1 The man is totally insane.

2 No John, you lost because you failed to challenge O'Bambi on the issues.  We waited for your true conservatism to emerge, but you failed to rise to the occasion.  Fuck you Senator McCain.  Over. 

3 I'm glad he's taking the lessons of the last election to heart.  I think he's learned his lesson and should run again in '12.  I also think bugs bugs bugs

4

WTF?

I want my $2300 back, lying asshole.

Kemp

5 Senator, this is no way to try to insure a steady supply for your peyote habit.
Give us all a break and go to TJ like everybody else.

6 McCain is batshit, monkey-humping crazy.

7 What you do is get somebody to run against him in 2010 and support that person as best you can.  In the interim he should be told respectfully why he is so full of crap by his colleagues and ridiculed merciless by Coulter.

8 Az needs a challanger in the 12 election who is a real conservative.

9

merciless = mercilessly (adverb)

10

He thinks he could have won by being more liberal and getting more liberal votes.

And yet, he keeps using the word "Republican" to describe himself. I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.

11 Idiot.  I'm not sorry this guy isn't President.  Seriously...

12 I am so glad I didn't vote for him. I don't feel dirty.

13
Yeah.  That's right.  Dante's Dip Cone behind the couch.  Now someone give my nasties a sponge bath.  Stat.

14

I don't feel dirty for voting for McCain at all because I voted for the people McCain would have put into his administration and the judges he would appoint and not McCain.  I would not have to worry about Panetta as head of the CIA or Clinton as SOS or Holder as AG.  God help us on who will be appointed to the SC. 

Having said that, I will donate heavily to any Republican opponent of McCain if he is able to run for his seat in 2010.  Based on his latest statments I'm thinking he may not be mentally fit to run for reelection.

15 Hey, I didn't vote for McCain either.  I voted for Palin.

16 (sitting in a steaming shit filled diaper, smiling) Anybody wanna play checkers, I just wanna play some checkers.  John, you dumpster of cum STFU!

17 6 McCain is batshit, monkey-humping crazy.

So true . . .

18 Listen dumbass, you lost because you have been "reaching out" to Democrats against the wishes of your base for years, and when you needed to stop that shit and get serious about beating the Democrats, you didn't.

19 John McCain? Who's John McCain?

20

  ...and before someone gets all pissy about it, NO, Senator McCain didn't say that we lost the "illegal vote" because of the right-wing of the party.  He said that we lost the "Hispanic vote" because of some of the Party having a spine on illegal immigration.  I'm so fucking tired of simpleminded fucktards like McCain and Graham trying to convince us that "illegals = Hispanics" when we're talking about this issue.  They're two different demographic groups.  The only people in this debate who think the two groups have the same interests here are the ones who want to give every ILLEGAL immigrant his own personal "Skittles-shitting Chupacabra".

  Legal Hispanic immigrants and native-born Hispanics should have no mercy to those who can't be bothered to wait in line and do things the right way, but the Media and our Senatorial RINO Think-tank Members seem to think that racial groupthink trumps the law of the land.

 

(corrected to show that I'm talking about ILLEGAL immigrants getting a "Skittles-shitting Chupacabra" from the Gub'mint. Native born Hispanics can just go buy their own.)

21 You're all wrong. McCain lost because he was running against God. Kismet, bitches.

22 We nominated this asshole.

Mccain was pretty fucking clear about who he is, and we nominated the Maverick anyway.

Our mistake.  I mean, I didn't vote for him in the primary, but the GOP did.

I see no reason to hate on this asshole.  Yeah, he's an idiot, and yeah, he easily would have won if he had talked about the CRP and Rev Wright.  But that's just who this guy is...  

He's also an expert at staying in the news... and he knows this routine about why he lost will really be the ticket for 4 years.  I half expect him to be on MSNBC when he retires from the Senate.

I'm good about picking up hair wads on the drain grate

23

I'm already regretting the $3.50 I gave to Country First yesterday.  And the $400,000 I gave to that woman in Oregon for her Nigerian friend.

But mostly the $3.50 I gave to Country First.

I really need to be less trusting.

24

Russ from Winterset at January 08, 2009 03:10 PM (dyz/7)

I don't agree with McCain's overall view but unfortunately a majority of those legal Hispanics think that Republicans view illegal aliens and legal Hispanics the same.  That's not really our fault because we haven't learned yet how to be the MSM propaganda machine.

