1

KSM's "trial" is plainly going to be a show trial, but the real question is what "the show" is going to be about (and we all have a pretty good idea about what that's going to be), since its OBVIOUSLY NOT going to be KSM, since a military tribunal could have convicted and sentenced him to die a long time ago, saving the taxpayers a monstrously expensive spectacle.

I mentioned this the other night.  It's going to be the distraction that keeps on giving" for O'Bama.  With our media, we'll have months of attention directed toward Bush and Cheney.  No one will be looking at the shitsome cloaca that is the O'Bama administration. 

Never let a good crisis go to waste.  Corollary:  Never let the opportunity for a good crisis slip by.

2

These LIBTARD FRAUDS, so concerned that the world see's us giving people their due justice.  That bad bad evil Bush didn't give them the justice that the world requires. 
So what does the FLUNKY OBAMATRON do.  He tells the world how he'll give them a FAIR TRIAL, then  he'll HANG THEM.

Obama is complete fuck up.

3 All because Barry's daddy didn't love him.

4 John smallberries, this whole HOLDER/OBAMA fraud is calculated for Obama to pose for Holy Pictures and show how honorable he and America are now.  And even before he can PRETEND he steps on his own little dick.
The ENTIRE Opie Administration is inept, incompetant and so full of hubris that it makes me puke.

5 Hey, nothin' wrong with a good show trial and execution! Keeps those masses in line if you ask me.

6 All it is is a show trial to prosecute the Bush Administration by proxy through the defense lawyers. Obama doesn't have the balls to do it himself directly, so he's doing it in a round about way to placate to his liberal nutjobs. They don't realize that by putting forward the trial, with an already predetermined ending is more of an assault against our rules of laws than not putting them in civilian system.

7 Robes, problem is Obama set up the show, but doesn't have the ability to set up the outcome.  There CANNOT be a good outcome.  Give me a scenario in which Obama "best laid plans" work out to anyone's satisfaction.

8 I believe Judge Ito is available for the trial.

9 Soviet Judge: Velcome to your trial. You are guilty. How do you plead?

10
With Obama yucking it up with reporters about his position as United States Superior Court Trial Judge and Jury, he has guaranteed the defendants will challenge the impartiality of the court and the contamination of the jury pool.

This arrogant fuck taught Constitutional Law? 

11 That was a sock joke, Gus

12 I have been saying for days that this KSM trial can be nothing BUT a show trial. I'm glad bigger voices than mine are picking up on the meme.

13 I don't know where they're going to find 12 people who've been in a coma since the Clinton years and just woke up.

14

The worst thing about Obama is that people have to decide whether he is a nefarious Marxist or just the biggest fuck up of all time.

He is both.   His intentions are to remake America into some fucked up JUVENILE idea of Marxist Utopia.  But Obama isn't capable of pulling off a major conspiracy, so he just muddles along fucking up anything and everything he touches.  And he considers that a success because after all the remaking of  America as we know it, involves breaking down the old ways.  Obama isn't even breaking down our old ways on purpose.  He's just fucking up day in and day out.  Obama thinks he is much much brighter than he is.  In fact, Obama is not very bright at all.

15 Purple, In Congress?

16 Test 123

17 I don't know where they're going to find 12 people who've been in a coma since the Clinton years and just woke up. Posted by: Purple Avenger I think there are plenty in the 52%.

18 Can't get the toolbar to work, so I won't post the post I'd post if the post could be posted.

19
After Judge Obama altered the course of history by bringing the al Qaeda prisoners to America for the show trial, only Judge Wapner is able to read and interpret the law correctly to provide a fair outcome.  Judge Judy, not so much. 

20 Obama could care less if KSM walks, because that is not why they are doing this. This trials sole purpose is to attempt to do damage to the Republican Party via the Bush administration's use of coercive interrogation. This isn't about KSM, it's POLITICAL, like all show trials are.

21 BTW, the LA Times went after Nixon for "prejudging" Manson as guilty.

22 I wouldn't want to be the judge assigned this one.  This trial is a career killer.

23 Obama thinks he is much much brighter than he is.  In fact, Obama is not very bright at all.

Posted by: gus at November 18, 2009 11:49 PM (MaqIC)

Nothing is scarier than a supremely self-confident imbecile with power.

24
I have concern for the agency operatives who will be subpoenaed to testify in public, and their names will be printed in the NYT and other liberal rags.  This is a direct threat to the families and men who performed the interrogation services after receiving guarantees their actions were legal in accordance with current law. 

25

Nothing is scarier than a supremely self-confident imbecile with power.

Posted by: Cicero at November 18, 2009 11:54 PM (+AEJn)

 

No shit

26 Of course the government is OK with fixing the outcome of civilian trials.  Google for David Olofson and read all about it.

27 I have concern for the agency operatives who will be subpoenaed to testify in public

Their best option to keep their families safe is to resign and move to some remote location in another country using a different name and don't return until this bullshit is over and done.

28 This might be way the hell worse than anything any of you guys have said yet. Depends who the defense team is. Look them up, all of them, and find out who sent them, all of them, once they're set.

29 I am surprised that this dip shit did not ship KSM off to the Hague to stand trial at the World Court....

30

A normal person with an i.q. of 120 or higher, a person with a college education Ivy League, or flyover country or JUCO, would realize that bringing these TERRORISTS into America and trying them in our Federal Criminal System presents some INHERENT problems at first cursory glance.

Under our criminal code, the accused have MIRANDA RIGHTS.  They also have the right to counsel before questioning.  There are numerous other RIGHTS that the ACCUSED are afforded under our Criminal code, that were not OBSERVED vis a vis these "MUZZTARD" gentlemen.

ERGO, there are only 2 viable, reasonable, LOGICAL, conclusions that can be drawn.

1) Obama et al, the CLOWNS, who have spouted out nonsense about HABEAS CORPUS,  etc....REALIZE that under our Constitution and Criminal code, granting these MUZZTARDS, alleged criminal status, these MUZZTARD gentlemen CANNOT BE CONVICTED CONSTITUTIONALLY.

OR

2) Obama, Holder and these hacks are as STUPID as a BOX of TAMPONS.

31 "notion of rigging civilian trials.

That is a pretty chilling revelation."

...but don't waterboard them or torture them with green jello. 

32 No shit.

33

If the Present really has the legal education he is purported to have, he must know that he's given the defense their 1st pre-trial motion: to dismiss the case. I mean, for fuck's sake- if the President of the United States goes on live TV and says a defendant WILL be convicted and WILL be executed, then what the fuck do we have a court system for?

This is insane. I sock-puppeted as 'caligula' above, but this is the sort of shit that Caligula did.

34

Come on, gus. Tampons are useful.

35
Will arise early to engage the enemy.

Goodnight veterans and Taps.

36 One step closer to the gulags.

37 then maybe this will be his waterloo.

MyGov - in the itunes app store.

38 33 Jones,

Remember, Obama was NOT a "law professor."  He was a "lecturer."  Anyone can be a "lecturer" --  she-who-shall-not-be-named with Teh Crazy, the stalker, was a "lecturer."

39

SoCal, shipping the MUZZTARDS to the Netherlands, does not give Opie the chance to show how much BETTER and how MORALLY SUPERIOR in a EUROTRASH way Opie is.  If  you follow OPIES words and Rhetoric from JUMP-STREET, you'll realize that Opie thinks his PRETEND WORLD makes him a MORAL GIANT.   His first EXECUTIVE ORDER.   He is closing GITMO within a year.    Nice idea Opie the FUCKTARD DIMWIT, welcome to the real world where MEN have to make decisions with REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES.

