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November 19, 2009

Quinippiac: Public Disapproves of ObamaCare 51-35; Disapproves of Obama's Handling of Issue, 53-41
— Ace

Not the 60% or thereabouts we need to ensure the Democrats back down. But still.

[V]oters disapprove 51 - 35 percent of the health care overhaul passed by the House of Representatives which he has endorsed, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.
Voters disapprove 53 - 41percent of President Obama's handling of health care.

The first finding they report is that voters like Obama personally, but disapprove of his policies. 74% "like" him, 47% "like" most of his policies. Obama's vaunted charm and presence seems to be having the same effect at home as it does abroad, i.e., none at all. I can "like" someone while refusing to support policies detrimental to my interests.

Gallup, meanwhile, attempts to spin a finding that hurts Obama as somehow "ambiguous."

As Congress debates a possible major expansion of health insurance in the United States, Gallup finds 38% of Americans rating healthcare coverage in this country as excellent or good, the highest (by eight percentage points) in the nine-year history of this question, and 12 points above last year's level.

Most of the change since last year involves a shift in Americans' ratings of healthcare coverage from "only fair" to "excellent" or "good." Since last year, the percentage rating healthcare coverage as only fair has declined by 10 points, while the percentage rating it poor has changed little.

Seems to take a lot of the wind out of Obama's sails, eh? If people now realize they've got it pretty good, seems a pretty good sign they don't need the massive changes Obama is proposing.

Gallup suddenly comes down with a case of the stupids and pretends it forgot what the question asked. They asked if people appreciated their health care now, as they have been asking for nine years. But given a finding that hurts Obama, they wonder: Gee, maybe we really asked how health care would be in the future, after Obama's changes take effect.

It is unclear based on the overall data whether this shift could be due to a greater appreciation for the current system among those who think it is threatened by the proposed changes, or perhaps an anticipation of better days ahead from those who support the changes.

Um, by the terms of the question itself, dear, it is not "unclear" at all. Pollsters often ask about people's belief about how things will be in the future. They did not do so here.

Gallup's headline for this references "Greater Optimism" on health care, optimism being a forward-looking word that implies a belief about the future.

The correct word, which they did not choose, is Satisfaction. The question asks not about optimism for the future but satisfaction in the present.

What is the point of polling people at all if Gallup is going to disregard the answers people provide, and even set aside the questions they themselves ask?

Hey, as long as we're making stuff up, maybe most of those people saying health care is poor are really talking about the future under ObamaCare, too.

Thanks to AHFF Geoff.

Posted by: Ace at 09:00 AM | Comments (229)
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1 Keep f^%$ing that chicken.

Posted by: wHodat at November 19, 2009 09:03 AM (+sBB4)

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...or perhaps an anticipation of better days ahead from those who support the changes.

Are they serious? That is the most convoluted interpretation of a poll I've seen in a while.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 19, 2009 09:06 AM (jVldi)

3 I wonder how many of the 74% who claim to "like" him personally are merely saying it to feel socially acceptable. After having been told for so long that anyone who opposes Teh Won must be racist, maybe they're withholding their true opinions to avoid appearing so.

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Posted by: F**cked Chicken at November 19, 2009 09:06 AM (LdYLm)

5 3 I wonder how many of the 74% who claim to "like" him personally are merely saying it to feel socially acceptable. After having been told for so long that anyone who opposes Teh Won must be racist, maybe they're withholding their true opinions to avoid appearing so.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 19, 2009 02:06 PM (1Iiqg)

BINGO!

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 19, 2009 09:07 AM (OtQXp)

6 these cock-happy assholes know their fake mandate is finished, and they have only a few months to get on the record as having "tried to fix the problem."

Posted by: vinman at November 19, 2009 09:08 AM (HOYRo)

7 maybe most of those people saying health care is poor are really talking about the future under ObamaCare, too.

Did they break down respondents by income or age? Curious if the people who think their health care sucks are paying for any of it themselves.

Their care won't get any better under Obamacare, but at least they'll have the smug satisfaction of knowing all those jerks with jobs are getting shitty care, too.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 19, 2009 09:08 AM (NtiET)

8 Did you really need to underline EVERYTHING?

Posted by: FUBAR at November 19, 2009 09:08 AM (fstYb)

9
Okay, so when Obama is a lame duck president and has, say, 35% approval ratings, Gallup can say perhaps that low rating is in anticipation of the next president, who is not as awesome as Obama?

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 19, 2009 09:09 AM (jVldi)

10 @8, I don't see any underlines.

Posted by: Mike H at November 19, 2009 09:09 AM (LdYLm)

11 When I look up at the sky when it is raining, my eyes fill with water.

Posted by: Independent 1 at November 19, 2009 09:10 AM (LdYLm)

Gallup? Gotta pay 'em for good work.

Posted by: Barry Obama at November 19, 2009 09:10 AM (ia/06)

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Posted by: kathysaysso at November 19, 2009 09:11 AM (ZtwUX)

15 Or I could RTFA, but the way they break down income doesn't really answer my question.

Who are these 9% who "haven't heard enough" about Barry to form an opinion?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 19, 2009 09:11 AM (NtiET)

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17 So Gallup is spinning their own polls, can't they trust the media to do that for them anymore?

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2009 09:12 AM (5ddCw)

18 Q: Who are these 9% who "haven't heard enough" about Barry to form an opinion?

A: Cowardly fencepost sitters.