25 No Senator, you lost because you ARE JOHN MCCAIN!!!  Not once did you pounce on Obama.  You were horrible in the debates.  There were some many opportunities to slam Obama in the debates and yet you never did.  I pulled my hair out with ready responses during those debates that somehow never escaped your lips.  Probably because you don't know jack!  You lost because you don't know shit about the economy.

26 The man cannot even successfully revise the history of his campaign now, much less run one.

Go away, Maverick. We know you're now running for Senate again and need to pander to the illegal alien constituency of Arizona (again) post haste, but don't try foisting another comprehensive POS on us to help you keep your job.

27 The election was screwed when McCain got nominated, and I invite the GOP to explain how democrats and independents will not participate in the process in 2012.

28 Thanks New Hampshire for keeping McCain alive until Florida.  Thanks Florida for fucking it all up.

29 polynikes, if McCain had made "convincing legal Hispanics that Republicans are concerned about ILLEGAL immigration" the focus of his outreach, I'd have applauded the guy.  He lost me because his idea of outreach to legal Hispanics is "convince them that we're willing to put up with an unchecked flow of illegals because we're afraid that all the LEGAL immigrants and Hispanics will think we're racist".

30 explain how democrats and independents will not participate in the process in 2012.

That's the fucking nail on the head right there.

How do we prevent another one of these disastrous nominations?  The GOP needs to do something smart... like having Texas, Florida, and goddamn Michigan have the first day of primaries.

31 Yeah, John, I got your Country First donation right here.

32 What really pisses me off is that McCain gives Naval Aviators a bad name!!

33 Can we PLEASE start treating McCain like we treat Andrew Sullivan and just pretend he doesn't exist?

34 It's all been said here and elsewhere.  Now, he's just a confused old man who needs to bow out.

35 I think we should just file McCain in the "Famous squids who need to shut the fuck up".  Filed right after Duke Cunningham, Tom Harkin and Jimmy Carter.  I'd put Murtha in there too but he would fall under the Jarhead column although it is Department of the Navy.

36

Russ from Winterset at January 08, 2009 03:27 PM (dyz/7)

You're preaching to the choir there Mr. Winerset.  I should have added in my post that John McCain is also an esteem and accepted member of the MSM propaganda machine (except at opportune times against an a more privileged membered opponent.)

37

Swing and a miss, McStain.

We lost because you ran a possibly the most lethargic and uninspired campaign in U.S. history.

Nice try, Slapnuts.

38

He lost me because his idea of outreach to legal Hispanics is "convince them that we're willing to put up with an unchecked flow of illegals because we're afraid that all the LEGAL immigrants and Hispanics will think we're racist".

 

And that was always a blatant crock of course. The people McClown and others were pandering to were never Hispanics, it was always the Chamber of Commerce Republicans. There's never been the slightest indication that the votes of legal Hispanic citizens hinge on the question of illegal immigration. Pretending to care about "Gods children" was just a way of putting a nicer spin on corporatist policies.

 

39

eF John McCain..

i can say that once a day right?

40 8 Az needs a challanger in the 12 election who is a real conservative.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2009 

Amen to that

41

I don't agree with McCain's overall view but unfortunately a majority of those legal Hispanics think that Republicans view illegal aliens and legal Hispanics the same.

I don't think legal Hispanics give a rats ass about this topic. To the extent that they do think the GOP is racist, it's because scum like McCain and Graham keep telling them that.

42 If Vic got his wish and a conservative ran in Arizona in 2012, I would absolutely send him the same amount of money I donated the day Palin was selected.

43

Az needs a challanger in the 12 election who is a real conservative

A middle-of-the-road liberal Democrat would be an improvment over the this fucking Ted Kennedy clone. And I mean that literally. The Senate would be a lot more conservative with another Dorgan in it than with McCain.

 

44 McCain you lost because you acted like a Congressman and Obama acted presidential.  Americans think times are tough and want a leader.  You did not portray yourself as one and Obama did.

"They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand." - A brilliant quote from a unbrilliant liberal movie.

Of all the policy excuses and media biases, it really just comes down to this.  I hope the American people like the taste of sand.

45 Why doesn't he just run for President of Mexico. What a fucking joke.

46 Aww man, once a loser, always a loser.

47 Every time the RINO opens his collaborator trap I remember anew why I voted for Baldwin.

48 Juan Amnesty McVain was just George Soros' default candidate, and he was never meant to win, which is why the Old Gray Whore loved him so much...until the nomination was done.

49

It is really telling that this supposed Republican leader has no clue as to why he really lost.