The CHOICE of CIVILIAN TRIAL in NEW YORK, was calculated.

I Opie the big eared dimwit, will show the world how America SHOULD be.

Oooooops, then came the REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES.

Obama isn't smart or mature enough to think these things through.  He is an emotionally immature freak.

40 Obama's crew ain't all dumb....somebody thought of a way to manipulate the news cycles for ,,,oh,, say about 4 years with this "show trial" while Pelosi and her comrades are shoving through health care, cap and trade, and God only knows what else.  The media is myopic, and with them fixated on KSM, making sure he and all his crazy, anti-American rants are heard, we won't hear jacksquat about what Congress is doing...or the economy....or unemployment,,,or Goldmansachs....

41 BTW ... why is The Precedent in Asia? I don't recall ever hearing a reason for this trip, other than a little chit-chat. Don't get me wrong, I hope he stays there ... either drop him off back home in Indonesia or let him down in Afghanistan ... or Pah-kee-stahn, which he loves to visit. Is he headed to the International Space Station, next?

As to the show trial - the trial is for the prosecution to attack the US, so as far as the America-haters in the White House are concerned, it's cool. And, I don't see where you thought they would have any respect for the judicial system, anyway. The Precedent made a mockery of the eligibility issue (and got away with it, unbelievably) and has shown himself to have nothing but contempt for any and all of our institutions and traditions.

We are in the end game, here. Truly.

42 Ah, all systems go, finally.

From A Man for All Seasons:

ROPER: So now you'd give the Devil the benefit of law!

MORE: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

ROPER: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

MORE (Roused and excited) Oh? (Advances on ROPER) And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you--where would you hide Roper, the laws all being flat? (He leaves him) The country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast--man's laws, not God's--and if you cut them down--and you're just the man to do it--d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? (Quietly) Yes, I'd give the Devil the benefit of the law, for my own safety's sake.

I am not necessarily a tremendous fan of the American legal culture, either of the prosecutorial side or defense side. Each have their excesses, and increasingly seem to be defined by their excesses. I am not sure that some of the Warren Court decisions were essentially legislative decisions beyond the court's purview, and thus were bad decisions. I do believe that the American judiciary has grown to big for its britches and is increasingly viewing itself as Plato's guardians. And finally, I believe that for an average citizen, merely to be tried is a sentence in itself.

Thus, I say that I believe that this human creation, the American criminal justice system, has flaws, as all human creations do. But, I also believe that it is certainly, when compared to all that has come before, something that when the histories of the American Republic are written centuries hence, can be viewed as something to be honored for.

And thus, it is quite simple. If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is tried in a civilian criminal court he must be given all the same procedural protections as any American citizen who so found himself charged by his government. This means that he should be released if he is acquitted, and that the standards of evidence and procedure the government must go through must be the same as for a domestic defendant. Otherwise, we will eventually cut a great road through the law to try men who should never be tried in that venue at all.

We need another system for accomplishing what are essentially imprisonment for reasons of state of international stateless enemies at war with us, and if one does not wish it to be made of military personnel that is fine, another system can be created, but it should not be the existing criminal justice system.

As we used to have separate Admiralty courts, and as we have separate tax courts, so we should have separate terrorist courts, operating on completely different standards, ones suitable for geopolitical affairs of nations fighting stateless enemies.

43 I cheered when Lindsay Graham put the smack down on Holder....but then I wondered, do you think it will be tomorrow he will apologize?  or do you think he will wait til Friday?

44 And by a separate court, I do not mean the International Criminal Court. Europe has its values, and we have ours. Let us stand by our values, and let them stand by theirs.

45

Jones, Opie is a graduate of both COLUMBIA (undergrad) and Harvard (J.D.).

He has the sheapskins from both Universities.   Do yourself a big big favor.  Look up/google and read Michelle Obama's Princeton THESIS.

It is abject sub-junior-high nonsensical racial grievance CRAPOLA.

Both Obama's are and were AFFIRMATIVE ACTION cases.   Neither have EVER been challenged nor required to show any MERIT for the jobs they have held.

We've all seen the commercial where the Prom Queen is being named and it turns out to be a DOWN SYNDROME girl.    Everyone cheers and claps because they have sympathy and empathy.   That is Affirmative Action.  That is the RACIAL GRIEVANCE culture.  Being "Black" or whatever, is a substitute for MERIT.  Long story short.  Giving someone an Ivy League slot, grant-in-aid, scholarship or any other advantage merely because of the RACE checked off on the application has real world consequences.

46 I urge calm, gentle subject. You have nothing to worry about. When you are arrested for failing to purchase your fair share of Health and Wellness Credits, you will find out that your prison sentence is completely fair and just.

47 In the USSR, this used to be known as a "show trial".

That's OK. For the past 10 months, we've had a "show" presidency, so it's all good.

Those big styrofoam Greek columns during Obama's DNC speech should have been a warning to us all.

48 Gus, are you making any headway with your demographic?   I really want to know.  I suspect you are in the 24-30 age group.  Are they listening?
Is your delivery approach working? 

You are preaching to the choir here, so to speak.  So what are you doing to sway your contemporaries who voted for this bastard? If you could harness that passion, where and to whom would you focus it upon?

49 43 I cheered when Lindsay Graham put the smack down on Holder....but then I wondered, do you think it will be tomorrow he will apologize? or do you think he will wait til Friday?

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 19, 2009 12:12 AM (Jyuxh)

Lady Lindsay did a nice job in the hearing, but don't forget that Lindsay also voted YEA on Holder's confirmation - against all reasonable opinion and request. Anyone with a brain knew that Holder was a total POS without a brain who hated America almost as much as The Precedent, but Lindsay still wanted to "get along" and voted him in. Next, Lindsay will be trying to smack down Sotomayor for some insane opinion she gives, when, again, it was Lindsay whose vote was necessary to get Sotomayor, the great Empathizer and non-user of adjectives - to a vote in the judiciary committee.

I'm with you on Lady Lindsay's latest performance, but what led up to this is mind-blowing.

50 Tom Maguire has a theory that deserves attention.  He thinks Holder picked Manhattan specifically because the last time terrorists were tried there, the jury rejected the death penalty.  In fact, it's the single least likely jurisdiction to send anyone to death row.

Choosing Manhattan lets Obama and Holder look tough by demanding a death penalty they know they'll never get from a jury.  Perfect cover.

51

Unless KSM's lawyer knows about YouTube and watches this starting at 1:50.

KSM's lawyer:  Your honor, my client was never read his Miranda rights...

Judge:  Case dismissed. 

52 Obama was there for the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) forum, progressoverpeace, along with other Pacific-bordering national leaders.

53 This is going to backfire.  A lot of people voted Dem to get away from the Bush/Cheney years, rightly or wrongly.  Seeing the Bush administration on trial every night for months is just about the exact opposite of what probably 80% of the country wants.  The people voted for Bush/Cheney to go away, but Obama won't let them go.

Plus, if there is no conviction Obama is fucked. 

54 "I'm with you on Lady Lindsay's latest performance, but what led up to this is mind-blowing.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 19, 2009 12:18 AM (A46hP)"

Oh, totally agree.  Graham's a POS , in my mind, but I enjoyed the moment between him and Holder today.  But, you're right,,Holder slid into office on Graham's slimey backside.

