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November 02, 2008

Skyrocketing Electricity Costs Are My Plan, Bitch
— Dave in Texas

Qwinn pointed this clip out in Nice Deb's post below, from the same interview I believe. I tried to add it as an update but mucked something up, at any rate it's noteworthy.

You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because Im capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

Typically, Obama stumbles over his own rhetoric and uses the word "money" when he means "cost". But he's quite clear on the impact... he intends to extort bucks from energy producers, who will have to pass on those costs to their consumers, which are, uh, us. This little matter of short term pain, skyrocketing electricity rates is just a small price to pay to pave the way for the coming energy utopia when we heat our homes with faerie farts and renewable rainbows.

"duh" update: link added.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 12:22 PM | Comments (164)
Post contains 221 words, total size 1 kb.

1 Thanks, Dave.

It baffles me that this statement isn't a red siren on Drudge or on the front page of every paper in the country. But even conservatives seem kinda "meh" upon hearing it. What the hell?

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 12:24 PM (3FVXC)

2 Dave in Texas, I honestly believe this deserves another flaming skull. But either way, it's a shocker.

Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 12:25 PM (hawOV)

3 Link? And would you like me to fix Nice Deb's flaming skull?

Posted by: Vinnie at November 02, 2008 12:26 PM (idf83)

4 Great leap forward 2.0

Posted by: someone2 at November 02, 2008 12:27 PM (6gpfc)

5 But these skyrocketing electric rates are balanced by taxes on bankrupted businesses. So, what's the problem?

Posted by: seyont at November 02, 2008 12:28 PM (FcR7P)

"Dark Ages here we come!!"~obama

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:28 PM (2Snaq)

7 Here's the link to the Hotair piece.

http://tinyurl.com/6q2tjb

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 12:28 PM (3FVXC)

8 We can heat our homes on Dreams from his Father

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 12:28 PM (i73Rf)

9 I'm glad energy independence came to the front again, even if its only on the last day of the campaign. All day tomorrow, these two quotes should be repeated and shouted.

Not only for the sake of coal; but that he thinks he has some sort of right to bankrupt an industry because he finds it unacceptable.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 12:29 PM (ddGv/)

10 Skyrocketing everything rates.

Posted by: mesablue at November 02, 2008 12:30 PM (5yNaE)

11 Actually, the methane from Fairy farts really does burn more efficiently than gasoline. The problem is the expense of both catching and then maintaing the fairies is prohibitively high.

Posted by: libarbarian at November 02, 2008 12:31 PM (tCYT+)

Ben Smith at Politico posted a misleading account of this story, leading with Obama's spokesman's claim that the video is "wildly misleadling"

Unbelievable tripe, I'm fighting it out in the comments, please send reinforcements, thus far the Obama paid commenters are trying to spin the comments as centrist!!!

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 02, 2008 12:31 PM (5r0Tz)

13 Remember he was for the gradual increase in gas prices. Are we seeing a trend here?

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:32 PM (2Snaq)

14 This is the first presidential candidate that has actually promised to destroy the country.

And it's a lefty wet dream.

Posted by: mesablue at November 02, 2008 12:32 PM (5yNaE)

15 If we could just splice the fart DNA from the fairies into, say, bacteria (just like we do with insulin) then fairy-fart power could become a reality in our lifetimes.

Posted by: libarbarian at November 02, 2008 12:32 PM (tCYT+)

Obama Added To Mount Rushmore <-- This is funny LOL

http://preview.tinyurl.com/56fbz6

Posted by: Steave Cuozzo at November 02, 2008 12:33 PM (yrt6G)

17 "And would you like me to fix Nice Deb's flaming skull?"

Yeah, put a blink tag around it. Make it really stand out.

(Vinnie, I'm kidding. Don't really put a blink tag around it. I thought I'd clarify that I'm joking because the man who can post a flaming douche is capable of anything.)

Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 12:33 PM (hawOV)

18 Can we get Obama the FLAMING DOUCHE AWARD for today's revelations? What a f*cktard, lying piece of horseshit

Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 12:33 PM (yCbBv)

Dear Baby Jesus,

Please help us defeat this man so he can't ruin our country.

Signed

Ginger

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:34 PM (2Snaq)

20 What amazes me about these two things is that NO ONE even blinks any more at the thought of taking money away from businesses and giving it to someone else to use for research!!! What the Fuck is up with that? Who gets the benefit of the research? The patents? The ownership of processes? So we take the money away from Exxon and give it to AlGore's company to waste on research? Yep, sounds like a democrat's plan to me. How about limiting salaries in that new venture designed to waste money? Stupid on too many levels to imagine. Isn't this the same thing that got him in trouble with Joe the Plumber? Shouldn't companies that make profits by providing desireable services be able to spend part of thier profit on research and development to (maybe, it's a gamble after all) benefit the company and their share holders? Instead they should pay money so some asshat somewhere can do research!

Posted by: Mephitis at November 02, 2008 12:35 PM (17pTk)

21 Isn't Zero pushing electric cars? Doesn't he want the WH fleet to be exclusively hybrid? Just askin'...

Posted by: bunny boy at November 02, 2008 12:35 PM (YsSn7)

22 lorien, I clipped teh story about the "redistributed tip" from your well put together site. I am forced to go to S.F. next week and I always take a few printed handouts to "share." As always thanx. P.S. if anyone wants to read a good story check it out.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 12:35 PM (i73Rf)

23 Obama is a flaming asshole. What a fudgepacker.

Posted by: Shaitan at November 02, 2008 12:35 PM (65WaW)

24 "Can we get Obama the FLAMING DOUCHE AWARD for today's revelations? What a f*cktard, lying piece of horseshit."

Dude, Obama's never going to see the douche; we will. It's just going to hurt us.

No douche.

Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 12:36 PM (hawOV)

25 I posted a map of the "Coal Belt" for clarification.

http://tiny.cc/FTN4Z

Since Panhandle electricity is 100% coal fired, does that mean we're officially flucked?

Posted by: tree hugging sister at November 02, 2008 12:37 PM (RAqf7)

26 His health care plan will probably be to reduce obesity by starving us.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at November 02, 2008 12:38 PM (MMC8r)

27 "Ja-ever-notice". Sorry, a 60 Minutes flashback there.

