July 27, 2008

Peaceful Bicycle Advocacy Group Attempts to Persuade a Motorist to Abandon His Gas-Guzzling Ways (genghis)
— Open Blog

BUMPED for update.

By beating the shit out of him and trashing his car.

“Seattle police said they were still looking today for one of a group of Critical Mass bicyclists who attacked and injured a driver during a violent altercation on Capitol Hill Friday evening.”

“Two other bicyclists have been jailed. But some riders in the event have said the driver was the aggressor.”

“Just after 7 p.m. Friday, the group of at least 100 bicyclists was moving en masse down East Aloha Street when a man and his girlfriend in a Subaru station wagon tried to pull out of a parking spot, said Seattle police spokesman Mark Jamieson.”

Clearly the driver was in the wrong here. Parking spots are for parking, not for leaving. The bicyclists helpfully suggested some other options and tried to dissuade the driver from leaving:

” According to Jamieson, as the Critical Mass group moved down the street, blocking traffic, some riders got in the way of the Subaru and prevented it from leaving. Some bikers sat on the car and were banging on it, he said."The driver was pretty fearful that he was about to be assaulted by the bicyclists," Jamieson said. The man tried to back up, but bumped into a biker. "This enraged the group," Jamieson said.

Several of the bikers bashed up the Subaru, shattering the windshield and rear window, Jamieson said. The driver tried to drive away, but hit another bicyclist, Jamieson said. Still, he drove about a block, to the corner of Aloha and 15th Avenue East, before the Critical Mass riders cornered the car again and started spitting on it and banging against it.

One bicyclist punched the driver through his open window, and another used a knife to slash the Subaru's tires, Jamieson said. The driver got out of his car, and was hit in the back of the head, opening a large gash.”

Obviously he had it coming to him. Sometimes there’s just a failure to communicate and gentle persuasion doesn’t quite get the job done. An alternative point of view regarding the intervention is provided here along with many useful comments.

(stock photo from AceCorp image archives depicting an example of a bicycle)

UPDATE: A little more on the story including an interview with the driver and one of the people he allegedly squished is here. (There's a video of the interviews but no video of the actual events)

Strangely enough, I haven't been able to locate any videos of the incident online. Why do I say strangely? Because Critical Mass usually films their monthly rides and posts them on YouTube and congratulate themselves for their brave actions against...well, whatever it is they're against this particular moment. Yet now they're screaming bloody murder that the driver was the aggressor. If that were the case, wouldn't they post corroborating evidence to back up that claim?

In the interest of fairness, a post at Seattle Indymedia explains to us how the "corporate media" got this story all wrong. I urge you to share your thoughts, condolences, best wishes and "get well soons" to the victims of this tragedy who may be scarred for days with road rash.

While you're there, signing the guestbook, feel free to troll around on the site and check out the other fascinating stories posted there.


Posted by: Open Blog at 08:19 PM | Comments (111)
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1 "started spitting on it " What's with the left and the whole spitting thing? When it comes to their Cyclist-In-Chief, they seem willing enough to swallow.

Posted by: notropis at July 26, 2008 08:32 PM (nNqMU)

2 <i>"...the Critical Mass riders cornered the car again and started spitting on it..."</i>

Helpful of them to leave some DNA. Let's hope they appear on someone's computer. Soon.

Posted by: JuliaM at July 26, 2008 08:45 PM (Ydcpi)

3 "this enraged the group..." Not to crack wise, but am I the only one who's chuckling at the idea of an "enraged group" of bicyclists?

Posted by: railwriter at July 26, 2008 08:58 PM (XcsD4)

4 Gotta love environmentalists. We should sic Novak on them.

Posted by: Christoph at July 26, 2008 09:01 PM (hawOV)

5 If the motorist was packing he could have solved his probem quickly.

Posted by: arnonerik at July 26, 2008 09:03 PM (5f8CU)

6 "We should sic Novak on them." Amen.

Posted by: notropis at July 26, 2008 09:04 PM (nNqMU)

7 In SF we call those guys "critical massholes."

Posted by: CraigC at July 26, 2008 09:31 PM (MaqQX)

8

I see you didn't make the parade either.

To see it on KIRO, you'd think the driver was at fault. Seriously.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 26, 2008 09:33 PM (J8xZy)

9 Most self righteous and adolescent leftist group since PETA.

Posted by: Idiocy at July 26, 2008 09:40 PM (vjl9g)

10 WTF?

When I was a kid, bicyclists were like Urkel. Evidently, now they're like little Chuckie Mansons.

I do on occasion, find myself coming around a blind corner in the rain on a twisty mountain highway and find a gaggle of Complete Fucking Idiot cyclists blocking the road.

One of these days, I won't be able to stop or divert in time. If you ride your bike on a twisty 2-lane mountain highway AT ALL, you are a complete idiot. Period.

I've noticed they're getting more aggressive in the cities here lately as well, we may have a Masshole group forming here as well. The Subaru driver should have just got the hell out of there, we've had "bike swarm attacks" in Scam Fran already.

Posted by: Merovign at July 26, 2008 09:49 PM (UXoQt)

11 I've never seen a cyclist obey the traffic laws.  They claim the right to ride in traffic, but at a red light, suddenly they are off the bike and now they're just pedestrians jaywalking, not motorists running a  red. 

