1 I think Obama should return the money she donated. It doesn't look like she was eligible to contribute.

However... is this useful publicity at this stage in the campaign? Do you want to go after Obama's aunt politically?

As a matter of law, INS should do what they do. But do the GOP want to be tied to this.

2 About the only thing Obama could have done to make McCain look good on immigration by comparison.  Hello Pennsylvania!  The right leaning blogs should flog this to death!  Not to mention FOX!

3 They're not deporting her:  read the article.

In fact, Bush or McCain should make a show of granting her immigration amnesty after the election...  Because it's not like her nephew has actually done shit for her.

4

So now the question is, did this sitting US senator know that his relative was in the country illegally and did he do anything to assist her in entering or staying in this country illegally?

 

 

5

Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:50 AM (hawOV)

I agree.

6 So now the question is, did this sitting US senator know that his relative was in the country illegally

Of course he knew. His campaign told her to shut up and not talk to the press until after the election.

7 Maybe this is some stealth way for Barry to boost his share of the immigrant vote....

8 someone 3 - no kidding. What's the deal with this guy and his relatives?

9 You don't go after her.  You just point out that she is an illegal and that she has contributed to Obama's campaign,which is illegal as well.  You don't have to say any thing about her personally.

10 From the AP story:

"It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order."

Yeah, that is kind of interesting, isn't it?

11 Someone,
If Barry's relying on that he's desperate, and deranged as well.  The blue collar voters will crush him flat for this.

12 Hey Obama, the press likes each other more than you.  Bad idea kicking those reporters off the plane and shunning the stations that ask tough questions.

Too bad the press didn't realize the election is close due to your lying polls.  You are done in by your own pride and astroturfing.  What a perfect ending this is going to be.

13 Where did the info on the campaign contribution come from, by the way? I don't see that in the article.

14 Boy, Where is that reporter who mentioned that she most be a US citizen because you need to prove that your a citizen by submitting a passport in order to contribute money to the Obama's campaign;... Priceless.... Media bias.

This might bring up Obama's shady foreign online donation operation to light...

15 And as to her public housing and her status someone should be asking Barry about that.  Charlie?  Bryan?  Katie?  Bhueler?  Anyone?

16 she donated to him too

17 Anyone have a link to the donation?

18 must*

19 In a just world, the media would ask him the following questions, at least to start, and McCain could take the high road: 1) Did you know she was in the country illegally? If so, did you do anything to keep this fact under wraps? 2) Did you do anything to help her gain public housing despite her immigration status? 3) Did you know she donated to your campaign? If so, do you plan to return it? Has anyone else that is in the country illegally, or otherwise barred from donating to a political campaign donated you money?

20 I agree with Obvious.  We're not going to get any positive traction out of this beyond just politely pointing it out.  Anything else is not going to play well.  Stay classy, take the high road.

As far as public housing, Los Angeles County spends over one billion dollars on illegal immigrants.  And that's before you factor in the cost of educating their children and incarcerating their criminals.  Apparently the requirements for entitlement programs are no more stringent than they are for voting in our elections.

21 The Democrats will of course spin this into racism and anti-immigration, but lest we forget that the Dems torpedoed Linda Chavez's nomination for labor secretary because she allegedly hired illegals to clean her house.

22 Lol.. Too bad... The media has no choice but to cover the story now....

23 which is illegal.

24 13 Where did the info on the campaign contribution come from, by the way? I don't see that in the article.

That was in the original article that broke yesterday.  One of the Boston papers, the one Drudge linked.

25

The woman is in this country illegally, living off the tax payers, many of whom have relatives who are WAITING to enter this country by the rules.  If the McCain campaign decides that this woman and this issue are untouchable, as some of the commenters here suggest, I'm not sure we deserve to win. 

26 Now watch as McCain says something stupid about it and screws it all up.

27 ok... what's chaps my ass?

not that she's here illegally... I mean it bothers me but not much...
not that she's collecting welfare... I mean it bothers me but not much...
not that she donated money to his campaign... I couldn't care less...

what bothers me is this rich SOB that went to Columbia and Harvard, does shit to help anyone in his family... not his aunt, not his brother, not his other brothers... he helps no one but the old white lady who's afraid of black guys...

if my family lived in shanty houses in Africa, I would be doing everything in my power to get them to America... or at least sending them a few bucks to help out.

you want my respect? respect your family!

or maybe he is helping and that's why she's here, in government housing, donating to his campaign?

28 My point is The Obvious's second reaction is the right one, his first reaction:

"The right leaning blogs should flog this to death!"

... is the one to avoid.

29 Ahhh, but you don't have to go after Auntie to give the media unmitigated hell.  they can't hide the Khalidi tape and  give Obama a pass on this.  Peel the hide off the reporters boys.  Leave the little old lady be.

30 I agree with your comment 29, The Obvious. Well said.

31 yeah because we don't want them to call us racists

32 Yep, don't bag on the old lady, guys. Bag on Barky for a) not helping her financially and b) not helping her to become a legal resident.

33 From an AP story on today's Boston Globe:

Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.

Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.

Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcment official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.

Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the United States.

[snip]

It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order.

34

Yep, don't bag on the old lady, guys. Bag on Barky for a) not helping her financially and b) not helping her to become a legal resident.

Concur

35 "Bag on Barky for a) not helping her financially and b) not helping her to become a legal resident."

I still hold to the theory that attacking Obama for not helping an extended family member is weak (Ed Morrissey agrees with me, fwiw), but definitely b.

IF Obama knew she wasn't a legal resident, he should have used some of his legal mojo to at least advise her on a path to said residency and put her in touch with people who could help her. I mean, this woman gave him $260 saved from her (ill gotten) welfare benefits... she was obviously supporting him.

36

Posted by: Benson at November 01, 2008 01:00 AM (qzcNU)

More likely, he'll add Obama's illegal, taxpayer-funded Aunt to his list of issues and persons that mustn't be discussed.  

