August 31, 2006
— LauraW. What's up kids?
Me, I just read today's Ann Coulter and am regretting it.
I used to read her habitually, but she's so ugly now that I am loathe to go there anymore. Her latest is as bad as anything she's ever written.
I wonder if she came up with the title herself.
UPDATE: If I'm a shrinking violet, I'm in Godly Company.
UPDATE II: Did a search of this site with the keyword 'coulter.'
Holy crap. I knew there were at least two previous Coulter posts, but had no idea this had been rehashed so many times before.
To recap and refresh: I apologize for the glib-snark tone of this post, which has inflamed some (rho). I should have mentioned that I had long admired Ann Coulter, but at some point she just seemed to chase controversy for its own sake, and that's when she lost me. I miss the old Coulter zing, and it doesn't look like her better craft will come back any time soon.
And it also looks like I have no leg to stand on when it comes to ham-handed bashing that comes off as assholishness.
rho, if you're done with my ass, I'd like to have it back please. My head's getting cold.
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If your a conservative, someone like Mark Steyn is more talented and eloquent and appears not to seek attention for it's own sake.
Coulter has become a bad parody of herself- like MoDo.
Posted by: jjshaka at August 31, 2006 10:11 AM (JGJfS)
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 10:11 AM (aLDBr)
Posted by: Slublog at August 31, 2006 10:13 AM (R8+nJ)
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 10:15 AM (Id2DF)
You may think she's right, but it still reads like a smear piece.
Lincoln Chafee is teh stoopid! He shuld be shot! Ha har!
Come on, who the Hell is that supposed to appeal to?
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 10:19 AM (b4o3y)
Her "pissing people off" quotient remains high and I love her.
Posted by: Lucca at August 31, 2006 10:21 AM (TCzr3)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 10:24 AM (N1IMb)
Posted by: davis,br at August 31, 2006 10:26 AM (60wmB)
Posted by: Uniball at August 31, 2006 10:28 AM (27iEn)
"I've often wondered if an errant kick to the head by one of his charges would account for Chafee's rudimentary cognitive abilities."
This is political commentary? It is precisely the type of thing that we find revolting when it comes from the opposition's pundits.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 10:30 AM (b4o3y)
(which i have not been a fan of.
I thought this bit was pretty good:
The only reason Chafee calls himself a Republican is that he believes that everyone above a certain income level is required by law to do so.
and how, exactly, do you smear slime? personal attacks? absolutely. true? certainly. that over the top? Malkin's written spicier stuff than most of this column.
while i don't find it terribly funny, neither do i find it outrageous or offensive (except for the title, which is too much.)
Posted by: jdubious at August 31, 2006 10:30 AM (G7s9a)
I guess she's just mean? Oh, golly gosh. Whatever shall we do?
She treats senators like we treat trolls. It's dirty job, but I'm glad she's doing it.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (m6c4H)
Posted by: Kingslasher at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (SOfML)
Posted by: Steve at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (LrA6M)
'Cept she gets paid to do better. Besides, the insults lose their effectiveness after the 6th or 7th one in the same column.
Hell, I could to better than this.
It takes her to the second to the last paragraph to find any praise for Laffey.
I used to like Ann. She used to be witty and deliciously snarky. Anymore, I find her to be a bitter, vile woman. She reminds me too much of the other side.
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 10:38 AM (QWUn5)
And anyway, I'd hit it.
Posted by: Mr Minority at August 31, 2006 10:38 AM (W9sky)
Posted by: machs at August 31, 2006 10:39 AM (r5/L0)
As a matter of fact, yes. It has been political commentary for a lot long than it has not been political commentary.
Me, I've never been all that bothered by people making "Bush should be shot" jokes, as you can generally tell when they're being absurd and when they're being serious, and if you think Ann really thinks that Chafee should be shot in the head while watching a mediocre play... well, okay, I doubt she's weep into her Cheerios over the news, but she's not actively encouraging that kind of behavior.
What makes the opposition's forays into hardcore rhetoric isn't that the language is blue--it's that they base their attacks on lies and bullshit. Lincoln Chafee is about as poor a "Republican" as you can get. That he caucuses with the Republicans is a small positive. It would better serve the party to dump him, and Ann is factually correct in pointing that out.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 10:39 AM (aLDBr)
So shallow!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at August 31, 2006 10:41 AM (KeOQp)
Does she? I think she gets the big bucks to do exactly what she's doing. Otherwise, Lauraw would be writing for FrontPage and appearing on all the talking head shows, flashing her hands all over the place.
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 10:43 AM (N1IMb)
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 10:46 AM (p1s9n)
You nailed it, rho. I don't give a rat's ass about the general meanness of any of it. Ann isn't like Franken or Rall because, Ann doesn't propogate lies in the process.
Ann is agitated. Rall is agitprop. Big difference.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 10:51 AM (m6c4H)
And the worst part is that Ann is smart enough to know this, but she does it anyway.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 10:56 AM (OEbrS)
I miss Ace. There's some kind of joie de vivre missing from my life, and the cure is more Ace.
Or cowbell. I could use some cowbell, too.
Posted by: meep at August 31, 2006 10:56 AM (5j3FI)
theres truth, but theres also a lot of rotten bitch.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 10:58 AM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Bitti at August 31, 2006 10:59 AM (fqh4C)
Posted by: Tushar D at August 31, 2006 11:01 AM (tyRhL)
I was going to comment that the worse thing about this is that we were going to have to listen to you-know-who go on and on about Ann Coulter. Andy Sullivan is to Ace as Ann Coulter is to Allah -- i.e., Love/Hate. The four of you: Get a room!
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:03 AM (N1IMb)
Posted by: Clark1 at August 31, 2006 11:05 AM (zVsXQ)
(It's like the furor over Che chic. I think Che's best feature is that he got shot being a pussy, so I'm no fan. Yet all I can see with the incessant Che imagery is a Communist fag being used for capitalistic purposes, and it makes me laugh long an hard that Satan's pointing that out as he assrapes Che with a crooked mule dick.)
Every time Ann pops a zit on the ass of the Left we get treated to the Nancy Chorus straining juice through their panties over some harsh put-downs. Please.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:07 AM (aLDBr)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:07 AM (QTv8u)
Thanks, Ann, you shrill, stupid bitch.
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:09 AM (p1s9n)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:09 AM (N1IMb)
Because, before Ann Coulter, they took the Right's arguments so seriously.
You crippled chumps.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (aLDBr)
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (b4o3y)
Posted by: troll at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (yHvEo)
I look forward to every Thursday morning so I can start with her new column. Give em hell Annie
Posted by: Mike J at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (fEnUg)
As much as we dislike Lincoln Chafee, it would be stupid to endorse the other republican in the race. Laffey will lose in the general election and lose big. Does Ann really think that Sheldon Whitehouse( the Dem who would beat Laffee and may beat Chafee for that matter) would be more conservative than Laffee?
So what it comes down to is do you want to keep a weak republican in power and keep the Senate, or do you want a leftwing democrat to win and lose the Senate?
This is very similar to the Lamont vs. Lieberman race it seems to me.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (OEbrS)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:12 AM (N1IMb)
Posted by: Froggy at August 31, 2006 11:14 AM (E1hup)
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:14 AM (aLDBr)
Your right about that. But before they couldnt make jokes about assasinating Republicans or any of the other vile shit that they spew without looking like complete nutcases.
Now when someone calls them on their bullshit they can just turn and say "but Ann Coulter says the same things" and now we have to explain that Ann was ONLY JOKING and didnt really mean it.
We lose the moral highground and most people who are only casually interested in politics will just say a pox on both our houses.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:17 AM (OEbrS)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:18 AM (N1IMb)
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:18 AM (b4o3y)
Southpark is a cartoon.
Ann is given credence as though she speaks for me.
If she wants to be southpark, fine, but she isn't southpark, she's a "serious" person who is supposedly an important voice in the conservative movement.
Truth be told, if people were to use quotes from southpark to demonstrate my politics, I would be less offended than if they used ann coulter. At least if they used southpark I could say, "Did Chris Matthews just fucking quote Cartman on abortion? What a fucking retard."
My only recourse when he does the same thing with ann is to drop my head and shake it.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:21 AM (QTv8u)
Ok. If Ross Perot had thought like me we wouldnt have had 8 years of Clinton. If Ralph Nader thought like me we would have had at least 4 years of Gore.
Having principles is a great thing, but some times you just have to be realistic about your prospects.
Take what you can get now and come back for the rest later.
p.s. You guys shouldnt be such assholes to each other every time we have a disagreement.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:23 AM (OEbrS)
I don't give a shit about people casually interested in politics. These people don't vote. I'd rather have passionate pacifists in power than wishy-washy undecideds calling the shots.
This reminds me of the time I got mocked for not showing enthusiasm at the idea of catastrophic retaliatory bombing in the Middle East, on the order of "kill a soldier, your hometown is flattened". That? That's okay. Ann says they shot the wrong Lincoln? RUN AWAY AND/OR PANIC!!!!!1
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:24 AM (aLDBr)
Say what you want about being wussy about it- I don't need a sledgehammer to take down the other guy, I can dice him up just fine with a rapier, and make it hurt more. If I'm going to overcome my opponents, I'm going to do it in such a manner that they're going to enjoy getting beat.
And I thought Ann was rather attractive until seeing her up close... now, honestly, to quote WWTDD, "it'd be like fucking a stack of firewood".
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (QMGqM)
Chafee's a creep and I'm sick of him, too. If Bush wants to know why he's lost his base, this is one very good reason.
You can't take real conservatives for granted like Congress has been and expect them to thank you for it at the polls. "Speaker Pelosi" doesn't scare me half as much as "Sit on your collective azz and let the liberals bully you for 2 more years Congress."
If Bush gets impeached it's his own...da**...fault.
Posted by: bbeck at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (QTv8u)
Who the hell said that? Liberals? If we took what they said as true, we'd all be screwed.
When is Ann ever serious about anything at all? Sometimes, she's half serious, and that's about as close as you'll get. As to "important", howso? What the hell has she done/accomplished other then snipe people?
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (m6c4H)
AA, that's just objectively un-true. It's false.
You have become as bad as the leftists in your attacks on Ann Coulter, why don't we say.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:28 AM (m6c4H)
I hope you're not actually saying Lincoln Chafee is the same as what's going on on the left, are you?
