1 It's generally called being polite and respectful. Something libs talk about.......yeah, I know.

2 Some people would want her to do what PZ Meyers would do, which is probably freak and run away.

3 I may go to church this Sunday and do exactly that.  You really shouldn't give people ideas like that, ace.

4 I jumped up and spat out the communion wafer, screaming "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE!"

Ok, that made me laugh a lot.  I just have this vision of someone running around the church freaking out.

5 The left in this country are pretty much completely fucked up morons at this point who are only worth taking seriously because they are numerous enough to take over things.

6 I think communion wafers should come with Jeez-Whiz

7 I'm disappointed anytime Palin doesn't whip out a rifle and shoot something.

8 That's all well and good, I suppose, but what's her opinion of anal?

9 Yeah, it's no bigs.  I had a friend who taught English overseas for a while and they said  a lot of 3rd world Christian countries consider witchcraft to be a huge thing that students talked about alot.

10 Rock me sexy Jesus cookie!

(sorry reference to a recently released film no one saw)

11 Fuck Palin, what does Anne Hathaway have that I don't? 

12 Yeah, there's a huge difference between her asking to be protected from witchcraft and being polite and not making a scene.

Also, don't many on the Left believe in the blessed Mother Gaia?  Don't they known anyone who practices Wicca?  I know many people who simultaneously believe in casting spells and that Evangelicals are nuts for believing in the existence of a spirit world.  The disconnect is amusing. 

13 Anne Hathaway doesn't know the first thing about anal! Leave it to the pros, sugar tits.

14 "Help! They're not reacting to stereotype! Burn them! I mean, we (being the über-tolerant diversity side) know we're supposed to accept the benediction knowing that anyone that believes any non-Leftist religion at all is an insane wangdoodle,. This means we humor the schmuck. But... she actually did it without obvious condescension, derision, or mockery - and without any clever put downs either! Burn her!" Some days I hate the double-standard.

15 Whoopsie! Wrong post.

16

Did the Communion wafer burn your tongue like acid?

Picturing holy water on a vampire here.

17 In Africa, its a common belief that witches can make your penis disappear.

I guess if you believe that, witchcraft might be a top priority.

18 Just as a point of interest that may come in handy to someone someday: the proper thing to do, if you find yourself in the communion line as a non-Catholic, is to cross your arms over your chest like a modest lady who just lost her towel. The priest will give you a blessing instead of a consecrated host. This is apparently also the proper behavior for Catholics who need to obtain absolution before they can take Communion in good conscience. (I would welcome any corrections from perfidious Papists.)

19

I've taken communion in the Catholic Church.

 

Not a practicing Catholic.

I think it's like, polite.  Reciprocal even.

Yes.

20 I've had the horror of being around when a bunch of New Agers started invoking their goddess earth chants. I sat there silently.

Sure, I farted up a storm, but I sat quietly.

21 Having grown up in an Anglo-Catholic Episcopal church (full smells 'n' bells and but one buggery away from the Papacy) I came to love the taste of Taylor's Tawny Port, better known as our Communion wine.  Mom was the church treasurer back in the day and I helped her lug the jugs of the stuff out of the local Grand Union once a month or so.

As an acolyte (altar boy to the Romans here) I was in church every Sunday.  Us acolytes had all figured out which deacons would allow us to grasp the bottom of the chalice and pour ourselves a stiff one (or three) and we took liberal advantage of them.  Since we took Communion just after the priest & deacons (and before the congregation), the wine hadn't yet been watered down to nothingness.

22 Cropdusting eh?

Its a gift that keeps on giving.

23 I think libs are just upset because Palin's not acting like the way they think Jesus Freaks ought to behave.  What if... what if those Bible-humpin nose-pickers have some sort of tolerant (dare we think, nuanced?) view of things?  If the libs bigoted view of christianists is wrong, what else might they be wrong about?  That kind of thinking just makes them angry.

24 Dirtbag creeps like Andrew Sullivan have engaged in strange and unwholesome practices with colorful and weird visitors from around the globe, but my God!, Sarah Palin bows her head respectfully when a visiting African priest says a blessing and it's a fucking scandal, isn't it?

No scandal here -- the left is more than willing to make mountains out of molehills.  Many of Jeremiah Wright's pronouncements were far, far worse than this rather innocent prayer from a visiting pastor.

25 in my case, I had gone over this with the priest beforehand in the rehearsal, and he told me (apologetically) I couldn't take communion.  He knew the deal.

I think he either forgot or decided that because we had agreed it wasn't communion it didn't count, or whatever, he just wanted it to "look good."  No idea.

Doesn't matter.  I've sat through four Seders and repeated the elihenu or whatever it is chant.  I've donned the yarlmulke.

What the fuck, man? 

No one under either circumstance thought I was catholic or jewish.  They just assumed I didn't want to be a fucking asshole.

26 I'm Jooish and went to a Catholichigh school.  The nuns were always trying to get me to take communion.  They meant well but I told them if I did I would spontaneously combust.  Big mess, huge mess to clean up.

27 OMG I haven't laughed that hard in weeks.  Foul Jesus Cookie!  That was awesome.  My husband kept saying What?! What is it?!  and looking at me like I've lost my damn mind.  Whooo...thanks for that, friend.

28

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 25, 2008 10:47 PM (VSb6U)

You are correct

29 She's such a MILB.

30 I'm very sorry to say, it's come to this: can you confirm on the record that Sarah Palin is not a witch? Since this is a crazy idea, it should be easy for you or someone to let me know, the most popular one "man" political blog site on the world, what the truth is.

31 Does she weigh the same as a duck?

32 Maybe jesus cookies could be folded up with little fortunes inside? Like "Hey sinner - you're gonna burn in Hell! Lucky numbers: 45, 62, 78"

33

I’m a Fredhead, disappointed by his early departure, but now ecstatic with Palin for VP.

Some friends of mine created a video tribute to Sarah Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-IXHojCDI

34 I like when Bush dances in Africa.

35 Wanted: 8==============D Email this true Journalist @ andrew@theatlantic.com

36 Like "Hey sinner - you're gonna burn in Hell! Lucky numbers: 45, 62, 78"

Awesome.

37 So the choice is between a VP candidate that politely received a visiting priest from Africa and a presidential candidate that sat and soaked in 20years of "Gawddamn America?"

Hmm, that's a tough one.
Prediction on this one: backfire again.

38 ...just as long as there are no fucking snakes!  or jiggin' or banjos.

39 Zogby is out with a analysis that Obama might lose in a landslide, but won't win in one.

Also Intrade and Rasmussen show Obama taking a hit, going from about 58-41 to 54-45, losing half the spread.  Couldn't have been Zogby, something else

40

Goddessdamn, lefties are as dumb as bag of retards.

41

  Love the story Ace.  

Will use a version if Ozombie starts parroting this smear.  Plus bring up visiting vs. Wright.

Yeah, I like talking about Wright around Ozombies. Makes them crazy.

42 Now we know why Hillary backed out of the anti-Ackmadinejodd rally. Thank you magical African priest.

43

Yo Ace...Pastor, not priest.

And I can't believe lefties are trying to make an issue of this. Good grief.

EPIC FAIL.

44 You know what really scared these pukes?  When the priest was talking about it being "high time" that "strong Christian businessmen and businesswomen", people with "integrity" had the reins of government.

You have to decide for yourself if it was the "Christian" or "integrity" part that freaked them out the most.

45

When it comes to Communion it seems like Ace has a lot in common with Biden and Pelosi... although he, at least, is intellectually honest about it.

 

46

In Africa, its a common belief that witches can make your penis disappear.

