May 10, 2014

Saturday Morning Inspiration: A Time for Choosing [WeirdDave]
— Open Blogger

In 1964 Reagan made an impassioned plea for Goldwater. The whole thing is worth listening to, I do a couple of times a year. It's his “A time for choosing” speech.

Listen to it:

If you don't want to spend the time, the essence of it is this:

40 some years later, we're further behind than we ever were. Forgive me while I kill myself.


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1 A great moment in US history.

Posted by: navybrat at May 10, 2014 04:11 AM (d0luY)

2 There isn't a single politician today that could deliver a speech such as this. He was,truly one of a kind.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 10, 2014 04:12 AM (Xkr8I)

3 'The essence' one is powerful. Pardon me while I join you.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2014 04:13 AM (FcR7P)

4 My home is about 1.5 miles from where this speech was given.

Posted by: navybrat at May 10, 2014 04:13 AM (d0luY)

5 40 some years later, we're further behind than we ever were. Forgive me while I kill myself. No sir. You aren't getting out of this that easily. Hold the line. Trust in God. Or as I like to say, get on your knees and fight like a man. With that, I'm off to get my hair cut. I want to look good when the fightin' starts.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 04:14 AM (oMKp3)

6 In 1964 Reagan made an impassioned plea for Goldwater. The whole thing is worth listening to, I do a couple of times a year. It's his “A time for choosing” speech.







And this was before "The Great Society" and LBJ's headlong plunge into screwing up the country domestically and in Vietnam

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2014 04:14 AM (FE/sZ)

7 I remember that speech.  Great speech and he was a great President.  I didn't agree with everything he did but most of those things were due to him having to work with a shitty Dem congress.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 04:16 AM (T2V/1)

8 *sob*

we are so, so far removed from that time.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 04:18 AM (9GG/0)

9 How long before Goldwater era Reagan speeches are illegal here

Posted by: boulder t' hobo at May 10, 2014 04:19 AM (9MuqI)

10 *sigh* I really miss the old days. 'Morning, Horde. SNAFUBAR, y'all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 04:20 AM (0HooB)

11 Thank you. . It will always be true I guess that the central government-supporting smart guys and the collectiveists will always find common ground, fighting against the liberty of the rest of us.

Posted by: MTF at May 10, 2014 04:22 AM (pKbp6)

12 Great words. Too bad a majority didn't listen.

Reagan's time has passed. You don't like that, but it's true. This is now Choom Boy's time, and the time of all who believe what he believes, and Reagan's vision is as dead as the Passenger Pigeon.

Yes, we could restore that America, but I see no one who has the vision, guts and skill to do it. Instead, I see a bunch of people who give lip service to the values of the real America and keep bringing up a speech that is no longer relevant.

Thank you, Republican "leaders" and conservative "thinkers." Your sellout has made you as effective as the captain of the Titanic.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 10, 2014 04:22 AM (dDzOj)

13 How long before Goldwater era Reagan speeches are illegal here

Posted by: boulder t' hobo at May 10, 2014 09:19 AM (9MuqI)




Today this would be labeled hate speech


Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2014 04:22 AM (FE/sZ)

14 And this was before "The Great Society" and LBJ's headlong plunge into screwing up the country domestically and in Vietnam LBJ, Jimmah Cahtah, Nixon (and his EPA), Cliton and now TFG. Each of these preezys is known primarily for the various levels of suckitude. Do we know how to pick 'em or whut?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 04:23 AM (0HooB)

15 He was,truly one of a kind. Posted by: Kreplach at May 10, 2014 09:12 AM (Xkr8I Loved/love the passion in his speeches.

Posted by: RWC at May 10, 2014 04:23 AM (QeH9j)

16 Hey, I've seen that dude's picture on John Stewart! One of the Founding Fathers, right?

Posted by: LIV at May 10, 2014 04:25 AM (FcR7P)

17 16 Hey, I've seen that dude's picture on John Stewart! One of the Founding Fathers, right? Posted by: LIV at May 10, 2014 09:25 AM (FcR7P) Founder of the KKK silly.

Posted by: RWC at May 10, 2014 04:26 AM (QeH9j)

18 >>And I want you to know that Barack has directed our government to do everything possible to support the Nigerian government’s efforts to find these girls and bring them home. >>In these girls, Barack and I see our own daughters. We see their hopes, their dreams — and we can only imagine the anguish their parents are feeling right now. That is not empathy. You are not capable.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 10, 2014 04:26 AM (SUKHu)

19 Commercials like this are the only ones that should run in the runup to 2014/2016 elections. 

Posted by: james Doesky at May 10, 2014 04:26 AM (5sefY)

20 Today we are chattel. Tax generators for our "betters". It really makes me sick. At least when this speech was made, our public servants had an iota of humility. No more.

Posted by: navybrat at May 10, 2014 04:27 AM (d0luY)

21 gonna make a run to the store bbl

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 04:29 AM (T2V/1)

22 He was,truly one of a kind.

I was working in Philly, and drove down to D.C for the Lying in State.  I remember a car with a handmade sign in the window.  "We will never see one of his kind again."  I didn't get into the Rotunda until 3 AM.  So glad I went.

Posted by: Paladin at May 10, 2014 04:29 AM (SsaBP)

23 Commercials like this are the only ones that should run in the runup to 2014/2016 elections. Heh, you're funny. We're all out of ad time.

Posted by: The Networks at May 10, 2014 04:30 AM (FcR7P)

24 We choose... Free shit! Free shit!! Free shit!! Free shit!! Free shit!!

Posted by: Free Shit Army at May 10, 2014 04:32 AM (bHnlE)

25 Another pushback against the BLM today at Utah's recapture canyon. On Saturday, San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman plans to ride on a government-closed ATV trail through an area rich with 1,800-year-old Anasazi ruins, in defiance of federal land management policies. Lyman said the much-publicized ride on the northern section of the 11-mile trail is less about the canyon specifically and more about public access to trails in general. "This is not about Recapture. It is not about ATVs. It is not politics, it is not economics," he said. "It is part of who I am. It is part of Blanding, and it is our culture, too. We don't not want to see groups come in and say these trails did not exist … it was a thoroughfare since the mid-1800s."