That would be more false equivalency.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:31 AM (m6c4H)
Also isn't she a fellow at one of the big think tanks?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:31 AM (QTv8u)
"winners" recognize when their behavior hurts the movement they espose support for. Ann does not. "winners" do things to convince people to see things their way, Ann does not.
Ideological puritans are not "winners," they are totalitarians. Just like teh innumerable Stalinist purges or the "purification' of the state level constitution parties (since national was so horrible as to NOT TAKE A POSITION (!) on abotions after rape and incest), its the puritanss who are the perrenial losers of america.
I'm pretty damn doctrinaire myself (not liking Rudy and all) but even I recognize that saying outlandish things on a lark when you''re supposed to be some type of spokesperson is the height of either irresponsibility or malice toward one's own cause.
Coulter has become a fucking pus-filled blight.
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:32 AM (p1s9n)
Posted by: a stack of firewood at August 31, 2006 11:32 AM (G7s9a)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:33 AM (N1IMb)
We lose the moral highground
Let me just get this straight for future reference.
All this fucking time you've beleived we've had the moral highground NOT because what we're doing, but because of how we say it? How we advocate it?
The actually policies - meh, no so important, whatever.
The delivery - The stuff that counts.
??????
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:34 AM (m6c4H)
Political correctness hurts the movement I espouse support for. I oppose political correctness. Bowing the super-sensitive niceties like a shrinking violent hurts the movement we espouse.
You guys ought to know that.
Bravo to Ann for being one of the FEW (and I do mean _FEW_ because there are _FEW_) willing to fight that particular cause.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:37 AM (m6c4H)
I don't think she should shake the bean bag of every person she disagree's with, but I think she should stop saying people who are ostensibly American should be killed.
Baby steps.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:38 AM (QTv8u)
I'm left to assume you're all talking about Chaffee.
Purging Chaffee is "seeking ideological purity"?????
I guess I'm a fucking Quaker, then. Chafee isn't anything like Lieberman, getting rid of him isn't tantamount to what Dkos advocates.
They are not the same situation. They are not equivalent. Chafee didn't even vote for Bush, he voted for Kerry. Look at his record - Not the same as Lieberman.
Chaffee actually is what the nutroots falsely claim Lieberman is.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:41 AM (m6c4H)
Let's get this straight:
NOT calling for a RINO's assasination makes one a fucking shrinking violet??!?!?!
Jesus H. Christ on a fucking pogo stick. What are you, 12?
Since when is CIVILIZED FUCKING DISCOURSE akin to political corrctness? I suppose all those folks over at DU that dream of harm coming to the President are the paragons of MATURITY? Are you really listening to yourself? She said he deserves to be SHOT.
Is that OK with you?
Do the "Winners" in life really NEED to call for assasination of their slightly to the left party-mates?
I say this as a hard-core social conservative, but the bitch is fucking whack.
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:42 AM (p1s9n)
I'd agree with you if you had any kind of proof that newspaper columnist Ann Coulter is in any way equivalent to fucking Stalin. I mean, God-almighty, and you have the gall to call me a retard?
Just my opinion, but Ann calling Lincoln Fucking Chafee a fat fucking RINO is entirely true. I utterly fail to see the devotion to "ideological purity" that you so obsess over, but I do see a remarkable lack of tolerance for coattail riders and hangers-on who tack an "R" to their name for convenience.
And yes, winners fight. Ann's fighting, and you're afraid that somebody on the Left is going to call you a bad name. Way to go.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:43 AM (aLDBr)
Yeah they do. If people were as interested in this stuff as much as we are and the nuts at daily Kos Ace would have 20 million readers.
"As if it's the kind of issue that people really care about."
Look dude the MSM went batshit crazy when Rush said that stupid shit about that football player, do we need to keep giving them more amunition every time Ann opens her mouth and says something stupid? Im sick of seeing headlines like "Ann Coulter one of the most important consrvative voices in america today Says Clinton is Gay"
She doesnt convince ANYBODY. All she does is make us look like a bunch of angry spitefull nutjobs.
We cant have it both ways. Either we condemn Ann when she jokes about killing Chafee or we admit that its perfectly fine for the leftards to do the same in regards to Bush.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:43 AM (OEbrS)
Seriously, though are we only real "winners" (and TRUE CONSERVATIVES) when we call for killing the opposition?
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:44 AM (p1s9n)
I'm trying not to have too much of a dog in this fight, but:
We cant have it both ways. Either we condemn Ann when she jokes about killing Chafee or we admit that its perfectly fine for the leftards to do the same in regards to Bush.
Personally, i love it when the lefties do that. Because it allows them to show their asses. doesn't mean i think coulter should respond in kind. as i mentioned above, it was a stupid headline.
i'm honestly a little puzzled when people get so angry when the leftists pull that stuff. a) what did you expect, b) it's not a winning issue for us, c) it's a free country and if they want to advertise their extremist ideology, we're better off giving them megaphones than gags.
i guess i see the violets' position on this, I guess i just subjectively didn't think the column was quite as inflammatory. but to each his or her own.
Posted by: jdubious at August 31, 2006 11:49 AM (G7s9a)
The actually policies - meh, no so important, whatever.The delivery - The stuff that counts
Nope. I think that we should have good solid policies that we should present to people in a way that they can understand them and that wont make them think that we are raving lunatics.
What if George Bush had his stump speeches?
"Vote for me - Im not a big Homo like Clinton."
"If you ask me Oswald Shot the wrong JFK"
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:49 AM (OEbrS)
Posted by: Guy T. at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (j02xJ)
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (b4o3y)
::
Ann the Purist : Markos the Purist
::
US Soldiers : Iraqi 'Minutemen' Mujahadeen
::
IDF : Hamas
Disagreeing, disapproving of Ann, all this is well and fine. But this comment is full of people flinging blatant moral equivalence crap where it does not exist or belong.
Coulter is not advocating party purity like Dkos, Coulter is not seriously advocating anyone be shot, Coulter is not spewing defamatory lies about people and trying to convince people they are true.
These are facts and these are substantial differences between the things being claimed to be equivalent.
If you want to say "Coulter is mean, uncouth and vulgar" by my guest. I won't argue.
I also don't care. See above - mean language doesn't bother me. Civil discourse is fine but not all discourse need be civil, - it's one thing to say you don't like her writing, it's another to say she shouldn't be tolerated to say such things - that is a shrinking violet position to take.
But let's not engauge in gross hyperbole even as we decry it.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (m6c4H)
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:52 AM (p1s9n)
Posted by: wyguy at August 31, 2006 11:53 AM (vT7tc)
how high-minded we are. If you're going to chuck Ann, chuck her like
you mean it. Fisk what she wrote and put her in the Fred Phelps
menagerie of nutcases.
Stop linking her for good, don't just link her every time she writes a
harsh polemic and say, "Golly what a meanie! I'm sure glad I'm not like
this raving lunatic!"
Posted by: spmat at August 31, 2006 11:55 AM (P9eBz)
Solution: start another Ann Coulter flame war!
And this column is pretty weak to fight over. A nasty headline. Uh-huh. Nasty remarks about some RINO senator. Yawn.
Ann has cranked out worse vitriol talking in her sleep (don't ask).
How about some more ghey "Rammenstein" videos or whatever the hell Sobek was wasting bandwidth on. Just as enlightening.
Posted by: AFKAF at August 31, 2006 11:55 AM (ivbbD)
But it doesn't address what you've said. Will then you then admit that "we loose the moral high ground" was a poor choice of words?
Because that's all I'm saying - Coulter does not cause our moral position to change when our policy remains the same and only some rough rhetoric is added. There's a sensible way to say something and an asshole way to say something, but the moral imperative of what you're saying does not change based on the delivery method.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:57 AM (m6c4H)
I really dont think that the Anns article itself was that outrageous - just the Headline. It wasnt a very good article to begin with, but even if it was brilliant it undercuts itself with its unfortunate headline.
And in the end thats sums up Coulter for me too. No matter how brilliant she is or how right she may be in some cases she always pushes it too far and loses me.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 11:58 AM (OEbrS)
Having said that, I *do* find Coulter over the top some times, because the stakes are a higher than the notoriety of a tunesmith, regardless of the volume or quality of his output. I don’t get too exercised about it, but I find myself refraining from reading her stuff, and some of what I do read, I don’t really enjoy. But there’s still a lot I do find spot-on.
Posted by: iamfelix at August 31, 2006 11:59 AM (hHZ38)
I agree that Ann's writing out of Chafee is not the equivalent of the purge of Lieberman (90% liberal) by markos.
But kos never pined for Lieb's assasination. It's really as dumb as Frank J.'s crack about robes and ropes (except that Ann has a circulation about 1,000,000 times as large as Frank's (no offence Frank J.)
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:59 AM (p1s9n)
Bears repeating
Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 12:00 PM (p1s9n)
Posted by: linda at August 31, 2006 12:03 PM (GIL7z)
I know alot of people on the right decry Franken's use of the "sarcasm" shield, so I'd expect them to also decry it's use for Ann.
But I don't. I don't care about the "sarcasm" shielding offensive comments. I dislike Franken mostly because he lies, he makes shit up, he tells untrue things, and then uses sarcasm only if he's caught.
Ann doesn't do that. Nor is she seriously calling for the man's assassination - let's not play coy here, we all know Ann Coulter has not commited a crime by willfully inciting violence against Lincoln Chafee, which is what we seem to be accusing her of.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 12:03 PM (m6c4H)
I don't get this "prove I'm right about Ann losing mindshare with 'undecided voters' or whatever by hysterical bug-eyed nitwittery over the headline of a largely accurate opinion column and therefore losing the moral high ground of not being a froot-loop", but hey, if the beat makes you boogie, I say to thine own self be true.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:08 PM (aLDBr)
Posted by a-a
Like a hot chick who farts just as you are about to help her complexion.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:10 PM (QTv8u)
And, incidentally, he's on the record that he would seriously consider switching parties if it comes out 50/50. Laffey's no prize, but I'd gnaw off my voting arm before I voted Chafee, majority be damned.
Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:12 PM (1HKrT)
I will say it was a poor choice of words insofar as the phrase "losing the moral highground" has been abused by a lot of pricks on the left.
Youre right of course. We will retain the moral highground as long as we do in fact retain our morals.
But how else could I have phrased it? I couldnt say we should condemn Ann because we would "lose the appearance of the moral highground" because that would have seemed like I was saying that we were only pretending to believe we were doing the right thing.
