November 02, 2008
— Open Blog

This is yet another gem uncovered by Naked Emperor News. It's from an interview Obama gave to the San Francisco Chronicle in which he speaks of his approach to global warming and cap-and-trade systems. It's an approach I'm not sure the bitter gun clingers of Pennsylvania would appreciate:
The transcript via Newsbusters:
Let me sort of describe my overall policy.What Ive said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody elses out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; its just that it will bankrupt them because theyre going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thats being emitted.That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing Ive said with respect to coal, I havent been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
Its just that it will bankrupt them.
Hat tip: Hyscience
Cross posted at Nice Deb
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Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:13 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: DelD at November 02, 2008 07:13 AM (Yw/4J)
Posted by: Melgar at November 02, 2008 07:14 AM (A09kZ)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:15 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 07:15 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: BuckNutty at November 02, 2008 07:15 AM (vvUmd)
http://tiny.cc/KsBgH
Posted by: tree hugging sister at November 02, 2008 07:16 AM (RAqf7)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:16 AM (+FzLa)
But he will. Really. Seriously. This is the story of the day.
If you need help with the coding with the flaming skull, please ask and I'll walk you through it. The file itself is here.
We want it. It's our last best hope to swing this crucial swing state, and Ohio too.
Take the initiative!
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:16 AM (hawOV)
There needs to be ads up ASAP on this in OH, PA, CO and other coal states. Also Palin is in OH today and McCain is in PA and they need to hit this hard in their speeches.
Posted by: Randy R at November 02, 2008 07:18 AM (r+abb)
Jeez, obama, tell us how you really feel about people in Pennsylvania. murtha you can weigh in on that too.
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:19 AM (2Snaq)
"That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches."
Unbelievable, does he not understand the basic economic concept of opportunity cost?
Posted by: MR F at November 02, 2008 07:19 AM (qrzXj)
Posted by: Randy R at November 02, 2008 07:20 AM (r+abb)
Posted by: Nice Deb at November 02, 2008 07:20 AM (Yccrl)
Posted by: John Murtha at November 02, 2008 07:21 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:21 AM (yCbBv)
I'll walk you through how to code it in two seconds. Just hang on!
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:21 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:22 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 02, 2008 07:23 AM (M6ddU)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:23 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Sharon at November 02, 2008 07:23 AM (AFCJ2)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:24 AM (yCbBv)
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Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (004wR)
<img src"http://ace.mu.nu/archives/flaming_skull.gif" width="160" height="175" alt="Flaming Skull" />
Just use the editor to place it in the source code.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (yQXE2)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: Alex at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (sAP8F)
Posted by: Dave J at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (qsGH+)
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (yQXE2)
Something wrong with the views on this video and the schwarzenegger video, they both have way more views than are showing. (not for the first time)
Posted by: Ron. at November 02, 2008 07:25 AM (qEDHk)
Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 07:26 AM (e2mBS)
<img src="INSERT" width="160" height="175" alt="Flaming Skull" />
Where insert =
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/flaming_skull.gif
Basically, I left off the "equals" sign in the first code I gave you.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:27 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:28 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: DelD
LOL! I can't wait for primae noctus to make a comeback. If The One becomes President, I can see brides lining up at the White House (that's somehow appropriate for brides, no?) to partake of Barry's, uh, services. Of course, the Whiney Ass Bitch won't not like it.
Posted by: RickZ at November 02, 2008 07:29 AM (Cj7uc)
Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 07:29 AM (e2mBS)
He's pretty much announcing left and right that he is going to f*ck everyone over after throwing rock salt in the lube, and over 50% of the public is lapping it up.
What the f*cking f*ck?
Posted by: CrankyProf at November 02, 2008 07:30 AM (waYsO)
Posted by: shibumi at November 02, 2008 07:30 AM (tZB/c)
Someone who has access to this blog, edit this post to insert the skull at the first possible opportunity. And keep this bumped.
By popular demand! And common sense. Feel free to add damning rhetoric.
Thanks.
Also, if any of you comment at other blogs (like Patterico's, where I can't) that isn't already running this story, please bug them.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:30 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 07:30 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Ron. at November 02, 2008 07:31 AM (qEDHk)
Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 02, 2008 07:31 AM (5r0Tz)
soooo, biden was telling the truth about NO NEW COAL PLANTS.
Check out the PAGOP site. THey are running ads on the reverand. This is a different group from GOPTrust.
Also, i have watched the GOP trust ads over and over. They are hammering prime-time with them. CBS shows them at every commercial break from 8-12!
I am betting i see alot of them during football.
Do not give in do not surrender! These last 3 days are the most important.
I have also read alot of reports thats Mac's ground team is far surpassing Bush's in phone calls and door to door!!
This election is ours to win. And win we will.
Posted by: PPP at November 02, 2008 07:31 AM (zzms8)
Will someone please explain to me why this douchebag is even within shouting distance of McCain in the polls?
He's pretty much announcing left and right that he is going to f*ck everyone over after throwing rock salt in the lube, and over 50% of the public is lapping it up.
What the f*cking f*ck?
its not over 50%, only in polls the guy will lose
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:31 AM (004wR)
There are also coal plants here in Missouri. http://tinyurl.com/5lvtkj
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:32 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Fish at November 02, 2008 07:32 AM (6Rihj)
The real question is, how much will Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid attempt to block or slow down Obama's agenda? How much will they try to push their own agenda items?
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 02, 2008 07:33 AM (M6ddU)
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 07:33 AM (yQXE2)
But someone, anyone, we need a stronger lead sentence in addition to the skull.
This isn't just another gem. This could be the whole enchilada.
Write a whole new post if necessary and move this under it!
Flaming beacon!
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:33 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 07:34 AM (e2mBS)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:35 AM (+FzLa)
With this, as with Obama's talk about a "Civilian National Security Force," I tend to dismiss it because I think Obama is just blowing smoke. If the Dems in Congress actually let him push these policies through, they know Republicans will be resurgent from approx. 2010 through 2020.
The real question is, how much will Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid attempt to block or slow down Obama's agenda? How much will they try to push their own agenda items?
you don't understand do you? these people live in their own world, they actually believe everyone hates bush based on approval ratings and that the country is now center-left
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:35 AM (004wR)
The pecking order of flaming posts appears to be in order of importance:
1. Flaming Skull
2. Flaming Douche
3. Flaming Dick
4. Flaming Ears
Posted by: Fish at November 02, 2008 07:36 AM (6Rihj)
Posted by: Dave J at November 02, 2008 07:36 AM (qsGH+)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 07:37 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: Wil at November 02, 2008 07:37 AM (4sHuN)
Posted by: Clovis27 at November 02, 2008 07:37 AM (DwDUz)
...or sleeping under a drunk.