37 Zogby just confirmed the poll on his website.

38 Chirstoph,

Were you a live birth?  No one will know about it if no one mentions it, you egregious dimwit.  You can flog it to death without having one harsh thing to say about the Aunt.  The are a dozen post in this.  One, the aunt is illegal, the poor dear.  Two, the poor aunt has to live in public housing while her rich Seantor nephew babbles about being his brother's keeper.  Three, the poor little old lady is an illegal mostly because her rich, connected lawyer-Senator nephew didn't bother to straighten out her visa.  Four, how did this poor little old lady god love her end up in public housing, though we're glad she's there , there are plenty of other little old lady's that aren't in public housing that should be.  Did her rich well connected Senator lawyer nephew have any thing to do with that?  Five, didn't Senator-lawyer realize that his poor aunt's donation was illegal as well.  Isn't that he sort of thing we pay Senator-lawyer to know?  And on and on and on.  Like that.  It's not hard.  You just have to be not retarded

39 Wrong thread. Sorry.

40 My first reaction to this story was that Axelrod must have cut back the baksheesh payments to the AP or something.

41 One of the scandals in this story is that the poor are laundering government money back to Obama, in effect he is getting Government money to run his campaign. Kind of like a reverse earmark.

The poor get unemployment, welfare, housing food and energy assistance and then they turn around and give Obama some of the money the Government gave them.

Maybe people who are on Government assistance shouldn't be allowed to make political contributions. They should first have to cover their own asses before covering anyone else's

How many of Obama's many small donors are on welfare?

42 Oh, derrrrrr, I'm a giant dumbass and I didn't click the link.  Consider me spanked (again!).

43 The Obvious @38, that's probably why I said I agree with your second reaction, don't you think? The one where you said, "You don't go after her.  You just point out that she is an illegal and that she has contributed to Obama's campaign,which is illegal as well.  You don't have to say any thing about her personally."

I didn't want people to take your first reaction about flogging it to death on right wing blogs the wrong way. Even if you get it and knew what you meant, there was a strong probability others wouldn't.

44 This guy really values his family.

45 Maybe people who are on Government assistance shouldn't be allowed to make political contributions.

Maybe they should have to submit to drug tests.  Kinda like the people with jobs do . . .

Just sayin'

46 No, this is what Obama gets for tossing the reporters off the plane.  Journalists will only kill for three things coffee, cocaine and their guild.

47 For shame, Barack Obama, for shame!! The GOP and blogs need not go after Aunti Zeituni; let ICE deal with that very delicately. And, no. Instant visa is not the answer because that is amnesty. A quiet deportation is the answer. Barack Obama does not like black people! He does not! Look at all of his black relatives; he doesn't care jack for any of them. He only uses them as props. The only black people Obama has helped are Michelle's relatives and the connections he fostered through her. He's given Michelle's "Hebrew" relative hundred of thousands of taxpayer dollars. Most likely Michelle pushed him to. His own relatives? Nada de nada de nada de nada!! The problem he has with his white relatives is that he's not white. That's the true source of his grandma-under-the-buss toss. What we need to do is not attack Aunti Zeituni who likely came here expecting that Barack, well positioned, would help her. That's how people from Africa and the Caribbean think. We MUST focus our attack on Barack Obama himself. Rich but gives little to charity. Says he's his brother's keeper but won't give his brother or his Aunti Zeituni a hand up. Spendthrift with other peoples money—$700,000 of donations blown in Germany; $4,000,000 of donations blown with a useless ad on CBS, MSNBC, NBC, etc. With his own money; helping people out of his own pocket? Barack Obama is stingy! As for the keep and care of his indigent relatives? Barack Obama is uncharitable; his relatives either live in poverty (George) or they're wards of the state (Aunt Zeituni). That's who we need to attack, and that's how we must attack him.

48 So she, an illegal alien, needs taxpayers to foot her housing bill. Yet she has money to donate $260 to a political campaign?

49 "No, this is what Obama gets for tossing the reporters off the plane.  Journalists will only kill for three things coffee, cocaine and their guild."

I think you're right about that too, The Obvious. What's with the hostility when I'm agreeing with the majority of your points today? Chill out, skirt!

50 The bigger point, Benson, is I'm sure illegal aliens can't donate to American political campaigns. Not that the Obama campaign has a problem with it: They got rid of safeguards so they could encourage it.

They're accepting money from overseas too.

51 I mean, the aunt is illegal, needs a lawyer, lives a few miles from Harvard...  With the profits you made from the Ayers biography, couldn't you at least vote "Present"?

52 Hopefully voters will figure out if this self described intellectual Obama can't even get his own family squared away how is he going to fullfill all the promises he has made?

53 I don't think attacking this is the right way to approach this issue.  Like someone suggested earlier, Bush should grant her amnesty to bring attention to this.

54 Obvious, you're batting 1000 here.

And I especially liked your little dig at the ever-annoying and completely superfluous Christoph.  Seriously, don't they have blogs in Canada where that fuckin' twinkie could go and bother his own kind?

55 Listen, Canadian Faux-Christian Concern Troll, you're not our fucking keeper.

It's somewhat disturbing how wrapped up you are in a foreign country's election, and how you pretend to understand local political nuances.

Enough with your fucking comment filibuster responding condescendingly to every fucking person like you're the only one with common sense, decency, or a clue.  In fact, you're rather short on several of those, but being generous Americans we're willing to tolerate that... IF you don't act like you own this blog or its comments.  When you're about to post something for the second, third, or five thousandth time, realize we're all fucking sick of hearing it and stop.

56 Although, if Obama says nothing before Tuesday about her will he be seen as a hateful relative, someone who is RUNNING from his past (another thing going unreported)? No high school teachers, no ex-girlfriends, no papers from law review, no hint of writing skill or desire to write, no hint of nautical hobbies or history on display in his book, "Dreams of... something. Ayers influence???