Anyway, people should notice that all the true believers in these fabulous yet-to-be-invented energy schemes are usually liberal arts majors. They never took any serious math, know nothing about chemistry, don't know what entropy means--much less why it matters, have never even installed an electrical outlet, and don't have the slightest idea what Ohm's law (or any other natural law for that matter) means.

Obama is willing to bet your entire future on somebody making an invention that he can't understand. Expect a Soviet-style purge if we can't somehow satisfy the wishful thinking of Teh One.

Wishful thinking our way into abject poverty. Heaven help us all.

Posted by: jc at November 02, 2008 12:38 PM (E9BMW)

28 In fact this whole subject is another Joe the Plumber moment. Take money away from companies that make money (carbon is worth money because it is the most efficient energy storage medium that is known at this time) and give it to those less fortunate. Spread the wealth, so to speak, so that folks that don't actually make money can do research too.

Posted by: Mephitis at November 02, 2008 12:39 PM (17pTk)

Ace, PAGOP has a NEW Wright Ad that is airing!

Someone should post it up for a topic!

Posted by: PPP at November 02, 2008 12:39 PM (zzms8)

gah. what is it about me and link forgetfulness?

is it the boner pills?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 02, 2008 12:39 PM (eiOZw)

31 Does anyone have instructions for hooking up some sort of converter to the rats' wheel? Every little bit would help, under an Obama regime. Plus the rats are hairless, so they have all the more incentive to keep the heat going! "Mush, you little naked monkeys!"

Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 12:40 PM (Hjij/)

32 Relax. We'll be able to heat our homes with the emaciated dried up corpses of our neigbors who will starve to death. No bid deal.

Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 12:40 PM (8D9ef)

33 Count on a final attack on the stock market tomorrow to try to influence the vote. I predict a big drop on short selling from the middle east. Big 3 networks already have stories written: worst single day - lack of confidence in capitalism - end of the world - doom gloom. Watch as NBC pulls out all stops; animates a zombie to read the economic news - watch for music in back of the news - dirge for economic news - bright new day sun rising music when they talk of the only one who can save us - the Messiah. Since they have zero credibility left they might as well go straight to the propaganda and hope it is too late to call them on it.

Posted by: Veteran330 at November 02, 2008 12:42 PM (ylhEn)

34 faerie fart....homophobic, are we?

Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2008 12:46 PM (X29pd)

35 Veteran330 - #33 - Good point. I had forgotten about that possibility.

Posted by: jjmurphy at November 02, 2008 12:46 PM (6OPMS)

36 Relax. We'll be able to heat our homes with the emaciated dried up corpses of our neigbors who will starve to death. No bid deal.

That will earn you a stint in the Gulag dude.

All corpses will be state property and reserved for rendering into Soylent Obama.

Posted by: libarbarian at November 02, 2008 12:46 PM (tCYT+)

37 These guys never stop to figure that all energy ultimately comes from the suns rays. How we "harvest" that energy changes the "carbon footprint" hardly at all. I laughed when I found out how much CFC's are released in the making of solar panels, (of course leading to global warming!). When all good sources of energy are taxed beyond anyone's ability to pay for it, we will subsist by lighting bovine farts or something (which leads to global warming whether we burn them or not!).

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 02, 2008 12:46 PM (ympAm)

38 Amusing (in a morbid way) that as Europe is just now seeing the the real costs of Kyoto, wind, and the lack of serious energy policy, Obama wants to push us all in balls deep. Could he really be that foolish and arrogant? One hot as balls summer in an election year would kill this shit, albeit at a high cost.

Posted by: bunny boy at November 02, 2008 12:47 PM (YsSn7)

39 Sent a link to Drudge.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:48 PM (2Snaq)

40 Are faerie farts flammable? If so the Democratic Convention was a ticking air fuel bomb.

Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2008 12:48 PM (X29pd)

41
That will earn you a stint in the Gulag dude.

Guys. It's not called a Gulag, that's so 20th century. They're electoral re-education facilities. And if The Messiah gets elected, we'll all going to end up there.

Posted by: shibumi at November 02, 2008 12:50 PM (tZB/c)

42 Dear G-d,
As a conservative Jew I am begging you to send lightening bolts up Obama's ass.
Do the right thing.
I know you have unlimited internet access up there and therefore read AOSHQ everyday.

Many thanks for your kind cooperation in this matter.

_{KZ (my real initials cause you don't lie to G-d)}

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 12:50 PM (PBGAP)

43 Is Obama gonna open the door for nukes, then?

And somebody better tell the media that, without electricity, nobody's watching TV.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at November 02, 2008 12:52 PM (MMC8r)

44 Oh, but you knaves fail to understand...

Those arbitrary carbon emissions limits, and the arbitrary carbon cap and trade markets will crush Big Energy and force the dumbass American masses to embrace a renewed ideology that up until now, only the elite caretakers of Mother Gaia fully comprehend.

You see, all of those wind and solar power generators will be tapped into the same grid, - at no expense to anyone, - cogenerating for the benefit of all of humanity.

It is not a potential logistical design and safety nightmare of convoluted complexity, as some would say. Hardly so. It's simply an enlightened approach to self-sufficiency...

...let's just call it payback for stealing my ascension to the throne, bitches.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 02, 2008 12:53 PM (aaGD+)

I am going to have a series case of ods if obama is elected. Hmm... I wonder why?

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:54 PM (2Snaq)

46 I will be an extremist here. Anybody who thinks this has any thing to do other than with the destruction of the American economy, is too charitable in assessing the motives of islamo-marxists. Obama is so, so mundane and superficial in his pov, but no less uncertain. The destruction of this country and Western Civilization is his goal, the goal of every islamo-marxist.

Posted by: Tonawanda at November 02, 2008 12:55 PM (IA49+)

47
And to think, we are within a hairsbreadth of electing this nitwit president of the United States. Un-fucking-believable.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 02, 2008 12:56 PM (OMiLl)

48 Insty has Obama's comments on killing the coal industry making it into the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. No idea how large or influential that is, though.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 02, 2008 12:56 PM (Tha0W)

49 I was talking to a Russian friend of mine after Mass today, and he said, "You know what's ironic? I left the Soviet Union to get away from this kind of government. Apparently, it's following me around, just like it followed the Polish Jews when they fled to Paris."
Then he laughed a kind of nervous laugh, but I don't think he's very amused.

