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November 19, 2009

PPP Poll: Obama Under 50%, at 49%-46%
— Ace

And on health care?

Overall 49% of voters express approval of Obamas work with 46% disapproving. He has the support of 83% of Democrats, 47% of independents, and 10% of Republicans.
...
Hurting Obamas overall reviews is that for the first time in our polling we find a
majority of Americans opposed to his health care plan. 40% say they support it with 52% opposed, including 58% of independents.
This is the first time President Obamas approval rating has dropped below 50% in our polling, said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. It does seem that the health care issue is hurting him some with independents who voted for him last year.

Gallup just emailed me: Maybe people actually approve of his health-care plan but are registering disapproval of a hypothetical future Republican filibuster of the plan.

Related: 76% of Californians oppose the proposed reduction in mammograms.

Not a good data-point for a president proposing cutting a whole swath of "unnecessary" testing.

Thanks to AHFF Geoff again.

Posted by: Ace at 10:19 AM | Comments (81)
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>>and 10% of Republicans

SPLITTERS!!!!!

Posted by: Triumph at November 19, 2009 10:20 AM (lDdA/)

2 He's got to get to about 35 before the GOP can expect to defeat him.

Posted by: Truman North at November 19, 2009 10:21 AM (e8YaH)

3 that true truman, unless the GOP gets a competitive ground game up and running in 12

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at November 19, 2009 10:24 AM (kmIoM)

ACORN gets him about +7, the media will account for about +7, amnesty for crimmigrants will be something like +10-12. Incumbency has it's priveledges. Worst-case scenario for throwing this turkey out is the GOP starts in a 30-point hole.

And don't get me started if the nominee is someone like Tim Pawlenty or Huckabee. Totally possible with open primaries and electoral shenanigans like we saw in Florida in 2008. It might be mathematically impossible for the Republican to overcome Obama's home-field advantage.

Posted by: Truman North at November 19, 2009 10:25 AM (e8YaH)

>>and 10% of Republicans

SPLITTERS!!!!!

Hey, where do you think I came from?

Posted by: DeeDee Scuzzyflava at November 19, 2009 10:26 AM (ujg0T)

I'm not sure what will shake him more, this or not being voted People's sexiest man alive.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2009 10:26 AM (RZ8pf)

7 I don't trust the Health Care poll numbers. I expect the questions to be something like "Do you want free world class health care?".

Posted by: gau at November 19, 2009 10:26 AM (n1uMU)

8 Polls?

Summon the meteors strippers!

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 10:28 AM (muUqs)

9 I'm not sure what will shake him more, this or not being voted People's sexiest man alive.

He didn't win that one? I guess M'chelle barely edged him out, too bad.

Posted by: gau at November 19, 2009 10:28 AM (n1uMU)

10 He's got to get to about 35 before the GOP can expect to defeat him.

Posted by: Truman North at November 19, 2009 03:21 PM (e8YaH)

Give him time. He's only been fucking things up for 10 months. Although if the Republicans win big next year he'll run against them and blame them for everything and the lame stream media will dutifully spout that propaganda.

Posted by: TheQuietman at November 19, 2009 10:28 AM (1Jaio)

11 He's got to get to about 35 before the GOP can expect to defeat him.

Posted by: Truman North at November 19, 2009 03:21 PM (e8YaH)

Posted by: TheQuietman at November 19, 2009 10:29 AM (1Jaio)

12 So what?

The rate of his popularity decline seems to have levelled off, and I'm entirely clear on what a less-than-50% popularity rating actually "means".

At best it gives a little more cover for moderate Democrats to step away from him more, but there is no magic "line" where that happens.

Posted by: looking closely at November 19, 2009 10:29 AM (PwGfd)

13 Wait until people have to wait in line to get $5/ gallon gas. I think Obama's poll numbers will take a hit then.

Posted by: gau at November 19, 2009 10:31 AM (n1uMU)

14 and 10% of Republicans

Let me guess. They polled 20 Republicans and 2 of them were Snowe and Collins.

Posted by: Rocks at November 19, 2009 10:31 AM (Q1lie)

15 Foreclosures rising to frightening levels, the administration dropping hints of a double-dip recession, unemployment in the teens. His real number is more likely 38-40%. Also- a double dip is completely on Dear Leader and these idiotic socialist policies- and people are getting wise to it. He will never see 50% again unless he cuts taxes and regulations to spur real growth- yeah right!

Posted by: jjshaka at November 19, 2009 10:32 AM (a4fs2)

16 Someone mention this yesterday I often wonder this myself.
I have this feeling that Gallup has "fire walled" President Right Angle at 50% and doing there best to keep him dipping below 50.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 19, 2009 10:34 AM (fUNEl)

17 That 10% of republicans? It's just Fatty McButterpants ass.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and Sometimes Meteors at November 19, 2009 10:34 AM (erIg9)

18 The Republicans should allow "Cap and Trade" and "Obamacare" to become law. After the mess created, the dems and the media would be totally dis-credited ensuring the Repubs would regain control of the government.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 10:36 AM (muUqs)

After the mess created...

We passed "mess" about three exits back.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 19, 2009 10:37 AM (B+qrE)

20 I would argue that Obama's 50% approval rating is actually similar to Bush's 29% or whatever. There is a large contingent of the Republican party who are unashamed to publicly criticize a President from their party, personally. The same cannot be said of the Democrats I don't think. If the question is one of personal approval then Democrats will always say they approve of a Democratic President, even if they hate every one of his policies.

If Obama is below 50% that must mean a very large majority of Independents no longer approve.