55

Jim Geraghty has the same view, Strick, re. the death penalty. 

That's because in the feds' few past tries at the death penalty for foreign terrorists, they lost. And New York juries are seen as among the least likely to agree--unanimously, as the law requires--on execution.

[story link at Just One Minute]

56

Prettypink, Opies cadre of dishonest hacks is not completely stupid.

Emanuel and Axelrod, are manipulative, power hungry, bullies and they plot a strategy that does not completely MELD with what Obama wants.

The attempt to RIP and DESTROY.....FOX...was completely thought out and was a very disturbing STRATEGY.  It failed.  But what it did do for those like me who are as smart as Opies hacks, and who are very observant, was to give a glimpe into how FOR KEEPS these motherfucking dead serious hacks play.

The Joe the Plumber episode should ring a bell.

The twin HACK brain trust of Axelrod and Emanuel have no interest in the policies as much as they are the NO HOLDS BARRED CHICAGO STYLE WRECKING CREW.  They do not necessarily share OPIES JUVENILE MARXIST FANTASY, but they do share his POWER, and they share the CASH that the future brings for them.  It's not an ideology for the Axelrod/Emanuel Chicago-thug-ocracy, it's the power, cash, control and all that comes with it.

Both Axelrod and Emanuel are Jews.  There is no way that they completely understand Obama.  They are mercenaries.  It's about power and the access to the highest echelons on earth.

57 KSM's lawyer:  Your honor, my client was never read his Miranda rights...

Is anyone sure about this? He was captured in Pesharwar. Do we really know if he was or was not read his miranda rights? My husband said that he heard a general state today that he was indeed read miranda.

Anyone?

58 Derak, I have no idea what you ballgame is, but I am in my forties.

59

The words that Obama and Holder use are disturbing; so disturbing that it sounds like a case can be made to dismiss all charges against KSM.

Perhaps Holder learned something from the Philadelphia NBPP case walk-away, specifically that he needs a reason to walk away.

What are the chance that Holder's going for some sort of "tampering" / "tainted jury" dismissal option?

60 Lindsey got his nice little sound bite to appease the bitter clingers, now its back to the center!  The fact that Lindsey voted to confirm that asshole Holder is proof that he is an idiot and has to go.

61

I always said that as horrible as Bush was (in my view), he'd be resurrected by history, much as Truman, Eisenhower, and a number of other presidents were.

I never realized it'd be this quickly for so many Americans (myself included).

Show trials go against everything America stands for. The only thing worse would be for our leader to bow to royal . . .

I'll stop there.

62 You all are overthinking.  This was off-prompter.  Obama's an imbicile.  He wasn't making the gaffe of inadvertant truth-telling; he was making the gaffe of inadvertant being the president.

63 AndrewsDad @ 51:

You beat me to the point. How could they ever go to trial, after having granted KSM protection under the bill of rights? He was never Mirandized, he incriminated himself under torture, etc. Holder's response to Graham suggests to me that this decision is the product of a dangerous admixture of stupidity, incompetence, and hubris.

64 "Both Axelrod and Emanuel are Jews.  There is no way that they completely understand Obama.  They are mercenaries.  It's about power and the access to the highest echelons on earth."

Say what?  You wanna rephrase that?

65 You all are overthinking.  This was off-prompter.  Obama's an imbicile.

I agree.  He basically wanted to say "Don't worry your pretty little head about it,  Daddy will take care of everything."  and this is how it came out.  But he also can't allow anything but a guilty verdict in the trials a the same time.

66 ""Don't worry your pretty little head about it,  Daddy will take care of everything.""

You're so polite -- in my head, it went more like "STFU, I won. It goes like I say it goes."

67

Andrews Dad, therein lies the problem that any moron could have foreseen.

Opie the dimwit, grants the MUZZTARDS American criminal justice status.

IN doing so, the CHARGES NECESSARILY MUST BE DISMISSED.

If not, the HOLY PICTURES Obama is posing for, R-NOT-SO-HOLY.

So Bush thoughtfully AVOIDED any giving non-Geneva Convention battle-field TERRORISTS either CIVIL RIGHTS or GENEVA CONVENTION protections, RATHER, Bush and his ADMIN, when faced with a REAL WORLD PROBLEM, thought it through.  LIBTARDS NEVER DO.

Mr. G.W.BUSH (praise be unto him), chose the path of POW/terrorist combatants.  LIBTARDS SHIT THEIR PANTS in POLITICAL POSTURING ANGER.

 

And here we are with OBAMA and another FUCK UP.

Who does Obama's FUCK UP serve????

anyone?
Beuhler??

68

Obama and Holder are just (as usual) talking out of their respective asses.

And they are so deluded, that they think that they are actually sounding tough -- hey everybody, look at us, look how tough we are . . . we're tough, real he-men, don't want to mess with us because we're real ass-kickers, that's how tough we are.  It's all posturing and metrosexual muscle-flexing.  But they really expected the public to buy it.

The problem is -- the whole world knows that they are just a couple of pussies.

69 Obviously the god-king can see the future

70 well Gus, my game is I just emailed my congressperson to start impeachment proceedings against both Holder and Obama because of their egregious disregard for the Constitution and the safety of American citizens in proceeding with this show trial, fwiw, knowing full well it cannot happen in the current environment.

My point is that I appreciate your passion, as I, too want to yell and break dishes and throw knives, as you appear to be doing, but is this working?

Just what the hell are we going to do about this? Can someone come up with something effective, constructive, on target? This is an outrage.

I guess, Gus, I was hoping you were young and could sway a million 18 year olds to storm congress.  They like 'em young.  Us old ones are so much soylent green, ya know.

71

Prettypink?  Why would I rephrase that?  Emanuel and Axelrod are both Jews.

Nothing Obama espouses is favorable or even any way palatable to the cause of Israel or Judaism in any way shape or form.

Why do you think my words are controversial?? 

72 Posted by: Derak at November 19, 2009 12:25 AM (ynZul)

I would think the use of the enhanced interrogation techniques on KSM would come into play as well--which means the government would have to have evidence on him from sources other than his own statements--which they probably have, and will have to present. Thus, members of the jury without security clearances will get access to information and methods that otherwise would never go outside the government, and then, despite all injunctions to the contrary, it may be a matter of only time and money before someone interested in how we nabbed KSM finds out how it was done--all on the QT. Unless, of course, the government proposes to surveil indefinitely members of the jury.

In addition, the use by the government of the Enhanced Interrogration Techniques may play a role in the sentencing, as a reduction item. I am no lawyer, but I am able to understand the logic of the system well enough to know that if this was a domestic crime, like Timothy McVeigh, I would wonder why some of what the government has done would not get the case thrown out. For example, the right to "fair and speedy" trial has been trampled on, for it certainly has not been speedy; and his guilt has been asserted to the public time and time again via government assertion that  he has given information of value--information that was compelled from him, in violation of the Bill of Rights.

Look, I have no problem with the corporal of the guard, in between rounds, taking him out and having the boys shoot him, before they finish policing the area for the evening. He should be tried in a tribunal of some sort, that acts in a manner less encumbered by the criminal court procedures that are designed to guard against governmental tyranny against private citizens.