No "Coulter does not cause our moral position" but she does make it harder for our positions to be taken seriously, by purposely saying things in the most inflamatory way possible.
I just cant help but believe that she isnt writing or saying these things to actually convince anyone. She just wants to create buzz for her books, and the MSM is more than happy to let her come on national television and let her speak for the conservatives in america.
I dont begrudge her trying to make a living. I do hold it against her that she takes away time and attention from more serious writers like Mark Steyn and charles krauthammer who actually can convince people about conservative ideals instead of just being the MSMs version of "When Republican Animals Attack."
sorry for my crappy spelling
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 12:15 PM (OEbrS)
I agree completely with entropy, #71. I like Ann. In fact I find her brilliant. Unfortunately, she does go over the line sometimes, and this was one of those times.
Or maybe she's making a point about double standards. Liberals can make docudramas about killing president Bush, etc,(see Michelle Malkin) but she can't make one silly quip about killing the wrong Lincoln.
I just don't like to see conservatives stoop to the same levels the libs do.
Posted by: Nice Deb at August 31, 2006 12:17 PM (woQK4)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 12:21 PM (N1IMb)
If a cooler editor's head had prevailed with Ann, it would have been a fine article.
Posted by: Nick Byram at August 31, 2006 12:23 PM (G556X)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:23 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Barry at August 31, 2006 12:26 PM (kKjaJ)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:27 PM (QTv8u)
But then I shit my pants when somebody says something vaguely harsh.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:30 PM (aLDBr)
Whatever. Wuss.
There. I said it.
Posted by: AFKAF at August 31, 2006 12:31 PM (JkloM)
Gotta be brazillian wax. No way is she letting a razor that close to her cock.
Posted by: Sic Semper Amish at August 31, 2006 12:31 PM (OEbrS)
Then there's brainfarts like this:
"Steve Laffey is the molecular opposite of Chafee:"
What does that mean? Nothing. But it sounds neat! Except it doesn't.
Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 12:31 PM (LgEUS)
Had Ann (or her editor) had the sense to just title it "The Wrong Lincoln", it would have been a fine and dandy article.
Posted by: Nick Byram at August 31, 2006 12:36 PM (G556X)
Listen dumbass how many fucking times have i got to point this out to you?! If republicans take Anns advice they will lose a Senate seat to a left wing Democrat. Can they afford to just throw a seat away? Would you rather have a left wing republican and controll of the Senate or a Left wing Democrat with Majority leader Reid? Thats your Fucking Choice.
But then I shit my pants when somebody says something vaguely harsh.
Dont worry. Id be more than happy to kick the shit out of your pants.
Id just as soon try to have a civil discussion with those freaks at DU than try to reason with a retard like you.
Posted by: Atomic Amish at August 31, 2006 12:38 PM (OEbrS)
Jay-zus. It means that the two men are different at the very most basic and granular level. Wholly and totally different. Cut from a different cloth.
I'm not even that big a fan of Coulter but this bed wetting is a little embarrasing. She throws red meat to the faithful. Deal.
Posted by: at August 31, 2006 12:39 PM (JkloM)
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 12:42 PM (b4o3y)
I'm not scared that Coulter is damaging The Cause, I just think she's gotten lazy over the years.
Slander? A good book. This crap she churns out now? Crap. Lazy, sloppy, dashed-off-at-the-last-minute drek.
Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 12:42 PM (LgEUS)
Because, before Ann Coulter, they took the Right's arguments so seriously.
You crippled chumps"
Seems to me the Republicans did quite well winning elections without Ann's help. Some people must have been taking the arguements seriously. Ann needs Republicans a lot more than the other way around. Not pithy. Just true.
You can in fact be a leader, attract a following and win converts without being a caustic bitch. See Reagan, Ronald. Ann won't be the death of the conservative movement but she also is no leader. She's a sideshow, she knows it, and she's laughing all the way to the bank. Doesn't mean I have to fund her retirement.
Oh and Chafee and his dad are and always have been limp wristed twits who are to RI what the Kennedys are to MA. Anyone who lives up this way didn't need Ann to point it out. If you guys who claim to be the voice of the true conservative movement and big Ann fans, you might want to answer why the RNC has been running Laffey attack ads (as vicious as Ann) for months.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2006 12:46 PM (rnOZq)
A worse mistake in the long run than shoring up Arlen Specter, which the RNC also did.
Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:49 PM (1HKrT)
Oh and Chafee and his dad are and always have been limp wristed twits who are to RI what the Kennedys are to MA.
Yes. And suggesting that our squishy Linc shot have been shot isn't going to do anyone on the right side of the spectrum a shred of good. Although John Chaffee wasn't this squishy, but that's another issue.
RI keeps electing Patrick Kennedy, for Christ's sake. Keeping the seat in the R column is the absolute best we can hope for. This idiocy doesn't help.
I'd love to see Laffey win, but it just isn't going to happen. Attacking Chaffee is an endorsement for Sheldon Whitehouse, like it or not.
Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (EErm0)
While the Howard Deans and Nancy Pelosis and George Soros' and Cindy Sheehans of the world are actively and openly planning the end of America as we know it, the lauraws and geoffs and aces of the world have their panties in a bunch over Ann Coulter speaking plainly in the media.
I'd rather focus my attention on the Muslim nut in Iran and his nuclear ambitions than whether Ann Coulter makes the Republican look bad with her irreverance to political correctness.
I'd rather focus my outrage towards the ACLU for trying to destroy America, lawsuit by lawsuit, than get upset when Ann Coulter acts too "Conservative."
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (GYhJZ)
Nope. Bad title, for sure. But the content seems pretty tame compared to some of the stuff she's written, and no less accurate than most of her stuff I've read (which, admittedly, is not a lot).
Yes she's blunt and tactless. That's her schtick.
I'm with Entropy and Rho on this one.
Posted by: krakatoa at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (gQXZE)
The Assassination thing is obnoxious, as was the raghead comment a few months back. I quit reading her for months after that. The dumb thing is childish, I do it too sometimes, but if I were in her position, I wouldn't.
Honestly, I'm pretty well disinterested in Coulter.
And I still don't know why people think she's all that attractive. Granted I'm not into blondes...
That said Slublog happy birthday, saw on your site, same as Richard Gere! You also said that hurt, yeah hamsters will do that...so sorry that was obligatory. I hear/see the words Richard Gere, the Lemmiwinks song immediately starts playing in my head. That episode was messed up.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (FUWRQ)
Hey Atomic Lamish: we've had complete Republican control of the House, Senate and Presidency for quite a while now. How's that going? Spending up? Check. Bigger government? Check. Taxes are down a bit, thanks for that, but proofing the Laffer Curve correct by spending like sailors in Thailand isn't what I was hoping for.
Best thing that happened to Republicans was Bill Clinton and a Democratic House. I'll trade Lincoln for some stiffer spines on the Republican side of the Senate. Thanks to the "checks and balances", the Senate can't run roughshod over the House and President. So what's your fucking damage, Heather?
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (aLDBr)
Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 12:56 PM (EErm0)
Entropy, kindly back the fuck off. If you look at things I write on here, I largely agree that Linc Chafee is an awfully strange guy to call himself a Republican. I watch Ann in interviews and it becomes an O'Reilly screamfest where she circles around her talking points and does her best Howard Stern impression in terms of inciting a response. Is it effective? Sure, if the point is to inflame and end discussion.
shawn- given the fact that I only got to ask her a couple of general questions when I fucking interviewed her at a book signing due to having to have the tape back at the station, she has not personally disallowed me to disagree with her. Point conceded on technicality. Happy?
My gripe, as before, is the perceivable underlying implication in her writing that there is some sort of conservative high-bar one has to clear, and that those who do not swing quite so far to the right are somehow betraying the country.
I do not care for her writing, despite the fact that much of what she says I may agree with on principle. She has all the credentials she needs to be taken seriously, but her screeds to me sound as unhinged as any typical college professor I've interviewed... she just manages to have more factual accuracy. It ain't my thing.
So, before the high priests of the Coulter fan club, I genuflect, and beg permission not to salivate over her writing... or her attractiveness (which I thought was high until being up close and personal).
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at August 31, 2006 12:57 PM (QMGqM)
And suggesting that our squishy Linc shot have been shot isn't going to do anyone on the right side of the spectrum a shred of good.
As I said before: anybody who thinks Ann is seriously calling for somebody to shoot Lincoln Chafee is an idiot and is unworthy of debate.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:58 PM (aLDBr)
Don't you think this year, of all years, Patrick would be vulnerable? Well, there are two candidates running on their own dime. You heard anything about them? They haven't a chance.
The GOP makes it quite clear it doesn't think it can win here and it doesn't care to try. How do you think that's going to come out? Every. Single. Time.
Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:58 PM (1HKrT)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 01:01 PM (FUWRQ)
So, what you are realy saying, Bart, is that sandy goes commando? And how would you know that?
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:03 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: Americano at August 31, 2006 01:04 PM (Zt8vv)
It's not a habit as much as a predilection. And objectively it's certainly harmless, but it's used as a weapon against us in the media and blogosphere every day.
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:07 PM (Id2DF)
My dislike of Ann Coulter isn't based on any complicated political calculations. It's simply because she really grates on me. Just as Bill O'Reilly and Pauly Shore do. I think Ann Coulter is a buffoon.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:07 PM (ePQxy)
Translation: Hey lets elect some more Democrats. That'll solve everything!
Brilliant! Its like im talking to Karl Rove himself.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 01:08 PM (OEbrS)
We don't need a bunch of do-nothing politicians who, when they finally do something, concoct lousy legislation comprised of half-measures and bad policy.
That's why I don't care if Lamont wins. I don't want Lieberman to win, I want the Republican in Connecticut to win. If Lieberman wins with the Republican base's support, the entire national party will have just taken a step to the Left.
Do you want more McCains, Snowes, Collins', Chaffees, Hagels? Because of them, we don't have border security. Because of them, we don't have Social Security reform. Because of them, we're jumping through hoops at the UN. Because of them, we can't profile Muslim men at airports.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (qLobi)
Hey, don't get snippy with me. You wrote: With Ann, it sure seems like rational people aren't allowed to disagree. At least I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were "rational." That being said, I see half the commentors disagreeing with Coulter. Your comment was over the top, which is what you are accusing Coulter of doing.
