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September 23, 2008

McCain Loses His Base. The Media Are Mad At Him. Really Mad.
— DrewM

One of the joys of this campaign (and for conservatives there have been damn few) is watching all the effort McCain put into courting the press (often at the expense of Republicans and conservatives) go down in flames.

After weeks of on going sniping between the press and the McCain camp over access to Palin and even McCain himself as well as the McCain camp's shots at the press, the media have decided to strike back. They are in effect boycotting Palins meetings at the UN.

Reporters are currently being kept away from Palin's meetings tomorrow with world leaders. (Palin is scheduled to meet Afghan President Karzai and Colombia President Alvaro Uribe, among others.)
The campaign is permitting a camera -- with no editorial presence -- inside the meetings. In protest of the McCain camp's edict to refuse to allow an editorial presence in the room, the news networks voted Tuesday to ban use of photographs/video of Palin's meetings.

Lets get this straight. After three weeks of claiming everything about Palin is news, demanding access to her and pointing out she has little to no foreign policy experience, they are refusing to show images of her meeting with two American allies? Are photos of her at these meetings really not newsworthy? Of course they are. The media are simply skewing their coverage because they dont like her, and they are mad they arent getting to talk to her. Talk about not even pretending any more.

So Senator McCain, was it worth kicking Republicans and conservatives in the balls all those years simply to curry favor with the press?

Sadly, it probably was. McCain is where he wants to be and thanks to the fact the Democrats have nominated an unreconstructed leftist, conservatives will probably stand by McCain.

God I hate the media.

UPDATE: McCain Camp backed down.

The McCain campaign eventually relented after the television networks threatened to ban and not use any footage of Palin meeting with leaders.
...After the television networks strenuously objected to the McCain campaign's effort to block any editorial presence from the room, the McCain campaign finally allowed one CNN pool camera and one pool producer into the meeting room.
As she arrived for her meeting with Karzai, Palin avoided reporters who were camped out at the main front entrance of the hotel, instead pulling up in a motorcade to a side entrance and quickly sneaking inside.

If only conservatives could get that kind of influence over McCain!

Related (well, related enough): Joe Biden rewrites the timeline.

Let's play a game of..."If Palin had Said This". No, there won't be any breathless pieces about how dumb Biden is, it's just Joe being Joe. Oh and remember...he's got a higher IQ than you do.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:20 AM | Comments (133)
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1 Meh. Who cates? What's important is that Gov Palin will now be able to talk in her debate with Joe Biden about "when I met recently with President Karzai and President Uribe" and the American people will hear her talk about these meetings, live and unfiltered. Then maybe some voters will think to themselves, "how come I didn't see anything on the evening news about her having these meetings? How come I know more about her pregnancy than I do about her meeting with foreign leaders?" The McCain campaign can EASILY throw this right back at the media if they know what they are doing. In every interview and townhall meeting, Gov. Palin should bring up the fact that the media sent hundreds of people to Alaska to go through her sock drawer, but they could not be botherd to walk down the street to cover her meetings with foreign leaders.

Posted by: rockmom at September 23, 2008 07:26 AM (iZqUY)

2 Did the press get to ask Obama questions when he met with world leaders during his Europe trip?

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2008 07:27 AM (R8+nJ)

God I hate the media.

And how.

Big Media's totally dishonest refusal to cover both sides of the political spectrum evenly has lead us to a defensive weak Republican Party, while at the same time to allow massive dishonesty and corruption by the Democratic party to flourish.

For the latest disaster caused in no small part by this dishonesty, see the implosion of the financial markets caused by the Democrats' 2 favorite piggy banks - Big Media darlings (until very recently) Fannie and Freddie.

Posted by: maxxman at September 23, 2008 07:27 AM (OYeDg)

4 So, the networks are openly forming a cartel. Interesting,

Posted by: Anti-Trust Division of the DOJ at September 23, 2008 07:27 AM (evdj2)

5 The McCain campaign are like little children. "No you can't talk to her but you can take photos."
I mean after all why would you want your VP nominee to talk to the media? Its not like you're running for office or anything.
Pathetic.

Posted by: dixiecrat at September 23, 2008 07:27 AM (VvF51)

I think McCain finally realized that the love affair was over when the NYT refused to publish McCain's rebuttal to Obama's editorial on the war.

McCain is playing a dangerous game here. Most of the country do not frequent the blogs.

Posted by: SQM at September 23, 2008 07:28 AM (ig0MT)

Let's ask Joe Biden what he thinks.

Giggle.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 23, 2008 07:28 AM (B+qrE)

The McCain campaign are like little children.

Do tell. And what were all those rules for Michelle Obama to appear on "The View" pray tell? Mote. Beam. Eye.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 23, 2008 07:31 AM (B+qrE)

9 the news networks voted Tuesday to ban use of photographs/video of Palin's meetings.

If price-fixing is illegal, at what point does this become collusion type of illegal?

Are they serious about this? Do they not think that this might be seen as a slightly biased decision? What happened to simply reporting the fucking news and not having to have an "editorial" position on each and every fucking event?

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:31 AM (IHbof)

10 McCain should just turn her loose. How much damage could she possibly do between now and November 4th? So what if she doesn't know the name of every leader in the world. It would surprise me if Obama did. Cut her loose. Let her fly. Let her turn them into mustard seeds.

McCain/Palin 08!

Posted by: Sue at September 23, 2008 07:33 AM (Jol77)

11 The networks "voted"? How, exactly?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 23, 2008 07:33 AM (nYv/9)

12 the news networks voted Tuesday to ban use of photographs/video of Palin's meetings.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You go Old Media! The New Media will completely follow your lead and refuse to print these pictures. Really they will, Ace emailed me and said how he plans complete solidarity with the MSM. Pajamas are totally on board too. At least I think it was Ace. I assume it is because he said he was a Winner.

