1 Stop with the red already.

2 You've got red on you....

3 Wait, that would go against the whole "she's an ignorant redneck" meme tho...

4

Intimidate the hospital?

Yes, by buzzing the tower!

Or they could rev the engines on their personal watercraft really loudly!

5

Gob smacking.

Fuck you, Andrew, you loathesome twat.

6 Don't begrude a man his belief that real life is exactly like Desperate Housewives.

7 I wonder if all those checks from The Atlantic could intimidate the ASPCA into covering up an epidemic of dead gerbils...

8 Who is this "Andrew Sullivan"?   I don't believe we've ever met.

9 "They couldn't intimidate a local hospital, could they?"

<jaw wide open, then remembering this is Sullivan, closing it right up>

Dude, that's fucking deranged. I mean, it's one thing to hear a juicy gossip and get a raging boner over it, and another to make yourself into an ass by following it up, and quite another thing to delude yourself into this incredibly twisted multifaceted crazy Bilderberger conspiracy theory.

Jesus, I'm hoping the Atlantic retires Sully out of mercy. He needs serious help.

10 500,000 for a house? THAT is supposed to strike me as wealthy? Jefferson lived in Monti-fuckin-cello.

11 cancel your subscription

Or better, print a list of their advertisers and let slip the army of morons.

12 OMG!!!1!1 

Sarah and Todd Palin built a profitable business, worked their asses off in a variety of jobs, invested their money wisely, and have prospered as a consequence!

Clearly they're not qualified to speak to the concerns of the Mythical Average American!

13 Wow, the governor of Alaska owns a single-engine airplane.

Alaska, a state with the largest landmass of any state...90% of which is inaccessible by any form of transportation, except....small aircraft.

Gobsmacked, indeed.

14 A US Senator couldn't intimidate a local hospital when his wife works there, could he?

15 to make yourself into an ass

Only so that I may fuck myself.

16 The guy is completely drool cup, bat-shit fucking crazy.  I just can't believe the Atlantic continues to put up with this shit.

17 More importantly, is that money coming from front groups for Islamic terrorism? Do those vehicles have unusually large fuel tanks, and if so, could the fuel burn hot enough to melt steel? I think it's Sullivan's duty as a journalist to ask these questions.

18 I don't know about Andi Sullivan's combined income (salary from the Gay Gossip Site & Anti-Semitic Newsletter and tricking) is enough to keep the GGS&ASN from firing his ass, but I think the photos of the GGS&ASN owners porking little boys in the tush may.

19 Just heard on the Senate floor:

"Senator Obama's plan to increase the national debt by a trillion and a half dollars is not consistent with his pledge to lower the national debt and return to being 'fiscally responsible' at all".

"Senator Obama has changed his definition of the middle class from (I think he said $44,000) to $66,000, so, needless to say if you make more than $66,000 you cannot expect a tax cut."

That last quote is a bit paraphrased because the guy is talking so fast, but whoever this senator guy is he's ripping Obama up. He's calling Obama out for saying that McCain wouldn't provide tax relief.

20 The hospital is a Triad Hospitals joint. Triad is a huge hospital chain out of Dallas. I don't think the Palins $500k igloo would scare them much.

21 Ace - I subscribe to many mags including the Atlantic.  I agree with you and will be cancelling my subscription.  No big loss really.

22 Andrew Sullivan is the idiot savant of Palin pregnancies.  Like Rain Man.

23

You know, if any of you do subscribe to gay gossip site and antisemitic newsletter and soap-opera fantasia diary The Atlantic, right about now would be a good time to cancel your subscription, and inform them of the reason.

Had a subscription that I let run out in the spring ... informed them of the reason then, and events since then have solidly confirmed I made the right choice.

That magazine has been sliding into the shithole anyway since Michael Kelly died.

24 A US Senator couldn't intimidate give a boatload of earmarks to a local hospital when so his wife works there gets a massive raise, could he?

FYP

25 I'm very intimidated by anyone who owns a jet-ski.  And the Palin's have two? 



Shit.

26 Subscriptions? You're kidding right? Ace, we may be morons but we're not stupid.

27

I assume Sullivan lives in a shack in the worst part of town, right?