Posted by: kathysaysso at November 19, 2009 09:13 AM (ZtwUX)

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Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2009 09:14 AM (M/d1F)

20 Without the media propping him up, Obama's numbers would have headed south faster than a runaway horse.

(See what I did there?)

Posted by: kathysaysso at November 19, 2009 09:15 AM (ZtwUX)

21 I like President Obama becuase he is not like the scary Black men that sit next to me on the bus.

Posted by: Independent 2 at November 19, 2009 09:16 AM (LdYLm)

22 He's articulate.

Posted by: Biden at November 19, 2009 09:18 AM (ia/06)

23 Independent 2, I thought you died on Nov 2, 2008

Posted by: Wingdings at November 19, 2009 09:18 AM (+sBB4)

Today we will study comparisons.

Without the media propping him up, Obama's numbers would have headed south faster than a runaway horse.

Racist!

I like President Obama becuase he is not like the scary Black men that sit next to me on the bus.

Racister!

He's articulate.

RACISTIST!

Posted by: My 8th grade english teacher at November 19, 2009 09:19 AM (ia/06)

25 Why can't I show my face on any website? Dingists.

Posted by: Wingdings at November 19, 2009 09:20 AM (+sBB4)

26 @23 Independent 2, I thought you died on Nov 2, 2008

Didn't stop me from voting!

Posted by: Independent 2 at November 19, 2009 09:21 AM (LdYLm)

27 I wish RCP orJay Cost would weight or index these polling organizations by their recent measured performance. We could then have a confidence score to reference everytime a new poll came out, instead of referencing Gallups' 17th place finish which doesn't give me a handle on how wrong the current product might be.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2009 09:21 AM (5ddCw)

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) now disapprove.

Rasmussen poll

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 19, 2009 09:25 AM (JKGfQ)

Michelle still looks like a wookie, Obama is a tool

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30 Fellow Morons! He (Soetero) doesn't care about the polls. He's a kamikaze. Plain and simple.

Posted by: slade at November 19, 2009 09:28 AM (XsHAM)

31 @25 Why can't I show my face on any website? Dingists.

I don't mean to be glyph, and don't be cursive, but italics roman wherever they want.

Posted by: Italics at November 19, 2009 09:28 AM (LdYLm)

32 Kamikaze Marxist

Posted by: wHodat at November 19, 2009 09:30 AM (+sBB4)

33 Being stupid is its own reward

Posted by: Independent 3 at November 19, 2009 09:31 AM (LdYLm)

34 Kamikaze Marxist

I prefer the term Totalitarian. It has more syllables and my peeps don't know what it means.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 19, 2009 09:32 AM (ZtwUX)

35 74% "like" him

The "black bag" dirty tricks guys need to work on constructing scenarios for Obama to stumble into that might precipitate a public narcissistic rage blowup before the next election.

If he flies off the handle on camera and starts swearing like a Master Chief at a group of congenital fuck ups or physically assaults someone, the "aura" will be gone and all that likability stuff will plunge.

Two blowups would be better than one, cuz that would be a trend, but even one might have his handlers actively working to sequester and isolate him in the future.

Obama minus the ability to stump in public == ZERO.

If Obama were forced into the bunker by his handlers, that is something the media would notice.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 19, 2009 09:40 AM (eESb/)

36 Kamikaze Marxist -- I believe the correct term is Vanguard of the Proletariat.

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2009 09:45 AM (7K04W)

37 Even though his numbers are down, he still tingles my leg, so dreamy he is....

Posted by: Maturbating Chris Matthews at November 19, 2009 09:47 AM (LLOGQ)

38 74% "like" him

That should send a chill up everyone's spine, whatever the reason for this. If they really like him, then they are just too stupid for words. If they are saying it to not appear "racist", then this nation is fatally infected with white-guilt which will surely kill us.

The Precedent has no real likable qualities about him, at all. He's a prick, by every measure.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 19, 2009 09:51 AM (A46hP)

39 I think they should just go all out and replace Hail to the Chief with The Internationale. They are barely even trying to hide it anymore anyhow.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 19, 2009 09:55 AM (s2bW4)

If he flies off the handle on camera and starts swearing like a Master Chief at a group of congenital fuck ups or physically assaults someone, the "aura" will be gone and all that likability stuff will plunge.

He has "people" for that.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 19, 2009 09:58 AM (JKGfQ)

41 The Precedent has no real likable qualities about him, at all. He's a prick, by every measure.

And remember: Palin's "likability" is something that should make us, um, not like her. Or something.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 19, 2009 10:03 AM (yUybe)

42 74% "like" him

But do they like me like me?

Posted by: Barry O at November 19, 2009 10:04 AM (NtiET)

43 @35 PA

The "black bag" dirty tricks guys need to work on constructing scenarios for Obama to stumble into that might precipitate a public narcissistic rage blowup before the next election.

A rehearsed group heckling would do the trick.

Posted by: MikeO at November 19, 2009 10:06 AM (dYNrR)

44 What happens if they take "Obama" out of the question?

Gallup knew they would get crappy numbers if they asked about the policy itself. Asking about Obama's policies gets better numbers.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2009 10:15 AM (T0NGe)

Gallup finds 38% of Americans rating healthcare coverage in this country as excellent or good, the highest (by eight percentage points) in the nine-year history of this question, and 12 points above last year's level.

It's kind of like your shitty, pain-in-the-ass job that you suddenly learn to appreciate when word of layoffs comes.

Doesn't look so shitty now, does it? Not when you see friends on unemployment.

Everything is relative. I'm glad to see at least some people recognize that the best health care system in the world maybe doesn't suck so awful much.

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