June 30, 2008
— DrewM It's being billed as a major speech but listening to it now, it's pretty much about Obama and how "I will never question the patriotism of others in this campaign. And I will not stand idly by when people question mine.
Now he's into the 'American can be made better' is really patriotism stuff.
Fearless prediction...Andrew Sullivan will LOVE this speech.
He does have a lapel pin on. I can't tell if it's one of those false patriotism flag pins or not.
He's broken it down to 3 elements...a 'gut love of country', a willingness to speak up when the government is wrong and sacrifice/service.
There's absolutely nothing new or interesting about this speech but it will be hailed as some sort of revelation about what it means to be patriotic.
In the sacrifice section he takes a swipe at Wesley Clark, without naming him, for his remarks on McCain.
You can read the speech here.
One favorite quote:
And it is up to us to teach our children a lesson that those of us in politics too often forget: that patriotism involves not only defending this country against external threat, but also working constantly to make America a better place for future generations.
When we pile up mountains of debt for the next generation to absorb, or put off changes to our energy policies, knowing full well the potential consequences of inaction, we are placing our short-term interests ahead of the nations long-term well-being. When we fail to educate effectively millions of our children so that they might compete in a global economy, or we fail to invest in the basic scientific research that has driven innovation in this country, we risk leaving behind an America that has fallen in the ranks of the world. Just as patriotism involves each of us making a commitment to this nation that extends beyond our own immediate self-interest, so must that commitment extends beyond our own time here on earth.
That is the liberty we defend the liberty of each of us to pursue our own dreams. That is the equality we seek not an equality of results, but the chance of every single one of us to make it if we try. That is the community we strive to build one in which we trust in this sometimes messy democracy of ours, one in which we continue to insist that there is nothing we cannot do when we put our mind to it, one in which we see ourselves as part of a larger story, our own fates wrapped up in the fates of those who share allegiance to Americas happy and singular creed.
Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.
If only he meant the liberty part. It's somewhat at odds with his collectivist and redistributionist policy prescriptions.
Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at June 30, 2008 07:33 AM (cQhQZ)
Posted by: Benson at June 30, 2008 07:35 AM (qzcNU)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 30, 2008 07:39 AM (N4pK7)
That is the equality we seek not an equality of results, but the chance of every single one of us to make it if we try.
Wow! So we won't be comparing outcomes anymore? No more counting white noses and black noses to determine when racism is/is not at play?
HEADLINE: Obama Rejects Affirmative Action, Racial Quotas
Maybe this guy truly is a hero for our times.
Posted by: CJ at June 30, 2008 07:59 AM (9KqcB)
The Wesley Clark swipe at McCain now seems perfectly timed to coincide with this speech.
It attempts to put some doubt in the minds of Americans about McCain (another swipe was made by some other guy I just read about at RightWingNutHouse) to counter all the legitimate doubts about Obama and allows Obama to be "generous" to McCain and appear to be above it all. I noticed he 'rejected' this in a far more unequivocal fashion than all the others.
What a guy.
A little too convenient for me. Obama might be the author of the whole thing. He's that ruthless and that big a creep.
Posted by: Pamela at June 30, 2008 07:59 AM (481aR)
Posted by: Dirk at June 30, 2008 08:20 AM (AJx67)
Andy McCarthy @ NRO nails the phonyness of the O:
Obama: "I will never question anyone else's patriotism in this campaign"
How admirable! The only other "anyone" in this campaign is John McCain. He's not gonna question McCain's patriotism? What a tremendous concession! Tune in tomorrow when Obama announces he will never question whether Shaquille O'Neal is really tall.
Those who disagree, suck cock by choice.
Posted by: Tom Nuttall at June 30, 2008 08:23 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: ECM at June 30, 2008 08:38 AM (q3V+C)
"...a willingness to speak up when the government is wrong..."
Funny. When candidate Reagan said "Government is the problem," I don't remember any Democrats saying, "Wow! What a patriot!"
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 30, 2008 09:04 AM (zS9LP)
Posted by: sergei at June 30, 2008 09:09 AM (CT8LT)
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Posted by: David M at June 30, 2008 09:11 AM (gIAM9)
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at June 30, 2008 09:46 AM (nyHxK)
Posted by: joe at June 30, 2008 10:26 AM (JMUBq)
Let me fix that for you, Senator.
"I didn't serve my country in uniform, but my opponent did. However, it's just as noble to go to Harvard, join some church for street cred, be a community organizer, hang with unrepentant terrorists and criminals, do the Chicago city council bit, run for congress against a guy whose sealed divorce record must not have been sealed quite well enough, have no discernable accomplishments, and run for president. That makes me a patriot, right?"
Posted by: MarkD at June 30, 2008 11:09 AM (MMy4A)
Posted by: Creepy Hussein Dumbass at June 30, 2008 11:32 AM (7DB+a)
Posted by: Andrew Hussein Sullivan at June 30, 2008 11:34 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: alexhusseinthechick at June 30, 2008 11:38 AM (SHHaV)
Way to go out on a limb there...
