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November 18, 2009

Oh, My: Zogby Interactive Poll Finds That Independents Believe Bush Administration More Transparent and Open Than Chicago Socialist
— Ace

Interesting thing about polls: When people like you, they claim to like everything about you. When they don't like you, they start saying they don't like anything about you.

That is why, for example, when Captain Wonderful was leading in the run-up to the 2008 election, pollsters reported the public claimed they actually trusted Obama on taxes more than McCain.

Taxes. And the deficit. And controlling government spending.

And for American Jews? They claimed they thought that Obama would be better for Israel.

Um, okay.

Just a tendency people have to blow off specific, secondary questions and just keep answering the same way they answer the primary, general question.

Which candidate is has a better understanding of the trauma experienced by captured pilots held hostage at the Hanoi Hilton for eight years? Why, Barack Obama, naturally!

I don't know if this poll finding really indicates that independents are waking up specifically to the fact that Obama is very deceptive and manipulative, or if it's just the standard "Yeah, he kind of sucks on everything" response, but either way, I likes it.

Thanks to AHFF Geoff.

Posted by: Ace at 03:19 PM | Comments (236)
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1
Niiiiiiiiiiice.

The Democrats and Obama are doing more to help the GOP win in 2010 than...

the GOP.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 03:23 PM (6wUpV)

2 Independents? How can ANYONE back this pos?

Posted by: jainphx at November 18, 2009 03:26 PM (4t9Xj)

3 Good analysis, Ace. I personally think it's half general and half specific. That is, I think people feel like they were baited and switched, so they will respond negatively about the openness question more than others.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 18, 2009 03:27 PM (T0NGe)

Just a tendency people have to blow off specific, secondary questions and just keep answering the same way they answer the primary, general question.

Which candidate is has a better understanding of the trauma experienced by captured pilots held hostage at the Hanoi Hilton for eight years? Why, Barack Obama, naturally!

--In survey methodology, that phenomenon is referred to as the "halo effect," and usually can be partially corrected by reverse-scaling items.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2009 03:27 PM (I3Udb)

5
by the way, remember back in January when I predicted the Democrats would say the (then proposed) Stimulus didn't work because it was too small and they'd blame the Republicans?

Well, I think it's about to come to realization. And thanks to Collins and Snowe, who got snookered into "bargaining" with the Democrats to shave off over $100B in the Stimulus package, the Democrats have the Republicans to blame for the failed Stimulus.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 03:28 PM (6wUpV)

6 Anyone know where I can get a laptop battery in England?

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2009 03:28 PM (I3Udb)

Can we just start calling the Republican Party the "Independent Party"? Party ID would shoot up. Independents are pretty much all fiscal conservative/social moderates anyway.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 18, 2009 03:29 PM (DPM1U)

8 In survey methodology, that phenomenon is referred to as the "halo effect," and usually can be partially corrected by reverse-scaling items.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2009 08:27 PM (I3Udb)

Zogby's Interactive polls aren't exactly known for their detailed methodology.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 18, 2009 03:29 PM (T0NGe)

9
holy shit, a spammer was this close to being 'first' in one of our moron threads

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 03:30 PM (6wUpV)

10 we should set up a betting pool on how much zero's approval ratings will drop each month. the winner will receive..... i dunno respect from the AoSHQ community? a beer on the house from this blog's glorious leader? maybe the winner could get a coupon for a case of Val -U-Rite vodka?

Posted by: chicagodudewhotrades at November 18, 2009 03:30 PM (hwU9r)

Of course he's less transparent!

Posted by: Melanin...hello? at November 18, 2009 03:30 PM (DPM1U)

12 Why are we focusing on polls!? Obama won the biggest poll of them all. It was called the 2008 election. Remember when Virginia went deep blue and history changed? You wingnuts will never learn.

