August 19, 2008
— Ace
In the equation which makes up the odious, criminal and murderous Bush regime and its murderous, criminal and odious foreign policy, the constant factor is constituted by a teacher, promoted to positions way above her personal and intellectual station by a gullible fool of a President. This teacher, whose sheer incompetence as National Security Advisor and as Secretary of State is today so blatantly apparent, goes by the name of Condoleeza Rice.The fact that Rice was National Security Advisor at the time of 9/11 speaks for itself, period.
As Secretary of State, she is supposed to be responsible for her countrys diplomacy, she is supposed to be Washingtons leading diplomat. But can anyone think of a figure less qualified for the post? Starting with the face (set in a constant snarl, with a scar for a mouth, lips pursed back in a sneer, piggy eyes looking as though something evil is lunging behind them), continuing with the body language (aggressive stance, butch, defensive posture as though she is hiding something or afraid) and ending with the discourse (about as diplomatic as a raspberry and a fit of giggling at a funeral ceremony), she cuts a sorry figure.
The constant arrogance and hypocrisy of this failed female makes it that much more apparent that here is a person way out of her depth. Instead of regarding sensitive issues from a balanced viewpoint as she is supposed to do, this incompetent loud-mouthed, bad-mannered, bullshit-mongering bimbo takes one side, ignores the other and then speaks down from a holier-than-thou platform as if she were on a lecture dias.
This is not a classroom, Condoleeza Rice, and you are not a diplomat. You are a liar, a cheap, shallow, failed, wannabe actress on the diplomatic stage. This is the real world and out here, you have to be prepared to face up to your responsibilities.
Oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't Keith Olbermann, that was Pravda.
The difference? Pravda doesn't say "Sir," as "Sir" reinforces class distinctions.
There's not a bit of that whole blame America/blame Georgia schpiel that wasn't previewed in Russia's AAA franchise, the American leftist press.
Isn't it a terribly odd thing that the American left always winds up coincidentally lining up cheek-by-jowl with their Russian friends?
Their ultra right-wing nationalist Russian friends like Vladimir Putin, I should say.
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Posted by: drjohn at August 19, 2008 05:46 PM (ToVRf)
Posted by: Christoph at August 19, 2008 05:46 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: Jim62sch at August 19, 2008 05:50 PM (ubHgw)
Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at August 19, 2008 05:52 PM (GGhvX)
Posted by: Jim62sch at August 19, 2008 05:54 PM (ubHgw)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at August 19, 2008 05:58 PM (wba6w)
Not. Surprising. In. The. Least.
A liberal is someone who reads Marx.
A conservative is someone who understands Marx.
Posted by: Good Lt at August 19, 2008 06:04 PM (s9+Zr)
Posted by: mare at August 19, 2008 06:06 PM (xMkst)
Posted by: eman at August 19, 2008 06:13 PM (qg185)
Posted by: Jim62sch at August 19, 2008 06:14 PM (ubHgw)
God you guys! Wake up! Apparantly all you got out of that article was him putting down Condolizza Rice? Are you that "party" affiliated that you failed to glean that the Georgian's massacred 2000 people! Out of that 2000 people, 700 were children! God, maybe if you stopped watching the news and maybe had one clue that the Russians may have been protecting people that were being systematically slaughtered you would be able to read more that the insults hurled at someone hell bent on keeping the American people from knowing the truth about what happened. As a patriot, I am telling you, the USA are not the good guys anymore.
Go back and read the article again, without the blinders on this time.
whatever!
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:18 PM (oqvvE)
The common denominator of the three Pravda articles that I have read is the sense that the Ruskies are intimidated by women.
Posted by: grc at August 19, 2008 06:20 PM (YleVG)
But, yeah, Olberdouche doesn't have the balls to use this kind of language.