Whereas in the U.S. it's a common belief that Enzyte makes your penis grow.

But honestly I'd rather have the power to shrink other guys' penises rather than the power to grow mine.

47 This witchcraft stuff is B.S.....yes, candidates eat rubber chicken and squirrel stew and all kinds of other crap, get peed on by babies, bitten by dogs, blessed in churches, etc. while campaigning. John Kerry even went hunting.

48 They can't help it.....she's their bane.

She so wrecks their view of themselves that they'll throw themselves under the wheels just to try to stop her.

Best decision McCain ever made IMO.

49

At that moment, I jumped up and spat out the communion wafer, screaming "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE!" and generally ran around like a jackass, screaming blue murder and cursing God and ruining my friend's wedding.

I know everybody has quoted this line, but I'm doing it again, so get over it.  It really conjures up an odd and humorous visual image.  It's the funniest damn thing I've read in, oh,  .......... I dunno, forever.

On another humorous note, Keanu Reeves Rachel Maddow got all hinky about the "Palin Witchcraft" video tonight.  I'm just not sure why.  What's the big deal?

It's not like Palin was doing some kind of Santaria VooDoo  hokey pokey with the Gris Gris Man or something. 

50

The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap is correct, Ace (and Dave in Texas). If you're not a practicing Roman Catholic who is in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion, you should not take it. I'm not practicing at the moment, and I will not take Holy Communion as I'm not in a state of grace. Please don't if you're not. (And sitting it out on the bench thing, er, I mean, pew is alright too.)

And you're not at fault, Ace (or Dave), but the priest at your friend's wedding was wrong just like the one who gave it to Hillary Clinton in South Africa several years ago. I don't know the list off the top of my head, but only followers of Christian religions that believe in transubstaniation, like the various Eastern Rite and Orthodox Churches and are in a state of grace, may receive it.

51 How 'bout we put up side by side videos of this Pastor and his calm, (slightly boring, really) sermon,  and  one of Rev. Wright's rants, like his, "G-d damn America"! sermon.

52 What's the problem here, these are Obama's relatives?

53 But honestly I'd rather have the power to shrink other guys' penises

Really, after the first few times you lose interest.

54

This is one of a trifecta of stories I've seen in Yahoo's headlines.  This one of course said "Palin received blessing against witchcraft."  You need to read the article to get that it was by a visiting african preacher.  Then there was the "Laura Bush says Palin lacks foreign policy experience,"  or some title close to that.  You need to read it to get that she believes Palin will be a quick study and has full confidence in her.  And then there was the "Palin not releasing financial information until after debate."  Its something that is standard for all Federal candidates and this is Palin's first Federal candidacy, so they have a lot of info to gather.  You read in the article that the campaign believed they had til Oct.4 but the rules changed so they sought and got the extention to Oct. 3.

But what have the headlines attempted to portray?  Palin is a religious fringe nutjob.  Even the First Lady thinks Palin isn't experienced enough.  Palin is attempting to hide financial information until after her debate.

55

Maybe if people like sullivan are offended by people accepting antiquated practices of faith, he shouldn't call himself a catholic,

Or he SHOULD STOP FUCKING MEN!!!

56

Oh, and great line about "Out of my mouth, foul Jesus cookie!" (And Kerry, too, Tom vG, as well as about four of Canada's past six Prime Ministers.)

57 >>>The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap is correct, Ace (and Dave in Texas). If you're not a practicing Roman Catholic who is in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion, you should not take it. I'm not practicing at the moment, and I will not take Holy Communion as I'm not in a state of grace. Please don't if you're not. (And sitting it out on the bench thing, er, I mean, pew is alright too.)

>>>And you're not at fault, Ace (or Dave), but the priest at your friend's wedding was wrong just like the one who gave it to Hillary Clinton in South Africa several years ago. I don't know the list off the top of my head, but only followers of Christian religions that believe in transubstaniation, like the various Eastern Rite and Orthodox Churches and are in a state of grace, may receive it.

I think he let me go under the "Awesomeness Exception."

58 True Story
Big Catholic Wedding...
200 year old church.....
Perfect acoustics...think "pin drop"
Family with 4 year old girl relegated to the back most pew.....
Girl given Barbie and Ken doll to amuse her....
In the middle of the Priest blessing the Eucharist (silence)....
Little girl pulls down Ken doll's pants.....
Exclaims "He doesn't have a penis!"

59 ************************************************** I have always been completely perplexed as to how any reasonable, free thinking person, could not cringe at the hypocrisy of the party, who is notoriously the LOUDEST to CELEBRATE diversity, now solidly the loudest to DISS and scorn diversity??? its mind blowing But everytime I hear Nancy Pelosi speak, Biden stick his foot in his mouth, or just SEE Barney Frank...it all becomes clear. reason? what reason?

60 I had a Catholic wedding, and on the stage with me were several agnostics, athiests, and maybe a devil-worshiper.

One of the Readers was a very good friend that is a confirmed druid/pagan/gaia worshiper.  Who is a very good guy, that dressed nice and did a fine job with the reading like an adult.  He didn't necessarily believe in the Catholic church (Hell, neither do I, but if I have to pick a religion that's mine), but he played the part in our particular piece of hookum.

Actually, it was interesting to see him do the reading.  We also had a bi guy in the wedding party (didn't mention that to the priest, and he also acted like an adult during the ceremony and did only what was asked of him).  I'm amazed the church didn't explode as my wife walked up the aisle, but somehow we survived.

61 No, but seriously, maybe he shouldn't have done it.  I don't know.  It was my understanding I wouldn't be getting the communion and wine.

I really think he was treating it as a "fake communion" or something as we'd already discussed it.

62 I was given a "damn you're hair looks good" bye.

63 Oh no!  the pastor just asked for righteousness in this nation.  Soddom and Gammorah (new york and LA) started shaking in their boots.

On another note, the idea of "witchcraft" is, in fact, the "bewitching" of people or convincing them to do bad things or things that they would not normally do.  That has nothing to do with "voodoo" or some "omg, extremist, literalism" Christianity. Most modern churches just translate the idea into modern concepts of being "led astray" or "mesmerized" by "bad" things.

He is obviously praying for her not to be "led astray" while in power.  Power being corrupting, etc.

None of these folks ever went to church or Sunday School where they learned these things?

Not like English is this guy's first language either.  So, he would translate that literally.

64

I didn't become Jewish when I stood in for the Tenth Jewish Man at the prayer.

OOOooh shit!

Sorry dude, shoulda read the fine print..

You did! You are teh jew now.

You can't get out if. You might be an ex law student...but these guys are Jewish lawyers. Their lawyerfu is too strong.

65 I was at a new age wedding, done by a goofy Jewish hippie Buddhist "nun" or something, too.

That one was the strangest.

66 Ace, what probably happened is he forgot.

67

I've been in that exactl situation Ace.

I was shaking my head, because, well, I was raised catholic, I have no right to communion, there are rules, so I'm shaking my head as I'm recieving the blessing, and I'm shaking my head meaning "don't give me the fucking wafer!"

Fucker puts it in my mouth anyways.

Didn't bitch, but I did all I could beforehand, cuz, like you, I didn't want to be a hypocrite.

68

did you have a frilly tux shirt?

 

if not, then you didn't have a weird wedding thingy.

69

I know what I'd've done, because I've done it before when involved with religious ceremonies I wasn't familiar with. I'd have stood there, smiled, and thanked him for his blessing.