Posted by: RWC at May 10, 2014 04:33 AM (QeH9j)

26 The essence video is fightin' words for the MSM and the gummint, BIRM. Yeah; that includes you GOP.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 10, 2014 04:37 AM (60Vyp)

27 Another pushback against the BLM today I'm losing count of the number of 'rogue' agencies we have.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2014 04:37 AM (FcR7P)

28 I'm losing count of the number of 'rogue' agencies we have. Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2014 09:37 AM

Just look for a list of ALL gubmint agencies.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 10, 2014 04:40 AM (dDzOj)

29 Good news, everyone! Dave didn't kill himself. He's just sleeping.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 04:42 AM (N/cFh)

30 At least when this speech was made, our public servants had an iota of humility. I disagree somewhat. SCOAMF-ocracy has been a part of big city life for a very long time.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2014 04:44 AM (FcR7P)

31 I recall hearing an updated of this speech circa 1983. In February.I offered $200 for a complete transcript of it that has yet to be claimed.

Anyone who can unearth the actual revised version will have provided the somewhat flagging anti-GOPe movement a burst of renewal.

At this link http://pascalfervor.blogspot.com/2014/02/200-reward-for-verified-copy-82-83.html you will find the best I could do at recreating what I recall Reagan saying so that you know what to look for.

I hope it inspires a large number of you renewed optimism in that Reagan anticipated the Tea Party movement decades before it began.

Posted by: pascal at May 10, 2014 04:45 AM (+xArG)

32 The problem is not the words, or the ideas. I was a kid then, and actually remember watching this speech on TV. Although he was campaigning for Goldwater, this speech was actually "the beginning" of Reagan's political career (although this was not actually the beginning). The problem is the people, the country. When Ronald Reagan made this speech (for the losing side, I might add), it was still well received and politely received by the opposition. Today the speech is more important than ever, if someone would give it and use the same words. It would be very popular with some, and the counter reaction would be vicious. The reach of neo-Marxist ideas NOW is such that everything is political, and there is now no limit to how much you can be attacked for any belief or idea which you might espouse. So speech is chilled, and people are afraid. Now more than ever, we need people who will stand up to say things like this. Now more than ever, we get Rand Paul equivocating on voter rights and voter rolls and making it a point that ex-felons get to vote, Jeb Bush talking about inviting every poor Mexican into the US for "love", and Chris Christy eating every donut in sight. I don't really know what road we go down to get our country back

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at May 10, 2014 04:46 AM (+1T7c)

33 Yeah, and how did Goldwater repay him?  Not my hero.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at May 10, 2014 04:46 AM (6MiMG)

34 Morning all From deep in the heart of internet reception deprived MCAS Cherry Point NC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2014 04:54 AM (oLe0j)

35 Most historians agree that Ike Turner's 'A Time For Choking' (1969) was the best speech of the decade.

Posted by: MSNBC at May 10, 2014 04:55 AM (Ks4nX)

36 Most historians agree that Ike Turner's 'A Time For Choking' (1969) was the best speech of the decade. - He's my favorite musician.

Posted by: Alan Grayson at May 10, 2014 05:04 AM (Mogjf)

37 I have that speech on my MP3 player. I find myself listening to it at least once a month.

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 10, 2014 05:05 AM (KCxzN)

38 RINO

Posted by: TruCon at May 10, 2014 05:07 AM (Cq0oW)

39 Few greater speeches have ever been given, that we have such a record of, and nothing still provides such a concise and fundamental summation of our entire worldview. Another saying that's equally important from Reagan, that's somehow omitted in all of this greatness, is this gem: Don't be afraid to see what you see. The things the other side presents as complex, things that can only be pondered by the credentialed zen ninja virtuosos of approved thought, are actually simple. Not easy, but simple, and anyone with two working braincells and an ounce of moral courage can see it... if they're not afraid to see it. It's time to reject their false complexity, it's time for common sense, and it's definitely once again, time for choosing.

Posted by: Cato at May 10, 2014 05:08 AM (J+mig)

40 LBJ & Ted Kennedy did so many things to screw us in the 1960's. Teddy was all for relaxing, I believe, old immigration rules where person had to have sponsor in order to come here. The idiots in this state kept the reflecting the murderer!

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 05:09 AM (gjOCp)

41 40 LBJ & Ted Kennedy did so many things to screw us in the 1960's. Teddy was all for relaxing, I believe, old immigration rules where person had to have sponsor in order to come here. The idiots in this state kept the reflecting the murderer!

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:09 AM (gjOCp)


And Ted "The Swimmer" got it in the first amnesty sell out in 1965.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 05:11 AM (T2V/1)

42 Posted by: Vic at May 10, 2014 10:11 AM (T2V/1)

Immigration changed from reflecting the current make-up of the country to some sort of progressive wet dream about turning the USA into a haven for disgruntled 3rd world scum.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2014 05:15 AM (QFxY5)

43 This extremist rhetoric will scare away independents. Please donate!

Posted by: Republican National Committee at May 10, 2014 05:15 AM (Ks4nX)

44 Thank you, Vic. I'm going to put iPad away & listen on computer & read link. I was trying to take a nap. I got second injection yesterday in neck for shoulder if you didn't read that earlier.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 05:17 AM (gjOCp)

45 "Reagan's time has passed.... Yes, we could restore that America, but I see no one who has the vision, guts and skill to do it. Instead, I see a bunch of people who give lip service to the values of the real America and keep bringing up a speech that is no longer relevant...." —MrScribbler Reagan's time never was, just some hints, partial realizations of what can be, as proof of concept. But people like Goldwater and Reagan are remembered, and continue to inspire people born decades after those men lived. Why, look! There's a vid of Reagan, right there! Few? Yes. Opposed? Mightily. However, I seem to recall a small ragtag bunch of folks whose leader was only around for a few years before he was cruelly executed by the Establishment of the day, yet those few went on to become a force which overturned the Roman Empire and changed the course of human civilization. And continue to do so. I can't quite imagine the outnumbered, ostracized, persecuted early believers fretting that their inspiring leader's time had passed and still achieving what they did. Believe and hold to principle. We have a secret weapon in the attractive power of truth, clearly started. Isn't that the Reagan legacy?

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 10, 2014 05:17 AM (6O259)

46 34 Morning all From deep in the heart of internet reception deprived MCAS Cherry Point NC Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2014 09:54 AM (oLe0j) *waves* I can see NGU from my house!

Posted by: EC at May 10, 2014 05:19 AM (doBIb)

47 Damn you WeirdDave and I was having a good day

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 05:19 AM (HDwDg)

48 Today's Zeitgeist: Freedom? Fuck that shit.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 10, 2014 05:21 AM (Mogjf)

49 » Good news, everyone! Dave didn't kill himself. He's just sleeping. — Gingy Whew! Thanks. I almost worried.

