1 No need to apologize.  This is a huge issue, and it's justifyable to be annoyed and afraid of Mccain for this, even if he's obviously 1000000x better than Obama on this and many other issues.

2

Yet their lives are turned upside down and their families impacted. Should we stop enforcing those laws as well?

Shut the hell up and fall in line. They're running a black man! OooOOooO! Scary!

3 You can say being here illegally isn’t really that big of a deal  ...

He can say it but it would be a lie. Illegal immigration has turned my city into a dumb. I'm stuck paying high taxes for services to illegal immigrants and seeing service provided to me which I pay for disappear. The infrastructure and the quality of life suck due to illegal immigration.  The flood of cheap labor drives down wages. They flock to one job category to another turning it into another job that Americans won't do, e.g., dry wall, construction. Now they want driver's licenses so they can take over delivery jobs and force wages down for that, too. They don't pay taxes. And the localities have to support them. The feds aren't going to subsidize their housing, pay for their kids school, pay for their medical care, pay for the costs of prosecuting and incarcerating them. 14 billion dollars each year in California alone.

I'm not voting for McCain. Even if I wasn't so hot and bothered about illegal immigration, it would bother me that the man continues to say one thing and then just the opposite a short time later.

4 In order to actually have any kind of impact, this site might want to consider taking it to the next level. That would include pointing out a link that NALEO has and recognizing that McCain isn't listening to you. This site could come up with grand ideas all day long and it wouldn't make any difference. The only way to have an impact is to publicly discredit McCain by asking him embarassing questions and then uploading his (hopefully lame) responses to Youtube. See my name's link for examples of those who don't know how to ask questions trying to do that, with little success.

Instead of concentrating on grand plans, concentrate on coming up with a good question and a good questioner, and getting them to go to one of his events.

5 "..... attrition will work ......." Hey! McAmnesty! Damned right it will work. It's working in your own damn state ya frekin' moron! FIRST: Secure the borders SECOND: Enforce the laws, particularly IDENTIFY THEFT. Let's do that for your first 4 years and see how many of God's "illegal children" are still hear.

6

McCain could do damn near anything at this point and still get my vote:

Amnesty for illegals? Pshaw!

Calls Cindy the "C" word in public? So?

Kills a family of kittens in front of a vacation Bible school class? Bring it on!

It all comes down to one issue for me now: The Supremes.

Nothing trumps that for me now.

7

Get behind John McCain!l

I know I did.

8 Get behind John McCain!l

Hard to do when he's already working us from behind.

9 Heh, heh.  jmflynny thinks McCain will appoint conservative justices.  BWA HA HA!  They might be somewhat less liberal that who Obama would appoint, but they'll be liberal enough to vote with the left liberal bloc, making it a moot point.

10 "Perhaps attrition will work and make the problem more manageable."

Attrition DOES work.  That's why they tried to ram through the Comprehensive Piece of Shit last time, and why they'll try again.  They're afraid.

11 It all comes down to one issue for me now: The Supremes.

How many Supremes can drop dead in four years? TWO! Stevens and Ginsburg. They can be replaced by leftards and it won't make too much difference. Obama can't last more then one term. McCain I don't even trust to nominate conservatives anymore. Too much of that reaching across the aisle crap. And he was the guy who thought Alito was too conservative. Why? Because they already had Roberts? So, again, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit.

12 I keep waiting for the McCain conference call with bloggers where somebody has the balls to ask him the tough questions and not let him weasel out.  The msm is always getting criticized for that, so are conservative bloggers any better.  IOW, are we mice or men?

13

I can't believe I'm asking this, but what was so wrong with Huckabee?

Oh, I remember, that soft on crime thing.

Was there anything else I'm forgetting?

14 _{What's that squeaking sound I keep hearing?}

15 It all comes down to one issue for me now: The Supremes.

Yes, and? do you think it really matters that much, given that the Dems will have a solid majority in the Senate, and the current leadership (in general) and the current Judicary committe (in particular) will have no, none, nada, zilch reason to confirm an originalist to the high court. At best, we'll see some Kennedy-like justices get thru. At worst, it'll be genetic clones of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

He might be able to sneak a Roberts thru, but I think the Dems will be on alert for such candidates.

And amnesty for at least 20 million - and maybe as many as 40 million - illegals will seal the deal for the Democrats until they can pack the court with Ruth Bader Ginsberg clones and announce the new People's Democratic Republic of America. They'll just be carrying out the will of the people, you understand.

Yes, yes, I understand, Obama will do the same, just faster. Unfortunately, the choice is one of how fast we come to that end game.

16 Was there anything else I'm forgetting?

There's the whole nanny state thing. That wasn't too cool.  And he's not much different than McCain on immigration or at least he wasn't at one point. He may have 'evolved' on that.

17

I want Fred to give me a refund.

I'm going to need that money for therapy.

