I'm assuming you mean on the blogs) are pretending to be happy about Sarah Palin's speech, and that she didn't win anyone over except wingnuts.  Heh.

Qwinn

140

Well when it's all said and done what really matters whether McCain can hold serve.  If he wins the states Bush won, he wins.

National polls are fun, but the states are what matters.

Where Palin's going to kill Obama is in rust belt states like OH, PA, MN, etc.  Her blue collar street cred will force Obama to spend a lot of money defending states the Dems have won handily of late or hoped to flip with Hopey Changiness.

Populism sells if the public trusts the messenger.

141 I can't wait to see Sarahcuda eviscerate the Sage of Scranton.

142

the end was great -- got a bit of a lump in my throat, and my teenager had a bit of a teary eye from the line "they broke me" on

 

my kid's not old or interested enough to know McCain's story; I'm an independent

we heard a man who loves his country and its people, who doesn't want her ruined or worse destroyed by the other guy (and he will do his best to destroy her because he hates it and hates its people -- you all best remember that; this is an election with much at stake) and McCain is asking us all to,begging with us to "fight"

that's what this moderate independent took away from it

no, not as good a speech as Palin, nor as pretty as the other guy -- but nonetheless a good speech (and time to set aside the partisanship stuff -- the O has to be stopped in his tracks, so do his cronies; united we stand, don't you dare divide)

143

"Last night, cum bubbled up from Charlton Heston's grave."

 

Fucked up crazy, distrubingly funny shit there.

144

Anybody remember what Cheney did to Lieberman and Edwards? Lieberman was so badly thumped he just follows McCain around like a sad little boy.  Edwards went and started getting his freak on with a chic who looks like Nick Nolte.

George W. Bush even beat Gore for Pete's sake. Kerry? He's a saner Joe Biden.  Sarah is gonna shit in Biden's boot and make eat it.  And Biden will like it, but that's just how Joe rolls.

McCain (umm, dare I say, "gravitias", yeah, I'm looking at you, Eleanor Clift) versus the stuttering kid from Bernie Mac's closing bit on Kings of Comedy?  I think McCain has a pretty good shot.

Ace is right (meh), and we've been here with the Democrats before.  They are smart, they are good looking, and gosh darn it, people like them....until they have to step into the ring.

145 make eat it = make him eat it.  He'll probably want seconds.

146

#140,

Your right, I can not see a life time member of the NRA , who is smoking hot, losing in MI, PA, OH, MN, WI.  Not going to happen.  MI and PA I guarantee.  We already have OH.

It's over!

147 What's the hardest part about being a community organizer? Having to tell your parents you're a communist.

148 Oh what a surprise...the image in the documentary video link clearly shows a pregnant Palin

149

I like him.  His pick of Sarah really won me over and his speech tonight sealed it.  I loved the end, it was perfect!  Overall, it was a good speech and we've seen much, much worse from him; cringeworthy stuff. 

The difference between the two parties could not be more clear.  One says your helpless and hopeless, the other says the sky is the limit for every one of us..

Palin/Jindal '12!!!!

150

For probably the first time in my life, I agree with Jimmy Carter.

I hated this speech - my mind kept drifting and it wasn't because of the Mendecino stuff.  Sure, he's a war hero but that's not qualification for president although it's a peg above Obama.  Has McCain EVER drawn a paycheck that wasn't from the taxpayer?  I don't think so.  So he wants to be president - JUST for US?  Sure.

He promises all sorts of things he hasn't a clue on how to deliver on.  Education?  Isn't that a local school board matter?  Why should the President diddle in that?

He reaches across the aisle to work with Democrats for things that should never get done. 

So he's a fighter.  Well make yourself useful and fight that damn Democrats more.

Just about the worst speech of the last two weeks (Ridge's was a REAL snoozer so McCain was just off the bottom.)

I'll hold my nose and vote mccain/PALIN this year but my political energies and contributions go to California politics instead.