Posted by: Typical troll at November 18, 2009 03:31 PM (AAvMu)

13 Well, I think it's about to come to realization. And thanks to Collins and Snowe, who got snookered into "bargaining" with the Democrats to shave off over $100B in the Stimulus package, the Democrats have the Republicans to blame for the failed Stimulus.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 08:28 PM (6wUpV)

Don't worry so much about it. They can make that argument, it won't work. Nobody thinks that if the stimulus resulted in +2% more unemployment than predicted that a mere 13% more would have resulted in less unemployment. It'll make libs feel better and give them a talking point. That's about it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 18, 2009 03:32 PM (T0NGe)

14 Yeah one more reason polls are worth crap. This time it turns out they're right, he's considerably less transparent and open.

Posted by: Christopher taylor at November 18, 2009 03:32 PM (PQY7w)

15 As Todd (Todd, the man who says Obama sucks Cock) would say, Obama sucks Cock.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 03:32 PM (ABUF9)

16 Do not believe infidel! Him batterys many bad! Only genuine Better-laptop-battery give you many good!

Posted by: Better-Laptop-Battery at November 18, 2009 03:33 PM (MMC8r)

17 It's very interesting when the poll question is about a specific promise that Obama made, an issue that he gave particular prominence, and independents rate him as doing worse than Bush on that issue. By making it an issue in his campaign, Obama gave voters the impression that openness and transparency are very important in the way the government works, and so set himself up to be measured on his performance on that issue.

There's a lot of similar issues: Afghanistan, for one, and jobs, for another. Obama told the independents that he would do better than McCain and way, way better than Bush on those issues. It's heartening to see that those independents are holding him accountable (at least in polling) for his failures on his specific promises.

Posted by: stuiec at November 18, 2009 03:33 PM (Uhh69)

18 Obama has been an unmitigated failure in everything he has done.

Porkulus failed.

Health care is such an epic failure even his own party is afraid to pass it.

He's angered our allies.

He's emboldened our enemies.

He's dithered on Afghanistan

Seriously - if people had known in November 2008 what they know now, Obama would have gotten 30% of the vote. It isn't a surprise to see the populace turning on him...

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 18, 2009 03:33 PM (bgcml)

19 I resent your use of the term "dither..." to describe Obama. Dithering implies way more action/movement than the President does. Way more!

Posted by: Mr. Ditherer-Paramus at November 18, 2009 03:35 PM (1Bc4s)

20
You forgot the Cash For Clunkers failure.

And the Toxic Assets scheme to save the commercial and residential property market -- failure.

Oh, and Obama ruined the $, no small feat, that.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 03:36 PM (6wUpV)

As a concerned Independant, who gave that nice young boy a chance, I can't help thinking what my dear departed Harold would say.

"What a lying cocksucker this prick turned out to be".

Posted by: Midred "churchlady" Weaver at November 18, 2009 03:37 PM (ABUF9)

Another problem with the polls is that sometimes the group doing the poll is attempting to force a result by the nature of the choice of answers available. For example, I was polled prior to the November '08 election. One of the questions was something like "Which candidate do you believe will bring change?" The only allowable answer was either Obama or McCain. However, the poll would not not allow me to give the answer that the changes that Obama was bringing would be a disaster.

Now, after almost a year of Hope-n-Change^tm, intellectually honest folk see an Epic Fail coming with the Obama administration. We are well on the way to a depression and all of Obama's policies are harmful to economic growth.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 18, 2009 03:39 PM (bCQG3)

23 HillBuzz is kinda going off the deep end in their support of Palin. "Hillary or Palin....WTF? Well, on balance, they are opposing Obama...

Posted by: Mr. Ditherer-Paramus at November 18, 2009 03:39 PM (1Bc4s)

24 "As a concerned ditherer, I liked President Obama, but then he became to much for even me!"

Posted by: Mr. Ditherer-Paramus at November 18, 2009 03:40 PM (1Bc4s)

25 "He seemed to have a real grasp of free market economics. A real go getter, capitalist kind of guy. Of course when I got his letter telling me to go wipe my ass with all my GM bonds and preferred stock, I was so upset I had to consult my priest. First time I ever heard a man of the cloth say "cocksucker"!