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:38 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:39 AM (2Snaq)
If I were the National Enquirer, I'd offer at least a million dollars and total anonymity to any source at the LAT who'd leak a copy of the tape. It wouldn't even have to be the whole thing, just enough to be totally damning.
Posted by: Dave J at November 02, 2008 07:39 AM (qsGH+)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 07:40 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: Fish at November 02, 2008 07:40 AM (6Rihj)
Fixed for you.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 07:40 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:41 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:41 AM (004wR)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:41 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 07:42 AM (/YM8H)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:42 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:43 AM (yCbBv)
.....whom no doubt live within' about a twenty mile radius of downtown Frisco.
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:43 AM (+FzLa)
BTW, Bill Ayers writing speeches for Obama. (Or Obama plagiarizing Ayers in speeches.) Ghost of a Flea with links to others following this now too (like LGF).
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2008 07:43 AM (GGy7k)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 07:44 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:44 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2008 07:45 AM (GGy7k)
Posted by: Tushar at November 02, 2008 07:45 AM (PTWes)
Their delusion is premised on a kernel of truth: the common misconception that Bush is a conservative or liked by conservatives. Jeb should've been the brother to run for the White House: GWB tainted the GOP brand with "compassionate conservative" big-government bullshit.
Posted by: Dave J at November 02, 2008 07:45 AM (qsGH+)
Posted by: Nice Deb at November 02, 2008 07:46 AM (Yccrl)
<snip>
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
Um, does he even realize what he's talking about here?
An action that will on the one hand bankrupt companies, and on the other generate billions of dollars. I'm just a simple country person, but those seem like two lines that don't intersect.
So, when the coal-fired plants are taxed out of existence and we lose 40% of our baseload power and have to lower the amount of electricity being put into the system, will it be racist to still refer to those conditions as 'brownouts'?
Posted by: Darren at November 02, 2008 07:47 AM (YhsMj)
Posted by: Nice Deb at November 02, 2008 07:47 AM (Yccrl)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 07:47 AM (bMJ2V)
Jesus Christo - I'm orgasmic, it's the flaming skull!
Posted by: Fish at November 02, 2008 07:47 AM (6Rihj)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:47 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Diderot's dog at November 02, 2008 07:48 AM (nrD02)
Posted by: buddy at November 02, 2008 07:49 AM (JqTIu)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:50 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Diderot's dog at November 02, 2008 07:50 AM (nrD02)
Posted by: MR F at November 02, 2008 07:50 AM (qrzXj)
Posted by: cbharmon at November 02, 2008 07:50 AM (+7CmB)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 07:50 AM (bMJ2V)
Posted by: Fish at November 02, 2008 07:51 AM (6Rihj)
Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2008 07:52 AM (2fJpq)
you did ok deb, it's just that it should be in the middle
now to drudge: listen mother fucker, this is a red headline screaming that stupid red alert light thingy of yours, so fucker put this up red or fucking move out of the way as we try to save this country from a fucking socialist
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:52 AM (004wR)
The only thing to complete this day beyond the flaming skull is more cowbell!
Let it ring!
join the rays republic as we defend our al championship next baseballseason,and you'll get your cowbell ;-)
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 07:53 AM (004wR)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 07:53 AM (yCbBv)
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Posted by: NM Hick at November 02, 2008 07:53 AM (STXJ7)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:53 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: ladylawyer at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (lXdU5)
<div style="center">
IMAGE CODE AS ABOVE
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It's off kilter, but I love it.
Now go to church and pray with your precious loved ones.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (hawOV)
Obama may win, but it sure as fuck isnt going to be a landslide. I speak as a resident of swingin' PA. Obamas got the welfare mommys and the sofuckingrichwedonthavetoworryaboutmoney white folk. THats it.
I suspect the same applies in MO, NC, VA, OH, and FL
It'll be w/in the MOE at best for the messiahcunt
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (/YM8H)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Diderot's dog at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (nrD02)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:54 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 07:55 AM (hawOV)
Carbon rocks - gotta love 'em. 12,000 BTU / lb. Waaaaarrrrm.
Posted by: Jimmy at November 02, 2008 07:55 AM (gJFp6)
now to drudge: listen mother fucker, this is a red headline screaming that stupid red alert light thingy of yours, so fucker put this up red or fucking move out of the way as we try to save this country from a fucking socialist
I second that statement.
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 07:55 AM (2Snaq)
My own skull burst into flame when I heard him talking about cap-and-trade "markets" being "imposed".
Whaa......? the gummint LEGISLATES a mandatory system into existence, and then calls it a "market"???
This guy's just plain nuts.
As for all the $$ this system will generate: it's like states raising cigarette taxes to discourage smoking, and then wondering why the total take from cigarette taxes goes way down, causing them to seek other taxes to compensate for the revenue losses.
No, wait! The states get a better idea! They just raise the cigarette taxes some more!!
We are truly moving to become a pure kakistocracy.
Posted by: fulldroolcup at November 02, 2008 07:57 AM (aLDzD)
will it be racist to still refer to those conditions as 'brownouts'?
No. Those will be called Power Augmentations, Nice Deb.
And for blog monitors, dog shit cleanup in Aisle 82.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2008 07:57 AM (GGy7k)
Check IDB/TIPP, Mason Dixon, Rasmussen and GWU Battleground
I suspect they are the ones who havent been taint reamed by the Dems in this cycle
Except for Rasmussen- they all have Obama up by about 4, with LESS than 50% of the vote, and close to 9% still undecided
If they are right- Obama could still go down in a flaming heap of Jeremiah Wright black panther shit
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (/YM8H)
Posted by: Dave J at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (qsGH+)
Nor, apparently, the Laffer Curve.
Posted by: arbuthnot at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (Tw7Fm)
Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (Ihk12)
Posted by: torabora at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (2fJpq)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 07:58 AM (bMJ2V)
This NakedEmperorNews dude or dudette is one bad-ass mofo.
I hope you people calling PA are using this in your script.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 02, 2008 07:59 AM (8lxo4)
Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 02, 2008 07:59 AM (e2mBS)
#77, Darren
I caught that too, but felt immediately that I knew where he was coming from.
It's the billions that they will spend in fines which will bankrupt them.
Hence, the government itself will bankrupt them.
Pathetic
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 08:00 AM (UWMAk)
didog, your a buffoon.
Senator Government is going down down down baby.
You can deny all you want.
PA is going red. Yes blood red. I am from PA and the feeling on the ground is overwhelming. Obama scares the shite out of traditional value voters. He infuriate's Republicans. And he disgusts moderate dems( like I myself was until june) I am talking lifelong dems.