Obama showed that this country does not have to be 52 percent Communist for him to win the election. Although he ran from the far left, not everyone that voted for him were hard core leftists. Most were just stupid. If you want to win an election in the USA, you have to give people a reason to want to vote for you. In Obama's case it was that he was young, black, and cool. People did not care about his policy, because he never said what it was.

The current Republican Party has no clue what its message should be. Notice I did not say "is" because they currently do not have a message. You would think that they would have figured out by now who they should be.

I just realized I am speaking about Republicans in the third person. That should scare the pants off of the Republicans because I am a registered Republican. Translation: I do not feel like the Republican Party reflects my values.

50 "Thanks New Hampshire for keeping McCain alive until Florida.  Thanks Florida for fucking it all up."

What can I say, we see zombies our instincts is to aim for the head. Zombies are bad for the tourist industry.

Seriously, I think it's time McCain... retired. Or just joined the Democratic party. I mean, he's always "reaching out" to them, and you know what the next step after that is. That's right -- a big, firm bear hug. And then -- dancing to rock and roll records. And then -- drinking beer! And then, when you're good and drunk from the cheap beer they make you sign something in your own blood, and you wake up in bed the next morning next to an ugly transvestite and find a paper on your pillow stating that you are now a Democrat, they own you, because they have "the photos."

51

My friends....oops wrong speech.

After what his own campaign did to Gov. Palin during and after the election, is McCain had any sense he would retire, go back to Arizona and devote some time to his family...

52 Hmmm.

...

I'd like to find out how much money this new website of his brings in.

53 McCain never figured out he was running for President, not for a "Heroic Senators" popularity contest.  Both the Presidential candidates were strictly ego-powered, but the other side had a younger egotist... and having the national media in his pocket didn't hurt either.

54 This nation wasnt founded by hispanics it was founded by white europeans tired of religous persicution so tell MEXICO to SCREW IT

55

That is not fair to describe McCain in those terms "crapping behind the couch". I read you guys almost every day and I enjoy this blog so I respectfully suggest that you change the wording of this posting.

 

 

56

 

I like paste.

 

 

57 The Republican share of the legal Hispanic vote dropped from approximately 44% in 2004 to 22% in 2008. It certainly wasn't the only reason we lost, but it was one of them. Logically, that cost us CO, NM, and FL at the presidential level, although I'm not sure there was much impact at the Congressional level.

Regarding Flenser's comment @41, I respectfully disagree. I know some legal Hispanics, and they were pretty much hopping mad over the comments that they heard that conflated legal and illegal immigrants in a fairly blatant fashion. Arguments along the lines of "they don't want to assimilate", "all they come here for is welfare", "their culture is crime-ridden", "they come from socialist countries and that's how they all vote here", etc. etc. And a couple of sites that I (used to) frequent had some long-time regular commenters (i.e. not trolls) who indulged in some actual racial epithet-slinging. Not good. Certainly enough embers for Democrats to fan (successfully) into flames of resentment which translated into tangible results at the ballot box.

For the record, I support border enforcement, and I still vote a straight Republican ticket. However, I believe that we run the risk of becoming a Southern regional party only unless we acknowledge that Comprehensive Immigration Reform does not automatically mean Amnesty, and that Hispanics can be as viably integrated into American society as have been the Irish, Germans, and Eastern Europeans before them.

Otherwise they will join African-Americans as a permanent part of the Democratic coalition. And you can't win elections by starting with 25% of the electorate voting against you overwhelmingly.

My opinion, FWIW. YMMV.

58 AJ Lynch is right! Juan A. McVain isn't even bothering to to go behind the couch, he looks for the nearest conservatives shoe at every conceivable opportunity.

59 That may not be the cause of the loss, but he did get a lower percentage of Hispanics than Bush. We can't keep this trend up, or we'll not only kissoff NM, CO, etc, permanently, we might even lose TX someday. Maybe it was just Obama's giant coattails, I don't know, but I'm seeing alarming political trends where I live in TX, and these are citizens voting, not illegals. My county, which is majority Hispanic, went for Bush in '04, but for Obama this time. Maybe that's not a good gauge, since a lot of the rich Anglos and the Yankee immigrants (we should build a fence!) went for Obama, too, but it sure got my attention.

I don't know what it takes to "reach out" to Hispanic voters, but it seems to me like we should look into trying to get more of them voting Republican.

60

Gotta go with HT on that. I wonder if there's any chance we'll see reasoned disagreement.

McCain was a shit candidate, though, and lost because of his lousy campaign.