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 07:34 AM (Q1lie)

13 I love how they point out 'McCain hasn't held a press conference since [date]' when the hell was the last time Obama held one? And answered more than 8 questions without whining about how many questions he had to answer.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at September 23, 2008 07:35 AM (c52rb)

14 Who are the news networks? Was Fox part of this ban? They better watch themselves. We can bring them down as easily as we built them up. ::evil grin::

Posted by: Sue at September 23, 2008 07:36 AM (Jol77)

15 I seriously want to know more about this "vote" thing. Who voted? How was the vote conducted? What were the results? If a network that voted "no" to the boycott goes ahead and covers the meetings anyway, what happens to it?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 23, 2008 07:36 AM (nYv/9)

16 Obama choosing Biden is proof that God loves us and wants us to giggle constantly.

Posted by: Some Guy at September 23, 2008 07:36 AM (lPxkl)

17 ......this type of collusion become illegal......

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:36 AM (IHbof)

18 Somebody, please, in a new posting so I'll be sure to find it, 'spalin .... errr... 'splain to me about Taft-Hartley, collusion, restraint of trade, and all that stuff in the "networks voted" thing.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (OmeRL)

19 The McCain campaign are like little children. "No you can't talk to her but you can take photos."
I mean after all why would you want your VP nominee to talk to the media? Its not like you're running for office or anything.
Pathetic.

It's none of your business, retard. The campaign decides what to do, the press' job is to report, not to dictate to the campaign what to do. They can report the campaign is refusing to talk to press, they can't fucking force the campaign to do their bidding via threats of boycott.

Posted by: Ah Maddini Jab at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (78q2X)

20 Just heard on Fox that there will be 1 reporter present in addition to 1 camera. The anchor said it was an error in communications or something like that. At any rate, it looks like there will be coverage after all.

Posted by: Pianobuff at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (nZwEh)

21 A trillion dollars and no oversight, no hearings, and no review by any courts? What does Paulson plan to do, run off to Cuba with money?

Posted by: jim huffer at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (uCEFy)

The media may hate McCain, but Bill loves Sarah!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (KMyh5)

23 That sounds like McCain backed down.

Posted by: Sue at September 23, 2008 07:38 AM (Jol77)

24 Remind me what the checks and balances on the Fourth Estate are?

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 23, 2008 07:38 AM (kYpqT)

25 Joe Biden rewrites the timeline All that matters is that you can't disprove that FDR had an experimental TV studio in October 1929 and broadcast continuously until inauguration day 1933, reading from a script typed with the Word 2004 default settings.

Posted by: The Raving Atheist at September 23, 2008 07:42 AM (VKn7o)

26 So well stated.

McCain complaining about the NY TIMES takes the cake, as they endorsed him.

Liberals knew exactly what they were doing by empowering McCain in the GOP Primary.

He is a disaster, and his latest meltdown, hysterically yapping about firing the SEC Chair, and preferring the disastrous Andrew Cuomo is par for the mindless Maverick course.

McCain is a lackluster Liberal Populist at heart, who will say anything to win.

It is all embarrassing.

Posted by: hnav at September 23, 2008 07:43 AM (3UgGF)

27 The McCain campaign are like little children. "No you can't talk to her but you can take photos."
I mean after all why would you want your VP nominee to talk to the media? Its not like you're running for office or anything.
Pathetic.

You know what's really pathetic, though?

Posting under multiple nicks on the same site:
Posted by: phillip at September 22, 2008 01:41 PM (VvF51)
Posted by: dixiecrat at September 23, 2008 12:27 PM (VvF51)

Go practice your astroturfing elsewhere, troll.

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2008 07:44 AM (R8+nJ)

28 They have worked out a deal and one producer will be in the room, from CNN.
Could someone please explain what the fuck the difference is whether someone is there or not? They won't be taking questions and each network will produce the footage as they want, so what's the big deal?

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 07:45 AM (Q1lie)

29 FNC will cover it. Rush and Hannity will cover it. This is much ado about nothing - except the news collusion aspect. The average voter who is not actively perusing the blogs is likely to care less on November 4 whether they saw pics of Sarah Palin at the UN when they cast their vote. The "networks" are trying to convince themselves that they are still relevant.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 23, 2008 07:46 AM (Mt4OE)

30 #19 Repub Retard Press = commercial business. Last time I looked moron businesses are in the business of making money. If the campaigns want their particular dog and pony show act to be reported each day then they provide material that the press can sell to their viewers. Otherwise they don't get any media. It's a pretty fucking simple system. Of course the campaigns can always rely on the "new" media to get their message out. But for all the pretensions that bloggers have if I was running for president I'd probably want network news coverage not the ramblings of unpaid amateurs. Republicans just get dumber each year.

Posted by: Phillip at September 23, 2008 07:46 AM (uCEFy)

31
After reading the snit by Ben Smith of "The Politico" last night, I left reminded that in this political season the 4th estate has done the American public a disservice.
After the Iraq War started, the 4th estate spent months before they finally decided that maybe they were vigilant enough with their reporting running up to the war.
In this election, the 4th estate repeats it's error by falling into the same trap.
Fool me once, shame on you .. Fool me twice, shame on me
In this election, the 4th estate has actually allowed one of the candidates to write his own narrative, based on two auto-biographical books, that is full of holes for large time sequences.
Today, with only 40 some days remaining till the election, a bit of one of those 4 year holes is filled in, but much is still left unknown.
Will the 4th estate be contemplating their navel for that time or will they begin to ask the questions that will give the American people a complete story ?
Not only does the future of their craft stand in balance, the future of the country demands better.
If they are not up to the challenge .. we will look elsewhere.

Posted by: Neo at September 23, 2008 07:47 AM (Yozw9)

32 What's really funny about tis is that it doesn't matter if the "editorial" presence is there or not. The storyline is already written, the film will be edited afterwards to fit the pre-determined storyline and Keith and Chrissy will have another theme to blindly push regarding Sarah's "inability to function the world stage." But now they can also whine about not being allowed to be there live to set up a booth, like at the conventions, and talk over the actual events that are occurring there, so they can put their own spin on them.

Facts and reality be damned! They've got a Democrat to elect!!