Oh BFD, Ace.  Don't you realize that every Sunday for 20 years, Obama jumped up and yelled "Kill the White Oppressor and his Heimey-town Moneymen!" right along with everyone else in the church... just to be nice and not make anybody uncomfortable?  Maybe when you have that kind of dedication to cross-cultural sensitivity, you might be ready to be President, too!

70

Ace, you SHOULDn't have gotten the communion, or wine.

You never went through the process of acceptance of christ as your lord.

71 Ace,

I believe that every person is eternal (I love the lyrics to Nada Surf's song, "See these bones"), and with that in mind I do care about what people believe, faith-wise.  Having said that, your take on what was a moment that most likely took place in a setting that wasn't quite your normal comfort zone is very, very refreshing.  Life is short.  If any person could demonstrate without any room for any doubt what absolute truth is, most of us would fall in and embrace it.  The fact that you can perform the simple kindness -- the simple social courtesy -- of not being on perpetual high-offended alert in the service of a friend, puts you probably in the mainstream of most people who try to get along with people they know and like, but puts you way out in front of pundits who pretend that they care about diverse points of view and despise many of them viscerally.

I don't think that I'm saying anything revolutionary to suggest that the MSM and American's political class, by and large, is grudgingly open to religious belief so long as it is not actually practiced, and right there is the giant shining reason why Palin is so hated and is such a target.  Thank you for your quite disarming and effective framing of this issue.

72 If ever anyone was in need of a protection against witchcraft it's Sarah Palin. It's just an added hedge against dem hatchet jobs. God knows they're throwing everything up to and including voodoo at her now.

73 >>>On another note, the idea of "witchcraft" is, in fact, the "bewitching" of people or convincing them to do bad things or things that they would not normally do.  That has nothing to do with "voodoo" or some "omg, extremist, literalism" Christianity. Most modern churches just translate the idea into modern concepts of being "led astray" or "mesmerized" by "bad" things.

No, if this is the pastor I'm thinking of, he's talking about real witchcraft.

He later drove a "witch" out of his town.  He thought she was causing crops to fail or cows to become sick and without milk or something.  The rabble was ready to kill her and she had to vamoose.

Obviously, these are not the sorts of things you're expecting when a pastor from Africa comes to your church.

74

crops are a big deal in Africa.

 

I'm told.

75

I wasn't catholic...baptist, I guess. I don't really recall but our pastor made some big deal about not falsely accepting communion.

Like then you were really really really damned to hell, not just the normal heathen damning. Because you undermined the communion or something.

It was saltine crackers and welch's grape juice. WTF do I know.

I probably would have cheeked it.

I don't believe in God....yet occasionally I'm still scared of pissing him off.

76

Good on you ace, for being a normal person and a good friend. As dudes (well, those of us who are) we can all admit to doing stupid things for friends, and the closer the friend the dumber the stuff you're willing to do. Eating crackers in a catholic church as an atheist/agnostic (not sure which you are) is pretty tame on the "weird things that friendship requires" scale.

And as a PS, I'm a protestant, so I do communion, but not transubstantiation, so to me this is less of a big deal than to the catholics.

77 Maybe he thought he was sacrificing palin?

78
"Apparently some on the left think she should have done the former."

I think you meant "the latter", as in they think she should have run off screaming, which of course she did not, she did the former, which was act graciously.

79 You never went through the process of acceptance of christ as your lord.

Yeah, that pretty much is my view, as a Catholic and a Concerned Conservative Christian Republican.

80 Wasn't that Bill Gates standing next to her?

81 I was flipping through channels and saw Olberman whinging about this, I didn't know what he was on about but figured whatever it was if he was wound up about it, it had to be nothing. Good to know that the default assumption "Olberman is a douche, with no credibility on anything" remains valid.

82

Yeah doc, lets see how you guys ride out a blessing during yoitoshiwo.

WIERD!!

83

"Apparently some on the left think she should have done the former."

As Jeff G. says...

Because of the hypocrasy!

84 >>>Eating crackers in a catholic church as an atheist/agnostic (not sure which you are) is pretty tame on the "weird things that friendship requires" scale.

No it wasn't a big thing either way.  I didn't mind him withholding it and I didn't care if he gave it to me.  I was going to do whatever The Program said.

I don't think this is a big deal at all.  So I'm a bit mystified as to what Sarah Palin was supposed to do.

Dane Cook has a good bit on this.    Hang on, I'll see if I can find it.

85 Maybe he saw the CBS interview and thought Couric was a witch.
I got that impression too.

86

people chanting over you, in a foreign language, while throwing coin money at you.

WIERD!!!!!

87

Yeah doc, lets see how you guys ride out a blessing during yoitoshiwo.

...hrm... stab in the dark guess here, let me know if I'm write..

good year period?

—Ç‚¢”N‚ð ?

88 The prayer about witchcraft may have been unusual to Sarah, but I hope no one has any video of her dancing in the spirit or slain in the spirit or even raising holy hands ... all conceivable from an Assembly of God church.

But didn't she leave the church some time back?  And not like Obama, who waited till his polling told him to give it up.

89

>>>Dane Cook has a good bit on this.    Hang on, I'll see if I can find it.

I assume you mean his "Crouton 'O Christ" skit, which I found pretty amusing.

90

The required ten men for a formal group prayer among Joooooos is called a minyan (from the Hebrew "to count").

How do I know that?

I know everything.^{[citation needed]}

91 Aww man, new commenting thingy couldn't handle the east asian fonts..

92

Ace?

It's not a cracker.  It's the body of christ.

It's not wine, it's the blood of christ.

As a nonbeliever, it's a cracker, and wine, but the meaning for all the cathoics present, it's the body and blood of christ.

The euacharist.

The priest was not nice for ignoring your attitude, and respecting your seperation of faith.

93

It's simple: Everything Palin does is wrong.  Everything.  Because she's the object of the libs latest 3 minutes' hate.  She's taking over for Bush and Rove who took over for Newt, who took over for Reagan who took over for Nixon.

They have to have their bete noir.  They have to hate somebody and everything the bete noir does is by definition wrong.

It's like when McCain suspended his campaign.  All of a sudden democracy itself depended on 60-minute TV ads running 24/7 in a dozen states and rallies with stump speeches and bad 80s music played after the talking stops.

Why should we legislate anything?  Don't we know that elections are symbolic?

94 S-W-E-E-T

95

That was a good special he had.

Christchex.

96 There's a local megachurch preacher who I used to watch on tv. He calls the practice of wives withholding sex from their husbands "witchcraft". I've been told that the KJV of the Bible refers to witchcraft, and by that it means "manipulation". I don't know if that's true or not. I didn't learn any of that stuff in the Episcopalian school I attended. But I think this whole witch thing is isn't as weird as it sounds to some people, especially coming from an African guy with his own translation of the Bible. Code Pinkos are all Wiccans anyway, so what's the big deal?

97 Frankly, any religion ceremony that doesn't involve at least one dozen poisonous snakes strikes me as a little kooky.

98 I'm sorry, but Barry looks like Butterfly McQueen in Gone With the Wind in that getup.

99 This vid originated at Huffington post I believe. Also, Kos  joined in.

If you watch it closely especially before and during Palin comes up, his mouth movements don't match with the sound.....reminds me of a foreign movie with English dubbing.

This must have been edited and is being spread like wildfire around the lefty blogs.

Some of the blogs I have read the comments are cut and pasted.

Asshat Obama buddies

100 Okay.  This is sharing time so...two instances:

Easter Sunday.  Invited to attend church with friend and family because they knew I was living a long way from home and couldn't go.  church is definitely "holy roller".  Asked to wear a dress.  I did.  During the sermon, everybody is yelling "hallelujiah" and "amen, brother".  One man gets up and runs around the room chanting "praise the Lord".  At some point in the sermon, the pastor did, in fact, start "speaking in tongues".  That was my first experience with that ever.