61 It's official: Barack Obama 365 electoral votes - John McCain 173

62

That is not fair to describe McCain in those terms "crapping behind the couch". I read you guys almost every day and I enjoy this blog so I respectfully suggest that you change the wording of this posting.

 Posted by: AJ Lynch at January 08, 2009 04:32 PM

 

 Well, AJ, here's the thing:

  You can put the changes brought about by your "suggestions" in one hand and take a shit in your other hand, and I'm pretty sure that the hand that smells bad is going to fill up first.

63

Gotta go with HT on that. I wonder if there's any chance we'll see reasoned disagreement.

I also agree with HT and there is no chance we will see reasoned disagreement.

64  One thing that the typical conservative (blogger) needs to get beyond is dealing with political and media spin. 

  McCain's apparent clueless election statement has nothing to do with the election.  He's just trying to spin himself into being part of the upcoming immigration shamnesty fiasco. 

  However, with the Dem's only a vote or so shy of 60, the PRESSSSident and Dem's may just ignore McCain as they are sure to find some other weak minded RINOs willing to play their shamnesty game who also doesn't suck up too much Dem face time on the tube.

65 As HT says, 22% is not sustainable.

The gal that cuts my hair is a legal resident from Mexico, married to an Aggie.  The day after the election, while coloring my roots, she gave me a long lecture in heavily accented English on what makes America work, and just how badly Obama sucks. She loves Palin, and she knows more about how the economy, national security, etc, then probably 70% of US citizens. She's going for her citizenship so she can vote against Obama in 2012.

If we could import more like her, Tushar, etc, and kick out a bunch of our natural born idiots, we'd be in great shape.

66 RINOs, open your planners & make notations accordingly....less focus on "bipartisanship" and more on "pandering to Hispanics." Yeah! Man, do I have a headache. McCain is fodder, if nothing else. The only thing that keeps me from actually laughing is that most of the elected so-called Republicans are probably nodding their heads in agreement. Can't anyone actually say it?? We lost because conservative values and ideals were not adhered to, talked about and explained. My Obamaphobia is the only reason I even gave $ to this dope. Well, that and Sarah.....

67 McCain probably exceeded his own abilities which were not very great to begin with and as we all know, he did not run a very good national campaign. 

Maybe McCain was competent enought to run for a Senate-seat without losing badly, but his national campaign sucked. McCain just doesn't realize that hewas that bad a candidate, but everyone in America knows he is a lousy pol.

McCain was a lousy public speaker, an even worse debater, and had terrible speech-writers (or rewrote his own speeches to make them worse) and lousy campaign strategists (unless he overrode theur advice, which is very likely).

Running against a younger, media-savvy, well-funded oponent, McCain looked old and tired, incredibly "square", and he just didn't have any sparkle.  Nothing about him made you want to really get excited about having him in the White House, other than the fact that he was the lesser of two evils and could save us from bad judicial picks.

Frankly McCain drove everyone who tried to like him insane with his never ending talk of "earmarks" and "mavericks,"  by addressing everyone as "my friends," by playing up to Democrats, defending Obama at every turn, and by slamming his fellow Republicans/Conservatives repeatedly.  All of that behaviour made even his supporters dislike him intensely.

McCain was a lousy pol.  His instincts were all wrong about what would win over the American voters. It is shocking that he did as well as he did.  I think lots of Republicans stayed home just to let a Dem finally get in the White House to give them a chance to fall on their face.

But think about it -- we were stuck with McCain because no one else really wanted the job bad enough -- or had the proper support or funding.  And many  of the rest of the Republican candidates were old and tired-looking, too.


Many Republican  didn't like Romney's religion and many conservatives didn't think Huckabee or Romney were conservative enough. Rudy and Fred were popular figures, but they both dragged their feet and sabotaged their own chances by jumping in too late and then only half-heartedly.  Republicans couldn't agree on which candidates were conservative enough, or members of the "right religion" -- and this is what adversely affected the primaries By default, McCain had a well-known name and so he just out-lasted the others, while the others all split the votes amongst themselves.  So in the end, Republicans couldn't agree this year on a candidate that they would all be willing to back, and so a "second-rate" candidate prevailed.

I think Ann Coulter had it right when she compared McCain to Bob Dole. I didn't agree at the time, but now I see that she was right.... McCain is an old quasi-conservative who wanted to be loved by everyone -- and who was never really willing to really fight -- despite his rhetoric to the contrary. 