I sure hope this works out well for our side, but I think the media is just too damn powerful and too damn committed to their guy to allow anything positive to come from this meeting.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:47 AM (wWwJR)

33 You know what's really pathetic, though?

Posting under multiple nicks on the same site:

Yeah, troll! No more sock puppets....

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 07:47 AM (Q1lie)

34 And again:

Posted by: Garry the great at September 22, 2008 11:33 PM (uCEFy)
Posted by: Phillip at September 23, 2008 12:46 PM (uCEFy)

Have some dignity for crying out loud.

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2008 07:49 AM (R8+nJ)

"McCain should just turn her loose."

It's called always leave them wanting more. You don't want to go the boy band direction of the O'man.

Posted by: RFC at September 23, 2008 07:50 AM (Sx0vj)

36 The liberal politicians boycotted Fox news, for a very short time anyway. Now the liberal media is boycotting the conservative candidate. What would happen if the Republican politicians boycotted the liberal MSM? I suppose it could backfire on them and they don't want to take the chance now, but I've been wishing they would do it ever since the libs refused to appear on Fox

Posted by: estee at September 23, 2008 07:51 AM (51h4I)

37 phillip/gary/gazza/freddie

Dude, you really need to settle on one name. Honestly, it would look a lot better for your team if it didn't look like there were so many fucking assholes like you on your side.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:51 AM (wWwJR)

38 MSM: All your base are belong to US!

Douchenozzles.

And to our astroturfing chaperones, I bid you a big hello!

Posted by: Jazz at September 23, 2008 07:51 AM (hnq5i)

Troll: Thumbtack

Slublog: Sledgehammer

Posted by: Andy at September 23, 2008 07:52 AM (C3mTI)

40 As she arrived for her meeting with Karzai, Palin avoided reporters who were camped out at the main front entrance of the hotel, instead pulling up in a motorcade to a side entrance and quickly sneaking inside.

Oooooooo! You sneaky sneak! Why does that turn me on somehow?

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 07:52 AM (Q1lie)

41 And on the new site:

Posted by: jim huffer at September 23, 2008 07:37 AM (uCEFy)

Posted by: Slublog at September 23, 2008 07:53 AM (R8+nJ)

Palin avoided reporters who were camped out at the main front entrance of the hotel, instead pulling up in a motorcade to a side entrance and quickly sneaking inside.

Which was the path the SECRET SERVICE CHOSE FOR HER. This kind of crap drives me absolutely nuts.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 23, 2008 07:54 AM (B+qrE)

43 Jim Huffer...Cock Sucker.....what's the difference?

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 07:54 AM (Q1lie)

"The press is the enemy" -- Richard Nixon

Posted by: railwriter at September 23, 2008 07:56 AM (nwEiU)

45 fuck the media.

For weeks they have been falling all over each other to crap on Palin.

Make em wait till she is good and ready.

It plays right into McCains hands.

Everyone knows the Media is totally pro obama and anti palin, the more they squack and scream and threaten to ban coverage the more that gets out to middle america and convinces them that the media is well...hang on, middle america already knows the media is a bunch of spineless turdbuckets...so whats the point except to piss em off?

Oh wait, pissing em off is actually worth it. GO MAC!

Posted by: Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright at September 23, 2008 07:56 AM (4VfjU)

46 jim huffer

Hmmm, that one actually seems to ring true to me for some reason.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:56 AM (wWwJR)

47 And when the British burned the Smithsonian Institution during the War of 1812, Abe Lincoln, God bless 'em, got on the holographic video box, and reassured the nation that our camel corps remained intact, ready to take the fight to the enemy.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 23, 2008 07:56 AM (Fn1HE)

48 Media whores like NYT and CNN give actual working whores a bad name.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 23, 2008 07:57 AM (VkNlv)

49 Here's another:

jim huffer at September 23, 2008 12:37 PM (uCEFy)
Phillip at September 23, 2008 12:46 PM (uCEFy)

Are you playing "Eve" or what?

Posted by: Jazz at September 23, 2008 07:57 AM (hnq5i)

50 Make em wait till she is good and ready.

This lets the media mouthpieces start to believe in their own bullshit re: Palin's abilities and intelligence. Which will only make her look even better when she fucking destroys Biden in the debate.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 07:58 AM (wWwJR)

Dixiecrat,

I haven't met any actual self-proclaimed dixiecrats before, especially since they haven't run a candidate for President in decades. Are you trying to say you're a conservative Democrat from the South or a George Wallace fan or are you a Strom Thurmond campaign staffer from 1948 that stepped out of a time machine and hates federal anti-lynching laws?

Posted by: Matt at September 23, 2008 07:58 AM (ecpMe)

52 I'm slow. So, so slow.

Posted by: Jazz at September 23, 2008 07:59 AM (hnq5i)

53 Oh, great. They're letting in CNN who just republished the discredited rape kit story.

Posted by: Booben at September 23, 2008 08:00 AM (tyxqh)

54 McCain is a complete assshole. He is hopeless, vague and needs geritol. The only reason I am voting for the douche is that Obama is an idiot communist muslim.

Posted by: Shaitan at September 23, 2008 08:00 AM (65WaW)

Strom Thurmond campaign staffer from 1948 that stepped out of a time machine and hates federal anti-lynching laws

Coke Zero up the nasal cavities is right up there with painful rectal itch on the discomfort scale. Just sayin'....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 23, 2008 08:01 AM (B+qrE)

56 Good job sniffing out the trolls - I was wondering the other day how Ace would ban people if they could just hop right back in under another name. I never realized what the purpose was to the codeletters next to my name.

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 23, 2008 08:03 AM (Mt4OE)

57 phillip/gary/gazza/freddie/dixiecrat:

We don't like racists. Get lost.