Posted by: GM Stockholder #72,381 at November 18, 2009 03:42 PM (ABUF9)

26 Could it be because the Obama administration just tells people to shut up and not worry about it when they are questioned? That is if they don't just tell a transparent lie instead.

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 03:43 PM (n1uMU)

27 24 HillBuzz is kinda going off the deep end in their support of Palin. "Hillary or Palin....WTF? Well, on balance, they are opposing Obama...

Is HillBuzz just pushing them because they are women? It can't be because of shared ideologies, as Hillary and Sarah are night and day politically.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 18, 2009 03:43 PM (otlXg)

I don't believe these raciest, bitter clinger poles. Nope, not gonna' do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-

Posted by: Capitan Wonderful (D-King OF The World!!) at November 18, 2009 03:44 PM (yp5Vn)

29 Man I tell ya, he's clean and articulate.

Posted by: Cluebat Joe Biden, Stupidest Man in the World at November 18, 2009 03:44 PM (PBGAP)

30 I do trust Obama more than McCain on ability and willingness to turn America into an autocratic state. But only slightly.

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 03:45 PM (n1uMU)

31 I agree your point of view,but the people about the talk about stand the opinion before.

Cut of supple laptop battery jib to subscribe newletter thereof.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 18, 2009 03:47 PM (MFbfZ)

32
Wait until the KSM trials start and the man-made-disaster attacks start happening in NYC. We'll find out how low the numbers can get by the bluest of the blues.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 18, 2009 03:47 PM (RZ95+)

33 When I heard him say he supported the 2nd Amendment, I knew he was a lying cocksucker. When him and Holder shit themselves over Heller, the boys down there to the Grange finally believed me. I got me a cleaner hat if'n ya'll want this for the TV.

Posted by: Typical NRA GunClinger at November 18, 2009 03:49 PM (ABUF9)

34 Great bumper sticker spotted in Orlando today:

Dick (Cheney) and Don (Rumsfeld) in '12
Because Reagan and Nixon are dead

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 18, 2009 03:49 PM (MFbfZ)

35 "What a lying cocksucker this prick turned out to be".

Harold was very prescient.

What are you doing Saturday night?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 18, 2009 03:50 PM (1O93r)

36 I "strongly agree" with 0bama on the "Will make irrelevant writers garner headlines in 2 1/2 years" issue.

Posted by: Christopher Buckley at November 18, 2009 03:50 PM (I3Udb)

37 holy shit, a spammer was this close to being 'first' in one of our moron threads

That's how we'll know when The Singularity has arrived.

Posted by: Ray Kurzweil at November 18, 2009 03:51 PM (wp4DC)

So this is just further confirmation that most Independents are unthinking idiots.

One does not have to have a finely honed bullshit detector to see through Obama's in the '08 campaign. One only had to do the most cursory digging into the man's record and background, despite how few details were provided about either. I'm a knuckle dragging cave-man, but I know when I'm lied to. Obama spoke only in gassy platitudes on the stump, and when pressed for details, he either gave himself away (Joe the Plumber) or said things that he never had any intention of doing (middle class tax cut).

Posted by: UGAdawg at November 18, 2009 03:51 PM (O4miG)

Hey, Independants, you F'd up. Ya trusted him!

(no more C-words from me as this is a family/smart mil blog)

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 03:51 PM (ABUF9)

40 Y'all had me at "butt plug". Keep trying, morons -- keep trying.

Posted by: diderot's dog at November 18, 2009 03:51 PM (DT0Wi)

41 I favor 0bama when it comes to stimulating the anti-depressant medication industry.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2009 03:53 PM (I3Udb)

42 we should set up a betting pool on how much zero's approval ratings will drop each month.

Pointless. The true cult is about 40%.