57 What's with the faux-Christian stuff? I'm not any kind of Christian.

58 Bush shouldn't say a word.  The last thing the Republicans need is to have him on television between now and Tuesday.  Nor do they need to be saying any damned thing at all about amnesty one way or the other.  As a matter of fact, the words amnesty shouldn't pass a Republican's lips between now and Tuesday either.  No, this one has to be driven by talk radio and the blogs.  Just report it as what it is, and ask questions of Obama...that's all.  That's all.  NO amnesty, no Bush, nothing else at all.

59 Heh... the Kos Kiddie Kult is already melting down.

60

IF Obama knew she wasn't a legal resident, he should have used some of his legal mojo to at least advise her on a path to said residency and put her in touch with people who could help her. I mean, this woman gave him $260 saved from her (ill gotten) welfare benefits... she was obviously supporting him.

Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:09 AM (hawOV)

The only way I am aware of for someone here illegally to become regularized is for them to go back to where ever it is they're from and get in line.  If your nephew is a wealthy US senator, that shouldn't be a problem.  In fact, you'll probably find yourself in the front of the line. 

But why would Obama do that?  As his aunt's case illustrates, there is absolutely no penalty for violating our immigration laws.  She even has taxpayer funded housing and a taxpayer funded "job."  Given the way our immigration laws are enforced, why would anyone comply?  

Are you starting to see why this is newsworthy?

61 Even MSNBC is running the story now. Heh.

62 Although, if Obama says nothing before Tuesday about her will he be seen as a hateful relative, someone who is RUNNING from his past No it won't, it will be treated through the media as one more thing they forgot. but nevertheless forgettable, unremarkable, just one more glossed over point.

63 Infidoll, of course I see why it's newsworthy... and especially as an immigration story. It's also tied to American's newest celebrity.

But I don't see where talking about it is terribly helpful to the GOP's election chances in 3 days. Let the media talk about it.

Focus on the economic issues that Arnold nailed, or the Wright association that that 527 is going to do the $6,000,000 of advertising for, etc., and etc.

64 "faux-Christian stuff"

comments 393-403

65 #61 Who?

66 When Drudge ran the 'blood in the street', I had no idea it would look like this. Paparazzi: Obama has testy moment with the media... McCain: 'We're Coming Back Strong'... Murdoch says Obama win could worsen financial crisis... Obama 'raffles' off a chance to join him on Election Night... *Spent $700,000 for stage, lights in Berlin... Pollsters weigh in on potential 'election day surprises'... AP poll: 1 in 7 voters still persuadable... The Final Weekend... Study: Media coverage has favored Obama campaign... ABCNEWS: Obama's New Attack on Those Who Don't Want Higher Taxes: 'Selfishness'... Author warns of 'Second American Civil War'; 'Blood Will Run in the Streets'... I have a feeling it will only get better. Looks like Change We Can Believe In. /snark

67 She's poor and she gave BHO $260 in small donations, including three for $5 and two for $25. In other words, she's a sympathetic figure. If you attack her it will backfire greatly.

However, attacking Obama over this is something that others can do. Why was he letting her illegally redistribute her wealth to him, when he could have been helping her by getting her an immigration lawyer? Who from the campaign told her to keep quiet? Is he going to introduce an emergency private relief bill to give her a green card?

If you don't want to push this, then push BHO's creepy plan to use pre-teens to get votes. That's something that most people should find repellent, but almost no one else wants to push it.

68 Oh man, some of that Kos stuff is pure gold.

69 Frankly, I think the Kossack writer made one good point: Obama probably doesn't have control over his half-aunt. Hell, maybe he knew about her immigration status, didn't want to rat out his family member, but didn't want to support her either in case doing so came back to bite him.

Yes, that's a very charitable intepretation since he's probably just cheap, but it's within the realm of reason. Politically, I don't see Republicans attacking Obama on ties to his half-aunt being very helpful.

There are tons of more important things to attack Obama on, don't you think?

70 How can a person who lives in public housing afford to make campaign contribution of $260.

Also how did she get public housing?

Is the constitution of US of any relevance any more?

71 Topsecetk9,
I have a feeling all of a sudden that this is going to get some play in the media.  I think they suspect it will help Obama with poor people and working class people.  See it as a way to bolster that early voting that isn't going so well.  Problem is you don't run across many working class folk at Starbuck's.  They're going to hate this, and despise Obama for it.  . 

72 Honestly, forget the politics of selling the story.

It does encapsulate his candidacy.  A guy promising free shit with everyone ELSE's money and effort can't even get off his ass to keep his Aunt's immigration status straight, much less keep her from the projects.  Instead, he takes illegal donations from her poverty to waste on Greek Temples and a half-hour dull-as-dirt vanity infomercial.

Who IS this guy?  And why would you trust him to park your car, much less run the free world?

73 Yeah, well, Christoph, I think it's already been adequately established that you don't know jack shit about a) Americans or b) American elections.

This is going to hurt Obama quite a bit.

74 Anybody know if Auntie is registered to vote?

75 I suspect this will finish Obama in rural PA, and even in the working class and Union neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and Phillie. Will hurt him pretty badly in Iowa and Michigan and Wisconsin, too.  This isn't earth shattering, maybe, but it is a big deal.  The Repubs need to make some time for it.  Not McCain...the Republcian chattering classes.

76 I really wish people wouldn't spread the slime here. It only makes it into a bigger story. (Don't think media types don't come here to see "what's being talked about" as guides for what's the next "big story") [my emphasis]

Comment at Kos... priceless....

77 The Obvious, in the comments you linked to I was making a non-Christian (I even called it such) human rights case against slavery and abortion and talking about how the two are related because they both involve the definition of a "person".

Of course I have much in common with fundamentalist Christians on those issues. We use different methods (although in addition to Biblical teachings they also use mine) of reaching the same conclusion.

And finally, as I mentioned there, I am a deist... like most of America's most influential founders. I believe in a God of some type or other, but don't know nor claim to know the details. I don't believe the Bible is revealed truth. Pretty classic deism stuff.

Specifically, I don't believe Jesus was supernatural. I think he may even be a myth: There's precious little reliable contemporary evidence about him and I would expect to be tons. The Romans were meticulous record keepers. I don't trust the Gospels as reliable accounts.

