October 29, 2009
— Ace From small ACORNs grow mighty oaks of voter fraud.
Currently, when a county clerk rejects an absentee ballot request, they try to contact the voter, through mail, by phone, and in some cases, they make an attempt to contact the voter in person. And a person who has spoken to some of New Jerseys county clerks says theyre granting wide latitude on signature styles; for them to reject a ballot request because of the signature, it has to be dramatically different from the one on file.Could some of these cases be the circumstance an election official misjudging natural deviation in two handwriting samples from the same person? Certainly, and that's why the current system has clerks reaching out to the rejected voters (presuming they actually exist) to sort out the discrepancy. But Democrats want to short-circuit the established methods of sorting out the problem, and in fact ban rejections based on signature mismatches entirely.
Yes, by all means, let's ignore the obvious sham nature of these requests and issue ballots anyway. Imaginary people and dead people have rights, too.
Incidentally, it seems someone in NY23 is already preparing the ground for an election challenge, too:
Of the 11 counties in the 23rd, seven will be using paper ballot/optical scanning voting systems rather than the lever machines, said John Conklin, spokesman for the state Board of Elections. Two counties will combine old and new systems, while another two -- Clinton and Essex -- are keeping lever machines....
One wrinkle to note if the 23rd becomes a photo-finish race: The paper/scan devices are being used on a pilot basis -- and they haven't been fully certified by the state.
Conklin said the devices are on track to be certified by the end of the year. And Lipari added that they've been trouble-free so far.
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In a related matter, the Associated Press reports Democrats are heading to court seeking to have voting machines impounded on election night. Democrats say they're going to court early because a portion of the district is requiring people who registered to vote in time for federal elections, but not in time for state and local elections, to vote on ballots -- not on the pull-lever machines.
The only election Democrats aren't going to steal is VA-GOV, because that one is just silly.
Thanks to DrewM. and notropis.
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Posted by: ugh-willow at October 29, 2009 10:33 AM (1kwr2)
Yeah it's a lost cause. I guess the Civil War dead will get a day off from voting this time. Too bad, they haven't missed an election in years.
Posted by: Rocks at October 29, 2009 10:35 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Alex at October 29, 2009 10:37 AM (M/d1F)
I wonder if it is between him and Owens if the Republicans will 'adopt' him, since he likely want to caucus with them anyway.
Might be a good chance for the RNC and RCCC to send an olive branch to the base.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 29, 2009 10:38 AM (ur6Ar)
Voter: Norman Oscar Schultz Signature on request: Can O. Schlitz
Posted by: Rocks at October 29, 2009 10:39 AM (Q1lie)
Aha. That's where they're going to "find" enough uncounted ballots over and over until Owens wins.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 29, 2009 10:39 AM (NtiET)
Posted by: eddiebear at October 29, 2009 10:40 AM (wnU1W)
Ok, so who is going to register and vote as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin...?
New plan of attack for Big Hollywood news scoops?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at October 29, 2009 10:42 AM (cniXs)
It won't be close. The writings on the wall. The Repubs will run from Dede the same way they did when Schlesinger ran against Lieberman and Lamont.
Posted by: Rocks at October 29, 2009 10:43 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Evil Dem Scientists at October 29, 2009 10:45 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: dagny at October 29, 2009 10:45 AM (7E/uE)
Christie needs 6 and I don't know where he's going to get it. He's gone.
Enjoy the next 4 years, Jersey.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 29, 2009 10:50 AM (SCcgT)
Funny how it's always the Dims that are in favor of destroying every method of voter verification available.
Mickey Mouse must vote!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 29, 2009 10:52 AM (ZGhSv)
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 10:54 AM (DIYmd)
Posted by: The smart guys from Goldman-Sachs at October 29, 2009 10:54 AM (e8YaH)
But Democrats want to short-circuit the established methods of sorting out the problem, and in fact ban rejections based on signature mismatches entirely.
Some industrial grade irony here. These are the same retards who refuse to contemplate picture Ids for voters.
Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 10:55 AM (CDUiN)
Posted by: Johnathan E. at October 29, 2009 10:55 AM (dQdrY)
Christie needs 6 and I don't know where he's going to get it. He's gone.
Over? Did you say "over"? NOTHING is over until WE decide it is!
Posted by: Dang Straights at October 29, 2009 10:55 AM (Haq+B)
Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 10:56 AM (KOkrW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 29, 2009 10:56 AM (TfW4T)
Posted by: Ash at October 29, 2009 10:56 AM (4emWZ)
ONE.