151 Obama's hackles were clearly raised by Palin's dismissal of his community organizing

Oh, what a whiny little pussy-assed dipshit.  Does this numbnuts realize that the next logical question then becomes, ok, so what exactly DID you accomplish as a community organizer?

I uh ahh errr uhhhh hope and change and errrr ahh organized and uhh uplifted and was on the streets.

152
McCain did more than fine.

Yes, you're right. On second thought, he did great. He delivered the goods and then some. We Morons aren't his audience: the swings are. The people who haven't decided. He needed to connect with the swings and I'm betting he did. And I did get choked up when he talked about his POW experience. I got choked up again during his closing. It was a fifteenth-round knockout.

153 MI and PA I guarantee.  We already have OH.

Kemper, are you high?  I think we've got a fighting chance too, but no Republican has won either Michigan OR Pennsylvania for 16 years.  We MIGHT have a shot at Michigan, but there's no way we're getting PA.  It will not happen, the gap is too insurmountable right now. 

Ohio is very winnable, however.

154
So when Palin becomes president, will she be doing some cowgirl diplomacy?  Cause I have to tell you that's just fuckin' HOT!

K

155 Oh look...Heart is now sending a C & D letter to the McCain camp for using "Barracuda". Guess they don't want more people to buy their song on iTunes cause it'll be "tainted".

I still love Heart. I just think their politics suck.

156 So all the fucked up news stories amounted to driving up Palin's viewership?
That's how I see it. Sorta like.....
Patton: [Patton is apologizing to the troops after the slapping incident]
I thought I would stand here like this so you could see if
I was really as big a son of a bitch as you think I am.

157

Warden

When did you become Os speechwriter?

158
Warden, I've had the same thought: just what is it, exactly, that Obama did accomplish as a community organizer? I don't know, and I'm a resident of Cook County. Heck, I never heard of the guy until the Senate race. Around here self-styled community organizers are thick as fleas and equally irritating. I wish someone from the McCain campaign would look into this.

159 Greta Van Susteren Cistern is freakin' unwatchable.
Just sayin'.

160 He keeps stressing that he's been a community organizer. People living outside of cities think these people are worthless. People living inside cities where they operate think they're patronizing and corrupt. (I live in the suburbs, and would vote for "all of the above".)

He keeps stressing that he's a lawyer. Non-lawyers place this as being somewhat less valuable to society than used-car salesmen but slightly better than inmates of a facility for the criminally insane.

He keeps trying to say that his relentless pursuit of ever-higher office is somehow noble. People outside the bubble wonder whether this is some freaky sort of scavenger hunt to collect one of every office.

I'm beginning to wonder whether we'd be better off contributing to the Obama campaign, to help him "get the message out."

161 "Ohio is very winnable, however." God, I hope so, because, without it, well, 270 would be mighty tough to find.... But, on the other hand, Ohio's a Diebold state; so we got it wrapped up -- one way or another (shh.... Keep that info on the Q.T.)

162

My own reaction to the speech is all I can speak to, but I'm beginning to grudgingly like McCain. I don't agree with him, or completely trust him, but he seems human. His speech was touching, though a bit long.

163 what is it, exactly, that Obama did accomplish as a community organizer?

Today he said he got people jobs after a steel plant closed down.
Probably jobs as ACORN operatives for slave wages
Ought to be super simple to investigate.

164 But hearing a man talk of how he was once a cocky little shit...and then admitting his humiliation of getting utterly broken? And his subsequent transformation?

Too bad he was transformed into an even more cocky little shit, but maybe the voters will buy it.

165 Sorry, I was reacting to:

Oh, and this moron's still fighting with McCain's Junior Officer:

Sen. Barack Obama ditched his normal languid cool today, punching back at Gov. Sarah Palin as he spoke with reporters in York, Pa, hotly defending his work as a community organizer. He said he assumes Palin "wants to be treated same way guys want to be treated, which means their records are under scrutinty. I've been through this for 19 months. She's been through it, what four days?"