He's a pussy.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:23 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: Vladmir at August 19, 2008 06:25 PM (JBuzy)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:26 PM (qAMnO)
During the Cold War we all thought that maybe the Russians were dicks because they were Communists. Now, it is obvious, they are simply just dicks.
Posted by: conservative rebel: sign up for your nearest 5K walk to fight terrorism at August 19, 2008 06:28 PM (eJyiP)
Although that little error strikes me as a Russian.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:28 PM (qAMnO)
Show me the bodies. Seems they've all gone missing. Like your ability to see through propagandist tripe.
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:28 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:29 PM (qAMnO)
Dude. Speak Californian. Are you thinking she's Russian?
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:31 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: Kevin at August 19, 2008 06:31 PM (OEF4E)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:32 PM (5yNaE)
I think Wendyworn may be using satire.
Who can tell. I've seen them play up the propaganda on other websites where the snark is in much less usage. So someone actually believing the Russian story will sound just like someone trying to be over the top and mocking. Remember, never trust what any government tells you, unless they are going against a Republican Whitehouse, then their word is the gospel truth.
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2008 06:37 PM (FL/94)
Posted by: Ted K. at August 19, 2008 06:40 PM (u5SdO)
Ace,
maybe we haven't been the good guys for a long time. Excuse me for just waking up from my Wii and CNN and Fox induced fog. I was online when it happened so I sort of felt like I was there. (the same way I was online when the House decided to stay and fight. I felt like I was a part of it) So I heard the other side being attacked before Russia stepped in. There was close to 26 hours of attack from Georgia before Russia came into the picture. Maybe you dont believe that there is a NWO agenda. Fine, believe what you want. But we shouldn't even be over there according to the Constitution. Georgia is democratic and an ally?! Please. I know Russia and Putin have been the bad guys in the past, but this in different. Come on Ace. Even you know that the main stream media are liars, someone has to be telling the truth somewhere.
wendyworn
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:41 PM (oqvvE)
I don't know about that, but I do know that for some reason it feels really good to say "Those fuckin' Ruskies!" again.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:42 PM (qAMnO)
The liberal coeds must be so happy! A fake story they can scream about that isn't related to Palestine or Iraq. They can be friends with the Jews for at least one protest anyway.
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 06:42 PM (7rbe9)
Russia has hot babes.
How come with all the illegal immigration to the US, very little of it seems to be hot Russky babes?
As
Posted by: Jones at August 19, 2008 06:43 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:43 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Jones at August 19, 2008 06:44 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:44 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:45 PM (oqvvE)
Posted by: Jones at August 19, 2008 06:46 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:46 PM (5yNaE)
regardless, your conspiracy theories on who I am are actually cracking me up. I might sound '80's cuz I'm older than you.
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:47 PM (oqvvE)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:47 PM (5yNaE)
And nobody believes Pravda.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:47 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: Rocks at August 19, 2008 06:47 PM (7rbe9)
how would you spell main stream media? oh yeah that's right MSM I told you I'm old. I actually had to google MSM. Sorry, maybe I even remember the cold war more then you. Mock all you want. People were still massacred whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:51 PM (oqvvE)
Why haven't they been able to find the bodies? 2000 people, 700 children -- never happened. Russian forces control the region, they'd be airing video of the piles of bodies 24/7.
Indymedia is not your friend.
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 06:55 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Aaron at August 19, 2008 06:56 PM (rjypV)
But how do you know that, Wendy? Because you think the Trilateral Commission organized this conflict? I mean seriously now, how do you know that the Georgians committed massacres? What's your source?