Posted by: Cathy (in Chicago) at November 02, 2008 12:57 PM (3xgoE)

50 Let's not all forget about this statement from Barry either, which ties right into his desire to force Americans to change their ways by jacking up our energy costs: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said. "That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added." -- Barack Obama "Hope" and "Change" we can believe in. Barry spreading the misery of the world around the United States of America. And this man is 2 days away from the Presidency. Simply un-fuhkeen-real. What in the world is wrong with America that this utter fuhkeen fraud can even be this viable of a candidate.

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 02, 2008 12:57 PM (s0Zrm)

And to think, we are within a hairsbreadth of electing this nitwit president of the United States. Un-fucking-believable.

We can thank the msm for that.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 12:57 PM (2Snaq)

52 I believe financial ruin is what AlQaeda's desired result was too.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at November 02, 2008 12:57 PM (F1b/5)

53 Doodad Pro = OPEC.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at November 02, 2008 12:59 PM (MMC8r)

Well, before you build your brand new Utopian order, you have to dismantle the old one.

Intentionally throwing wrenches into the dynamo that is the American economy is a good way to achieve that.

Posted by: Lee at November 02, 2008 01:00 PM (TxTIh)

http://tinyurl.com/6e39l8

Here's a link to the Pitt Tribune regarding obama's bankrupting the coal industry. Me thinkies that they just lost a seat on obama's plane.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:01 PM (2Snaq)

"And somebody better tell the media that, without electricity, nobody's watching TV."

Don't worry. You and your family will report to your local Ministry Of Information once a week and an official from The Party will give you all of the splendid news of our Dear Leader and progress in The Motherland.

Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 01:02 PM (8D9ef)

57 Just a side note. The Seattleactivism.org site is down. Methinks they finally caught on to our hijinks. While it lasted it was hilarious.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 01:03 PM (PBGAP)

BTW,

The Tribune endorsed Hillary in the primaries. I have no idea who they are endorsing now.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:04 PM (2Snaq)

59 What were you guys doing with Seattleactivism.org?

Posted by: Popcorn at November 02, 2008 01:04 PM (Tha0W)

60 Bucs won their game against the chiefs today 30-27, after being down 24-3.

Went to the bucs board and posted:

McCain: Bucs
Obama: Chiefs

LOL - Obamabots were pissed! Tee hee hee!

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 01:05 PM (ddGv/)

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 06:05 PM (ddGv/)

My husband also watched that game. He's a Buc's fan I am a KC fan.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:06 PM (2Snaq)

62 Hey guys, I just got a call from the McCain campaign asking for an emergency contribution. I'm tapped out right now, but if any of you can afford to contribute some more, get thee over to JohnMcCain.com and help them out.

Posted by: lmg at November 02, 2008 01:07 PM (A/vgC)

63 RNC Making robocalls about Burning Skull:

Republicans to Try Burning Obama on Coal

November 02, 2008 3:23 PM
Im calling on behalf of John McCain and the RNC to tell you that coal jobs, which are so important to our community are in jeopardy, says the robocall being made to voters in Pennsylvania and Ohio, among other coal-producing states.
Continues the robocall: Listen to Barack Obama's plans to bankrupt the coal industry.
The call then plays this quote from Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 02, 2008 01:07 PM (DdzMd)

Posted by: lmg at November 02, 2008 06:07 PM (A/vgC)

On my way. No way in hell am I going to help my country fall into the hands of socialists. No fucking way!! No fucking way!! No fucking way!!

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:08 PM (2Snaq)

65 I would add a note with any contribution made: "To be used only for "bankrupt the coal industry" and "electricity costs skyrocket" ads."

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 01:08 PM (3FVXC)

66 lmg at November 02, 2008 06:07 PM (A/vgC)

How? McCain can't accept donations. RNC perhaps?

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 01:10 PM (ddGv/)

67 #59
Ill Tempered Cur pointed us that way yesterday. Their calendar was open to all. The entries were priceless. "Our Hair Plugs, Ourselves", "Embrace the Anti-Semite Within Yourself", "McCain Sign Stealing Party", etc. I almost needed a new laptop.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 01:11 PM (PBGAP)

the counter on the Obama coal video is up to 111,820. To bad Drudge didn't make it a Red Headline.

Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 01:11 PM (QwWKI)

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 06:10 PM (ddGv/)

It allowed me to donate.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:12 PM (2Snaq)

70 I sent Drudge the link to the electricity rates quote 3 hours ago.

Guess he can't be bothered.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 01:13 PM (3FVXC)

even conservatives seem kinda "meh" upon hearing it.

Maybe because by now, there is absolutely nothing this turkey can do that surprises anyone.

Any way this election goes we can enjoy a lot of smugness. If McCain wins, we can sit smugly by (after we're safe from the riots) and watch the libs have screaching hissy fits for 6 months. If The Dark Lord win, we can sit smugly by after a few months while his disciples wail and whine in confusion that he didn't wave his magic wand and grant all their wishes.

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:13 PM (G3frc)

72 Obama's Energy Plan.

Everyone in the country will receive a Blue Snuggie Blanket.

_{As seen on TV}

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 01:14 PM (PBGAP)

73 Ginger at November 02, 2008 06:12 PM (2Snaq)

Yeah, but read the fine print. It's just for accounting,GOTV and legal fees. Not anything else such as pushing calls about the coal thing.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 01:14 PM (ddGv/)

74 If The Dark Lord win, we can sit smugly by after a few months while his disciples wail and whine in confusion that he didn't wave his magic wand and grant all their wishes.