28 So, the Palins are successful is an indication of what, exactly, other than that is the type of person we want to be a possible leader our country. But i suppose it is not the right kind of wealth. It must be trust fund money to mean anything, or acquired through means that some would consider to be less than legal.
I don't hear Andi whining about the price of BHO's residence or Biden's place.

29 Is Sullivan projecting? He doth intimidate hospitals too much.

30 You know, if any of you do subscribe to gay gossip site and antisemitic newsletter and soap-opera fantasia diary The Atlantic, right about now would be a good time to cancel your subscription, and inform them of the reason.

I almost want to subscribe briefly, just to have the pleasure of cancelling the subscription.

31 Let me be blunt. An adult male so obsessed with a male child tells me only one thing: Andrew Sullivan is a pedophile. If anyone in your life took an unhealthy and obsessive interest in a child, what would else would you call them?

32 Can't type. What else would you call an adult male who expresses an unhealthy obsession with a child? I would ask his cowriters and editors if Andrew Sullivan is a pedophile because he sure acts like it and when did The Atlantic become the NAMBLA Newsletter?

33 What's the going rate is for an HIV positive, brain damaged blogger and writer  these days?

Just asking questions mind you.

34

Booben, you make a great circumstantial case.  I think Andrew should release his medical records so that we can learn whether he's ever seen a psychiatrist.

Once that's settled, and it should be very easy for Andrew to release his records, we can move on.

It's a legitimate issue.  Truly, if you were Sarah Palin, and you knew that Andrew was going to attend a campaign event, wouldn't you want to have extra security?

35 I'm actually subscribing to The Atlantic right now - just so I can have the pleasure of cancelling it.  What is this cocksuckers problem? (Woops, I meant that figuratively and it came out literally.)

36

If I were ever presented the opportunity I'd like, to paraphrase the immortal Eazy E on this, reach back like a pimp and smack Andrew like a ho', but it would be too much an insult.

An insult to all those prostitutes out there who have even been bitch slapped.

Andrew isn't worthy of even that much 'respect.'

To call Andy a bitch is to insult any woman ever called a bitch. Even the ones who actually are bitches.

37 He's not still on this business, is he? Human gestation has been explained to him, right? I need to know where he got this stinkin' idea. Did he think of it himself in a reverie? Or has somebody taken advantage of his weak head and been quite cruel to him and fed him this story?

38 So, the median income is about $50,000 then, if my math is right?  Given that $50k is higher than the median income nationwide, it reasons that these locals are more well to do than the average American.  Hence, The Palin's MIGHTY $250k really isn't so powerful.  I think its more likely that Michelle Obama's $300k+ salary and whatever Barry O pulled down could be used to push around city dwellers below the median poverty line.

39

There's not a hospital in the US that could be "intimidated" by that amount of cash.  That particular hospital made $32 million last year.  Andi's mental function (and relevance) continue to shrink beyond the microscopic level.

40 I'm sure that Trig's secret service nanny has Andrew's picture on a flash card.

41 Kensington: I'm not being facetious. What would anyone think if someone they knew acted like Sullivan, i.e., act obsessed with yours or someone else's child? I think the answer is obvious and I don't know why more people are not asking what the hell is going on with The Atlantic's tacit endorsement of this behavior?

42 I am still at a loss as to why it is so damned important to him to prove that Trig is Bristol's baby.  If, IF true, so what?

Has this ever been explained?

43 Once inside a lad's ass, queerly, as I pumped him, peaking nearly, Leaking fruity juices early as my power glutes engorged, While I prodded, spurting semen, suddenly a dark she-demon Deigned to interrupt my reaming, reaming of my bath-house whore. "Did'st thou with thy eldest daughter, switch the baby Trig in order To deceive this nation, or to help you through the White House door? Quoth the Palin, "Never, moron."

44 Gotta agree with Slappy White. Ya mean people PAY to read that drivel? Hell I can write better trash than that, and CHEAPER.

45 Incredible.  A new low for Sully.

46

Any bets on who the real bread winner in the family is? Something tells me Todd makes more then Sarah. Between endorsement deals for his numerous snowmobile championships and his pay for working the oil fields and a fishing business it wouldn't surprise me at all to see that he makes more then her.

And Sullivan is just obssesed on this baby thing. He needs some professional help.

47

"They couldn't intimidate a local hospital, could they?"