The tribunals should be more Solomonic in nature, concerned more with ascertaining that the man in front of them is in fact the man sought and has more than likely done the thing charged with. War is hell, after all, and this is a war. Period. It is not a police action. It is a war by a group of individuals attacking a state with the hopes of one day creating their own state, and should be treated as such. 

73 The way you phrased it, it appears you are meaning that because they are Jews, they are mercenaries, etc - being loyal to Obama and interested in profit.  I didn't think that's exactly what you intended to imply,,,so thought perhaps rephrasing was in order. 

74 But you cleared it up...and I meant no harm either.

75 As more and more screw ups by this president take place, the more he looks like Chauncy in "Being There". Can anyone be stupid enough to say that the trial will be successful and the death penalty will be applied? And his left testicle, Holder, seems to be even a duller bulb the the unicorn. As much as I dislike Graham's progressiveness, he did tear Holder a new asshole today.

76

Derak,  Nice post.   Touche.  I love your passion too.  I've done and do MORE than you could know, but I'm not the young dude that  you thought I was.   I am active and I evangelize as a CONSERVATIVE in many ways shapes and forms.    Derak, I live in BLUE-Wisconsin, and I will be part and parcel of the Wisconsin revolution that is about to take place.

I grew up a Democrat, and I rejected the illogical, emotional, dysfunctional, dishonesty that I recognized in the Democrat Party.  I am 100% sure that the DemoLIB party is a cesspool, and I jumped the ship before the infection became terminal.

I know my Congressman, Jim Sensenbrenner, and I'm pleased with virtually every issue he votes on.  He is a "leader" if Republicans can claim to have any.

I also know my former Congressmen including current Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett.  I've known Tom for DECADES.   Tom is running for Governor....AGAIN.  He was WI legislator, US Congressman, lost at Governor, WON as Milwaukee Mayor.   He is running for Governor again.

He is a CAREER politician.  3 PENSIONS.  Trying for 4.

Politics should not be a 4 time career for ANYBODY.

77 KSM should die and fry, and there would be no greater miscarriage of justice than his acquittal or an outright dismissal of the charges. However, if we were to play by Alinsky's rules, we must DEMAND that KSM be afforded every privilege afforded by the Constitution to American citizens. He must have the best possible representation;  he must have an absolutely impartial jury; and the evidence against him must be subjected to minute scrutiny before it is deemed admissible.  Most important, he must be presumed innocent; to convict this man before he has been tried is a gross violation of the rights and privileges he now enjoys, something constitutional scholar and SOOOPER GEEEEN-YUS Barrack Hussein Obama seems to not to notice. If it can be stalled long enough, we might be able to hold out until 2013 when President Palin restores sanity and remands KSM to a military tribunal.

78

Thank you Pretty pink, good food for thought.
Here is my take.

Emanuel and Axelrod are both Jewish.  

Obama's philosphy and his history is CLEAR.  Obama does not like Israel.

In fact, Obama calls himself Christian.  There is ZERO evidence that OBAMA is Christian.   I'm not claiming that Obama is Muslim, but he CLEARLY has a soft spot for ISLAM.  His responses to FORT HOOD are Icing on the cake.

Emanuel and Axelrod, did not sign on for that.  Obama's proclivities CLEARLY fly in the face of the interests of ISRAEL and JUDAISM.

Emanuel and Axelrod are not mercenaries BECAUSE they are JEWISH, the are MERCENARIES and OBAMA'S ANTI-ISRAEL stance is obvious.

Emanuel and Axelrod did not sign on for that, nor have they jumped ship.

79 Well
depends on the meaing of "when" and "if" and "is"

that came from another famous lawyer, I believe, who was disbarred in his own home State...

80 It is a war by a group of individuals attacking a state with the hopes of one day creating their own state, and should be treated as such.

It is a clash of civilizations, in other words.  I see no way to combat this unless and until our government acknowledges the reality.  And given our culture of "diversity", this will not happen anytime soon.  It has taken a generation to get to this level of insanity. It won't change overnight without a massive, uh.... firestorm.  And I fear that as well, because these communists foment civil war to break down the status quo in order to build their new paradigm.   Tread verrrrry carefully. 

81 5 ...and we all know what happened to you.
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82 i don't know if anyone has brought this up but it's quite interesting the admin. made the decision long before they dropped the information to the public conveniently after this could have been made as a topic of discussion for the people of nyc during their recent elections for mayor

83 Hey all you out there:
KSM should not be executed. This is what he wants, it will make him a martyr and rally his supporters a lot more out there.  I say put him in isolated solitaire confinement, no human contact for 20 years.  No books, no TV, nothing.  Once he goes in, never mention his name again.  This would be the worst punishment.

This whole trial will be one giant grandstand for KSM and the Islamofascists.
The media will lap it up like dogs.  The end result?  I predict a near - dismissal because a lot of evidence against him can't come out lest the compromise the intelligence. 

He already, publically and freely, before his capture, admited being behind the murder of thousands of innocents.
So, I guess I diverge here and have to ask, why a trial in the first place?

The problem for the US legal system is there is no provision to deal with Combatants who do not fight with a uniform.  Technically, these guys do not fall under ANY Geneva Conventions protections (way to long to post here, so look it up and read the details), anyway, so why bother with the whole legal circus? 

84 "We'll give him a fair trial and then a first-class hangin'"

85

Derak, the reality is that ISLAMOFASCISTS attacked America because they had ISLAMOFASCIST grievances.

If a KKK unit attacked a MOSQUE or a JEWISH SYNAGOGUE or TEMPLE, ................would THEIR GRIEVANCES be .....CONSIDERED or even contemplated??

Notice that KKK units do not and have not caused murderous HAVOC for whatever their ridiculous grievances might be.

What we have here, is the LIBERAL mind set, that those who commit EVIL, surely cannot be evil.  Only Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, George W Bush and Sarah Palin are evil and worthy of HATE and SCORN.  Furthermore, anything these NICE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS did, was  CAUSED by the DREAMS OF MY FATHER!!  errrr, I mean, caused by GEORGE BUSH.

Less than 5 minutes after the second WTC tower was hit by Flying Muzztards who had SLIT 115lb Stewardesses throats for their GOD ...ALLAH.....,  I called my dysfunctional, failure, unhappy , Libtard older brother.   I said..."maybe this attack on America is what will bring us all back TOGETHER".  (less than 5 minutes after 2 GIGANTIC BUILDINGS within 5 blocks of my Grandfathers former office sat).

My unhappy brother said.  "I HOPE NOT'.

I learned about LIBTARDS that day. 

There is no middle ground with LIBTARDS.   If you don't abide.  They hate you.

I'm still standing.

86 76 gus, I don't know what to do.  I vacillate between settin' up the cabin w/ survival provisions with plans to hunker down (done and DONE) and getting seriously active politically.  (gallows and guiottines?)
I've played the "what can I live with" game for the last 9 months. Socialism? communism? where do I draw the line? What am I willing to die for?
I am quite certain we are at one of those crossroads of history.
I think I'm going for the woods to organize the resistance.
Come 'n get me, fkkers. I dare ya.

Then again, I could just settle down and watch TV.  It ain't that bad, right?

87 57 KSM's lawyer:  Your honor, my client was never read his Miranda rights...

Is anyone sure about this? He was captured in Pesharwar. Do we really know if he was or was not read his miranda rights? My husband said that he heard a general state today that he was indeed read miranda.

Anyone?