No, I did not get up and run out of the church fearing for my sanity or life.  Although, if there had been snakes...

Later, the pastor noted the "new people" at church.  having been alerted by my friend's mother to my presence, he pointed me out and asked me to stand up so they could pray for me to receive Jesus.  I did so politely and did not demure though I had been "saved" at 12 and was somewhat freaked out by the "tongues" thing.  I was a guest.  That's what you do. 

2)  Living in Philly, worked with nothing but Catholics.  In fact, the only two people who were not catholic at the office were me and this one black guy.  We were both Southern Baptists.  Lent rolled around and everyone was talking about what they were giving up for Lent.  Everybody assumed I was Catholic so I was asked maybe twenty times what I was going to do and what church I would go to participate in the stations of the cross.

Finally, I got tired of explaining that I was not Catholic and just asked what exactly was entailed.  a nice older lady explained to me.  So, I said I would participate in this obvious community activity and gave up caffeine. 

Frankly, it didn't kill me (although, withdrawals nearly made me kill three other people).  It turned out to be a good deal since I actually stopped drinking soda and lost 10 pounds in 40 days.  Apparently, Jesus knew what he was talking about.

Any how, yes, multiple weddings later (Jewish, Catholic and one Hindu), I can honestly say that I have participated in all sorts of religious activities not exactly matching my own faith.

101 No I meant his "God bless you" bit from Vicious Circle.  I put it up in the next post.

102

Part of my very active opposition to accepting the eucharist is based on my sorta catholic upbringing, and also, the fact that I've never beven been baptised.

I won't even cross myself with holy wather, cuz that in and of itself is hypocritical.

103 Barry looks like Butterfly McQueen in that getup

See for yourself

104

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f20oIyqBvCs

That's the christchex bit.

105

During the sermon, everybody is yelling "hallelujiah"

Including the Baffled King?

106

So, wicked, what is yoitoshiwo?

Is it a new year thing?

107

Yeah, it's the japanese new year.

Very odd experience.

108 Including the Baffled King?

He as playing a guitar

109

Awesome. I may actually figgure out this language yet.

If only I could figgure out where 1 word ended and another started...

110

Christmas tree's and white robes, and fire gods, and other shit.

weird.

The money throwing is very disconserting.

111 Kat?  Actually the Baffled King was Composing.

112

No, I did not get up and run out of the church fearing for my sanity or life.  Although, if there had been snakes...

Even though I'm an agnostic, I'm willing to participate in almost any religious ritual as a matter of courtesy and politeness except for anything that involves the risk of death (and/or genital mutilation). And snake handling definitely falls into the latter category.

Ironically speaking in tongues and snake handling in church have a much stronger biblical justification than group hugs or (ughh) folk music.

113

I think the Kanji for yoitoshiwo, is "new first year coming."

I should have learned more of the language before trying to learn the kanji's.

Makes it MUCH more difficult.

114 We do a lot of "contemporary spiritual" music in my church. Barf. But no folk music thank God.

115

I think he let me go under the "Awesomeness Exception."
Heh. By the way, is your last name "Cantor" now, by any chance, Ace, after that Tenth Man thing? (And, Entropy, Blaise Pascal on line two to speak to you.)

116 Andi says the sermon was anti-semitic, and now all the Jews hate Sarah. http://tinyurl.com/3pb48m It's a link to Politico, not that conspiracy rag Atlantic.

117 Kat - You're nicer than me.  I work in an office that's not only 90% Catholic but also some of the biggest contributors to Catholic charities around here.  It's definitely very very Papist indeed.  Whenever Lent rolls around, I make a list of what foods people have given up and then eat it in front of them. 

I do think this is an urban/elitist thing.  I would venture that most of the chattering class do not attend religious services and do not know of many in their social circles who take religion seriously.  As a result, there's a lack of comprehension that for most of flyover land, we're used to dealing with people of all kinds of religious beliefs on a daily basis.  Good manners dictates that you don't run screaming and don't make an issue of it. 

118 I recently went to a Greek Orthodox wedding for a coworker's daughter. That was a bit unique.

119

I should have learned more of the language before trying to learn the kanji's.

Makes it MUCH more difficult.

Actually they can be learned separately. Take a look at the Heisig method where you learn the kanji by mking up a story based on the radicals and associate it with an english keyword. I've been doing it on and off for the last few months and it really does work. So far I've mastered about 500 of the 2000 jouyou kanji.

120

The priest was not nice for ignoring your attitude, and respecting your seperation of faith.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 25, 2008 11:32 PM (ul7te)

 

Hell, Wickedpinto, as far as I see it, it's all for dress. I'm one of those evil athiests- big bang, primordial soup, descended from monkey butts, all of it. But I don't see the point in getting upset when someone says they'll include me in their prayers, or ask me to participate in the Eucharest (I've photographed a few weddings, was asked to do this once,), or the pastor at the nursing home where my fiancee lives (long, sad story- I don't want to get ito it here) asks me if she can pray for her. The whole thing is, it's either because I'm being asked to be a part of that group for a moment for whatever reason, or someone is essentially thinking well of me. Whatever the reason, it certainly doesn't cause me to become incoherent with rage or make me want to navel-gaze for weeks on end. I'm a fat, lazy moron with no Biblical support, and I'm at peace with that. Everyone else is free to see God as they see fit, and I sure as hell don't hold it against, well, you for example, because you're a Catholic. It really isn't a biggie when someone says "God bless you". The proper response is "Thank you".

121

Approximately 50% of Catholic Charity's US is dedicated to offsetting legal fee's so that catholic coupls can adopt catholic children, who weren't aborted, despit cardinal pelosi, and Biden's edicts.

In Massachussets, there IS NO Catholic Charity's adoptions because of the massachussets supreme courts ruling on gay marriage, and now on descrimination.

Won't be long before a lot of well meaning catholics can't turn to catholic charities, to allow for adoption.

THANKS NANCY!

122

I have an easier time with the kanji then I do with the language.

I learned the kyouiku, all 1000, and I can say, if I pull up a japanese newspaper online or a blog, I recognize a good 80%+ of all the kanji I see and know the meaning and the on readings and 1 or 2 kun readings.

But I still can't read shit, because I know the combinations and most words have more then 1 kanji. Even if I can pronounce it I don't neccessarily know what it means if it was just phonetic and not ideomatic.

And if I listen to speech, I can't understand shit either. I know all these words but I can't understand anything because my ear can't pick it out.

A language with no spaces is an odd concept... it's not easy to say where one word starts and another begins. You'd think 'is above' would be two words but they say it like one. I know ue, above. ni, direction. aru, to be. But then they say it like 'ueniarimashite' and I miss the whole thing.

I've been using Rosetta, hopefully finishing level 1 of that will help me out and I'll start to pick things out better. I'm pretty dejected at how hard this is.

It is not like spanish.

123

Well Bill,

Like I mentioned, I was sorta raised Catholic, even though I myself am not, in fact I was never baptised in any faith.

For a priest to force the eucharest on me is offensive, because I never made my first confession, my first communion and so on.

I am being forced an honor I never earned for myself.

THOUGH!!!!!!

One time I did hear, that in a group setting, like a wedding, or a first communion, be you of the faith or no, you take the sacrements, that are bestowed upon those who are recieving the sacrements.

Lots of courtesy and phylosophy all in one.

I'm just a failed catholic, so I don't like being reminded of it.