Obama has a lot of faults, but he was well-funded (if illegally) and had backers who were ruthless enough to fight anyway they could for him. Then with many Americans being weary of Bush (who practically disappeared for the past 4 years and  never explained or defended his positions), many Independents just gave up and  wanted to vote for someone other than a Republican this year. With the economy tanking badly just before the election and McCain "suspending his campaign" looking like a fool, how could the '08 Election have gone any other way?  .

Actually, it is surprising that Obama didn't win with a landslide...he had every advantage.  I guess that shows that he didn't fool everyone.

All is not lost...the worm will turn again....

68

That may not be the cause of the loss, but he did get a lower percentage of Hispanics than Bush.

He got a lower percentage of everyone than Bush did, but I don't see anyone obsessing over why he dropped voted share among the rich.

I don't know what it takes to "reach out" to Hispanic voters, but it seems to me like we should look into trying to get more of them voting Republican.

I don't understand why so many people are in the dark about this. There are plenty of polls answering this question. Hispanics vote Dem for the same reason all poor people vote Dem - because the Dems are the party that gives lots of taxpayer goodies to the poor. If the GOP wants the Hispanic vote it will need to do the same thing. Spending a lot more money on education and bringing in nationalized health care, for instance. Any takers?

69 Well, Stace, if I'm a LEGAL Hispanic American and I see my taxes, my emergency services, my school money, my social security going to ILLEGAL drug-smuggling illiterate, peon, banditos from the low-life country I left 'cause it was such a toilet, being given away openly by Juan A McVain I'm going to vote against him too.

70 A J Lynch, you're right that it's uncouth to call Mccain and old man, especially when many got mad when the dems did it.

Especially since Mccain really fucking loves this country and did so much for it.

But Fuck Mccain Anyway.  He got nominated by the GOP.  He is really fucking rich.  He has had movies and books written about him.  He is not a pity case, and he got his measure of gratitude in a way no other veteran I know ever did.

So fuck grampa Mccain, the backstabbing SOB.

71 My "McCain Derangement Syndrome" is looking less deranged every time Landslide opens his mouth.

VINDACASHUN: I HAS IT!

72

he's gotta go with "we pissed off our illegal immigrant base"?

To be fair, the illegal immigrant vote did go almost 100% for Obama. (Or 123% if you include multiple voting by illegals.)

73

Um, just a reminder....  it was looking like Huckabee for quite a while there.

That was the alternative.

74 Huckabee

GROAN

Why am I even a Republican, anyway?

75

Flenser in #68 has it right and HT, although I respect him, has it wrong. If Republicans want to win, they had better stop importing an underclass predisposed to vote against them.

Yes, I know lots and lots of wonderful Latinos as friends and business associates. But they are predisposed to vote for the Demunists because of pandering. Republicans can't out pander the panderers, and to try to do so is to an epic fail.

76

The Republican share of the legal Hispanic vote dropped from approximately 44% in 2004 to 22% in 2008.

 

HT, your numbers are way off. Bush got maybe 40% in 2004, and McCain got more than 23%.

Second, you need to look at history. The normal GOP share of the Hispanic vote has always fluctuated around 30%, for reasons I already described. This was the case even after Reagan signed the 1986 amnesty. In fact the people who recived that amnesty went and voted Democratic.

I'm not saying 'Don't go after the Hispanic vote". I'm saying that thinking that amnesty is the key to getting it is insane. The GOP strategy has to be a two pronged approach. Going after the Hispanics who are here (spending more money), and stopping more from coming. Because we are never going to get the majority of them. Face up to that fact and move on from there.

I know some legal Hispanics, and they were pretty much hopping mad over the comments that they heard that conflated legal and illegal immigrants in a fairly blatant fashion

I think this sort of thing is a big part of the problem. Vital US policy cannot be made on the basis of anecdotes, even assuming they are true. (And not having seen HT post here before, I'm not assuming that.) Kicking the borders open to Latin America is either a good idea or it's not. The hurt feelings of some Hispanics matter as much as the hurt feelings of some Americans in answering that question. Not at all.

Arguments along the lines of "they don't want to assimilate", "all they come here for is welfare", "their culture is crime-ridden", "they come from socialist countries and that's how they all vote here"

These things happen to be true, in the aggregate. Pretending otherwise helps nobody, not even legal Hispanics.

Otherwise they will join African-Americans as a permanent part of the Democratic coalition.

Otherwise? They are there already. We're not going to capture the majority of them. All we can do is damage limitation.

 

77 We lost because our candidate thought that the way to win was reaching out to Hispanics.

78 As far as I am concerned, McCain, Murtha, Cunningham, and several like them have used up all their hero-veteran credits.  What they did is in the past; this is now.