Posted by: hindmost at June 30, 2008 11:39 AM (BKlar)
I just wish Obama was a bear. With an ass like you.
He would be so, so, soooooo scrumptously irresistable.
Posted by: A. Sullivan at June 30, 2008 11:39 AM (FgxdU)
“Somebody noticed I wasn’t wearing a flag lapel pin and I told folks, well you know what? I haven’t probably worn that pin in a very long time. I wore it right after 9/11. But after a while, you start noticing people wearing a lapel pin, but not acting very patriotic. Not voting to provide veterans with resources that they need. Not voting to make sure that disability payments were coming out on time.
“My attitude is that I’m less concerned about what you’re wearing on your lapel than what’s in your heart. And you show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who served. You show your patriotism by being true to our values and our ideals and that’s what we have to lead with is our values and our ideals.”Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn Hussein Qwinn at June 30, 2008 11:40 AM (MN787)
Posted by: franksalterego at June 30, 2008 11:42 AM (QdFjo)
Posted by: Tushar at June 30, 2008 11:49 AM (Q7Ugu)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 30, 2008 11:51 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: Hartsfeld at June 30, 2008 11:52 AM (Vi57P)
Posted by: Spartan Fan at June 30, 2008 11:52 AM (7365r)
What a law professor/law student thing to do.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 30, 2008 11:53 AM (WIxQ1)
Posted by: franksalterego at June 30, 2008 11:58 AM (QdFjo)
Posted by: Andrew Hussein Sullivan at June 30, 2008 12:02 PM (PLvLS)
I just wish Obama was a bear. With an ass like Zorachus.
He would be so, so, soooooo scrumptously irresistable
Look, Sullivan. I've had it up to _here_ with your gay-baiting. Especially when you has a much better backdoor.
Posted by: Zorachus at June 30, 2008 12:02 PM (yJ5ul)
Obama has to redefine patriotism, and service. McCain trumps him on both, it's not even close.
So send out Ashley to trivialize McCain's service, and give a meaningless speech that says "that isn't patriotism, THIS is".
Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 30, 2008 12:06 PM (eiOZw)
Actually, strike that last one. Here's a better:
Now listen, you queer, stop talking about my ass or I will sock you in your goddamn face, and you will stay plastered
Posted by: Zorachus at June 30, 2008 12:06 PM (yJ5ul)
For most people on the left, patriotism really means love of the America that could be rather than the America that currently exists. That's why they usually include criticism or dissent in the definition of patriotism, so that they can be patriotic while criticizing the country. Now you can be patriotic (in the classic sense) and still criticize the country, but criticism in itself does not imply patriotism.
To paraphrase Jonah Goldberg, if a man continually criticizes his wife and declares that he loves the woman that she might become one day, it would not be unreasonable to conclude that he just doesn't like his wife all that much.
Posted by: Maetenloch at June 30, 2008 12:08 PM (D7Mah)
Now comments are being spliced into the thread that aren't even from the old site.
This post isn't even on the old site, so where are these new comments coming from? WTF?
It must be from the double secret blog Ace has been running all along. In secret.
Posted by: Eleven at June 30, 2008 12:11 PM (7DB+a)
Who told you I was into rough trade? I'll bring the waffle iron. You bring the inflatable rubber cowboy.
Posted by: Andrew Hussein Sullivan at June 30, 2008 12:11 PM (PLvLS)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 30, 2008 12:13 PM (WTn2v)
When you gotta give a speech about Patriotism, you ain't got it!
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 30, 2008 12:13 PM (nqlWD)
Posted by: Raoul Hussein Ortega at June 30, 2008 12:14 PM (JqOgz)
It must be from the double secret blog Ace has been running all along. In secret.
Eleven, have you forgotten the first and second rule of the Secret Blog?
Posted by: Maetenloch at June 30, 2008 12:14 PM (D7Mah)
That's probably where he is right now. All those nights of "hobo-hunting" and "moving to Boston/NYC", he was probably really out with his other blog. I hope the other blog has gonnorrhea.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at June 30, 2008 12:16 PM (nqlWD)
that patriotism involves not only defending this country against external threat, but also working constantly to make America a better place for future generations.
So if I don't agree with Obiewan's ideas for a better, more perfectly socialistic America, does that make me unpatriotic?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2008 12:17 PM (VBon8)
Posted by: mbruce at June 30, 2008 12:19 PM (h/5U0)
Not that I can't take it, but isn't you a better target for some of this?
Posted by: Gekkobear at June 30, 2008 12:19 PM (X0NX1)
Posted by: Lee at June 30, 2008 12:24 PM (+kJAy)
With a healthy dose of Hope. Haven't you been paying attention?
