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August 19, 2008

Obama: Yes, I Voted Against the Born-Alive Provision, But I Only Voted Against It Because It Was One of Those Very Rare Pieces of Legislation That Actually Has Some Legal Effect, or Something
— Ace

Captain Bullshit!

Read his new "fact check:" He's claiming he supported the federal law (in theory; he didn't have to vote on it) because federal law does not actually have any effect on state abortion law, and opposed the identical state version, because state laws can affect, um, state laws.

So he's a big supporter of the Born Alive Act... so long as it's actually ineffectual and carries no operative power.

Or... something.

So, John McCain should likewise announce his fervent support for a single-payer national healthcare law, so long as that law is passed by, say, the City Council of Oswego, New York, and would therefore have no actual legal weight.

And he, like Obama, should "get credit" for supporting a legislative nullity, while opposing, you know, the real law and stuff.

Obama really does seem to prefer the sort of "lawmaking" which is entirely conducted on the plane of airy generalities, nebulous themes, and empty gestures, doesn't he? When asked to vote on a bona fide law (a law-type law, with actual legal effect, as opposed to the "thinky" sort of thought-experiment virtual "law" Obama prefers) he either courageously votes present or cries that it was unfair to ask him to vote on a law that actually might change the law.

Nuance. Layers. Leadership.

Posted by: Ace at 06:01 PM | Comments (51)
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1 That sums up Obama in a nutshell.

Minus the marxist and terrorist connections.

Posted by: Christoph at August 19, 2008 06:10 PM (hawOV)

2 McCain gets all 57 States.

Posted by: eman at August 19, 2008 06:15 PM (qg185)

3 Obama '08: Now With More Infanticide Than Ever!

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2008 06:15 PM (hlYel)

4 It's the new politics thing, clearly you just do not understand.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 19, 2008 06:21 PM (bSdbt)

5 Judgment to Lead...except when it, like, matters or some junk.

Posted by: Sean M. at August 19, 2008 06:30 PM (e6v7s)

6 Most of the major cities nationally are cesspools politically and Chicago is overflowing. This whole series of votes was just payback, I'm sure personally Obama could care less. Chicago will drag him down, it is really just getting started. We haven't even had the conventions yet, the nasty stuff is just starting to float to the top. He has no hope and that isn't going to change.

Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 06:32 PM (7rbe9)

7
But seriously... Who the hell votes to kill babies born alive?

No. Seriously, because I'm not getting it. Who the hell votes to kill babies born alive?

That's some pretty sick shit, dude.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 19, 2008 06:33 PM (kKO7A)

8 The Federal/State thing is just a dodge. The Illinois Atty. Gen. ruled that Christ Hospital did nothing wrong when it threw survivor babies into the broom closet to die. So the law was necessary in Illinois. (And if that's a "Christ" hospital, what does an anti-Christ hospital do?) The Dead Baby Industry has always believed that an aborting woman is entitled to a corpse. Because they knew that it would cost them elections, even they were afraid to advocate it in public. But not Dr. O. That makes him the most Pro-Abortion politician in America. And just talking about "the least of these" at Rick Warren's church just makes it worse; you're for the little guy? Well, they don't come any littler. Remember when Obama warned against the danger of doing evil in the name of good? How apt.

Posted by: Noel at August 19, 2008 06:38 PM (4gHqM)

9 Thank you, Chewy. I have been wondering about that also. Who the hell is for killing babies who survive an abortion? WHO? Isn't it pathetic we need legislation on something like this? BAD

Posted by: mare at August 19, 2008 06:41 PM (xMkst)

10 I'd call Obama a cocksucker, but, truthfully, that isn't a moral failing in my book. Even if it were, it's dramatically less so than supporting the killing of babies... even babies outside of a woman's vagina and breathing air.

