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September 18, 2008

Query: Where did the Hacker Get Palin's Email Address From?
— Ace

Remember when the Democrats improperly released that big file on Palin containing much of her personal information? Including most of her Social Security number?

They released Palin's Yahoo account identification, and the Washington Post printed it. On September 10th.

Whoops: Actually, the WaPo printed the very close address gov.sarah@yahoo.com -- and it only takes a minor guess to then try gov.palin@yahoo.com, which was the hacked account.

Mary Katharine Ham actually alerted me to this two minutes after I posted, but I've been working on something else and said, "Meh, I don't give a fuck. Close enough." (I never lied to you -- much.)

Now I see Allah is mentioning my error, so I guess I have to note it.

What am I working on?

Oh, I'm not working on anything per se. I am in the loop, though, on a moderately sized story which will likely be picked up by the MSM. Done by one of the blogosphere's own. It's not Rathegate II, as I first thought, but it's big-ish.

Someone, somewhere, is going to have to answer some questions.

Developing...

Posted by: Ace at 02:28 PM | Comments (82)
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1 Might be as simple as just guessing a yahoo account and plugging names in.

Posted by: vanderleun at September 18, 2008 02:31 PM (s0k8A)

2 Ace --- One of MMalkin's readers exchanged emails with the AP tool (complaining about his "raising questions" about her using an independent email account) here is his response (which can found at Malkins top right side bar - not pasting "long" url) From: Bridis, Ted TBridis@ap.org To: Subject: RE: Palins email theft If Gov. Palin hadnt been using a consumer-level Yahoo! account (more than one, actually) this crime wouldnt have happened because the hacker exploited the services forgot-my-password mechanism, which is inherently insecure. Previously disclosed e-mails indicate her administration embraced Yahoo! Accounts, among other reasons, because of questions over whether personal e-mail accounts are covered under Alaskas Open Records Act. Palins critics in Alaska were poring over records they had obtained from the governors office of official internal e-mail communications and causing political hay. The issues are inextricably linked.

Posted by: topsecretk9 at September 18, 2008 02:34 PM (KoJZf)

3 I don't think so... I know that I had seen the address tossed around in things that I read, which is mostly MSM and right-of-center blogs. It wasn't some obscure bit of info.

Posted by: DaveS at September 18, 2008 02:35 PM (pGdsh)

In a related note, John J. Haley is a Piece of Fucking Shit.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 18, 2008 02:35 PM (ul7te)

5 Lucy Ramirez gave it to him.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at September 18, 2008 02:35 PM (MMC8r)

6 He would have needed to know that the account(s) were called "gov.palin" and "gov.sarah". It would be interesting to see if those names were in the file that the Democrats released.

Posted by: Evil Pundit at September 18, 2008 02:35 PM (//eLA)

7 "gov.palin" seems like a logical guess to me.

Then again, I'm no Vulcan.

Posted by: Gran at September 18, 2008 02:38 PM (mTWN+)

8 Read what the AP tool said: Previously disclosed e-mails indicate her administration embraced Yahoo! Accounts, among other reasons, because of questions over whether personal e-mail accounts are covered under Alaskas Open Records Act. Palins critics in Alaska were poring over records they had obtained from the governors office of official internal e-mail communications and causing political hay. By critics, he's not clear if he means the press or DNC smear merchants, but I repeat myslef

Posted by: topsecretk9 at September 18, 2008 02:41 PM (KoJZf)

9 Ode to Loads I Dish my Daily wisdom from the shores of The Atlantic, A Swishy Sailor's jism up my "back door" makes me frantic. The seaman's semen sears me as his "harpoon" goes ass-whaling, The milky spear shoots through me like my pen impaling Palin.

Posted by: Lord Alfred Tennyson at September 18, 2008 02:41 PM (1Ndcb)

The congressional democrats wanted to get Rove's government e-mails, they got them. Then they wanted Rove's personals, and complained about how he was constantly moving around from one place to another, because use of government computers and bandwidth for personal, or political (getting people elected) purposes was illegal.

AP wants to make an issue of this, Fuck them, and by claiming it's important makes them accessories.

serve a warrant and cart those fuckers off.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 18, 2008 02:42 PM (ul7te)

11 This guy sounds like plausible deniability to me.

Posted by: eman at September 18, 2008 02:42 PM (TE1SV)

12 2: I like the AP guy's rationalization: according to his logic, a chick that gets raped because she's dressed like a whore, drank a few bottles of Val-U-Rite and then went walking in a bad neighborhood deserved to get raped because all of those events were "inextricably linked." After all, if she hadn't dressed like a whore, or gotten Scot-blind (by doing eye-shots), and then went for a stroll in a shitty 'hood, she probably wouldn't have gotten raped, because it's as much her fault as the rapists. Are these people fucking for real?!