This hardly makes me any type of Christian including a "faux-Christian".

But if your criticism against me is I share some Christian values like being pro-life and opposed to racism and slavery, I'll wear that like a badge of honour. I agree with Christians on many things.

78 Someone,

You are absolutely right.  Nothing else captures Obama's spirit quite as clearly as this.

79 Now that Auntie Zetunia has been thrust in the limelight, shouldn't some state officials be running background checks on her?

The aunt is not off limits. Vet her.

Joe Biden, the other asshole on Obama's ticket, attacked Joe the Plumber; basically called him a fraud. Vet the illegal alien who is frauding the taxpayers. Vet her.

80 Christoph: retarded French Canadian fuck.

I mean that half-serious, half-joking.  The serious part is above.

The half joking part... shit, I forget.  Maybe it involves your amazing ability to have to have an opinion on all things at all times.

81 This will be in the Sunday paper, the only one that many people read -- especially the low-information/undecided voters.

82 "This is going to hurt Obama quite a bit."

Yes, but don't also make it hurt Republicans by appearing behind it. Let it boil to the surface naturally as it already has and have whatever effect it will. There's tons of other things to pound Obama on while that issue does its work.

83 Obama's aunt is here ILLEGALLY living in poverty, and is a deportation FUGITIVE. She's collecting WELFARE and has DONATED to Obama's campaign, ILLEGALLY! Obama. Family in poverty as he makes millions. Complete lawlessness. Giveaway your hard earned tax payer money to illegal fugitives. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. QUESTION --- Is this a right-at-midnight October suprise?

84 How is she living in public housing in Boston, Massachusetts?  One name... Deval Patrick.... another of Axelrod's candidates and one of Obama's bestest pals.  He even plagiarized one of Patrick's speeches....

This qualifies for the big bucket of popcorn, extra butter...

85 "This will be in the Sunday paper, the only one that many people read -- especially the low-information/undecided voters."

Well there you go. But don't let it turn into a Republicans attack Obama's aunt story.

86 Bart:  that would be... unwise.

And not too satisfying either.  She looks like one of Barry's victims, not part of his crooked crew.

87 quick, somebody give this woman a sub-prime mortgage!

88 Funny, Barney Frank. And too true.

89 If someone wants to do some good, contact an immigration lawyer and ask them if they think her case could be salvageable: if BHO had gotten her a lawyer, could they have appealed? Why then didn't BHO help her out?

It doesn't sound like her case went as far as Arellano's (link) or another one for which Bobby Rush introduced a private relief bill (link). I forget the exact quotes, but I think Arellano's handler wasn't too pleased with BHO for not doing more.

90 #87... surely she qualifies for the Friends of Angelo VIP treatment.

91 It's on the Puffy Ho's site... shitting turds the size of Alaska, I bet...

92 Michelle Malkin writes about the returning the donation angle and cites the relevant law:

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or through any other person to make any contribution of money or other thing of value, or to promise expressly or impliedly to make any such contribution, in connection with an election to any political office; or in connection with any primary election, convention, or caucus held to select candidates for any political office; or for any person to solicit, accept, or receive any such contribution from a foreign national.

2 U.S.C. § 441e.

93

Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:35 AM (hawOV)

Having the media report this story would be ideal, but they can't be counted on to cover something that's so potentially damaging to their candidate.  Also, given McCain's high profile and strategically ridiculous stance on immigration, he's in no position to carry the ball. 

This is a job for the 527s. 

94 If Barry, as a Legislator, gave a shit he could have introduced a 'personal bill' to make his Auntie kosher.

He did not, therefore, other than keeping her pie-hole shut until after the election, he does not give a shit.

Surprise, surprise. Barry, for all the hopey-changey touchy-feely, sure is one callous mo-fo.

95

Benson #26

Why the negativity? I think McCain has done a great job of not doing anything stupid all campaign. But why must we try to depress every bit of good news we get? I don't get it.

96 watchdog 83 - It doesn't ring as an October surprise to me. What's puzzling is that Obama left her out there to be found. He writes of her is his book and left her to live in poverty and illegally. He speaks of lifting everyone up to the same level and how if someone doesn't care for their family they shouldn't be president, but doesn't practice it with his own family? At best, it shows him to be a fraud. At worst, it shows he has an interesting psychological make up. The question isn't "is this an October surprise?" but, what is he willing to allow others to bear while he works on getting what he wants?

97 I think a 527 ad playing the lack of family values displayed by BO would be appropriate here, if it can be developed quickly enough. McCain should tread lightly. The door to an immigration debate probably wouldn't be a wise one for him to open, but the media may be forced to follow the Obama trail now, if nothing else.

98 For an empty suit, he has a mighty big closet full of skeletons. Compliments to the dems and the msm for doing such a bang up job researching their candidate. Guess they spent so much time in Wasilla's trash cans, they forgot all about Chicago.

99

I'm just a spectator to your election (no. not Canada) but this strikes me as a hit on Obama.

His people had spoken to her and told her not to speak to the press. That shows he knew he knew her address and that she has lived in the US for many years.

So Obama must have known she had a bad result with immigration and was likely to be an illegal.

Although she is a fairly distant relative - I note she is a "step aunt", same father, different mother - he was obviously aware that she was living in the US illegally.

Isn't the first duty of the President to uphold the law?

You can't pick and choose which laws to uphold, can you?

I think THAT is the tack to take.

But maybe the immigration issue is different in the US. It would go down pretty badly here if a politician didn't act if they knew about an overstayer....

My 2 cents

100 that should say Obama money trail in 97

101 Johnnymac:  JtP, TtP, Saracuda


zero: George "12-a-year" Obama, Auntie "Southie" Onyango, Hair Plugs


What a contrast.


Now, echoing earlier sentiments, Jmac should say NOTHING against the woman.  Surrogates can carry the story as indicative of O's corrupt and failed philosophy, the media hacks will unknowningly publish the rest.


I would like to know if she's registered to vote.  That'd be hilarious and tragic.  But, Onyango is a pretty cool name.