I think you misunderstand the nature of the cult. Their overall income and standard of living could drop by 50%, and they will sing his praises.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 01:15 PM (3FVXC)

75 #66 From McCain's website:

Because the McCain-Palin Campaign is participating in the presidential public funding system, it will not raise private campaign contributions after August 31, 2008. However, federal law allows the Campaign to establish the Compliance Fund to defray legal and accounting compliance costs and preserve the Campaign's public grant for media, mail, phones, and get-out-the-vote programs.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 02, 2008 01:15 PM (Tha0W)

I think you misunderstand the nature of the cult. Their overall income and standard of living could drop by 50%, and they will sing his praises.

How many years can they get "blame Bush" out of it?

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:16 PM (G3frc)

77 "The Tribune endorsed Hillary in the primaries. I have no idea who they are endorsing now."

McCain

http://tiny.cc/Zpzmm

Posted by: tree hugging sister at November 02, 2008 01:17 PM (RAqf7)

78 #66 yes money goes to RNC victory fund!

Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 01:17 PM (yQXE2)

79 "How many years can they get "blame Bush" out of it?"

300.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 01:17 PM (3FVXC)

80 I guess that the McCain campaign wants to shift some money previously earmarked for hiring lawyers to use for ads or whatever.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 02, 2008 01:17 PM (Tha0W)

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 06:14 PM (ddGv/)

That's ok too. He will probably need it with all the crap with acorn.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:18 PM (2Snaq)

I'm having visions of "Dr. Zhivago".

Obama would make a great Anime or video game villain. Maybe a bad guy in the next Resident Evil.

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:18 PM (G3frc)

83 #66 I have given twice to the RNC victory fund in the last 2 days, the email requests came from the McCain campaign. The RNC can use it to support candidates.

Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 01:19 PM (yQXE2)

Posted by: tree hugging sister at November 02, 2008 06:17 PM (RAqf7)

Thanks!

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:20 PM (2Snaq)

One of my friends from childhood (a very good friend) is a lib, a major lib, so lib, that most libs would say "Dude, you're a fucking lib" sorta lib.

He was talking about technology, and while he's a lib, he's not retarded, said something like "THE SPACE STATION? Why the fuck we need them when we are paying for everything? Yeah yeah yeah research and shit, well, you know what? I have a theory that we can colonize the stars powered by rainbows and happy thoughts! I ain't gonna get a hundred million dllar arm for that theory."

Or something like that, he would come back to the ranbows and happy thoughts argument for pretty much everything he thought was stupid.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 02, 2008 01:21 PM (ul7te)

86 Can we say that the Tribune is a Puma paper?

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:21 PM (2Snaq)

87 "How many years can they get "blame Bush" out of it?"

300.

At least. I know people who are already saying that if McCain wins it proves that the Republicans stole a third election. Though I did con someone into betting me $100 that Bush will, in fact, step down on January 20th. Easy money, baby.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 02, 2008 01:22 PM (9lZg2)

88 Is anyone go to post a link to SNL's skewering of Olbermann? It's over on Hulu.

Posted by: Barbelle at November 02, 2008 01:22 PM (qF8q3)

89 PLEASE READ

Sorry to go off topic but I don't know where else to post this. In anticipation of large turnouts Tuesday it is imperative that we get the message out that in most states you still get to vote if you are in line when the polls close.

If you are GOTV or just in line yourself please remind voters of this fact. This will ensure that people will still go to the polls even if they are showing up at the last minute. Also, it will prevent any funny business in line.

Thanks and apologies for hijacking the thread.

Posted by: zoinks at November 02, 2008 01:22 PM (qrzXj)

90 I will say another extremist thing. Obama will encourage and facilitate Jew-hatred and Jew-destruction. Jews are, ironically, the linchpin of Western Civilization. It is dismaying that they willingly contribute to their own eradication. But it is more dismaying that they are the objects of eradication, and what it means for rational thinking.

Posted by: Tonawanda at November 02, 2008 01:22 PM (IA49+)

91 Obama doesn have enough hair to be an anime villian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sCBhHEYjg&feature=related

Posted by: Techie at November 02, 2008 01:27 PM (EVMm7)

92 Can any one illuminate why Jewish Americans are viewed as a solid dem voting block? I just can't understand it at all. thanx.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 01:29 PM (i73Rf)

You know, this is really incredible. Democrats are so demonstrably bad on energy policy it alone is reason enough to vote against every single one of them, because the vital importance energy has to our economy and security.

Well here's Obama pretty much confessing to the game, and it comes out Sunday night before the election? In a two year election?

Posted by: Cowboy at November 02, 2008 01:29 PM (0u7vW)

Obama doesn have enough hair to be an anime villian.

How about a Resident Evil regenerator? They don't have hair, just tentacles and crap sticking out or their heads.

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:30 PM (G3frc)

Obama doesn have enough hair to be an anime villian.

How about a Resident Evil regenerator? They don't have hair, just tentacles and crap sticking out or their heads.

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:30 PM (G3frc)

Obama doesn have enough hair to be an anime villian.

How about a Resident Evil regenerator? They don't have hair, just tentacles and crap sticking out or their heads.

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:30 PM (G3frc)

97 Hey, I didn't triple post that! My computer did it all on its own. Or this blog did it!

Posted by: katya at November 02, 2008 01:31 PM (G3frc)

98 This guy, Obama, is an ignorant arse and he has O credibility on this issue, and I should know since I am the smartest man in the universe.

I'm ALGore the human 2X4 and I approved this message.

Posted by: sandman arriveth II at November 02, 2008 01:34 PM (9hsBl)

99 #92 The large majority of American Jews tend to be from the Reform branch of Judaism, more liberal in theology and social issues etc, so they have tended to vote democratic. Conservative and especially Orthodox Jews tend to vote more GOP. Of course, there are exceptions.

Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 01:35 PM (yQXE2)

100 Thanks Rob. That is a good start.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 01:37 PM (i73Rf)

101 @57 MrsPaulsFishSticks

I hope they don't take down the Christmas event.
"People United to Save Society from Inequitable Economic Status" will be distraught if the "President Obama: Is Redistribution Enough?" symposium is cancelled.

heh heh

Posted by: jadedinga at November 02, 2008 01:37 PM (LJnG/)

102 Wonder where the heck Ace is. I'm getting twitchy with anticipation, so he'd better not come back saying he was passed out drunk on his bathroom floor all day.

Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 01:38 PM (Hjij/)

103

46 - Posted by: Tonawanda at November 02, 2008 05:55 PM

You are ABSOLUTELY correct - not extremist at all. All kidding aside - that is EXACTLY the goal of the people he has surrounded himslef by, and the principles are in at least 1 of the books he has admitted to reading and being motivated by.

Below is a link to a site that explains the Cloward - Piven Strategy. It was developed by a couple of profs in the 60s at Columbia. It's a plan for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. Basically, overburdening the government until it collapses trying to meet the needs of all the social programs and such. Thereby causing chaos and making a window to move in and say - "Oh, my! Capitalism didn't work - now we will do it the socialist way - tut-tut". You ought to read it. I am not a college grad. Only had some college. I had never heard of this, unitl just a few weeks ago. But, it explains a lot. A heckuvalot!

So, yes, IMHO he does hate our country in it's current form - and he IS trying to destroy it. I know that doesn't play well on TV, but, it sure does explain a lot.

http://tinyurl.com/48htvg

Posted by: freetofly at November 02, 2008 01:38 PM (VW0hD)

104 You think maybe Drudge is waiting for monday to put this as a headline, or is that just wishful thinking?

Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 01:39 PM (QwWKI)

105 A med student at Southern Illinois University -Edwardsville, posted here a couple of months ago. She blamed Obama for her power bill shooting up hundreds of dollars a month. I don't remember the exact amount but I do remember it was extremely high. I can't find her comment because the search function to this blog SUCKS.

Posted by: Seattle Sucks! at November 02, 2008 01:40 PM (knw82)

106 Hahahah!
Thank you MrsPaulsFishSticks!

Posted by: Vmaximus at November 02, 2008 01:41 PM (zWV8s)

107 FYI - RedState is back up.

Posted by: Swegin at November 02, 2008 01:41 PM (q0Z3p)

108

You think maybe Drudge is waiting for monday to put this as a headline, or is that just wishful thinking?

That's what I am thinking. A girl can dream.

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:41 PM (2Snaq)

109 "You think maybe Drudge is waiting for monday to put this as a headline, or is that just wishful thinking?"

Wishful thinking. Probably throwing Obama a bone since he is going to lose bad on Tuesday.

Posted by: David at November 02, 2008 01:41 PM (HAdov)

110

" I will say another extremist thing. Obama will encourage and facilitate Jew-hatred and Jew-destruction. Jews are, ironically, the linchpin of Western Civilization. It is dismaying that they willingly contribute to their own eradication. But it is more dismaying that they are the objects of eradication, and what it means for rational thinking."

It's not the jews who should be scared shitless right now, but Africans. Watch Obama's cousin and fellow Luo Odinga and see what he'll do with all the blank checks Washington will write him in an Obam admin. This guy will make Idi Amin look like Lawrence Welk.

Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 01:42 PM (8D9ef)

111 Lawrence Welk?

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 01:46 PM (GNCy6)

112

Did you guys read how obama wants to reshape the agriculture industry. He blames our agriculture policy for global warming, obesity, stroke, heart disease, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/5saulv

Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:46 PM (2Snaq)

113 Wishful thinking. Probably throwing Obama a bone since he is going to lose bad on Tuesday.

Why do you think Obama is going to lose?

Are you the David I know?

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 01:47 PM (GNCy6)

114 And Lawrence Welk was an anti-semite and guess what predominate demographic group lives in Lawrence Welk Village? I've never understood some of my people. Ah onea and a twoa...into the camps we go!

Turn on the bubble machine!

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 01:47 PM (PBGAP)

115 But even conservatives seem kinda "meh" upon hearing it. What the hell?

Just given up on getting people to pay attention.

Posted by: brak at November 02, 2008 01:48 PM (Oiaoh)

116 "Are you the David I know?"

I dunno, have you been following my optimism the past couple of week?

Posted by: David at November 02, 2008 01:50 PM (HAdov)

117 Actually, the methane from Fairy farts really does burn more efficiently than gasoline. The problem is the expense of both catching and then maintaing the fairies is prohibitively high.

Are you kidding? In an Obama administration, fairy production will be subsidized, so they'll be free fairies for all!

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 01:52 PM (bMJ2V)

118 "I dunno, have you been following my optimism the past couple of week?"

Not really, I have mostly read the Times and followed the economic news. Are you a professor?

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 01:52 PM (GNCy6)

119 Seattle sucks..

this is the comment = #73

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 02, 2008 01:53 PM (8lxo4)

120 It's a 'meh' because there's almost no difference between McCain and Obama on the issue, unless McCain's walked back his support of cap-and-trade and I missed it.

Posted by: spamhead at November 02, 2008 01:53 PM (lvTlZ)

121 Just given up on getting people to pay attention.

How about we give up on Wednesday then, eh?

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 01:54 PM (3FVXC)

122 "A med student at Southern Illinois University -Edwardsville, posted here a couple of months ago.
She blamed Obama for her power bill shooting up hundreds of dollars a month. I don't remember the exact amount but I do remember it was extremely high."

Posted by: Seattle Sucks! at November 02, 2008 06:40 PM

He is part of the blame - and this ad firm they have lots of support through was hired to "astroturf" the citizens telling them this yarn, that in essence if they didn't vote for higher electric rates (I think), they would run out of electricty. So, they voted it in. It was a lie. I know I'm leaving terrible memory holes in this. but it was something like that. The ad firm was the same firm that the son of the owner made a Youtube vid about bashing Sarah Palin, then took it down when he was exposed...

Posted by: freetofly at November 02, 2008 01:54 PM (VW0hD)

123 "Why do you think Obama is going to lose?"

If you reweigh polls from the internals to a more realistic geographic and partisan model according to early voting and 2004/2006 models (even giving D's an extra point or two) it looks real bleak for Obama.

That -3 McCain poll is actually great news for McCain if you look at the internals. NoVa is 50% of the vote(~32 of registered voters) and all the remaining undecideds are in McCains demo. If you look at the Ras PA poll, it had Mac ahead double digits in independents. No way Obama comes close if that is the case.

