February 25, 2015

I Bring You News Of A Great Republican Victory! The Senate Democrats Have Agreed To Accept McConnell's Surrender With Out Additional Conditions.
— DrewM

Earlier today it looked like the Senate Democrats weren't going to let McConnell surrender on DHS/amnesty funding without having Boehner co-sign the document. Reid and the Democrats must have realized that that was a bit brazen even for them. So they let McConnell bring up the House bill with the solemn promise that he would strip out the offending amnesty provisions. McConnell promptly said the safe word ("Bourbon") and thanked the Democrats for being most generous masters.

The only votes against proceeding to the bill came from Sens. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) and Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.).

"Democrats will support getting on the House Homeland Security funding bill. In exchange, the leader will provide the only amendment, [it] will be a clean Homeland Security funding substitute," Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.

Democrats had blocked the DHS bill four times before. With a shutdown of DHS set to begin on Saturday, McConnell on Tuesday agreed to split the funding and immigration fights, as Democrats have long demanded.

Reid said earlier Wednesday that the Senate could take a final vote on the DHS funding bill Thursday.

"We look forward to working with our Republican colleagues in the next 24 hours to get this done. All eyes now shift to the House of Representatives," Reid said.

Democrats had earlier worried that if they let the Republicans "get on the bill" McConnell would double cross them and make them vote on amendments. Silly Democrats, McConnell only lies to and cheats conservatives.

So how is McConnell going to keep his "clean bill" "clean"? He'll "fill the amendment tree". You may remember this tactic from the Harry Reid days. It essentially ensures the Majority Leader blocks anyone he doesn't want to offer an amendment from offering it. This way his amendment, the one stripping the anti-amnesty language out will be the only amendment that will be considered.

Now if you have a memory better than say a fruit-fly you'll recall that McConnell argued that "filling the tree" was a dirty trick that he would do away with if the GOP got control of the Senate. In fact, he gave a big speech about it upon becoming Majority Leader (when Reid let's him play the part), just TWO months ago.

“Second, bills should come to the floor, be thoroughly debated, and include a robust amendment process. In my view, there’s far too much paranoia about the other side around here. Both sides have taken liberties and abused privileges. I’ll admit that. But the answer isn’t to provoke each other even more. The answer is to let folks debate; to let the Senate work its will. And that means bringing bills to the floor. It means having a free and open amendment process. It means legislating.

“The Senior Senator from Illinois likes to say that if you don’t want to fight fires, don’t become a fireman, and that if you don’t like taking tough votes, don’t become a U.S. Senator. He has always been right about that. It’s time to allow Senators on both sides to more fully participate in the legislative process, and that means having a more open amendment process around here. Inevitably, this would involve taking tough votes from time to time. But that’s always been the cost of being a Senator. We’re all grown-ups, we can take it. And the irony is, it would probably make this place a lot less contentious, since it’s one of the best things we can do to let off steam. If somebody isn’t allowed to get a vote on something they believe in, of course they’ll retaliate; but if they got that vote every once in awhile, they wouldn’t feel the need to.

“Voting on amendments is good for the Senate, and it’s good for the country. Our constituents should have greater voice in the process. They should also know where we stand on the issues of the day, regardless of whether the majority party thinks those issues are worth debating or voting on. And if Republicans are fortunate enough to be in the Majority next year, they would.

“A common refrain from Democrats is that Republicans have been too quick to block bills from even coming to the floor. What they fail to mention is that more often than not we’ve done this either because we’d been shut out of the drafting process or there wouldn’t be any amendments. In other words, we already knew the legislation was shaping up to be a purely partisan exercise in which the people we represent wouldn’t have any meaningful input. And why would we want to participate in that? Is it good for our constituents? Does it lead to a better product? Of course not. All it leads to is more acrimony.

So when he goes back on his word to have an open amendment process does he do it to punish the Democrats for 8 years of procedural tyranny? Nope. He protects those guys and punishes conservatives.