124

Personally I am not a fan of the Heisig method. You don't even learn any readings... easier to learn them both at once AND then they  reinforce each other. Because if I can recall either the shape, or the name, I can usually get both.

It took me about 5 or 6 months to learn the Kyouiku, just with wrote memorization and dilligent repetition. But I also learned the on readings, and usually 1 (sometimes 2-4) kun readings for each one.

I never bothered to learn where the kanji ends and the stem starts though... gotta go back and do that still for most of em.

125 I clicked on comments and was going to do a serious post. You  guys are nuts! Love it, people who have the same warped sense of humor that I have. I am 66 years old and have a heart condition.  Friends e mail me and ask how I am doing. I always reply; "the devil don't want me and the good Lord is afraid I will start a revolution in heaven", still kicking. My church left me a long time ago when they went left wing. Haven't been back in 40 years. BTW, dated a RC girl before I met my wife, been there done that.
Ivan in Canada
PS: This is the best election I have ever seen in all my life!!

126 Whenever Lent rolls around, I make a list of what foods people have given up and then eat it in front of them.

Hehehe.  Actually, I did that for my friends.  Almost everyone was invariably giving up chocolate.  so, you know I had a bag of hershey's kisses or a bar of dark chocolate at the ready.

As for the other people at the office, most of them were just nice older ladies who actually did do all that religious stuff.  I will admit that I led a sheltered life as a young person with few inter-faith opportunities, so seeing people with ashes on their foreheads for the first time definitely made me go "WTF?"

I thought the head nurse had accidentally touched her head with something dirty.

I was trying to catch her eye and do that little "finger to the forehead" thing.  Then my catholic co-worker friend kicked me under the table and said "Ash Wednesday" and I said "WTF?"

thus beginning my short education in the religious observances of catholicism.

127

Hellfire Ace (and you may have risked that for your friend).  I come from a Methodist Southern Baptist family and my late redneck mother, may God rest her soul, didn't think much of those crazy Papists, and as for the Jews?  Well she knew who killed Christ!  So what's on offer marriage wise for her three children? My older sister married a Catholic (didn't last but that's another story).  Mom went down the aisle as the mother of the bride, and I participated in the wedding party and did what I had to do at a Catholic wedding. She was my sister after all.

Now I married a nice vaguely nondenominational Protestant girl.  No problems there. And we're still happy 43 plus years  on.

My younger brother was about as dumb as Obama.  He married a Reformed Jewish girl--needed to get circumsized and all that which he did a week and a half before the honeymoon.  And he converted to Judaism for his wife (that marriage has lasted 40 plus years).  Nah, he wasn't as dumb as Obama--he was as dumb as Andy Sullivan   when he put that operation off to the last minute.   But I'm the best man at my brother's wedding and I'm standing up there underneath the wedding tent or "hoopah" or whatever they call it, and I'm doing my best to go through the motions and do the right thing.   So when the time came to step backwards on a wine glass and break it, splinters flew to the third row in the audience. I stomped that sucker flat!

I guess the point is that the conservative viewpoint--which I hold--is to live and let live.  If somebody really believes that little green elves  carrying chocolate frosted donuts fly out of Andy Sullivan's backside every hour on the half hour--well let them believe that. It's no big deal tolerate other folks' belief systems.

128

Frankly, any religion ceremony that doesn't involve at least one dozen poisonous snakes strikes me as a little kooky.
LOL, Baron. Amen to that.

I recently went to a Greek Orthodox wedding for a coworker's daughter. That was a bit unique.
At a neighbour's Ukrainian Orthodox wedding, that had a very long ceremony with e.g. the couple walking around the altar something like five times while the best man and maid of honour held crowns over the couple's heads, my dad fell asleep so my upset mother gave him a hard elbow to wake him up and did not look pleased at all. I can still see it in my mind's eye. Heh.

and then eat it in front of them.

And that shouldn't bother anyone, alexthechick. I'd always still go to bars with friends during Lent when I'd given up booze for it.

And I don't think any of us Micks here are blaming you, Ace, just letting you know for future reference.

129 I take communion every chance I get (Lord knows I need it), but would never dream of taking it in an RC church. (Unless a situation like Ace's arised).

Here's the thing. Just about every protestant church will grant you communion if you accept Jesus as your savior. The churches leave that discretion up to you.

But the RC says you have to be a Catholic in good standing (in a state of grace, as it were). Since I don't qualify under their rules, I sit my ass in the pews. And take absolutely no offense.

130

I'm sure we've talked about this a time or two before.  Are you the one who taught english in Japan?

I could read the kana's like they were english.

"whats that mean?"

"not a clue."

but I could make all the right sounds to all the right symbols.

Kanji is completely fucking different, you kneed to know the meaning of the preceding kanji, to know the meaning of the following, you need to putt hem together to know what the next what is.

I had about 500 kaji's in ready recognition, but it was like , "HEART!"  "HIDDEN!" JUMP!  STEEL!  FAKE!  DO,act, THINK!

not a chance in hell I could read kanji, I just remember a few small groupings.   Like one of my favorites is "OKINAWA" everyone thinks it means one thing, it means another, and my absolute favorite is "china/chiukoku" and second is "NiHon."

The actual meaning, cuz kanji is a chinese creation adopted by the japs, seems silly.

131 That prayer that requires 10 Jewish men is called a minyan. I've lived most of my life in places where finding 10 bona fide Jews would be a real strain so now I know who to call! Having a pinch Jewer on the roster is cool!

132 Go up and take the blessing, it helps the flow of things.  Who can not use a little blessing?

133 111 Kat?  Actually the Baffled King was Composing.

Playing guitar, composing...it's all the same in flyover country.

134

I recognize a good 80%+ of all the kanji I see

I know it's Chinese and not Japanese, Entropy, but isn't the sign for "chaos" or "trouble" Ace and a hobo under one roof with only one bottle of Valu-Rite?

135 Having a pinch Jewer on the roster is cool!

Heh, Indeed. That's almost as funny as all the lefties calling J. Goldstein a Christianist.

136 Code Pinkos are all Wiccans anyway, so what's the big deal?

Perhaps, but I can assure you that not all Wiccans and neo pagans are Code Pink freaks.

137

It's simple for me, Wickedpinto. You walk with God however you feel you need to. I'm in no position to offer advice, tips, tricks, passages, none of it. I'm sorry you say you're a 'failed' Catholic, and that you're irritated by it. I have nothing really more to say, I'm just essentially agreeing with Ace- there isn't any need to be a dick about it when someone prays for you. What saddens irritates me is the number of athiests who are complete assholes about this sort of thing, when they by definition should be the least offended of all.

138 And that shouldn't bother anyone, alexthechick

Oh, it doesn't because they know I'm not doing it to be mean, it's just gentle teasing.  We've had some good conversations at work about how much less tension there is between Catholics and Protestants now.  I'm old enough that I know families that were torn apart because of inter-faith marriages.  Now?  It's not nearly as bad.  I think that's a very good thing. 

139

Kat Mo?

This is what I mean by the baffled king. in case you didn't already know.

140

Heh..I've never been to Japan.

But yeah..Kana is easy pie.

Kanji, well, (not allways) but mostly it seems I am good at guessing the pronunciation. Sometimes there is special readings but so far it seems mostly they use the on reading, sometimes the kun, sometimes the on or the kun but with a " or that little circle thing where (plosives?) where the "K" turns into a "G" and the "T" into a "D", etc. Hito becomes bito, kami becomes gami.

If it's easy like... hikouki (airplaine, hi, kou, ki, "fly go machine" and all the on readings from the kanji for 'tobu', 'ushiro', and 'ki') it's easy. But I'm slowly learning the harder words, just word by word. Learning to spell each one as I learn what it means.