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 10:57 AM (DIYmd)
Posted by: Democrats at October 29, 2009 10:57 AM (+9Rf8)
Posted by: Big Mic at October 29, 2009 10:58 AM (q177U)
>The only election Democrats aren't going to steal is VA-GOV, because that one is just silly.
if you think they won't try, you're hopped up on goofballs or something
Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 10:59 AM (KOkrW)
Let me be clear: I'm looking forward to some robust debate in New Jersey. As I have said before, this is a serious decision, and serious decisions can sometimes take up to two, three months to make. Sometimes more. I am convinced that we can make New Jersey a partner in Democracy, just like Iran and Afghanistan have clearly become.
Posted by: President Barack H. Obama, President at October 29, 2009 11:00 AM (e8YaH)
College kids anything.....
America is doomed, we have been thugized.
Actually a bunch of uniformed brats and welfare recipients have thugized the United States of America.
Sean Penn doesn't need to go out of the country to be a commie.....he and his ilk should all be happy now.
Posted by: non_dhimmie at October 29, 2009 11:02 AM (cFwGO)
Heh! We've gone to all absentee ballots in the state of WA for at least a year now. NJ is for Pikers!
Is it just me or is it time for another ACORN video to be released by Hannah and James?
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 11:03 AM (qP2BK)
Today's news makes me angry. They say that Liberman is hijacking Democracy by participating in the Constitutional framework, yet they are literally hijacking Democracy with preemptive voter fraud.
Projection plain and simple.
This madness needs to stop. These Democrats are ruining this country.
Posted by: California Red at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (7uWb8)
Posted by: Truman at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (e8YaH)
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 03:57 PM (DIYmd)
If only. Free and fair elections, my hairy ass. The ballot box will be our salvation? What am I missing?
Without reasonably free and fair elections, the contract is void.
Posted by: Johnathan E. at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (dQdrY)
7 just remember, the north end zone at Giants Stadium needs to have its vote counted as well.
Its sad cuz its true...the Meadowlands/NJ sports authority is notoriously mobbed/unioned-up...errand boys & floor sweepers are making 25.00/hr over their, they will vote the way the union tells them....ore else!
Posted by: dananjcon at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (1B81L)
Posted by: runninrebel at October 29, 2009 11:06 AM (i3PJU)
Posted by: Dang Straights at October 29, 2009 11:06 AM (Haq+B)
Posted by: runninrebel at October 29, 2009 11:07 AM (i3PJU)
>I'm have a lot of internal tension on whether it would be better to let the Dems get everything and run it into the ground or fight to get the R's to act right
the sun will go thru a red giant phase and destroy the 4 inner planets before the GOP finds a spine
they want nothing more than 1) for the media to like them, and 2) get re-elected
Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 11:10 AM (KOkrW)
Why bother to fight in the courts, we have not won one since 2000, and that was only because the SC stopped them.
We are becoming south africa, complete with our own winnie Mendela.
Which is why guns are still flying off shelves
Back - o - the Bus for whitey, and Asians
Our Wall street crime syndicates are pulling out all the stops to get their billion so they can buy an Island or hire their own army to stave off the homies
It is past time to cut out the sane states and force the scum to move to NYC
Posted by: bob_hussein_dole at October 29, 2009 11:10 AM (DLaJY)
Jersey...phew, and I thought I smelled everything!
Posted by: maddow's middle finger at October 29, 2009 11:11 AM (1B81L)
I wonder if it is between him and Owens if the Republicans will 'adopt' him, since he likely want to caucus with them anyway.
Might be a good chance for the RNC and RCCC to send an olive branch to the base.
Posted by: DrewM. at October 29, 2009 03:38 PM (ur6Ar)
My guess is that they won't lift a finger to help if this happens. I get the sense from reading and listening to what the national Rep. party people have been saying about this race that they're pissed the people didn't just blindly pull the lever for the designated (R) candidate; and I can't say I'd put it past them to be petty enough to give Hoffman the finger in a situation like this.
Posted by: Mandy P. at October 29, 2009 11:11 AM (MK6Kx)
In Rhode Island, we have what we call "the putrid Rhode Island gene." We fully expect that the very best we're ever going to be able to do with regards to government is hold serve for a few weeks/months/etc. We all know it's going to get worse in the long run, and it's only a matter of time. Almost a point of pride.
I say to New Jersey what I say to Rhode Islanders: light the garbage dumps and the toxic waste pits and the lawyers on fire, and watch it all burn.
Posted by: Truman at October 29, 2009 11:11 AM (e8YaH)
Posted by: eddiebear at October 29, 2009 11:11 AM (wnU1W)
DNC ELECTION DAY GUIDELINES
just keep counting til you reach the 'correct' result
There aren't any other guidelines. Shall we retire to celebrate our victory?