IIRC, when he was taken into custody, he said he'd talk to the American's in New York, via his lawyer. Clearly, any court would see that as a refusal to speak without the presence of counsel. And having requested counsel, any and all statements (and any and all evidence uncovered as a result of any statements) would be suppressed at trial.

88

Derak, how old are you and what is your life situation.

I'm not a wall flower, and I'm not saying that I need to collect canned goods yet, BUT, I have considered a new gun etc. 
I believe, and I am obviously able to express my beliefs logically without being too emotional, that Obama is not honest.  He is not capable, and a more finite notion is that Obama does not RESPECT our Constitution, nor does he have ANY INTENTION or "supporting and defending" our Constitution if circumstances and oppurtunity dictate otherwise.

Obama is not honest.  He is not wise.  He is not a good person.  Obama does not love America as it HAS existed.

I've heard for years the LIBTARD derisive query....  "Are you questioning my Patriotism" and my answer has always been.

FUCK YES, I QUESTION EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU.

89 Panic Squawk by the administration. Are they tone  deaf??????

90

XBradTC, any LIBTARD who has witnessed any COP SHOW, would realize that a CRIMINAL SUSPECT, having the MIRANDA rights neglected and not read specifically in any and various languages, will have his case thrown out summarily.

Obama and Holder are even smart enough to realize this.

Supposing the Miranda and 5th amendment right abrogations are IGNORED because of the SEVERE nature of the CRIME.................... Wouldn't this INJUSTICE make Opie the DIMWITS' attempt to REHAB a ROGUE AMERICA  a complete farce in the WORLDVIEW, rendering this a KANGAROO COURT and a laughing stock WORLDWIDE???

What is the BEST CASE SCENARIO based on OBAMA/HOLDERS CLOWNISH logic?? 

91 @81... is that you Danton? You got it first ya jerk.

92

If there were any rational judges in Manhattan, it would be:

Scumbag Lawyer: Your Honor, my client was not read his Miranda rights.

Judge: If your client is Khalid Sheik Mohammed, of the Al Qeda organization, this court's function is only to identify him. If he is KSM, he has no rights under the Contitution. If he is KSM, then he is to be remanded to a Military Tribunal as directed under the Rules and Customs of War, given a hearing and executed by hanging within a day. It is my desire to append to these court minutes my strong recommendation that his rotting body not be cut down from the gallows for three years, all while having a herd of diseased pigs fed under his dripping corpse. These pigs, if healthy, should be periodically injected with pathogens and parasites and hand-fed to every one of his living compatriates we have in custody until they themselves are hanged like dead meat.

Your curious recitation of an irrelevant fact is noted. In exchange, I will tell you that my toe itches. Now shut up.

 

93 87- so xbradTC, dismissal?  Seems to be.

Gus- we're mid aged kidless, fit and in a relatively remote mountainous location of the country near the Canadian Border.  We're geared up to be able to move in any terrain, any weather, and we're flush. Owe no one nuthin.

These islamofacists are the greatest threat we will ever face.  I feel really bad for the urban areas.  I'm not sure they will see what is happening until it literally explodes.

Back to the tv.  Calms the nerves, ya know. (it's not so bad,it's not so bad, it's not so bad, it's not so bad.............)

94 To every stinking New Yorker who voted for this insane idiot...How's his balls taste today?

95 And there goes laptop battery boy, calming everyones nerves.  Good on ya, big boy. Yes, lets talk about the little working people. God love 'em.

96

As gus mentions, there are two big problems for the prosecution...

1. Miranda Rights

2. KSM taking the 5th

Not sure taking the 5th is where KSM wants to go, but if you consider no Miranda rights, plus the "torture" used to extract evidence (which will probably not be admissable) and his initial guilty plea (again, provided under duress), it looks like the prosecution is screwed straight out of the box - full stop.

If he wasn't interested in having a platform in front of a world audience, taking the 5th would seem like the way to go- puts the entire burden on the prosecution, who can't use any of the evidence because of the way it was acquired or it would reveal our methods.

The incompetence of this administration is simply astounding.

 

97 I really don't care if these guys get the same justice the rest of us should be getting as a American citizens. A pistol and a room with a drain would save a lot of time. This is all just a distraction, Obama gives the media any small thing to cover instead of him so he can get away with his real transformative agenda behind close doors.

98 Obie's political grave just gets deeper by the day, largely at his own hands.

So much for the guy being "smart", eh?

99

Nothing is scarier than a supremely self-confident imbecile with power.

Posted by: Cicero at November 18, 2009 11:54 PM (+AEJn)

Isn't that term "active stupid?"  I'd much prefer he was lazy stupid.

100 Derak, stay in touch,  You are one of the good ones.

101 I am no lawyer, but I know lots of them, and even some judges. Evidence obtained via coercion (torture) is referred to "fruit from the poisoned tree" and is inadmissible. Secondly, Obama has, by his own assertions today, tainted almost the entire jury pool. Where will they find someone who has not heard what he said today? This thing is FUBAR.

102 Hmmm, I was just thinking. Is this Pres. Obama's self inflicted Carter moment that proves beyond a shadow of doubt his incompetence as a leader?

103 Hmmm, I was just thinking. Is this Pres. Obama's self inflicted Carter moment that proves beyond a shadow of doubt his incompetence as a leader?

No, Obama's abject incompetence as a leader was readily apparent to those who were paying attention long before this.

104 Ordering Summary Executions for those jokers (instead of sending them to NY for a show trial) would be less disrepectful to the Rule of Law. BTW, can the Prez legally order summary executions for many of the Gitmo prisoners?

105

Can somebody tell me why anyone thinks this douchebag is smart?

Yeah, he went to Columbia and Harvard.  Stupid ol' Bush went to Harvard and Yale.  Bush was a legacy, Bambi was an affirmative action admission.

Do we have any objective evidence that Bambi is the most smartest asshole ever to think he could lower the oceans?

106 I thought he was unacceptable as a leader when during the election he said he wouldn't weaponize space under any circumstances.   Everything since then has been gravy.

107 It'll be interesting to see if this really happens.

I'm honestly astounded that Holder and Obama would try to do this. 

The public expects this guy to be charged, tried, convicted, and executed, and the sooner the better.  

So now we're going to have a trial that is either (a) so obviously rigged that one might as well use Sergio Beria's biography of his father to swear in witnesses or (b) subject to a succession of evidentiary 'gotchas' that are going to take two points off Obama's beauty-contest numbers every time something goes against the prosecution. 

I really do not understand the motivation here.  Maybe Holder thinks he'll use the trial as an expository forum on the evils of the Bush War on Terror.  Maybe he thinks this is somehow good for NYC.  Regardless, he's marching off into terra incognita, an environment of great uncertainty where the possible upside is quite limited but the potential for surprises damaging to this administration is quite great.

108 The next question is if the Obama administration has intentionally setup a show trial for one man with a predetermined outcome and penalty, they've just proven they're OK with the notion of rigging civilian trials.







A peak into the future of non-Obamaton Americans.

109 A clear example of the 9/10 mindset to which the left has joyfully returned, up to and including a level of political correctness that even the United States Army was unable to interfere with the murderous plans of a known terrorist sympathizer whose professional skill level had been rated dangerously incompetent already. 

Nice job by Lindsey Graham, though.  About a thousand more such performances, backed by votes in the Senate, and he will be almost back to even.  Doubt he'll have the time, though, between fetching McCain's coffee and changing his Depends.