Team Mitch was happy to give Democrats votes on climate change amendments during the KeystoneXL debate. They even touted how there had been more amendments voted on during their first week in charge than all of last year.

McConnell doesn't make the Democrats pay any price for going nuclear and packing the courts on simple majority votes. Hell, he even rewarded them by letting them have their show votes. But conservatives who want to fight Obama's amnesty? They get thrown in the wood-chipper. Plus as an extra special prize, he screws over the House GOP in the process.

Now the story isn't about Democrats protecting illegal aliens over national security, it's about those crazy TEA party nuts in the House who are taking public safety hostage. Which is exactly what the story would have been had the Democrats kept control of the Senate.

If you donated to, volunteered or voted for a Senate GOP candidate last year, you got sold a bill of goods.

Keep something in mind, we're still less than TWO months into the GOP Senate. Do you think it gets better or worse from here? Yeah.

Posted by: DrewM at 12:48 PM | Comments (281)
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1 Is there anything that McConnell would do differently were he a Democrat? Anything?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 25, 2015 12:40 PM (Q/1Jp)

2 Anything? ---------- He'd fight harder.

Posted by: Roy at February 25, 2015 12:42 PM (fWLrt)

3 Bitch McConnell and I went to school together.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at February 25, 2015 12:42 PM (fLKzW)

4 Fucking Droopy Dog.

Posted by: Garrett at February 25, 2015 12:43 PM (QzCjE)

5 Anyone remember Braveheart, one of my top 5 favorite movies? Remember the scene in which that coward Robert the Bruce was revealed to side with the English against Wallace? That's what McConnell did to Boehner.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 12:43 PM (hbvPW)

6 Boner will save us/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 25, 2015 12:43 PM (R8hU8)

7 we need a war time consiglieri not a fat fuck who left the GOP's procedural weapons in the Senate bathroom.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 25, 2015 12:44 PM (wlWrh)

8 The Republican leaders voted AGAINST amnesty they could vote FOR amnesty when they came into power. Both parties want the same thing.

Posted by: Yes means Maybe at February 25, 2015 12:44 PM (7wyDO)

9 So this leaves us where exactly? Oh riiggght. Boehner screws over house conservatives, gets the Dem's on board, and passes the Senate version. Nice.

Posted by: WisRich at February 25, 2015 12:44 PM (hdpay)

10 8 The Republican leaders voted AGAINST amnesty they could vote FOR amnesty when they came into power. Both parties want the same thing. Posted by: Yes means Maybe at February 25, 2015 05:44 PM (7wyDO) That's because the Chamber of Commerce which runs the GoP wants cheap labor.

Posted by: MikeH at February 25, 2015 12:45 PM (/2E+M)

11 My new plan is just to listen to Waylon Jennings for the rest of the day and pretend that "our" representatives don't hate us.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 12:46 PM (MYCIw)

12 NOW - it's time for a third party. GOP is dead. Fuck them all to Hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:46 PM (CMkNk)

13 net nuetrality and amnesty are GOP's two biggest wege issues. fuck some stupid pipeline and helping corporations fuck us over by donating more money to donks to assist in regulatory capture. what the fuck? are there any leaders out there? can we bring back delay and newt?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 25, 2015 12:46 PM (wlWrh)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 25, 2015 12:46 PM (kff5f)

15 Ugh, I just can't even stand to read about this - it makes me ill.

Posted by: The Ed Show at February 25, 2015 12:47 PM (lHHyw)

16 Good thing I'm packing up to go home. I've gone the whole day without An Profanity Laced rant! Yay me!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 25, 2015 12:47 PM (kff5f)

17 Like I said last year: the GOP stating outright and specifically that they will do anything to stop the government from shutting down means they get nothing done except what Democrats want. All the Dems have to do is move toward a stalemate where things lock up and the GOP will always, every time, totally cave and they telegraphed that completely. There has never been a weaker, more pathetic batch of tepid wretches that we have now in congress. Absolutely despicable. Its not like anything they do would save the country and turn everything around, but nobody likes a yellow bellied coward.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 12:47 PM (39g3+)