18 Getting close to voting for Obama vs. McCain.  Thought at first I would just skip the POTUS line but now not so sure.  This moron keeps thumbing me in the eye and I will do the M.A.D. thing.  

19 I was just struck by the observation that the left has decided the War on Terror is a law enforcement issue, but the War on Drugs and the problem with Illegal Immigration is not.

I don't know that observation is at all clarifying -- at this point there is bloody little coming from the left, or John McCain, that needs any more clarification as they seem to be quite committed to their core vanities, and quite willing to throw their law-abiding countrymen under the bus to confirm their warped sense of righteousness.

20
"Children of God"? Oh, for cripes sake.

I am gnashing my teeth. Yes, I am: gnashing.

I agree with several here that McCain can't be trusted to nominate constructionist (i.e., conservative) justices to the Supreme Court. In fact, I don't think he will ... if he gets the chance.

I loathe Obama but I can't stand McCain.

Gnashing ... gnashing ... gnashing ...

21 The only way to have an impact is to publicly discredit McCain by asking him embarassing questions and then uploading his (hopefully lame) responses to Youtube.

Oh, you mean something like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADmuftIjlSE

/sarc

22 I think it would be better to pressure our reps than McCain on this issue. A whole lot of Democrats are for getting rid of the illegals too, and their reps will be more scared then McCain. Plus they actually vote on the bills.

23

   I keep wondering just what is so difficult to understand about the phrase ILLEGAL immigrants.

   We don't need "comprehensive immigration legislation", the EXISTING laws need to be enforced.

    We have the means to do so, I submit we haven't the WILL.

24 "what was so wrong with Huckabee?"

The fact that he was a pro-amnesty, anti-war, pro-criminal bullshitter who took votes away from actual conservatives?

I hate McCain, but Huckster might actually have me donating to Obamessiah.

25

I'm not voting for McCain. Even if I wasn't so hot and bothered about illegal immigration, it would bother me that the man continues to say one thing and then just the opposite a short time later.

Stupid is as stupid does: PC uncomfortable hypocrisy not to admit that Obama is 100% malleable.

On immigration rhetoric there may not be a huge sound bite differentiation except that Obama is a Marxist and McCain is not a Marxist, so somewhere in the ensuing legislation there WILL be differentiation, particularly in how the Supreme Court will determine. Obama will nominate the likes of John Edwards or Hillary Clinton to the Supreme Court. Fred Thompson will vet McCain's SCOTUS nominees to thwart the demise of our Constitution.

So even in the convoluted political world, there is a difference between McCain and Obama, the latter allied with terrorists. And Iran/Israel are beating the war drums for attack within the year particularly sooner with an Obama victory.  NOW let's sense discomfort.

26

"the left has decided the War on Terror is a law enforcement issue, but the War on Drugs and the problem with Illegal Immigration is not."--krakatoa

Good point. Consistency has its virtue. At least it provides predictability or "clarity of vision" of what dope hope believes in.

What a lauding bunch of goons to adorn themselves with the word "audacity" to "change" whatever feels uncomfortable to a Marxist given free reign. All of those pricks with ubertard sensitivities granting more power to the progressives in the name of preserving honor are the truly audacious. "I'm not voting for McCain because [fill in the blank]", that's YOU with the ubertard sensitivity vs. sensability. $.02

27

PC "they are children of God, too"--

WHO ISN'T? Who said anyone wasn't? PC bs. Leave God out of it unless you are running as God's elect, particularly if one's assumption of deity is means to destroy Obama's premise. Steer clear of the bain that brought both the Romney & Huckabee demise. At this point with American multiculturalism overwhelming our melting pot identity, for a candidate to say God this or that only pricks up the ears of voter distrust.

28

McCain has worked very hard to keep some of Bush's conservative judges off the courts, so he has no credibility there.

I'll never vote for him.

29 To echo maverick muse, I'd just like to point out that the butchers of al Qaeda are God's children, too, but we still blow them up every opportunity we get.  In a perfectly Christian sort of way, of course.  Like the sniper in "Saving Private Ryan."

30 It all comes down to one issue for me now: The Supremes.

So, naturally, you're voting for the guy who threw a bunch of good conservative judges under the bus for the sake of preserving the Democrats' right to filibuster judges.

I keep waiting for the McCain conference call with bloggers where somebody has the balls to ask him the tough questions and not let him weasel out.

No one who would ask McCain a tough question ever gets invited to one of those conference calls.

31

  McCain will nominate conservative Supreme Court Justices?  O really?

  Off the top of your head, who's the best president of the 20th Century?  If you're like most of the Republicans I know, you're more than likely to say "Ronald Reagan".  Reagan was a conservative.  Reagan cared what his fellow conservatives thought about his policies.  Reagan reached out to his fellow conservatives.

  Ronald Reagan placed Kennedy and O'Connor on the Supreme Court.  Do you really think that John McCain will do a better job of nominating Supreme Court justices than Ronald Wilson Reagan did?  Even if you totally ignore the whole "Gang of 14" shenanigans, I think that anyone who says that McCain will be completely trustworthy on this issue should put down their crack pipe and take a step back.