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:56 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 11:47 PM (oqvvE)
hint: mileage doesn't equal age, and I'm sorry the $1.25 I left on the bedstand wasn't enough for the subway, but I've started paying for quality satisfaction, and, your reading of Marx with your mouth full was...unsatisfying
Posted by: Frank G at August 19, 2008 06:57 PM (P0rQD)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 06:58 PM (qAMnO)
I'm sorry Ace. I've been coming to your website for awhile and this is the first time I've posted, I dont believe that I am,
"however, what you and the other paul-bots and leftist america-haters do is this: Unwilling to say "my position is not particularly generous nor moral, but I do not believe in generosity or morality in international relations; I believe in selfishly, rationally taking care of America and America only," you attempt to prove your position IS the moral one, by bashing America and claiming no war begins except with our connivance, or by bashing "victim" countries like Georgia, accusingTHEM of being the bad actor even as they're invaded and ethnically cleansed, so you can disburden yourself of any guilt for inaction."
wow. those are not my words, nor who I am. In fact I am definately not an america-hater. I dont even have a position. All I know is that the MSM is hiding the truth about what is going on over there and our (USA) involvement is not right. But people dont really want to know both sides of the story nowadays do they. Thus the massive attacks.
Posted by: wendyworn at August 19, 2008 06:59 PM (oqvvE)
I don't know about that, but I do know that for some reason it feels really good to say "Those fuckin' Ruskies!" again.
Ah good times, good times. Maybe now my Russian language training will actually be useful for something.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 19, 2008 07:00 PM (hn7Rm)
What's with the teenage lexicon, then?
Part of the reason for guessing where you were from was the odd/wrong grammar.
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:01 PM (5yNaE)
You know, when any stripe of Americans argue with me about foreign policy and how much wrong we've done, they never feel the need to remind me that "our" involvement means "USA".
I'm still not convinced Wendy isn't a Ruskie
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 07:03 PM (qAMnO)
Surely, we do. But it really does sound like you've bought completely into some sort of misinformation. Let us know what your sources are and let us judge for ourselves.
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:05 PM (5yNaE)
darnit... wendyworn has an internet history (google it), and does not appear some Pravda hack checking out who's linking their stories.
Nuts.
Well at least now we don't have to worry about the Russians opening up a Moonbat Gap with us.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 19, 2008 07:07 PM (hn7Rm)
I'm looking at one right now that is -$347.32 that comes with a live in maid/squatter.
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:10 PM (5yNaE)
Check this shit out: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-pathetic-defenders-of-russia/
Posted by: monkeyfan at August 19, 2008 07:16 PM (cEE8N)
But how do you know that, Wendy? Because you think the Trilateral Commission organized this conflict? I mean seriously now, how do you know that the Georgians committed massacres? What's your source?
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 11:56 PM (qAMnO)
No no no it wasn't the Trilateral Commision. I know exactly who it was. He's so insidious in his planning. It was Tom Clancy! He must be stopped now.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/georgia-russia-conflict-predicted-in-2001-video-game/1237410
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2008 07:20 PM (FL/94)
The fact that Rice was National Security Advisor at the time of 9/11 speaks for itself, period.
As Secretary of State,
Whoever wrote what, doesn't understand the the linguistic importance of either "speaks for itself," or what a "period," is.
You KNOW! you are a demagogic piece of shit, when I am pointing out how stupid these very lines are, when taken in context.
If "Res Ipsa Loquitur" then you can bet your ass Res Ipsa Loquitur, unless you are a fucking moron and don't realize that a thing can speak for itself.
as for "Period," then you are "It is used to end a sentence. You should not use a period for anything other than ending a sentence."
Now, that period did end a sentence, but linguisticaly it is actualy used to end not just a sentence, but a discussion.
So whoever the author of this idiotic diatribe is, used the expressive word "period" to end a discussion, not a sentence, THEN! continued the discussion, but since all discussion was closed thanks to the previously used "speaks for itself," wasn't just redundant, it was disingenuous, and a rhetorical attempt at propaganda.
I suck at grammar, and spelling, cuz I'm lazy, but blatant hipocracy flashes in front of my eyes, like the neon sign outside my favorite strip club, I just can't ignore it.