No, Andrew Sullivan, OBGYN/CPA.  That requires Kennedyesque levels of money.

Besides, if you take away from the $250k the political salary (~$100k?) you get a respectable number for a working family - but a lower class number for places like, say, P-town.

48

LOL.. good lord. 

You want to see how much some of the houses are worth in Alaska.... here take a gander!

http://www.alaskarealestate.com/

 

49

Sullivan has the hots for Palin (Todd, that is) and he's pissed because Sarah doesn't share.

Can you imagine being a "man" and not be able to appreciate the beauty of Sarah Palin. No wonder Sullivan hates her so.

 

50

Andrew, seriously, get a physical.

The insanity caused by late-stage syphilis was once one of the more common forms of dementia; this was known as the general paresis of the insane. One suspected example is the insanity of noted composer Robert Schumann, although the precise cause of his death is still disputed by scholars.

The Russian author Leo Tolstoy suffered from syphilis during his youth, which was treated using arsenic treatment.

A recent article in the European Journal of Neurology (June 2004) hypothesized that the founder of communism in Russia, Vladimir IIyich Lenin, died of neurosyphilis.

Karen Blixen, the author of Out of Africa, contracted syphilis from her husband while living in Africa. He had contracted the disease from an African woman with whom he had been unfaithful. After having undergone treatment in Denmark, she returned to Africa. Blixen was unable to have children.

51

That "Raven" parody was genius.

52

I used to live in Alaska and private airplanes are almost as commonplace there as SUVs in suburbia in the Lower 48.  It seems like every other Alaskan has a private pilot's license and either owns or rents a private plane.  You can barely get around the state without one.  They aren't a plaything of the wealthy.  Hell, I had a private pilot's license myself and flew a lot when I lived there.

And a half million dollar house isn't a mansion either. North Slope workers don't make peanuts so Todd Sullivan probably does pretty well himself.  The Palin's are a two income family that has done pretty well.  So what?  I really think Sullivan is mentally ill.

 

 

53

Booben:  I swear to God, I'm not being facetious either.

Does anyone know what Andrew's middle name is?  We should probably start including it so that non-crazy Andrew Sullivans don't get tainted by the reference.

54

Shee-it, E.A.P., that was nice.

55 A city/county employee in LA makes about $125k. So, a combined income of married employees is $250k and fairly common. A crappy ranch house goes for about $650- 850k.

56 Does anyone know what Andrew's middle name is? We should probably start including it so that non-crazy Andrew Sullivans don't get tainted by the reference. I doubt there is any other Andrew Sullivan that has an unhealthy obsession with the infant of Gov. Palin. So, I wouldn't worry about it.

57 What would anyone think if someone they knew acted like Sullivan...

I know a guy like that who is buggy about chem trails and black helicopters.  Mostly I try to avoid him.

58

Posted by: Edgar Andrew Poe at September 30, 2008 02:40 PM (VKn7o)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"I am still at a loss as to why it is so damned important to him to prove that Trig is Bristol's baby.  If, IF true, so what?  Has this ever been explained?"

I think Sullivan's inane justification is that, if it's true, the Sarah is a liar.

59

What a piece of human debris.

60 I've given this some thought and clearly we've all missed the point. Andrew Sullivan is a journalist and he's just doing his job. As a journalist, his job is to ask questions. He believes that Trig Palin is an election prop, cooked up by his sister Bristol and appropriated by Sarah Palin. He believes that he has uncovered the biggest presidential/vice-presidential election cover-up since Watergate. Bigger than Woodward and Bernstein. It's not All the President's Men, it's.... The Governor's Gynecologist. In his mind, there's a huge book advance in his future and a best selling novel to boot. The book will be made into a major motion picture, starring Jason Alexander as the brilliant yet misunderstood political blogger. Don't you see? He's just one intimidated hospital employee source away from hitting the big time.   

61

$500,000 for a house? That's not nearly as impressive as a $1.6million one (particularly when its fair market value is $2.6million, once the neighboring lot is abandoned back to the original tract).

Just how many hospitals in the US are intimidated?  But why bother, when $1million seems to work nicely (signs indicate that the hospital will be so grateful that if one's wife works there, she is likely to get a 180% pay raise).

62 Amyl nitrates and rough glory hole sex are a poor substitute for auto-erotic asphyxiation.  Take the Micheal Hutchence way out, Sully.