Posted by: Rocks at November 19, 2009 10:37 AM (Q1lie)

21 PPP only just now figured out folks want no part of Obamacare? Have they been living under a rock?

Posted by: Methos at November 19, 2009 10:38 AM (CoDwG)

The Republicans should allow "Cap and Trade" and "Obamacare" to become law. After the mess created, the dems and the media would be totally dis-credited ensuring the Repubs would regain control of the government.

Sorry, no. Republicans win when they actually fight, otherwise the feeling that "there's not a dime's worth of difference" takes hold.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 19, 2009 10:39 AM (ujg0T)

23 18 The Republicans should allow "Cap and Trade" and "Obamacare" to become law. After the mess created, the dems and the media would be totally dis-credited ensuring the Repubs would regain control of the government.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 03:36 PM (muUqs)

Fuck that. Once that shit is in place, it ain't EVER going away. Do you really think the republicans would ever willingly cut their own throats by repealing ObamaoCare?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and Sometimes Meteors at November 19, 2009 10:39 AM (erIg9)

24 Dr. Spank, I think I prefer the plan where we stop them from destroying the country and run against what they tried to do. There's not much point to governing smoldering ruins (Don't forget that poll with 45% of doctors looking to spontaneously retire if Obamacare passes. We really are peering into the abyss here.).

Posted by: Methos at November 19, 2009 10:42 AM (CoDwG)

25 Maybe this is the reason why

Posted by: Matthew at November 19, 2009 10:42 AM (p7/PA)

26 10% of republicans? 10%? Jeebers, who are these people? I mean, I'm one of those, what a lot of you like to call a, squishy independent. Mainly because I changed my registration after being "let down" so many times by so called republicans. But how someone can call themselves a republican (have they ever read the platform?) and approve of this guy, someone summon the meteors, please.

Posted by: teej at November 19, 2009 10:44 AM (QdUKm)

teej, exactly right. If someone is a Republican and approves of Obama, then he is either not a Republican, or does not approve of Obama.

Come to think of it, though, most elected Republicans don't seem to understand the platform.

Posted by: Truman North, unenrolled conservative at November 19, 2009 10:46 AM (e8YaH)

28 Fuck that. Once that shit is in place, it ain't EVER going away. Do you really think the republicans would ever willingly cut their own throats by repealing ObamaoCare?

I think everyone who now has coverage will have poorer coverage after Obamacare passes. Since 250 million people are already covered, that's going to be a lot of pissed off people. Cap and Trade will raise energy costs and kill jobs. Again, a lot of pissed off people. So, yes to your question. Democrats need to be exposed.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 10:48 AM (muUqs)

What has to be very scary for Obama's political people is the fact that not only is he losing support, the support is softening.

If you look at Rasmussen, Obama's down to 46% approval. When you break it down further, 26% Strongly Approve and 20% Somewhat Approve.

It's not a huge leap to go from "somewhat approve" to "somewhat disapprove." I'd say all it takes is another year or two to forget about G.W. Bush.

Here's one point I haven't heard mentioned by anyone:

The GOP's number one challenge is escaping the shadow of George W. Bush.

Wouldn't the party have the BEST CHANCE to escape the Bush Legacy by nominating an outsider candidate with a HUGE PERSONALITY (a Reagan-type), who can fundamentally reshape the party in his/her own image?

I wonder if a boring, run-of-the-mill Republican candidate won't be an easier target - easier to pigeonhole and paint with the "Bush" brush.

I don't buy all of the talk about 2016 - I think 2012 will provide the GOP with its best shot to GO ROGUE with a truly conservative candidate. Look at the Reagan Revolution - it took place just six years after the total and utter decimation of the GOP (1974).

Unless my math is wrong 2012 will be six years after the 2006 bloodbath that gave the Donkeys the House and Senate.

Posted by: stickety at November 19, 2009 10:55 AM (Jg5C9)

30 Obama is using women's breasts as dice to gamble that he can save money by deferring mammograms, which may result in women dying from cancer, but there are no death panels in Obamacare. Riiiiiiiight.

Posted by: Crusty at November 19, 2009 11:05 AM (GvSpB)

10% of republicans? 10%? Jeebers, who are these people?

Neener neener neener! Me and my fatboobs!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 19, 2009 11:06 AM (ujg0T)

32 Nope, I think we're at the top of the big hill, the rollie coaster is just coming over the top and is about to seriously begin plunging.

Obamule is headed for 37 or so percent by mid January, and his nifty lil' date night on St. Valentine's day will be covered by about 3 journ-o-lists.

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at November 19, 2009 12:02 PM (zN9bC)

33 I love how denying me the "right" to have a completely paid-for abortion is dangerous to my health, but keeping me from getting a mammogram until I'm 50 (and maybe not even then) is just fucking terrific...because I might freak out over a false positive for a bit until the biopsy results come back.

Bastards. Every single one of them, bastards!

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 19, 2009 12:23 PM (KWhJd)

34 I'm sure Barry thinks that these polls are "just a distraction" and really have no meaning.

Posted by: GarandFan at November 19, 2009 12:27 PM (ZQBnQ)

35 It might be mathematically impossible for the Republican to overcome Obama's home-field advantage.

You discount the suicidal path the Democrats seem to be on. In this next election, Democrat incompetence will be worth a lot more than any Republican's appeal.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 19, 2009 01:18 PM (ii3ri)

36 Those people approve Obama which wish to receive services of public health services at the expense of other people.

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37 The way the inflation and unemployment have shot up in his regime, this is nothing but an expected result.

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