How many times have you had to take both lanes to pass a bikehole, then at the next traffic light they just run up your right side and you have to pass them again.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Get a car bikeholes!

Posted by: fozzy at July 26, 2008 10:09 PM (ccEuN)

12 If someone comes after you with an axe, you can pull a gun and shoot them. If someone starts assaulting you on bicycles, you should be able to drive over them. The Subaru wagon is admirably suited for this, being an AWD vehicle.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 26, 2008 10:24 PM (AJxI0)

13

I live in Seattle and recently had to sit through three green lights because of this group and their merry band of idiots.  They rode, walked and parked their bikes on 5th Ave during afternoon rush to stop traffic and had horns, cowbells and foul language directed towards drivers.  A few were wearing only Speedos (not a good look for anyone, especially fat and pasty Seattle residents).  Unfortunately, it was also on display for tourists and their kids headed for the Space Needle and Science Center.

In general, around here they're a menace, a danger and constantly try to intimidate drivers.  They fly through intersections without minding stop signs or red lights then give drivers dirty looks who have to slam on the brakes because they see a cyclist just in time.  I had one flip me off because she thought I didn't give her enough room to pass on a neighborhood street even though I was careful to give her enough space.  And God help you if you're in a crosswalk when they come bombing through; you better step it up 'cause they do not slow down.  The only thing worse than a car to them is a pedestrian!

Posted by: Shan at July 26, 2008 11:10 PM (q0Z3p)

14

Wow, now I may be making some assumptions here, but it really appears that the lefties are starting to eat their own.  I mean attacking a subaru driving individual in Seattle?  Anyone remember when driving a subaru was supposedly the responsible thing to do? 

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 26, 2008 11:18 PM (oLULt)

15

Several of the bikers bashed up the Subaru, shattering the windshield and rear window, Jamieson said. The driver tried to drive away, but hit another bicyclist, Jamieson said. Still, he drove about a block, to the corner of Aloha and 15th Avenue East, before the Critical Mass riders cornered the car again and started spitting on it and banging against it.

One bicyclist punched the driver through his open window, and another used a knife to slash the Subaru's tires, Jamieson said. The driver got out of his car, and was hit in the back of the head, opening a large gash.”

Seems like this would have met the test for a reasonable fear of grave injury or death. At that point I think I would have just gunned the engine and gotten the hell out of there, running down cyclists if I had to.

I like bicycling, but I don't particularly like bicyclists.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 26, 2008 11:38 PM (dHbCl)

16 What's with the left and the whole spitting thing?

You ever spend time with a two year old?


Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at July 27, 2008 12:52 AM (ac2qn)

17 Wooooo. They got a Hells Lattes Bicycle Gang on their hands. I always give cyclists plenty of room. But if you get 3 or more of these pricks, they want the whole road. The cars pay Title/Insurance/Registration/fuel Tax/license fees and testing for the fucking roads in the first place. ..Grown ups on bikes that weigh 14lbs and cost $3400 are guests at best. More like tresspassers on my fucking road.

Posted by: hutch1200 at July 27, 2008 01:50 AM (L+weh)

18 8

I see you didn't make the parade either.

To see it on KIRO, you'd think the driver was at fault. Seriously.

In my 18 years up here, I've never actually bothered to go see the Torchlight Parade. Not a big parade fan, unless watching Animal House. I don't usually watch KIRO, but I think I caught a snippet of their report on this. KOMO didn't even bother to mention it at all.

All I know is: I get Blue Angels performing over my house for four straight days next week. At least I think it's next week.

Benefits of living just a few blocks away from the hydro pits. 

Posted by: genghis at July 27, 2008 01:55 AM (HwY1l)

19

As near as I can tell, these bikers don't want to "share the road" so much as force everyone else off of it.

It just goes to show something I've known for years: one or two bicylists are ok, but big angry mob of them can ruin your whole day.

Another fun fact: On long stretches of the state highway nearest my house (which is rather narrow and has absolutely no shoulder), it is impossible to pass a bicyclist while driving a fully loaded grain truck unless he rides the brakes to let you.  Despite the fact that you can drive the whole road in twenty-five minutes in the truck, and it takes a biker quite a bit longer... (Something about a twenty-pound bike accelerating much faster than an 18-ton truck but the truck being able to maintain speed much better going uphill...)

There was a bikathon on that road once, during the corn harvest, and it's a wonder some irate farmer didn't run a cyclist over.

Posted by: Calix at July 27, 2008 02:10 AM (8d3U/)

20 blog response:

- <A href="http://community.livejournal.com/seattlebikes/206201.html">Total Insanity on Capitol Hill</A>
- <A href="http://community.livejournal.com/seattlebikes/206444.html">From criticalmass@scrimass.org</A>
- <A href="http://community.livejournal.com/seattlebikes/206643.html">Seattle CM violence / Car-bike altercations / etc.</A>
- <A href="http://community.livejournal.com/seattlebikes/206866.html">Eyewitness Account From the Slog</A>

My favorite part:  "Channel 5 tried to interview us, but we refused to talk with them, and it seems like media is showing the incident like 'Violent bikers attacked a car...'"  Victims of their own paranoia ...

Posted by: Scrutineer at July 27, 2008 02:23 AM (QiRrB)

21 that should have read ""Seattle Bikes Livejournal Community blog response"

(and i guess html doesn't work)

Posted by: Scrutineer at July 27, 2008 02:25 AM (QiRrB)

22

I am conflicted over these situations.  What would be the proper response?  In my head I see myself hopping between driving the 'Animal House' float car after they ditch the float, or the 'Blues Brothers' old police car, when they plow through the nazis.  Which is better for driving through crowds?