Obama's hackles were clearly raised by Palin's dismissal of his community organizing --a response to his earlier dismissal of her record as a small-town mayor. "Why would that kind of work be ridiculed?" Obama said. "Who are they fighting for?" The idea that community organizing is not relevant to the presidency, he said, just shows why Republicans "are out of touch and don't get it."

The Obama campaign was clearly on the defensive today, acknowledging how appealing Palin came across, and sending out surrogates hitting their talking points that Republicans have spent their time on attacks rather than substance.

166 God knows: I never disagree with Bart, well hardly ever.### But I know McCain's POW story, and lots of other POW stories. McC is the only one using his story to con us into Amnesty and globaloney warming nonsense. That's where I draw the line. I'll listen respectfully, but he's done nothing to convince me of his trustworthiness.

167

Kemper, are you high?  I think we've got a fighting chance too, but no Republican has won either Michigan OR Pennsylvania for 16 years.  We MIGHT have a shot at Michigan, but there's no way we're getting PA.  It will not happen, the gap is too insurmountable right now. 

Did you know that Obama was in Pennsylvania today?  And since his world-shattering speech last week he has also been in.....Michigan and Wisconsin?  Why is he campaiging there if those states are locked up for him?

He's also running ads now on abortion.  In September.  That's usually the last "panic card" a Democrat plays when he sees the women's vote pulling away.  I'm in PA and he is running NOTHING but negative ads here, one of them so full of lies it could have been prodcued by Saddam Hussein.

Why did his campaign manager send a panic fundraising email to his supporters at 3 a.m. last night?  And you have to see it to believe it, it is unbelievably whiny, complaining about Sarah Palin's attacks on community organizers. 

These are NOT the signs of a campaign that is winning, they are the signs of a candidate that has not secured a huge part of his own party's votes and has a thin skin and a glass jaw.  He might still get these votes and win, but every day that he spends going after them, John McCain and Sarah Palin can spend going after the independents and the small town Democrats.  And now he has lost all hope of getting a significant number of Republican votes or of the evangelicals being turned off and not voting.

I could go on, but basically John McCain has fucked up everything Obama had planned to do, and he has no Plan B.

168 He promises all sorts of things he hasn't a clue on how to deliver on.  Education?  Isn't that a local school board matter?  Why should the President diddle in that?

Because the more we push for school choice for the poor, the worse the liberals look. Can McCain get universal vouchers passed from a Dem congress? No. Should he rub their noses in their betrayal of the very people they swear they support? Yes.

When it comes to domestic policy, energy may be the only thing more important than destroying the teacher's union and getting children away from the clutches of the left. Personally, I'd rather have universal vouchers with no drilling in the outer continental shelf than the reverse.

169 Ha! Hat tip to Allah, Heart has already filed suit against the RNC for using "Barracuda." Yet another great move by Team McCain! Play the song without permission, on purpose, first because of the reaction they knew they'd get, and second because of the positive press that comes from being targeted by celebrities and their lawyers. Well played, ladies and gentlemen!

170 I just want everyone here to pause a moment, and realize how incredibly lucky this has all turned out. All the controversy generated unprecedented interest--and some 45 million (counting internet and cspan and radio) all tuned in to watch one particular speech. They saw one of the best speeches ever delivered in non-crisis times. There is no doubt that interest in the Palin "scandals" brought in another 10 million viewers. And after her speech, some significant number of those will vote. And it's not just new converts. Everybody who was for Hillary now has a harder time pulling that lever--they will have to go out of there way, stand in line, get late to work, just so they can actively vote to keep the first ever woman out of the White House. That will be hard to do, and it will show in the turnout. The effects of the Palin speech will be myriad, subtle, and long lasting.