Posted by: Booben at September 23, 2008 08:04 AM (tyxqh)

58 Sometimes I think McCain is determined to lose this thing. Sorry if the following is sort of OT, but McCain's behavior has me thinking Barry will still pull this out. This morning produced some thoughts about the future under the rule of Obama. Imagine a small Iraqi household, or just about any third world household. Dirt floor, maybe a refrigerator the size of a mailbox, a single burner propane stove. Two rooms, housing six people. No closet, nothing really in the way of a wardrobe, no car, maybe a bicycle. You don't get to see a dentist or doctor except maybe once a year, with minimal treatment. Electricity is sporadic, but you only have three or four light fixtures and a small television, ten years old and ready to quit working. Hold on to this picture. This isn't what awaits America under Obama. Our ship is so large that it can't sink quickly. We won't even regress to the standard of living we had during the seventies. I grew up then, and it wasn't so bad. But we will still have computers, cell phones, the web, a big TV and kitchen, reliable electricity and two cars. We didn't have some of that in the seventies. Our houses will remain, having multiple rooms. There will still be shopping malls, freeways, hotels and stadiums. However, we will suffer begin to resemble France, or perhaps more likely Japan. Japan's economy has suffered under a very flat economy for decades. Since its peak around 39000 in 1990, the Nikkei index has shrunk to less than a third of that zenith eighteen years later. But look at Japan... its people still live a clearly first world industrial West way of life. They just have no growth, have been largely stagnant despite improvements in technology. And they aren't growing with respect to population either. Some Japanese have lifetime mortgages just to be able to afford housing. Nevertheless, they aren't living the life of the Iraqi household. If America goes down this road, we won't relive the Great Depression. Our decline will not be a bang but a whimper. Future Americans can expect little opportunity for vacations, buying a bigger house, better furnishings, better medicine or savings for the aging years. But the grocery store will be stocked. You'll just have to clip those newspaper coupons to ease the burden. You'll go visit relatives across the country once every five years rather than every year because you won't have the extra money. Your kids will live in your house until perhaps the age of thirty-five, and your relatives may have to live with you in old age instead of their own place. Retirement communities will become far too expensive for the average person. You'll pay little out of pocket for the "free" doctor or dentist, but you will have to wait months for an appointment. If you're in need of a knee replacement, unlike now when you can get one in a few weeks, you'll wait eighteen months like in the UK. But it will be free. If your incompetent dentist tears up your mouth during your dental cleaning, you can switch dentists, but you'll have to wait twelve months to get in line for a new one. Still, you won't have to pay for it out of pocket. You will have to forget about shopping at Whole Foods and start buying plain wrap brands at the mega-chain supermarket, forgoing the fresher better produce. But you'll still get your 2000 calories per day. New, better, faster technology will still be developed, but you will have to wait years to afford it, and it will arrive more slowly than before. You'll have to keep your car for ten years minimum, because the expense will be prohibitive to buy a new one. You'll have to replace the batteries in the hybrid too, after many years, which will cost almost as much as a new car, but not quite as much. You won't be able to get that car loan so easily, anyway. America will not become a nation of houses with dirt floors. But you will wear your Jimmy Carter sweater and like it. You'll have to, as the wind and solar farms prove too few and too exotic and over budget to supplant petroleum fuels which will be more and more expensive or scarce. Or even outlawed by green legislation. Living in the America issuing forth from the age of Obama won't be hell on earth, but America is the engine driving the world economy. Right now, Western Europe is on the verge of recession if not there already. An America gone stagnant like Japan will plunge Europe into long decline. And the Iraqi household? The billions like it around the world? They are the ones that will truly suffer the consequences of a moribund America. Without an American economy to provide a market for the output of third world nations, people living in dirt floor houses will see the prospect of leaving them disappear. Obama will consign billions outside of America to permanent poverty. That is the compassion Obama represents. I grew up in the seventies, and if you are old enough to recall what the atmosphere offered us, it was full of despair and pessimism. This will be the America of Obama. One might think that after dumping the cynicism of the Nixon years and the triumph of left-wing Democratic politics, the culture would have taken to rejoicing and celebrating the new era of clean, democratic society. But just look at the culture the seventies produced. The prevailing attitude in TV, movies, books, and so forth was relentlessly negative. We had a decade of hand-wringing, a collective chant of "mea culpa," of our cultural fountainheads telling us how dreadful America is. It could be seen trickling down into even narrow slices of culture. For example, as a teenage sci-fi reader the novels of the time didn't dwell on an optimistic future of advances and prosperity, when they projected America's future. We had novels filled with dystopia, overpopulation, dictatorships. Think of the movies. Soylent Green, ZPG, Silent Running, the Planet of the Apes series, Westworld. Technology gone wrong, society gone wrong, the planet gone wrong. My point is not that the cultural elite's negative view of America and the West disappears when, say, Reagan arrives on scene. Just as many dystopian fantasies appeared during the eighties. But when the left was in charge, when they were the dominant cultural force, they didn't offer us relief or optimism. The unceasing vitriol for America remained, even when America labored under left wing rule. So I say when Obama and the fully left-wing Congress runs the show, don't expect that our cultural betters will suddenly become cheerful. Don't expect accusations that America is racist to the core, to abate. In fact, they will redouble. Don't expect Hollywood or Famous Novelists in the New York Times to produce works portraying America in a better light. The hatred of classical liberal values and the America that, however imperfectly, represents them, is high religion to the left. If the left-wing ethos of Obama prevails in November, it will say to our opponents "We've got them on the run, now let's finish them off." So in that case, get out your Jimmy Carter wardrobe. We'll all survive, doing with less. But God help the rest of the world.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 23, 2008 08:05 AM (AZGON)

59 Oops. "However, we will suffer begin to resemble France, or perhaps more likely Japan." I meant the fate we will suffer will begin to resemble France or more likely Japan.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 23, 2008 08:07 AM (AZGON)

60 Our position on foreign policy?

I think Franklin Roosevelt said it best when he reached the top of San Diego Hill:
"Walk softly and keep a firm grip on your big stick."
We have big sticks you know, Obama is black and I'm tall so you know.
McCain is short with a little stick and Palin is a girl.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 23, 2008 08:09 AM (Q1lie)

61 Did someone say sockpuppets? I love a good sockpuppet show!

Posted by: Glenn Ellensburg at September 23, 2008 08:10 AM (ATBwB)

"The McCain campaign are like little children." That's why my fellow Whig party members are supporting Obama this year.