Posted by: Christoph at August 19, 2008 06:58 PM (hawOV)

11 Some smart person described his schtick as all "Platitude and attitude." It's all he's got.

Posted by: Ronsonic at August 19, 2008 07:16 PM (ywSvi)

12 But did he say why he lied about this if it's so ineffectual ultimately?

Posted by: topsecretk9 at August 19, 2008 07:24 PM (LRJ8a)

13 I'm not rabidly anti-abortion, nor overtly religious, but there is undoubtedly a very special place in hell for people who kill the ones who miraculously survive an abortion. That shit just ain't right.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 19, 2008 07:25 PM (6L459)

14 That's some pretty sick shit. It shows an utter lack of thinking and a complete reliance on others (in this case, NOW--I'm guessing) for direction.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 07:35 PM (qAMnO)

15 Special sauce on top? He is on film calling the NRLC and the nurse who compiled all the evidence LIARS. Not mistaken, but LIARS. Yeah, brilliant politician this guy is.

Posted by: funky chicken at August 19, 2008 08:06 PM (xyyHG)

16 Doug Kmiec and Kirbyjohn Caldwell are looking pretty dumb right about now.

Posted by: funky chicken at August 19, 2008 08:07 PM (xyyHG)

17 And none of this will matter. You can't explain the truth of this story in under 30 seconds, so the MSM won't touch it even if it were so inclined. Furthermore the implications of Obastard's vote are so hideous most Americans will dismiss it as smear. Your idiocracy at work. Barry's years at the feet of a high priest of racism didn't sink him... In fact it is all but forgotten. If that weren't enough to do him in, then why raise an eyebrow at this? Ayers? Rezko? Pfleger? Barry could dine on an infant's corpse and at least forty percent of America would still vote for him. Forty percent would vote for a child molester so long as he were the Dummycrat candidate for POTUS. There is no thought here except to keep DC in Dem hands. It goes beyond policy, it's all the patronage and appointments that come with the Presidency.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 19, 2008 09:04 PM (AZGON)

18 And none of this will matter. You can't explain the truth of this story in under 30 seconds, so the MSM won't touch it even if it were so inclined. Furthermore the implications of Obastard's vote are so hideous most Americans will dismiss it as smear. Your idiocracy at work. Barry's years at the feet of a high priest of racism didn't sink him... In fact it is all but forgotten. If that weren't enough to do him in, then why raise an eyebrow at this? Ayers? Rezko? Pfleger? Barry could dine on an infant's corpse and at least forty percent of America would still vote for him. Forty percent would vote for a child molester so long as he were the Dummycrat candidate for POTUS. There is no thought here except to keep DC in Dem hands. It goes beyond policy, it's all the patronage and appointments that come with the Presidency.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 19, 2008 09:05 PM (AZGON)

19 Oops, sorry about the double post, fellas.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 19, 2008 09:09 PM (AZGON)

20 Special sauce on top? He is on film calling the NRLC and the nurse who compiled all the evidence LIARS. Not mistaken, but LIARS. This is not as important as McCain approving a message of ad imagery of a stick making a sign of the cross vs a STICK PEOPLE! Seriously, this is important.

Posted by: St. Andretard of the Scared Stupid at August 19, 2008 09:58 PM (LRJ8a)

21 sandal...vs. a stick. It's vitality important.

Posted by: St. Andretard of the Scared Stupid at August 19, 2008 10:00 PM (LRJ8a)

22 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/08/19/matthews-mccain-handing-out-permission-slips-racists

And yet Matthews' Leg claims that any criticism of Obama is a "permission slip" for racism.

I am starting to determine that anything and everything is racist in this election, even when it isn't.

Posted by: eddiebear at August 19, 2008 10:25 PM (eYXq4)

23 He makes John Kerry look decisive

Posted by: eddiebear at August 19, 2008 10:31 PM (eYXq4)

No matter how he tries to spin it, Obama’s vote shows he is either a total stooge of the pro-abortion lobby or just plain evil. Personally, I think he’s just a tool.

The fact that his tool-ishness is actually the better option here doesn’t speak all that well of him.

Posted by: Slublog at August 19, 2008 10:32 PM (NH8ID)

25
>St. Andretard of the Scared Stupid
This is not as important as McCain approving a message of ad imagery of a stick making a sign of the cross

Wow, you're right! What was I thinking?