102 If you attack her it will backfire greatly.

She needs help.

US law allows for aid to aliens in distress - All she need do is apply for return to her home country, the US will gladly et her onto a plane and get her home, safe and sound.

Barry being the great legal mind and all, why did he not help make the request already...

103 Posted by: DavidF of Oz at November 01, 2008 02:05 AM (8ciIJ)

See above - Barry as Congress Critter could have easily sponsored her a green-card - he chose not to.

104 Kal at November 01, 2008 02:07 AM.
Better, would be if she already voted.

For an empty suit, he has a mighty big closet full of skeletons.

105

I hate to do this, but props to the AP for journalisming this. They could have just not dug into it, like the NY Times didn't after it printed:

However, that Ms Onyango made a contribution to the Obama campaign would indicate that she is a US citizen.

 

106 Sup Morons  ... I bet Auntie Zeituni is all registered to vote too.

107 Oz is one of the two finest countries in the world, DavidF, along with Canada.

108

Posted by: DavidF of Oz at November 01, 2008 02:05 AM (8ciIJ)

See above - Barry as Congress Critter could have easily sponsored her a green-card - he chose not to.

Oh, right, I didn't know how it works there.

Gee, he really is a callous SOB, isn't he? I suppose it would be poor form to sponsor he himself, but he could have got one of his mates to.

109 Heh... the Kos Kiddie Kult is already melting down.

Oh shit, I just lol'd:

Bush administration uses tools of government against a political opponent (illegal and unethical, btw)

...WHICH IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT AT ALL LIKE USING TOOLS OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHO JUST HAPPENED TO MAKE YOUR FUCKING MESSIAH DROP HIS DRAWERS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

THAT is totally legitimate.

110 She's holding out for Obama to become president and pass an amnesty bill

111 Holy crap, this is even on the Yahoo front page headlines now. 

112 So much for that KosKultist who said "no legitimate news source will (or should) touch this".

LOL indeed.

113

Holy crap. I just read most of the comments at the Kos post (over 300 now). I haven't done that in forever, but man these people are batshit crazy.

114 Obama's aunt is the perfect example of how Obama will treat the american people if he is President. He will ignore them and let the govenment support them. And if you are illegal who cares it ain't his money. Now shut the fuck up stay in your hole and act grateful. Oh yeah doen't forget to make a contribution to my campaign. God only knows I need it more than you do.

115 "Holy crap, this is even on the Yahoo front page headlines now."

As I said, "Let it boil to the surface naturally as it already has and have whatever effect it will. There's tons of other things to pound Obama on while that issue does its work."

116 deport her, deport him...illegal is illegal, withered reproductive parts not withstanding...

117 LA Times has it now (same AP story, don't bother to click unless you want to confirm)

118 Mccain should bring her to Ohio. Get her some coffee, maybe a pack of smokes and some lotto tickets...spread the wealth around. Maybe a Mcrib sandwich and some fries. Thank her for illegally entering our fair land, like her illegal nephew...

Hope.

Change.

Crap.

119 To sum up what we know:

1. The Obama campaign must have known she was here because she was informed she should not talk to the media until after the election.
2. They knew she was here and either was unaware she was here illegally (unlikely) or didn't care (more likely) or did care, but only about the news getting out (most likely)
3. They knew she was here and she was living in public housing while Barack was raking in millions from his best selling books.
4. They knew she was here and was not legally allowed to make campaign contributions to obama but they accepted them anyway.

If there were any real journalists left in America, they might want to ask some of the following questions in addition to the obvious "did he know" ones:

1. "Your aunt said she couldn't talk about you until after the election. Who told her that?" (removes the "we didn't know" response option)
2. "Since Barack said we should be our brother's keeper, why is his aunt living in a housing project when he's a multi millionaire? Isn't it hypocritical to ask others to pay higher taxes to 'spread the wealth' when Barack is unwilling to do it for his own aunt?"
3. "Has senator Obama ever intervened on his aunt's behalf with the INS? Why or why not?"
4. "Your campaign defended its lack of fraud control for online credit card donations by saying they would be caught later on during screening. Isn't the fact that an illegal alien was able to make multiple donations to your campaign proof that your screening either doesn't work or doesn't actually exist?"

Barack can't play the 'my aunt is a victim of the press' card. His aunt is the victim of his own opportunism and callousness. This is all about Obama and his whole neighborliness schtick being revealed as a big lie.

120 The lib blogs ae blaming gop dirt tricks and an AP reporter (with his photo to discredit him ala an idea first discussed here?) - they feel they want to deflect it in GOTV by discussing her wanting assylum from political violence (ignore caused by O's cousin) and unfair immigration and welfare practices. Also mention how do we expect him to even know all his relatives (she was in his book for cryin'' out loud!) .....but they are stuck on unfair media and hopefully no one will care except looney Fox....

121 So after a year of burying negative Obama stories the AP drops an anonymously sourced bombshell out of the blue? This can only mean one thing: the MSM has decided Obama will lose and needs to manufacture a reason why to restore its credibility. Expect more Obama scandals over the weekend.

Disclaimer: I'm drunk.

122 The Kos Kreeps suck arse, period. They are as bad as Ass Bandit Sullivan is, maybe worse. No wonder that f*** can keep a job: pandering to these mouth-breathers.

Kos sucks.

And there's no sense of humor. These dullards are as funny as a herpes blister, honestly. They blow: the story being covered  doesn't seem to change that,either.

123 Obviouslly we need to leave this woman alone. We should however ask why this woman lives in the conditions she lives in when her uncle is a millionare.

124 Leave her alone? Sure.
Nail his Kools smoking ass to the barn door? Absodamnlutely.
Then get her that sub prime loan...

125 This can only mean one thing: the MSM has decided Obama will lose and needs to manufacture a reason why to restore its credibility.

Yep. Damage control.

Too bad it's not going to work this time.

126 KosKid: [McCain] is good at winning news cycles...But winning news cycles is not enough. Obama is good at winning elections.