I think you have it backwards buddy. Mac is going to bag a number of dems not seen since Reagan. He is also going to bag NH,MN, and Wisconsin.
Game Over. Sarah Palin will rebuild and reignite the GOP brand and McCain will bring this nation Reform.Peace.Prosperity.
Posted by: PPP at November 02, 2008 08:00 AM (zzms8)
Posted by: Diderot's dog at November 02, 2008 08:00 AM (nrD02)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 08:00 AM (UWMAk)
Thanks, but not this time. It's actually understandable, coherent, and uses paragraph breaks.
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 08:01 AM (bMJ2V)
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 08:02 AM (004wR)
Posted by: Noel at November 02, 2008 08:02 AM (4gHqM)
Posted by: tsj017 at November 02, 2008 08:02 AM (TV9JE)
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 08:03 AM (yQXE2)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 08:04 AM (yCbBv)
I de-bookmarked The Corner. Squish, squish goes NRO as of late. You know where I go for my conservative pick-me-up nowadays? Hillbuzz. A site run by DEMOCRATS. It's sad.
Of course, for my Saturday night specials and out-of-state liquor licenses, I come here.
Posted by: Filly at November 02, 2008 08:04 AM (VLsit)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:04 AM (2Snaq)
Naw, the whole ass.
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:06 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Cedric at November 02, 2008 08:07 AM (ntSJp)
Posted by: Ron. at November 02, 2008 08:08 AM (qEDHk)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 02, 2008 08:09 AM (8lxo4)
Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 02, 2008 08:09 AM (5r0Tz)
What's the deal with Instapundit today?
I wanted to see if he'd be running the story, and I can't connect to his site. Is it just me?
Posted by: FireHorse at November 02, 2008 08:10 AM (+dm+A)
This is a surprise in what way? During one of the primary debates Obama admitted that he had "exchang[ed] ideas on a regular basis" with Ayers. Perhaps those ideological discussions are the basis for Obama's current policy prescriptions.
Posted by: arbuthnot at November 02, 2008 08:10 AM (Tw7Fm)
McCain's a hoot!
He's live on Fox right now and is talking about pork, "We won't spend $xx studying the DNA of bears in Montana. I don't know whether it's a criminal or paternity issue" but we won't do it.
LMAO
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 08:12 AM (UWMAk)
Posted by: watchdog at November 02, 2008 08:12 AM (yCbBv)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 08:12 AM (bMJ2V)
Yes. He's an asshole. Click here.*
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:13 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:14 AM (2Snaq)
"What's the deal with Instapundit today?
I wanted to see if he'd be running the story, and I can't connect to his site. Is it just me?"
Glenn reynolds had the story up earlier, but it's almost like the whole world just logged on and decided to go to the conservative blogosphere or a massive wave of DOS attacks just got launched, I thought it was just me.
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:14 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Tee866 at November 02, 2008 08:15 AM (HNlVq)
Cedric, we're in a political war here. Obama has committed the egregious error of using very "impolitic" language.
We need to slam him against the wall for it.
Obama delenda est.
Oh and btw: McCain favors "clean coal". Obama favors NO coal.
big diff, conceptually and politically.
Posted by: fulldroolcup at November 02, 2008 08:15 AM (aLDzD)
I'm on Instapundit right now with Firefox; no problems. And he has the Coal/carbon story linked.
Posted by: arbuthnot at November 02, 2008 08:15 AM (Tw7Fm)
MAV/CUDA in 08!
Fuck the socialists!
Posted by: Eeyore's Swinging Sack at November 02, 2008 08:16 AM (VYEVW)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 08:16 AM (QwWKI)
OregonMuse, it'll be a JavaScript widget or code, not HTML. Here's what you can do about that.
You got the award winning NoScript internet security extension enabled? If not, install it.
If you don't want to block JavaScript for all websites, fine. Don't. But you can keep NoScript's blocking off and just add Instapundit as an "Untrusted" site. That will block all script, but not HTML. It'll load fast.
If you feel like it, you can selectively enable different scripts on that page using NoScript until you've got them all on but the troublesome one. But that's probably unnecessary just to read the site.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:18 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:18 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: seyont at November 02, 2008 08:18 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:19 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 02, 2008 12:23 PM (M6ddU)
fuck off. can't you at least come up with something original?
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 08:21 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: TomV at November 02, 2008 08:22 AM (/PwQS)
With time of the essence, think of a campaign insider and get it to them.
I sent it to Mary Matalin as well as to ROP of Va.
When this video was discovered we each set out to let someone else know about it and, with time of the essence, you were the first person who came to mind.
As I type this, Sen. McCain is touting clean coal. I wish he knew now what Obama's plan entails.
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 08:24 AM (UWMAk)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:25 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:25 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 08:26 AM (UWMAk)
Posted by: Reiver at November 02, 2008 08:27 AM (oliA4)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 08:28 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 08:28 AM (qGn4/)
How the fuck are you going to extract "billions of dollars" from a "bankrupt" industry?
Michelle Obama was right. Barack hasn't done anything yet. He hasn't passed economics yet, for example.
Posted by: Bubba at November 02, 2008 08:28 AM (Oi0e7)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:28 AM (+FzLa)
Is someone able to save the vid in some manner? It just might disappear.
Spypeach downloaded it.
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:28 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 08:29 AM (qGn4/)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 01:16 PM (QwWKI)
thanks!
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 08:31 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:34 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 08:35 AM (qGn4/)
Then if he's elected, how is that not an opportunity? And Pelosi, Reid, et al have demonstrated their political acumen in what way?
Even pessimists should be cautiously optimistic.
Posted by: arbuthnot at November 02, 2008 08:36 AM (Tw7Fm)
What Mac and Sarah need to do is blast this, and then tie it to every other sector of the economy so people understand that this isn't just about coal... it's about Obama's entire attitude towards industry.
St. Nick Day came on November 2 this year (fellow German Catholic morons, holla!)
Posted by: Filly at November 02, 2008 08:36 AM (VLsit)
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:37 AM (+FzLa)
Here's more websites that could help, find a sympathetic journalist and send him the links. Or they may have a tipline.
I sent one to; Jonathan Riskind at the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch at; jriskind@dispatch.com
In Pittsburgh;
http://www.post-gazette.com/
http://www.triblive.com/
http://www.kdkaradio.com/
The Campaign Spot blog at NRO e-mail- jiminturkey@gmail.com
The Corner blog at NRO e-mail- corner@nationalreview.com
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 08:39 AM (qGn4/)
Posted by: mr f at November 02, 2008 08:39 AM (qrzXj)
Posted by: ladylawyer at November 02, 2008 08:40 AM (lXdU5)
Posted by: politicalmuse at November 02, 2008 08:43 AM (kLKnf)
Meanwhile, Malor's running a football story at the head of the blog.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:43 AM (hawOV)
Gabe would have probably got to it, but now is the best time. You rock.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:48 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: yomomma at November 02, 2008 08:48 AM (FnSBX)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 02, 2008 08:48 AM (bMJ2V)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:48 AM (2Snaq)
Yea, Ace needs to get the fuck out of bed and right his goddamned ship.