Posted by: DrewM at June 30, 2008 12:24 PM (hlYel)
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Posted by: Hartsfeld at June 30, 2008 12:33 PM (Vi57P)
Posted by: Sean M. at June 30, 2008 12:35 PM (e6v7s)
Is this like Imus hiring a nappy headed ho black sidekick when he came back on the air to prove he isn't a racist?
Posted by: June 30, 2008 at June 30, 2008 12:36 PM (eK8R5)
Pablum is tasty to the nutroots, but I find it rather bland.
Posted by: MagicalPat at June 30, 2008 12:39 PM (19pgq)
Posted by: Andy at June 30, 2008 12:39 PM (C3mTI)
...when we fail to educate...
...when we fail to invest...
There's a certain rhetorical pitch that Democrats take that's like a dog whistle to me: the "we need to" construction.
Whenever I hear some patronizing Democrat tell me what "we need to do," I know the purple probe is coming, sans Crisco. This nifty little device intimates a relationship (who doesn't want to be wanted?!) but actually reeks of collectivism, of sublimation to the herd. One of the more annoying aspects of this is the implicit blame--I haven't failed to educate anyone, because I haven't tried to and don't intend to, thankyouverymuch Senator Candyman.
For these folks, "you" and "your" are dangerous concepts, pejoratives to be applied to selfish, inconsiderate conservatives. The Constitution might as well be Goldstein's forbidden book to these collectivizers.
I've been hearing a lot of "what we can do" BS from Brockobomma. I expect to feel it in the wallet five months from now.
Posted by: railwriter at June 30, 2008 12:40 PM (nwEiU)
A. Sullivan & Zorachus:
Hey bitches! How my ass taste?
Posted by: noprisoners at June 30, 2008 12:47 PM (eqMup)
I know you folks are all getting a huge kick out of playing with your new blog insult toy but I'm warning you to leave me the fuck out of it. I don't want to but I will make an example of someone if I have to. So play your little games amongst yourselves--you won't hear a word from me. But leave me out of it.
You've been warned.
Oh, and what does an old wrassly bear like Andy see in a slick, smooth, sinewy brown fellow like Barry? I always figured Andy for the Dan Haggerty type.
Posted by: spongeworthy at June 30, 2008 12:48 PM (a00go)
You're just too effeminate for me.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2008 12:48 PM (T0NGe)
Well, it's worked for Howard Stern for decades.
Posted by: Qwinn Hussein Qwinn at June 30, 2008 12:49 PM (MN787)
Posted by: runninrebel at June 30, 2008 01:01 PM (0n9wc)
47. Spongeworthy: Amen, brother. Even morons get sick of the "whatever you call me bounces off me and goes back on you" shit.
6th grade? That kind of douchebaggery went out in the 2nd.
Posted by: Spartan Fan at June 30, 2008 01:05 PM (7365r)
Posted by: SGT Dan at June 30, 2008 01:10 PM (YzCiM)
Are you not unified?
Fraggles, the future you dreamed of is near. We, as patriots, will make America the place that it should be. It will be just like you think Europe is. Not what Europe is actually like, just what you assume europe might be like after seeing a few statistics and groveling to some jerk-off about how sorry you are about some random thing (mcdonalds, global warming, not stopping the crisis in _____ etc...).
It will be a bold new world of arts and crafts, "free" healthcare, peace (not the real kind, the "if it wasn't on the daily show it wasn't important" kind.), global cooperation because I am so cool, small group work, talking about our feelings, saving animals, men will want to date feminists rather than just ditch them for actual women, all people will get along because we will all be unified and agree that my vision for the future is only matched by how awesome I am.
All hail the lightworker. Do not think too much, just feel.
Posted by: emperor obama at June 30, 2008 01:11 PM (GNCy6)
A. Weasel's Ass Says...
NO TASTE FOR YOU!
Posted by: A. Weasel at June 30, 2008 01:15 PM (bqcfE)
Obama refuses to question McCain's patriotism. Absolutely refuses. Not gonna do it. Not now, not ever.
In return, McCain will refuse to question Obama's "blackness". Only fair.
Posted by: fugazi at June 30, 2008 01:15 PM (+xwT3)
(aside: wasn't that character in Undercover Brother? Totally should have been if it wasn't)
Posted by: leon Hussein caruthers at June 30, 2008 01:16 PM (7iTO9)
Doesn't matter how much the MSM likes it the "Great Speech of the Century" card has been played and trumped already. Speeches ain't gonna get ya there Obama. For a speech to mean something you can't toss it aside a month later. Principles aren't just the boss of a school ya know.
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Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 30, 2008 01:35 PM (1Ts/k)
Obama loves America like Ike loved Tina.
Posted by: ticticboom at June 30, 2008 02:05 PM (AnL9s)
Isn't there a Mark Twain quote about how patriotism is always supporting your country and supporting your government when it deserves it?
Obama '08, Hope Change and claiming 100 year old ideas are new and original.
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