Posted by: wickedpinto at August 19, 2008 07:21 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:27 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 19, 2008 07:31 PM (qAMnO)
Posted by: GarandFan at August 19, 2008 07:33 PM (eJ32B)
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:34 PM (5yNaE)
Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY
He's been on their staff for some time. Google him for more info.
Posted by: Jim C. at August 19, 2008 07:34 PM (H0BL1)
Posted by: monkeyfan at August 19, 2008 07:41 PM (cEE8N)
A Russian advertising executive who sued her boss for sexual harassment lost her case after a judge ruled that employers were obliged to make passes at female staff to ensure the survival of the human race. A 22-year-old Russian woman recently sued her 47-year-old boss for sexual harassment after her refusal to have sex with him allegedly got her locked out of the office. The Telegraph reports that she told the court: "He always demanded that female workers signalled to him with their eyes that they desperately wanted to be laid on the boardroom table as soon as he gave the word. I didn't realise at first that he wasn't speaking metaphorically." Charming. Her suit, however, was tossed out -- but not for lack of evidence. The judge simply decreed: "If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children."
Posted by: mesablue at August 19, 2008 07:41 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: monkeyfan at August 19, 2008 07:44 PM (cEE8N)
The following was written by Auberon Waugh, son of Evelyn Waugh:
"The essential clue to Russian literature, as indeed to the mysterious Russian character, is that all Russians are shits. They know they are shits, that their whole repulsive society is based on a succession of lies which nobody really believes. The only proof that they are not, as Hitler believed, morally sub-human, is to be found in their occasional propensity to despair and suicide."
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at August 19, 2008 07:46 PM (1e8IN)
Posted by: funky chicken at August 19, 2008 07:50 PM (xyyHG)
Boy, wendy, it sure was lucky that the Russians had all of those troops all ready for a pre-planned invasion at the same time that the Georgians began bombing innocent, South Ossetian civilians in an act of genocide. Those Georgians have even been planting news stories going back to last May, at least, about how the Russians were preparing to invade Georgia.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2008 08:00 PM (qKkaY)
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but ...
Isn't it incorrect to say that Georgia invaded South Ossetia? I was under the impression that South Ossetia was officially recognized as an integral part of the sovereign country of Georgia, albeit a part that's in revolt.. Am I wrong about that? And given that South Ossetia is in a state of armed revolt against the lawful government of Georgia (which, ipso facto, is South Ossetia's government), then then Georgia's actions in South Ossetia do not constitute an invasion: you can't invade your own country, your own sovereign territory. The Georgian military was undertaking to suppress an illegal revolt within their own country--which seems to me to be a perfectly legitimate enterprise, and recognized as such by the law of nations. On the other hand, prior to the Russian invasion invasion of Georgia, Russia had troops stationed in South Ossetia, Abkhezia (also officially part of Georgia), and in Georgia proper. Were these Russian troops their legally? Did they any sort of legal mandate to be in Georgia? Did the Georgians want them there? Or did the Georgians suffer the presence of Russian troops because they could not force them out?
Again: correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at August 19, 2008 08:02 PM (1e8IN)
Posted by: barkorama at August 19, 2008 08:54 PM (iot9F)
I wish I had thought of that.
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at August 19, 2008 10:05 PM (btpzp)
Posted by: wiserbud at August 19, 2008 10:17 PM (x9kW6)
Posted by: PDizzle at August 19, 2008 10:23 PM (btpzp)
Posted by: Anthony Damiani at August 19, 2008 10:26 PM (e0H0O)
What's next? The Cubs winning the World Series?
And sadly, MSNBC is about to go even further into the moonbatosphere
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/08/19/msnbc-moves-further-left-air-america-host-prime-time
Posted by: eddiebear at August 19, 2008 10:27 PM (eYXq4)
I just assumed that the lesbian she-man wendy was joking, as I have done time and time again on this site.
Hard to believe that sort or card board hysteria would be real?
Maybe I have too much faith in humanity?