But yeah...I still can't comprehend shit, either written or spoken. The odd "desu" here and there...heh.

Woohoo! I understood that! He said something about a bicycle.

What did he say? Oh well fuck if I know. But I heard bicycle!

141

I understand bill, but once again.

 

Raised Catholic.

142 Wait, alexthechick is weighing in on the religion thread but not Anne Hathaway's sexual habits?

That's just, I don't know, disappointing.

How about this...maybe Anne Hathaway will give up anal sex for lent.

143 "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE!"

It's not often that I am able witness the birth of a blog legend.

144

Yeah entropy, whenever I hear "DESU!" in a cartoon, I go "HAH!  DESS!"

Then I can usually put together the preceding word, or a few preceding words, but I still cant find a meaning.

145 That's a great Buckley clip, WP.

146 OK, more sharing time. I'm a preacher's kid ("PK"), and I grew up in an environment that's more "fundamentalist" than most of you can imagine. I've never understood the Left's accusation that fundamentalists are intolerant. I was always taught to respect other people's beliefs, whether I agreed with them or not. In fact, I was taught not to discuss doctrinal or theological issues unless someone else brought up the topic. As a teenager hearing this kind of criticism, I remember thinking that there must be some meaning of "tolerance" that I just didn't understand. It took a few years before I realized that tolerance is precisely what my parents taught me it is. And tolerance is precisely what you showed in your friend's wedding, Ace. A simple matter of respect, decency, and courtesy toward people whose views differ from yours. I'm constantly amazed that lefties can't understand this.

147

It's his only great clip.

He's got some pleaseant stuff, but his redoe of Leonard Cohens Hallelujah is just masterful.

148

I don't know who the hell the hon in nihon is.

Ni is the sun, nichi. Sun people. But the kanji for 'hon' is moto. The one used for books. Sunbook. Why not nijin? No clue.

I think I'm generally pretty good though at guessing ideographic representations I seem to have a knack for it. When I learn how a word is spelled like "telephone reciever", juwaki - recieve talking container, that's easy. That's pretty clever. I see why (out of all the kanji with phonetic on readings of 'ju', 'wa', and 'ki') they chose those 3 chinese characters to spell it. Jitensha - self (mizukara), revolving (korobu), vehicle (kuruma) - bicycle.

It's really crazy though. If I can learn japanese I can learn any language I think. I use to speak a bit of spanish... It was so damn easy in comparison! This is totally foreign. Right now I really feel like if I wanted to I could probably become conversational in spanish in about 1-2 months tops.

149

But yeah...I still can't comprehend shit, either written or spoken. The odd "desu" here and there...heh.

 

Feh- I'm better off in German and French. German because I love the language, French because of the influence of 7 Citroens, 4 Peugeots, 2 Renaults, and a Simca.

150

A very active catholic, told me,this is in response to bugler, that I wasn't taking communion as a catholic, but as a representative of the people I was representing.

Still made me uncomfortable as a lapsed catholic.

151 That video is beautiful too.  He looks like he really is expressing the words, not just singing them.

152

Entropy.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for the opening.

 

153 Wait, alexthechick is weighing in on the religion thread but not Anne Hathaway's sexual habits?

Go check again.  I was informed that my input (so to speak) was desired.

154

"NIHON" 

Means . . . .NI = Origin, start, Hon = BOOK! and sun.

NIHON/NIPON, (a linguistic twist on hon) means "the suns origin." OR, "The Land of the Rising Sun."

155 The REASON Japan/Nihon, is called "Nihon" or "the land of the rising sun," has NOTHING to do with Japan.  It has EVERYTHING to do with ChiuKoku.

156 What the hell is chiukoku?

157 Go check again.  I was informed that my input (so to speak) was desired.

Wow, ask and ye shall receive.

158

Chiukoku, is China.

Chiu, the kanji, means "center/middle."  and Koku means "Kingdom."

Japan isn't japan, by their own classical definition.  They are named by an ancient conqueror. 

159 Who is that ancient conqueror?

160

Japan isn't japan, by their own classical definition.  They are named by an ancient conqueror. 

Except that China never actually conquered Japan. They just adopted Chinese characters and adapted them to their own language. 

161 Now? It's not nearly as bad. I think that's a very good thing. 
Well said, alexthechick.

162 Godzilla?

163

Maetenloch?

Japan might not have been conquored, but they were surrounded, humiliated.  All their prefectures have ancient chinese artifacts, that exactly mimic the chinese roayal houses.

Japan was all but conquered by china god knows how many times, that is why japan always hated china.

164

My japanese, actually okinawan girlfriend, spit on the ground when we visited ShuriJo.

STILL! the japanese hate the chinese.

165

Heh.

From what I understand the Japanese hate everyone in that area. They don't like Koreans either. And I've seen some Japanese Japanese rip on Okinawans and islanders, there seems to be a history there with them being the oppressed minority.

They are not know for their progressive views on race. But far as I can tell, the hierarchy in Japan goes Japanese, then western caucasians, hispanics and mid asians, then blacks, THEN every other east asian ethnicity dead last.

All other oriental persuations suck ass, only they rule the school.

166 Yes, even the oki's think Koreans are substandard racial asians, and the . . . .I forget what the native Oki's are called, they think that the I wanna say iwadakigin, but thats not correct, anyways, they think that it's about time japan proper pay the price of war.

167

I'm not catholic so I've sent an email to my sister who is, asking if I was being insensitive or disrespectful when I laughed out loud at "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE!"

I sure hope not because I think that was really funny, really funny.

168

Maetenloch?

Japan might not have been conquored, but they were surrounded, humiliated.  All their prefectures have ancient chinese artifacts, that exactly mimic the chinese roayal houses.

Japan was all but conquered by china god knows how many times, that is why japan always hated china.

There's no question that Japan was heavily influenced by Chinese culture and language, but this appears to have been through trade and immigration rather than military action. Genetically the Japanese (except for the Ainu) come from Chinese people via korea perhaps as recently as 3000 years ago. The Chinese under the Mongols did try and invade once but were turned back by a typhoon known as 'kamikaze', the divine wind.

Yeah the Japanese look down upon all other Asians. The Chinese hate the Japanese and look down upon everyone else, and the Koreans hate the Japanese and don't seem to like anyone much either. Makes for one nice and happy little subcontinent.

169

Don't okinawans also hate Americans? Generally, at least?

From what I can tell, Japan proper seems friendly enough to westerners.. (or at least mostly polite), but I've talked to some service guys and it seems all the anti-US anti-base animosity is mostly Okinawan. I've heard some of them say basically they were loathed there by everyone on Okinawa.

170

Oki's are SO American, it's frightening, though they don't want their daughters fucking us.

Mainlanders think we are clowns.  So Koreans, just want as much American seed as we can offer, and we can offer a lot.

171

And the KamiKaze is post mogolian expansion, which did touch the japanese island.

Maybe not succeed, but it was there.  the language was shared somehow.

172

Huh.

The origins of the Ainu have not been fully determined. They have often been considered Jômon-jin, natives to Japan from the Jômon period "The Ainu lived in this place a hundred thousand years before the Children of the Sun came" is told in one of their Yukar Upopo (Ainu legends).^[1]

You know...that "ancient foreign invader" who named it Japan might been the Japanese

173

Thats intersting.

They always found their home by chasing the rising sun.

I like that.

174 It's better than "offshore rope."

175

From what I can tell, Japan proper seems friendly enough to westerners.. (or at least mostly polite), but I've talked to some service guys and it seems all the anti-US anti-base animosity is mostly Okinawan. I've heard some of them say basically they were loathed there by everyone on Okinawa.