Meanwhile Newsbusters just fumbled the fuckin' ball on the 1 yard line, either that or Axelrod and co. just launched a major DOS attack on the conservative blogosphere, I'll go with both.
Posted by: Blazer at November 02, 2008 08:49 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 08:49 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:49 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Sean at November 02, 2008 08:50 AM (vZzYJ)
BTW, this wouldn't just bankrupt new coal plants. Existing coal plants would be subject to it as well.
This is not just bad for power plants.
Ever tried to turn iron into steel without burning some coal? And by 'some' I mean 'giant heaping gobs.'
Posted by: ThomasD at November 02, 2008 08:52 AM (4VdPN)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 08:53 AM (hawOV)
I can convert the video to any format needed, just let me know.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 08:54 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 08:54 AM (2Snaq)
His word. Not mine.
Posted by: Editor at November 02, 2008 08:56 AM (p4YSL)
Oh, it gets worse for Barry. In the same interview about bankrupting Coal plants:
"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad."
See: Obama: Ill make energy prices skyrocket at Hotair
(Sorry I'm not going through the tinyurl grief anymore)
Posted by: TheBigOldDog at November 02, 2008 08:57 AM (0oAW0)
Posted by: Noel at November 02, 2008 08:57 AM (4gHqM)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 08:58 AM (qGn4/)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 09:00 AM (UWMAk)
http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=5404
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 09:01 AM (qGn4/)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:01 AM (hawOV)
I have received 3 GOTV calls today, one rep. two dem.
The dems were not to happy when I told them they could not count on my vote and to have a nice day.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 09:02 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 02, 2008 09:02 AM (Ihk12)
Posted by: cbharmon at November 02, 2008 09:02 AM (+7CmB)
Posted by: IC at November 02, 2008 09:03 AM (P32hP)
Posted by: oldfart at November 02, 2008 09:03 AM (L8y/X)
Posted by: nikkolai at November 02, 2008 09:03 AM (G8d+5)
Betavision, please, stat!
-- Obama "Run Out the Clock"* Troll Division* As distinct from the usual Obama "Lying" and "Demoralizing" Troll Divisions
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:04 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 09:04 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:04 AM (2Snaq)
Crap.
Posted by: Filly at November 02, 2008 09:05 AM (VLsit)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 09:05 AM (QwWKI)
It's Sunday.
That's why I said the key with this is to keep that post front and center with the flaming skull and get the whole conservative blogosphere to light up today... so the McCain camp, RNC, state campaigns, and 527s see the legs this has and cut ads... which must run no later than Monday morning.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:06 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Josey the Hygienist at November 02, 2008 09:06 AM (jvfVt)
Wow. A plan to bankrupt and destroy an entire industry.
I didn't know about this until now.
That, kiddies, is the very definition of social/economic engineering.
IMO, this is the single most disturbingly shocking of Obama's plans.
Do Obama voters really want this? Do they find merit in it? Do they really think that it's a good and acceptable idea to undertake to destroy a legitimate and lawful industry--one that could fulfill our energy needs or at the very least tide us over until other energy sources are available? An industry which is foundational to the economy and economic well-being and viability of entire regions of our country?
Has anyone polled pro-Obama voters to ask them what they think of this plan?
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at November 02, 2008 09:06 AM (k0t80)
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 09:07 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: Sean at November 02, 2008 09:07 AM (vZzYJ)
Posted by: Clovis27 at November 02, 2008 09:07 AM (DwDUz)
Just say'n. Make sure when you're spreading this around don't forget the retirees especially since they are more likely to actually go vote.
Posted by: Fuloydo at November 02, 2008 09:08 AM (S7Z5Z)
That's not going to help Michelle Obama's children extended family members left to fend for themselves.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:08 AM (hawOV)
You are damn right.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:09 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: ArrMatey at November 02, 2008 09:10 AM (35LYA)
Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 02, 2008 09:10 AM (Ihk12)
Posted by: McPalin08 at November 02, 2008 09:14 AM (Mzz/i)
In addition to not knowing shit about the Constitution, now The Vapid One© tells us he doesn't understand a free capitalist market. He actually wants to eliminate entire sectors of energy production. He is a real danger to our country.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 02, 2008 09:15 AM (ZGhSv)
Fundamental, no. Maybe we need a front page post about that too.
However, for the swing states in a year where the economy is the issue and no one really doubts that Obama is anti-gun anyway (unlike Clinton, he doesn't even pretend he's ever held one), the PA coal story is the swing-state closer par excellence.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:16 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:17 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:18 AM (hawOV)
CRAP, I just went outside and someone stole our McCain sign. Assholes.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 09:18 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: buddy at November 02, 2008 09:18 AM (JqTIu)
Don't McCain's people have Google?! Jeez!!
I hope the battleground states see this in an ad.
Posted by: PJ at November 02, 2008 09:19 AM (GVdvM)
I'm not so sure why pollsters see a Dem/Rep breakdown that much different from 2006. The War probably motivated more independent and center-right people to vote D than Obama will, no? Add in the PUMA betrayal thing, and I think you have independents, PUMAs, and moderate republicans, all more likely to vote for McCain-Palin than they would for even a moderate Dem congressman; what am I missing here?
Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 02, 2008 09:20 AM (Ihk12)
Perhaps cuz McCain is all about cap n trade, too. Just not to this extent.
Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 09:20 AM (ddGv/)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:21 AM (hawOV)
http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=5404
Going by that calculations I threw in Excel, it demonstrates that the Undecided are breaking towards McCain's direction. Because November 1 and November 2, the undecided stood at 8.7% while McCain gained 1.2% and Obama lost that same amount. The day before, both lost less than half a point which mostly means nothing. Now going by the changes since October 13 in Undecided, they've constantly fluctuated but end up adding to McCain's point. What I did was I took both the sum of Obama and McCain points which added up to 91.3% giving Obama 51.1% of that and McCain 48.4% of that amount who are definitly voting for those candidates.
I know I'm going somewhere with this but 1.9% of that broke for McCain while the same exact amount broke for Obama of the undecided so they're even. With Obama having a bigger margin in the "definitely voting" category, Mac is having a better effect swinging undecided his way which could give him the election.