110 Hey all you out there:
KSM should not be executed. This is what he wants, it will make him a martyr and rally his supporters a lot more out there.


I'd refer you to, of all people, Tom Clancy (paraphrased). "Martyrs all have one thing in common. They're dead."

With a few notable exceptions, martyrs are hugely overrated. It's been three years since he was blown up, but when was the last time anyone mentioned Abu Musab al-Zarqawi?

111

@109

With a show trial, all we will need are...

Lawyers, guns and money

112

The Uber-Yutz has set himself up for the inevitable question:  if KSM et al deserve a trial in criminal court, what the FRACK is he doing hunting down and killing his KSM's Buds with Predators???

Do we identify Mafia hitmen in the US , for example, and send in SWAT teams (or Predators, for that matter) to blow them unawares into tiny, bite-sized chunks for their German Shepards to gobble up?

But if we don't kill them , they are entitled to full Constitutional Rights?

Whaaaaa?

 

 

113 He'll show the same consideration when YOU are shipped off to the FEMA camp. spit

114 People, people.  Getting KSM into a civilian court IS the goal.   After that, either outcome will be bad for America and that's the whole point.  It's yet another strike on America, a legal 9/11 if you will, perpetrated by the POTUS for real this time.

115 I'm no lawyer, but if they disregard all the stuff mentioned before and either execute KSM anyway or hold him after he is (God forbid) acquitted, doesn't that set precedent so they could do the same to anyone?

116 I'm no lawyer, but if they disregard all the stuff mentioned before and either execute KSM anyway or hold him after he is (God forbid) acquitted, doesn't that set precedent so they could do the same to anyone?



I don't know, let me think.....YES!!!!

117 Is the AG going to repeal "presumed innocent until proven guilty", and "jury of your peers", simply because he wants to be more famous? How is he going to get around "without prejudice"?  Any first year law student would demand a change of venue, then file for dismissal because of violation of rights. Whatever the reasoning it's still treason to give comfort and aid to an enemy.

118 I don't give a shit what gaffs obama makes. As long as this fucker dies

119 doesn't that set precedent so they could do the same to anyone?

That's the bestest part of this whole thing if you ask me!

120

97

My guess is that they're heavily relying on a Pakistani newspaper interview a year before KSM's capture where he admits his involvement AND relying on lesser jihadis to help convict in the hope of lighter sentences.

Still, a major screwup all around. With military tribunals, none of this circus atmosphere would clog up the procedings.

121 @116 in a word, yes.

122 This is just Obama and his fellow travelers (ACORN) demonstrating that have the same regard for the rule of law and our judicial system as they do democracy and our electoral process.

They regard both as mere Kabuki diversions put on to pacify the mewling masses.  Outcomes predetermined by powerful insiders gaming the system.

123 66 ""Don't worry your pretty little head about it,  Daddy will take care of everything.""

You're so polite -- in my head, it went more like "STFU, I won. It goes like I say it goes."

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 19, 2009 12:31 AM (Jyuxh)

I think it was more like, "Who the f*ck do you think you are, asking me a real question?  Don't you know that you, as a member of the media, aren't supposed to challenge my omniscience and celestial wisdom?"

124

125 Our President is a madman.

And a douchebag.

126 The sentinel meme to monitor is "extremists" - this is the language I've been hearing from false flag callers into our "hate radio".  Miranda and habeas are of course the near term fall out from these Holder's shennanigans, but beyond the obvious circus KSM can create and possible subpoena of Bush II et al., I see precedent setting for holding and charging extremists in civilian criminal courts.  It fits - Al- Qaeda acts aren't terrorism, there just extremist views.  Ergo, they are criminalized and prosecuted with special exceptions in US judicial system.  Completing this syllogistic fallacy which the fascist left will undoubtedly employ, any conservative at odds with Obama/media/Pelosi is an extremist, egro he/she forfeits certain rights in criminal cases as established in precedent United States v. Khalid Sheik Mohammed.  We can be arrested, detained without bail, charged and subject to trial without access to counsel or any other rights during custodial interrogation.  , Our Constitutional rights to self incrimination, counsel under custodial interrogation and habeas corpus are legally suspended as the precedent for dealing with extremists (in contrast to their righteous status as enemy combatants) was established in United States v. Khalid Sheik Mohammed.  Civil disobedience on health care reform criminal penalties for failuter to comply = extremist.  You get the picture...

127 Glad President Stalin and AG Beria were able to clear this all up for us...

128 Former AG John Ashcroft says that these show trials are taking power away from SecDef & handing them to Justice. Also, during today's hearings, Sen Jon Kyl (R-AZ) read from Andrew McCarthy's articles on trying terrorists and Holder replied that it was just "polemics" and "fodder for the talk shows."

So, Holder has no legal grounds on which to convene trials, nor does he care. Another article implied that Obama is already planning to throw Holder under the bus if this doesn't work. Regardless, both the Secretary and the President are guilty of breaking the law here.

129 Still conflicted if this motion is to (1) put the Bush Admin on trial by proxy, (2) declare that terrorism will be answered by mere law enforcement, or (3) demonstrate they can do the same to us. If it's all 3, we're beyond screwed.

130 I think it's time to go back to our original strategy.

I'm looking for a link, but so far haven't been successful.  I remember someone saying it during a press conference, they were asked what the troops were doing with the prisoners and the answer was simply that they weren't equipped to deal with any.

131 Should they wish to put to Bush Administration on trial, they should go ahead and do it instead of dragging these thing out for ages. Heaven knows I would love to see how these idiots react after Dick Cheney is through with his testimony.

132 Holder and Obama want him to make the case for Islamic Jihad on prime time television, to support pulling out of Afghanistan.  He'll get a long sentence plus a pardon and explusion from the country when Obama leaves office

133

I could see a jury of people fed up with Obama's shit letting KS M go free just to embarrass him.

Actually, no I can't. But I could see a libtard jury doing something like it to embarrass Bush/Cheney.

134 I think many are missing the point.I believe this isn't so much as a show trail as it is about "setting president" for the rest of the American public. Dear God, right of the bat, the Miranda rights or lack of recieving the MR is tossed out the window. Waterboarding is now a tool in the tool box for me and you in which our government can use, and dont say ....NO WAY DUDE.....If KSM is found "guilty" in the Federal system then it does not just ignore the rights that protect us that we have now.....It "changes" them with a guilty verdict, to ignore this is to basically admit that our courts are a complete farce.

135 My concern isn't so much the inevitable axe for KSM; it is the precedents established and potential acquittals for some of the lesser lights.  The best solution for Obama may be a death sentence for KSM and an acquittal for one or more of those little fish, so he can appease the progressives and illustrate how evil Bush was.   While this may be the best solution for Obama, it is not the best solution for America.

136 22 I wouldn't want to be the judge assigned this one.  This trial is a career killer.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 18, 2009 11:53 PM (0LbWa)

Not if his first ruling is that the court lacks jurisdiction and remands them to the US military for trial as unlawful combatants under the only relevant treaty we have signed.

137 "Being a law professor and all that..."

One of several big lies told about candidate Bowrack Bowbama.  This idiot doesn't know his legal ass from a hole in the ground.  He could not, if his Presidency depended upon it, successfully file and try a vanilla criminal case or civil case in the US District Courts, nor could he teach s/o else how to do so. 