63 Ok, this is getting silly.  Andy I think needs to find a way to influence a local hospital so he can get really good psychiatric care.  These bizarre rantings have gone beyond weird and lapsed over into creepy and disgusting.  He is grabbing onto this story like a dog would a bone (make your own joke) when the rest of the world knew it was nothing and MovedOn.org.

How does he square this with his "bad mom" complaints that her water broke in Texas and she spent allllllll that time on a plane to get back to Alaska (and her husband and family) ?  Did Bristol give her mom a bottle of.... ya know.  Screw it, I'm not even gonna go there.

64 A lot of gay men hate "breeders."

65

I believe the Palins really are covering up the truth about Trig's birth.

The truth is the Palins found Trig in a small rocketship that crashed near their home.

66

Poe. Sumbitch. My hat is off to you. Brilliant work.

You're not an English major, are you?

67 Can we please start ignoring this man already?

68 Okay, I'm convinced. Andrew Sullivan is fucked up. But what's the Atlantic's problem? Is the shit contagious?

69 Why doesn't everyone pressure Drudge to drop this sick psycho's link off his front page? Between that and a concerted effort by bloggers to STOP FREAKING LINKING AND DISCUSSING HIS MADNESS he might diminish and fall away as any sort of pundit and his popularity might shrivel away.

It's worth a try, isn't it?

70 So I guess she/they can afford those five kids, then.

Hey, wait a minute, how can anyone with that many kids earn so much. It's against the law or god's will, or something.

71 Does anyone know what Andrew's middle name is?

Beverly

72

Um...Even if  Sarah had given birth to a changling baby, the Palins wouldn't have to intimidate a hospital to keep their personal health information private.  HIPAA garantees such privacy and punishes staff and organizations who break that caveat with serious fines.  I believe it's $50k per each violation.

73 Until McCain/Palin agrees to give state sanction to where Andrew put's Lil' Andrew in his spare time, we are going to see more of this nonsense from Sullivan.  That is simply all he cares about anymore, and he will do anything to advance his agenda.

74

I think he's assuming the doctor or hospital will acknowledge that Trig is Sarah Palin's kid, so he can just cry SEE?! THEIR WEALTH AND POWER INTIMIDATED THEM!11!1

They won't.  Privacy laws and stuff.  Unless the Palin's ok it.  Which I hope they won't.  Sullivan is running headlong toward the edge of the abyss, I'd hate to see him apply the brakes now.

75

Depending on which side of the political aisle you're on, that financial descripition can have you intimdate million dollar corporations (Palin's) or let you qualify for SCHIP ( Frost's*).

* This is the family used in the dems SCHIP commercial found to own a house worth around 300,000 and also owned commercial real estate and owned his own business.   

76 I take it that Sullivan thinks that a 500K home looks like the Kennedy compound to the toothless snowbillies living in Wasilla.

77 What is the multiplier of the average Chicagoan's income that you need to get to $510K? (Michele Obama's 330K Salary + Barak Obama's 180K Salary).  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it iis more than 5.  Or 8.  Probably about 10. 

78

I am still at a loss as to why it is so damned important to him to prove that Trig is Bristol's baby.  If, IF true, so what?

Has this ever been explained?

Yeah, I don't get it either. It's not like it would really damage Palin if it turned out to be true. I suspect that Andrew got called onto the carpet because of this and now he's obsessed with vindicating himself. I have an image of him in his ptown apartment stroking his beagles with one hand and rolling ball bearings in the other.

79

You know, if any of you do subscribe to gay gossip site and antisemitic newsletter and soap-opera fantasia diary The Atlantic, right about now would be a good time to cancel your subscription, and inform them of the reason. interrogate your own mother as to why she didn't abort something as fucking pathetic as what you've turned out to be.

80 OK let me get this right.  There is a massive conspiracy to hide Trig's real mother.  This would have to involve all the Palins, Trig's father, the family obstetrician, his/her staff, the hospital staff and numerous other people.  All of these people involved and not one squealed yet.  Watergate had fewer participants and John Dean squealed like a little pig.

81 Oops did that sound harsh? I meant that right about now would be a good time to sneak up out of the basement, steal all of your mom's sleeping pills, and wash them down with a liter of valu-rite.