Just to muck things up, those clowns were on bicycles.  Would a vehicle need more traction to plow through a bunch of them?  I'll never get this right.

I never thought I could be so happy on the east coast.  Glad I'm so far away from these assholes.

Posted by: TomJW at July 27, 2008 02:38 AM (ppKNT)

23 Haven't seen these freaks in NYC so far, thank goodness, but individual shmucks on bicycles, including cycle messengers are a constant nuisance. I will admit, we New Yorkers feel it is our god-given right to jay-walk anytime, anywhere. But when you are on a bicycle, that just ain't gonna work. I've almost been hit by one of these asses on more than one occasion and they are always galled by the fact that someone is in their way, legally or not. THAT is what gets me (seething now thinking about it). Would've been cool if the poor guy in the Subaru hit the gas pedal but naturally, he would've been taken to court. To quote Heston "It's a madhouse, a madhouse!!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2008 03:16 AM (np0pW)

24 Did I say nuisance? I meant MENACE.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2008 03:16 AM (np0pW)

25

"If you try to micromanage and solve everything then you end up being a DILETTANT."--Obama

The 1930's gave rise to black shirts and brown shirts.

The 21st Century marxist dilettants wear green shirts.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 27, 2008 03:34 AM (F1b/5)

26 I'd like to see them try this with a bunch of gas-guzzlin' Hell's Angels.

Or maybe they be like, "2 wheels good, 4 wheels bad" and keep on biking.

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at July 27, 2008 03:39 AM (gIga4)

27 Hahahahaha!!!!

If these fucks tried that shit here, they'd be part of the pavement in about 2 seconds.  This is how the equation works:

Chevy Suburban > bicycle


Posted by: EC at July 27, 2008 03:42 AM (j2Tjh)

28 <a href="http://www.mdt.mt.gov/mdt/images/snowplow.jpg">Here is the answer to critical mass pukes.</a>

Posted by: distwalker at July 27, 2008 03:46 AM (YuMRd)

29 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at July 27, 2008 03:49 AM (ZaM5Y)

30 14

Wow, now I may be making some assumptions here, but it really appears that the lefties are starting to eat their own.  I mean attacking a subaru driving individual in Seattle?  Anyone remember when driving a subaru was supposedly the responsible thing to do? 

Darth Randall: It may get even better than that. Take a look at the second link provided just above Obama's bike helmet. It's to an alternative weekly in Seattle called "The Stranger" that also covered this. In the main link to the Seattle Times, it's noted that the driver was with his girlfriend, but a commenter at "The Stranger" notes that he's a friend her brother and is gay. I have no way of confirming that, but the area where this occurred is the gay epicenter of Seattle along with being the most radical area of the city in every other way.

So it could get even more interesting if various (and usually allied) advocacy groups go to war.

(see comment #32 by "Jessica" at "The Stranger" link)

Posted by: genghis at July 27, 2008 04:00 AM (HwY1l)

31

It is a good time to review progress on legislation that is gaining support and working its way through the system.  The idea of bikers’ rights has been supported in general by Presidential candidates who have both stated the need for urgent action to fight Global Warming.  The time to act has come.

 

“The problem with bike paths is that they mostly go only into park areas and the like”, said Seth Goldfarb, spokesman for “Bikers without Borders.”  Sporting a bandana and plenty of spandex, Seth went on to describe the initiative: “If we designate the two right-most lanes for bikes, that leaves the left lane for car pools, busses and electric cars.”

 

When questioned by reporters, Seth acknowledged provision in the Bill for special recycling centers for current auto owners: “You would drive your car in and, after processing, you should be left with almost enough money to buy a bike.”

 

The movement gained a decided boost when Governor Granholm of Michigan started riding a bike to work, together with her security detail.  “This is not just a stupid stunt”, Goldfarb said: “Nobody has done more to end the auto industry than she.”

Posted by: Robert at July 27, 2008 04:14 AM (Rb4Qc)

32

Hell's Angels on Schwinns?

I must be getting old.  I remember when people got scared by a pack of motorcycles roaring up behind them at a stoplight.  Bicycles were ridden only by people15 years old or younger or complete geeks (see photo above).  Now the outlaw bikers peddle their machines and the Harleys are ridden by law-abiding citizens. 

Posted by: Reiver at July 27, 2008 05:03 AM (NXkVF)

33
Time to string up some piano wire.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at July 27, 2008 05:04 AM (MiPTi)

34 If the driving public starts defending itself, these cycle turds will reveal themselves to be complete pussies.

Posted by: trentk269 at July 27, 2008 05:19 AM (WUM14)

35

I use to run into this bunch on my commute home and called he police department to ask what could be done and I was told to call the mayor's office since the mayor has told the police department "hands off".

I called the mayor's office and the person there said they had never heard of critical mass.  They would look into it and get back to me

<insert crickets chirping>

Posted by: AndrewsDad at July 27, 2008 05:20 AM (bSdbt)

36 I'd like to see them try this with a bunch of gas-guzzlin' Hell's Angels.

Hey now! Motorcycles are very fuel efficient.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 27, 2008 05:23 AM (nYv/9)

37 That driver was packing.  Packing a three thousand pound unconcealed weapon.  Once the assault extended to within the cabin he was entirely within his rights to stomp the accelerator.  Any deaths resulting from such action would be the fault of the instigators.