He has a law degree, which he was awarded in the interest of diversity.  That's it.  He's a fraud, and a dumb one, as is his AG Eric "the Red" Holder.

138

At this point the purpose of a civil trial appears to be one/combination of the following.

 

1)      Put Bush/Cheney on trial; as an academic corollary put pre-Obama America on trial.

2)      Overturn the 200 year (?) precedent of military tribunal for war criminals, thus undermining an element of Western jurisprudence.

a.       Redefine war criminal.

3)      Prep the ground for withdrawal in A-stan by condemning the behavior of the war apparatus/government that initiated that war.

4)      Release identity of CIA/military interrogators (so ACLU types no longer fear legal retribution) and methodology so BO can have a legal-political justification to cease all terrorism prevention measures currently underway.

5)      Give the mastermind behind the event a soapbox to voice jihad, which will run parallel to BO’s rhetoric of the US hegemon-demon.

a.       Expect a litany of ACLU/Jeremiah Wright-esque soliloquies from the defense on why KSM was lashing out in righteous anger at the evil US.

6)      Set the precedents governing trials of ‘extremists’ for future domestic use.

7)      Make a mockery of the civil court system and thus the Constitution. This occurs with both conviction via show trial and acquittal by the 9/11 mastermind walking.

a.       Doubly so by the prosecution of the USS Cole bomber, et al. by military tribunal, political double standards, ambiguous law, etc.

      Possible endless distraction for the other hands to work.

 

The left wanted a Nuremberg for Bush-Cheney and I think this is BO giving it his best shot. This is Cloward-Piven in the legal sense I think. Or else BO and Holder are two of the dumbest, most venal men to ever hold public office. The outcome is the same.

139 Then they have made a mockery of the American judicial system

140 Oh and I also meant to say this would be the most lucid wet dream for the Noam Chomskys of the world.

141 41 BTW ... why is The Precedent in Asia?

Pop, he was summoned by his bankers.  It got little notice here, but Reuters reported that the Chicoms told him that, as the biggest holder of US dollars, which are sinking like a stone, they are very concerned about his spending spree and specifically about how he intends to pay for his health care program.  Even the fucking Chicoms aren't buying the bs about Obamacare.

142 116  I'm no lawyer, but if they disregard all the stuff mentioned before and either execute KSM anyway or hold him after he is (God forbid) acquitted, doesn't that set precedent so they could do the same to anyone?

That's just it, if any of these 5 are acquitted, they do walk.  The District Court will order the the gov't to release them.  It won't be  Holder or Obama's call to make at that point.  Once they haul KSM into a District Court, the Court decides what happens after acquittal, and what happens is clear--the acquitted defendant is released.  Obama/Holder could expel KSM from the US on immigration grounds, but they would not be able to send him back to GITMO.  Sen. Cornyn made this point in the Holder hearing yesterday--the District Court will reason that, having elected to put KSM in the regular criminal justice system they are not constitutionally free to disregard the verdict.  No Neverminds, No Do-overs.  Holder, the dumbass, said he was sure that would not happen, but could cite to no legal authority for his conclusion.

Show trial is not the worst thing that happens here.  Show trial followed by the release of KSM (by putting him on a plane out of the country) is a predictable outcome.  Only a pair of world class morons would run that risk.  Thanks so much, 52%.

143

139      Make a mockery of the civil court system and thus the Constitution. This occurs with both conviction via show trial and acquittal by the 9/11 mastermind walking.

All it will take is one juror to say/do something stupid and you have a mis-trial...and the long painful process will begin all over again, long after BO is gone.

144 "The next question is if the Obama administration has intentionally setup a show trial for one man with a predetermined outcome and penalty, they've just proven they're OK with the notion of rigging civilian trials."


When in the 57th State of Harvard this is what the Ivy-Inbred define as 'serving  justice'; they rig everything, trials, budgets, degrees...whatever it takes to rule the world.

END TENURE:  STOP IVY-INBRED INDOCTRINATING STUPID OCCUPATION!

145 It depends on what the definition of "is" is!  Who knew Bill
Clinton would figure in the defense of mass murderers?  Will Hillary be put on the stand tio talk about the "vast left-wing conspiracy"?

146

The next question is if the Obama administration has intentionally setup a show trial for one man with a predetermined outcome and penalty, they've just proven they're OK with the notion of rigging civilian trials.

That is a pretty chilling revelation.

What about that is a "revelation?"  We already know they have no trouble rigging elections.  Why would they hesitate to rig a trial?  It wouldn't be the first time the Left attempted it.  Of course, typically they prefer to avoid the need for a trial and would rather just shoot people in their homes.  The only "trial" the libs like is a trial in the media - where they get to pick the verdict in advance and ruin lives with impunity. 

What surprises me is that any conservatives are still surprised.  The "czars" appointed by this president are proof enough that Stalinism is in his blood.  If it weren't for the fact that so many Americans (especially on the Right) are armed, the mass disappearances would have already begun.

 

147 This trial is about two things:

1.  As noted before, this is a head fake to distract attention from health care, cap and trade, etc.  While everyone is paying rapt attention to the trial, the Dems will make a full-on assault with their agenda.

2.  This is about putting Bush and Cheney on trial.  I guarantee they will be subpoenaed, probably by the defense.  The whole issue of "torture" will be used to bash them about the head.  They will probably throw in a dollop of "illegal war."

A third benefit would accrue if KSM is acquitted or otherwise released.  Obama will look good to the Muslim world.  Also, he can blame it all on Bush/Cheney and their "disregard for human rights."  Sadly, there are enough stupid people in this country to fall for that.

148

So, how do you say "No justice, no peace" in Arabic?

149 So, how do you say "No justice, no peace" in Arabic? Posted by: FireHorse at November 19, 2009 08:18 AM (Vl5GH) ALLAH AKBAR!

150 It depends on what the definition of "is" is!  Who knew Bill
Clinton would figure in the defense of mass murderers?  Will Hillary be put on the stand tio talk about the "vast left-wing conspiracy"?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 19, 2009 07:39 AM (ympAm)

Ha!  That was the first thing that popped into my head when I read this...

151

RE: The jury pool.

1) The 217 people who have valid drivers licenses/voting records in NYC have jobs, and will be able to get out of jury duty. If they don't the new taxes will bankrupt them.

2) The $17/day, plus free lunch is the most money these jurors have ever made legitimately.

3) The publishers will wire these zombie pricks, for a book deal. Written by Ayers. Which is probably ready to go to the presses already.

152 The problem of course is that a jury in a civilian trial can be a real wild card, as it was in the OJ trial.

Not so; the jury in the OJ case was NOT a wild card.  That trial was essentially over as soon as the idiots filed the charges in downtown L.A. instead of Brentwood where the murders occurred. 

If they had filed in Brentwood, O.J. would be on deathrow awaiting execution now after sentencing by a largely white jury. By filing in L.A. they guaranteed a jury made up of blacks who hated the L.A. police department, a jury who is made of people reminicent of the average Obama supportor like "Peggy pay my rent", and a jury who would jump on ANY excuse what so ever to declare him not guilty.  The O.J. verdict was a clear cut case of jury nullification. 

But, that is not to say that hauling KSM to NYC is not a huge mistake as well. a jury pool of mixed military in a military tribunal is much more likely to enter a logical and valid verdict in a terror trial than the average jury pool in NYC.