Posted by: David at November 02, 2008 01:56 PM (HAdov)

124 Is anyone go to post a link to SNL's skewering of Olbermann? It's over on Hulu

It's embedded over at the LGF main page. It's almost 9 minutes in length, which means that it's about 7 minutes too long. Good Olbermann impression, though.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 01:57 PM (bMJ2V)

125 Tonowanda, he will not encourage 'Jew-hatred'. Doesn't fit his M.O. He will, instead, do nothing. He's made a career out of it, after all. By a delightful coincidence, this fits in perfectly with other people's plans for Israel.

Posted by: seyont at November 02, 2008 02:01 PM (FcR7P)

126 "If you reweigh polls from the internals..."

Oh. I usually just look at real clear politics. So you are not a professor?

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 02:02 PM (GNCy6)

127 HEY ACE AND STAFF!!!

THIS GEM SHOULD BE FRONT PAGE NEWS ON DRUDGE AND ALL OVER. THIS SHOULD HAVE MORE BEARING THAN THE COAL REVELATION, NOT TO SAY THAT BANKRUPTING COAL INDUSTRY ISN'T WORTH A FLAMING SKULL OR A RED SIREN.
BUT PEOPLE, WHO ARE STILL ABSTAINING FROM OBAMA KOOL-AID, ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO HIGHER ENERGY PRICES WHICH IS A DIRECT HIT ON THEIR WALLET.
THAT MESSAGE OF HIGHER ENERGY PRICES, FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH, WHICH WILL SQUEEZE THEIR DISPOSABLE INCOME, WILL HAVE FAR MORE REPERCUSSIONS THAN HIM ADMITTING TO BANKRUPTING "BIG EVIL" COAL CORPORATIONS. SINCE, IN THEIR SADISTIC JUSTIFICATION AND IN THE PRETENSE OF EXACTING REVENGE FOR THEIR PERCEIVED MISERY, THEY MIGHT IGNORE OR SURPRISINGLY BUT SADLY WISH FOR THE ILL-EFFECTS ON THE COAL INDUSTRY.

THIS DAMAGING REVELATION OF " Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" SHOULD BE PUSHED MORE ON THE DRUDGE AND ALL THE BLOGS. FLOOD THE DRUDGE WITH THIS GIFT HANDED TO CONCERNED CITIZENS FROM THE "MESSIAH".

SINCERELY,
CAPITALIST PIG MIGRATED FROM A SOCIALIST STY.

Posted by: MANUSAINI at November 02, 2008 02:02 PM (1irE1)

128 Anyway, people should notice that all the true believers in these fabulous yet-to-be-invented energy schemes are usually liberal arts majors. They never took any serious math, know nothing about chemistry, don't know what entropy means--much less why it matters, have never even installed an electrical outlet, and don't have the slightest idea what Ohm's law (or any other natural law for that matter) means.

Obama is willing to bet your entire future on somebody making an invention that he can't understand. Expect a Soviet-style purge if we can't somehow satisfy the wishful thinking of Teh One.

Obama's a smart man, everybody says so. He'll just appoint judges to repeal the laws of thermodynamics.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 02, 2008 02:02 PM (GlrN/)

129 I just can't stand it anymore. A socialist is about to be crowned President by our blowjob media. He is talking about raising taxes, raising the cost of electricity and now we hear about a special civilian security force that he want to set up that will have the same powers as our military. All of this during a recession, which will only make things worse. But the worse things get the more excuse they will have to nationalize industries and take more power from the average person. I am not extremist, I am a rational middle of the road conservative but the writing really appears like its on the wall here. As a person with a great interest in the study of history I now truely understand how a republic can become a dictatorship. We should all be afraid.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 02, 2008 02:05 PM (kh+04)

130 I don't know if this had already been posted but I picked it up at IMAO. Of the top 15 coal-producing states, Obama leads the polls in 6 of them, for a total of 89 electoral votes: Wyoming (338,900) West Virginia (158,257) Kentucky (130,68

*Pennsylvania (74,619) Texas (49,49

Montana (38,352) *Illinois (33,444) *Virginia (32,834) North Dakota (31,270) *Colorado (29,137) Indiana (27,965) *New Mexico (27,323) Utah (26,656) *Ohio (22,269) Alabama (19,324)

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 02:06 PM (e2mBS)

131 Do yuo think this is a better clip than the one above. It was at LGF: http://tinylink.com/?0y19nNn99G

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 02:12 PM (e2mBS)

132 leads the dem overweighted fantasy polls?

Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 02:12 PM (yQXE2)

133

i wanna go to galt's gulch

i'll sweep floors, dig ditches, whatever

obamaland is gonna suck so fucken bad it's gonna be like a bad fucken dream that never ends

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2008 02:17 PM (KOkrW)

134 Ginger -- the Tribune endorsed Obama several weeks ago... FYI. I couldn't believe it as the paper is much more conservative than the Sun Times.

Posted by: Sassypants at November 02, 2008 02:20 PM (l6YL2)

135 hilarious music video up at powerlineblog.com to lighten the mood a bit. 'spread your wealth around' sung to 'turn your love around' melody.

Posted by: seyont at November 02, 2008 02:22 PM (FcR7P)

136 http://tinyurl.com/2ylj4u

I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 02, 2008 02:27 PM (1V2sa)

137 I have a left-wing friend who basically makes the same argument about energy prices that Obama made. He's kind of like hopey changeness in that he's an insular Manhattan-raised Ivy Leaguer and directs TV commercials, which means he works about 25% of the year and spends the rest of his days playing the pseudo-intellectual jackoff.

When I'd had enough I emailed to him, "instead of trying to completely fuck up our standard of living, economy and way of life why don't you "enlightened" fascists put your money where your mouths are and dedicate your time and money to investing in the development of alternatives? You're always telling me that all the smart people are liberals ... the people of science. Well why don't you match up all your brilliant scientists with all the fuckwits who waste all their time and money on buying power and influence in order to tell everyone else how to live and do something useful? Fund startups for left-wing Einsteins, and then when they show promise and go public you can all get rich. That's how America works. Millions of people did not risk their lives crossing the Atlantic for free healthcare and to be told they're morons for believing in God or anything else. They came for the chance to succeed or fail on their own terms. And hearing the prattle you spew is especially ridiculous coming from someone who has grown affluent by shooting TV commercials. If the free market is evil then you are Satan himself. Do you not get that? The cognitive disssonance is bewildering. So seriously, be a part of solving the problem or spare me your moral posturing."