Most of the anti-U.S. sentiment does seems to come from Okinawa, mostly due to nationalism but also due to the semi-frequent dumbass acts of American servicemen. It seems like every few months there's a rape/sexual assault/murder/DUI incident committed by a soldier stationed there. And ofcourse these incidents get huge play in the Japanese media. I doubt that the military personel there are that much more misbehaved than other bases, but it's a very sensitive issue with the Japanese. Sort of how we get angry when illegal aliens commit crimes here. 

176

Mainland hates us more thank Oki.

Mainland is NICER! but in fundament they hat us much more.

177 Oki, knows working class America, mainland Tokyo knows tourists.

178

Maetenloch, don't forget that rape murder of a 14 year old girl.

I was in the brig with one of those fuckers before he got transfered stateside.

179 That "10 men rule" is called having a minyan.  It is a requirement to engage in particular prayers.  It comes from the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.  God told Abraham he was going to destroy those cities because of their impurity.  Abraham prayed to save the cities.  First he prayed the cities should be saved if there were 1000 righteous men.  Then he prayed the cities should be saved if there were 100 righteous men.  Finally he prayed the cities should be saved even if there were only 10 righteous men.  God agreed.  However, except for Abraham's nephew Lot, there were no righteous men in Sodom or Gomorrah, hence their destruction.  The minyan is to show God there are at least 10 righteous men in the community thus worthy to be saved.

I'm curious as to whether for the prayers it has to be 10 Jewish men present, but I really don't know.  Under Jewish Law God loves all people and the Righteous of Other Nations (i.e the Goyim, non-Jews) are welcomed into Heaven too so by that I think everything was "kosher" that you were not Jewish to make the 10th man.

180 good thing he was in iso, I don't think one of the guys I served in the brigg with wouldn't have killed him.

181

I was in the brig with one of those fuckers before he got transfered stateside.

Damn WP, from your other posts it seems like you were in the brigs all over the world. :-)

182

Only Okie,

And please maet?

Don't minimize me more than I already am?

Please?

183

Probably, Okinawans know 19 year old soldiers, Tokyo knows tourists, and the rest of Japan knows only rumours mostly.

Do you think they hate us? Or... how much so? I've heard varied reports from people that have gone there. Some say they're great and very friendly and it's just a very different culture you have to deal with.. others say they're the most racist people on the planet and tell stories of being pissed on or barred entry to restaurants.

It does seem they don't know much about Americans (or anyone for that matter, being in the buttfuck far east with a 90% homogenous population). They seem to confuse us with Sweden (apparently we all have blonde hair, blue eyes, and huge noses). And while english is popular, it's usage is somehow even worse then my japanese is.

It's hard to believe they hate us ... Why would pop culture be so hot on English stuff? Xbox can't sell a damn unit in Japan because they're not Japanese but Spongebob seems to have caught on.

184

Good point entropy.

In OKI, they are IN YOUR FACE!

Mainland, they think they are just like you, (they aren't)

I don't know about the other things.

but in OKI, it's really, a challenge, and if you pass, you are cool.

In mainland, they try to pass a challange, and they fail.

Otherplaces, never spent more than a handful of hours.

185

they think they are just like you, (they aren't)

Huh?

186

Now, my firend who was fucking the daughter of a pol.

THAT was iffy territory, so she broke up with my friend.

and started fucking me.

UhOH!

Thankfuly her sister married a NAVY guy and moved to the US.

FUCKING NAVY!?!

so Nami "My means WAVE!" Nami was off the hook.

187

Entropy, it's like the French Racism.

Mainlanders think they are American.

They aren't.

188 Just wanna back up andycanuck and the Chap in the Deerstalker Cap:
The priest at that wedding did something he shouldn't have. We Catholics take Jesus at His word as recounted in John 6 and Luke 22, and as reiterated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 10. That wafer is no longer just a wafer, it is the Body of Christ. "Body of Christ" has two meanings, which are related. One is the physical body--that's the transubstantiation, which you mentioned. The other is the mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, whose animating spirit is the Holy Spirit, God Himself. The very definition of the word "communion" is a deep spiritual conjunction among souls (made possible by that same Holy Spirit)---so if you're not united with the Church (Body of Christ) in FAITH, you're not "in communion with" the Church, and therefore should not receive the Eucharist (Body of Christ).

Now, Ace, please don't get peeved with me for going all serious on you. You should know you're my favorite blog (I even dropped you a Benji last night!)--but I'm not going to joke about the most sacred things there are.

189

Do you think they hate us? Or... how much so? I've heard varied reports from people that have gone there. Some say they're great and very friendly and it's just a very different culture you have to deal with.. others say they're the most racist people on the planet and tell stories of being pissed on or barred entry to restaurants.

I lived in Japan for a year and found both to be true. Most Japanese are very inerested in American culture and are friendly to Americans, especially if you try to follow Japanese customs. However they are very racist by american standards. (Actually most people in the world are racist by our standards. The U.S.A. is amazingly tolerant compared to other countries - we're just more open about our racial tensions.) I did run into a few place wheres gaijins weren't welcome, but there were fairly rare.

190 Ace, you have outdone yourself with this post.

This should be required reading for all US citizens, taught in all schools and showcased on all networks for at least a month. I also think that a trip to Stockholm would be appropriate, but for that you would have to make it into a PowerPoint presentation, then convert PowerPoint into a movie.

191

In Oki, Gaijins were beloved.

had some yak fuck pimps try to stand us down.

There was a fight.  A brief one. and we played pool.  thats all we wanted to do to being with.

I hated the earphone yaks.

192 This African cat is big on witchcraft.

I've seen Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton close up. If that doesn't make you believe in witches, nothing will.

On another humorous note, Keanu Reeves Rachel Maddow got all hinky about the "Palin Witchcraft" video tonight.  I'm just not sure why.  What's the big deal?

Lesbian Rule Number 1: If someone refuses you sex, they must be destroyed.

I'm curious as to whether for the prayers it has to be 10 Jewish men present, but I really don't know.

Ten bar-mitzvah'd Jewish men, which technically would disqualify Ace, but I'm sure G-d doesn't really care much if your heart is in the right place. Heck, I'm partnered to a Jewish man, and I've been a stand-in for various rites, ceremonies, songs, and chair dances. Interestingly enough, as a conservative Lutheran, I know more about the Torah than he does.

193 PHOTO

Obama Serpent Handler

194

That brief riot off of gyokusai?

BEAUTIFUL!

The yaks were all dressed up, we were just normal kats.

A beautiful chaos.

195 Just so you morons know:

If in a Catholic church and not Catholic, or a Catholic who knows they are in a state of mortal sin, do not take the Eucharist.  It is not like protestant communion where you're expected to, nor is it just teabiscuits and a nice Chianti to the folks you're with.

No one will say anything, and the priest will probably give it to you (I agree that the priest just forgot ace, since you didn't do the sign). 

What is "the sign"?  Very simple:  you touch your shoulder with the opposite hand.  Either one.  THen the priest knows you don't get it.

Again, no one will raise a fuss (being polite goes both ways) but at the least the priest will feel guilty b/c he may have increased your suffering in the hereafter (again, this is not true for you, but for them), and everyone else will feel a little cringe inside if they know you're not of the Tribe.

If you think it's all make believe, that's fine.   Seriously.   No one is going to be offended by that.  And being polite is indeed paramount.  But recognize that IF the Catholics are devout, they will feel bad about themselves if you participate in the Eucharist.  Like they failed you.  Again, if they're typical Catholics, they won't much care. 