Posted by: Matt at September 23, 2008 08:13 AM (ecpMe)

63 OT. (sorry, but the following really scares the crap out of me.)

"The alternative is complete financial Armageddon and a great depression," said a former Federal Reserve official. "Where do they go after this? Well, the U.S. government could nationalize the banking system outright."

If this week's bailout doesn't work, the government will probably have no choice but to continue to buy assets. There's no one left to pick up the tab. "The private sector got us into this mess," said House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.). "The government has to get us out of it."
This is the meme that will dump us quickly into socialism.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 23, 2008 08:13 AM (/FUhT)

64 One serious question.....
What the hell is Biden doing to that poor girl in the video anyway? Greco Roman wrestling? What Republican would ever be allowed to get away with calling women sweetie and touching them anywhere other than their hands or a hug from a fan?

Posted by: Rocks at September 23, 2008 08:14 AM (Q1lie)

65 Posted by: Shaitan at September 23, 2008 01:00 PM (65WaW)

Shaitan, ae you a Christian? If so, are you Concerned^tm?

More importantly, do you honestly believe we are so stupid as to not see through your pathetic attempt to astroturf? After all of the attention that has been given to idiots like you, you really need to think about stepping up your game.

Seriously, it's been done before and by much more creative people than you.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 23, 2008 08:15 AM (wWwJR)

66 I have a plan for phillip/gary/gazza/freddie/dixiecrat so he/she/it can help out our economy and preserve his sockpuppetness at the same time. Go buy a new router every time you post and behold, you get a new hash and inject $50 to $100 per post! This economic plan courtesy of the VRWC.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 23, 2008 08:15 AM (AZGON)

67 RUH ROH REORGE Obama is going down down down

http://tinyurl.com/5y2vld

Posted by: PaREP> at September 23, 2008 08:16 AM (dWdDN)

The MSM never liked McCain. He was just a useful fool to them whenever they needed a moderate Republican to bash Bush or conservatives over the head.

McCain just lives under this delusion that the Democrats can be trusted and that they're really just misguided and good at heart.

Posted by: El Kabong at September 23, 2008 08:16 AM (41KxF)

I dunno. Pissing off the media probably keeps them interested in swarming around you instead of Obama.

And everyone knows that Hairplugs just needs one or two around to record the gaffe of the day.

So maybe Team McCain is simply keeping its ememy close, so to speak.

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 23, 2008 08:17 AM (MSMPS)

70 Shaitan, ae you a Christian? If so, are you Concerned^tm?

Heh. I believe the word 'Shaitan' is either Persian or Arabic for 'Satan'.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 23, 2008 08:18 AM (FO+YO)

Asking Barney Frank and Chris Dodd about policy prescriptions for the financial crisis is like asking Barney Frank and Chris Dodd about policy prescriptions for the financial crisis.

Yeah, it give a wicked, icepick-behind-the-left-eye headache.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 23, 2008 08:20 AM (B+qrE)

72 I still think the McCain campaign should issue press passes that read 'ADVOCATE FOR OBAMA' in big letters.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 23, 2008 08:21 AM (FO+YO)

73 If the press votes not to use pictures of the event, it amounts to collusion. There are federal laws against this sort of concerted action.

I hope they follow through with their illegal boycott.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 23, 2008 08:22 AM (nOQ1R)

74 "I believe the word 'Shaitan' is either Persian or Arabic for 'Satan'."

It's Arabic for "enemy" or "adversary". The muzzies use it as a term for the devil as well...

Posted by: Achmed at September 23, 2008 08:23 AM (x7T2O)

75 Well, I wasn't too far wrong. Thanx, Achmed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 23, 2008 08:25 AM (FO+YO)

76
@51

Dixiecrat,

Phillip started posting as Dixiecrat last night, after somebody mentioned Dixiecrats. His first post quoted George Wallace. Phillip Gary CockHuffer is a liberal astroturfing fuckwit.

Posted by: POTL at September 23, 2008 08:27 AM (mD4t/)

77 I don't understand, does the press actually expect to be in the room during Palin's meetings with the foreign leaders? I thought in these situations there is a photo op (before or after the meeting) with some small talk, but the actual talks were private.

Posted by: mark at September 23, 2008 08:32 AM (fzZwa)

78 No problem Oregon, I'm just glad I can put my rather meager Arabic skills to good use.

I'm pretty sure Shaitan actually meant to use the name Sharmuta. Seems a bit more appropriate...

Posted by: Achmed at September 23, 2008 08:32 AM (x7T2O)

79 This sounds silly, b/c most of the video of the candidates that I watch comes online. So what if the three blind mice don't send cameras to photograph the attractive governor of Alaska. Have they a monopoly on cameras? No. And with sites like Hot Air, they have no monopoly on distribution of video. Caving to the drive-bys is much less satisfying than routing around them.

Posted by: steve poling at September 23, 2008 08:33 AM (hnq5i)

"the news networks voted Tuesday "

That is a pretty bi smoking gun. Where is the anti-trust suit being filed?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 23, 2008 08:35 AM (CiVat)

81 #54 Obama is an idiot communist muslim

Spot-on.

So my question, since we're on the topic of media, is: How can it be that there is virtually NO awareness of this fact in this country? Sometimes I honestly do think I must be in the Twilight Zone, some alternative parallel universe. Because, in the REAL universe, there's no way the United States of America would be on the verge of electing a genuine COMMUNIST!

I keep waiting for someone to wake me up from this bad dream/B-movie/sci-fi/alternative reality/whatever it is.

You guys on these blogs (and AoSHQ is DA BOMB!) help keep me sane---but how we gonna WIN this fucker in November.....

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah---an angel sent from God!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 23, 2008 08:36 AM (Jn1FY)

82 This election has officially entered Bizarro World, and I'm going back to the drugs of my foolish youth. There's no other way. That is all.

Posted by: Bugler at September 23, 2008 08:39 AM (YCVBL)

83 No, Kathy from Kansas, #54 is not spot on. Obama may be an idiot Communist, but he is not a Muslim. He spent 20 years going to Jeremiah Wright's wacko hateful church. Besides several people were busting on Shaitan for astroturfing above.