If you bet much lower than that, what you're betting is that some unbelievably bad event will occur and the media won't successfully reassure the cult that only Obama's presence as Leader prevented worldwide apocalypse.

Press reaction to a recent unusually murderous event suggests that's not action you want in on. They'd have made that one knock 25 points off Bush.

Posted by: oblig. at November 18, 2009 03:53 PM (aK/MY)

next to which definition would you like Barak Obama's picture to appear

Venereal chancre.

Posted by: Monty at November 18, 2009 03:53 PM (L12sc)

44 Did anyone else notice the employment ad for weebils at the top of the page?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 18, 2009 03:54 PM (1O93r)

45
That's how we'll know when The Singularity has arrived.

I think all of you owe me a thanks for saving the world.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 03:55 PM (bcRFr)

46 Schrodinger's cat could kick diderot's dog's ass any time, dead or alive.

Posted by: logprof at November 18, 2009 03:55 PM (I3Udb)

47 I was chugging bottles of cough syrup under my coat sleeve at the drugstore today. I spit half a bottle out when I saw Lt. Worfs "Magnificent Guns" on the cover of glamour. Stumbled out out laughing and choking, leaving a trail of empty Nyquil bottles. Good times. Good times.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 03:56 PM (ABUF9)

48 HillBuzz is kinda going off the deep end in their support of Palin. "Hillary or Palin....WTF?

I think the homo drama queens over at Hillbuzz have serious mommy issues. Thinking about Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Palin makes their little pee-pees stand up, and they don't know why. They probably have elaborately detailed spanking fantasies with both.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 18, 2009 03:56 PM (hoowK)

49 Nope. I've got local fat chicks dropping pounds by following 1 rule.

Undoubtedly, that rule is that the fridge stays locked, and they don't have the key.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 18, 2009 03:57 PM (MFbfZ)

50 This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of CD keys and content or the peace of death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die.

Posted by: Colossus at November 18, 2009 03:57 PM (DtTM9)

Dear Diary,,

What a party! Went to an all night kegger-summit with Zogby and some of his friends. (Whew),, got a monster hang-over, my tounge is swollen and it tastes like teh kitteh sh*t in my mouth, Oh,, allah is my a$$ sore and teh under-roos,, they are on teh backwards. Good times!

Til next time Dear Diary,

Barry

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

Posted by: Barry Soetoro (D-King OF The World!!) at November 18, 2009 03:59 PM (yp5Vn)

52 I spit half a bottle out when I saw Lt. Worfs "Magnificent Guns" on the cover of glamour.

What is it with Glamor magazine and the First Sasquatch? Seriously how many times has she been on the cover in the last 2 years? It seems like every issue, not that I follow Glamor or anything like that.

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 04:00 PM (n1uMU)

53 Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
We have assumed control
We have assumed control
We have assumed control

Posted by: Rush - "no not that one" at November 18, 2009 04:00 PM (cvvNY)

54 This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of CD keys and content or the peace of death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die.

Throw in a couple of laptop batteries and a lace wig, and you've got a deal

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 18, 2009 04:01 PM (hoowK)

55 Transparent? how the F, did that word even get into politics? "I'll be Transparent Man, saving the planet in a sheet of Celophane!". Otherwise known as public nudity. No wonder he got the hippy vote.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 04:02 PM (ABUF9)

56 Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
We have assumed control
We have assumed control
We have assumed control

We bring you peace.........and laptop batteries.

Posted by: That Goddam Laptop Battery Butthole Again at November 18, 2009 04:03 PM (aC0uO)

57 @45

next to which definition would you like Barak Obama's picture to appear

Venereal chancre.

I request that all Monty posts be preceded by posts warning you to put any container with liquid down. I cannot afford another computer.

Posted by: Mike H at November 18, 2009 04:03 PM (cvvNY)

58 OregonMuse, get outta my head!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 18, 2009 04:03 PM (aC0uO)

59 13 Why are we focusing on polls!? Obama won the biggest poll of them all. It was called the 2008 election. Remember when Virginia went deep blue and history changed? You wingnuts will never learn.