He reponded that he'd never really thought about that. Then I think he went back to making a "no blood for oil sign."

Posted by: HipsterCon at November 02, 2008 02:29 PM (FWI/i)

138 juggernaut ... er ...uh ... not getting it

Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 02:33 PM (yQXE2)

139

11 Actually, the methane from Fairy farts really does burn more efficiently than gasoline. The problem is the expense of both catching and then maintaing the fairies is prohibitively high.

You get more jewels from Unicorn farts but they don't smell as good.

Posted by: Javems at November 02, 2008 02:37 PM (/IQA9)

140 I agree that this story is a bigger deal, or rather that it will impact voters, more than the coal story.

They'll spin the coal quote a million ways. Pleas to environmentalism and global warming, etc. Evil "big coal". You all know the spin.

But the electricity quote goes straight to their pocketbook. It puts the libs totally on the defensive. And the severity of the word he chose - "skyrocket" - is damning as hell.

I personally vote to remove the skull from the coal quote and put it on this one. The focus should go here.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 02:46 PM (3FVXC)

141 "I dunno, have you been following my optimism the past couple of week?"

I was asking because I just started reading Atlas Shrugged. I know you.

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 03:00 PM (GNCy6)

142 119 Seattle sucks.. this is the comment = #73 Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 02, 2008 06:53 PM (8lxo4) Thank you. Can you tell me how you went about searching for it?

Posted by: Seattle Sucks! at November 02, 2008 03:11 PM (knw82)

143 Who is John Galt?

The question soon to be on many lips.

Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2008 03:15 PM (HrWR4)

144

DRUDGE: Official calls comments 'Unbelievable'

At least one state coal industry leader said he was shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.

The link at Drudge takes you to a server that is currently overwhelmed.

Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 03:17 PM (P3ErD)

145 #144 ditto

Anyone already read it before the problem posting?

Posted by: maverick muse at November 02, 2008 03:44 PM (F1b/5)

146

dude, I hate co-opting teh skull.

I'm just a moron co-blogger. If ace wants to take it and run with it, his flaming skull commentary will be well worth the wait.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 02, 2008 03:46 PM (eiOZw)

147

You can read it here: http://tinyurl.com/6nvza5

Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 03:47 PM (P3ErD)

148 David,

Do you teach a Tuesday/Thursday class?

Posted by: Mike at November 02, 2008 03:50 PM (GNCy6)

149 Hey world, if you have any old comments from a user named "bleh" will you please email it to

blehbleh4765@live.com

I need to patch things together and go to therapy.

Posted by: ? at November 02, 2008 04:24 PM (GNCy6)

150 Mesablue said it all:

"This is the first presidential candidate that has actually promised to destroy the country."

Obama was to make it impossible to build new coal fired plants, and wants to charge existing plants for every ounce of carbon they emit.

So if you want to use electricity in your home, office or factory you can, but it will bankrupt you.

I hope all of you will send a message to the Drudge tip line ( right hand side...towards the bottom) and let him know that this is actually important news.

Posted by: The Haimster at November 02, 2008 04:29 PM (hb2qF)

151 Has this jug-eared F'ing moron ever so much as run a lemonade stand? And he thinks he is so much smarter than the rest of us. We can only vote and hope that Tuesday night sees him knocked on his arrogant skinny ass!

Posted by: Len - KC at November 02, 2008 04:47 PM (ttyWY)

152 HEY ACE AND STAFF!!!

THIS GEM SHOULD BE FRONT PAGE NEWS ON DRUDGE AND ALL OVER. THIS SHOULD HAVE MORE BEARING THAN THE COAL REVELATION, NOT TO SAY THAT BANKRUPTING COAL INDUSTRY ISN'T WORTH A FLAMING SKULL OR A RED SIREN.
BUT PEOPLE, WHO ARE STILL ABSTAINING FROM OBAMA KOOL-AID, ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO HIGHER ENERGY PRICES WHICH IS A DIRECT HIT ON THEIR WALLET.
THAT MESSAGE OF HIGHER ENERGY PRICES, FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH, WHICH WILL SQUEEZE THEIR DISPOSABLE INCOME, WILL HAVE FAR MORE REPERCUSSIONS THAN HIM ADMITTING TO BANKRUPTING "BIG EVIL" COAL CORPORATIONS. SINCE, IN THEIR SADISTIC JUSTIFICATION AND IN THE PRETENSE OF EXACTING REVENGE FOR THEIR PERCEIVED MISERY, THEY MIGHT IGNORE OR SURPRISINGLY BUT SADLY WISH FOR THE ILL-EFFECTS ON THE COAL INDUSTRY.

THIS DAMAGING REVELATION OF " Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" SHOULD BE PUSHED MORE ON THE DRUDGE AND ALL THE BLOGS. FLOOD THE DRUDGE WITH THIS GIFT HANDED TO CONCERNED CITIZENS FROM THE "MESSIAH".

SINCERELY,
CAPITALIST PIG MIGRATED FROM A SOCIALIST STY.

Posted by: MANUSAINI at November 02, 2008 04:51 PM (IeCef)

153 I'm with #139, Drew. I just about can't stand it anymore. When they first came up with Obama, I thought, hey, I might vote for him.

Then I discovered so many things - in fact, there wasn't ONE thing he said or stood for that was good.

I'm in complete disbelief at whatever has completely taken over the MSM, and how anyone could possibly look at all this stuff and still vote for the guy.

I understand he might have strong-armed quite a few people, but this many? Or are people just totally uninformed? Or are they frightened? Of what might happen to them if they don't get with the program?

It's like a nightmare, that slipped upon us before we even noticed.