Funny, I was under the impression that he'd never won a contested election.

127

128

Yep. Damage control.

Too bad it's not going to work this time.

I think it will work The MSM is sitting on an enormous amount of Obama dirt. If they dump it all over the weekend, and McCain wins in a landslide, the story will be Obama was ahead until these last minute revelations turned the tide. Who's going to argue with that?

129 As far as Africans are concerned, there's no such thing as a "step-aunt." What there is is an aunt. Family. In his book, Obama implied he considered Zeituni as his responsibility now; Rush ran the clip on Friday. However, his responsibility to Zeituni has been fulfilled just like his responsibility to the Kogelo school, which he promised to assist.

130 Juba Doobai!, I agree with you that Obama's a cheapskate who makes promises then doesn't deliver. (Wow, that sounds like his political campaign.)

I just don't think this story had legs in the next 3 days. What legs it has can be carried by the media, which has already begun to do so, while the GOP focuses on other targets.

131 Obama’s estranged father’s half sister loves the US so much she wants to stay in poverty? Outrageous. Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group. Maverick.

132

You just know the only reason Obama doesn't give her a hand is that he doesn't want her to miss out on that sweet public assistance money.

And Matt?  Get out the magnifying glass and see if you can find your dick.  Then go piss up a rope.

133 Send her back and make Obama because he is a senator and knew she drew welfare and housing illegally pay it back. Isn't he abeiting her in her wrong. Can Obama be charged too , its illegal if someone knows isn't it and is in the senate also. He needs to spread his wealth around. I think the law should be changed--- anyone who runs for president should have served his country honorably.

134 Get that woman a drivers license- stat!

135

Yeah- the Palins hate the US.

And Obama is a true patriot, not a socialist, and not a lover of Farrakhan.

Any other horseshit you care to fling?

You are GOING TO LOSE.

136

Where did our country go? Now it makes sense why last year when ICE raided a factory in New Bedford Mass and deproted 300 people 4 politicians showed up to complain (only after ICE left town so they could not comment back) but when 900 US citizens got laid off one city over three months later none of them showed up to show support for actual US citizens.

I guess in Democrats minds it is getting tougher to fool Americans so they have to fool non citizens into voting for them. I guess when that wears out they will be registering aliens to vote, or have they already? ACORN on Mars?

 

137 We MUST focus our attack on Barack Obama himself. Rich but gives little to charity. Says he's his brother's keeper but won't give his brother or his Aunti Zeituni a hand up. Spendthrift with other peoples money—$700,000 of donations blown in Germany; $4,000,000 of donations blown with a useless ad on CBS, MSNBC, NBC, etc. With his own money; helping people out of his own pocket? Barack Obama is stingy! As for the keep and care of his indigent relatives? Barack Obama is uncharitable; his relatives either live in poverty (George) or they're wards of the state (Aunt Zeituni). That's who we need to attack, and that's how we must attack him. Posted by: Juba Doobai! at November 01, 2008 01:17 AM (D6hfp) yes, yes, yes

138 Christoph, what you think really doesn't matter. The story is in the media now cuz Drudge, with higher ratings than the MSM, has run with it. It's being carried throughout the blogosphere. If you think it won't have legs you're crazy. Come Monday, Rush will pick it up and it will spread all across the fruited plains. The PUMAs will run with it. Hopefully, Sarah Palin will mention it and decry Obama's indifference to the plight of his disabled Aunti. This issue of Aunti Zeituni speaks to Obama's character or lack thereof. He has the nerve to lecture to us and call us selfish when he would not help out his aunt who has no green card? Then, knowing that she's an illegal—you better believe he knew!—he issues a gag order for her so she won't say anything to rock his boat? Where's the love, Barack? Where's the compassion and charity for your disabled Aunti? Obama could've helped Aunti Zeituni regularize her status; no one would've held it against him. Instead, we've got the November surprise. With Aunti Zeituni's situation as the vehicle, Obama is an authoritarian hypocritical fraud who demands that we do as he says but he doesn't have to live up to his words. "I am my brother's keeper." JUST WORDS!!!

139 Christoph,

  Maybe we can be nice to his aunt (and The One too while were at it!) and wait until he's president of the United Socialist States of America.  Then it will be really easy to rectify it all.  We probably can meet with him unconditionally and ask him to please resign because he has obviously broken some laws of the former USA.  I'm sure he'll have no problem with that, seeing as he's so much in love with our country and wouldn't want to change it or anything.  Then we can make arrangements for me to keep paying higher taxes so that his aunt can live here illegally and take government subsidies.  Win-win for all of us as far as I can see.

140 some folks (conservatives) are charitable with their own money and some folks (liberals) are charitable with other peoples money.

141 We MUST focus our attack on Barack Obama himself.

Does anyone at the FEC read a newspaper that prints articles from the AP wire? 

The foreign press just reported that the Obama campaign accepts donations from illegal aliens in taxpayer-subsidized housing.  You don't even have to mention the family angle--he's blithely breaking federal election laws.

142 My wife just suggested that John and Cindy McCain should adopt her.

143 Is there no power on earth, no natural force, no typhoon, hurricane or tsunami that can make CRISTOPH SHUT THE FUCK UP?!? Look, the woman is 56 -- hardly old, thenkyewverymuch -- she's here illegally, shes's been ignoring a deportation order for four years, she lives in public housing on public money, and she's donated a couple of Franklins illegally to Obama. Does anybody who was NOT born in Canada think this is even a little bit of a sympathetic character?!?

144 Yes but how many times has she registered to vote?

145 "The story is in the media now cuz Drudge, with higher ratings than the MSM, has run with it."

Actually, the MSM ran it and Drudge picked it up.