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (N1IMb)
I'm beginning to understand why you don't like Ann Coulter a-a. It's because you're an intellectual gimp who enjoys strawmen arguments and red herrings and thinks that makes you right.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (aLDBr)
Since it says open thread, I'll plug my new blog agian:
Gay Celebrity Crap
Comment's work on that one, I'm trying to get people to tell me what they learned from Snakes On A Plane.
Posted by: Dave Munger at August 31, 2006 01:13 PM (ebGbi)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:14 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:16 PM (aLDBr)
So what? So F'n what. Are you worried that moonbats are going to think less of you? Are you worried that they will hate you more than they already do?
The trolls we get here are typical of the Left. We'll never be able to effectively co-govern with people who believe such craziness as terrorists are victims of society, the CIA planned 9/11, Israel is a terrorist nation, the UN is a great organization, America is an imperialist bully.
They hate us. They always will. The only thing we can do is stick to our principles and let the fruits of our actions be proof for the next generation.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:19 PM (qLobi)
Ann has never jumped the shark. She's consistent. To that end, she pisses a lot of people off who would be fine with her if she was just "easier to get along with." But she doesn't strike me as a person who is trying to win a popularity contest. She's trying to get her points across. Her style is beauty + blunt force trauma. If you don't like it, change the channel.
She no more hurts the Republicans than Markos helps the Democrats. You can't say that they are equivalent: the audiences are founded on different principles. Coulter would hurt the Republicans, to the extent that she can, by lying or backing off her points. Markos would help the Dems by not lying and by sticking with his points (rather than targeting all over the geographical and philosophical map). But neither of them - by themselves - makes or breaks a candidate or a party.
There are bigger fish to fry.
Posted by: John at August 31, 2006 01:20 PM (Bt2Y1)
Yeah, but they're not typical of Democrat voters.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:21 PM (Cpse7)
I don't disagree with you, but you came in being a bit of a jerky right off the bat.
I don't like ann when she does this, I wish she wouldn't, I don't find it offensive, I find it embarassing.
And I'm not Scawoed of her words, I just think she's being a bit of a bitch. I am just kinda startled by your rather viscious defense of her, as though we were attacking your piece.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:22 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:27 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by shawn
initial was just to be smartass, the followup has other aspects to it!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:28 PM (QTv8u)
Amazingly, people read the words, figured out that half was bluster, half was for show, and came to their own conclusions. No worries about how the clever and always devious Left would spin it.
But some showed their true colors--those were the ones who used crass fearmongering and strawmen to make their points. I wouldn't trust those people. Nope.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:29 PM (aLDBr)
Yes, they are, sandy. Ask the next Dem voter you see:
1) Do you think Republicans are racists?
2) Do you think rich people pay less, or no, taxes than you?
3) Do you think Republicans steal elections?
4) Do you think America is the greatest country?
What percentage do you think would answer those questions YES, YES, YES, and NO?
I'm thinking 80-90%.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:29 PM (qLobi)
I aint never wrong motherfucker.
Using your logic Douglas macarthur should have fought to the death before giving up the Philippines on Principle, instead of biding his time until he could gain the upper hand.
Dont throw all your resources into something that is a lost cause. Take the weak republican over the left wing democrat and use the next few years to groom a good conservative candidate who can actually win in RI. Dont run attack ads against Laffee which will alienate your base, but dont spend all your resources trying to get him a win in the general election. Its pointless.
That's why I don't care if Lamont wins. I don't want Lieberman to win, I want the Republican in Connecticut to win. If Lieberman wins with the Republican base's support, the entire national party will have just taken a step to the Left.
So if the Dems sweep the midterm elections and we pull out of Iraq and Bushs WOT is forever branded a failure that will be good for republicans? Or what if they come to power and increase spending across the board and we have to listen to the MSM scream that the Republican Minority is trying to cut education spending and starve old people every time they try to reign them in?
Get the most conservative candidates to win now and Use the extra time and influence that we gain to groom more right wing candidates for the future.
Fuck Principles. We already got principles. They just aint gonna do us any good if we dont actually have any power to back them up.
Posted by: at August 31, 2006 01:31 PM (OEbrS)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:32 PM (ePQxy)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (N1IMb)
You are a nothing, just like the rest of us, and you speak only for yourself. Ann unfortunately has an adoring rolodex (kinda like a blackberry, but different) of newsies who can't wait to get her on their shows to embarrass us.
Thats the difference.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (aLDBr)
She made it the title of her column for what is at best a stupid play on Chaffee's name. There's no funny in it, and there's certainly no smart in it.
It's nasty, and there's no deeper meaning to redeem it. I could see her point with the Jersey Girls. This is just foolish.
Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 01:34 PM (EErm0)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:35 PM (N1IMb)
I'm worried that they'll swing the center. I'm worried that moderates, who we count on to be repulsed by excessive liberal rhetoric, will find this sort of conservative rhetoric equally repulsive. I certainly do.
In the best of worlds, conservatives enter into vigorous debates with their counterparts over the proper framework for guiding the country. At the end of those debates, you want the undecided participants and observers to feel like the conservative movement is worthy of their support and trust. Ann's latest works don't really convey that message.
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:35 PM (Id2DF)
Dude, this is like getting pissed off because you like Pink Floyd and your buddy thinks they suck.
Yeah, it's a bit more ideological than that, but not by much, really.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:36 PM (Uuy++)
I'd like to send him a letter,
Hey O RLY, I'd like to see you defenestrated for the annoying schtick using the stupid Thesaurus words.
Sinistar
Some crusty arcade
Ann Coulter would need a few sammiches to fill out to be an extra in Schindler's list.
That has no context anywhere. Needed to use the line.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 01:38 PM (FUWRQ)
Thanks to sany I'm reminded of the fact that I hate pink floyd almost as much as coulter.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:38 PM (QTv8u)
If you don't know anything about Chafee, what's funny about this? Who cares? It's just a bunch of generalized insults. Anyone can call someone else a moron. It takes no talent or creativity at all.
The best insults are specific to the target. Look back at some of the flame wars on AoS and think about the stuff that made you laugh the hardest. It's sure as hell not shit like, "I bet your horse kicked you in the head, idiot."
I love a good insult, but if you're going to be nasty about things it's important to bring teh funnay, you know? I don't mind nasty when coupled with a twinkle in the eye of the writer, but an entire column of concentrated bile is something I can do without. What utility am I gaining by reading it? I'm not any better for it. I'm not more knowledgable, nor am I amused.
If the goal is to simply get the lefties worked up into a state, then give me Greg Gutfield. There's no one better.
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 01:39 PM (QWUn5)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:40 PM (QTv8u)
The kind of thinking that goes into associating Ann Coulter, opinion columnist, with Stalin, who's ideological bent led to the killing of (roughly) 20 million people is the kind of thinking that leads to bad decisions. Like, oh, supporting a fairweather Republican because you're so frightened of the Democrats that you wet your pants. That's not who you want in the foxhole with you. IMHO, of course.
Wickedpinto, she's only embarrassing if you curl up and die because she says something sharp in a newspaper column. Dogs and Democrats can smell weakness--cowboy up, you fucking pussy.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:42 PM (aLDBr)
She's made a good living doing what she does, but now there are hundreds of Coulter Clones, just as nasty as she is, snapping at her bony heels...and she can't really get any lower.
Cannibalism is still open, though...anyone advocating that yet?
Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 01:42 PM (unUeA)
I found it to be informative. I was unaware, or at least forgot, that Chafee voted against Alito. That tells me a lot.
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:43 PM (N1IMb)
No one.
But she gives republicans a bad image or something, right? Right? I mean, who's gonna argue that as of today (or whatever day that article was published) we can no longer tell the difference between the level of discourse on the right and on the left?
We can claim she's ticking off all sorts of moderates...but really, what kind of moderate moron is judging Bush and republicans based on Ann Coulter, of all people?
She's not THAT effective. She is however, effective. However many peopel she pisses off, do you wonder how many she rallies? She sells quite a few books after all. Apparently lots of people like her, they're not all aghast.
And besides not lying, the woman can be effective. Several people have pointed out the trick where the left tries to shield people from criticism with "moral superiority" of being a victim. No one listened. They were ignored.
Ann Coulter says the 9-11 widows are enjoying thier husbands death, BAM, now pundits all over the news on both sides are actually calling it into question when people try to use past tragedies to deflect current criticisms.
Everyone decried her for a week, but it worked. It got the damn message out. It shocked people into paying attention. Now, the stupidass comment is fading into memory but the point remains.
I don't know if this is gonna be a big controversy....I hope it is. I hope she's on all the damn talk shows and news cycles getting asked "HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!"
Because you know what will happen? People who never heard of Laffey will find out there's a primary in RI, and people who know nothing about Chafee will find out he's a goddamn moonbat pretending to be a republican. It will help Laffey. What Coulter does, does work. She gets attention. This pleases me.
Do I want to run this woman for president? Fuck no. Is it handy to keep around someone with her skills for when the time occaisionally calls for them? Yes.
And the Right upholds to PC speech codes more then the friggin left does. We throw our own overboard so damn quick it's amazing anyone is left.
I can't stand Lott, but demoting him over the birthday remark? Ridiculous and despicable and shamefully cowardly. Democrats like Biden or Clinton or Rangel say pretty much whatever the hell they want and no one blinks an eye.
Everyime a republican gets too gosh darn awful mean we're trying to chuck them into sea. We're stepping over ourselves to disassociate ourselves from them. Is it any wonder how our Senators act? They're pansies. You wouldn't beleive they had the majority if you didn't count them.
Yes, yes, I know, we're different from democrats, we hold ourselves to a higher standard, yadda yadda. Again, there are differences here. We could move a good far bit in that direction and still be nothing like them, and still be not equivalent to them. These equivalency arguments are bogus and the people saying them know that, because if they really beleived the difference was so small to begin with, that Ann Coulter can upset it, they wouldn't care that much. Just because they go overboard in one direction doesn't mean we aren't going overboard in other.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 01:43 PM (Uh5fR)
I rest my case, your honor.
Ha ha, bitches!
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:46 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 01:49 PM (QWUn5)
Food for thought & grounds for further investigation.
Posted by: anonymous at August 31, 2006 01:50 PM (3wTNM)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:50 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:54 PM (Id2DF)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 31, 2006 01:54 PM (PcDvW)
I used to love her witty, well-crafted political savagery. Read and looked forward to her every column. Loved the red meat stuff after 9/11. I own the Ann Coulter doll. It was a gift from my husband.