Posted by: ECM at September 18, 2008 02:43 PM (q3V+C)

Pictures of the kids!

FUCKING SCANDAL!!

Contact information for her eldest daughter?

WHAT A TWAT!

Being friends with someone she worked with!

IT'S A FUCKING CONSPIRACY I TELL YA!!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 18, 2008 02:47 PM (ul7te)

14 Jesus wouldn't use a Yahoo email account.

Posted by: Bart at September 18, 2008 02:51 PM (w3NmV)

15 It's getting tedious seeing so many idiots worried that she used it for official business - with no proof mind you, but I was thinking...isn't it difficult to access your "official" work email on the road at least sometimes? Another OT question, is gwaker in shit for having actually knowingly dialing a stolen a technicalminor's private number, then posting the recording of it? maybe not, but seems like there is some problem there. Also, If this Dave is the perp, what's up with the children of elected Democrats? Recall the son of some dem slashing all the van tires? Do they indoctrinate them as vigilantes or something?

Posted by: topsecretk9 at September 18, 2008 02:51 PM (KoJZf)

16 Sandy Berger says: "Nothing to see here, move along"

Posted by: parrothead at September 18, 2008 02:51 PM (M8IKP)

17 Who cares about his brown skin...it's his brown shirts that are freaking me the F out

Posted by: MoronThisLater at September 18, 2008 02:51 PM (PbkDy)

ECM- I was about to post nearly the exact same thing. And the shit about Yahoo! being easy to crack? So, if I lock my house, but I have no alarm system, that means I was asking for a break in? Fuck the AP.

Posted by: PDizzle at September 18, 2008 02:52 PM (btpzp)

19 The yelling and screaming from the people oh so concerned about privacy is just deafening.

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 18, 2008 02:54 PM (fE4SP)

It never works lorien, thousands of comments and posts were put up by people with education in the law about all of the illegaly printed stories about the "illegal wiretaps" but nobody fucking cared.

They pick the issue, truth be damned.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 18, 2008 02:56 PM (ul7te)

21 I'm beginning to wonder what the point of all this is. Sure, we can ferret out all these facts on hundreds of issues ... But we have no way to get them out to the public at large, beyond the tiny conservative blog community. We can't even get most MSM reporters to read our blogs, much less act on the information within them.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 18, 2008 02:57 PM (Rn2+D)

22 We'll have answers to all these questions once the Feds scour his hard drive.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 18, 2008 02:59 PM (4ZOxD)

Insty put up a link on this story

NASHVILLE TENNESSEAN: State rep confirms that son is subject of Palin e-mail chatter. A UT-Knoxville student, no less. Should've studied harder . . . .

UPDATE: Do journalists care about your privacy if you aren't a terrorist? "Here we have an actual invasion of an American citizen's privacy, and what is the press's attitude? If the AP is representative (and given its organizational structure, it should be), it is to regard 'questions about the propriety' of the victim as more important than the invasion of privacy itself." That depends. Had Obama's email been hacked by a Republican, it would be Watergate all over again. . . .

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Also found

Old video (30 sec) clip of Father at work: (dull)

http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/articles/2008/09/dirty-tricks-palin-email-break-in/

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 18, 2008 03:01 PM (2PwTK)

24 If for some reason, God forbid, the donks get in, I have 8 years plus of pay back saved up. Seriously, I'm so sick of those shits.

Posted by: Booben at September 18, 2008 03:07 PM (tyxqh)

25 Looks like the WaPo just turned the target illuminator on itself.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 18, 2008 03:32 PM (6L459)

Seems to me that the Palin family has a pretty good basis for a MASSIVE lawsuit. Against the DNC AND the AP AND WAPO. Bankrupt the lot of em.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Like a moose on ice.

Posted by: todler at September 18, 2008 03:33 PM (zg2FL)

27 So this story you're working on is good news?

Posted by: Manco at September 18, 2008 03:39 PM (5NPS1)

28 Allah is saying the email address listed in the WaPo was gov.sarah not gov.palin, the one hacked. Did the hacker just guess?

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 03:40 PM (+osns)

Hmmm, Allah points out that the hacked email is not the one released in the Washington post.

They are both close so maybe he was just blasting around?

gov.sarah@yahoo.com. vs. gov.palin@yahoo.com

Posted by: Arandomperson at September 18, 2008 03:41 PM (2PwTK)

30 I hate it when people do that...don't tease us...give us a hint.

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 03:42 PM (+osns)

31 It's bad.

But not for us.

It's not huge. I want to stress that. It is not huge. It's modestly sized.

But it isn't good for the bad buys.

Posted by: ace at September 18, 2008 03:42 PM (1WR4H)

heh, I was too slow. Ace already noted it.

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 18, 2008 03:44 PM (2PwTK)

Ace,

When will it be released? Tonight? Tomorrow? Next week? More hints, please.