Posted by: Max Power at August 19, 2008 10:50 PM (ZdsL4)
It's funny that the Left defends Putin after the killing starts.
At least Bush was wrong in retrospect.
You're wrong, willfully wrong, in real time.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at August 19, 2008 10:54 PM (e321h)
You know, wendyworn is not a liberal nutjob. She just happens to have a different opinion.
Here's one of her blogposts, I hope you don't mind wendy:
Crying wolf... The world is on edge these days. The Iranian president acted like some major apocalyptic terrorist act was going to take place on August 22nd. Nothing happened. Then everyone was waiting to see if anything was going to happen on August 31st, the deadline the UN gave Iran to stop the enrichment. Nope, nothing happened then either. Meanwhile, as nothing happens, the US government has granted a visa to the former Iranian president to come to Washington DC of all places to give a little speech on peace. Um...yeah, is that really such a good idea? Wouldn't that be the best terrorist attack idea ever, if the former Iranian president got the hero's welcome, and at the hero's banquet he blew up himself and several top US officials at the same time? In fact, didnt some terrorists act all buddy-buddy in order to assasinate that Moussad guy? And let's not forget that former president Khatami has only been the former prez since 2005! Not that friggen long ago. Would it be culturely offensive to sniff him for explosives before his speech? I'll bet we are paying his way over here, AND probably paying him for his widdo talk on how we can all play nice together. Hhmmmmm....I wonder if anything will happen on Sept 5 or 6?
Remember, in the story the wolf always shows up eventually...
Posted by: pajama momma at August 19, 2008 11:41 PM (f3xJa)
Wendy can be whoever she wants to be and it doesn't ruffle my feathers one bit.
But Condi is Condi, and Condi is sacred.
Posted by: Prufrock at August 19, 2008 11:47 PM (vISQb)
Go, Condi!
Putin et al. must be wishing they had waited until after November to see if they'd be dealing with Obama or McCain on issues Soviet Russian before stomping on Georgia.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 19, 2008 11:59 PM (sI5Ho)
I think she deserves another chance in a powerful position, perhaps just as NSA or CIA head. I do not think she'll get that chance, and like so many others, will spend the rest of her days being harassed thanks to her tireless service. Not that I feel more sorry for her than any line-soldier, but she is not the dumbass folks make her out to be.
I love her scowl. It's almost always warranted.
Posted by: ghy at August 20, 2008 01:08 AM (8jYMc)
Posted by: dorkafork at August 20, 2008 02:22 AM (kErJj)
Bush deserves to rebut "a gullible fool of a President" though he never should have been such a damned gullible "Nice Guy" with the serpent Putin.
Moral of the story: never trust one's foe, and never presume to read the best of intentions as anything good in the eyes of a communist.
Vote the DNC into the minority party, as they are the totalitarian party in America now. Vote conservative GOP individuals to band together for the preservation of our Constitution, the target of both parties' gluttons as the "compassionate" = the progressive = Marxist totalitarian revision into Amerika.
This year's election results from around the world matter. Our European allies have already moved towards conservatism. For us in America, we must regain our senses and our domestic security via oil production NOW. The democrats have no legitimacy having strangled our own production and our own defense, security and well being. Retaining the national emergency oil reserve for our military is of utmost importance, now more than ever. Drilling in more places is paramount, as is establishing the modern and secure nuclear energy system at home. Those foreign oil producers that America imports its oil from DO NOT CONFORM TO THE DNC REGULATIONS on the industry; hence strangling American industry and denying American's is totally hypocritical.
OIL, the entity the Russians want total monopoly in their sphere of the world that encompasses South America as well as Eurasia, is indeed the reason for the Georgian invasion. Indeed, is it not true that the oil rich war torn area of Georgia was designated Georgian during the USSR era? At American Thinker, there's a blog article denoting that Georgia isn't worth American intervention vs. Russia.