Posted by: Typical troll at November 18, 2009 08:31 PM (AAvMu)

Come here and take your punishment.

Posted by: Big Guy who assrapes trolls at November 18, 2009 04:04 PM (odn2c)

60 I'd be tempted to tip Obama as the more transparent. It's obvious what he's up to. Bush, though, he kept "growing in office".

Posted by: t-bird at November 18, 2009 04:04 PM (FcR7P)

Venereal chancre.

Is that fancy fwench talk for "crabs"?

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 04:05 PM (ABUF9)

62 I'd still vote for him.

Posted by: Anne Althouse at November 18, 2009 04:05 PM (muUqs)

63 Certs is a breath mint

Posted by: Independent 1 at November 18, 2009 04:07 PM (odn2c)

64 I'd still donate to him campaign.

Posted by: Doodad Pro at November 18, 2009 04:07 PM (n1uMU)

65 Certs is a candy mint

Posted by: Independent 2 at November 18, 2009 04:07 PM (odn2c)

I was low on cash today. I needed paper for my printer, but I really wanted to buy barrys' autobiog. Guess what? They're the F'ng same!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 18, 2009 04:08 PM (ABUF9)

67 Certs is a floor wax

Posted by: Independent 3 at November 18, 2009 04:08 PM (cvvNY)

68 Spellcheck...it doesn't make up for stupidity, unfortunately.

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 04:09 PM (n1uMU)

69 There's exactly nothing in that poll suggesting indy voters will switch to The White Party.

Dream on, ace.

Posted by: Ed Bernays at November 18, 2009 04:09 PM (RdKK8)

70 How does air work?

Posted by: Independent 4 at November 18, 2009 04:10 PM (odn2c)

71
eggmcmuffin ignores what happened in New Jersey

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 04:11 PM (bcRFr)

72 burberry scarf | CD Keys

Posted by: jason at November 18, 2009 04:11 PM (fRLM+)

73 Today I noticed some shoes have ropes, mine have velcro

Posted by: Independent 5 at November 18, 2009 04:11 PM (cvvNY)

Laptop Battery Guy, and his tenuous grasp of the English language, is the only one that can save us now!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 18, 2009 04:11 PM (H7Rlw)

75 7 Anyone know where I can get a laptop battery dance in England?
Posted by: logprof

Fixed it

Posted by: Limo Driver at November 18, 2009 04:12 PM (eA3tl)

76 There's exactly nothing in that poll suggesting indy voters will switch

Keep fucking that chicken, erg.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 18, 2009 04:12 PM (hoowK)

77 He's just a stupid troll posting stupid troll posts.

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 04:12 PM (n1uMU)

78 71 There's exactly nothing in that poll suggesting indy voters will switch to The White Party.

Posted by: Ed Bernays at November 18, 2009 09:09 PM (RdKK

There's also nothing in that poll that explains why you like to eat poodle shit.

Posted by: Independent 4 at November 18, 2009 04:13 PM (odn2c)

79 Webster's Dictionary is taking a poll, next to which definition would you like Barak Obama's picture to appear:

1. Cocksucker
2. Douche-nozzle
3. Ass wipe
4. Vishu, destroyer of worlds

Posted by: Webster Dictionary at November 18, 2009 08:47 PM (cvvNY)

Out of the available choices, I'll go with # 2

I would have preferred to choose 'fucktard', but it wasn't there.

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 18, 2009 04:14 PM (LEynS)

80 Posted by: Ed Bernays

Saucy!!

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 18, 2009 04:14 PM (MFbfZ)

81
Funny how eggmcmuffin is reading up on Edward Bernays. Probably trying to learn more about the Obama/Axelrod psy-ops operation they're conducting on the American people.