Maybe I'm just an idiot.
Posted by: Kaitian at November 02, 2008 09:22 AM (d14cR)
then, you can have obama propose some sort of tax credit for people who make less than XXX/year to compensate them for the higher energy bills - thus further guaranteeing their vote to the democrat party. And punishing everyone else.
The goal, as always is to make sure 51% of people get more money from government, than they pay in. If you can do this, you cannot lose elections.
Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 09:22 AM (ddGv/)
Posted by: McPalin08 at November 02, 2008 09:24 AM (Mzz/i)
The dems were not to happy when I told them they could not count on my vote and to have a nice day
Dude! You are doing it wrong. Think - every minute they spend on the phone with you is one minute less they spend talking to some squishy undecided voter.
You are supposed to pretend to be that squishy undecided voter and ask alot of easy questions that keep them talking for as long as possible.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 02, 2008 09:24 AM (4VdPN)
Posted by: ArrMatey at November 02, 2008 02:10 PM (35LYA)
Say what?
Posted by: Kaitian at November 02, 2008 09:24 AM (d14cR)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 09:25 AM (P3ErD)
TAKE ACTION!! RIGHT NOW!
Start posting this video on sites in the coal based states, Montana, Illinois, Wyoming, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Colorado, Texas...
Search all kinds of sites, mommy sites, restaurant blogs, newspapers online, grocery stores...anything and everything!! Get out of the echo and deliver this message to the people! States like WV know what happens when a plant closes! They won't want more of the same.
You can make a difference TODAY! I am going right now to hunt for WV sites. GO!!! (I sound dramatic, but it can make a difference!)
Posted by: sarainitaly at November 02, 2008 09:25 AM (vi8Ap)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 09:26 AM (qGn4/)
Be polite and respectful when you post. Let Obama do his own talking.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:27 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 02:17 PM (2Snaq)
I contacted them. Not a union member, but I ran some searches and put down info for here in VA. "Mine Safety and Health Administration" for Organization, and the proper district (5) for VA. Had not the slightest clue what to put for Local, so I think I just entered "4." Heh
It went through.
Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 09:28 AM (Hjij/)
Posted by: robtron12 at November 02, 2008 09:28 AM (QbJI7)
Posted by: HondaV65 at November 02, 2008 09:30 AM (ezXRS)
The United Mine Workers of America are all in for Obama.
Ironic, isn't it.
Perhaps someone should juxtapose the vid at their website with the new audio above.
Sure, Obama will support unions with their open balloting b.s., but what good is it to represent a dying industry?
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 09:30 AM (UWMAk)
I have felt like I'm living in an Ayn Rand novel lately.
Posted by: lorien1973 at November 02, 2008 09:31 AM (ddGv/)
Gosh darnit! Why do I have to be in love with the woman of my dreams? The one I've always wanted.
If it wasn't for that fortunate fact, I'm sure there's many wondrous ladies out there.
Great job!
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:31 AM (hawOV)
#229 -- Look to the headlines on the left. It's the one that starts with "I, I, I, I". I am exhausted from three days of trying to push that story.
Posted by: ArrMatey at November 02, 2008 09:32 AM (35LYA)
Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 02:28 PM (Hjij/)
Thanks for the idea. I will try that as well!!
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:33 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:33 AM (hawOV)
Rebecca and Ginger, I tried for almost a half hour to post their website and video and Ace's comments section has been freaking the hell out. Finally, I got in the comment above.
Watching the video, it's really sad, because the old fella on the vid VERY CLEARLY has no damned idea what he's talking about but has worked his ass off in the mines for so long that coal issues are the only thing he has to hang a hat on.
I mean...c'mon?! Obama grew up like they did?!
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 09:34 AM (UWMAk)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 09:35 AM (UWMAk)
BugMeNot.com is a good site for logins/passwords if you are putting this on various sites where you don't want to waste 10 minutes registering.
I am Joe the Spammer.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 02, 2008 09:35 AM (8lxo4)
Posted by: Harry Callahan at November 02, 2008 09:36 AM (Gd85U)
Woohoo - Texas Tech won and McCain is closing fast - thanks for the IBD numbers. Given over-weighted dem polls I would say his lead is greater in below polls. But at least they shows him up.
Mason Dixon
NC 49-46 McCain
OH 47-45 McCain
MO 47-46 McCain
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 09:37 AM (yQXE2)
Oooh, the UMWA site has a map with a guide to Districts. I was wrong on the 5 for VA thing, apparently it's 17. Maybe 5 was local?
From their site:
District 2 (PA, NY, Eastern Canada)
113 Roberts Rd. Suite B
Grindstone, PA 15442
724-785-8692
ryantko@umwa.org
District 12 (IL, IN, Western KY, MO, IA, KS, OK, AR, LA, TX)
3695 South Sixth St.
Springfield, IL 62703
217-529-8301
umwa12@springnet1.com
District 17 (Southern WV, Eastern KY, VA, TN)
1300 Kanawha Blvd. E.
Charleston, WV 25301
304-346-0341
jcarter@umwa.org
District 20 (AL, FL, GA, MS)
275 Forest Rd. Suite 100
Hueytown, AL 35023
205-744-9853
umwadistrict20@bellsouth.net
District 22 (Western U.S.)
525 East 100th South
Price, UT 84501
435-637-2037/2066
umwadistrict22@emerytelcom.net
District 31 (Northern WV, OH)
310 Gaston Ave.
Fairmont, WV 26554
304-363-7500
reddy@umwa.org
Canada
33 Gallant St
Glace Bay, NS, Canada B1A1T2
902-849-8692
umwa@ns.sympatico.ca
Region I
113 Roberts Rd., Suite B
Grindstone, PA 15442
724-785-8693
umwaregion1@verizon.net
Region II
1300 Kanawha Blvd. East
Charleston, WV 25301
304-343-0259
region2@umwa.org
Region III
1530 North Main
Benton, IL 62812
616-439-6373
janumwa@neondsl.com
Region IV
6525 West 44th Ave.
Wheat Ridge, CO 80033
303-425-7110
Region4@umwa.org
Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 09:41 AM (Hjij/)
the relevant stuff is 25-29 min mark.
Posted by: A.G. at November 02, 2008 09:41 AM (JoIvi)
MORONS who understand computers:
please download this video before it disappears:
it's the original from the SFGate website
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 09:42 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: sarainitaly at November 02, 2008 09:42 AM (vi8Ap)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 09:43 AM (qGn4/)
Damnit. I want to contact the United Mine Workers of America, but I have to be a union member to contact them.
No, you can put in your name/address info (as much and as accurately as you like, as long as you fill in the * items), and then put "private" into the union info fields.