79

As HT says, 22% is not sustainable.

I would reply that a million a year legally, and even more illegally, is not sustainable either.

Wow, if we really bend over forwards and get reamed Hispandering we win--44% of the vote. Which is inaccurate, because Cuban Americans are Republican already, count just Mexican Americans for a more realistic 1/3 of the vote.

But even granting the bogus 44% number, what do we call 44% in electoral terms? A landslide loss, that's what.

80 We lost because our candidate thought that the way to win was reaching out to Hispanics.

Of course this is true.  GOP turnout was a huge problem that Palin only sorta helped fix.  Mccain's immigration and bailout bullshit were too fresh in the minds of republicans, and we now have Obama and Franken to deal with (not that I even know if that's worse than Mccain).

81 Thank you God that this man is not president. As bad as Obama gets, and I'm sure it will get bad, at least he's not one of ours. So, how do all of you McCain supporters who told us that we had to take the Barbed Cock of Satan up the Ass, I mean, vote for McCain because he was the lesser of two evils feel about him now? Honestly, at some point, you win at any cost Republicans are going to have to open your eyes and see that principles matter. We are not going to fool enough liberals or so-called "moderates" that we are really like them. We are not. We are conservatives. Conservatives stand for things, or at least we used to before we totally whored ourselves out to the Republican party. We like to look down on blacks and women for voting so mindlessly for Democrats when every time they still get the turd sandwich. Perhaps it's time we look in the mirror. From now on, I am only voting on principles. As Rush has repeatedly said, we have tried the "lesser of two evils" strategy and look where it has gotten us. MAN UP CONSERVATIVES!!! If we go down to defeat on a principled stand, at least we can still stand tall. Unlike so many McCain voters who probably now are secretly glad he didn't win, I feel no shame. Just something to think about.

82

John McCain:

Great American GI, Lousy Senator, Rotten Republican and a total disaster as a presidential candidate.

83 No one saw me do it, thankfully, but when I marked my ballot for McCain, I actually pinched my nose shut.

84

We lost because our candidate thought that the way to win was reaching out to Hispanics.

That's the way McCain would spin it, but I don't believe for a second that he gives a rats ass about Hispanics. He was reaching out to corporate America which thinks an ever growing population is an easier way of making money than practicing sound business fundamentals. It's never been about importing labor, it's been about importing consumers.

85 many McCain voters who probably now are secretly glad he didn't win

I am one of these.

how do all of you McCain supporters who told us that we had to take the Barbed Cock of Satan up the Ass, I mean, vote for McCain because he was the lesser of two evils feel about him now?

Honestly, I feel pretty much like he stabbed me in the back again.  And I feel stupid for pretending Obama was going to be much worse than Mccain.  I have little doubt that Mccain would be very similar to Obama, and long term, the GOP would be defending bailouts instead of attacking them.

86

He was reaching out to corporate America which thinks an ever growing population is an easier way of making money than practicing sound business fundamentals. It's never been about importing labor, it's been about importing consumers.

Actually, flenser, I think it's about both. And if it damns the loyal American consumer base, oh well, they're (we're) dwindling anyway....

87 We like to look down on . . . women for voting so mindlessly for Democrats

Posted by: Paradigm Shift at January 08, 2009 05:38 PM (D7UaL)

Nothing offensive or off-putting about that . . . you know, from a conservative woman's perspective.   

88

It's about time we stop pandering to the Hispanic voting bloc.  State our core principles and why ALL Americans will benefit from them not just their group.  If you do this and then STICK to your principles then maybe we can win.  Don't insult their intelligence or ours.  That's a prime mistake the Repubs make.  Don't get into a give me stuff pissing match with the Dems, we will lose.

BTW: McCain eats paste.  I want my $50 bones back.

89 RE: flenser @84,

I think that's true. Think about it from a self-interest perspective.

His wife owns (via inheritance) the largest beer distributorship in the southwest. By pandering to the business interests and demographic interests of Arizona and the region, his (and his wife's) personal fortunes stand to gain via a) artificially cheap labor for their employees, b) expedited trade where they will export product out of country more cheaply/easily without border constraints, and c) increased market access to an underserved southern hemisphere.

Their distributorship is a regional monopoly (or at a minimum, an oligopoly) that sits at the gateway to Central and South America. He is sitting on a goldmine and beer isn't the only thing he wants to tap. Restricting/Blocking the border, raising American blue-collar labor incomes, and upsetting his southern consumers are exactly the steps he'll work to oppose.