Posted by: ikilledamanwithatrident at November 18, 2009 04:14 PM (XiLyG)

82 The White Party! You mean the Democrat party when you say that right?

Posted by: gau at November 18, 2009 04:15 PM (n1uMU)

83 @ 8 "Can we just start calling the Republican Party the "Independent Party"? Party ID would shoot up. Independents are pretty much all fiscal conservative/social moderates anyway."

well if republicans were conservative we could, unfortunately...

Posted by: ugly kid joe at November 18, 2009 04:16 PM (qGR8d)

84 I saw a muffin today that looked like Ed Bradley. It was nice.

Posted by: Independent 6 at November 18, 2009 04:16 PM (odn2c)

85 Today I got new mittens, but these have fingers, HELP! how do they work?

Posted by: Independent 6 at November 18, 2009 04:16 PM (cvvNY)

86 I like to sneak into the girls room at night and braid their Barbie doll's hair.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 18, 2009 04:17 PM (cvvNY)

Posted by: Independent 6 at November 18, 2009 09:16 PM (cvvNY)

Get offa my cloud!

Posted by: Independent 6 at November 18, 2009 04:18 PM (odn2c)

88 @89

Posted by: Independent 6 at November 18, 2009 09:16 PM (cvvNY)

Get offa my cloud!

My self- flagellation will commence immediately!

Posted by: cvvNY at November 18, 2009 04:20 PM (cvvNY)

That's not saying much. The Politburo was more open and transparent than the Obama gang.

Posted by: flenser at November 18, 2009 04:21 PM (QrdfE)

90 We are watching you Mr. Zogby.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front, MI5 Section at November 18, 2009 04:21 PM (PBGAP)

91 He'd get 65% of American Jews if he goosestepped and was building ovens. I haven't heard much from Buckley lately-Brooks is still a joke, though. Thank god we dodged a bullet with Palin.

Posted by: ed at November 18, 2009 04:23 PM (KrvIU)

Frank Luntz invited me to his house to get wired for a survey because I met him on the bus to my high school and told him I was an independent.

He gave me seven gin fizzes and I passed out. I woke up two days later with a strange itch in my vagina.

I like cheese.

Posted by: Independent 27 at November 18, 2009 04:24 PM (odn2c)

93 Icy poles in winter are tasty

Posted by: Independent 57 at November 18, 2009 04:26 PM (I3Udb)

I haven't heard much from Buckley lately

Posted by: ed at November 18, 2009 09:23 PM (KrvIU)

You mean Bill? For some reason, no one has.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 18, 2009 04:27 PM (odn2c)

95 Today, Joe Biden escaped from his "home". I found him in our attic, wearing a nightie, and surrounded by 28 packs of green Jello. When I asked him why he left the "home", he said it was because they only gave him red Jello.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 18, 2009 04:28 PM (I8iDh)

96 I eat paste.

Posted by: Independent 33 at November 18, 2009 04:28 PM (PBGAP)

97 But, but....President Pacific is liked personally. We hate what you're doing to us, but we sure's do likes you....

Posted by: Twinks at November 18, 2009 04:29 PM (LeFbD)

98 Frank Luntz is dreamy.

Posted by: Independent 435 at November 18, 2009 04:32 PM (PBGAP)

99 All these independents are making me puke.

Posted by: Jimmy at November 18, 2009 04:32 PM (/Ft4q)

100 And for American Jews? They claimed they thought that Obama would be better for Israel.

That was because of leftist Jews, who are more anti-Israel than just about anyone.

On a side note: O'Reilly, in his talk with Dick Morris started to show that he is beginning to understand what's going on - though he's still resisting - when he said, "I can't believe [The Precedent] is that dumb."

Yes, The Precedent is that dumb ... and nasty as all get-out, too. I don't understand why people keep resisting the obvious. It baffles me, really.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 18, 2009 04:32 PM (A46hP)

101 I'd still vote for Bush someone said. Yeah, me too, These jerks where safe for eight years, now they will bring death to NY. Nothing we can do to save fools.