Posted by: ThomasD at July 27, 2008 05:32 AM (21H5U)

38

They don't let runners on main roads, they don't let unicyclists, they don;t let people in wheelchairs or mules towing drays, or anything that goes less than 20 mph.

Except bikerbaters.

And they want the whole road.

Posted by: Erwin Hussein O'Barry at July 27, 2008 05:33 AM (HU4xc)

39 That's what I don't get. Even a little Honda Civic is bigger than the biggest dork on a bicycle. I sure as hell wouldn't let somebody pull me out of my car like that.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at July 27, 2008 05:36 AM (VbrVx)

40 Bicyclists = biodegradable speed bumps

Posted by: mpur at July 27, 2008 05:40 AM (LB8F5)

41 I live in a tourist area in Michigan that is often visited by "bicycle clubs".  They usually stay at the camp grounds where they make a total jackasses of themselves,  they get up before dawn hogging the bathroom facilities en mass (leaving them filthy and soaked).  One must be careful not to run these jerks over as the traverse the center of the roads through the park.  Its amazing how quickly they wear out their welcome with the local merchants (can't do much shopping on a bike), blocking sidewalks with 20 or 30 bikes in front of downtown resturants.  I do get some satifaction occasionally when I see one of them bumped and scraped up, bent bicycle in hand after plowing into one of our whitetails that are so plentiful here. 

Posted by: tonynoboloney at July 27, 2008 06:06 AM (lwo2+)

42 If anyone ever pulled this shit on me, I would run them over.

Posted by: Entropy at July 27, 2008 06:14 AM (HgAV0)

43 Time to string up some piano wire.
Posted by: Mr. Peabody

Too quick and too messy.

A stick in the spokes or an oil patch makes for a better youtube video.

Posted by: eman at July 27, 2008 06:23 AM (bXWSG)

44 I hit one once. NO! not like that!, with the front of my car. Slow speed, carried him about five feet, stopped suddenly and he fell off. I got a Disorderly conduct, and about $500 worth of lawyer's and court's costs. It was worth it. I promised I'd never do it again, so I have to go faster next time.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at July 27, 2008 06:26 AM (TPRbZ)

45

I liked one of the commenters at the site, to wit that the asshats HAVE to ride bikes because their jobs as baristas, bike messengers, and Kinkos drones don't pay enough.

Cruel Truth.

 

Posted by: fulldroolcup at July 27, 2008 06:33 AM (4JvGP)

46 Clearly the level of violence in Seattle is too high. It is time that the United States gives up on the savages that live there and cut and run for home before we suffer more losses. We need change now!

Posted by: torabora at July 27, 2008 06:35 AM (BzBXu)

47 << If someone starts assaulting you on bicycles, you should be able to drive over them. The Subaru wagon is admirably suited for this, being an AWD vehicle. >>

Despite its tendency to overheat, the Hippie Drill is even more suitable for the task.

Posted by: Herr Blcher at July 27, 2008 06:38 AM (ggH9a)

48 Take the moral pomposity of your average eco-tard, his feeling of superiority to all those who he castigates, and add an endorphin high that it gets from its favored activity, and assemble them into a large, radicalized group.  Have them go out to cause deliberate obstruction and get in some faces. 

Recipe for disaster.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at July 27, 2008 06:50 AM (+IALc)

49 It'd be amusing to see them try that here in Louisiana where we've got anti-carjacking laws and shall-issue concealed carry...

Posted by: Cybrludite at July 27, 2008 06:56 AM (NoIy8)

50 Critical Mass is a bunch of thugs on wheels. They did something similar to a poor woman in a car with her kids about a year a go in SF. Fortunately, they only smashed her windows, though it terrified her children.  SFPD, of course, has refused to do anything about them. 

Posted by: grc at July 27, 2008 07:04 AM (Vh2CL)

51 I also live in Seattle and keep my SUV's front brushguard nice and shiney. I want it to look good in case it's the last thing these  idiot cyclists see in this life. Fucking pretentious pricks that most of them are...

Posted by: Esteban at July 27, 2008 07:20 AM (X7Ey1)

52

16 ...actually, a bunch of the comments were critical of Critical Mass. Granted, they were anonymous comments.

Thinkin' on't, it seemed to be there was the same kind of comment interplay on that blog we see 'round here when some Kos troll drops in: rational adult conservatives patiently explaining things to doofus adolescent emoting twirp liberals whose only surety in life seems to be the adolescent angst you would have thought that the elders among them would have been able to leave behind after 3-4 decades of post high school life.

Confrontational anger is to be expected from a newly pubescent teenager experiencing mass confusion from an overload of hormones ...but it don't wear so well when you're well past your prime: goofy. Get over it.

...I'm an avid cyclist (not a commuter anymore though) with 40 years of riding experience ...but: "what a bunch of pukes".

For an alternative, this vid' was way cool: Bicycle Ballerina.

Posted by: davis,br at July 27, 2008 07:23 AM (7QgFP)

53 Hopefully someone will start a group called, "Critical Mass Of People With Baseball Bats Who Help People Being Attached By Bicyclists". 

Sure, it's not a catchy name but I think it accurately describes its raison d'etre*.