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 03:48 PM (+osns)

Developing...

I got a tingle!

Posted by: runninrebel at September 18, 2008 03:49 PM (o/KrO)

35 OK, let me get this right:

Gov. Palin is required to conduct all government business on a government account so when the inevitable fishing expedition comes the emails can be subpoenaed. Fine, I'll buy it.

But if she conducts political or personal business on the government account, she will break the law too.

So she sets up a personal account. But the very existence of the personal account is prima facie evidence of a coverup.

So tell me, how exactly is this not a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation?

Oh, and the AP should be broken up under antitrust laws.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 18, 2008 03:49 PM (T0NGe)

36 Hmm. What would be bad, but not super bad... maybe some muckraking instructions? Birth certificate punking? O what could it be....

Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2008 03:50 PM (7sl9X)

37 I'm guessing Dr. Shackelford is working on something regarding terrorist ties.

Posted by: Editor at September 18, 2008 03:52 PM (p4YSL)

38 Apparently Obama's gmail account got hacked as well - here's a screenshot.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 18, 2008 03:56 PM (hn7Rm)

39 So do you get that special tingle up your leg with MKH sends you an email?

I would.

Posted by: JWF at September 18, 2008 03:56 PM (29kbu)

40 from the original at Malkin's --- i am the lurker who did it, and i would like to tell the story. In the past couple days news had come to light about palin using a yahoo mail account, it was in news stories and such, a thread was started full of newfags trying to do something that would not get this off the ground, for the next 2 hours the acct was locked from password recovery presumably from all this bullshit spamming.------ I seriously need some translation for dipshits (like WTF is "newfags" exactly mean in this Chan world and just general interpretation)

Posted by: topsecretk9 at September 18, 2008 03:58 PM (KoJZf)

41 "Posted by: ECM at September 18, 2008 07:43 PM (q3V+C)"

So, by that logic, if this ted guy from AP gets punched in the face, and say,,oh,, gets a broken nose, he can't sue because it's his fault his nose was in the way?

Ok,,works for me.

Posted by: Ann at September 18, 2008 04:00 PM (c3H+i)

Someone, somewhere, is going to have to answer some questions.

Oh please.... you mean a question like "Mr. Obama, on a scale of 1 to 10 how sexy are you?"

Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 18, 2008 04:01 PM (C2//T)

43 You know if the shoe were on the other foot and it was a Republican's son who had hacked Joe Biden's account the MSM would be all over John McCain to apologise for somebody else's acts. I wonder when will here them ask the O! about all of this. Yeah, I know, crickets.

Posted by: JimK at September 18, 2008 04:03 PM (BBfhK)

Goddamn I fucking love this cloak and dagger shit.

Oh, and cocksucker. That most profane conservative blog trophy isn't just going to put itself on ace's mantle...

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 18, 2008 04:07 PM (4ZOxD)

45 "Someone, somewhere, is going to have to answer some questions."

Yeah, if it's a conservative.

If you're a liberal, the questions never seem to get asked. (e.g. Sandy Berger etc.)

As they say, Good luck with that.

Posted by: right at September 18, 2008 04:08 PM (EquV1)

46 I don't know when it will be ready. At the moment, the trail stops before he gets to the bigger fish. There's obvious circumstantial/inferential evidence, but he wants more.

I am trying to figure out how to shake the tree and advance the ball forward.

What I need, actually, is an election lawyer, willing to do a little pro-boner work looking over some folks' disclosures.

If this guy can't move it past the circumstantial/inferential phase, he'll publish and let the media take it from there. (HAH!!!!)

Posted by: ace at September 18, 2008 04:13 PM (1WR4H)

47 Everything I posted on the earlier thread, I take back.

I still don't think we should slam on the depressed kid, but as far as anyone else can be nailed hard on this, let rip.

I apologize for my earlier measured and cautious sentiments.

Posted by: ArrMatey at September 18, 2008 04:14 PM (35LYA)

48 "It's not huge. I want to stress that. It is not huge. It's modestly sized." I think the vernacular for that is "close to 8 inches."

Posted by: notropis at September 18, 2008 04:18 PM (7E2p7)

49 ace ... election lawyer, not my specialty but fair amount of experience ... if you have my email from the log in - and want some help - i could try - or hook you up with some friends who do nothing but ...

Posted by: ja at September 18, 2008 04:22 PM (iVJ0d)

50 Always follow the money. In Democrat politics the money always leads back to George Soros. Soros is involved in hedge funds via all them financial firms going up in smoke...Hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: The Oracle at September 18, 2008 04:24 PM (p8VUa)

51 willing to do a little pro-boner work

I'm not a lawyer but I'm in!!!