Posted by: mindful webworrier at May 10, 2014 05:21 AM (6O259)

50 2 There isn't a single politician today that could deliver a speech such as this palin can that chick can actually drive a crowd into a frenzy without doing jumping jacks

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:21 AM (G98WR)

51 Today's Zeitgeist: Freedom? Fuck that shit. Posted by: WalrusRex at May 10, 2014 10:21 AM (Mogjf) Pretty much. Today's population would rather be taken care of and restricted than free but have to fend for themselves.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 05:23 AM (HDwDg)

52 I think another change in immigration policy from the Swimmer's bill was to remove the requirement that the immigrant be useful and productive, to merely showing a family relationship with someone here.

Posted by: real joe at May 10, 2014 05:24 AM (xXhgd)

53 "...credentialed zen ninja virtuosos of approved thought...." -Cato heh. Nice turn of phrase!

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 10, 2014 05:25 AM (kUq7A)

54 Posted by: mindful webworker at May 10, 2014 10:17 AM (6O259) Simple truth wins. Not only do people respect the courage of someone that can get up in front of the nation and tell them what they know to be true without fear, but the majority of people also know when they're being sold a bill of goods. We're not going to win an election by trying to be a used car salesman, by being everything to everyone. We'll win by telling the truth as it is, that our way is better. Better morally, better financially, and better for the world that it will leave behind in the years ahead. We don't have to lie to say any of that, like they do, and that's our advantage.

Posted by: Cato at May 10, 2014 05:25 AM (J+mig)

55 49 » Good news, everyone! Dave didn't kill himself. He's just sleeping. — Gingy Whew! Thanks. I almost worried. Posted by: mindful webworrier at May 10, 2014 10:21 AM (6O259) --- Come on now. It was on the Internet so it had to be true.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 05:29 AM (N/cFh)

56 There's a military pron version. Made by a Canadian (sob).

Posted by: Adam at May 10, 2014 05:30 AM (Aif/5)

57 54 We don't have to lie to say any of that, like they do, and that's our advantage. yeah, that's working out just fine

Posted by: President Romney at May 10, 2014 05:30 AM (G98WR)

58 42  Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2014 10:15 AM (QFxY5)


That is about the same time the Dems started winning most of the time too.  I can not believe the Republicans went along with this shit.  AND are still going along with it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 05:31 AM (T2V/1)

59 Ronald Reagan did not need a script or a teleprompter. TFG needs a new nickname, TTK. The TelePrompTer King, but I hesitate to use King with him. Someone add a third letter for The TelePrompTer ___________

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 05:33 AM (gjOCp)

60 Speech would mean a lot more if Reagan had actually governed like he believed half the stuff he said.

Deficit spending.  Amnesty v.1986.  Nothing to check the Department of Education, EPA, IRS, etc.

Reagan of 1964 became a hand puppet of the liberal east coast wing of the party personified by the Bush's and James Baker.

Posted by: Elizabeth at May 10, 2014 05:33 AM (YBusZ)

61 58 I can not believe the Republicans went along with this shit. that's sarcasm, right? holy crap vic, did you hear about the Sarah? iirc she was your first tub (and my sister ship)

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:33 AM (G98WR)

62 58: I can, because the party establishment never wanted Reagan, and barely was he out of office before they started sabotaging everything he ever accomplished. The establishment gave us Bush, Dole, Bush II, McCain, and Romney. They've given us nothing but failures, and that's not about to stop unless we override them at the ballot box.

Posted by: Cato at May 10, 2014 05:35 AM (J+mig)

63 It's mourning in America. ...At least for those who can accomplish the arcane wizardry called "math".

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 10, 2014 05:35 AM (lq3Ak)

64 Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 10:33 AM (G98WR) very sad!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at May 10, 2014 05:36 AM (u8GsB)

65 60.  Don't forget, Reagan also gave us Anthony Kennedy who in turn gave us the butt sex as a Constitutional right and the sweet mystery of life and foreign law as serious tools of Constitutional interpretation.

Posted by: Roscoe at May 10, 2014 05:36 AM (YBusZ)

66 64 they did the same to the fid, gone for a dollar I offered $5 bucks

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:37 AM (G98WR)

67 Gingy,

Congratulations on your upcoming gradution. I believe that DC is coming my way. I live in Paducah, KY. Can I contact you at GingyNorth.com and send him some contact information? I can't promise to be helpful, but I know it's nice to have someone to talk to when you are new in town. Thanks!

Posted by: Ms.M at May 10, 2014 05:37 AM (+qScL)

68 Kreplach @ 2--
There are plenty of politicians who could deliver a good speech. Problem is, it would all be lies coming form the current crop, Sen. Cruz and Congressman Gohmert excluded.

Posted by: Erowmero at May 10, 2014 05:38 AM (go5uR)

69 » Immigration changed from reflecting the current make-up of the country to some sort of progressive wet dream about turning the USA into a haven for disgruntled 3rd world scum. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo How terribly, devastatingly unfortunate that this, so concisely stated, is so true. Immigrants were, by and large, the most loyal and patriotic of Americans, required to be more knowledgeable about our systems of government than most natural-borns. Seeing the group oaths still thrills me. Ones I've known are so proud to be citizens, and I am glad to have them here. Yeah, that may have changed a bit....

Posted by: mindful webworker natural born crackpot at May 10, 2014 05:39 AM (6O259)

70 Politics is the "art" of the possible. Great Ideas and high ideals are where we point to, where we aspire to go. But it is not going to be possible to reach those in the next election, or the next set of elections. Setting up a condition that is impossible to actually reach only makes people more angry and frustrate. I only really want three things out of the Federal government. 1) live within your means (financially) 2) live within the boundary of the Constitution 3) respect the limitations of Federal Power and recognize the States limited autonomy under our Federalist system. That's it. If we can get that, a lot of positive things will flow from it. Positive changes will occur downstream in the years to come.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at May 10, 2014 05:40 AM (+1T7c)

71 One World Government, and the end of the U.S.

Posted by: nip at May 10, 2014 05:40 AM (jI23+)

72 Reagan also gave us Judge Scalia.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 05:41 AM (gjOCp)

73 61  holy crap vic, did you hear about the Sarah? iirc she was your first tub (and my sister ship)

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 10:33 AM (G98WR)


Yeah, I posted a link and comments on the news thread this morning.  It has actually been sitting in RI for 12 years while a group fought the idiots and collected money to make it a museum.  They finally gave up.  Can't win fighting idiot liberals in RI.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 05:42 AM (T2V/1)

74 71: Also known as the antheap of totalitarianism.

Posted by: Cato at May 10, 2014 05:42 AM (J+mig)

75 » yeah, that's working out just fine Posted by: President Romney Ref: used car salesman in Cato's comment.