I did that, and the message went through.
Posted by: fulldroolcup at November 02, 2008 09:43 AM (aLDzD)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:45 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Major Graham at November 02, 2008 02:43 PM (qGn4/)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:45 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 09:46 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:47 AM (2Snaq)
You know, I've never understood liberals and how they think, I just can't get my head around it. But you would think that the blue dog democrats would not want to see this Obamanation happen to their country. Their support for Obama is something I will never understand, do you think they believe him, or maybe they just think they can control him? I don't get it.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 09:50 AM (QwWKI)
Forget the UMWA - their leadership is entirely in the tank for Obamessiah. They have radio ads in VA endorsing Obama and will ignore/delete anything you send them.
They need to be bypassed - this info needs to go directly to the rank and file by any means possible.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 02, 2008 09:50 AM (4VdPN)
We're so screwed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2008 09:50 AM (0+Ggj)
Posted by: Ann at November 02, 2008 09:50 AM (c3H+i)
"Forget the UMWA - their leadership is entirely in the tank for Obamessiah. They have radio ads in VA endorsing Obama and will ignore/delete anything you send them.
"They need to be bypassed - this info needs to go directly to the rank and file by any means possible."
I concur.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 09:51 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: crowsting123 at November 02, 2008 09:54 AM (Y99QL)
My sister asked me whether I would vote and who I would vote for, and of course the first answer is yes, it is my duty which I have never shirked, and the other is quite obvious for those that know me. I have no recommendations for you as friends and family but for you to vote your conscience. On the other hand, I do offer my reasons for my choice.
At the age of 40, Obama has had ghost-written two biographies of his life and nothing else (they are ghostwritten, as is the custom for politicians and also the telltale incidence of alien prose and experience for instance, the precise seamanship metaphors for a man of no nautical expertise)! Even among senators, the egotism of that fact is astounding. But even so, in the direction of those works, Obama describes a life as self-centered as a heroine addict's self-circumscribed world he is the kind of man who sees a beguiling vision, and once so intoxicated, cannot be swayed by reason nor facts and writes limply.
Nor is he eloquent. This is his most championed virtue, and that alone is a damning indictment of the state of American oratory, not a palm for his skill. His speech is numbing, his statements ridiculous, his delivery, fine. And while the greatest orator of all, Demosthenes, said the first three attainments of his art were, "Delivery, delivery, delivery," the other parts are invention, arrangement, expression and memory, in which Obama's critical failings are in vapid expression ("Yes, we can!") and warmed-over invention ("Hope!" and "Change!").
Further, Cicero states that there are three styles the plain, the ornamented, and the vigorous and that no eloquent speaker can be limited to a single style, for such an orator would be consequently limited in his subjects. By way of proof, Cicero considers the idiocy of using vigorous language to discuss a civic ordnance such as stillicide (damage accrued to one property by runoff of water from another), or the cruelty to a client on trial for his life by using unserious poetry in his defense, or the barbarism of plain speech when recounting the triumphs of his own people, the Romans.
Obama has a single style, a mewling litany long soaked in the rhythms of an odious and racist Black Nationalist church, and can speak neither a truth nor a lie plainly. He is not eloquent. To compare his speeches with even second-rank orators of the past is to weep for our fallen culture today. He peddles rhythms and purple prose, and the fools adore him.
Even if he were a great and substantial speaker and an engaging writer, even if he were not vain enough to attempt two [auto-] biographies nor encourage his blasphemous political deification, he is a disastrous philosopher and outright ignoramus of history. He is an ideologue, seduced by a dream that is not how the world works and never has, and no amount of suffering around him will wake him to the lie. Over and again, from the Berlin Wall to the Cuba Missile Crisis, he takes away precisely the opposite lesson of history and should be self-evident from mere living: that words supercede action, and men who would butcher the innocent can be trusted at their word.
This is madness. There is the Tao, the way of the world, and then there are many fictions of the way the world should work. I can pick up any book on my shelf from authors as diverse as T'ai Kung a wiseman of Ch'in (1100BC) who knew that the best government taxes lightly, for instance, among other things to Aristotle who forewarned against all the faults of fascistic socialism by studying states in embryo, and casually refute the very pillars of Obama's worldview. After 2500 years, one would think that a copy of Aristotle's Politics would be available at Obama's library, but, alas, Obama is not an educated man, but a man whose narrow reading has telescoped his worldview away from very inconvenient facts. The fool's path embraces all men, from the least cunning to those of quick but vacant intelligence.
Obama also embraces the most vile characters conceivable: Bill Ayers, his boss and colleague at the (failed) Annenberg Project, and a communist murderer and terrorist; Raishid Khalidi, an Obama dinner guest and a PLO spokesman who wrote lovingly on the mastermind of the Munich terrorists who butchered Israeli Olympic athletes; and the Reverend Wright, Obama's disgusting preacher of decades, who among other greatest hits called Italians 'Garlic noses' and cheered the 9/11 attacks. It is to our country's unending shame when we allied out of necessity with Stalin and others, but Obama in his personal life attaches himself to these monsters. What we were obliged to do in the past, this man will do with relish, and he will certainly prove once again that there are worse things than war; there can always be a scalding peace leading inevitably again to an even more terrible war.
Obama as a writer is as serious as Paris Hilton. As a statesman, as august as a superintendent of schools. As a thinker, his doctrine is founded on Will to change what will not yield, and so would make Nietsche proud and his country ruined. I've never seen a candidate more unserious, and I shall not join the fools' applause to a such a mediocre man. We do not elect presidents by acclaim in this country, and I hope that you will not pass on this petty tyrant's crown when it comes next to your hands.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 02, 2008 09:55 AM (iTDJo)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2008 02:50 PM (0+Ggj)
no we aren't. you have to stop dwelling, and do something. get this video out there! i am posting in WV blogs.
Posted by: sarainitaly at November 02, 2008 09:56 AM (vi8Ap)
Posted by: DaveS at November 02, 2008 09:57 AM (pGdsh)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 09:59 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: Dave in PB at November 02, 2008 10:02 AM (CTSya)
Posted by: The Obvious at November 02, 2008 10:09 AM (1g+FW)
Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 10:09 AM (yQXE2)
This is all too confusing for a guy like me. I need something like "Obama will take my jimmy away and make me drive a homosexual electric car."
Something concrete.
OK?
Posted by: joe the plumber at November 02, 2008 10:11 AM (6/ufm)
Just do it!
Posted by: Melgar at November 02, 2008 10:12 AM (A09kZ)
I sent this to my dad, but don't use it though, you'll just piss people off...
Hi,
I'll keep this as brief as I can. You won't like it much.
Don't worry, that means you're normal.