Posted by: maverick muse at August 20, 2008 02:47 AM (F1b/5)
Posted by: Mark at August 20, 2008 03:09 AM (4hUuD)
Posted by: Ken at August 20, 2008 03:21 AM (sISAL)
Um... Madeline Albright.
Posted by: Reiver at August 20, 2008 03:36 AM (Yi1Sk)
Posted by: Ken at August 20, 2008 03:49 AM (sISAL)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at August 20, 2008 03:58 AM (1hM1d)
Wendy is clearly a sucker of cock, of the the barbed father-of-lies variety.
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 04:34 AM (evdj2)
love it. Best line about Russians.
Posted by: shunha7878 at August 20, 2008 04:37 AM (/DeBx)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2008 05:27 AM (zpaDL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2008 05:28 AM (zpaDL)
I see a lot of posters on here claim day after day that they mistrust the news and their sources. Yet, they seem to have no problem believing the 'facts' those agencies put out.
I believe most of the European and other non-US news agencies and outlets reported that Georgia started the affair - not that Russia attacked Georgia as we reported here in the West.
Why is that simply questioning the motives in actions of a sitting president or that administration makes one unpatriotic? What if it was Clinton ordering airstrikes in Kosovo? Would all on here be questioning him or going along with it?
I think Roosevelt said it best: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
By the way, just because her IP says NY doesn't mean she lives in NY.
Posted by: spaceghost at August 20, 2008 05:49 AM (5MTmq)
Thank you spaceghost. Here is a link.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121919150258855111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
I dont know why my IP says NY (but since I'm apparantly a conspiracy theorist - it's good they can't find me.) I live in Oregon and that ferret is my legitamate pet Flash. But since I am the "sucker of cock, of the the barbed father-of-lies variety" I will not be back to this website. Most of you are assholes.
Posted by: wendyworn at August 20, 2008 06:13 AM (7HcUc)
It's not like the American Left was ever allied with foreign governments out to destroy the United States or something.
That kind of shit never happened. The American Left has always been about preserving American values.
Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz Fucking Fuck Off Fuck at August 20, 2008 06:18 AM (DmCUL)
wendy,
Last I checked, South Ossetia is part of Georgia. They wanted it back. Ironically, the Soviets Russians are doing exactly what you accuse the Georgians of doing. The Russians are now in full propaganda mode, fabricating stories of Georgian "ethnic cleansing" when the Russians have been slaughtering everyone in sight. Russia isn't as angered by Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia, as it is over the fact that Saakashvili is seeking NATO membership. This is simply Putin's tactic of punishing former Russian territories for asserting independence.
Posted by: sfcmac at August 20, 2008 07:02 AM (l6WGj)
Why is that simply questioning the motives in actions of a sitting president or that administration makes one unpatriotic?
You would be right if that's all she did. It's not.
She has uncritically swallowed the propaganda of a hostile nation. Her first comment mentioned 2,000 dead at the hands of Georgia in South Ossetia. That number appears to be way off and was provided by the Russians. The Moscow Times said that "Some human rights activists on the ground said, however, that they were struggling to find even 100 slain Ossetians, while other experts said it remained too early to compile an accurate count. In any case, it is looking increasingly unlikely that the death toll will be anywhere close to the numbers needed to support Moscow's claim that Tbilisi had committed genocide." The LA Times found that the hospital in Tshkinvali had recorded about 40 dead as of their report two days ago.
Wendy also uncritically cited the op-ed today from Foreign Minister Larov as proof of her position. Larov fails to mention that Russia had been actively agitating South Ossetian leaders for about the past 15 years, giving them weapons among other things. Russia had also been issuing Russian passports to the South Ossetians, then claimed they were there to protect Russian. He also doesn't mention that Russian troops pushed nearly to the Georgian capital and struck civilian targets in several Georgian cities.
She was not simply questioning President Bush's motives. She was operating from a position of extreme ignorance and enver bothered to assume that a country run by a totalitarian might act in a totalitarian fashion.