Posted by: mindful webworker is commenty at May 10, 2014 05:44 AM (13IVx)

76 Amazing how applicable it is 50 years later. One of the best speeches ever made.

Posted by: dweezil at May 10, 2014 05:45 AM (81mgL)

77 67 Gingy, Congratulations on your upcoming gradution. I believe that DC is coming my way. I live in Paducah, KY. Can I contact you at GingyNorth.com and send him some contact information? I can't promise to be helpful, but I know it's nice to have someone to talk to when you are new in town. Thanks! Posted by: Ms.M at May 10, 2014 10:37 AM (+qScL) --- There's no gingynorth.com that I'm aware, and if it's pictures of me I don't want to know about it! I can be reached at Ginger of the north at that hot mail place. I will forward your info along.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 05:45 AM (N/cFh)

78 73 my sister told me about it last night, she lives in RI she cant wait to escape i'll be there in august and oct, I figured it had to be better than hawaii

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:45 AM (G98WR)

79 One world government and the end of the U.S. A stated goal of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Posted by: teej at May 10, 2014 05:46 AM (cKu7m)

80 50 palin can that chick can actually drive a crowd into a frenzy without doing jumping jacks Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 10:21 AM (G98WR) Yep. http://www.humanevents.com/2008/09/04/welcome-back-dad/

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 05:46 AM (sdi6R)

81 RE the USS Saratoga Sometimes it is best to see an old friend go rather than linger and waste away like the SS United States.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 10, 2014 05:46 AM (l3vZN)

82 77 and if it's pictures of me I don't want to know about it ah the things we find on the web

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:47 AM (G98WR)

83 Before you criticize RR  too hard remember that he had to fight a Democrat controlled congress and half his own Party get anything done.   Bush II had Republican controlled congress and what did he give us?  Right off the bat cross the aisle and make deal with Ted asshole Kennedy for commodity.  After which he was stabbed in the back over and over,

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 05:47 AM (T2V/1)

84 Why is Mitt showing up on so many television shows? I haven't watched any, but know he has. Why? Is GOP establishment starting a push for him again? He should go quietly back to work & shut up.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 05:47 AM (gjOCp)

85 "Reagan was an amiable dunce" - so the narrative went. Ronald Reagan did not need a script or a teleprompter. Posted by: Carol That's because Reagan was a very practiced public speaker, and an actor (okay). He would learn his speech lines, practice, and deliver them in a very personable way. During the '50's, he worked for GE and spoke at a lot of different employee gatherings about GE policies, goals, etc. He really polished his public speaking skills, after years of being an actor, and before that working on radio. Obama is not really that good a public speaker. Besides being a sociopathic cold fish, he easily gets confused if he misses his cues, and is frankly a very difficult speaker to listen to because of his cadence. His vulgar insincerity is typified by his remark when speaking to Planned Parenthood that they "are doing God's work". Vulgar pagan liar. Besides his developed speaking skills, Ronald Reagan was also a very naturally empathic person with his audience. There were times he did things in public that made him connect directly with his audience. If you recall, there was a charter flight that crashed with a planeload of military personnel on board in th '80's, I think all were killed. Reagan spoke at the memorial service, and there was one very moving picture of him embracing the father of one of the killed service people, and you could see the anguish on his face.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at May 10, 2014 05:50 AM (+1T7c)

86 Thanks! Gingy. I didn't know. Will do.

Posted by: Ms.M at May 10, 2014 05:50 AM (+qScL)

87 Yeah, that may have changed a bit.... Posted by: mindful webworker natural born crackpot at May 10, 2014 10:39 AM (6O259) Is it just me or did it look like that started to change when we attempted to be the first to pull off socialism?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 05:51 AM (HDwDg)

88 I don't know how you folks can compare that old guy to *real* politicians like Wendy Davis and Hillary Clinton. /endsarc

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at May 10, 2014 05:52 AM (RWBeZ)

89 85 I saw Reagan give a speech for the USS Stark attack in 88, it was awesome got my first challenge coin too from him

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:54 AM (G98WR)

90 "Reagan was an amiable dunce" - so the narrative went. - Whereas Obama is a vicious dunce.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 10, 2014 05:54 AM (Mogjf)

91 Wendy Davis and Hillary Clinton are real politicians. Really evil politicians. They have followings. This is what we are up against.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at May 10, 2014 05:54 AM (+1T7c)

92 "I don't know how you folks can compare that old guy to *real* politicians like Wendy Davis and Hillary Clinton. " Finally! I couldn't agree more!

Posted by: Elizabeth Warrren at May 10, 2014 05:56 AM (l3vZN)

93 palin's best speech was the one in Madison after the teacher's union got broken and she did it in front of the union protesters

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 05:57 AM (G98WR)

94 20 million illiterate Mexicans will only make our country stronger.

Posted by: Boner, John at May 10, 2014 06:05 AM (jI23+)

95 Hmm. Reagan's speech was broadcast on October 27, 1964. At about the 4:00 mark he said this: You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down I knew that sounded familiar. Bob Dylan's third album, "The Times They Are a-Changin'", was released on January 13, 1964. Among the liner notes is this: there is no right wing or left wing… there is only up wing an down wing Reagan quoting Dylan? In 1964? That's unpossible. I wonder where that phrase came from originally?

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 06:06 AM (sdi6R)

96 ID is Racist!

Posted by: Paul, Rand at May 10, 2014 06:08 AM (jI23+)

97 It is too late now. Reagan was only able to slow things down a bit and show us a better way, but the push towards where we are now was too strong. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Posted by: eman at May 10, 2014 06:10 AM (EWsrI)

98 RE: Rand Paul now opposing voter photo ID laws:

I hate his f'n guts!  I hate him for getting out of bed in the morning.  I hate him for going to bed at night, and I hate him for everything he does in-between.

I would love to see Rand Paul cornholed by a rhino is a pit full of squid.


Posted by: mnw at May 10, 2014 06:10 AM (PIwMa)

99 29 Good news, everyone! Dave didn't kill himself. He's just sleeping. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth If you want to get Dave up tell him the weeds are winning. I miss Reagan a lot but I'm a realist. There will be a great catastrophe before another of his caliber comes along, and maybe not even then. Well, off to the feed n seed store to buy jizya for the squirrels so they leave my corn crop alone. Little devils are digging up the sprouts to eat the kernel. I have another solution that speaks 1,300 fps but I don't want to go there yet, kinda like how I feel about the FSA. Not yet, but soon...