32

So, naturally, you're voting for the guy who threw a bunch of good conservative judges under the bus for the sake of preserving the Democrats' right to filibuster judges.

 

  Socky, you're right, but you understate the problem here.  McCain didn't want to preserve the Left's right to filibuster judges.  His compromise allowed them to squelch the nominations in committee, preventing the need for a filibuster or even a "no" vote against a qualified nominee.

33

I have said repeatedly on this blog that I am no fan of McCain, but I've never said that that fact would lend to a vote for Obama.

It's simply nuts for those who hate McCain's mid-to-left tendencies to then cast a rebellious vote for the far-far-left Obama, a.k.a. Cutting off one's nose to spite his face.

Sometimes, the lesser of the evils is the choice and, whether it's the supremes, or immigration, or drilling for oil, or fill in the blank, what  McCain might do, is a hell of a lot better than the alternative that we know to be a the farthest left agenda that our nation has seen in, well, I don't know when.

This Fall, I will be following my usual routine as the election progresses; working the phones and on election day, working the polling places. Will I be as enthusiastic as I would have been had The Fred hung in there, hell no, but my dread that is Obama compels me to do it.

And, despite what a McCain presidency may bring, I will simply perform a reality check against what might have been, and I will sleep quite comfortably in the belief that a real and true disaster for our nation was narrowly averted.

And, if Obama wins it, I, too, will be gnashing my teeth.

34 So what's the solution...

The problem is that the pro enforcement people seem to think that their responsibility ends with pulling a lever on election day and complaining on the internet.

I am voting for McCain, because you point out, Obama is worse. I am also going to get off my rear and insist on better.

35 cheshirecat cutely directs our attention to the video where McCain was asked about calling his wife a c---.

Thankfully, that's not what I meant by my comment above, as my name's link there and in this comment will show. What I mean is pressing McCain on legitimate questions. Until people do that, nothing will change.

36 Hmmmm.

@ jmflynny

"Was there anything else I'm forgetting?"

Ummmm.

Huckabee is a total whack-nut freakazoid!?

Huckabee wanted to modify the fucking US Constitution to match the goddamn Bible!?

Huckabee is as much Marxist leftard as Obama!?

You want me to continue or is this enough for you?

37

Memo...It was a rhetorical question.

In the end, there were two choices on the ballot: McCain and Huckabee.

Take your pick.

38 Hmmmm.

"Take your pick."

Staying home.

Because as long as conservatives are willing to be lead by the nose to the polls, conservatism will continue to die.

As long as the argument "he's kinda better than the other guy" is in play we'll never see another conservative candidate.

The Republican party is about Republicans, not conservatives.  And as long as they can manipulate you, that's how it'll be.

39 Hmmmm.

Go ahead and vote for McCain.

And when he fucks you over I'll be right here laughing at you.

40

Well, I dunno, Memo.

When I'm standing in the booth a pulling lever, casting a vote at the polls, whether for the candidate of choice or for the better of the bad, I'd damned sure rather be there making that choice on my own than taking the safe route and sitting on my ass on election day, knowing that I could bitch and moan for four years about the choices that other people made.

You want to sit at home on election day, fine, that's your choice. But, don't fucking presume that choices that others make are the result of having been manipulated.

To the contrary, those who sit on their ass and call it a "stand" are going to get exactly what they deserve, the president that somebody else elected for them.

41 Hmmmm.

@ jmflynny

"You want to sit at home on election day, fine, that's your choice. But, don't fucking presume that choices that others make are the result of having been manipulated."

At least I have principles I'm not willing to give up.

42 That's what whoever gets for supporting The Maverick™.  He's a dishonest dick.  Vote for him & get your just rewards.  Me?  I'd rather have four years of Obama, and a real conservative for eight.

43 I am voting for McCain, because you point out, Obama is worse. I am also going to get off my rear and insist on better.

Yeah, good luck with that. I'm sure once you send the message that you'll vote for whatever piece of crap the Republican Party puts in front of you... they'll be ever-so-willing to pay attention when you "insist on better."

44 Hmmmm.

Seriously.  Let me get this straight.

McCain has never, to my knowledge, ever voted to confirm a conservative judge and has in fact worked with Democrats to block the confirmation of conservative judges.

And yet he mentions he'll nominate judges like Roberts a couple times and all of a sudden 30+ years of Senate nonsense is wiped clean?

....

Can I interest you in some life insurance?

Don't read the fine print, it's all standard anyways.

45

McCain has never, to my knowledge, ever voted to confirm a conservative judge and has in fact worked with Democrats to block the confirmation of conservative judges.

Either your knowledge is limited or there is a vast conspiracy to mislead the public.  Senate.gov says McCain voted yea on both Alito and Roberts, and that was just the first two I checked.  They seem conservative enough.

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