Posted by: Tom at September 18, 2008 04:25 PM (o/KrO)

52 i don't have your email... I appreciate the offer, but I just need some way to know you're on the right team. This is sort of sensitive, so I wouldn't want to inadvertently give a head's up to the bad guys.

Is there any way someone I've heard of (some prominent repub.) could vouch?

I hope you understand.

Posted by: ace at September 18, 2008 04:25 PM (1WR4H)

53 Sure, ace, just ask Larry Craig about me. We go wayyyyy back.

Posted by: Tom at September 18, 2008 04:27 PM (o/KrO)

54 Developing...

You're such a tease...

Posted by: Booben at September 18, 2008 04:29 PM (tyxqh)

55 What I need, actually, is an election lawyer, willing to do a little pro-boner work looking over some folks' disclosures.

Aren't disclosures online? How about Indy or Beldar?

Posted by: Booben at September 18, 2008 04:31 PM (tyxqh)

56 http://ace.mu.nu/archives/david_kernellph.php

Posted by: ace at September 18, 2008 04:31 PM (1WR4H)

Ace,

Put the word out to Allah who has an inside track to Michelle who probably knows how to reach Karl who in turn can provide the name of an election lawyer you can trust. Simple really.

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 04:32 PM (+osns)

58 Forget Beldar. He's still recovering from Ike.

Posted by: Booben at September 18, 2008 04:32 PM (tyxqh)

59 Ace, do you have an email address I can contact you at?

Posted by: Tabris at September 18, 2008 04:33 PM (SZynM)

60 Heh. I'll be rooting for you to get where you want to go. If you need any non-legal assistance I'm down. I've do quite a bit of white-hat tech work if that's involved at all. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Rasputin at September 18, 2008 04:33 PM (tunH+)

61 http://ace.mu.nu/archives/david_kernellph.php

I new REALMUSCLEGLUTES was involved in this somehow.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 18, 2008 04:34 PM (o/KrO)

and ... I don't really want to publish my name for all to see. if interested, you can email me at acereader99@yahoo.com - which is the lame email name i just created. I'll tell you who I am and then you can decide what to do.

Posted by: ja at September 18, 2008 04:37 PM (iVJ0d)

63 And to elaborate, I am an elections attorney and I can put you in contact with people who can possibly help out.

Posted by: Tabris at September 18, 2008 04:38 PM (SZynM)

Put the word out to Allah who has an inside track to Michelle who probably knows how to reach Karl who in turn can provide the name of an election lawyer you can trust. Simple really.

So Ace has a Rove number of 3. I was afraid he'd be a little lower in the food chain.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 18, 2008 04:40 PM (hn7Rm)

Ace,

From a commenter at JOM

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/09/election-fraud-control.html

and

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-goes-after-vote-fraud.html

I can't vouch for Simon personally, but he is a regular at Tom's place.

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 04:43 PM (+osns)

So Ace has a Rove number of 3.

Uggg...math...

Posted by: Sue at September 18, 2008 04:45 PM (+osns)

As long as the scoop's nickname isn't "Glutes-gate", I'm interested.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 18, 2008 04:52 PM (vNd/9)

68 i worked for the bush/cheney election effort in '04 and write for a blog you frequently link to ... if that helps

Posted by: ja at September 18, 2008 04:52 PM (iVJ0d)

69 I can vouch for Simon. Not only is he a genius, but he is also a nice guy.

Posted by: M. Simon at September 18, 2008 05:13 PM (OANt1)

We got a whole range of lawyers. Fat. Skinny. Fat on top, skinny down below. Skinny on top, fat down below (discount). Male. Female. Used to be a female, then a male, then back to female (extra charge).

Posted by: Lawyers R Us at September 18, 2008 06:01 PM (xU01p)

71 SCUMBAG PIG FANNY SCOUNDREL OFF WITH HIS HEAD

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at September 18, 2008 07:22 PM (JtXzZ)

72 As a Concerned Christian Conservative who makes about $140k/year and has doubts about Palin and looks forward to tax relief from Obama, I'd love to contribute to the mid-sized-scandal-to-be-that-might-get-MSM-coverage.

Posted by: ConcernedChristianConservative at September 18, 2008 07:54 PM (KxrcH)

73 If you forget your Yahoo e-mail password, they ask you to answer other "security" questions to verify your identity and then let you change your password. You don't deal with a human to straighten it out. I had to do this with my gmail account once.

My theory: He probably didn't guess or get her actual password (although some rumors are stating she used one of the two Wasilla zip codes as her pw). You set up the security questions and answers when you create the account. They are usually personal. The kid guessed the answers based on what is known about Palin and what can easily be looked up about her now. He changed the e-mail password, grabbed the e-mails in her account and published them.

I see it as a case of identity theft, fraud, invasion of privacy, and unlawful entry. Basically, the kid took on Palin's identity to get into and take over her Yahoo e-mail account.

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