But now she comes off to me as an unfunny jerk. Why is saying this such a sacrilege to you?
You're right, I should have jumped up and declared that I'm never reading Ann Coulter again because of her headline.
No, you enjoy her writing and I don't have any problems with people who enjoy it. I rudely criticized her but I didn't attack anybody else for liking her writing. You get no flames from me for having a simple disagreement based on taste.
I apologize if you think I was denigrating you personally. That was not my intent.
No, but I'm not afraid of her scawwy, scawwy words either.
Now who's the one bashing strawmen? Again; she strikes me as an unpleasant asshole these days. I do not fear her words. I miss her good game. This ain't it.
Your mileage may vary; why get all fucking riled up about it?
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 01:56 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:59 PM (qLobi)
Are you typing with a straight face that you didn't know your post was guaranteed to start a free for all?
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 02:01 PM (N1IMb)
Set A: wingnuts (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Set B: not wingnuts
Set C: veritable fonts of wisdom for our time
A.
shawn, Bart, rho, Ann Coulter, etc...
B.
Geoff, Amish, Wickedpinto, LauraW,C.
your old pal Sandyetc...The intersection of A and B is null, and C is a subset of B.
However, there is another set, which mathematicians refer to as "Set P":
P.
Spurwing PloverThe existence of this set and its relation to the above sets is known as the Spurwing Conjecture, and is one of the great unsolved problems in advanced mathematics, with implications for the fields of high energy physics and the social sciences.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (Cpse7)
Moderates aren't reliable, which is why you are seeing stronger partisanship, you go nowhere without the base, and the base feels empowered in the intarweb age. The base knows it can always threaten to go home, as its doing somewhat for our side now, and let the Dems hold power for two years as punishment.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (FUWRQ)
I don't think you were denigrating me; I think you were saying "boy, that Ann, she's gone too far this time, with her largely true article with an uncomfortable headline!" I think that's crap. You disagree?
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (aLDBr)
I thought it might create some chatter, but not this.
And Bart, I love you too, even though you're somewhat of a Coulter.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:09 PM (qLobi)
Thanks . . . I think. lol!
I thought it might create some chatter, but not this.
I guess you based that on all the previous AC threads on AoSHQ, which could only be characterized as, ahem, sedate.
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 02:12 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:12 PM (aLDBr)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:13 PM (FUWRQ)
All my love,
X0X0X
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 02:14 PM (rkK3q)
But the level on hyperbole aimed at Coulter in the comments was getting as ridiculous as Coulter herself, which is....let's say, ironic.
And as I said above in the very long rant which no one will read because it's too long, everytime I turn around Conservatives are tripping over themselves to attack thier own, because we're all afraid of pissing off liberal voters. At this point, Ann Coulter saying something ridiculous and slightly offensive is hardly anything new. It's not as devestating as some think it is. It will not send moderates and unicorns and other mythical creatures into spastic fits, following by fleeing to democrats.
The level of partisan discourse is about the 682 most important issue facing this country, and if you settled the first 681 it would go away by itself.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:14 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:15 PM (FUWRQ)
I, for one, call on all prominent republicans to have a "Sister Souljah moment" and denounce Bart, for the good of this country.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 02:15 PM (ePQxy)
Ive been kind of curious about the old bird myself lately. So far ive found the names Spurwing Plover, Sandpiper(i think), Krazy Kagu, Fire Bird, Dick "Great Auk" Short, and Night Heron linked to him.
He seems to really like bad movies, pokemon, right wing websites from the sites that ive found him on.
Ive also found comments from him(i think) on some childrens websites(!) and a comment on some crazy site in New Mexico accusing bush of some crazy shit.
He's said that he lives in Etna California on a couple os sites.
I think he uses Anonymizer to cover his tracks - er flight path - some times too.
T
he more I learn the less I know about the true nature of the Plover. I think i may be tampering with forces beyond my control.
If anything happens to me tell my wife that I love her.
And you can tell my girlfriend the same thing.
Posted by: Amish Bird Watcher at August 31, 2006 02:20 PM (OEbrS)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:23 PM (qLobi)
I've seen you argue this several different times in this thread, Entropy. Speaking only for myself, I could give a flying rat fuck what leftists think of me. I know who and what they are and don't hold enough respect for them to concern myself with whatever rattles around in their maladjusted psyches when they see me coming.
I just happen to think Ann is pretty much an asshole these days. I don't enjoy her writing and don't believe that she represents any cause other than her own pocketbook. Her friendship with a world class asshole like Bill Maher says a lot about her,in my opinion. Personally, I don't hang with serial liars. I wonder why she's ok with it?
(Yes, Bart. Guilt by association. Except that it's not an association of opinion, in this case but of friendship. And I do judge those by the company they keep.)
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 02:23 PM (rkK3q)
Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday dear Slub------log!
Happy birthday to you!
Mine is on Saturday. I'm, older.
kevlarchick's was Monday. She's, younger.
I feel like singing another song.
We are the world....
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 31, 2006 02:25 PM (q4pY6)
rho, I was literally giggling when I put the update up. I thought this whole thing was funny...at first.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:26 PM (DbybK)
Entropy and I are on the same page on this one. I'll word it my way though. We cannibalize ourselves because agaain we let the left dictate OUR moral standards.
The Orthodoxy Doctrine strikes again. The left uses our own sense of ethics to try to hold us to a paralyzingly rigid doctrine, and we accept it, making it near impossible to fight effectively. Same thing they did in Nam, and what they're trying to do in Iraq, and what they'll do in domestic politics if we allow them to. Ann's not above criticism, but lets be smart, not just throw her off the bus because libs tell us she's embarassing.
I say again, Fuck the Doctrine, I play to win.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:27 PM (FUWRQ)
...and then you jumped ugly, and then somebody else said that Coulter gets more cock than me.
And that wounds, man.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:28 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: kevlarchick at August 31, 2006 02:31 PM (mCza6)
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:32 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 02:33 PM (OEbrS)
Conservatives are Israel.
Ann has just blown up 3 children.
Hezbollah was in the building - I don't give a fuck.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:35 PM (Uh5fR)
Small correction. I don't give a wet fart what liberals think of Ann or if they are pissed off at what she says. I don't like the way she says things even if agree with some of the points she is trying to make. Period.
I may have a problem with someone and argue with them on merits. But if I sink to the level of over the top hyperbole and stupid insults my arguements lose impact. So do hers. It's that simple.
Personally, I'm a little more amused by the people who reflexively defend Ann as if she is someone of merit. She's just a columnist/author and none of you are going to get to hit it.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2006 02:36 PM (rnOZq)
Sinistar, I was thinking about...you.
Okay, H-Mo's, get a room.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:39 PM (qLobi)
I don't think you were denigrating me; I think you were saying "boy, that Ann, she's gone too far this time, with her largely true article with an uncomfortable headline!" I think that's crap. You disagree?
Jesus Christ.
She's a boor. She has lost her brilliant crackle, her style. She found eight ways to call somebody a big stupidhead. A jerk who agrees with me is still a jerk.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:41 PM (DbybK)
Been there. Done that. Got a little Souvenir.
Posted by: Amish 2 steals from Amish 1 at August 31, 2006 02:41 PM (OEbrS)
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:43 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:45 PM (FUWRQ)
You didn't sound like you were giggling when you posted. When called on it, you got defensive. Now you say she's a boor who's lost her style and, I assume, has gotten boring. Yet you were giggling? Yeah, that makes sense.
My guess--you read the headline, thought "what will other people think of me if I don't denounce it right away", and did so. That's a guess. It happens to be in keeping with what you've written, at least by my interpretation. It helps that a lot of other people are willing to throw over Ann because they think she endorses "ideological purity"--ironic that, eh?--and not a few who wish this whole debate would go away because their previous statements sound kind of stupid when examined.
But, it's just a moronblog. So yeah, whatever.
Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:50 PM (aLDBr)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 03:03 PM (K2rlS)
You really shouldnt Sandy. It could be dangerous. Thats the problem with boars - they never know if your laughing with them or at them.
Posted by: at August 31, 2006 03:14 PM (OEbrS)
From E&P: "Ann Coulter periodically "jokes" about the deaths of certain liberals and other enemies but this week the killing reference appears right in the headline of her column."
From Winds of Change: "Look, she's a source of amusement to a lot of people, but I've got to say - I'm not amused, I'm disgusted. She's not a random comment troll at DU, she's a best-selling author. What exactly does she have to do to get shunned? How far does she have to go?"
From Media Matters (yuk): "This is not the first time Coulter has alluded to killing those she disagrees with"
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:14 PM (Id2DF)
Personally, I like Ann, and her style. I have read her books (including her latest) and enjoyed the way she beats the Liberals down, but that is just me.
So, to summarize, you either like or not, minds won't be changed
Posted by: Mr Minority at August 31, 2006 03:16 PM (d9Vel)
Already done - on grounds of culinary insanity.
I sorta like Ann, but when I think of Bart's version of Bananas Foster, I realize I'm going to have to reconsider.
Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 03:23 PM (DtIRb)
Plus, it's a little tone deaf to publicly compliment a single woman like Coulter on how much she gets laid, in effect calling her a slut.
Posted by: stace at August 31, 2006 03:23 PM (A56/D)
Bush Sr. & Bill Clinton.
Ted Kennedy & that sen. from Utah whose name I can't remember.
JeffG & Jeralyn.
Are Bush, noname, and JeffG all assholes?
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:25 PM (N1IMb)
Anyone who thinks that the title was outrageous and unacceptable and wrong and over the line, vulgar, uncouth, assholish, whatever:
Let me ask you this, how do you feel about Chappaquidick cracks?
Kennedy Drank, Mary Jo Sank
"Mary Jo Sank", of course, callously referring to a young, 20 something woman who spend as much as two hours trapped in a submerged car before drowning to death.
Copacetic? Or despicable?
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 03:26 PM (Uh5fR)
That's not my position at all - I liked a lot of her earlier work and own one of her books. But as she got more strident I lost interest.
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:27 PM (Id2DF)
Let me ask you this, how do you feel about Chappaquidick cracks?
I think they're pretty old and tired. I wince every time I see one. There's plenty of recent grotesquerie on Kennedy's part without reaching back that far.
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:29 PM (Id2DF)
max, do you like pie?