171 Watch for the race card.  That is the Big 0's plan B.

K

172 Jeff B. @#153: Kemper, are you high?  I think we've got a fighting chance too, but no Republican has won either Michigan OR Pennsylvania for 16 years.  We MIGHT have a shot at Michigan, but there's no way we're getting PA.  It will not happen, the gap is too insurmountable right now.

I'm not giving up my fellow rednecks in Pennsylvania without a fight.  Rudy and Palin both brought up the "bitter" remark, and Sarah especially broke that stick off in Obama's ass.  We will be hammering that every goddamn day until the end; they offer in return that Joe "Scranton" Biden was born in Scranton, and is from Scranton, and Delaware?  Where's that?  Scranton, motherfuckers!

I think they're both winnable.  RCP has Obama up 4.4 nationwide, 4.3 in Michigan and 5.0 in Pennsylvania.  The bounce will raise all those boats.

173 Sigh...the Wilson sisters sent a cease and desist letter to the McCain camp not to use Barracuda -- looks like McCain didn't care http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/04/republicans-lack-heart/

174 So when Palin becomes president, will she be doing some cowgirl diplomacy? Cause I have to tell you that's just fuckin' HOT! K, Maybe reverse cowgirl diplomacy!

175 Posted by: EnochF at September 05, 2008 01:02 AM (VXm6y) Do they honestly have to get permission to play a publicly released song? If they pay a royalty or whatever, that is?

176

(Newsbusted joke track on)

If Heart had an audience, they'd have just alienated half of it.

177

Nothing on stopping ILLEGAL Immigration?  Who were the hacks who spoke before him...............hmmmm

Sorry, I can't be bought with some VP eye-candy.

Until Juan McCain comes on air and says NO amnesty, I'm not voting.  California is a pit, and it will only get worse.

178 I'm still an undecided. I gotta say, I was marginally impressed by his speech, especially the end.

Other that some more specifics about his time as a POW however, I really learned nothing new about him.

Convention speeches from the top of the ticket generally aren't aimed at those of us who are already familiar with the candidate, so I suppose he might have done reasonably well with those just learning who he is.

I think the debates are where Obama will try to drive off some of McCain's base gained by virtue of Palin's tremendous popularity by putting McCain on the spot for a lot of those issues that makes him unpopular with Conservatives.

And frankly, I look forward to that strategy. I would like someone to put McCain on the spot on several issues and have him make some specific late-in-the-game promises.

Still on the sidelines for now, but Palin certainly makes it much more likely I could find my way to the polls.

179 Don't think the Wilsons will win this one. Once you put it out in public, you don't retain the rights to when, where, or why your material gets played. If you want to be picky, you better not let FM radio stations broadcast it at will, or high school pep bands play it at basketball games. As long as BMI and ASCAP get their cuts, it's pretty much fair game. Ask The Pretenders. They ended up just selling the rights outright to Rush. They weren't going to win, anyway.

180
Today he said he got people jobs after a steel plant closed down.
Probably jobs as ACORN operatives for slave wages
Ought to be super simple to investigate.

Not so simple. Maybe impossible. In Cook County files and records and important (i.e., revealing and informational) documents have a tendency to disappear just when people come looking for them. Obama was (and is) a creature of the Daley machine. Which means that the existence of any documents that might show him in a less than favorable light probably no longer exist.

181

Do they honestly have to get permission to play a publicly released song? If they pay a royalty or whatever, that is?

I believe that there's obligatory licensing so the artists can't prevent you from playing their song in a public venue, but you do have to pay royalties.

182 Marchand -

I'm not giving up my fellow rednecks in Pennsylvania without a fight.  Rudy and Palin both brought up the "bitter" remark, and Sarah especially broke that stick off in Obama's ass.  We will be hammering that every goddamn day until the end; they offer in return that Joe "Scranton" Biden was born in Scranton, and is from Scranton, and Delaware?  Where's that?  Scranton, motherfuckers!