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at May 10, 2014 06:11 AM (baiNQ)

100 Yeah, that whole amiable dunce thing about Reagan really frosts me. Speaking of which- for sheer hilarity and pure unawareness of self- read- this screed by Tina Brown wherein she howls her pain at the fact that the likes of her no longer completely control the media. It's all Matt Drudge and Lewinsky's fault you see - somehow telling the truth about Bill Clinton was a horrible terrible no good thing- while amiable dunce. etc about Reagan and any other Rep, was A-OK. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/09/how-monica-lewinsky-changed-the-media.html Ha ha ha, Tina your bitter bitter tears could replace the Angostura in my Mahattans. Please bottle and send them to me. Chop-chop!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 10, 2014 06:11 AM (KBvAm)

101 I would love to see Rand Paul cornholed by a rhino is a pit full of squid. Posted by: mnw at May 10, 2014 11:10 AM (PIwMa) Go on.

Posted by: Hentai Squid at May 10, 2014 06:13 AM (KBvAm)

102 97 It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I hate to say it but i'm sure the swhtf in the next 12 years going to be ugly

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:14 AM (G98WR)

103 98 RE: Rand Paul now opposing voter photo ID laws:

I hate his f'n guts! I hate him for getting out of bed in the morning. I hate him for going to bed at night, and I hate him for everything he does in-between.

I would love to see Rand Paul cornholed by a rhino is a pit full of squid.


Posted by: mnw at May 10, 2014 11:10 AM (PIwMa)


I had to partially retract that post from th9is morning.  The link I had from Drudge went to the NYT and they did not give all of what he said.  What it was shot question answer session where at the very end of the session he said he thought Republicans overemphasized voter ID but we did need something to keep dead people from voting.



He did, however, say a lot about allowing felons to vote.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:15 AM (T2V/1)

104 103 He did, however, say a lot about allowing felons to vote. I have to agree with it as long as the felon did his time and has a court restore his rights then its all good

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:17 AM (G98WR)

105 Apologies for screwing up the 40 years thing, it's been 50. Not that that makes it any better. Know what makes it so painful for me, and I imagine for most of y'all as well? It's all there, it's right fucking there in front of us and nobody sees it. The left is busy trying to create a Utopia based upon ideas that have been proven to fail time and again, ignoring the founding principles of this country which have been proven to work time and time again. The closest humans are going to get to Utopia, in this lifetime at least, is lightly regulated free market capitalism. Makes me want to shake all these idiots like a lab with a toy in it's mouth.

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 06:20 AM (N/cFh)

106 104 
I have to agree with it
as long as the felon did his time and has a court restore his rights then its all good

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:17 AM (G98WR)


I don't

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:21 AM (T2V/1)

107 106 how so?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:21 AM (G98WR)

108 104 I have to agree with it as long as the felon did his time and has a court restore his rights then its all good Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:17 AM (G98WR) I don't have a problem with that. Also, the definition of "felon" keeps expanding. Didn't someone once write that the average American commits three felonies a day without realizing it?

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 06:22 AM (sdi6R)

109 Think subversively. Act yokelly.

Posted by: Just a simple caveman lawyer at May 10, 2014 06:24 AM (wu/TK)

110 Vic, I'm listening to Reagan Carter debate. Just think how much better off we'd be if Reagan had chosen Kemp as VP, instead of choosing rival Bush.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 06:26 AM (gjOCp)

111 108 104 I have to agree with it as long as the felon did his time and has a court restore his rights then its all good Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:17 AM (G98WR) Exactly, especially given what counts for "felonies" these days....

Posted by: AC at May 10, 2014 06:26 AM (X6YhV)

112

"Know what makes it so painful for me, and I imagine for most of y'all as well? It's all there, it's right fucking there in front of us and nobody sees it."

 

I totally agree.

Posted by: Zombie George Santayana at May 10, 2014 06:28 AM (gaOtJ)

113 let me give an example today i'll be going to the range say that a round falls into my rifle bag and I don't notice and I go home now I get pulled over for speeding and the cop checks my weapons having live ammo with a weapon is a class C felony in Hawaii there goes my rights

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:29 AM (G98WR)

114 107 106 how so?
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:21 AM (G98WR)

It appears that some believe in a life sentence for all felonies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 10, 2014 06:31 AM (gnKGA)

115 The over-classification of crimes as felonies, if there is one, is a separate issue. If there is a problem there then fix that problem.


Not allowing felons to vote has been common State law for centuries.  The theory  behind it was committing serious crimes indicates that the individual was not a good community oriented responsible individual and should not be trusted withe serious responsibility of voting.


Yes, in days past it was considered a serious responsibility and not something to enable free shit.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:31 AM (T2V/1)

116 110 Vic,
I'm listening to Reagan Carter debate. Just think how much better off we'd be if Reagan had chosen Kemp as VP, instead of choosing rival Bush.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 11:26 AM (gjOCp)


What I have read on that was RR did not want Bush and did not like him.  But was forced to take him by the Party to try to shore up NE.



And if I recall correctly you never did see a lot of Bush while Reagan was in office.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:33 AM (T2V/1)

117 Reagan also gave a great speech on socialized medicine, I believe, around the same time.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 06:34 AM (gjOCp)

118 The RNC should save some bucks, and run this as a historical commemoration on it's 50th anniversary . What can the Dems do, bitch that Reagan was right?

Posted by: Dave Darnell at May 10, 2014 06:34 AM (y3lic)

119 Really evil politicians. They have followings. This is what we are up against. Posted by: Bossy -------------------------------------------- It is important that we actually (and quickly) absorb that fact, at all levels. Most of my friends accept it, but really just as hyperbole. Most don't think the Left are *actually* of evil intent, just that they are honestly mistaken. The best case is that they are, in fact, not evil, it's just that the consequences of their actions are manifestations are evil. Either way, the consequences are the same. The only way to confront this is with facts and truth, loudly, repeatedly and affirmatively spoken.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 10, 2014 06:36 AM (aDwsi)

120 I have a friend who is a felon for catching a Rockfish without knowing what it was. It was still live, in a bucket when the Game Warden caught him. Live fish went back in the water and two years later they became legal to take.

But my friend, a mild mannered, honest, hard working man, is a felon.