Can you smell...la la la la la la la...
what the Rock is cooking?
Seriously, what do you have against pie?
Posted by: The Rock at August 31, 2006 03:29 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:32 PM (N1IMb)
What a crappy poll. OBL is not like the Hitler of our time - he's like the Trotsky or Lenin of our time.
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:32 PM (Id2DF)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 03:37 PM (qLobi)
Ted Kennedy & that sen. from Utah whose name I can't remember.
JeffG & Jeralyn.
Are Bush, noname, and JeffG all assholes?
I can't comment on any but the first, but yeah, when Bush Sr started hanging around Clinton it made me question his own character.
You can judge someone plenty by the company they keep. Most of the people I respect and/or admire surround themselves with people of good character.
I don't hang out with liars, thieves, wifebeaters, and other assorted shitheads. Those aren't my values. Birds of a feather....
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:41 PM (QWUn5)
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:47 PM (QWUn5)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:48 PM (N1IMb)
If ace were habitually dishonest in his style of argument or made a habit of editing comments he didn't like, I'd find another blog.
I'm not going to ever embarrass myself trying to defend someone else's dishonesty.
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:49 PM (QWUn5)
rho, I was surfing around for something to post today when it became clear that Ace was still away, and found this headline. I shook my head and smiled, Ann never stops with the bullshit these days. Good enough. Put it up there. I was on a chat with someone else, laughing about her.
what will other people think of me if I don't denounce it right away", and did so.
Guy, I don't remember even ever having been involved much with the other Coulter threads that Ace posted. Does this really sound like me? Like I always have to register my oh-so-very-important opprobrium or else your fucking world will stop spinning?
That's not me.
Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 03:50 PM (6YRS5)
House always as something sarcastic to say to his colleagues, his boss, his patients, and anyone else he encounters. The writing, in my opinion, is superb.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 03:53 PM (qLobi)
It's about a mean-spirited, cynical, sarcastic, but brilliant doctor.
It's sorta like Ann Coulter M.D.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 03:59 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:01 PM (N1IMb)
I think Bush Sr. was a bad president. Reagan chose poorly. Fortunately, Dubya has vision and values which his father lacked.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 04:03 PM (Cpse7)
And, I loved Jeeves and Wooster. Fry and Laurie were frickin great on Black Adder.
Black Adder was one of those shows that assembled the perfect cast.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:05 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:05 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:06 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:08 PM (N1IMb)
(a) Ann Coulter writing nasty things about Democrats
or
(b) George Bush's support of an asswipe like Lincon Chafee, who votes like a Democrat 90% of the time.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (jqv3S)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (N1IMb)
Are you saying Bush is a better person than his dad?
Can you explain why Bush sr. was such a success in life, and lil' Bush such a loser?
I see Coulter's book isn't even in the top 200 selling books on Amazon...ouch.
No wonder she's so desperate to stir up sales...she probably can't make the mortgage payment on the mansion she bought at the top of the housing bubble...
Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (unUeA)
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:12 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:13 PM (Id2DF)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:13 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:18 PM (Uh5fR)
d) Steve Spurrier leaving Florida, failing as head coach of the Redskins, then going to coach South Carolina.
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:21 PM (qLobi)
Posted by: Jack M. at August 31, 2006 04:22 PM (Jb1EJ)
Taking what too seriously? That I don't like Ann Coulter? I'm not getting worked up over it at all. If you'll notice, I've steered wide of the ensuing flame war. I've just been posting my opinion.
You don't know people as well as you think you do just by shooting the breeze with them on a blog.
The only person that I commented on from my blog experience was Kevin from Wizbang. No, I don't think I can see into his soul, but anyone who would tolerate a co-bloggers selective editing of comments to make people who disagree with him look bad is someone I'll never trust.
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 04:22 PM (QWUn5)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:25 PM (qLobi)
Disguise your gherkin with a merkin
My gherkin with merkin?
Yes, the gherkin with the merkin stops the lurkin' and the jerkin'.
Let me be certain: the gherkin with the merkin stops the gherkin workin'?
No! If you're shirkin' the merkin your gherkin will be workin'!
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:29 PM (Id2DF)
Beth, you bad, bad girl... I Googled "Debbie the Fucktard Schlussel" and got sent on a 2-hour tour of fucktard porn: Now Ima hafta have an exorcist come over and burn the imgaes off my brain!
Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 04:29 PM (DHWob)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:33 PM (qLobi)
90% of tv today is just characters bitching back and forth while being filmed by a dude having a seizure.
Even tv land sucks. All they show are crappy 80s shows. Remember when Nick at Night came out? Remember why you watched it? Thats right - to get away from crappy 80s tv.
Fuck Fresh Prince and fuck Ann Coulter.
Posted by: a-a at August 31, 2006 04:40 PM (OEbrS)
I dunno, Amish, some people seem to pull it off.
Posted by: at August 31, 2006 04:43 PM (qLobi)
Like Coulter and like House
Hate Coulter and hate House.
Hate one but not the other.
I speculate that the 3rd group will practically nonexistant. At least, so long as you don't include lefties or moderate unicorns.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:44 PM (Uh5fR)
I dunno a-a, Ive worked with attending docs in teaching nospitals that are just like him. Assholes all the way: they couldn't survivie in a real hospital, so they stay on in teaching hospitals and mainly torture residents. They leave the nurses alone, for the most part btw because they would get the asses handed to them (which is why I don't watch Grey's Anatomy.)
Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 04:49 PM (DHWob)
Put me down as indifferent to both...I understand the product they are selling...just not that interested.
Big fan of Blackadder, though.
Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 04:51 PM (unUeA)
she wrote about Chafee. He is an idiotic trust fund baby.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Caine at August 31, 2006 04:51 PM (/qozD)
Look, if that man was saving your life, you'd take all his bullshit and you'd like it, Mr lose-the-principles-and-live-to-fight-another-day. Because House may be rough on the outside, but inside, he really cares, man. He really cares.
And knowing is half the battle.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:52 PM (Uh5fR)
It's supposed to be a takeoff on the famous Danny Kaye riff in The Court Jester:Hawkins: I've got it! The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?
Griselda: ...but there's been a change: they broke the chalice from the palace...
Hawkins: They broke the chalice from the palace?
Griselda: ...and replaced it. With a flagon.
Hawkins: A flagon?
Griselda: With the figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: ...but did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon! The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that!
Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:54 PM (Id2DF)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:57 PM (qLobi)
Not sure that I want to give this asshole my money.
Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:59 PM (N1IMb)
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:08 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 05:12 PM (qLobi)
Well maybe if the writers of House were as talented as I am then they would have a better show. How many cock jokes does Omar Epps make per episode? Precious few my friend.
"Mr lose-the-principles-and-live-to-fight-another-day"
If every episode ended with a recently cured patient stomping the living hell out of House I might watch it too.
Maybe a very special episode starring emmanuel lewis as one of those Make a Wish Foundation kids whos last request is to see House sodomized by his own cane.
I smell Emmy
Posted by: Amish Welby, MD at August 31, 2006 05:18 PM (OEbrS)
But then again, I'm a RINO.
Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 05:21 PM (LgEUS)
Can't stand her. I don't want to get into it too much.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:22 PM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:22 PM (Uh5fR)
comments:
if you have a hard time with someone saying raghead, (i know, ironic that bart uses the word in a comment just above) you need to grow a damned spine. Can't recall who was the shrinking violet, but be ashamed.
applaud entropy and sinistar's point re: republicans being a bunch of weak-kneed PC, limp-spined sycophants. God it's depressing. Grow up and learn to handle tough issues and sharp ideas folks.
I get depressed seeing all the silly ninnies fret about how someone will be perceived if they have a sharp tongue. if the underlying point is true, it will leave a mark; otherwise, it will turn people off. Most americans aren't a bunch of self-censoring cowards as the commentariat pussies.
Posted by: slackmac at August 31, 2006 05:25 PM (3bFaP)
Me too, even though really Laurie was too old to be playing Bertie and Fry was far too young to be playing Jeeves. Eh, it rules anyway.
Posted by: Meekrob at August 31, 2006 05:31 PM (9HeGK)
Posted by: John F Not Kerry at August 31, 2006 05:33 PM (fEnUg)
Good tip. Found this -
"hooray for Miss Coulter." - Mark Steyn.
Now,....you can argue with Mark Steyn if you want to, I spose, but you can never beat him.
Mark Steyn ends all arguments. He's definitive on any subject. Game over man. I win.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:35 PM (Uh5fR)
Since Reagan, the left has been allowed to claim the most amazingly outrageous things about Republicans and conservatives with seeming impunity in the media.
Remember the Gingrich who stole Christmas? Old people living on dog food if Republicans are elected? OF course the right tries to take the high moral ground and gets pummeled for all their good intentions. It's the right strategy, just as it is a losing strategy in the American Idol percentage of the populace.
And I think Ann wondered out loud to herself, what if the right got over itself and just blew all that nonsense off and actually said the same kinds of way over the top things the left says as a matter of course while paying absolutely no price whatsoever.
We all know she's going to pay and pay big for it under the glare of the media spotlight, but as she does she actually forces the lame media to grudgingly acknowledge the ridiculous hyperbole on the left because she's out there point it out. And when it's brought up, other conservatives feel compelled to point it out as well, even if they don't agree with her.
I think her schtick is trying to, as closely as possible, immitate absurd lefty language in order to highlight it and point out the media never mentions the left's craziness, but goes for her throat. I think it's working.
I'm also not a "get in the mud and roll with the pigs" kinda gal, so I think she's often way too far out there, but I think it's crafty madness. And even if she fails with the media, she gives conservatives who are sick and tired of all the moralistic tongue-lashings, the crack back atcha and btw, kiss my ass they need to soldier on in the face of withering media manipulation and double standard.
And she get's rich in the process. Dumb, she ain't.
Posted by: Lana at August 31, 2006 05:37 PM (KEpIO)
Your right. I dont watch the show. Never have. And I dont really care one way or another about ann coulter, but since that bastard ace instituted that damn comments ID thing I cant bust your balls any other way.
Fascist.
p.s. I really do hate the Fresh Prince though.
Posted by: Amish Really lives in a Retards Snowglobe at August 31, 2006 05:38 PM (OEbrS)
Calling them ragheads is just not the way to go. Some things are just too crude to be acceptable, crude racial and religious slurs being one of them. However, I'm not advocating throwing her under the bus as some are always ready to.