Posted by: Jimmie at August 20, 2008 07:23 AM (bofTB)
I am just trying to argue that I don't think that the issue between Georgia and Russia have been fairly summed here. Wendy pointed that out (among other things) and was blasted for it and labeled a c-sucker.
"Extreme ignorance"? Hardly what I would call being aware that there are other sources of information and offering them as proofs to your theories. Again, I would point out that all the information provided here by other posters as proof of their positions come from the very media they criticize as being incompetent at best and biased at worse.
Posted by: spaceghost at August 20, 2008 08:22 AM (5MTmq)
Posted by: Arthur at August 20, 2008 08:25 AM (ITyQ6)
What the fucky fuck? Will these myths never die?
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 08:28 AM (evdj2)
Being aware is one thing, offering state controlled media reports from a totalitarian country as proof is something else.
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 08:31 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 08:35 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: ajs at August 20, 2008 08:45 AM (lomhi)
I saved this quotation b/c I liked it so much:
"MoveOn isn't new - it's just Pravda with poor punctuation."
-- Ralph Peters, NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/thought_police_123038.htm
Moveon or Olbermann did not write this Rice article, but I wonder if they would condemn it completely. Isn't that racist?Posted by: Michael K. at August 20, 2008 09:06 AM (H6VxR)
I'm surprised no one raelly jumped on wendy's claim of 2000 dead South Ossetian civilians? The Moscow Times reported that "human rights activists on the ground said, however, that they were struggling to find even 100 slain Ossetians".
The hospital in Tshkinvali has only 40 confirmed deaths as of the LA Times' August 18th report.
The Russian number is, as you'd expect, purest weapons-grade BS.
Posted by: Jimmie at August 20, 2008 09:12 AM (bofTB)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at August 20, 2008 09:32 AM (1hM1d)
This move by the Russians was not in response to Georgian aggression. The Georgian agression was merely a pretext. Looks like this was in the works for a while:
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8366
http://www.abkhazia.com/content/view/1132/83/
It would be nearly impossible for even the US military to project the kind of force the Russians did, in th etime they did (a few hours) starting from "go". The answer is that this move had been planned for quite a while. Now, the question is: why were we so suprised? That is a question that must get answered.
Posted by: Michael K. at August 20, 2008 09:35 AM (H6VxR)
So the Russian government controls the free press of Britain now? You know how silly that sounds? You think the news coming out of the Caucusus region is completely filtered through the Russians? Are you even cognizant of how silly you sound?
Posted by: spaceghost at August 20, 2008 09:37 AM (5MTmq)
"Being aware" of other sources of information is not the same as being aware of what those sources are (parties with conflicts of interest, perhaps?) and actually consulting them. Wendy seems aware enough of other sources, she just doesn't seem to question them in any sort of critical manner.
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Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 09:48 AM (evdj2)
I would argue that them bombing civilian targets is similar to what many armchair generals here in the US argued we should have done in Iraq. Tactics are subjective depending on who is contemplating them.
I am not saying what they did was right. However, I am saying that wading in half-informed is not right either.
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Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 09:50 AM (evdj2)
You do realize that this isn't the only Georgian thread on this site?
I'm having a hard time grokking what you're arguing here. Is it your position that the Russian media is presenting true facts on the conflict?
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 09:58 AM (evdj2)
Jazz -- You think that our press here has no bias in this? I ask that because you are making my point. The information stated in these posts are coming from our MSM as it's oft referred to as on here.
Posted by: spaceghost at August 20, 2008 10:00 AM (5MTmq)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 10:01 AM (daF/K)
Indeed, reporting Russian misdeeds is an admission against interest for them.
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 10:03 AM (evdj2)
Good riddance to bad rubbish. We pride ourselves on being ass holes to shit heads like you. You're a gullible piece of shit and you deserve nothing more than your own ignorance.
Bitch.
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