 I know that the Dems want the criminal class votes because they will reap the majority of them but I'm not sure how I feel about keeping felons from voting.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 06:36 AM (IVgIK)

121 114 It appears that some believe in a life sentence for all felonies. I think it should me mandatory for a lot of them, death for some too examples for a date with the chair -1st degree murder -rape of a child under 5 -rape of a senior -terrorism -treason -being a St Louis Cards fan -being a Packers fan -serial rape (third time)

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:37 AM (G98WR)

122 120  Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 11:36 AM (IVgIK)


Game laws are some of the worst in the nation. And some really big changes need to be made there.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:38 AM (T2V/1)

123 I have a friend who got caught banging his girlfriend (now his wife on the beach he's now not only a felon but a registered sex offender

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:39 AM (G98WR)

124 123 
123 I have a friend who got caught banging his girlfriend (now his wife on the beach
he's now not only a felon but a registered sex offender

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:39 AM (G98WR)


That is not a felony here. HI heal thyself

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:40 AM (T2V/1)

125 If you own a windmill you can kill all the bald eagles you want.

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 06:41 AM (sdi6R)

126 [iBut my friend, a mild mannered, honest, hard working man, is a felon. [/I] With apologies to all the lawyer-type Morons in the Horde, but isn't it just a little bit of a conflict of interest for lawyers to make laws? Just a teensy, weensy bit? I don't want to see our legal system become an industry run by lawyers, but with so many laws against so many things (particularly when nothing and no one is harmed, in your friend's case), that's what it's starting to resemble.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:41 AM (0HooB)

127 123 I have a friend who got caught banging his girlfriend (now his wife on the beach he's now not only a felon but a registered sex offender Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 11:39 AM (G98WR) Now those are some laws that are badly in need of reform. It's sad the minor crap that can cause you to be registered.

Posted by: AC at May 10, 2014 06:41 AM (X6YhV)

128 Common law beaches, man

Posted by: Lee Marvin at May 10, 2014 06:42 AM (wu/TK)

129 124 That is not a felony here. HI heal thyself I've seen his wife in this case it should be

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:42 AM (G98WR)

130 It's possible that who ever helped write that speech was aware of the Dylan quote. Not to imply that Dylan was a conservative or a Republican then, but from what I've read ,the protest movement at that time wasn't really aiming their fire at the GOP so much as at the Democrat Party  which  they were then trying to infilitrate (and would take over by '72). In 1964, "Republican" still meant "Eisenhower" to most Americans--boring, conformist maybe, but not an object of hate. Also, don't forget--as we're always trying to remind everyone--the Civil Rights Act was largely a Republican act, sizable numbers of blacks still voted GOP, and Strom Thurmond (exhibit A for why the GOP is raycisss) was still a Democrat....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at May 10, 2014 06:43 AM (P76GK)

131 127  Now those are some laws that are badly in need of reform. It's sad the minor crap that can cause you to be registered.

Posted by: AC at May 10, 2014 11:41 AM (X6YhV)


It used to get you on the sex offender list here if the caught you peeing on a tree in your backyard if it was visible outside of your property.  But they finally changed that.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:44 AM (T2V/1)

132 Yikes! May 7th was the anniversary of the sinking of the Lusitania. How'd we miss it? AVENGE THE LUSITANIA!

Posted by: Pug All Zipped Up at May 10, 2014 06:44 AM (3U9Bd)

133 food thread up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 06:45 AM (T2V/1)

134 Thank you, Vic for answer at #116. I know establishment didn't want Reagan. I thought Reagan chose Bush on his own. I have Reagan Library website open on another page, I went to look for speech about socialized medicine but haven't found it yet.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 06:45 AM (gjOCp)

135 the law is jacked, too many things can get you jacked its been said before but I can confirm it...if a cop wants to pull you over, he can easily cause there is so many things to perform a stop for then there are so many offenses he can get your in cuffs if he feels like it

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:45 AM (G98WR)

136
>>>It is important that we actually (and quickly) absorb that fact, at all levels. Most of my friends accept it, but really just as hyperbole. Most don't think the Left are *actually* of evil intent, just that they are honestly mistaken.

Yes. I used to believe they were mistaken. Too many times I have seen the private comments that prove otherwise. Now, what was once hidden is often revealed openly. Pro abortion activists, for instance, used to obfuscate, muddying the waters of where life begins and claiming no one wants abortion. Now they celebrate it on Mother's Day. What could be more brazen?  What could be more twisted?

Many people find it easier to ignore those types of indicators because to realize that you are facing evil is to know that you must oppose it. Furthermore, you have to decide how far you must go to oppose it and if you are willing to pay the price that will come with those lengths.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 06:46 AM (IVgIK)

137 126 With apologies to all the lawyer-type Morons in the Horde, but isn't it just a little bit of a conflict of interest for lawyers to make laws? Just a teensy, weensy bit? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 10, 2014 11:41 AM (0HooB) My idea, which I realize has zero chance of implementation, is to bar lawyers from the Legislative and Executive branches of government. They would still have the Judicial branch all to themselves. How could they complain? What other profession has an entire branch of government?

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 06:46 AM (sdi6R)

138 Newd. And it's a drinking thread, I think.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:46 AM (0HooB)

139 I'm with copjoe. We are told a person has serviced His debt to society when He is released from prison etc. If we have a problem with a killer (example) having the ability to vote when released i would say that has more to do with the system lack of guarding others security. Or actual belief the system works and we should probably tackle that issue. as seperate. If they have served their debt to society shouldn't they have the ability to move forward and do well? also that you can become a felon through idiotic govt legislation which was legal today is illegal tomorrow. those are actual things we should fight. (hope this made sense)

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:47 AM (nqBYe)

140 I had never heard Reagan's speech in its entirty I am amazed at what His thoughts were on that time, and How much it is similar to what we are dealing with Now. I guess we think things change , but they really are the same battle decade after decade.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:48 AM (nqBYe)

141 Hi willow!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:49 AM (qyfb5)

142 America has, literally, tons of laws and regulations that make criminals out of every American. This gives the government the ability to punish anyone that speaks out.

It's going to get much worse throughout the West before it gets better. This system the left put in place is simply going to collapse under the math. But much will burn.

The left delights in protecting their subjects from the results of their choices. And right now, they are printing money like no tomorrow to delay the inevitable results of all of their bad choices. But actions do have consequences and they won't be able to escape that.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 06:49 AM (AC0lD)

143 No! omg i actually had to think to type that. o man.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:49 AM (nqBYe)

144 Merovign! hi hi. i am so glad to see you type. have missed you hope all is ok?

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:50 AM (nqBYe)

145 %$#$. !

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:51 AM (nqBYe)

146 By the way, I am sick to death of people pointing to Reagan's deficits and equating them to today's.

Setting aside the fact of the Democrat congress, Reagan ran deficits in pursuit of the demise of the Soviet Union. Without the spending, and the clearly roaring economy, the Soviets could have held serve on the arms race and the idea of the Strategic Defense Initiative would have held little force.

Reagan took out a loan to buy the end of decades of actual and potential conflict. In doing so he set up the dominant military you see today.