I'm for some standards, and I acted accordingly, I quit reading her for a while, but I'm not pounding my chest and demanding her head on a platter because she offended my sensibilties one time.
Sounds like I'm one for one for you...
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:41 PM (FUWRQ)
We're still reading this and shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, we dont want the left to know about the vast right wing thingie.
Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 05:43 PM (DHWob)
He's so bitter. My sister got into House, and got me hooked.
My favorite was the Syphilitic Granny, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Amish: Blah Blah Hate Fresh Prince of BelAir...
Amishes Just Don't Understand...
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:49 PM (FUWRQ)
And yet another brave word warrior conflates behaving like an asshole with being a hardass.
Ohhh...sharp tongue! Whatever, pal. You wouldn't know tough until it knocked you on your ass.
Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 05:51 PM (QWUn5)
so I thought I'd add my serious thoughts about Ann:
1. One percent of what she says is way over the top and one half of that one percent should not be said - wishing violent death on someone, even if meant in jest. It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake.
2. She reminds me on a personal level in some ways of Maureen Dowd - starved to near perfection, and appearing to me to be essentially lonely.
Both have put their careers way ahead lof their personal life, have been extremely successful and yet imo do not appear to have anything resembling inner peace or happiness. Or to put it another way, someone told them God is a resume and they believed it.
Although they both would hate this, my reaction to them is one of pity - so successful, so in control and yet so essentially alone, and yet afraid to love someone if only because then they'd loss control.
Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 05:55 PM (ut95J)
Larry the U? Banned? Nah. It was Amish all along.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:02 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:04 PM (Uh5fR)
Ent,
So Ann has the clap?
And here I was thinking you liked Ann. I guess Geoff, Warden and the others at the high IQ end of the Ace o' Spades swimming pool showed you the light.
Seriously, I like all but one percent of Ann - and as I said when she goes overboard, it's not a crime, it's a mistake.
Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 06:15 PM (ut95J)
She's doing it in this article actually, with the real conservative, she's railing against conservatives that abandoned him for the Chafee hedge bet.
Throwing Ann under the bus isn't useful for us, and I believe those that want to are falling prey to the Perfect Orthodoxy Doctrine, as I discussed earlier. Which is why I'm against doing it. It also proves to Ann what she believes in her heart, she is the purest conservative, she'll self destruct from there, it sucks to be alone. It'll be like star dying, not good to be anywhere near.
I understand we're stuck with Linc, and many of our congressional morons, or we have the Dems fucking up the works. Ann may be a POD-aire as well, she allows herself to follow a rigid doctrine. It makes you static. I'm a more Machiavellian minded guy.
Actually I'd like to be a more Churchillian guy, particularly the Churchill diet, fine cigars and brandy.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 06:24 PM (FUWRQ)
And when I say it's a joke, I mean you are a homosexual.*
*joking again
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:25 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 06:34 PM (FUWRQ)
*joking again
I think you're confusing me with Bart.*
*Of course not joking.*
*Unless Bart reads this after he finishes playing with his inflatable Maureen Dowd doll, in which case then I'm definitely not joking.
Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 06:38 PM (ut95J)
That's just defeatist talk. Why, if I could reach across the intratubes, I would slap you.
Really though...Is New Jersey a possible play? How bout Pennsylvania? Have demographics changed that much? I understand there are specific circumstances involved..9/11, democratic corruption and convictions, ect.
But none of that has changed anything in Chicago. And how did the hell are republicans winning in New York city?
And how did California go from solid red, to uber-solid blue, and now with a red governor again, in a span of oh, less then 16 years?
I know the conventional wisdom and all that. I don't neccessarily buy it.
I've entertained the idea that there are no red states or blue states. Any state has enough conservatives in it to crush normal democrat turnouts in a landslide ass-whooping if they all actually voted. Any state has enough liberals in it to crush normal republican turnouts in a landslide ass-whooping if they all actually voted.
Any political analyst will tell you what a bad effect percieved inevitability has. That's why exit polls create such a raucus. If you get the idea your guy is getting stomped, you probably won't even bother to go suffer the traffic and lines.
When everyone's sure they're in a (insert color) state, the opposite party just doesn't try. They don't turn out because they don't think it's even possible.
But one need look not too far back to mondale to see the GOP has the potential to win in any state, whatsoever. You just have to actually appeal to voters and then get them to turn out.
And the RINOs we run in "blue" states is just completely counterproductive to that purpose.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:38 PM (Uh5fR)
#237 poll: On Coulter: Me likey. On House: Never heard of it. Am I out of it, or what?
It seems like at least a couple of people started out liking Ann, but got turned off when she became increasingly strident. I think Ann's modus Operandi is to grab people's attention by being a bit outrageous. As the stakes in recent years have gotten higher, (with the GWOT), she has almost desperately become more strident to get people to pay attention. A couple of months ago, my mom, my sister (a moderate if ever there was one) and I were talking about Ann's latest comments, (the stuff about the 9/11 widows). I had expected my sister to be aghast, but she wasn't really, and she got Ann's point. So, that's her strategy. I just think she should steer clear of wishing people dead. That seems like DU territory, to me.
Posted by: Nice Deb at August 31, 2006 06:43 PM (woQK4)
They keep running RINOs because it's a blue state, and conservatives can't win.
But the RINOs keep friggin loosing to democrats. Gosh, can't imagine why.
Meanwhile, whenever a conservative does run, he, *gasp* wins. In a "blue" state. Yet, no one seems to grasp it in the IL state GOP party and the very next cycle they're trying to push more RINOs.
Republicans were all Lincoln Chafee's, and they couldn't get elected for half a damn century until conservatives started running.
Yet we keep forgetting the lesson that we just learned for the umpteenth time.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:48 PM (Uh5fR)
The real problem is the PA RNC is fucking up on a state level. Conservatives are absolutely competative in PA, but the RNC here is a bunch of RINOs that won't support it, or isn't really interested in anything but feasting at the teat of the taxpayer. We'll lose PA if we don't change in the next decade.
I guess I have a pretty pessimistic view of New Englanders Chigago Detroit and the Left coast, which may be why I was resigned to Linc. I look at them like Philly, just hopelessly liberal. I always felt it would be best to contain the left there, and let them collapse like the USSR.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:11 PM (FUWRQ)
i.e., Do you really think she's in it for something more than the money?
Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 07:13 PM (unUeA)
That wasn't me, that was Rho.
Heh!
Posted by: Guy T. at August 31, 2006 07:16 PM (r7Q8e)
See, I live in Chicago.
We have (non RINO) republican congresmen here. Denny Hastert? I mean, he's no Mike Pence, but he's closer to that then Lincoln Chafee. Hastert isn't from downstate, he's Chicago Metro (5 counties) area.
And we elected Fitzgerald as Senator right after Carol Mosely Braun.
And the state party is goddamn joke, a total joke. And yet they still score these victories from time to time.
Same deal with the left coast, they've elected conservatives. What you say about PA, I think applies to RI.
We need to start pushing conservatives in RI now, even if they loose, if we want to win in the future. People aren't neccessarily going to get the message the first time around that the party is serious, or that a win is possible. You've got to build it. Reagan didn't win on his first try.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 07:25 PM (Uh5fR)
And I don't think this is limited to the US even, I apply this logic on an internation scale throughout the west.
I think we're seeing this in action in Canada. And I think the Torries in the UK would benefit a great deal from this logic. If they went after BNP voters instead of 'moderates' (read: Labor voters, which they aren't going to get), by dealing with issues like immigration instead of this compassionate conservative crap they're pushing where they say they promise not to cut funding for schoolsandhospitals too much, they'd bitch-slap Labor.
When did Labor finally win anyway? -> When they kicked out Maggie because she was too extreme and needed a more moderate and less polarizing figgure.And. Then. They. Lost.
Meanwhile, the goddamn fascist party is picking up seats left and right (picking up LABOR seats) because they're the only party running on the wrong side (read: conservative side) of 'controversial issues' (read: issues where the vast majority of politicians, academics, and media pundits disagree with vast majority of everyone else).
But hey that's just my opinion.
Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 07:33 PM (Uh5fR)
They should be everywhere fighting Casey, the guy is worthless, and riding his fathers coattails. Don Sherwood is a slimeball, but he's what we've got. I'll take the adulterous bastard over a lib. Many will take the lib. The RNC should be drilling that into peoples heads. I see constant Rendell commercials. No Swann commercials. Unless he's planning a late blitz...
Problem for 06 is, as Rush has said in other issues, you fight with the army you get, and Linc's in our army for now...
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:39 PM (FUWRQ)
I've yet to visit Chicago. I need to go. The only thing I'll say though is, your hot dogs and pizza are a CRIME. A little mustard for the dog, and your pizza...deep dish, what in God's name are you people thinking? New York pizza is the only way to go.
Meh, I dunno. Guess I'd have to try it.
Speaking of regional favorites, I'm drinking the best soda in the world right now, a central PA favorite, Frozen Run Birch Beer. MMmmmmm.... if you're ever in central/eastern PA, grab a case. Seriously.
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:54 PM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: Stephanie at August 31, 2006 07:56 PM (1C3dO)
Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 08:13 PM (FUWRQ)
Posted by Sinistar
Sinistar, if it worked that way I would agree with you. Yet it begs the question: Who gets to stack the deck? If we, as conservatives, have to wait until next time to stack the deck there will never be a next time. People in power without term limits don't give up that power.
Don't ge me wrong. I'm enough of a realist not to demand ideological purity, and I don't think we should sacrifice electoral victories for moral victories, but if not now, when? We have electable conservatives almost everywhere, but if we were to listen to the party apparatchiks they would tell us they don't have a chance. To that I say BS! They don't have a chance because they haven't been given a chance.
Would anyone think that here in liberal Minnesota we just might end up with half a GOP House delegation, a GOP gov and 2 decently conservative Republican senators? If Mark Kennedy pulls it off, we will. Oh, and btw, our 2 house state leg is split between the 2 parties also.
All I am saying is, give Laffey a chance!
Posted by: John F Not Kerry at September 01, 2006 03:59 AM (Tgpe/)
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:14 AM (m6c4H)
I know alot of people in Illinois, not pissed off conservatives who want to punish the GOP, just regular, not-super-political conservatives who want a good governor, who say they hate Baglojevich, but if they bother to vote at all this time around they'll vote for him over Topinka. Because, at least he's not corrupt.