*See, I used some French there so Obama won't be embarrassed by me.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 27, 2008 07:31 AM (hlYel)

54

In truth, considering the way the guys ride in traffic, I think you have to be an egomanical asshat who thinks the supermarket sliding doors open only for him to ride a bicycle.

You're basically at the mercy of other commuters, whether you live or die. Any humble person would see the cars passing 2 feet away and think "OMFG someone's gonna hit me" and get off the stupid bike.

It's like that saying about barbarians being more polite, because no one punches you in the face for being rude in civilized society.

Nobody rides bikes in barbarian societies either.

Posted by: Entropy at July 27, 2008 07:33 AM (HgAV0)

55 Around Austin, they actually had to put signs up that bicycles aren't allowed on the expressways. Honestly, do you really need a sign to tell you that riding a bike in a 70 mph speed zone is a bad idea?

Then, periodically, everyone gets wound up because some biketard was riding on the access road (speed limit 50-55 mph) and gets run over when they cross an exit ramp and get hit by a car coming off the expressway. Here's a clue: the exit ramps are only on the left side of the access road, try keeping to the right, dumbass.

Posted by: mpur at July 27, 2008 07:52 AM (LB8F5)

56 "The movement gained a decided boost when Governor Granholm of Michigan started riding a bike to work, together with her security detail.  “This is not just a stupid stunt”, Goldfarb said: “Nobody has done more to end the auto industry than she.”"

Wow.

What was it they do again in Michigan....there's that town, they call it um, the mudder city was it? No, that's not right- ah, yeah..The MOTOR CITY, that's it. It's in Michigan.

Good thinkin' on the part of that governor there- cars like suck and stuff. Who needs the economic benefits of Ford, GM, and Chrysler in their state, one has to consider carbon footprints and stuff.

And like, maybe she could get Schwinn and Raleigh to take the place of them dirty automakers. Treks being built in the Rouge plant, yeah that's it.

Posted by: 2Brixshy at July 27, 2008 08:01 AM (1zDri)

57 I seem to be in the minority here.  I try to ride my bike to work every day, if the weather permits.  Also generally go for a longer ride on the weekend.  My dad rode a bike to work almost every day as well.  Gone on a couple of those 1-week, across-state rides, and have did a little bit of the racing/competition thing when I was younger.  So basically, I suppose I could be considered a "biker".

Anyway, the critical mass stuff is stupid, and most of those that do it are not bicycling enthusiasts.  They are the vegan, anarchist types, who are only on a bike to piss people off.  Most enthusiasts don't disobey traffic laws either.  It's the guys with a DWI's, Mexicans, and kids that are usually the ones running red lights.

I ride to work because its cheap, it keeps me from getting fat, and its a good anti-depressant when work/life starts to go sour.  I will admit I don't understand why people find bicycling odd, especially with higher gas prices.  Yeah, they can be a pain to pass up, but most ordinances won't allow for riding bikes on sidewalks, so it is what it is.  It's the bicyclist that is taking the risks to be on the road, so why get so irate.  Then again, maybe some are just pissed that bicyclists get a discount on travel, I don't know.

Granted, most people don't buy a house because it is within bicycling distance to work, etc., so it isn't so feasible to commute.  Add to that, that you have to be in good physical shape if you are going to ride to work and not show up drenched in sweat.  Also if you are a fat ass, I will agree that you will look even more like an idiot on bike.

Posted by: jason at July 27, 2008 08:28 AM (2YJJn)

58
I'm a cyclist and I'm very much in favor of drivers sharing the road as the law demands and extending simple courtesies as is the standard for decent people traveling.

I despise the Critical Mass goons. If they could ever get a few hundred cyclists together to OBEY traffic laws they would win. That isn't what they're about - they are into hostility and confrontation. It's sorta like the Palestinians they love the fight and will sacrifice their stated cause to maintain hostilities.

Then again, there are car-bound morons like tonybaloney (34) up there who somehow manage to deserve CM. He's the guy the CM riders need to meet so they can preview their mutual hell. Hey tony, how damn fast do you need to drive in a park. There's more to life and vacationing than burning fuel and buying junk. Try buying a clue at one of those tourist shops. Deer take out drivers and hunters as well as cyclists. Take your schadenfreunde however you like, but try to not talk about it in public. It is unseemly.

Just a comment for Entropy (44) yes, a cyclist depends on the goodwill, caution and decency of the drivers around him. Mostly, that isn't a problem. Mostly. Mutual trust is what all society is based upon. It is why we can stand at the edge of subway platforms and drive at speed trusting others to be prudent and sane. Despite idiots like tony and CM our society and people maintain that trust.

It isn't arrogance that makes a cyclist feel safe (though there are plenty of arrogant cyclists) it is their knowledge that their fellow citizens are mostly decent and prudent, the kind of people who can be trusted to own guns or invest in their own retirement funds or manage their own businesses and buy their own medical care, surely they can be trusted to drive in formation. That's how conservative cyclists think, anyway. I'm powerless to understand what liberals think, whether they ride a bike or not.
 

Posted by: Ronsonic at July 27, 2008 08:30 AM (ywSvi)

59 I live in Seattle and have just walked to the garage and placed an aluminum baseball bat in my car. Let the games begin.