18 I was going to suggest defunding the FCC in the next budget. Just like they defunded DHS. G-d I need a friggin' drink.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:47 PM (CMkNk)

19 Please somebody nuke DC.

Posted by: Ken at February 25, 2015 12:47 PM (jyY7B)

20 "Anything?" Attack conservatives less.......? *I'm really groping for something*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 12:48 PM (LA7Cm)

21 19 Please somebody nuke DC. Posted by: Ken at February 25, 2015 05:47 PM (jyY7B) We're on it.

Posted by: Iranian Space Program, now with 50% more infidel outreach at February 25, 2015 12:48 PM (CMkNk)

22 Dear GOP,
Good luck getting reelected with the votes of your donors.  Oh, and eat shit.

Posted by: pep at February 25, 2015 12:48 PM (4nR9/)

23 This site is funny. Is there ANY expectation that GOP leadership will NOT roll over on it's so called "base". It's the Charlie Brown -- Lucy -- Football scenario on and on and on and on and on...

Posted by: havildar-major at February 25, 2015 12:48 PM (jpW6t)

24 And Fox News is worthless.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:49 PM (CMkNk)

25 The Republican majority still hasn't quite got the hang of actually governing yet after being the party of "No" for so long but Harry Reid and the democrats in the Senate helped them out today and in the act averted a dangerous government shutdown just like the Tea Party caused.

Posted by: Tonight's News at February 25, 2015 12:49 PM (NHtMs)

26 That's it.I am avoiding all politics.I am becoming an LiV.

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2015 12:50 PM (KETbL)

27 Neither of these two men should have been reelected, and I put the blame direction on their states. Picking the same pathetic piece of trash to represent you just because "ooh, power! oh, that other guy is so wieeerrd!!!" You deserve what you get. Eat it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 12:50 PM (39g3+)

28 And Fox News is worthless. I hate Fox News.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 12:50 PM (hbvPW)

29 I think it's now time that people like Rush, Levin, Ingraham and others officially reach out to the Conservative Party and tell them it's time to formally and publicly split from the GOP and "form their own family."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:51 PM (CMkNk)

30 Expected nothing less. The outrage I feel is at the brazenness of the Republicans.

Posted by: Kraken at February 25, 2015 12:52 PM (5+mPY)

31 I think it's now time that people like Rush, Levin, Ingraham and others officially reach out to the Conservative Party and tell them it's time to formally and publicly split from the GOP and "form their own family." *** hah jokes on us. The millions of new illegals the donks brought in? 20% vote gop...for now. Their kids..and lord do they have kids... are super fucking liberal. But I digress. that 20%? They'll replace u, wingnuts.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 25, 2015 12:53 PM (wlWrh)

32 this is an example of why i'm not a registered Republican, and why i will never again hold my nose to vote for a GOPe endorsed RINO.

i will not cooperate in my rape.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 25, 2015 12:53 PM (7vjeC)

33 Oh some good news in a "thank the good Lord it isn't happening to us" way. Josh Hamilton is facing some major disciplinary issue with MLB. Apparently "worse" that PEDs. I don't wish the man any harm, but I'm pretty thankful this is happening while he's no longer wearing a Ranger's uniform.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 12:53 PM (MYCIw)

34

Your last point, Drew.  Exactly.   The new Congress was sworn in about a month ago.  After the GOP had *already* taken most of its near-term leverage out of its hands by passing "cromnibus".

 

Now, this.  It's not over - but the Senate side of the GOP has now, literally, pre-emptively surrendered.  On an issue the entire party felt too nervous about to surrender back in December (hence leaving this part of the appropriations out of cromnibus). 

 

Amazing.  Even in 2015, amazing.  And here we are, a few weeks into the session.  On an issue with *one* political side (in the electorate):  against, strongly.  And on this, the Senate GOP folds without a fight.