Obama's voting to toss live babies in a broom closet to die is nothing... nothing ... compared to the scandal that maybe, just maybe, there wasn't a guard that treated McCain nice one time in a prison camp.

My world view is right again, thanks!

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 19, 2008 10:45 PM (kKO7A)

26 OK..I need to answer this:

Read his new "fact check:" He's claiming he supported the federal law (in theory; he didn't have to vote on it) because federal law does not actually have any effect on state abortion law, and opposed the identical state version, because state laws can affect, um, state laws.

Let's see - I had one semester of American Constitutional Law, and remember reading more than one case where the SCOTUS upheld the Constitution in the fact that FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES STATE LAW in those areas that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has jurisdiction over.

I guess that Barry O didn't have his recommended daily allowance of arugula the day that the subject was taught at Harvard Law...somebody needs to find the fucking balls to revoke Barry's law license, and quick...

Constitutional Lawyer, my pasty white ass...

Posted by: Eeyore's Swinging Sack at August 19, 2008 11:10 PM (vYc9j)

27 I thought the same thing, Eeyore.
And every now and then I teach about the Supremacy Clause.
But, hey, maybe I'm the fucking moron here.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at August 19, 2008 11:37 PM (e321h)

28
Good: Obama '08: Now With More Infanticide Than Ever!

Better: Obama '08: Keep Infanticide Legal

Posted by: fredras at August 19, 2008 11:45 PM (ZHsEK)

29 There's the old joke that the state law schools teach law as practiced in that state, the regional schools teach law as practiced on the federal level and the Ivy Leagues teach law as practiced on Mars. The realm of pure theory is all that Obama knows. Practical application is beneath him.

I'm not exactly an Operation Rescue supporter here but for pity's sake we're talking infanticide. I cannot fathom that there's even a discussion as to the legal status or rights of a child that is no longer in the mother's body. To allow that child to die is evil.

Obama can try to spin this all he wants, but this is an issue that people understand. He's lying. And he supports infanticide.

Call me a racist for pointing it out. I'd rather be that than someone who tolerates the murder of a newborn child.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 19, 2008 11:54 PM (jCGID)

30 Barry O sez

"Infanticide should be safe, legal and rare."

"The choice of infanticide should be between a woman and her doctor abortion provider."

"You racists!"

Posted by: fredras at August 19, 2008 11:56 PM (ZHsEK)

31 Thanks, Nom - I also thought that I was a member of the "Fucking Moron" club...

Alex - I'm with you on that...

Posted by: Eeyore's Swinging Sack at August 20, 2008 12:00 AM (vYc9j)

32 Even better than that: Obama '08: Keep Infanticide Safe And Legal

(But, you know, with some mealy-mouthed pronouncements in the party platform about "reducing" the number of infanticides to kind of placate the rubes.)

Posted by: Sean M. at August 20, 2008 12:06 AM (e6v7s)

33 Great Moron minds, etc.

Posted by: Sean M. at August 20, 2008 12:07 AM (e6v7s)

34 Hmm. So based on those who might actually know something here, the modified corollary of a classic:

Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach.

Those neither capable of doing nor teaching get fast-tracked via political acquaintances and run for President, propped up by others' money, talent, and institutionally sympathetic media machine.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 20, 2008 12:17 AM (sI5Ho)

35 Obama is as nuanced as the sewage plant.

I do not understand how stupid so many people choose to be and to remain in order to support Obama and the entire democrat mental bureaucracy.

A significant and productive square peg simply will not fit through his lousy "O" to end all production, and the peg will not abide being cut down to size and forced through the Obama drain, and will not be made malleable in order to conform amiably into his damned hole.

The totalitarian bastard can f*ck himself since no one with any sense wants the plagues he carries: Obama The Unclean.

Posted by: maverick muse at August 20, 2008 02:20 AM (F1b/5)

36 I think that everybody is missing the true benefit of Obama's plan. This law makes abortion less common - because now parents can just use infanticide instead. He should be running ads in evangelical circles "I passed a law encouraging parents to choose birth instead of abortion".