Posted by: Phu at November 18, 2009 04:33 PM (y7WVR)

102 Laptop batteries are useful.

Posted by: Independent 58 at November 18, 2009 04:33 PM (I3Udb)

103 Today, Joe Biden escaped from his "home". I found him in our attic, wearing a nightie, and surrounded by 28 packs of green Jello. When I asked him why he left the "home", he said it was because they only gave him red Jello.

This might explain the demo derbies his motorcade has been getting into. It stopped being funny when someone died though.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 18, 2009 04:33 PM (1O93r)

104 The White Party?

You mean the Dems are pretty much declaring they're NOT a party for ALL Americans?

Do tell. I hope you guys actually start saying that aloud.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at November 18, 2009 04:35 PM (hCQG5)

105 You mean the Dems are pretty much declaring they're NOT a party for ALL Americans?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at November 18, 2009 09:35 PM (hCQG5)

The Dems are a party for ALL anti-Americans.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 18, 2009 04:37 PM (A46hP)

106 Call me bad, but I have no desire to save fools. They vote.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 18, 2009 04:38 PM (dQdrY)

107 And laptop-battery guy is the best spammer evah.

He might are be speaking laptop-battery at you, but he reads the blog. That's freakin enterprising.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at November 18, 2009 04:38 PM (hCQG5)

108

Start the ONT!

My wife just ran off with the big guy who cleans our pool and her mother got drunk and stripped naked in my driveway in broad daylight while I had to bail our 11 year-old out of Juvenile court for flipping off the Judge while my ex-wife #2 stole my new F250 and ran it into a bus in Matamoros.

I need to share all this on the ONT!

Posted by: Desperate ONT Moron at November 18, 2009 04:38 PM (odn2c)

109 I agree with your view, but I stand on the squat of your opinion sitting atop the downward spiral of the uppity fall which gives winter to the heaven's soul of the primary shoes.

Hey, that is kinda fun.

Posted by: the battery in her lap at November 18, 2009 04:40 PM (DIYmd)

110

Yes, The Precedent is that dumb ... and nasty as all get-out, too. I don't understand why people keep resisting the obvious. It baffles me, really.

This entire post has baffled me. How is it such a stretch to believe that Independents might just be figuring out that Obama is a liar?

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 18, 2009 04:40 PM (AYWcM)

111

Start the ONT!

I need to share all this on the ONT!

ONT? Jesus, Mary, Joseph AND the donkey!! that's enough for a soap opera

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 18, 2009 04:40 PM (1O93r)

112 Now that you mention it, he does kind of suck at everything.

Posted by: unemployed independent 103 at November 18, 2009 04:40 PM (PD1tk)

113 Ah done boughted me one o' them thar lapdance battrees.
Twarn't worth it.

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Posted by: AngelEm at November 18, 2009 04:44 PM (HCxZ0)

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Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 18, 2009 04:45 PM (otlXg)

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Arthur Miller obviously intended Death of a Salesman to be an indictment of the capitalist system, but what he did instead was to ruthlessly parody the kind of man Miller himself no doubt admired: an empty, spiritless shell of a man who lived only for the admiration and approval of other people. A pathetic, deluded, doomed fool.

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Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 18, 2009 05:32 PM (n2wxa)

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I thought erg was told to bugger off, and said he would go?

Well, see, you fell for it.

Care to be naive again?

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 18, 2009 05:36 PM (AYWcM)

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Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 18, 2009 05:38 PM (n2wxa)

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The good news is the bloom is off Barry's rose....the bad news is the rose is anti-matter in a matter universe.

Reid sees the writing on the wall, he is if anything the most honest of the unholy trimverate at Washington DC Swamp about being a cagey opportunistic machine pol. Frau Botox and Captain Orator of the USS Um-uhUm are the true believers so as others have posted you can see what the donks who think the nation will have elections in '10 and '12 are ne4rvous. The folks who think the Republic will be populous-whispered into believing that mammograms are a frivolity and why yes we are not rationing care, or the proles won't be allowed to vote are the ones going Farragut and yelling "full speed ahead"......