82 Sullivan has moved beyond self-parody into the clinical arena.......and he apparently has not a clue what a raving buffoon he now appears to all sane readers.  I pretty much quit visiting his site to avoid building his traffic when he went off the rails into his BushCheneywarcrimestorture obsession.

Now his weird BDSM fascination with "torture" has morphed into some even weirder pedophile thing.  Why does the Atlantic put up with this stuff?

The Poe thing was brilliant, BTW.

83 Maetenloch at September 30, 2008 03:36 PM

That's about the best I can come up with, too.

Though I could do without such imagery. O! the connotations!

<shudder>

84 Maybe Jesse Ventura can look into this in his new "conspiracy theory" TV show.

85

You what else is a single-engine aircraft?

The Japanese Zero used at Pearl Harbor.

Google it.

86

Why doesn't everyone pressure Drudge to drop this sick psycho's link off his front page?

I don't know to pressure Drudge, although I'd vote for Ace refering to Drudge as the Grand Promoter of the gay gossip site and antisemitic newsletter and soap-opera fantasia diary.

87 I think the AIDS has finally destroyed Andrew's brain.  Well, not finally.  It seems to have happened a couple years back.

88 Wow.  Sullivan has really gone mad, hasn't he?

It's so sad.

89 What is the multiplier of the average Chicagoan's income that you need to get to $510K? (Michele Obama's 330K Salary + Barak Obama's 180K Salary).  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it iis more than 5.  Or 8.  Probably about 10.

Wikipedia gives the median income in Chicago as $38,600.

90 I like the red. It's time to post "Rawmusclegultes" again.

91 The truth is the Palins found Trig wrapped in blue and red blankets with a big "S" on the front, in a small rocketship meteor with crystals sticking out of it that crashed near their home.

FTFY

92

Does anyone know what Andrew's middle name is?

It's Probably Steve.  So his initials are probably  "A.S.S."

 

Joe NYC

93 A lot of gay men hate "breeders."

Well, I think in this case, Andi saw the beauty pageant video on youtube and is furious that Sarah has better legs than he does.

94 Who is this "Andrew Sullivan"? I don't believe we've ever met.

Lucky. Believe me, I'd love to get rid of him.

95      Sullied is so wackamundied because the Palins are just so, well, natural, and the P-town prancer's self styled "bear" identification appropriates elements of normal regular guy maleness, e.g., flannel shirts,  facial hair, beer, to style a kind of self-conscious hyper- maleness,  and yet he must know on some level he and his buds actually look like the wimp-ass, freakazoid nancy boys who are the true expressions of their inner Andiness.

      It making he sooo mad because ape it as he may, alas, his very bestest effort, Sullied and de' other tea dance fairy "bears" just lack that certain verisimilitude.

      And recall that for Sullivan,  Provincetown in the Summer and urban "gay" neighborhoods are the parameters of the "normal" range.

      That would mean pretty much anyone who isn't a freak is by definition here in flyover country, is a freak to AS.

96 $250,000? Wow, we're talking crazy rape-kit numbers. No wonder the hospital is playing ball. (yes, I am kidding)

97 I have an image of him in his ptown apartment stroking his beagles with one hand and rolling ball bearings in the other. Really? I have an image of him beating off to American Baby Magazine

98 Is this guy as shocked that after Obama became a Senator his wife's RAISE was almost equal to the Palin's combined income?   How does THAT compare with the average income of his Old Illinois State Senatorial District????

99 Seriously, couldn't we pressure Drudge to take him off the front page? As a unified group of people on the right? Emails requesting he be dropped as a horrific conspiracy mongering scumbag?

100 Andi has finally reached a level where I, personally, wish extreme bodily harm upon him.

101

For many years I read Sullivan almost daily. I stopped, without having deliberately decided to do so, about a month ago. The other day I suddenly realized "Hey, I haven't read Sullivan in weeks," as in, hey, what's up with my neighbor's dog?

I doubt I'll ever read him again.

The Sullivan screen shot Ace put up made me laugh. I've never just laughed at a Sullivan post before.

The man needs help.

Sad.

102 First, we have that Sarah is too; stupid, naive, inexperienced, close-minded, out-of-touch, anti-female, etc. Now we have, "Are the Palin's common enough?". Is identity politics the only card the Obama camp has to play besides anti-Bushism?