I have no problem with forcing Obama to play defense in states like PA and MN and WI, but at the end of the day we need to recognize that this is all we're doing with these states (maybe not WI...it was within a nuthair of going GOP last time, dunno what it's like right now).  I've been watching national elections for a long time at this point, and PA has always been the Great White Whale of the Republican presidential campaign: so close, so alluringly close at times, but always just out of reach and likely to lead you on to your doom if you pursue it too closely.  There's just no way the GOP, in its current state, can overmatch the Democratic ballast that Philadelphia provides.  A McCain-brand GOP (a GOP I'd probably prefer in a lot of ways to the current Bushian GOP) could do it.  But that's not the GOP's brand at this point, not after 4 years of fuckups.  I don't think we can rebrand quickly enough.  I hope to god we can.

As for the speech, the strangest thing is happening to me.  Once the buzz of Palin's speech wore off, I realized that it wasn't really that good.  Its power - which is real, and is helping us immensely - was in the woman who delivered it, her immense charisma and biography and track record.  On the other hand, as I reflect on what John McCain actually TOLD me about himself tonight, I am more and more impressed. I feel profoundly moved, maybe even a little vulnerable. 

Because McCain revealed true vulnerability -- this is as profoundly unpolitical as it gets -- when he spoke about how was a broken man, a man ashamed of himself for giving into the Viet Cong. A man who found a reason to live and a reason to believe in brotherhood of his fellow Americans, a reason for doing what he does, a reason he calls for public service so emphatically.  Dammit, it makes you understand why he's such a stubborn asshole, why I can't dislike him even when he pisses me off, because my god he really does believe in what he's doing. 

This may sound ridiculous, especially coming from someone who follows politics as closely as I do, but I actually learned something new, something crucially important, about who John McCain is and why he believes what he believes.  I've never really felt that sort of insight into another politician.  Ever.  Mark Salter earned his paycheck.

183 notropis That's kinda what I thought. Incidentally, I listened to Rush and he said he called Chrissi Hynde (I think he said he's heard she was pissed or he was concerned she'd be pissed) to she if she cared if he used her song and liberal as she is told him she didn't care one bit if he used it. But nothing says elitist and facist more then telling the world that republicans can't listen to your song.

184 #150

This is a good time to contrast this with W's "kindler, gentler tone."

Notice McCain isn't promising anything of the sort.  He will use the bully pulpit to go after Democrats on spending, education, energy and other issues where he has staked out conservative positions. 

I think he's going to govern closer to how he has run.  Maybe a few shit sandwiches for conservatives in a big picnic basket of goodies.

185 If they used Heart's song illegally, that's nothing to cheer.

A major feature of McCain's campaign is to do things the right way.

186 Goddammit, I just re-read the second half of my last post and it sounds like Andrew Sullivan.  Fuckin' Andrew.

187 "Lost this one already?"

No, but either way we're sort of screwed.  Malor made a good point in the live chat, tho -- *winning* this time may now be the best way to get the real conservative we want in 2012.  Just cross your fingers and hope Barracuda doesn't get any amnesty stink on her.

"Palin/Fred! 2012"

Number of ejaculations:  infinite

"I think they're both winnable.  RCP has Obama up 4.4 nationwide, 4.3 in Michigan and 5.0 in Pennsylvania.  The bounce will raise all those boats."

I think we can get more legitimate votes in PA.  Whether we can pass Philadelphia's margin of cheating...  Uhh....

188 #175

No, there's not a thing they can do, AFAIK.

But really, this isn't a move to stop Republicans from using the song.

It's just a way to say to the leftist music industry, hey, we ain't Rethuglicans. PR.

189 krakatoa how could they have used it illegally though? I guess I am not getting it - they could use at a sporting event.

190

From Barry's book:

When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn't answer them directly. Instead, I'd pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won't come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.

So pretty much just smoking reefer, shooting hoops, and talking about hope and change?  Except for the reefer that's what he's doing now...