I'm going to link to a conservative news source because I like their take on things, but you might possibly if you really look hard enough find something about this in the unbiased mainstream media. Good luck.
In any case, the votes and legislation are a matter of public record. You can look for it at the Illinois Senate and U.S. Congressional websites if you doubt it. I can't imagine why you would.
The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was signed into law by President Bush. The U.S. House of Representatives has 435 members. Only 15 opposed it (hard left zealots in my humble opinion). It passed the U.S. Senate unanimously by voice vote.
It protects babies who survive abortion by requiring medical treatment. Barack Obama opposes this. Mind you, Barack Obama is the person who said with cameras rolling that if his daughters made a mistake and got pregnant, "I don't want them to be punished with a baby."
Moving forward.
During the same year, 2002, the Induced Infant Liability Act was before the Illinois Senate. It is substantially similar to the federal bill. Same provisions. Must protect babies who survive abortion. These aren't babies in the womb. They're not even in the vagina as per partial birth abortion (where they are killed, often full term).
They're in a hospital or abortion clinic somewhere breathing air.
Crying, I assume.
Barack Obama voted "present" against this bill once and then voted "no". One of the versions he voted against was identical to the federal bill, which passed later in the year, that has provisions so widely supported almost all the U.S. House and Senate voted for it.
Barack Obama didn't want the abortionist to have to face the burden of bringing in another medical professional to oversee his or her botched work and provide assistance to the (damnit! I was going to write, "unborn child". Scratch that. Born child!) baby. He thought this is unfair in some way to the mother's original decision to abort the baby as if that's the relevant thing at this point when the child is crying, breathing air, and trying to live.
Please read this one article:
http://tinyurl.com/5cp9jn
And watch this one video* (not graphic):
http://tinyurl.com/5p8e9x
You may not understand Sarah Palin's appeal when compared to Barack Obama. But she has it nonetheless. Some of us value innocent life. We oppose abortion in the way that slavery was opposed in the 1840s and for almost the exact same reason: It's a violation of rights of the person. Indeed, it involves the definition of a person. And why is a baby breathing air in an abortion clinic or hospital not a person?
I'll leave it alone for now and I hope you have a good day.
Love,
Christoph
* The video has the added bonus of showing Fox News giving, well -- "Fair and Balanced" coverage. The same type of coverage some people think they're getting from much of the media, who, by strange coincidence according to studies, vote Democratic by something like a 90% margin.
---
My friends, quoting John McCain when talking about people who may not necessarily be his friends, some have wondered why I care who wins your election. I have many motivators, but the above is my prime one.
It's just like many of you who feel sickened by China's one child policy. If you could do something to stop it, would you? Would you at least like to try to help in some small way even if it mightn't work?
Same with me, and in this case about infanticide in addition to abortion.
I look at myself similar to the Canadian anti-slavery activists while your country still had slavery. (The analogy isn't perfect, not least of which because we also have abortion presently, which I oppose.)
Or the ones from Britain, even the great legislator William Wilberforce.
Yes, they were from different lands, but their efforts reached far and wide and had impact beyond their lands. For the good of humanity. Like your countrymen and women have had impact beyond your lands... you must humbly admit.
I'm not perfect. Far from it. But I oppose the barbaric acts of harming innocent children. Since Barack Obama wants to sign the so called Freedom of Choice Act as his first priority according to his words, can you see why I would want to, emotionally, prevent him from harming innocent children even if they are in your country?
And your country's political trends directly rub off on mine.
I hope you'll forgive me for explaining myself here, unbidden, and for my motivation, and my efforts.
With that, I return you to your regularly scheduled programming: Exposing Barack Obama's disastrous attempt to destroy your coal and related industries!
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 10:14 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Fresh Air at November 02, 2008 10:21 AM (SXkkC)
I sent it to the pr department at Peabody Energy. Headquarters? St. Louis
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 10:22 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 10:23 AM (xyyHG)
This is all too confusing for a guy like me. I need something like "Obama will take my jimmy away and make me drive a homosexual electric car."
Something concrete.
OK?
Okay. Head over to Hot Air, with audio (from the same speech as this coal thing) where he says that under his plan, energy prices -will- skyrocket. His words.
That good enough?
IMO that's at least as if not more damaging than the coal bit. Both should get flaming skulls.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 10:25 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: War69DotCom at November 02, 2008 10:25 AM (rxX8B)
Thanks funky!
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 10:27 AM (2Snaq)
#266, DaveS
The billions they will pay in fines, which will subsequently bankrupt them, is what he's talking about.
He intends to take their every last dime and then put them on the streets.
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 10:29 AM (UWMAk)
"That good enough?
"IMO that's at least as if not more damaging than the coal bit. Both should get flaming skulls."
Two related flaming skulls, one above the other. I like it.
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 10:30 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 10:30 AM (UWMAk)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 10:34 AM (2Snaq)
We're so screwed.
McCain's policy are not as bad as you think. 401K will reduced under Obama whereas they will grow under McCain. Payroll taxes will go up under Obama whereas it'll stay the same under McCain. Seriously, we're not as screwed as you think under McCain.
Posted by: Kaitian at November 02, 2008 10:35 AM (d14cR)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 10:39 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 10:41 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 10:42 AM (QwWKI)
No. I doubt he has word yet and will probably need to vet the story before using it so quickly.
I did send the link to WOLF, Fox t.v. in Scranton.
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 10:44 AM (UWMAk)
What kind of vetting is required when we have audio?
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 10:47 AM (3FVXC)
I got tickets to go see McCain here in NV tomorrow. It's gonna be crazy, but I think we'll go.
Posted by: funky chicken at November 02, 2008 10:48 AM (xyyHG)
Posted by: robtr at November 02, 2008 10:48 AM (C6ME0)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 10:50 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: War69DotCom at November 02, 2008 10:50 AM (rxX8B)
So yeah, the campaign does care about it. I think right now it's a matter of flexibility, I sure hope the campaign can get it, digest it and put it to commercial in the markets that matter.
Posted by: Oedipus at November 02, 2008 10:50 AM (5Djkl)
#284, the financial shows which air on Fox News each Saturday painted a frightening scenario of what will happen to the 401k savings under Obama.
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 10:52 AM (UWMAk)
That's worse than the coal bit.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 10:52 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: robtr at November 02, 2008 10:53 AM (C6ME0)
Posted by: robtr at November 02, 2008 03:48 PM (C6ME0)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 10:57 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 10:58 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Vinnie at November 02, 2008 11:00 AM (idf83)
Posted by: robtr at November 02, 2008 11:00 AM (C6ME0)
Wouldn't it be great if McCain held a news conference and ran the audio, then talked about how the media has let the people down by not reporting on this earlier. I can dream can't I.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 11:01 AM (QwWKI)
Seriously, forget the media, where the fuck was Oppo. Research?