146 And Uncle Omar?

147 Typical CNN reporting...check their website, what a JOKE. "MAY" be here illegally? Try CONFIRMED by US Immigration Officials. Gave small amounts to Obama? How about telling the truth, that both her AND Obama broke the law with those contributions. He didn't verify her citizenship???? How MANY MILLIONS MORE CAME FROM OVERSEAS???? THE LAW: It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or through any other person to make any contribution of money or other thing of value, or to promise expressly or impliedly to make any such contribution, in connection with an election to any political office; or in connection with any primary election, convention, or caucus held to select candidates for any political office; or for any person to solicit, accept, or receive any such contribution from a foreign national. 2 U.S.C. § 441e.

148 Friends, read up at news.yahoo.com. The new post is EXPANDED from the original AP to include FRAUD DONATIONS YEAHHH BOOOOOYYYYYYY!

149 Ace, I almost think this one's in flaming skull territory. Besides the obvious hipocrisy, it totally begs the question of "you took $250 from this one foreign national, how the F*CK many more millions did you take and not verify"? Chicago thuggary we can believe in

150 The AP story says she's been living "quietly" in Boston, but the Times story notes that she was quoted by name in a story by the AP:

An Associated Press story about poor people buying lottery tickets at cheque-cashing shops, from Cambridge, Massachusetts, on May 25, 2003, quotes a Zeituni Onyango whom it describes as out of work and without much money. “It's like when I feel luck might fall I do that, like manna might come from Heaven. That’s when I buy it,” she told AP.

151 ""It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order."

By buying false documents behind the DMV for 200 bucks like everyone else!

I am also surprised at the lack of feeling this man has for his family!  Or maybe he's just cold after both parents abandoned him.

He wasn't there when his mother died, barely sees his grandmother, has impoverished relatives everywhere...hey, who's selfish now?

152 Obama's campaign took the security measures of the web donation page.  The money that the Aunt (or someone) contributed is a drop in the bucket with regard to possible illegal campaign contributions.  He raised $600 million dollars.  That is $2 million dollars per U.S. citizen.  Does the math add up here.  This alone warrants a huge investigation. 

153 Quick, flog him for not getting his illegal alien relative, who's on welfare, citizenship.

Errr, no.

154 She's as much a crook as he is, politicall helpful to say it or not.

155 No, it's 2 dollars per US citizen. $2 million would be up in the hundreds of trillions. In theory Senator Obama could possibly have raised that much honestly, but we know of at least a few tens of thousands for certain that have been from foreign donors.

156 This woman should be deported.

157

Agree with those above that say let the MSM/blogs push this out there and have McCain focus on other bigger issues like the economy and national security.  This story encapsulates a whole bunch of negatives for Barry in 1 story - illegal relative, illegal donation, and illegal donations.

The ad I want to see McCain pound away at is O lowering his tax threshold line from 250K to 120K (120K said by O surrogate Richardson).  I'll bet a good part of Barry's support is coming from people who don't recognize that his tax plan is a joke and that he is raising taxes if he gets in.  Any candidate that the public believes will raise their taxes loses.

158

Look, John McCain is one of the most compassionate men who ever ran for office. he has even defended NObama when he felt the words against him were dangerous or unfair. If this poor woman will be in danger in Kenya, then I Know McCain would never want to see her get sent back. I would bet my life on that. But that is not the point, now. The point is Obama knew, its on the list of things that cant be discussed,  he and Michelle have a long list! Unlike The McCains who just keep taking in on the chin. But I prefer that, cuz then we can make up our own minds whether or not something should be an issue. NObama's lies and constant deciet are just too dangerous...every couple of months another cohort pops up, and why are they always Militant or Terrorist, or anti Ameriican...and why is there always a link between them all? Or most all?
     Rashid Khalidi PLO, (and Isreal and Jew hater) Khalod Al_Mansour anti American who got other muslims to pay for Obamas education, Jerimiah Wright, preaches hate and overthrow of America, Wm Ayers and wife Bernadine Dohrn, US terrorist, blew up Pentagon, US capital etc. Wrote book on it, and dedicatedit to all terrorist...inclusive of Serhan Serhan...murderer of Bobby Kennedy! They do not repent even now..they say they wish they did more! Tony Rezko...convicted crook, who just happened to buy property ajoining Obamas on the same day, and cut him a deal! Louis Ferrakkan, Black Supremasist who calls BHO..."The Messiah"!...they all live in same neighborhood all multi millionaires now....hummm. I guess its ok not to have to share the wealth til you get all you want, eh boys? And BHO has lied about every single one of them! Incapable of telling the truth! Stop the insanity people...please Vote For John McCain! Will he make mistakes? Sure, we are all human. But we KNOW he loves our country, and would fight to the death for it. He has already proved that. McCain 08!

 

159 Christoph should be deported, get off our blog, canadian scum, probably sits on their thought crimes commision and seems to be one sick homo lonely luser

160 A

161 I noticed Obama dropped his "I am my brother's keeper line" in this morning's speeches. Wonder why?

162

This is it this all you can come up with? Republicans can't win it on the issues, can't win it by presenting the qualifications of their candidates. So let's dig up some of Obama's extended family; you know the side of the family that he has little to no contact with and make him personally responsible for their living conditions, their moral failings and every decision they personally make.

 

So that being the case, I guess McCain should be held responsible for his wife's drug addiction and her theft of drugs from AVMT.

 

Weak, just weak.

163   I do not care who wins but I do hope that there is no mandate for either of the amnestyists.

164

This issue is a trap.

Axelrod knew about it, and chose to unleash it now.

"allheavens" shows what the trap is.

165 Makes me think, Sat in a Church for 20 years but didn’t know Wright was a racist, Did business with Ayers for 15 years but didn’t know he was a terrioist. Bought property from Resko but didn’t know he was shady. Didn’t know Dr. Khalid Abdullah was anti Semite. Didn’n know Auntie Zeituni is here illegally (living in Public Housing and contributing to his campaign illegally). Sent a Director from his campaign to a meeting with Islamic Terriost but didn’t know. Seems to me he doesn’t know some very important things….or did he and is not being honest! Obama is a dangerous man! 1. Occidental College records –Not released 2. Columbia College records – Not released 3. Columbia Thesis Paper – “not available” 4. Harvard College records – Not released 5. Selective Service Registration – Not released 6. Medical records – Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available” 8. Law practice client list – Not released 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released 11. Harvard Law Review articles published – None 12. University of Chicago scholarly articles – None 13. Your Record of baptism – Not released or “not available” 14. Your Illinois State Senate records– “not available”

166

Howard, add to that list:

Didn't realize he'd hired someone who would burn his family.