153 "Both Obama's are and were AFFIRMATIVE ACTION cases." Gus, I've been saying that for as long as I've heard about either of them. Thanks for succinctly putting my thoughts into better words than I could muster. When the MSM praises him (or her) as a genius, I shake my head in bewilderment, as I know most everyone I know is smarter than both of them.

154

If this becomes a jury trail they will need to get 12 New Yorkers who either don't know about or who have forgotten about 9/11. 

That means the jury will be all Democrats.

155 I'd say this is impeachable stupidity.

156 If KSM walks, there will be riots, I guarantee it.

Libtards:  THIS IS WHAT "ERODING THE RULE OF LAW" LOOKS LIKE.

The AG and POTUS just assured the nation of the outcome of a civilian trail.  What can you say now if the Feds haul your ass to court and proclaim "There's no way you're getting off here."

Oh, and have fun detaining an acquitted man, Libs.  Very evil-like, wouldn't you think?

157

Will KSM get a jury of his peers?

For KSM to be convicted, at all, the jury has to come to a unanimous decision.

If KSM gets a jury of his peers he only needs one Muslim on the jury and PSHT!... it's a hung jury.

No Muslim would risk being ostracized by his community, or worse, by taking part in an infidel trial and convicting a fellow Muslim.

Wondering about whether KSM will get the death penalty is putting the cart before the horse now that "the Won" is giving him a civilian show trial.

158 Does anyone know if there is any chance (even a thousand-to-one chance) that this KSM trial can be "cancelled"? Any entity (Supreme Court?) that can even theoretically put a halt to this thing before it gets started?
The more  I see/think about this mess (the impossibility of retroactively granting KSM his rights, Obama basically decreeing the verdict before the trial, Holder's ties to a Jihadi-defending Law firm, etc.), the more I hope that there's a backdoor out of this thing.
If it proceeds as scheduled we're in for a long national nightmare.

159 Good post.

I'll add the following:  there is a real chance that KSM will be acquitted here.  Given the quite possible inadmissibility of key pieces of evidence against him or jury non-cooperation, this actually could happen.

Then what?  Team Obama is going to send him back to Guantanamo (or more likely whatever domestic facility is functionally identical, but with a different name)?  

I think at that point, Obama would HAVE to let him go.

If Obama isn't willing to let KSM go free if found innocent, then why the hell is he having a trial?  

Personally, I think KSM is a POS who should be executed by military tribunal, but if he *IS* found criminally not guilty, then I think he has to be released.  Any other outcome makes a complete mockery of the US judicial system and the Obama administration.

Of course SHOULD he be released, that makes a complete mockery of the US effort against terrorisms. 

Lose-lose. . .which is why this criminal trial is stupid.

160 #158

Forget that angle.  All you need to throw the jury is one Truther.


Reporter:  Why did you vote for acquittal?

Juror:  Because the Mossad did the attacks.  Haven't you seen Loose Change?  And why did all those Jews stay home that day from work?  Google it!!

God Save The Republic.

161
Forget that angle.  All you need to throw the jury is one Truther.

How about just an Obama Cultist?

"If we release him, it will show the world America is a place of love, and they will love us again..."

162

WormerBama dropped "the big one".

Is this a Federal Case? Can we import some people from Appalachia? Shouldn't there be 12 people from 12 different states?

Stupid q's I know. Just sayin'.

163

I'll add the following:  there is a real chance that KSM will be acquitted here…. Then what?

Then the federal government can step in with different charges, something like 100 counts of violating people's civil rights. The beauty of that is that they can do that 30 times, in case they mess up the first 29 prosecutions.

164 It reminds me of the show trials Fidel and Che rigged in Cuba during the revolution when they were exterminating their enemies.  The schedule of trial would be posted on the bulletin board along with the guilty verdicts to be rendered.  Of course, those people were innocent while KSM is guilty, but the common denominator is that both sets of people were enemies of the state being convicted for political offenses rather than real crimes.  The problem here is that the Democrats are overturning the institutions of the US in favor of the rule of individuals.  Bill Clinton overturned the institutional verdict against Marc Rich by pardoning him in return for a bribe to the Clinton Library.  Obama is forcing the guilty verdict so that he can put the Bush administration on trial to benefit his radical  base while being assured that his opponents will not gain strength from a verdict of not guilty.  This, in turn, is part of a larger effort by the Democrats to rule the country through rigged courts rather than a democracy.

165 The Idiot in Chief never thinks anything through.  I am surprised no one in the media has twigged to this yet.  When asked whether Bin Laden would have his Miranda rights read to him Holder looked like he had never even considered the prospect.  In fact, I am sure he hadn't. 

Whatever considerations were taken into account when making this decision they had nothing to do with rationality, or logic, or law and justice;  they were basely political calculations at best.

But hey, at least the lawyer's guild will be happy!

Now the prosecution gets to fight to get a Muslim, or a truther, or a Code Pinko, or some other flavor of idiot onto the jury.  Where are they going to find a person who has not already formed an opinion about 9/11?

166 Is this a Federal Case? Can we import some people from Appalachia? Shouldn't there be 12 people from 12 different states?

He is being tried in NYC. Here is the applicable district:

Welcome to the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. This Federal Court has jurisdiction over and summons jurors from the counties of New York, Bronx, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Orange, Dutchess, and Sullivan.

167 Okay, boys and girls. This IS a show trial. Whatever you do, ignore it. Watch for what he's trying to divert our eyes from. There is something brewing he wants us to miss. If I get started ranting, this will go on for a while. I'll stop before my comment gets larger than the post.

168 I don't see any way this doesn't get thrown out on a pre-trial motion. Then I figure it gets appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court.

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The number one question for Holder and especially Teh Ø: If the civil court system is so great at 'getting terrorists' WHY is fuggin BILL AYERS out there saying 'GUILTY AS HELL, FREE AS A BIRD????????'

170 ReTransmit: The number one question for Holder and especially Teh Ø: If the civil court system is so great at 'getting terrorists' WHY is fuggin BILL AYERS out there saying 'GUILTY AS HELL, FREE AS A BIRD????????'

Good question, Schwalbe.

Because it's 'historic'? (Historically stupid)

I'm sure the Mainstream Fringe Media will demand a non-evasive answer from their boyfriend president.

Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era "torture," but terrorists... no so much.

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Obviously the god-king can see the future

If I decree it, it is so.  Ah-hahahaaaa.

172 How is what Obama said different than what the DA does, when he indicts somebody and then declares he'll prove their guilt?  Isn't Obama the lead law enforcer?  Would it have been ok for Holder to have said what Obama said?

173 If KSM walks the upside might be that a disillusioned public might start demonstrating like it was the 60's.  Due to the workforce required to build and staff the camps,and the counter-revolutionaries filling them, the funemployment rate may drop below 10 percent! The downside would be that the tax rates to pay for it will be punishing.  Sadly, the camps will be contain the capitalists.  It could be hard times for the god-King.

174 Law professor? My ass.

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KSM and his buddies will walk, there is no doubt about that.  All his lawyers have to do is make sure there are 3 or more Muslims on the Jury.  No Muslim will side with the infidels, and 3 will be enough to intimidate the other jurors into voting not guilty no matter the evidence.  After all, no one wants to end up like Danny Pearl.

The only question is, how does this benefit Obama?  After all, he is making sure this will be the outcome. 

177 It will benefit Obama when he seeks the Secretary-Generalship of the United Nations.

I give it two years before he fucks up and outs himself as a Muslim.

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