Posted by: Alana at November 02, 2008 05:30 PM (JE2zV)

154 Ginger is still not funny,and only becomes more of a fuckwit,Jesus was the original libertarian you turnip.

Posted by: twat at November 02, 2008 05:41 PM (H1t5a)

155 Since the leadership of the UMWA (union) have already sold out the Hussein I can hear their head exploding, as a 30-06 slug fired by a coal miner hits home. As a young child I sat on the railroad tracks, holding an American flag, to prevent coal cars from loading during strikes. The easiest or fastest way to lose your life was to cross a union picket line. Like they say, 'you never hear the shot that kills you' and the old time miners could shoot a squirrel's eye out. I suspect their offspring still working in the mines can shoot as well. I"d walk across the street if I saw one of the AH UMWA leaders coming to avoid the possibility of a stray shot.

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 02, 2008 05:55 PM (XWJh5)

156 I hope they don't take down the Christmas event.
"People United to Save Society from Inequitable Economic Status" will be distraught if the "President Obama: Is Redistribution Enough?" symposium is cancelled.

heh heh

You know, I'm thinking that this sort of political guerrilla warfare should be a larger part of our anti-socialist struggle. Sure, we were just getting the silly out a couple of days ago, but there's a serious variant that we can use. Not just for their silly little unmoderated calendars, it would work for your local area's bulletin boards (there are several public bulletin boards in town that I'm thinking about. They're on the main drag in the busiest part of town). It could include things such as:

Diluting known demonstrations by posting alternative demonstrations at the same time but at different locations/times. Divide their manpower.

Announce demonstrations, lectures or classes in unsuspecting locations. Preferably locations where one must gain permission first. It'd work better if the sponsoring organization was a real activist group. Let THEM explain why they didn't get permission before running a lecture at the public library.

Post multiple fake demonstrations/lectures/classes, with wildly divergent topics, but have all the contact info go to your favorite local activist organization. Overload the phone lines/staff.

Announce local lectures by semi-famous people, sponsored again by your favorite local activist group. Sit back and enjoy the hijinks when the speaker doesn't show up.

Sponsor dissention between activist groups. Think "Yojimbo" or "A Fistful Of Dollars".

I'm sure that the moron army can come up with some even better ideas.

No matter who wins the election, I think I have a mission for this year.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 02, 2008 06:01 PM (wjZW+)

157 Thank you IllTemperedCur. You are a mad genius.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at November 02, 2008 06:15 PM (PBGAP)

158 #57, I blame myself. After a couple days of "Lesbians and Transgenders for Palin" and "The Freestyle Poetry of Spurwing Plover", I was feeling cocky on SeattleActivism and posted "Network Security For Potheaded Leftists" and suggested that somebody be nominated to put down the bong and actually administrate a calendar.

That might have been blatant enough that they noticed.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 02, 2008 06:40 PM (vfDxP)

159 SGT Dan, don't worry about it. I saw that net security entry and laughed my ass off.

If memory serves, during last year's Olympia follies, one of the other morons posted a similar entry, "realize that sarcastic right-wingers have taken over your calendar". Or something like that.

Just remember everybody, there are LOTS of these unmoderated calendars out there in multiple cities/states. I was surprised to see how many after I did some minimal web searches.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 02, 2008 06:49 PM (wjZW+)

160 hey spam- no MACs plan is not the same as Obummer's. Obummer is pushing a 100% auction format for all cap/trades on all emissions

MAC has certain waivers in place for plants until we have technology to get a reduced % of our electricity from coal,

right now we get 40% from coal dude..

MAC also has serious tax credit for coal producers to get over the hump of his cap/trade implementation, Obummer does not, Obummer wants higher prices

MACs plan is to do all of the above and allow our main sources to be expanded to serve as a bridge to new technology, you know the way you do when you make progress..

you dont force it by collapsing the middle clas and sending inflation skyrocketing up tio levels that cause food riots

you know the wives of Paris storming the Bastille when they couldnt afford bread? that sort of thing

ya dig?

Posted by: ginaswo at November 02, 2008 06:55 PM (avHNs)

161 ginaswo,

All that was McCain's old plan anyway. He ditched it when conservatives went apeshit on it for him. His most recent energy proposal/plan, the Lexington Project, doesn't include one word about cap and trade.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 07:59 PM (3FVXC)

162 #160, Well, I'm hoping that the new new plan is: Have the Veep essentially be the Energy Czarina. Kick butt, take names, nuke blend, drill everything.

Posted by: Al at November 02, 2008 09:30 PM (Lk931)

163 Here's a Photoshop I made - http://flickr.com/photos/32035313@N04/2998056999/ - based on this story - http://www.amusedcynic.com/wordpress/?p=243. Someone Open Blog this if it's worthy.

Posted by: Josh at November 02, 2008 10:44 PM (zvwul)

164 46 I will be an extremist here. Anybody who thinks this has any thing to do other than with the destruction of the American economy, is too charitable in assessing the motives of islamo-marxists. Obama is so, so mundane and superficial in his pov, but no less uncertain. The destruction of this country and Western Civilization is his goal, the goal of every islamo-marxist.

Posted by: Tonawanda at November 02, 2008 05:55 PM (IA49+)

Exactly. I've begun believing more and more that the whole "environmental movement" is nothing more than yet another method of attacking the corporation as the most prominent bastion of individual freedom and power against government. The entire starting premise - that corporations are environmental wrongdoers - is so fucking ridiculously false it's incredible. Case in point, environmental conditions in East and West Germany; which one was a free market system? Environmental conditions in India and China, or China vs. America or the rest of the west, Russia itself is still an environmental disaster; and don't forget where Chernobyl happened. In every single instance it's demonstrable that free markets where corporations are the primary economic arbiters, rather than bureaucrats and governments, environmental standards are so much better that it's not even a comparison.

And yet, corporations, free markets and capitalism are somehow synonymous with environmental irresponsibility. Hm wonder why that is.. And it begs the question of whether the entire thing was ever an actual coordinated strategy, being as how the enviro-moonbat alliance began in the 60s, in the American "peace" movement and broader left, where infiltration by socialists was quite widespread. Or is the whole thing just another mass delusion off the international left, egged on by charismatic types who likely convince themselves that the delusion is reality and is a greater calling, and the general destructiveness and irresponsibility of the entirety of the libtarded douchehole lefties?

Posted by: DJ Douche at November 03, 2008 07:42 PM (QKrrS)

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