That's what's happening here.  Someone high up in the Obama campaign has had this information for months.  The story was pushed just in time that it would evolve a certain appearance on Election Day.

Obama should be mightily pissed at whoever of his employees did this to his aunt.

167  I have just read the article on Zeituni Onyango and wish to make a statement as the former Acting Interim Director of theMassachusetts Citizens for Immigration Reform the largest immigration control lobby in the commonwealth. The outcome of this  Tuesday's election as far as who becomes President is unimportant to me as both of the candidates McCain and Obama are people who hold the opinion that American citizens should not be able to democratically choose an immigration policy and have it respected. I know McCain is no better than Obama.
 
 I myself am from the Caribbean and as a U.S. Virgin Islander by the definition used by the US Department of Labor am an immigrant. What Barack Obama should have done as someone with relatives that he knows overseas is to foster community economic development in the other country not encourage illegal immigration and and or ignore the condition of relatives. The case of Zeituni Onyango shows that Senator Barack Obama is the sort of person who causes the problem of illegal immigration. First he has done little to finance economic development in his father's family's community second he countenances violation of American immigration law.
 
 Were I in Barack Obama's situation, rich by American standards and extremely rich by Kenyan standards with relatives there who I knew I would have financed family farm improvement and business and real estate ownership by relatives in Nairobi. I would try to also assist the community where they are living in general. I am aware I have relatives in the British Virgin Islands and the Dominican Republic, and Mexico. I have relatively little income now but in July of 2004 and though I have neither Barack Obama's money or his contacts I was responsible for successfully petitioning Harvard to give 600 beds to the Dominican Consulate for flooded clinics in the aftermath of a hurricane. I am now currently communicating with the Mexican government lobbying for a small enterprise finance program. I am not now nor would I attempt to bring in relatives in contravention of U.S. law.
 
  Zeituni Onyango's case has been adjudicated and she can not be given a stay of execution of deportation without the appearance of partiality. Were she to obttain an exemption every other illegal alien with a deportation order could rightfully claim favoritism. It might be possible for Aunt Zeituni to find have elswhere than Kenya but she should not be able to remain here. She is taking advantage of a situation but it is being caused by American politicians. As a result I am discussing possibly demonstrating not in South Boston but at the Obama Biden Campaign Headquarters in Boston before election. I have also previously protested with NumbersUSA material on the Kennedy Compound property several times, twice while the Kennedy family was there. 

168 I'm not seeing any angle on this for a couple of reasons. 
1.  Racism charges in 3..2..1
2.  McCain is not exactly the poster child for solving the illegal problem in a responsible way...and Palin's one answer on this has probably painted her into Mac's corner, as well.
2A. Because of this, it's likely that the press gets Mac and/or Palin to say we need to figure out a way to let her and others like her stay.  Frankly, I'm not eager for that to be looped 24/7 on every news outlet.
3.  Racism charges in 3..2..1
4.  If you ask the legitimate question about if she would receive a "tax break" from The One, see #1 and #3.
5.  There 

In short, there is no high-road for McCain...he must avoid the question at all costs...not exactly the high road.  Unfortunately, because of his stance on illegals, he'll be saying something completely  stupid like #26 pointed out.  So, if a real conservative was running, we'd have a legitimate issue to use gently.  Instead, we get to lament that this manna from heaven is unusable.


The only possible question McCain might raise...If this lady was able to contribute illegally several times, what does that say about The One's fundraising from these "millions and millions of small donors."?

169 This issue is a trap.

Axelrod knew about it, and chose to unleash it now.

"allheavens" shows what the trap is.

Wow, they really are scared s**tless by this.

170

Christopher Taylor wrote:

Wow, they really are scared s**tless by this.

Yea, I'm scared shitless by this.  I've worked through several layers of implications and they look really, really bad.  I believe this is an example of the astroturfing technique (ala Canadian HRC) by which "fairness" might be imposed on bloggers.

Read my follow-up (#166).  I believe this could be used as an angle to shred the Obama camp.

This bears all the same hallmarks as the Palin smears, which we know now originated from Axelrod.

OODA.  I can provide the Observe.  My ability to Act is limited, though.

171

May I humbly pose a simple question:

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD ANYONE WHO DONATES ILLEGALLY TO A FUCKIN' POLITICAL CAMPAIGN GET THEIR FUCKIN' MONEY BACK!!!!!?

HE shouldn't return it, and SHE shouldn't get it back. The FEC should be able to keep the money to aid in its enforcement efforts.

172

Assume you're dealing with people who have done "opposition research" on yourself.  These are professionals.

We know the Palin smears originated with Axelrod.  This appears to have the same pattern, and my little birds tell me it was Axelrod.

I'll tie it all together:

Wright the racist

Ayers the communist

Rezko the 'fixer'

Bauer the censor

Johnson the embezzler

Axelrod the Astroturfer, who would sacrifice members of his employer's family under the heading of "the end justifies the means".

These are all Obama's people.

Of this list, the person the Obama campaign is probably least prepared to defend is Axelrod, particularly since his actions are current.

As a broader "narrative", Obama is a lousy judge of people if he'd hire someone (like Axelrod) who would screw Obama's own family.

173 Send this freeloading scumbag back to Kenya.
She can move in with B.O.'s half brother and
split the costs of living in that 2m X 3m shack of his.

174  The Obama Onyango family have an obligation to each other the United States does not have an obligation to the family members of immigrant citizens above the majority of citizens. Being related to a citizen or a citizen having a foreign relative is not any justification for violating the democratic derived immigration policy of a nation. Zeituni Onyango is not a scumbag she also has no justification to be here, both sides political leaders of Kenya would guard her even if her nephew is Barack is not elected.

175

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