Money well spent.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 06:51 AM (IVgIK)

147 omg i actually had to think to type that. you need a mai tai

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 10, 2014 06:51 AM (G98WR)

148 copjoe, darn it i do, but i have 4 gkids coming today for the remainder of the weekend. so sober but still crzy insane is how it will go

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:53 AM (nqBYe)

149 I have been busy, willow. It's a long story. I am still okay, in some ways better, mostly not much has changed yet. Trying to find myself a better place. Cardiologist has almost completely removed my restrictions, though my heart is still no better than 60% of normal. Can't afford to wait any longer. I hope *you* are doing well. I check in now and again but almost never when you are around.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:54 AM (qyfb5)

150 I have a friend who got caught banging his girlfriend (now his wife on the beach he's now not only a felon but a registered sex offender - Was she underage or what was the crime?

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 10, 2014 06:54 AM (Mogjf)

151 Nood

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 06:55 AM (zDsvJ)

152 Merovign, i am doing ok. I do not hope for anything more than that at this point. and sooo glad to see some restrictions removed and hope it makes living easier with the move.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:55 AM (nqBYe)

153 Oh, and everything's a felony. That's one of the worst (of many bad) changes in our legal system. We're completely dependent on it and it's completely broken, and we can't change it because it's the second most powerful lobby, integrated with the first, and the systems for change are run by lawyers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:56 AM (qyfb5)

154 Just FYI willow, the "better place" is metaphorical. I'm *hoping* I don't have to move physically just yet, though that might happen, it's expensive here.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:57 AM (qyfb5)

155 then there are so many offenses he can get your in cuffs if he feels like it Seen on YourFace: The cop said, "You drinking?" I said, "You buying?" We laughed and laughed. Need bail money.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 06:58 AM (0HooB)

156 Draft Watch, Andre Williams, Michael Campanaro, Carlos Fields Jr., I want any one of them to go to the Patriots or the Panthers. Oh, and as to whether Michael Sam is going to be drafted, we'll soon see. I kind of think he will be, or at least picked up as an undrafted free agent.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 10, 2014 06:58 AM (ZshNr)

157 merovign, and the laws seem capricious and overly burdensome for everyone. they should be saved for real issues that Harm others . my comment my be really naive. I'd actually have to spend more time thinking it through. how about laws are reviewed every 10 years, and tossed or saved that would keep all those lawmakers busy and keep some of us safe . lol

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 06:59 AM (nqBYe)

158 Merovign, I wish you the better place, peaceful and easier , physically , financially and other.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 07:01 AM (nqBYe)

159 It's somewhat unpleasant to see an advert for Justin Trudeau right under the time stamp.  We get enough of him up here as it is.

Posted by: O.Butts at May 10, 2014 07:01 AM (ZS2PU)

160 I hope *you* are doing well. I check in now and again but almost never when you are around. Check the end of dead threads. Either one of us is liable to be there. *blows willow a kiss*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:01 AM (0HooB)

161 A "general sunset" for many laws is a good idea, but not without other reforms - they'd just pass a 200,000 page bill every ten years without reading it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:01 AM (qyfb5)

162 146 By the way, I am sick to death of people pointing to Reagan's deficits and equating them to today's. What bothers me is when people bash Nixon for the EPA as someone upthread did. Yes, the EPA today is a horrific agency, the epitome of bureaucratic overreach and extra-legal rule by fiat. I get that, and were it up to me it would be one of the first agencies that I'd abolish completely. However, back in the 70s we needed an EPA. Rivers, actual water filled rivers, were catching on fire because they were so polluted for God's sake. The solution is to authorize any govt agency for a limited amount of time and for a specific purpose and require Congress to proactively reauthorize it when that time's up. Job's done, agency disbands. Not done, reauthorize for another set period of time. The EPA is a problem because it's morphed light years from it's intended purpose.

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 07:03 AM (N/cFh)

163 159 It's somewhat unpleasant to see an advert for Justin Trudeau right under the time stamp. We get enough of him up here as it is.

Posted by: O.Butts at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM (ZS2PU)


Do like I do. Click on the ad, watch the ad while you spam the Liberals with fake names and e-mails.


ace gets a little money and the Liberals are paying.


Win-Win

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 07:03 AM (AC0lD)

164 130 It's possible that who ever helped write that speech was aware of the Dylan quote. Not to imply that Dylan was a conservative or a Republican then, but from what I've read ,the protest movement at that time wasn't really aiming their fire at the GOP so much as at the Democrat Party which they were then trying to infilitrate (and would take over by '72). In 1964, "Republican" still meant "Eisenhower" to most Americans--boring, conformist maybe, but not an object of hate. Also, don't forget--as we're always trying to remind everyone--the Civil Rights Act was largely a Republican act, sizable numbers of blacks still voted GOP, and Strom Thurmond (exhibit A for why the GOP is raycisss) was still a Democrat.... Posted by: JoeyBagels at May 10, 2014 11:43 AM (P76GK) Great answer! There is another possibility, which I have not researched. According to Wikipedia: After being hired in 1954 to host the General Electric Theater, a TV drama series,[65] Reagan soon began to embrace the conservative views of the sponsoring company's officials.[65][66] His many GE speeches—which he wrote himself—were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message; he was influenced by Lemuel Boulware, a senior GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his innovative strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government. So Reagan was already known for giving political speeches before 1964. Could that have been a recycled passage that he had used before? This was right around the time that Dylan ended the "protest singer" phase of his career and broke with the Left. He was already beginning to distance himself from that even as the album was released. Did Dylan pick it up from Reagan? It would be interesting to find out. If Dylan was listening to Reagan at that early date, and being influenced by him, it would cause a lot of peoples' heads to explode.

Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2014 07:04 AM (sdi6R)

165 backwards, i hate being known as the death knell of a post.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 07:04 AM (nqBYe)

166 how about laws are reviewed every 10 years, and tossed or saved Howzabout a built-in five-year sunset provision? If that law is still needed, pass it again. This would also have the added benefit of keeping lawmakers busy so they can't restrict our freedom with new legislation.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:04 AM (0HooB)

167 162. 146.

IOW,  OUR brand of Big Brother Nannystatism is preferable to THEIR brand of Big Brother Nannystatism.

Posted by: Roscoe at May 10, 2014 07:05 AM (YBusZ)

168 162  Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 12:03 PM (N/cFh)


We may have needed the EPA or something like it but the first thing Nixon did was appoint Rucklesnot as the head and he immediately banned DDT despite recommendations from the scientists not to.