That's the beauty of the Church, you can be a human being and still hope for a shot at heaven. 

As for who can receive the Eucharist, only those in "communion" with Rome (acknowledge that the Pope is the big cheese on Earth): Greek and other ethnic Orthodox, Assyrian (who indeed call the Christian God "Allah"--I've been there), and the Polish national church members.

And PS, Roman Catholics believe in the Big Bang and evolution, too.

196 and let me add that "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE!" will go down as one of the greatest tongue-in-cheek lines ever uttered over the intertubes.

Welcome back, ace. 

197

Maet's right.

Not jost nationalist, like "I hate okie's, or I hate yamato's"  but a blatant racism.

Kokujin, is NOT an unfamiliar word.  If I recall correctly my dink girlfriend told me she was almost raped by a kokujin, and I met her brother soon after.  Her brother liked me more than she did, it was disconcerting.

However, sometimes, the dinks only meat the colords.

Sopmething that makes Oki Awesome?  I cant think of a single time when I had to fight a japanese cat.  I simply knocked down a STUPID AMERICAN overstepping his bounds, and I and my friends would put him on his ass.

198 Just a non-sequiter thought on that last Obama picture. Do you suppose the reason he beat Hillary was because he looked better in a dress? 

199 It is not like protestant communion where you're expected to

Careful. Several Protestant denominations, mine included, politely ask you (in the bulletin) to not take Communion unless you're a confirmed member of the church, a member of another church in the denomination, or you speak to the pastor first.

200 I Miss those old days.

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the word "some" should indeed be in there before "protestant"

Missouri or Wisconsin?

202 what is the web thing that kids like to use?  Not facebook, the other one.

203 Puh-puh-puhleaze stop using the word "dick" as a pejorative. In case you didn't know this, it got started when lesbians in the early 80's thought it would be cute as a response to the use of the word "cunt", which  they naturally projected onto every man since the beginning of time. People that casually call anybody they don't like a "dick" sound like victims of Progressive Education.

Besides, I like my dick...

204 I don't get these people. They apparently can tolerate just about everything but someone's religious beliefs. Or even someone else tolerating someone else's religious beliefs.

But the left has no problem participating in and admiring any non judeo/christo religious ceremony.

205 Missouri, Fr. Moronizer. 

You know, the ones who are pretty much like you, except for that whole rebellion against papal authority thing and the "we don't know how the hell it happens, it just does" explanation for the Eucharist.

206 Non issue. Besides, its way less creepy than the conversations Hillary said she had with Elanor Roosevelt. Crazy old bat.

207 born and baptized Catholic, raised and confirmed Missouri Synod in Michigan, baby.

Converted back to RC a decade ago

I know the Luderans real good.  And hell, remember that Fr. Richard Neuhaus was one of "yours" and is now one of "mine."

Luther was wanting to rejoin the Catholic church after they chucked indulgences, but the German potentates wouldn't allow it.  THey liked being able to fight the Emperor without interference from Rome. 

If the LCMS goes the way of the ELCA, maybe you'll think about it, too.

208 The priest was very wrong in the story. I don't think Ace did anything wrong himself, and obviously Jesus will be fine, but if the priest was not senile he majorly fucked up. This is why when I got married, we didn't have a nuptial Mass - just a ceremony with a few readings and a homily. Given that almost none of my husband's relatives were Catholic (and only about half of mine were), it would cause too much confusion and definitely undermine the symbols of unity going on in the ceremony. This wouldn't have helped Ace's situation, but for the non-Catholics in the group - if you're at Mass, when people get up for communion, you can keep your butt in your seat. You don't have to get in line. If you want to get out of the way, then walk to the end, let the people behind you out, and then go sit back down. Many Catholics do that, too, when they feel they're not in a state to receive the Eucharist. I've done it. It doesn't matter if you're sitting by yourself in the pew. Also, you don't have to do the stand/sit/kneel stuff if you don't want to. It's not required out of politeness (but neither are you doing anything wrong if you join in, unlike with the Eucharist.) There are plenty of people who don't do the stand/sit/kneel thing (mainly for health reasons), but it's not like someone is going to stand up and shout BLASPHEMER! at you (mainly because it's not blasphemy.)

209 #12 - Also, don't many on the Left believe in the blessed Mother Gaia?  Don't they known anyone who practices Wicca?


This is what has the left upset.  Now Palin's protected against witchcraft, so, you know, one less arrow in the quiver...

210 Most people here have probably heard the story of how the ACLU was outraged when they saw a formation of Marines with their heads bowed in prayer. That is something I remember doing frequently for major events. The ACLU filed a complaint. The Commandant of the Marine Corps at the time allegedly responded by saying, "Fuck the ACLU." Although I am now a Catholic, I was baptised a Lutheran, and I spent most of my life as an agnostic. Still, I had the sense to shut my damn mouth, bow my head quietly, and be polite and sensitive to the religious beliefs of others. That is just common courtesy, and it is not a lot to ask from civilized members of a society. Liberals always talk about cultural sensitivity and religious tolerance, ut the hate-filled, little thugs clearly don't mean it.

211 One of the specified things Jesus Himself said we should ask "our Father who art in heaven for," is that He "deliver us from evil."  This visitor's prayer did just that by specifiying a particular type of evil (witchcraft), which actually is very, very popular even here in the U.S. -- shamanism, Harry Potter, satanism,...oh wait, speaking of satanism...while we don't have an Obama prayer of protection from satanism, we do have Obama actually teaching the methods of Alinsky, and Alinsky was a satanist, dedicated his book to Lucifer.

So on the one hand we have Sarah passively receiving a true-to-biblical-form prayer of protection from witchcraft, and on the other hand we have Obama actively teaching the methods of a Satanist.  And Palin's the scary one!?!

212

If my inlaws wouldn't disown me, I would so say "OUT OF MY MOUTH, FOUL JESUS COOKIE BREAD" on Sunday.  Because seriously, the bread they have is gross (but I take it because it's easier to pretend I still believe than to admit I don't).

Growing up Catholic, I once asked why Jesus tasted like styrofoam.  Couldn't sit down properly for a week.

On Palin - if I were her, I'd ask for protection from the media - an evil on par with witchcraft nowadays.

213 Hmmmmm.

Aren't lefties multi-culturalists?

Aren't they forever talking up various African cultures?

Well in Africa some people believe in witches, witchcraft and sorcerers.  And if you believe in that shit you're going to a pastor for charms against witchcraft and witches.

Hell Europeans went apeshit over witches for the better part of 1,000+ years.  They burned so many "witches" in Germany it was almost an industry.

Liberals.  What complete hypocrites.

214 The Left tries to make hay out of every little thing.

Turn about the tables (Barry in some kind of garb ?) and the Left seems to neither get nor acknowledge that their point has just been hoisted on its own petard.

Barry's side is getting such a  pass from the press, his campaign can lie and slant with impunity without much consequence, while the faithful eat it all up and pass it on.  Their naivete and susceptibility to accepting crapola at face value is scary, as is their candidate's exploitation of same.

Funny writing, Ace, and the point much appreciated.

215 If the LCMS goes the way of the ELCA, maybe you'll think about it, too.

You betcha. Nothing like watching the Elks; it always reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the tagline is, paraphrased, "There's nothing you can't do if you don't know whether you really believe in anything or not."

And it's funny. Despite the prohibitions on gays, the only people with whom I've ever had a problem in the Lutheran church are my own family members. But they've gotten to the point where they keep their mouths shut when I go up to take Communion, probably because they have learned not to get into an argument over theology with someone who spent all but two of his first sixteen years of education in a Lutheran school.

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