191 I put this at pwisdom too -- Sidney BlumenthalÂ’s spawn hassles Mccain 96 yo old mother at convention wondering if Bristol Palin would have benefitted from more sex education and posts it on Huffington Post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPek4JgxdJs&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccains-mother-and-daughter-abused.html

192 So far as I know, sporting arenas pay royalties to use music, even just parts of music, to whomever owns the rights to the music.

193 "If they used Heart's song illegally" It's not illegal. Published = public. I don't need to get permission to play Heart's music in my bar; I just have to pay the royalties (which is actually just a package payola to BMI and ASCAP based on the capacity of the place and the number of days/year you use recorded music.) Same with the Republican convention. If they're paying the royalties, they can use any music they want -- Heart, Garth Brooks, even Barbara Streisand.

194 Palin: Cat #1
Obama: Cat #2

McCain: Post-partisan uniter with moral high-ground.

Brilliant strategy.

195 In other words, they are making Obama into a bitch.

196 "If they used Heart's song illegally, that's nothing to cheer."

It's a violation of international law.  McCain better call his international lawyer.

197 Re. royalties:

Recording artists earn royalties from the sale of their recordings on CDs, cassette tapes, and, in the good old days, vinyl. Recording artists don't earn royalties on public performances (when their music is played on the radio, on TV, or in bars and restaurants). This is a long-standing practice that's based on copyright law and the fact that when radio stations play the songs, more CDs and tapes are sold. Songwriters and publishers, however, do earn royalties in these instances -- as well as a small portion of the recording sales...

Performance rights and royalties - A performance-rights license allows music to be performed live or broadcast. These licenses typically come in the form of a "blanket license," which gives the licensee the right to play a particular PRO's entire collection in exchange for a set fee. Licenses for use of individual recordings are also available. All-talk radio stations, for example, wouldn't have the need for a blanket license to play the PRO's entire collection. The performance royalty is paid to the songwriter and publisher when a song is performed live or on the radio.

198 Re: Olbermann

Guess this means they can show the faces of the thousands of soldiers the Republicans sent off to be killed in Iraq, their coffins, everything. It's all fair game now.

199 Jeff B.:  Unlike Andy's stuff, your post was smart and moving and true.

200 notropis, how do you fund intrade these days? I thought since our betters passed that port security/internet gambling act in 2006, that was foreigners-only. Which is a damn shame, because if there's anything better than taking money from idiots who think O is a lock, it's when the idiots are foreigners.

201 Don't think the Wilsons will win this one. Once you put it out in public, you don't retain the rights to when, where, or why your material gets played. If you want to be picky, you better not let FM radio stations broadcast it at will, or high school pep bands play it at basketball games. As long as BMI and ASCAP get their cuts, it's pretty much fair game. Ask The Pretenders. They ended up just selling the rights outright to Rush. They weren't going to win, anyway.

And don't forget Ronald Reagan using "Born In The USA" at the '84 convention. Bruce Springsteen was pissed, but he couldn't do much about it either. Also you may have noticed they played John Fogerty's "Centerfield" after McCain's speech tonight. Fogerty is no more a GOP fan than Springsteen or the Wilsons, but the same thing applies here.

On another note, so much for Obama's big fundraising advantage.

202 Considering how Bill O'Reilly, who grew up on Long Island, and Rick Warren, whose a loveable bear of a man (in a hetero way! don't smite me!) managed to get Obama sweating and nervous, I'm unsure as to how he's going to handle John "I was in a POW camp longer then you were in college and the US Senate" McCain.

203 Right notropis. Assuming the convention paid the royalties, should be no issue.

Indeed, it'll probably end up reflecting poorly on the Wilsons as EnochF suggested.

204 D^2 @ 198... yup. Right on. You are so blazingly smart it makes my eyes water. That strategy couldn't possibly backfire.

205 krak:  When Obama wins in November, I'm sure your eyes will water too.  Just please refrain from gunning down the local Unitarian church when you flip out-- they're nice people.