Posted by: it's good to be king at October 29, 2009 11:14 AM (KOkrW)
That line right there is a problem. WTF kind of legislative district spans 11 counties? Hello? I might begin to believe it was reasonable if one said "Well, 10 of the counties are entirely within the boundaries of the legislative district." But you just know that ain't so.
Posted by: Al at October 29, 2009 11:15 AM (VtygY)
Posted by: brak at October 29, 2009 11:15 AM (1Y3Fy)
Single, liberal, just graduated from college twenty-somethings are so f**king smart.
I hope they all enjoy paying $500 - $600 a month for their government mandated health insurance (as opposed to $100 bucks a month for a high deductible, catastrophic plan) - it should be a fun experience having the feds FORCE them to buy a product that they really don't need.
I guess the Dems just need to legalize marijuana to keep the brain-dead dipsh*ts in a haze before they figure out that they just got snookered.
On the bright side, the worthless baby boomer parents who spoiled them rotten will get to enjoy their company for another ten to fifteen years. Mom and dad's basement ain't that bad when the alternative is the street.
Posted by: stickety at October 29, 2009 11:16 AM (Jg5C9)
Posted by: Xasteius at October 29, 2009 11:17 AM (uzDE2)
I get so sick of donk skulduggery.
But I have Dos Equis and those little salty delights, anchovies.
Posted by: The Most Interesting Man In the World (rdb) at October 29, 2009 11:18 AM (piBto)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (ZGhSv)
Posted by: taylork at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (4jZ56)
Posted by: TheQuietman at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (1Jaio)
Have another fun term, suckers.
Posted by: Techie at October 29, 2009 11:21 AM (cxW4X)
Posted by: jjshaka at October 29, 2009 11:21 AM (KwoeU)
Posted by: zmdavid at October 29, 2009 11:22 AM (VT0R2)
These criminals only understand forcefulness- Coleman should have been screaming mad from Day 1.
Time to get angry loud at this corruption.
Al Franken basically used the template that Queen Christine successfully utilized here in WA state. You would have seen the GOP and Coleman's lawyers would have seen it coming and nipped it in the bud. They were so weak and so slow to respond that they let Franken steal that election right from under them. Losers.
Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 11:24 AM (qP2BK)
they want nothing more than 1) for the media to like them, and 2) get re-elected"
Unfortunately its in that order of priority as well.
Posted by: Just Another Poster at October 29, 2009 11:26 AM (NgoAe)
Didn't they have the same lawyer?
Posted by: toby928 at October 29, 2009 11:29 AM (PD1tk)
Keep counting until the Dem wins. Works every time.
Yeah, the guy who always went against Perry Mason
Posted by: Truman at October 29, 2009 11:35 AM (e8YaH)
But Democrats want to short-circuit the established methods of sorting out the problem, and in fact ban rejections based on signature mismatches entirely.
At least the Dems are consistent. They don't like signatures on contracts having any meaning, either. Dems just don't like signatures as binding and distinguishing marks, since ... that's racist!!
Related, that's also why they hate the flag, too. It's not so much that it's a symbol, but that it can actually carry a legal meaning when flying. As an aside, the dems are authorizing $200 billion in emergency funds to bomb the moon, again, but this time they say that the aim is not for scientific research, but just to destroy the American flags on the moon.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at October 29, 2009 11:35 AM (A46hP)
Posted by: toby928 at October 29, 2009 11:50 AM (PD1tk)
ONE.
I have argued that every state Attorney General, when faced with a case of voter fraud, should file one count for every legitimate voter in the state.
One, just one, fradulent vote disenfranchises everyone
Posted by: AmishDude at October 29, 2009 11:51 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 11:51 AM (CDUiN)
If they want to get back in good graces, they should act on behalf of Hoffman. They could even argue a reasonable level of impartiality.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 29, 2009 11:52 AM (T0NGe)
Hunh. Just got an email from the mybarackobama.com folks asking if I wanted to register and do robo-calls from my PC to voters in NY-23
I didn't know Skype was co-opted by the Dems
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 11:53 AM (lDdA/)
Posted by: railwriter at October 29, 2009 11:55 AM (daRzV)
Posted by: railwriter at October 29, 2009 11:56 AM (daRzV)
Does New Jersey have an open list of registered voters? And a paid up postal stamping machine?
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Al at October 29, 2009 11:59 AM (VtygY)
My real concern is that since Hoffman doesn't have a major party behind him, he may not have the money or man power to fight a big post election fight.
Oh, I think if it comes to that I could help him pull in a few dollars to finance a legal defense fund. You betcha!