I don't believe his intentions are honorable. I don't believe his intentions have been honorable for quite some time.

90 He LOST because he is a prick....simple and to the point.  Not surprising that he is a whiner that is what liberals tend to be!

91  when I think of the future of the Republican party. McCain comes to mind after Arlen Spector, and I rarely think of that tool either. Time for reboot

92

That is not fair to describe McCain in those terms "crapping behind the couch". I read you guys almost every day and I enjoy this blog so I respectfully suggest that you change the wording of this posting.

I respectfully suggest you kiss my ass. McCain's a cocksucking douchebag.

He was reaching out to corporate America which thinks an ever growing population is an easier way of making money than practicing sound business fundamentals. It's never been about importing labor, it's been about importing consumers.

That's not necessarily true. While people focus on Walmart or Tyson, a LOT of illegals work for small local businesses like landscapers and construction contractors. Unfortunately, our pampered candy-ass slacking whiny teenagers and welfare recipients won't do 5 minutes of real work, so I'm not sure where that labor SHOULD come from. But that's another issue.

93 That man is clueless.  He couldn't find his butt with both hands and a mirror.

94 I thought I was doing the Right Thing in sending him $100.00 and so did 7HEAVENS.  (Sura 2:29)

95 I sent McCain $25 during his failed campaign. First time I ever contributed to a politician running for office. Ever.

And I only did it because of Sarah.

And now that I see the kind of stupid shit McCain is saying now, 2012 can't get here fast enough so he can watch Sarah win the office he fucked up his shot at.  Again. 

96 But, but......John McCain is my man!

97 Yeah, I contributed $35 three times, even after it became evident McCain was much more interested in chiding Republicans that dared mention Bambi's middle name than actually winning the election. First time I EVER gave to a political campaign... With my money, McCain ran the worst campaign since Dole kept referring to himself in the 3rd person, and allowed his flunkies to savage Sarah Palin after their completely incompetent campaign finished circling around the drain with an ignominious gurgle. But know what? After having listened to a part of Obama's Plan for the Socialist States of America today... well, if I could go back in time I would contribute $100 three times to McCain's campaign.

98 The gal that cuts my hair is a legal resident from Mexico, married to an Aggie.  The day after the election, while coloring my roots, she gave me a long lecture in heavily accented English on what makes America work, and just how badly Obama sucks.

Posted by: stace at January 08, 2009 05:01 PM (JO0c/)

I got the same thing from my dentist, who was also born in Mexico.  The cool thing was this: he asked me nonchalantly what I thought about Obama.  I said "I didn't vote for him."  Surprised, (I'm black), he goes "why not?"  I said "because he's a Marxist."  And it was on from there. 

Dr. S. said that if we get socialized medicing, he's quitting dentistry.

99 "34 It's all been said here and elsewhere.  Now, he's just a confused old man who needs to bow out."

Amen. Let him go out with some dignity left.

100 "Dr. S. said that if we get socialized medicing, he's quitting dentistry."

My M.D., from Czechoslovakia, said the same thing. When Czech was still Communist, they said, "Hey, we're moving you to X city to be an orthopedist.
"But I'm a cardiologist, and my family is here.
"Doesn't matter. Go."

Sp he escaped to Europe and the the US. Who will be left is we go socialist?

101
My M.D., from Czechoslovakia...

Posted by: PJ at January 08, 2009 09:15 PM (fyFnu)

Wait, wait.  I thought that we conservatives were supposed to be anti-immigrant! /s

102 John, Mr McCainez? Can I call you Juan? Do you prefer Pendejo or Maricon?

Anyways, Juan, I just want to assure you that we lost not for the reason you stated: we lost because we as a party and as conservatives nominated a self-serving, disingenuous cretinous old rustbucket barnacle enamored by his own low-bar story of past glory and a lucky place to stick his dick marital success.

You are a sorry piece of plunder, my friend, and a tone deaf politician with the public political skills of a man with arthritis trying to juggle.
You may want to do something meaningful, may have wanted to in the race, but you pissed away your chances, and at least four years of the precious life of your nation in the process.
Country First, unless it gets in the way of personal glory, self indulgent nostalgia and self-aggrandizing bullshit. Then all bets are off, the more popular sidekick (Palin) gets the old toss over the side and it's every Juan for himself, country be damned in the process.

I won't even bother to mention the sham that is your shameful presence in the ranks of the Party of Lincoln. You have no shame or you would have run a better campaign or had the good taste to retire and do damage control for the
train wreck you left for your running-mate, your alleged party,and your country in general.