This petty vindictiveness thing is fun!  I can see why you guys love it so!

206 Nice link, D^2...who's the little fairy emo band?

207 Does anybody have a link to the 9/11 tribute video that so upset Olbermann?

208 Wow D! You have opened my eyes. I'm going to hammer all my guns into dreamcatchers, thanks to your enlightenment. Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

209 I think every moron should call their local rock station three times a day an request Barracuda.  It would send a message.

210 Just please refrain from gunning down the local Unitarian church when you flip out-- they're nice people.

Shouldn't you be addressing this to Obama?  He's the one who's pals with an unrepentant terrorist.

211 E.J. Dionne is crying in the Washington Post.  He wants the "old John McCain back."  You know, the one that did not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this election. 

212 This has to be said. This is a speech by George H.W. Bush:

America is never wholly herself unless she is engaged in high moral principle. We as a people have such a purpose today. It is to make kinder the face of the Nation and gentler the face of the world. My friends, we have work to do. There are the homeless, lost and roaming. There are the children who have nothing, no love, no normalcy. There are those who cannot free themselves of enslavement to whatever addiction--drugs, welfare, the demoralization that rules the slums. There is crime to be conquered, the rough crime of the streets. There are young women to be helped who are about to become mothers of children they can't care for and might not love. They need our care, our guidance, and our education, though we bless them for choosing life.

The old solution, the old way, was to think that public money alone could end these problems. But we have learned that is not so. And in any case, our funds are low. We have a deficit to bring down. We have more will than wallet; but will is what we need. We will make the hard choices, looking at what we have and perhaps allocating it differently, making our decisions based on honest need and prudent safety. And then we will do the wisest thing of all: We will turn to the only resource we have that in times of need always grows--the goodness and the courage of the American people.

I am speaking of a new engagement in the lives of others, a new activism, hands-on and involved, that gets the job done. We must bring in the generations, harnessing the unused talent of the elderly and the unfocused energy of the young. For not only leadership is passed from generation to generation, but so is stewardship. And the generation born after the Second World War has come of age.

I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good. We will work hand in hand, encouraging, sometimes leading, sometimes being led, rewarding. We will work on this in the White House, in the Cabinet agencies. I will go to the people and the programs that are the brighter points of light, and I will ask every member of my government to become involved. The old ideas are new again because they are not old, they are timeless: duty, sacrifice, commitment, and a patriotism that finds its expression in taking part and pitching in.

The quote comes from Pejman Yousefzadeh at RedState, but I've been thinking about this issue since her speech.

This website is from "Community Organizers Fight Back". I commented on their earlier and they allowed my comment past the initial moderation, then the subsequent comment wasn't moderated. I respect that because my comment was a bit critical of them and defensive of Palin. Other people expressed similar thoughts and they were allowed to participate in the discussion.

In short, I believe it's important we make it clear for both moral and pragmatic reasons we respect community organization done for a good purpose, effectively, and without corruption. Many people including evangelical Christians, some of whom are joining that website's fight, are community organizers in the broad sense.

I have been destitute and these people have helped me, and members of my family. They help with issues beyond temporary poverty too.

213 CNN pretty bad right now. They held it in until now, but it's coming out. Anderson Cooper in particular is a pissy little bitch, thinking he's mocking - but really whining about - the beat up the elite Washington media stuff.

214

And, code pink strikes again...

Dumbasses.

Mayhap thats what the RNC wanted to showcase?

HOPE, CHANGE!

Bring it, bitches.

215 Okay, low-grade idiots aside, it really raises my hackles when some jackass does what Obama just did. He attacked Palin by minimizing (as in pretending they didn't exist) her accomplishments. When she hits back, he cries foul. Bitch, she didn't attack you, YOU ATTACKED HER and she just stomped your ass in response, don't go crying to the MSM you slimebag!!!