The next three months will be a huge tell on which wing is really in charge.

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p.s. AP is in self-fellatory mose over at HA pretty heavy tonight and his fanbois are spreading the "at least HA don't wield the banhammer" routine pretty hard as well.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2009 05:44 PM (Yqr40)

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Posted by: John Smallberries (rdb) at November 18, 2009 05:56 PM (ykQCk)

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AP, the twerp, banned me about a week ago. Over nothing. Because I said that I would be happy if Cao got shipped back to Viet Nam. The friggin' article I was commenting on had to mention that the guy was from Viet Nam. Every article about him talks about it, but AP thought that I had showed bannable racist tendencies by mentioning Viet Nam in my comment.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 18, 2009 05:57 PM (A46hP)

143 Always remember that when it's all said and done, these so-called "independents" are really just 52%ers. They are largely responsible for the ascension of Toonces, and thus the huge mess we're in now. I don't give a rat's ass how they are feeling now, after the fact. It's a little too little, a little too late.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 18, 2009 06:00 PM (554T5)

144

AP, the twerp, banned me about a week ago. Over nothing.

This is so Access Hollywood for the geopolitical twits

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 18, 2009 06:01 PM (AYWcM)

145

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Well Peace remember when AP goes CJ it is for the "greater good"....

and only conservative Republicans need held accountable, RiNOs stand for "whatever"....

at the end of the day Cao got elected because he was a RiNO which is to say he is a NOLA politico who got the job because the Cajuns had reached their limit on graft and corruption for the decade....and their tolerance is legendary.

AP is a twat.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2009 06:01 PM (Yqr40)

146

And for American Jews? They claimed they thought that Obama would be better for Israel.

Jews need to jump onto the conservative wagon. Remember about ten years ago when anti-Israel protests were forming on college campuses all over. And a totally spontaneous anti-protest in favor of Israel formed. That was beautiful. Because it was pretty much all conservative Christians. And they even had black t-shirts with some saying, iirc. The Christians were saying, "Dude. Don't fuck with Israel. Really. I mean it."

(Then those idiots Robertson and Falwell tried to put their stamp on the spontaneous movement with a full page ad in the NYT. That pissed me off. I sent the mother of all rants to Falwell over that one.)

I tried to think of what might be similar to that. If the world jumped-ugly on England, little big-brother America would wade-in fists first.

Posted by: John Smallberries (rdb) at November 18, 2009 06:02 PM (ykQCk)

147

147,

we have to pretend so we can get their votes to dislodge Frau Botox of Dingy H this next year....

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Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2009 06:03 PM (Yqr40)

148 progressoverpeace

I left there years ago. I'm a Vietnam vet, hard to find a home, looks like this is a good start. You won't find it at 2.0.

Posted by: Phu at November 18, 2009 06:15 PM (y7WVR)

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I tried to think of what might be similar to that. If the world jumped-ugly on England, little big-brother America would wade-in fists first.

Wow, way to be a bunch of useless fags.

You don't give two shits about your country, do you?

Or your cousins who will back you up when it comes to Muslim terrorism?

Trust us, when your dumbfuck British policies get your asses wasted by Islamic Jihad and Sharia Law, don't come crying to us when Ireland laughs at you from their castles.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 18, 2009 06:22 PM (AYWcM)

150 You won't find it at 2.0.

Posted by: Phu at November 18, 2009 11:15 PM (y7WVR)

You lost me. 2.0?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 18, 2009 06:22 PM (A46hP)

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I'm going to write a book about the human experience.

"Negroes and the White Folks who Freed Them; A Study in White Guilt."

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 18, 2009 06:47 PM (AYWcM)

152 Indepentants can lick my balls...If you're that stupid you voted for Obama you shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore.

Posted by: Bosk at November 18, 2009 07:02 PM (QUQrv)

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