Posted by: vanderleun at July 27, 2008 08:56 AM (s0k8A)

60

hey ronsonic, you are a ghey bike troll, trying to ape a reasonable person.

you need to waste your breath of the other bike fags that are ruining this for all of you-them. Bikes are for kids and doping professionals in ghey old france.

just another hate group for fags to join.

go away

Posted by: bob hussein dole at July 27, 2008 08:59 AM (4GS1g)

61

Bob hussein dole,

I sometimes ride a bike. I've been here long enough that I feel I can call myself a moron in good standing.

As to being gay, I'm likely more man than you, baby. Wink.

Posted by: captkidhussseiney at July 27, 2008 09:12 AM (4Jb1/)

62

Let the games begin.

I believe the proper expresion is 'batter up.'


Posted by: ThomasD at July 27, 2008 09:23 AM (21H5U)

63 They will show up and disrupt the DNC, that is a given. They did it in LA, got arrested, then the pussy prosecutor dismissed the charges, and they turned around and sued the city. The pussy city attorneys settled with a couple million bucks. 

Posted by: grc at July 27, 2008 09:48 AM (Vh2CL)

64 Heh, I dunno. Whenever I see a dork on a bike I'm glad that asshole is saving gas to be used by my SUV/Harley?Boat....Besides these assholes that do own cars are pushing for 55mph, higher CAFE standards etc...They drive like dicks anyway...10mph under the speed limit, and will never yield or signal  for anything. They also have the highest rates of road rage and crabs.  ....Cars are just  places to put stickers for Gore/barry hussein/teh ghey.

Posted by: hutch1200 at July 27, 2008 10:17 AM (L+weh)

65 he was entirely within his rights to stomp the accelerator.

yeah, in his Subaru... I'm not sure what happens when you stomp the accelerator in a subaru, but i'm guessing it's not all smoking tires and flying bicycles...

Posted by: Terry at July 27, 2008 10:18 AM (GAQ/Q)

66 More like screaming chipmunks and the sound of vaguely bending metal...

Posted by: Jonathan Winters at July 27, 2008 10:24 AM (YYanS)

67 Terry at July 27, 2008 03:18 PM
Jonathan Winters at July 27, 2008 03:24 PM

Evidently, you guys missed http://www.carlustblog.com/2008/07/car-lust--subar.html -- 0-60 in 5.3. I'd assume that it would be a bit slower mowing over hyperagressive Luddites (slippery), but the AWD would likely help mitigate this.


Posted by: cthulhu at July 27, 2008 10:40 AM (AJxI0)

68 If a bike fag sucks my dick, that doesn't make me gay, right?  Right?

Posted by: bob hussein dole at July 27, 2008 11:22 AM (2YJJn)

69 Guys, guys, when engaging opponents on foot you don't want smoking tires.  You already have the mass, so you really don't need alot of velocity to create massive kinetic energy.  The key to translating kinetic energy into force is applying it over time, so what you really want is torque and, above all, traction.   Therefore go with the lowest gear possible, this might even involve shifting into reverse, and stick with it until the job is done.

Posted by: ThomasD at July 27, 2008 12:11 PM (21H5U)

70 "While there is no denying that the cyclists circled the car and trashed it, this was all an attempt to stop the car and driver from possibly hurting anyone else… the motorist [had] accelerated from 0 to 40 THROUGH a standing line of cyclists at Aloha and 14th"(emphasis theirs)

-A quote from the "alternative view" link that genghis posted.

There are few things that make me more sick than this kind of shit. The way these selfish, cynical fucktards have of justifying their barbarism by "creating a narrative" that "reflects a larger truth." All they are is a bunch of feces-tossing monkeys who want to kill people whom they hate in such a way that gives them plausible deniability. Dri was right, they are like the fucking klansmen.

Fortunately, at the very least even the media establishment doesn't seem to be buying into the Critical Mass people's crap yet. To get their version of events out, Critical Mass had to go to some rag that bills itself as "Seattle's only newspaper." I hope that there are some in law enforcement who are working on strategies to make sure Critical Mass rallies turn into Critical Mistakes.

Posted by: Glen at July 27, 2008 12:23 PM (HX/9W)

71 I tend to pull up to within an inch of the curb at lights when these pussies are on the road.  When I'm on my motorcycle I like to startle them with a yell as I pass them on the street, its great for a chuckle.

Posted by: FREE at July 27, 2008 12:45 PM (0Yps+)

72 Hey jason, try cyclist, fool. The day the Hells Angels makes you a member you can call yourself a BIKER. Unfrikin believable.

Posted by: FREE at July 27, 2008 12:49 PM (0Yps+)

73

Ronsonic, the few cyclists I see around here (just north of Cincinnati, OH) drive right up the center of the road, when they've got dedicated bike lanes in a lot of the areas now (lanes that go from a lot of the neighborhoods to the main shopping centers), so I'm not exactly too sympathetic to pleas to 'share the road as the law demands'.  If they want us to share the road, they should use their own lanes and leave the cars to theirs, instead of the preening "I've got a right to slow traffic" bullshit they like to pull.

Though nothing ticks me off more than the gaggles of soccer moms in the neighborhoods around here.  "Let's get 20 of us together and walk abreast of each other, blocking the entire main road for 3 people deep, then act all surprised and scared that cars sometimes come about".  Idiots.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at July 27, 2008 01:05 PM (fpk1J)

74 56 Guys, guys, when engaging opponents on foot you don't want smoking tires.