Motherfucker needs, NEEDS to be slapped in the face for that shit. The MSM isn't gonna do it, his momma should have because you know he was pulling that passive-aggressive crap when he was 7 years old - and about the same mental age as he is now.

If not for the MSM crutch, he'd still be a "community organizer." Assholes. Slimebag, dishonest, corrupt assholes.

216

i want keith olbermann to die of testicular cancer. no,, no  man, i really do. he is the biggest coward.......i want to slice him with paper cuts in the corner of his dripping cunt mouth and then take my uncles gov issued .45 and pistol whip him.  im gonna take an xanax now. goodnight.

217 Please, D^2, do not disparage the power of petty vindictiveness (PV). That would be like doubting the efficacy of sarcasm. What are you, some kinda comminist?

218

i hope olbermann was molested by a freaky uncle. ok now xanax.

219 I still have cautious optimism about PA. The Philly fraud machine will be in high gear for Obama, at least in the black neighborhoods. But, I know many white union workers who will not vote at all, and if the bosses force them into the booth, they will vote McCain out of spite. Hopey changiness isn't playing well in the whiter parts of Philly. As for the rest of the state, well, they don't call it Pennsyltucky for nothing!

Here's to hope!

220

Two super-hardcore Kool-Aid drinking Leftie lesbians I know are COMPLETELY against Obama.  My Sister in law, and a very good friend's daughter.  Both are old enough to vote, and both have said they will be pulling the lever for Mac!  O scares the crap out of them with his way leftist views.

My puppy is voting for McCanine/Pawlin 08!

221 "The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on." John Major

222

Nearly 2 million more women were watching Palin than men

I was watching to see if she'd show her tits...

223

Jeff b,

What are you kidding?  Of course I was high, but I stand by my thoughts about PA and MI.

Never have the Republicans run a UNION member on the tkt, and a hunter and mother of five.

You do know they close most manufactering plants in PA on opening day of deer season, don't you? Same in MI and WI.

And NO one snowmobiles in MI or WI. 

Gezz, The "O" is shitting in his pants.  The Philly vote is big, but McCain can probably take Pittsburgh, biggest city in WVA.

Yep, as James Brown said "I feel good" 

224 MI, might be in play.  But it's mostly because the unions don't really like the messiah that much.  But when the union in MI goes wobbly, they goto plan B, which is MASSIVE vote fraud in Wayne county.

I cannot speak that well to the other states.

K

225 ""Why would that kind of work be ridiculed?""
Because "community organizer" is a euphemism for "Marxist agitator".

226 It's a violation of international law.  McCain better call his international lawyer.

Posted by: JB at September 05, 2008 01:34 AM (qxc7J)

When did Gabe change his nic?

227 So Hearts pissed that the RNC used "barracuda" last night.  What is it with Artists?  This is clearly a good thing for their wallets, I bet ITUNES has seen a huge increase in hits for this old tune.  I was even going to download it, but since they are being petty bitches about it I'll go find it for free!
Cease that M-Fers!

228 Two things I noticed this morning in talking with people IRL:

1) A lot of them did not know much about McCain. The POW stuff was moving and made them realize the difference between a candidate who "has the scars to prove it" and a candidate who is blinding them with shiny things.

2) Several Vietnam era veterans who were lukewarm about McCain at best or adamantly against McCain at worst (they feel he sold them out on the MIA issue when he worked to normalize relations with Vietnam), have become true believers. Between his message of country first and Palin as his VP pick, they are converted.

So, all in all, I'd give McCain a B+ on the speech itself, but an A++ on his overall effort to get the message out and the party fired up.

Oh, and on a personal note, my fears were realized last night when they played "Barracuda". In the back of my mind I knew some dumbfuck would think that it was a good idea to play it and, after 30 years of studiously avoiding listening the screeching catbags of Heart, I am now doomed to hear it for the next few months. Please, oh please, let Heart somehow revoke permission to play it.

229 I caught a replay of McCain's speech late last night.

Just to warn you, it's not as good the second time.

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