Posted by: POTL at September 23, 2008 08:43 AM (mD4t/)

What's Biden's IQ anyway? What proof is there that it is as high as he claims?

I'm seeing a lawyer who's dumb enough to be caught plagarizing. Pardon my skepticism.

Posted by: MarkD at September 23, 2008 08:47 AM (MMy4A)

# 50: Wiserbud

This lets the media mouthpieces start to believe in their own bullshit re: Palin's abilities and intelligence. Which will only make her look even better when she fucking destroys Biden in the debate.

Hell, at this point all Palin has to do is sound intelligent and draw even. I imagine there is a good chance Palin will easily win, but there is a reason why campaigns try to always downplay expectations. So you can potentially blow them out of the water. To have the press do this on their own for Palin, just like they did with her nomination speech, which she absolutely nailed, just shows how un-self aware they are in their bias and attitude.

If she shows well in the debate, (or hell, even just holds her own) the entire past month of time and resources bad-mouthing Palin is completely and irrepairably wasted.

Dumbasses.

Posted by: Lee at September 23, 2008 08:48 AM (TxTIh)

86 " Remind me what the checks and balances on the Fourth Estate are? " The check comes when someone pipes Olberloon to the ground. The balance comes when they ask him as he lays there bleeding, "What's the frequency Kenneth?"

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 23, 2008 08:50 AM (6BgmB)

I dunno. Pissing off the media probably keeps them interested in swarming around you instead of Obama.

This philosophy worked for the Pitt-Jolie babies, when they were denied access. How much was a photo going for then?. Nothing makes that hornet nest as mad as saying "No access".

Posted by: roy at September 23, 2008 08:53 AM (cB77O)

"Remind me what the checks and balances on the Fourth Estate are?"

Subscriptions and ad revenue. That simple.

Posted by: Lee at September 23, 2008 08:53 AM (TxTIh)

89 OT, but I'm sure Biden is going to claim that Abraham Lincoln pwned the South on Youtube

Posted by: SQM at September 23, 2008 08:53 AM (ig0MT)

90 Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 23, 2008 01:50 PM (6BgmB)

And the prestige is when Obama screeches "Why Me. Why MEEEEE?"

Posted by: krakatoa at September 23, 2008 08:55 AM (/FUhT)

Bugler: Forget the drugs of your foolish yoot. Try the new ones, like sniffing lines of WD 40.

Bizarro World is reality. Enjoy.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at September 23, 2008 08:55 AM (QMGr1)

92 The media are not interested in honest reporting on Palin, they are just camped out waiting to do a drive-by shooting on her. Why would camp McCain give a flying fuck what they do or say?

Posted by: nord at September 23, 2008 08:56 AM (azL8r)

Obama's dad was Mulim, Tradition is to take the religon of the father(since women are less than zero). He also registered at a Catholic scholl as a Muz.

He may not be Muslim now, But he sure as hell was.

Posted by: Russel Ziskey at September 23, 2008 08:57 AM (LlaBi)

POTL- I hadn't seen Slublog's definitive outing of the guy as a sockpuppet so I was trying to subtly show Dixiecrat was full of crap.

His attempt at sockpuppetry is hilarious on many levels. The left actually believes the ridiculous caricatures they've made of the right- scratch a McCain voter and you'll find a Klansman. Their depictions of Bush as a puppet of his billionaire oil company paymasters could be taken right out of the old Soviet propaganda posters that had Uncle Sam hanging out with fat guys with top hats and spats, smoking cigars.

Posted by: Matt at September 23, 2008 09:01 AM (ecpMe)

95 #58 George Orwell

Good analysis. Especially your point that the people who will really suffer the most from an American decline will be the billions in the hovels of the Third World. Obama will consign billions outside of America to permanent poverty. That is the compassion Obama represents. Well, this is the millionaire Hyde Park guy, after all, who has a half-brother living in a shack in Kenya on $1 a day and who can't be bothered to give him a little financial support. "We are the world," yeah, right.

Orwell, I would only add a few dimensions to the picture you present. America under Obama will not only be a poorer, duller, grimmer place, it will also be a more brutal place. We're talking about the guy who repeatedly voted in favor of allowing infanticide to continue in Illinois hospitals. (www.bornalivetruth.org) Even NARAL did not oppose the legislation Obama opposed (they were "neutral" on it). The guy has got some kind of serious mental obsession on the whole thing of babies. "I don't want my daughter punished with a baby," etc.

Add to that the proven historical fact that nationalized health care always leads to rationing of health care--which always leads to euthanasia. Already many insurance companies are wanting to make prenatal genetic testing mandatory for continued coverage, then if you choose to have a "defective" baby anyway, they discontinue coverage. (One reason, perhaps, that there are so many "wrongful birth" lawsuits.) Under Obamacare, the current rate of abortion of Down syndrome babies--90 percent--would probably come very close to 100%. Hell, in the Netherlands, they're euthanizing "defective" newborns--often without the parents' consent. No more Baby Trigs....

In England, they're talking publicly now about the possibility of "putting down" the senile elderly as a cost-cutting measure. Obamacare (or Hillarycare, for that matter) will lead logically--and, I suspect, more quickly than you think--to the same scenario here. If I didn't have a farm to take care of, I'd move to Mexico. Really. It may be crazy down there, but it's not an "organized" crazy like the Brave New World of Obamacare or Hillarycare would be. Isn't that precisely why the Holocaust has a unique horror, even when there have been equally massive slaughters in human history? What horrifies us about the Shoah is not just the murders themselves, but that the whole thing was so organized, so technical, so efficient. (not the first descriptors that come to my mind when I think "Mexico")

I'm brushing up on my espanol.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 23, 2008 09:08 AM (Jn1FY)

96 Couric probably wondered what cable service Roosevelt subscribed to.

Posted by: Fred at September 23, 2008 09:14 AM (0XpI7)

97 Russel Ziskey at September 23, 2008 01:57 PM (LlaBi):
He may not be Muslim now, But he sure as hell was.

What the bloody hell does 'used to be(when he was six)' have to do with anything with a man in his 40s in the U.S.A?