Smoking tires is Always a good thing... says so right on the back of your Man Card.

Posted by: Terry at July 27, 2008 01:52 PM (GAQ/Q)

75

Dang, you're right.  

Smoke em if you've got em.

Posted by: ThomasD at July 27, 2008 04:49 PM (21H5U)

76 Why not just issue urban hunting permits?  3 bicyclists per year seems reasonable.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 27, 2008 05:11 PM (TQfms)

77

It isn't arrogance that makes a cyclist feel safe (though there are plenty of arrogant cyclists) it is their knowledge that their fellow citizens are mostly decent and prudent

So decent and so prudent they won't retaliate against you for basically being an ass to them. That was my point. The guy on the bike takes advantage of that decency. Just because you feel safe, doesn't mean the motorist does.

Why? Because of his decency. He's not going to get hurt no. What's keeping you alive is his fear of hurting you.

And you are an ass to them. Around Chicago, at least, you have to be. The cars park along the road, the bicycle lane is on the opposite side of the parked car lane (and people don't allways park so well) and the cyclists are constantly spilling out over into the traffic lane. Sometimes with every right pedal they're leaning over into the traffic lane. And they're going fuckin 12 MPH! You can't pass. There's only 1 lane each way. And this is Chicago - there's never a time when there's no oncoming traffic.

If you do somehow manage to get past one of the buggers, like someone said above, 30 seconds later the zip by you at a stop light and you get stuck behind them again.

They piss me off to no end, because they're greatly inconvienencing me by taking advantage of the fact I'm not an asshole, and won't risk the moral and legal effects of vehicular manslaughter.

You may feel safe with me driving that close to you - but I don't! I'm tweaking the hell out in my car. I'm very uncomfortable and worried I might hit you. But I also don't want to drive 12 fuckin MPH.

This, obviously, would be very bad mostly for you, you'd think...yet you pedal along oblivious while I rip my hair out playing chicken with the oncoming lane to get around you and hope you don't sneeze and swerve to the left.

Posted by: Entropy at July 27, 2008 05:21 PM (HgAV0)

78

Why hasn't Critical Mass come to Howard Beach, or maybe South Philly, or perhaps South Boston, I wonder?

Well, it wouldn't exactly be a proper game of baseball, but there would be bats. Lots and lots of bats.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 27, 2008 07:48 PM (bmyjs)

79

Critical Mass is not a cyclist's rights organization - they are anarchists hiding behind a cyclist's rights organization.  Their intent is to tie traffic in business districts in knots by illegal blockades and to harass drivers.

When they block traffic, they should be arrested and fined.  When they riot, they should be arrested and held in jail until they make bail.  Multiple arrests should incur a higher penalty - start the fines at $1000, then double them for each subsequent violation.

They attack a driver or his  vehicle - charge with a felony.

Theywant to start a riot, then bring on the riot police and smack a few heads and break a few arms.

The Seattle govenment doesn't have the guts to rein in these anarchists. 

 

Posted by: Dr Bob at July 27, 2008 07:56 PM (EZTZx)

80

#70 I hope that there are some in law enforcement that are working...

 

Remember the WTO riots in Seattle a few years ago. I hope for change in this area too.

 

Posted by: Esteban at July 27, 2008 08:12 PM (X7Ey1)

81 The people on cycles are not licenses to operate on public roads.
When will our legislatures stop playing footsies with these people.
They should have a licenses to operate a cycle and a license plate on the cycle itself along with lights for visibility.

Simply put they do not pay  road taxes and they do not have a right to block traffic. Why don't they get out of the path of a motorized vehicles, my parents taught me to stay out of the road.

It is against the law to block traffic

I am afraid that we will see more of these arigant people that want every thing for them selves.

Posted by: B. Anthony at July 28, 2008 01:48 AM (NmdxO)

82 Illinois PaliSchwinnians.  I hate PaliSchwinnians.

Posted by: Americano at July 28, 2008 03:21 AM (MHmUX)

83 Obama's body is so frail that his hip is requiring an orthopedic surgeon's attention since returning home with jet lag. Der Spiegel got it wrong claiming Obama's youthful basketball player's brisk walk up to the speech podium proved his good health compared to his opponent's. So much for chain smoking and all that stroking from the MSM; Obama has a weak constitution.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 28, 2008 03:26 AM (F1b/5)

84 They're lucky they pulled that shit on Capitol hill, Washington is a shall issue state.

Posted by: carl hungus at July 28, 2008 03:41 AM (IK4dH)

85

I can't tell if this is a double post - new comment thingie / dual sites and all that

 

But here's the view of the intersection in question

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I tend to side with the motorist on this one.  And I say this as a person who watches the Tour de France. 

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 28, 2008 04:15 AM (UeP9e)

86

- Actually, here's the link to Google Map's view of Aloha and 14th.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 28, 2008 04:19 AM (UeP9e)

87 I'm not opposed to "sharing the road" with cyclists. However, if this is going to happen, the cyclists need to do a couple of things:

1) Decide if they're vehicles or pedestrians. If they're vehicles, they need to get in the lane and ride with traffic. If they can't keep up, they need to put those big orange triangles on the back, and they should pull over periodically, and let faster vehicles by. If they're pedestrians, they need to stay all the way over to the side, and that means not swerving into the lane when they see a pothole or a sewer grate.