What a sad, sad world we'll soon be living in when my $500k house (well, actually its $600k, but who is counting?) makes me a rich, greedy, pig? Maybe Barack will help me redistribute my wealth...

103 Maybe Barack will help me redistribute my wealth...

Maybe?

There are times when I'm glad that I'm just this side of broke.

104 I think Todd Palin and his friends built the home that Sullivan is so exercised about. We're talking "custom-built" like Little House on the Prairie. He's such a maroon.

105 If each person commenting and reading here requested Drudge take Sullivan off his page, maybe he'd listen. Give it a shot, maybe? Without those hits, Sullivan would lose a lot of prestige and value to Atlantic.

106 Once inside the clinic, searching, records of the changeling urchin, Sought I hard to locate, lurching back and forth from file to file, I then knew that I must find a path into that sweet vagina Traveled one less time than five by Todd -- his last the Piper-child. If too small for my man-pistol, that would show that only Bristol Could the newest little kiddle in the growing brood have bore. Quoth the Palin: "Make me sore." Gladly then I did oblige her, tried to force my rod inside her, But it would not slide and I of course announced my proof to all: "How could baby Trig have trickled out of twat my prick can't tickle Twat in which I can't stick dick in quickly, and then drain my balls? Quoth the Palin: "Let him snore." With that last word came the creeping revelation I'd been sleeping In my office, drink and seeping feces from my anal pore. Only in my dreams triumphing, after passing out dry-humping Both my beagles and then bumping my head on the bathroom floor. So it seems my great adventure sprung to life from AIDS dementia And as quickly ended with me mouth-raped by the janitor. Just his cock, and nothing more.

107 Who is this "Andrew Sullivan"? I don't believe we've ever met. We have, and it wasn't pretty.

108 Andi: Their combined income... Hey, Andi, jackass: You realise how much it COSTS to live in Alaska? Do you know how much real estate is? Yeah, they have a single engine plane...Have you noticed the dearth of roads in the state, especially north of Nome? Notice there's lots of water around Alaska? Think there might be a need for a couple of boats? Fucking jackass. And, pray tell, Sully, how much is YOUR house worth in G-town, eh?

109 Sorry, that was me above.

110 I used to live in Alaska and private airplanes are almost as commonplace there as SUVs in suburbia in the Lower 48. It seems like every other Alaskan has a private pilot's license and either owns or rents a private plane. You can barely get around the state without one. They aren't a plaything of the wealthy. Hell, I had a private pilot's license myself and flew a lot when I lived there. Exactly, and it's a single engine...we are talking Piper or Cessna here, not a fucking Gulfstream or Learjet. What a fucking dick (pun intended) Andi is.

111 Robert Schumann, although the precise cause of his death is still disputed by scholars. His damned wife, probably for starters...

112 In Andi's arse were milky loads, A stately pleasure-hole to see: Where Dick, the muscle raw glute came In caverns measureless to fame Down in a stinky glee. So twice five miles of fertile ground With sphincters tight were girdled round: And there were hem'roids bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an polyp-bearing sty; And here were conquests ancient lie, Nar'y a spot of greenery.

113

I have an image of him in his ptown apartment stroking his beagles with one hand and rolling ball bearings in the other.

Maetenloch - I didn't know Sullivan refered to his balls as beagles.

114

I love how he calls it a "custom built home" that is "WORTH" more than the average of other stuff in that town.  This is, I'm guessing, the house her husband and his buddy built? We're supposed to be upset that a lady's husband freaking built their house! Because it's "custom" built?

Man, I really think he has a mental problem.  Also, I love the parsing of words on "personal watercraft" because living in Arkansas I think about all the people I know who might have a boat or two and totally not be rich.  You know, babe, people who live out of the cities who are not rich have boats and four wheelers and snow mobiles and whatever else.  That stuff is not that expensive, especially if you buy it used.  Whatever.

115 Cha, but in the end the (way) better man won!

116

Man, I really think he has a mental problem.  Also, I love the parsing of words on "personal watercraft" because living in Arkansas I think about all the people I know who might have a boat or two and totally not be rich.  You know, babe, people who live out of the cities who are not rich have boats and four wheelers and snow mobiles and whatever else.  That stuff is not that expensive, especially if you buy it used.  Whatever.

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