I'm not going to even argue with you. Just, go ahead, start digging, and when I get interested again, I'll toss some dirt down on you.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 23, 2008 09:16 AM (/FUhT)

98 Gee...I don't recall the outrage from the private Obama meetings or the media's problem with his campaign banning any footage other than what was shot, edited and approved by the Obama camp while they followed him around the world like a bunch of Grateful Dead groupies.

Posted by: Damiano at September 23, 2008 09:19 AM (sPMuE)

99 @93 Russell

Obama's dad was Mulim, Tradition is to take the religon of the father(since women are less than zero). He also registered at a Catholic scholl as a Muz.

He may not be Muslim now, But he sure as hell was.

And? So don't vote for him, because he used to be Muslim? Or is he some kind of sleeper double-Muslim now? There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for the guy. Thats not really a factor. I'm Jewish because my mother is Jewish. I don't celebrate any Jewish holidays, or keep kosher and I believe in Jesus Christ. Barry is probably about as Muslim and I am a practicing Jew.

@94 Matt its cool. Whatever they hope to accomplish by astroturfing is really lame. Dude probably has nothing better to do between pulling his pud to a Che poster.

Posted by: POTL at September 23, 2008 09:20 AM (mD4t/)

100 pulling up in a motorcade to a side entrance and quickly sneaking inside

Really. Did she tiptoe? Did she look left, and then right, and duck her head down? What factual basis does this nitwit have to back up the claim that she was "sneaking"? Maybe she simply walked inside quickly. Maybe she just entered the building. Sneaking is what Snidely Whiplash does. Sneaking is what Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky did. Sneaking is what Sandy Burger did. I'd bet good money that Sarah Palin was not sneaking.

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at September 23, 2008 09:21 AM (kZT4X)

101 I don't talk to the press anymore. (Not that I hold press conferences every week) But when I'm out and about at local events, I tell them to get bent if they want some "man on the street" action. Happened about 4-5 times within the last few years. So what ends up happening is that only libs may want to talk to them??

Just a thought.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at September 23, 2008 09:26 AM (Ky6RR)

102
@99 as I am, not and I am _{("That's what I said!")}

Posted by: POTL at September 23, 2008 09:26 AM (mD4t/)

103

Head meet sand.

Plenty of reasons not to vote for Barack Hussien Obama. Plenty of reasons not to vote for McCain in my opinion. I will be voting for Palin.

Posted by: Russel Ziskey at September 23, 2008 09:26 AM (LlaBi)

104 Good on ya, Russel.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 23, 2008 09:31 AM (/FUhT)

105 Why the hell did they give the pool presence to CNN? I would have stiff-armed the jerks one more time by making them all use a FOX NEWS pool camera and producer. But, I'm not a campaign manager. Oh, well.

Posted by: Brian72 at September 23, 2008 09:49 AM (h6lGQ)

106 Crazy Uncle Joey Plugs is the kind of guy who tells you the same fucking fishing story over and over, and with every retelling, his fish get bigger and there are more of them.

And let's not forget about the one that got away. BeJebus, that goddamn monster is the granddaddy of all of God's other fish in the entire world! ...And after looking it in the eye at arms length, after a three hour fight, and two broken poles, it damn near sunk the boat and escaped with half of the tackle box attached to it's lower lip, like Dennis Rodman.

Posted by: Fritz at September 23, 2008 09:50 AM (UU4Hu)

107 Sarah Palin does not sneak, she saunters.

Posted by: toby928: Caesarist at September 23, 2008 09:53 AM (evdj2)

108

Let the muslim communist win. I don't want conservatism tainted with whats coming down the pike in the next 4 years. Its gonna be ugly and there is nothing that anyone can do to avoid it/soften it/ignore it/make it go away. I would rather that this fool and his band of shabby minstrels be in charge when this tsunami comes ashore.

Posted by: Bubba Gump Investments Inc at September 23, 2008 09:55 AM (r/CWb)

109 Let the muslim communist win. I don't want conservatism tainted with whats coming down the pike in the next 4 years. Its gonna be ugly and there is nothing that anyone can do to avoid it/soften it/ignore it/make it go away. I would rather that this fool and his band of shabby minstrels be in charge when this tsunami comes ashore.

Bubba Gump, there are only three problems with that line of reasoning:
1) Supreme Court.
2) Supreme Court.
3) Supreme Court.

Obama might only be in there for four years, but the two and possibly three Supreme Court Justices he'll appoint we'll be stuck with for 40 years.

Oh, and one other little problem: Obama will not keep us safe from a major terrorist attack. Think: bye-bye, New York and L.A.
(OK, I know what you're thinking....but let's try to be civil here!)

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 23, 2008 10:10 AM (Jn1FY)

110
I'm a little late to discussion. Let me get this straight: the press voted not to cover a story? There wasn't one news organization willing to buck the boycott in order to get a scoop? What the fuck is this, the Information Collective?

Posted by: Brown Line at September 23, 2008 10:16 AM (VrNoa)

111 What the fuck is this, the Information Collective?

Well, yes it is, now that you mention it. Resistance is futile.

Posted by: Brian72 at September 23, 2008 10:21 AM (h6lGQ)

112 What the fuck is this, the Information Collective?

Its like waking up in a Ayn Rand novel isn't it?