But hey, Topinka is pro-choice, pro-tax, pro-had-a-job-in-the-previous-administration-who-is-now-in-jail, basically a political pro who's been in there in some office or another for 20 years.
She won't be governor. And I don't really care. I actually think the lesser of two evils in this case is the democrat as well. Blago ain't that bad, he's not very good, but he's better then Ryan was. At least he hasn't been indicted yet.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:23 AM (m6c4H)
The day the RINO gets reelected, start pushing conservative candidates to unseat him, there and elsewhere. Laffey is probably the guy, we should push him. Not now though, its too late is all I'm saying. The 06 election there is a blown opportunity, and to me its crying over spilled milk to bemoan it. Really what needs to happen is the conservative movement has to start working to field candidates outside the RNC.
The RNC to a degree is bound to support incumbants, even assholes like Linc. Not to mention if the official party body supports a challenger against a hardcore RINO like Linc, he could turn and go D on us. Its better for conservatives to build a guy like Laffey on a grassroots type operation, and when he's ready, smash Chafee.
HAHAHA! New York pizza is the best, nuff said. Chicago city council outlawed the wrong foodstuff, deep dish is the truly evil meal, not foie gras.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 05:16 AM (FUWRQ)
Because we've got it, from all over the world. We've got everything, plus some stuff others don't got.
And Numero Uno or Geno's East deep dish pizza? That shit is good.
Maxwell Street polish? Good.
Chicago style hotdogs, with everything on them except the kitchen sink and ketchup? Good.
Ketchup? For deh looozers. Ketchup sucks.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 05:33 AM (m6c4H)
We don't have any fancy global reach in central PA, we don't need no stinking global reach (all right, I'm a little jealous of that, wouldn't mind having that), but deep dish and your hot dogs are obscene! You know, if you used decent meat in your hot dogs, you wouldn't have to cover it in all that crap.
I still laugh at your council, I can't believe they banned foie gras, what a bunch of tools! BWAHAHAHA!
In a big city Chicago of all places to waste time with stupid shit like that. Plus I hear you people are getting big in the fancy culinary business. The foie gras gets kicked out next to Wal-Mart, its just funny that your council is so inept.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:03 AM (FUWRQ)
Forgot that, and how could I?
And tri-taters at Knoebels...damn, this could be a long list.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:08 AM (FUWRQ)
And you've yet to say why deep dish pizza is "obscene", it most certainly is not, at Geno's East if you get sausage on your pizza, they cover the entire deep dish pizza in a solid layer of meat.
But, if you dislike it so much (no doubt because you are a homosexual) we have pan pizzas and thin crust pizzas as well, in spades. Anytime I've ever been outside Chicago, I marvel at how bad the pizza selection is. It's like all you people have is Pizza Hut pizza, which is to real pizza what Taco Bell is to mexican food.
We've got sandwiches packed with so much meat, they had to kill 8 cows to make them. We've got gyros, we've got beefs, we've got breaded parmesians, we've got meatball sandwiches, smothered in cheeses with red sauces. We've got grilled onions and bacon available on every single thing you might want to eat, because they make everything taste better. We've got food that will clog 4 of your arteries up at the same time before you're even done eating.
I don't know what the hell foi gras is, but it's sounds fruity and french and it should be illegal.
What food group is that in? Meat, cheese, sauce, or grease?
Our city council is utterly inept, the dude we just elected is a stroke victim and no one knows if he can actually talk anymore (we elected him after this), and quite frankly, it's improved his legislative performance.
But that's got zilch to do with cullinary excellence.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:12 AM (m6c4H)
We have philly cheesesteaks, fer chrissakes. We have polish smorgashborgs all over the place, with potato dumplings and pierogis and stuffed cabbage. We even have czech joints that serve ox tale stew, svicckova, pickled beef, goulash, and broiled rabbit.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:19 AM (m6c4H)
Cheez Wiz is not real cheeze. You put provolone on a philly cheese steak. WTF is up with cheez wiz crap? That's disgusting. Were you all drunk?
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:24 AM (m6c4H)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/227757523/1-sportsfinger.jpg
One of you guys need him, he's there to do your bidding. Just seems like that's the direction this is going.
Posted by: lauraw at September 01, 2006 06:29 AM (CHWhW)
Pizza Huts should be forcily closed down. Agreed. I'll be the first to join that militia. Our selection is good, not like weirdo California crap, but good. Pizza is meant to be a thin crust, cheese, sauce, meats & veggie, not a damn pie like you people eat, and not some weirdo shit like the Cali kids eat.
Our hoagies are heavenly, greasy, delicious, and big, and the rolls made fresh daily. Our food is every bit as unhealthy as yours. Bacon is plentiful. Try a full breakfast wth bacon AND scrapple. You lose on the grease dept, nothing beats that pairing. Actually, we've got good meatball sammiches too...never had a gyro. Oh, and another thing, those au jus sammiches, that sounds teh ghey and french, and nasty, makes the roll all mushy and watery, even a fresh baked.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:33 AM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: Cary from Houston at September 01, 2006 06:37 AM (aJFeb)
Doubtful Chicago could match our hoagies...there's just a certain mojo about them...
No, you don't have tri taters or Frozen Run. You lose.
Whatever, love messing with you...hehehe.
Lauraw, that kid cracks me up everytime. I don't know why.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:44 AM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:48 AM (FUWRQ)
...aaaaand I triple posted. good.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 07:33 AM (FUWRQ)
For Entrophy:
Don't know if you've seen this or not, but I think you'll enjoy reading that Laffey is leading Chafee in the latest poll.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007951.php#trackbacks
Your point about opposing RINOS is a good one; I just hope we can afford it this year.
PS Given that New Orleans still has the best food in the US (notwithstanding Bart's efforts at sabotage), seeing someone from Illinios and someone from central Pennsylvania (of all freaking places) argue over whose food is better is one of the funniest things I have ever read.
Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 09:51 AM (DtIRb)
Central PA has the best food EVER.
I'm not saying Chicago doesn't have good food, I hear they got great steaks there I'd like to eat. New Orleans also. Central PA kicks ass, its one of the most tasty and beautiful places you'll ever see.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 09:59 AM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 10:00 AM (FUWRQ)
Well, you can continue to let liberals define the standard for behavior and let it limit how you act, but you'll end up being just as bland and stupid as they are, even if you do call yourself a conservative.
Posted by: Cygnus X-1 at September 01, 2006 10:39 AM (8G9l1)
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:01 AM (m6c4H)
Oh yeah! Au juice may be a French name but it's just beef broth.
You soak the bread in the beef juices so it's sopping wet with it, then pile beef on top of it, and chuck a bunch of hot spicy jardinare on it. It rocks.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:05 AM (m6c4H)
It's greek.
It's seasoned 50% veal 50% lamb processed meat, put on a pita, with a cucumber sauce (optional: tomatoes and feta cheese).
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:09 AM (m6c4H)
Entropy, The gyro sounds way good, 'specially with lots of feta cheese. I always think of those old Hub's Gyro sketches on SNL. We have a small Greek restaurant thats supposed to be real good, but it has a very limited number of hours. I dropped by three hours before closing...and it was closed.
The Au Jus sandwich just doesn't appeal to me... sopping wet roll just doesn't sound good to me, even if its tasty beef broth. Plus that sounds like you'd be sticky as hell, stained, and smell like boullion.
Quizno's apparently sells a bastardized version, but I probably oughta get the real thing, I wouldn't send someone to Subway or Quizno's to get a cheesesteak or Pizza Hut for a pizza.
Don't get me wrong, I'd try it. I'm skeptical is all. Hell, I'd even try your wicked evil pizza and hot dogs(and ask for ketchup just to see the faces I'd get HAHAHA, they wouldn't kill me , right?). I'm open minded like that.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 01:08 PM (FUWRQ)
Entrophy,
Did you see the link to the Laffey vs Chafee poll in Post 297? Thought you'd enjoy it, but don't see a comment from you and wouldn't want you to miss it.
Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 01:42 PM (ZliJM)
Yah I did. I'm tickled pink he's polling 20% ahead amongst republicans.
The only hurdle he has to clear now is the thousands of democrats who Chafee convinced to register as independants (who are allowed to vote in RI primaries).
So he's not out of the woods, but that's an excellent place to be.
By the way - I've seen you people suck the feces-impacted bowels out of crustacean. I ain't arguing food with someone who bites the heads off crayfish, you win, please, just don't breath on me 
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 01:55 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 01:59 PM (Uh5fR)
All I have to say for New Orleans. You have Emeril Lagasse. You Lose.
I hope he sits next to Rachael Ray in their own special little corner of hell, that annoying fucking greaseball.
As for the Jazz. I hope this gets brutal. Lemme grab a soda.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 02:05 PM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: geoff at September 01, 2006 02:07 PM (Id2DF)
I really would like to see him win, I hate Chafee. I just thought Laffey was like Schlessinger in Connecticut, no real chance to win type deal.
In that case, I stand corrected.
Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 02:13 PM (FUWRQ)
Posted by: at September 01, 2006 02:17 PM (FUWRQ)
Where to begin? I feel like Entrophy is in danger of morphing into one of our totally-out-of-touch-with-reality trolls and that any facts I provide him with will be (i) ignored or (ii) twisted to support his absurd world view about jazz.
Plus I've listened to arguments about whose pizza has more grease and plastic cheese, while I'm thinking about oysters en brochette, eggs sardou, shrimp remoulade, pompano en papilotte (sp?), crabmeat maison, filet bearnaise, trout amandine etc etc., so I feel like we're on different planets. (Although I have to admit crayfish are called mudbugs for a reason.)
Plus I'm too tired right now to argue about jazz, especially with Geoff, who uses facts and logic and stuff.
But sinistar is right about Emeril.
.
Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 04:10 PM (VZwVS)
Ah I'm just screwing with you. That was such a blatant provocation I made myself chuckle with it.
But thanks for that link, I didn't catch that on Captain's (though I usually read him), and I've been asking for a while if there's been any polls done but no one seemed to know.
Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:22 PM (Uh5fR)
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I'm sure she will "pick it up" or adapt if she has to. Besides, if she needs stronger stuff, she has been pushing hard for a few years now, in basically a giant stream of consciousness. Even in the best there may be a thin spot or two, let's see what she does in the next few months. She has had more home runs than whiffs, that's for sure....
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