That set the tone for the rest of its existence and why it is such a POS today.  Yes, I blame Nixon.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 07:09 AM (T2V/1)

169 The EPA is a problem because it's morphed light years from it's intended purpose. That was me, Weirddave. IIRC, every state pretty much has its own EPA equivalent, so there's no point in an out-of-control federal bureaucracy with its boot on the neck of the economy. And being trillions of dollars in debt should be the perfect selling point for the elimination of entire agencies. Some enterprising group of individuals could make a few political points on this alone, should they choose to do so.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:11 AM (0HooB)

170 137 126
With apologies to all the lawyer-type Morons in the Horde, but isn't it just a little bit of a conflict of interest for lawyers to make laws?

Just a teensy, weensy bit?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 10, 2014 11:41 AM (0HooB)

****

No.  But to think that it is is more than a teensy-weensy bit idiotic.

Using that "reasoning" such as it is, it is also a conflict of interest for surgeons to diagnose the need for surgery. 

Posted by: Roscoe at May 10, 2014 07:13 AM (YBusZ)

171 weirddave, anyway i should thank you for bringing this post. I am going to have my teen watch it this weekend, It really is enlightening and an amzing look at ideas.

Posted by: willow at May 10, 2014 07:14 AM (nqBYe)

172 IIRC, every state pretty much has its own EPA equivalent, so there's no point in an out-of-control federal bureaucracy with its boot on the neck of the economy. Actually, I agree completely, but did these state agencies exist when the EPA was chartered? I honestly don't know, I thought not. If they did, then my point is invalid.

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 07:15 AM (N/cFh)

173 Immigration. Education. The rest is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Posted by: NYC Parent at May 10, 2014 07:15 AM (QprJJ)

174 Using that "reasoning" such as it is, it is also a conflict of interest for surgeons to diagnose the need for surgery. If the surgeons also control the mechanisms for approval, payment and can force the surgery on you, then yes.

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 07:17 AM (N/cFh)

175 Thanks for posting that.  I was a Goldwater fan and have never heard that speech before.  It was very moving and informative.

Posted by: Ivor at May 10, 2014 07:22 AM (QgxQ3)

176 Actually, I agree completely, but did these state agencies exist when the EPA was chartered? I honestly don't know, I thought not. If they did, then my point is invalid. I don't believe they did. I'm of the opinion that that is best administered at the state level, due to variations in geography. I don't recall any state EPA before the big one in DC was created.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:24 AM (0HooB)

177 >>>IOW, OUR brand of Big Brother Nannystatism is preferable to THEIR brand of Big Brother Nannystatism.


Yup. That's exactly what I said.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 07:24 AM (IVgIK)

178 163 Stateless Infidel,
Thanks, that sounds like fun.

Posted by: O.Butts at May 10, 2014 07:25 AM (ZS2PU)

179 Because everyone knows national defense and the nanny state are the same thing.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 07:26 AM (IVgIK)

180 No. But to think that it is is more than a teensy-weensy bit idiotic. Using that "reasoning" such as it is, it is also a conflict of interest for surgeons to diagnose the need for surgery. You might want to try that argument again, except this time try using some logic.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:27 AM (0HooB)

181 I believe Roscoe to be a little light on the logic.

That or heavy on the metals.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 10, 2014 07:31 AM (IVgIK)

182 That or heavy on the metals. Warning: Lead fishing sinkers should never be used as lollipops.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 10, 2014 07:36 AM (0HooB)

183 While these are great speeches, the fact is a majority of Americans today disagree. They don't want freedom. They don't want the ability to live a good life. They want the govt to take care of them from cradle to grave. It sucks balls, but it's reality.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 10, 2014 07:43 AM (eP3P8)

184 With apologies to all the lawyer-type Morons in the Horde, but isn't it just a little bit of a conflict of interest for lawyers to make laws? Just a teensy, weensy bit? ______________ Imagine only car mechanics would get to design cars or only dishwasher repairmen would get to design dishwashers. People would think that's crazy. But lawyers writing laws....sounds perfectly reasonable.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 10, 2014 07:45 AM (eP3P8)

185 Appears the local police and national guard in Mariupol (SE Ukraine) abandoned their posts. The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 3h Ukraine Liveblog: Ukrainian National Guard Barracks Abandoned in Mariupol. http://bit.ly/1hE9Duw Expand Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR 3h #Mariupol: separatists stole an APC from the military base, head to the city council, photo via @Little_Jennys pic.twitter.com/mYGjKaLzGs |EMPR Ukrainian Updates ‏@Ukroblogger 4h #Mariupol: 2nd deserted #Ukrainian armored vehicle (APC); looting now in progress at local military base. #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/jvLo7SkYUQ The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 3h Ukraine Liveblog: Mariupol City Council Building Burnt Overnight. http://bit.ly/RyakPs

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 10, 2014 07:45 AM (ZPrif)

186 Using that "reasoning" such as it is, it is also a conflict of interest for surgeons to diagnose the need for surgery. --- That's why doctors keep amputating your foot if you have diabetic tonsilitis! Medicine is too important to trust to doctors! That's why needed Obamacare.

Posted by: Dr. Obama at May 10, 2014 07:48 AM (ZPrif)

187 I watched it live the week of the election it is simply called "The Speech" IT started the revolution, we lost, but we finally won.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 10, 2014 08:02 AM (0FSuD)

188 No Teleprompter!

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 10, 2014 08:03 AM (0FSuD)

189 33 Yeah, and how did Goldwater repay him? Not my hero. Posted by: Cindy Munford at May 10, 2014 09:46 AM (6MiMG) Goldwater went a little batty in his old age.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 10, 2014 08:05 AM (0FSuD)

190 Gardening thread up.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 08:08 AM (zDsvJ)

191 Because everyone knows national defense and the nanny state are the same thing.

Yell it from the hilltops.

Posted by: Teh GOP at May 10, 2014 08:10 AM (thLL8)

192   180.    "You might want to try that argument again, except this time try using some logic.

No, Backwards, I got the logic just right the first time.

Your suggestion/wish that lawyers be categorically excluded from making laws would have excluded from our history... oh ... John Adams and Lincoln.

The real lapse in logic is to suggest, as you did, that someone like Trey Gowdy and Louie Gohmert, lawyers both, be categorically excluded from Congress.  (As your applies to Gowdy, it is no doubt one that is presently shared by Lois Lerner and a few hundred Democrats.) 

Posted by: Roscoe at May 10, 2014 11:16 AM (YBusZ)

193 184.  Imagine only car mechanics would get to design cars or only dishwasher repairmen would get to design dishwashers. People would think that's crazy.

But lawyers writing laws....sounds perfectly reasonable. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

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I'll fix that for you.

Imagine that cars or dishwashers were only designed by people who ... never used cars or dishwashers.

Put that way, lawyers writing laws....sounds perfectly reasonable.

Posted by: Roscoe at May 10, 2014 11:23 AM (YBusZ)

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