Posted by: toby928: Caesarist at September 23, 2008 10:24 AM (evdj2)

113 Maybe Governor Palin hasn't spent enough "quality time" with the Cheap Shot Media because you people have wiretapped her home and stolen her mail, accused her husband of infidelity, attacked her children, called her a whore, a thief, a liar and an unfit mother. If you could get any drunken Democrat guttersnipe from here to Anchorage to mouth an accusation between bouts of vomiting in an alley, you printed those accusations as facts on your front pages in screaming banner headlines. You're like Peeping Toms and stalkers, standing on a box outside her bathroom window, touching yourselves and mumbling "I know she loves me--why won't she talk to me?" You're like a bunch of jaded old whoremongers in an old Western; as the calico cathouse curtains flap in the breeze, you look out the window and see a fresh-faced girl get off the noon train, holding her hat against the wind. You're all thinking that in no time at all, you'll have her working in Madame Hillary's DC House of Ill Repute--"Whores Re-Formed While U Wait!" But I think she's going to have you working for her. Because of the purity of her purpose and the content of her character, Sarah Palin is a mirror to your faces and a stumbling block to your feet. That's why you look at her and see only your own ugliness reflected back. And that's why everytime you try to lob a grenade at her, you stumble and lose a few more fingers and toes as the bomb goes off at your own feet. Keep it up, Stumpy. Teleprompter Boy would have liked to have been there. He's happy to meet unconditionally with Iran's dictator--but not Alaska's governor! That's just where he bravely draws the line.

Posted by: Noel at September 23, 2008 10:35 AM (4gHqM)

114 Most of those left-wing journalists are big time demacrat supporters in every election that why you cant trust those scumballs

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at September 23, 2008 10:49 AM (MHCX4)

115

George Orwell and Kathy in Kansas:

I got nothing to add to what you said. Thanks.

Posted by: texette at September 23, 2008 11:02 AM (W6h8V)

116 FoxNews also agreed to not be a party to the media lockout that the McCain/Palin camp was trying to force. Read the FoxNews' producer's blog report for yourself: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/palin-media-blackout-continues/

Posted by: yuengie at September 23, 2008 11:16 AM (GAXO5)

117
Noel, let's not get carried away. I like Palin, a lot, but she's a politician, not some plaster saint. Let's leave the hagiography to the disciples of Teleprompter Jesus.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 23, 2008 11:57 AM (VrNoa)

118

Mark D (#84) asked:

^{"What's Biden's IQ anyway?"}

I don't know what Biden's IQ is, but he was smart enough to realize that his law degree from Syracuse U. is nothing to write home to mother about.

Years ago he said something to the effect of: "I went to a law school so bad they would give even me a degree." (He graduated 70-something in a class of 80-something.)

I live not far from Syracuse, and I remember some SU partisans being pissed at the time about this (truthful) statement.

The interesting thing about Joe is not his intellect (I would guess his IQ is maybe 120, also nothing to write home to mother about), but the facility with which he mangles the thoughts that he lacks the self-control to leave unspoken.

I always see guys like him as being kind of natural speed-freaks, with all kinds of disjointed thoughts flying around in their heads. Whichever thought is closest to his mouth when he opens escapes, and he has to listen to see what he just said!

I loved the "FDR on TV right after the 1929 market crash." It is something I would expect to hear from my bright 6-year-old granddaughter!

Posted by: doc_benway at September 23, 2008 12:05 PM (o1jjp)

119 I'm thinking the reason Fox News is being so douchy lately is because they're afraid. If Obama gets elected he's most likely going to start getting rid of all the conservative media to save the basically decent American folks from being led astray.

Posted by: estee at September 23, 2008 12:44 PM (51h4I)

120

estee (#119):

Fox News rightly fears that a Democrap president and a Democrap congress would revive the soi-disant "Fairness Doctrine," which would be a disaster for them and us.

(The term soi-disant if Frog French for "I have my head up my ass.")

Posted by: doc_benway at September 23, 2008 01:09 PM (o1jjp)

121 "Is," not "if" (although the typo give the statement a certain je ne sais quoi, which is Frog for "What the fuck?")

Posted by: doc_benway at September 23, 2008 01:12 PM (o1jjp)

122

"Gives," not "give."

("Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose," which is Frog for "There he goes again! Christ, can't four big guys like you even keep Benway in his cell?")

Posted by: doc_benway at September 23, 2008 01:18 PM (o1jjp)

123 The McCain solution to this sort of BS is simple.

Totally bypass the PRESSSSident and let NewsMax, PJM and any other appropriately aligned blog video cover Palin. Then post the results on the internet conservative blogs -- with copyrights.

Let the PRESSSSident taste a bit of their own medicine and see how they feel about having their world turned upside down. Let AP and the PRESSSSident stew over paying some higher than thou price for broadcasting videos.

If successful, and there's no reason it wouldn't be, it could set a long over due trend away from the PRESSSSidential bias. One might even start asking for other long over due concessions, like having a political balance in their news and editorial staffing from the top down.

You've been dealt a good hand, you've got the chips under your control, make the play.

Posted by: drfredc at September 23, 2008 02:52 PM (9jraf)

124 Ok, now I'm mad. I stopped at a Chinese restaurant to grab my dinner, and they had CNN up on the TV. I figured I'd watch cause I had nothing better to do, and Campbell Brown comes on. And then that idiot launches into a tirade against John McCain...get this...for sexism! Over this exact article! Only she said that McCain had refused to allow any press in to see Palin's meeting, and this was a sexist act because Palin shouldn't be shielded from the media!

I am so PISSED OFF to have this woman lie to my face. Sexism?!?! What the flying fuck?!

I know, I know, Ace has been asking us to keep it clean, but...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I could vote any harder for McCain/Palin, I would!

Posted by: Ack at September 23, 2008 03:36 PM (qhAlm)

125 There is no media. There's only the world's largest publicity agency for the left, we call them the MSM out of an abundant sense of irony.

Would that McCain/Palin had just shrugged and said "okay."

How long do you figure it would take for a press corps boycott of one party, the party they always oppose, to backfire?

Hundreds of millions of people would realize what we already know - they're being lied to every day.

Posted by: Merovign at September 23, 2008 05:39 PM (UXoQt)

126 #117 Brown Line; When I say Gov. Palin has "purity of purpose" and "content of character", I mean that she has proven her integrity and that her political purpose of reform has been borne out by her actions--not that she's a plaster saint. That's not haigiography--that's biography.

Posted by: Noel at September 23, 2008 06:43 PM (4gHqM)

127 #124, your cri de coeur broke the wordwrap on the thread. But it was for a good cause.

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