Posted by: Rachel at August 20, 2008 02:34 AM (b+aUE)

37
Richard J. Daley, i.e., Richard I of Chicago, is reputed to have once said, "Let us rise to ever higher and higher platitudes!" Looks like Captain Bullshit took that advise to heart.

Posted by: Brown Line at August 20, 2008 02:38 AM (OMiLl)

38 When asked to vote on a bona fide law (a law-type law, with actual legal effect, as opposed to the "thinky" sort of thought-experiment virtual "law" Obama prefers) he either courageously votes present or cries that it was unfair to ask him to vote on a law that actually might change the law.

But if he is elected POTUS I can totally trust him to take a stand and put his ass on the line to save my life and the lives of all other Americans when the shit hits the fan.

(excepting newborn infant/parasites, of course)

Posted by: lauraw at August 20, 2008 02:41 AM (DbybK)

39 Hmmmm

This issue is frankly horrific and not one I like reading about. I wouldn't think it would require a FUCKING LAW for an infant born successfully to get medical attention or to even be fucking recognized as a goddamn human being.

In a fucking hospital!

Posted by: memomachine at August 20, 2008 03:29 AM (3PLow)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76foO3Gqx-M

Last night Bob Beckel went into attack mode on Hannity and Colmes. "The Republican's are trying to smear Obama by saying he wants to kill babies. Shame on you."

Dude, he supports Roe v Wade. Do you think that they spontaneously become babies in the magical mystery of the birth canal? No. You assholes have been killing babies all along. It's not like they were going to grow up to be puppies. If they were, PETA would be on our side.

Add to that, the left is full of people that call the troops "baby killers" and yet they actually celebrate killing babies. Seriously, you people don't seem to get it. No one buys that Obama is even remotely pro-life. Why all the hissy fit?

Look, your Messiah is a baby killer, deal with it. He has. Infact, he's voted that way more than once.

Posted by: Rob B at August 20, 2008 04:18 AM (+CMbq)

41
He has always voted in the Senate, we just don't know about it.

In fact, as soon as he got out of Harvard Law, he was actually in the US Senate, doing stuff, like, voting and stuff like that.

The guy is a fucking powerhouse of intellectual toweringness and stuff, his mere presence in a room raises the occupants' IQs 30 points.

Because he is very smart and is able to think, because no one else in the US can think except Barry. Everyone else in the US, especially insane POW Vietnam Vets, is incapable of being smart, and thinking, like Barry. Is it so bad to have a President that can think over things, slowly and ponderously, while taking a nice walk in the park with his kids, and playing catch and basketball with the neighborhood teens?

Isn't that what we need, just to slow down a lot and let things play out for a bit before anyone acts on anything?

Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz Fucking Fuck Off Fuck at August 20, 2008 06:16 AM (DmCUL)

42 Nothing says hope like murdering your baby.

Maybe Obama and his supporters would like to explain to these folks that they never had a right to live.

Posted by: Warden at August 20, 2008 06:26 AM (KXbGD)

43 New Obama logo, that reflects his "pro choice" views, right here.

Posted by: Nice Deb at August 20, 2008 07:26 AM (rpUFK)

44 Well he says it's above his paygrade. So he is admitting he's not up to the job then. I was floored when he said that.

I thought for a second he would say "it's the people's decision not mine" but he didn't. He just doesn't want to take positions. Unless it's saying he will pull us out of Iraq, but not if it destabilizes Iraq, and in consultation with the Generals, and 5 other caveats.

At least he is strong on not taking union special interest dollars, except when Hillary is out of the picture, and they are offering him money.

Well wait.. there must be something he believes in...

Posted by: plutosdad at August 20, 2008 10:06 AM (Ra76/)

45 there must be something he believes in.

Apparently it's infanticide.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 20, 2008 10:25 AM (SHHaV)

46 Audio of Obama speaking when this bill was before his committee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Apparently he was against this because bringing in a second doctor for emergency care of a aborted baby born alive is simply designed to "burden the original decision" of the mother who wished to abort.

The guy is the one alright. He's one sorry fucking excuse for a human being.

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