Posted by: Sarah Palin at October 29, 2009 12:03 PM (V9SYy)
Posted by: Chaz at October 29, 2009 12:04 PM (u3fm3)
Well I hope that the GOP in NJ has their lawyers out as well (geez, it's sad it's come to this) and I hope Hoffman has people on the ground as well. One would think that when you see voter fraud buried year after year that private individuals (with deep pockets) would try to use the court system to force the government to do a proper investigation.
Posted by: scr_north at October 29, 2009 12:05 PM (GE/dx)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at October 29, 2009 12:11 PM (pZEar)
Posted by: Picric at October 29, 2009 12:49 PM (+hnIk)
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 03:57 PM (DIYmd)
If only. Free and fair elections, my hairy ass. The ballot box will be our salvation? What am I missing?
Without reasonably free and fair elections, the contract is void.
Jonathan E. - Not following your point I guess, we should justifiably be pissed if just one fraudulent vote is counted.
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 12:51 PM (DIYmd)
Yeah, and at some point once the ballot box is no longer an option and we have tyranny, then it's time to tear open the cartridge boxes.
Man, I did NOT want that shit where I live. I've seen what happens when the Koreans and the various tribes of Yugoslavs tried it. I do not want my country to turn into a collection of bombed-out burned-down villages, ruined cities, refugee camps, and mass graves.
Seriously, how much are we supposed to get fucked with and fucked over before the social contract codified in the US Constitution and the constitutions of the several states are accepted as null and void?
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 01:00 PM (TtDnm)
Jonathan E. - Not following your point I guess, we should justifiably be pissed if just one fraudulent vote is counted.
Posted by: Dr. Do-it-yourself at October 29, 2009 05:51 PM (DIYmd)
I'm with you. I just don't understand why it seems to be accepted.
Posted by: Johnathan E. at October 29, 2009 01:11 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 06:00 PM (TtDnm)
Peace at any cost.
Defiance might interfere with our tee times.
Posted by: The RNC at October 29, 2009 01:14 PM (dQdrY)
Seriously, how much are we supposed to get fucked with and fucked over before the social contract codified in the US Constitution and the constitutions of the several states are accepted as null and void?
I already consider various parts of the US Code to be null and void, such as the part saying the census bureau can ask you whatever it feels like asking and you're required to answer it. Nope. You get how many people live at this address, and that's it. Feel free to fine me or imprison me, but until you sack up and do that, you can kiss my well scrubbed and pasty white ass.
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at October 29, 2009 01:23 PM (pZEar)
Posted by: Hulk at October 29, 2009 01:47 PM (B5cM9)
#76, amen. And it's probably time to drop "cautiously".
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 02:36 PM (TtDnm)
Both houses of congress just came out with a version of health care reform that includes a public option, despite a clear majority of Americans opposing it. Democrats are already threatening legal maneuvers for post election challenges in the special elections.
Still think this chapter of American history ends peacefully?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 29, 2009 02:42 PM (Poe30)
Chris Christie doesnt want you to get a mammogram, according to the non stop move-on Corzine ads.
"Chris Christie, get your hands off our tits!!!"
Posted by: TMF at October 29, 2009 03:05 PM (ijo2L)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 03:11 PM (TtDnm)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at October 29, 2009 03:27 PM (pZEar)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 03:47 PM (TtDnm)
Posted by: Al at October 29, 2009 03:56 PM (VtygY)
@31: "Without reasonably free and fair elections, the contract is void."
Yet what will be done about it? Nothing. People will retreat a little more, promising to "fight" next time, but not one damn thing will change.
The Dems are pretty much in the same position as the North Vietnamese Army in 1975 - their opponents are running away and disintegrating so fast that their plans cannot keep up with it.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 29, 2009 04:32 PM (vupGF)
And this, Ace, is why the dems can do whatever they want: Obamacare, cap and tax, defeat in Afghanistan, Iranian nukes - none of it will matter when they can use voter intimidation, voter fraud, and outright vote buying to rig elections the way they want. The US will soon be a de facto one party state, and I don't see the republican party lifting a finger to stop it.
Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at October 29, 2009 06:21 PM (r6PjU)
Theres been little things on TV, stuff on the newspapers even little ads on the web reminding me I can still vote by paper ballot, what happened to this stuff being for people who couldn't show up to vote because of work travel, sickness, being in the army, ect.
We now need to vote from home because we can't walk 2 blocks away? If you can't do that much it shows how little you care for voting, odds are you're just selling your vote away.
We already had some problems during the Pres. Election where Dem workers went to nursing homes and got them to sign for absentee ballots, which the people never got, when they showed up to vote they were told they couldn't.
I wouldn't doubt we're going to have many Saint Nicks, George Bushs and Barack Obamas voting in NJ, I mean the dems can't even try to think up good names.
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