 

For those here who are outraged, and appalled, and properly so, a few words.  This amendment thing - THIS is really a new low.  Not just because the outrage of the years in which Reid abused the process.  But for McConnell to explicitly address this very important topic, a few weeks ago - and now this.

 

Wow.   I know it was a different country and apparently a different universe, but when I was on the Senate side even Reid's behavior would never have been tolerated (withholding unanimous consent, consistently, can shut the place down, and Reid's abuses would have easily triggered such a "nuclear" response just a few years ago).

 

But for the NEW maj. leader to use this same abusive tactic?  As Drew says, exclusively to protect the Dems.  I don't think most people here even realize how bad this is.

 

Amnesty is a disastrously stupid and unfair, unworkable "policy", being implemented in flagrant disregard of the constitution, shredding the rule of law, and it is (paradoxically, in what has become of America?) widely and firmly opposed by the electorate.  And on this deservedly hot-button issue, where the political winds, common sense, law, and constitutional/institutional imperatives are at their back, the Senate GOP doesn't just fold, but does so in a way to shield the Dems from even being forced to take damaging roll call votes?

 

Loss for words.

 

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 12:53 PM (afQnV)

35 Will the big government loving establishment sycophants that always bash DrewM show up on this thread. Or are they too scared to show up when the bullshit they swore would never happen has been occurred yet again.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 12:53 PM (z/Ubi)

36


I Will Fight No More Forever.

Posted by: Sen Chief Joseph (R) Nez Perce


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2015 12:54 PM (kdS6q)

37 I've gone the whole day without An Profanity Laced rant!

*updates sign*

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 25, 2015 12:54 PM (/kI1Q)

38 It's all fair play, because you know this is exactly how Reid behaved when he was majority leader.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 25, 2015 12:54 PM (s/yC1)

39 " Josh Hamilton is facing some major disciplinary issue with MLB. Apparently "worse" that PEDs. " He back on the meth?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 12:54 PM (LA7Cm)

40 "That's what McConnell did to Boehner."

as if Boner is any less of a RINO squish.

Fuck the GOPe, sideways, with a tankers bar wrapped in 3 coils of concertina

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 25, 2015 12:55 PM (7vjeC)

41 Please! "lets" not "let's"

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 25, 2015 12:55 PM (MbqmP)

42 " I Will Fight No More Forever. Posted by: Sen Chief Joseph (R) Nez Perce" Made me LOL, LDC.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 12:55 PM (LA7Cm)

43 I'm shocked. Shocked I tell 'ya. *makes fake shocked face*. Tequila anyone? Lime?

Posted by: Badda Bing 'now with Badda Boom' at February 25, 2015 12:56 PM (JgQLj)

44 YAY! hiccup

Posted by: ... at February 25, 2015 12:56 PM (/vbEv)

45 "He back on the meth?" No word, but of course that's the speculation.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 12:57 PM (MYCIw)

46 31 But I digress. that 20%? They'll replace u, wingnuts. Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 25, 2015 05:53 PM (wlWrh) Then it will be bloodshed. I don't condone it; I just predict it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:57 PM (CMkNk)

47 So this leaves us where exactly? Oh riiggght. Boehner screws over house conservatives, gets the Dem's on board, and passes the Senate version.

Nice.

Posted by: WisRich at February 25, 2015 05:44 PM (hdpay)

 

 

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Was reading an article somewhere this morning that said if Boehner caves to this bullshit, his speakership may be in  jeapordy.  I want to believe this.  I really really do.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 12:57 PM (/HX7u)

48 Alternate post title: Terrorism Works

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 12:58 PM (hbvPW)

49 And I thought I was a funny-looking pussy...,

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 25, 2015 12:58 PM (dZMxw)

50 I have never seen or heard of in my life of a bunch of bigger political cowards.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 12:58 PM (hbvPW)

51 Was reading an article somewhere this morning that said if Boehner caves to this bullshit, his speakership may be in jeapordy. I want to believe this. I really really do.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 05:57 PM (/HX7u)


So do I, so do I...but *pours another tequila*

Posted by: Badda Bing 'now with Badda Boom' at February 25, 2015 12:58 PM (JgQLj)

52 I picked the wrong day to stop huffing glue.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 25, 2015 12:58 PM (AxABj)

53 Dear Democrats, When you finally decide to eliminate those Republican sell-outs who are no longer of any use, please eliminate McConnel first.