Unreal!
Posted by: aquaviva at November 02, 2008 11:02 AM (w19Us)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 11:05 AM (i73Rf)
http://tinyurl.com/5m2xfh
Posted by: Ron. at November 02, 2008 11:06 AM (qEDHk)
Posted by: War69DotCom at November 02, 2008 11:09 AM (rxX8B)
Posted by: War69DotCom at November 02, 2008 11:14 AM (rxX8B)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 11:14 AM (i73Rf)
I went to a Sarah Palin Victory Rally last night in Raleigh, NC, and they were giving "Clean Coal" hats out to EVERYBODY up and down the mile-long line.
They gave out shirts at the one in Virginia a couple weeks ago. I'm wearing mine now. (Also pants, pervs.)
Posted by: Rebekah at November 02, 2008 11:16 AM (Hjij/)
I think my refresh button is going to break today.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 11:19 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 11:19 AM (2Snaq)
Posted by: War69DotCom at November 02, 2008 11:21 AM (rxX8B)
Palin starts talking about the tape 12 minutes into the speech.
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 11:21 AM (2Snaq)
Ginger do you have a link?
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 11:23 AM (QwWKI)
Palin's speech on obama wanting to bankrupt coal plants.
She starts talking about it at about 12 minutes in.
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 11:23 AM (2Snaq)
nevermind I got it.
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 11:24 AM (QwWKI)
"Gas prices are down- way down"
"Barack Obama said that his energy policy will make those gas prices skyrocket"
"Like 4.00 gas? UNder Obama- youll get it. Again."
Im John McCain, and I approve this message"
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 11:25 AM (/YM8H)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 11:25 AM (2Snaq)
"Gas prices are down- way down. Barack Obama said that his energy policy will make those gas prices skyrocket"
He didn't say it about gas prices - he said it about electricity prices.
Last thing we need is a misquote to allow the media to turn what could be an election changer into a "McCain lies about Obama" storm.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 11:29 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 11:29 AM (P3ErD)
Posted by: spypeach at November 02, 2008 11:30 AM (QwWKI)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 11:32 AM (i73Rf)
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 11:34 AM (UWMAk)
"..I'm thinking a patriot at the Chronicle leaked it."
Kidding, right? Yea, I suppose anything is possible but the problem is there's no one working there, or living in the whole city for that matter, who would sense the slightest controversy from the statement.
I'm surprised that this didn't come out sooner but it's not like the guy hasn't telegraphed all this over the last year or so. We can't drive SUV's, cool/heat our homes, eat as much as we want etc.
This could make a difference and I hope it does but it is absolutely pathetic that it's just now coming to light.
Suggestion for a flaming skull replacement. Break out the distributor cap image and accentuate with flames because if this guy is elected there'll be a lot of distributin' going on.
Posted by: Chris at November 02, 2008 11:34 AM (cqCak)
Hey, I just read a story that just might makeme think our journalists are necessarily the worst.
A 13 year old Indonesian girl was stoned to death in a stadium filled with 1,000 spectators because she claimed she was raped. The Indonesian press intially reported to Amnesty International that she was 23 years old "because of her physical appearance".
Perspective.
Posted by: jmflynny at November 02, 2008 11:41 AM (UWMAk)
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Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 11:53 AM (hawOV)
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Posted by: robtr at November 02, 2008 12:01 PM (C6ME0)
The new O'Bambi fuck the coal companies video has moved from #20 into the #2 position this date.
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Posted by: Rob at November 02, 2008 12:19 PM (yQXE2)
The commercial asks, "Think it doesn't effect you?"
No, but it may Affect me.
If anyone is going to promote this as the best thing since sliced bread, could the spelling be corrected first?
Posted by: Barbelle at November 02, 2008 12:21 PM (qF8q3)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 12:27 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 02, 2008 12:27 PM (i73Rf)
Posted by: Christoph at November 02, 2008 12:27 PM (hawOV)
This moveable type system is very very touchy!
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Does someone not want Hothead McFlame centered?
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Naked Emporer still out there working. Obama, 2007 - "Price Signals to Change Behavior". Got that?
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Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2008 01:44 PM (P3ErD)
Posted by: Ginger at November 02, 2008 01:53 PM (2Snaq)
Posted by: snookered at November 02, 2008 03:48 PM (h3PdB)
In the meantime we'll just live in our own shit in the freezing darkness here in The One's home district until his "investments" of our money pan out. That'll happen.
Posted by: CFB at November 02, 2008 03:48 PM (ubb4/)
Valiant, Dave Axelrod's penis is insufficiently polished. He needs you to add more saliva to it next time.
Hey 'turfers - to the extent McCain is for "cap & trade" it isn't meant for the express purpose of bankrupting an industry.
Posted by: David Ross at November 02, 2008 04:09 PM (/EzfB)
Um, because although he spoke favorably of it a long long time ago, he has completely backed off that position, and his currently energy policy proposal (which has been out since July) don't say a word about it?
http://tinyurl.com/6onygn
If it's good enough for Stanley Kurtz in this matter, it's good enough for me.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 02, 2008 04:13 PM (3FVXC)
Posted by: new at November 02, 2008 04:34 PM (MobLv)
Posted by: Stacy at November 02, 2008 04:40 PM (kxDxT)
(Meaning, fewer jobs).
My personal opinion is that Obama and co. wants to make almost all of us poor, and dependent on the government for survival. Litteraly for survival, as an average American could not afford food, housing or health care without the government, let alone a good education, computers, weapons, etc. In otherwords, totaltarian control of the population in just 4-8 years.
I think Obama would make even Lenin or Mao envious.
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Posted by: AZDREAMER at November 02, 2008 06:04 PM (HkdrQ)
the weak small headline on this whole situation on drudge has suddenly been given red font, still small, but red.
interesting.
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 06:09 PM (004wR)
this is a big deal, bye bye PA and OH
according to ground game, PUMAs, and leaked internal polling they've already been bye bye for barry. some people are making claims obama hopes to counter losing PA,OH, & FL by picking up IN, VA, NC, IA, & such states (i don't think he'll any of those)
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 06:13 PM (004wR)
the weak small headline on this whole situation on drudge has suddenly been given red font, still small, but red.
interesting.
the headlines are now up there instead of to the side, wonder if matt's finally getting his shit together
Posted by: YRM at November 02, 2008 06:16 PM (004wR)
My little local public utility of 10000 meters ate a $8 million crap sandwich though. Years later, the district is still teetering. Electricity is $.145/kwh.
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