Your highlight was the convention. Our highlight was Palin, upstaging you at the convention. face it.
You are old but not wise, senior but not to be looked to for guidance.

You are a fool of the first order and we were fools to believe any of the bilge you spewed during your "campaign". Those were lies and your "campaign" was a lie, as well.
Retire now, with some shred of dignity, or be ousted by your 'party' as the loser and sham that you are in '10.

Mexico awaits, Juan, head south. First burrito is free, I hear.

103

Enter sandman sounds cranky tonight.  I'm sleepy from hashish and opium.  (The moon and the stars in the 7HEAVENS bid you goodnight.  Sura 2:29)

104 Oh, please, McCain is saying nothing about the election. He is posturing in preparation for a one world government or north american union or open borders or some nonsense. This statement is as false and manipulative as "we have to attack Iraq because they will use Weapons of Mass Distruction on us." Neither statement is intended to do anything but feed the media a line of BS, so they can do what they want. And I find it offensive to make illegal immigration an ethnic issue - "Hispanics" include a lot of US citizens. And McCain's issues were less about immigration, than his sleazy morals, unstable positions, and disloyalty. The Hispanics reacted about like Caucasians and others - unhappy with the bottom scrapings the Republican party was able to offer.

105 We lost Hispanics because they were not going to vote for a super rich white half senile guy over Black Jesus.

106 Yes, McCain was, is and continues to be a pathetic wanker, but he has a point here. 

Of course it was not THE reason he lost (he barely put up a fight himself), but we probably would have won if we had stopped comparing Jose Sixpack to Al Qaeda (this: "we won't believe Bush is serious about the War on Terror until he secures the [Canadian?  Mexican?] border!!" bullshit).

"Oh my God!  The Twin Towers have been hit!  Secure San Diego!!  Lock down Albuquerque!!"

Gee, ya think maybe "students" from the Middle East who overstay their visas may be just a BIT more of a concern than frickin' Ecuadorian meat-packers and busboys?  Ya think?  More than the hardworking, self-reliant, otherwise socially conservative CHRISTIAN Hispanic people??  Just maybe?

107 Anyone who blames Palin for our loss needs to look at this man.

Then they need to go kill themselves.

That's the manly way.

108 I blame his loss on his adamant refusal to use "Hair in a Can" to make himself more appealing to young people.  He might have picked up more Hispanic votes too, particularly among younger Hispanics.

109

ya think maybe "students" from the Middle East who overstay their visas may be just a BIT more of a concern than frickin' Ecuadorian meat-packers and busboys? 

 

There is nothng to stop "students" from the Middle East from walking across our open borders. You can't claim to be in favor of the war on terror and still defend open borders.

Also, the "secure the borders" movement includes cracking down on visa overstays. McCain and friends oppose that also.

But on a seperate topic, we should worry about those poor "Ecuadorian meat-packers and busboys" for other reasons, reasons like, you know, us having a country of our own. I know that's a radical concept for some people.

110 We lost because that Pussy said FIGHT WITH ME, but wouldn't fight.

Didn't name names.

Bungled the Bailout fiasco.

Acted like a moron whimp ass bitch when it came to calling out Obama the Terrorist buddy to his face.

and...

Had one of the worst Chief of Staff/Campaign Managers ever!!!

And I quote "John would rather lose honorably."

Bunch of dumb bitch ass whiney Rhinos.

Any moron who tells you Republicans need to reach to the center left to get elected...just tell them to STFU and mention John McLame.

If the American Morons who don't even know who was in control of congress want to vote center left they aren't voting for a republican.  Get over it.  THey are voting for promises of Free Handouts and Welfarebama

John McCain...you lost because of YOU!

Shame on you for failing your country.

111 But on a separate topic, we should worry about those poor "Ecuadorian meat-packers and busboys" for other reasons, reasons like, you know, us having a country of our own. I know that's a radical concept for some people.

Wwoowww....I'd spent so much time debating the stalinists that I forgot the 'net still has plenty of fascists, as well (but don't let me stop you from dreaming up that white homeland out in Idaho, fenser). 

I mean, I'm no fan of UN gun control/education or SCOTUS judges looking to world opinion on their rulings, but we're not exactly in danger of being taken over by matadors, mariachi bands and Our Lady of Guadalupe anytime soon.

I know in the long run that a Howard Zinn or a Naomi Klein is far more insidious, but I still shudder everytime I see a copy of Pat Buchanan's The Unnecessary War . . .

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