2) Share the Rules. Stop at lights. If the sign says No Right on Red, don't take one. Stay off the sidewalks, signal, etc.

The essence of traffic safety is predictability. If I know what you're going to do, I'm not going to hit you. Cyclists tend to be unpredictable.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 28, 2008 05:11 AM (n29BA)

88

I'm an avid cyclist and have raced, commuted and ridden off-road for many years. I am very concerned that these Massholes are doing much harm to cycling and should be ostracized by all. By their selfish actions they have managed to make the road much more dangerous to honorable cyclist who are obeying laws and wish only to share the road!

I would bet thet most are radical leftists aka anarchist, anti-capitalist.

Posted by: vaquero at July 28, 2008 05:24 AM (ft+1C)

89

Attack!

Ramming Speed!!

 

Posted by: The Peloton at July 28, 2008 05:37 AM (UeP9e)

90

Their notion of "share the road" is particularly one-sided: you share it with us, we don't share at all.

Posted by: Original Roy at July 28, 2008 06:57 AM (vtR2g)

91

Here's a woman confronting critical mass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R810JiJiUk&feature=related

Listen for the tune the critical mass clowns play when the cops help them out.

Posted by: captkidhussseiney at July 28, 2008 07:31 AM (0vXZI)

92
Barack's bike is two sizes too small and he needs more air in the back tire. Oh, and lose the damn helmet. Like what's going to happen, an Arte Johnson moment?

Hell, this bike thing works for him almost as well as it did for John Kerry: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/01/weekinreview/McGrath2300.jpg


Posted by: Ronsonic at July 28, 2008 07:52 AM (ywSvi)

93

Hate to say it, but this is why I go to Seattle armed. 

 

The police can't do zip because of their worthless Mayor who adores these law breakers.    

Posted by: 57th Dustoff at July 28, 2008 08:20 AM (FsbnY)

94 How about a countermovement?  We could call it Critical Glass and spread it on the road right in the middle of their protests. 

Posted by: ThomasD at July 28, 2008 08:28 AM (21H5U)

95

As #14 and #22 implied, the guy was driving a Subaru and really deserved a good ass kicking, just for that.  If you really want to anger coastal troglodytes, buy American.  No way in hell would they touch any of my vehicles without breathtaking consequences, 10" Goodyear imprints for starters.  How does one get dragged from their "car" except through extreme personal timidity.  Thank god for rednecks and hillbillies.  The country would be lost without them.

Posted by: iowavette at July 28, 2008 09:02 AM (0p4xh)

96 I think it's high time automobiles start sharing the bike paths through the park.

Posted by: Entropy at July 28, 2008 09:12 AM (m6c4H)

97

I've spent many hours in I-95 gridlock - mostly during weekend beach traffic.  Occasionally, there is a nasty backup and people start driving on the shoulder.  It's usually a trucker that pulls his cab into the shoulder to keep people from passing.  It's great to watch.

I tried it with bicyclists once.  Like many people, I've had to deal with cyclists who hog the road, then ignore the stoplights.  One time, I had to pass a certain cyclist three times.  At the next stoplight, I had my friend open the passenger door, which blocked the cyclist from going forward (it was a small shoulder).  He was pissed, but held his tongue when two guys over 6'2" glared back at him.

He asked why we did that.  We simply asked in return why he wasn't following the rules of the road.  The douche got all flustered and mumbled something about saving money and gas and the enviroment.  The typical non-sequitur answer from a preening liberal on a bike.  What an asshat.

PS - the best time to empty your spitter is after you pass a cyclist.

Posted by: Blogluddite at July 28, 2008 10:25 AM (fC2pg)

98

I used to work at a bike shop and have met plenty of these critical mass jackasses.  They even tried to get me to participate, but I couldn't because those people make my skin crawl. 

The most important thing you need to know about them is that they are totally committed to complete anarchy.  Their little protest rides aren't about bicyclists rights or environmental awareness at all.  These rides are performed to piss as many people off as possible.  I know for a fact that they try to get hit by cars so the situation escalates into violence and they get on the news.  Then they play the victims.

They have no interest in coexisting with people who drive cars.  Their (futile) goal is to convert you into an unemployable pot smoking vegan.  A few years a go here in Oregon several vandals were arrested for setting fire to a bunch of SUVs at a dealership.  When they showed their faces on the local news, I identified them immediately as some of the critical mass idiots.

A lot of them are members of ELF(an envirnmental  terrorist organization).  When they get caught for vandlism, arson or assault they claim to be political prisoners.

Do not confuse them with your average everyday cyclist, because they're not.  The critical mass stuff is a small window into their world of obnoxious and often dangerous behavior.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 28, 2008 11:05 AM (5GNS+)

99

"A lot of them are members of ELF(an envirnmental  terrorist organization)."  And assholes like the ELF-turds are the best reason for the rest of us to do everything in our power to retain our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. 

Posted by: Reiver at July 28, 2008 11:34 AM (NXkVF)

100
CM v. LEO

Not close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ


Posted by: Ronsonic at July 28, 2008 03:09 PM (ywSvi)

101 Hmmmmm.

Frankly I'd have gone Death Race 2000 on them.

Particularly if I had a kid in the backseat.

Posted by: memomachine at July 28, 2008 06:29 PM (3PLow)

102

I see them in their faggy spandex getups and their teardrop helmets and think,  "penises on wheels."

Yup.

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