Posted by: Letter from the Gulag at February 25, 2015 12:59 PM (0Ew3K)

54 47 Was reading an article somewhere this morning that said if Boehner caves to this bullshit, his speakership may be in jeapordy. I want to believe this. I really really do. Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 05:57 PM (/HX7u) Agreed, but it's a pyrrhic victory at best if that's what transpires. Still in need of booze.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 12:59 PM (CMkNk)

55 I have never seen or heard of in my life of a bunch of bigger political cowards. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 05:58 PM (hbvPW) Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 12:59 PM (nzKvP)

56 I have not yet begun to fight...





... and I'm never going to either.

Posted by: John Paul McConnell at February 25, 2015 12:59 PM (OVx7B)

57 Buzzion, I'm not big on internecine wrasslin' matches, but yeah, I'd love to hear some of those who typically can find no problem with GOP behavior to chime in with their perspective.  I know at least one has signalled his support for full-on nuke option over this.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 12:59 PM (afQnV)

58 "No word, but of course that's the speculation. " When he was still with the Rangers he had a full time "buddy." A handler, normally his father-in-law, with him all the time to make sure he didn't do anything stupid. Did the Angels ever do anything like that with him?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 01:00 PM (LA7Cm)

59 obama and reid are apt comparisons, politically, for Hitler but to compare McConnell to Neville Chamberlain is an insult to Sir Neville.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:00 PM (hbvPW)

60 50 I have never seen or heard of in my life of a bunch of bigger political cowards. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 05:58 PM (hbvPW) Cowardice? More like collusion. All the tools as well as the backing of most of America are there. There can't be any other explanation than willful cooperation to achieve the same goals. It ain't about D and R; it's about Progressivism, slow motion or high speed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:01 PM (CMkNk)

61 but to compare McConnell to Neville Chamberlain is an insult to Sir Neville. At least Chamberlain actually believed he was restraining Hitler.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 01:01 PM (MMC8r)

62 "Did the Angels ever do anything like that with him?" A bit. They had someone go on the road with him and handle is per diem cash, but not at the same level that the Rangers did.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 01:02 PM (MYCIw)

63 I'm just sitting back, waiting for colander face mask world, and dreaming of empire.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 25, 2015 01:02 PM (FMbng)

64 59 but to compare McConnell to Neville Chamberlain is an insult to Sir Neville. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 06:00 PM (hbvPW) Neville had the good sense to realize he was wrong and then to die soon afterwards.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:02 PM (CMkNk)

65 "I have but one life to give for my party.....and I'll damned if I'm doing it right now on this particular hill.

Posted by: Patrick Henry McConnel at February 25, 2015 01:02 PM (LA7Cm)

66 Since GOP stands for Grand Old Party, could we not simply refer to them as GrOP, since that we feel like a alter boy left alone with Harry Reid for a long weekend.

Posted by: Penfold at February 25, 2015 01:02 PM (Fbt5B)

67 Neville Chamberlain would bitchslap McConnell, give him an atomic wedgie, and a swirly and not even take off his waistcoat.

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (dZMxw)

68 Let me see if I remember how this unfolded. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Upon electing a majority in the Senate (which we were told was necessary to stop Obama, because just having the House meant nothing apparently), the R's decided to pass the "cromnibus" bill in lame duck dem-controlled Senate in order to fund the government for a year. BUT, the R's said, we wrote it in such a way that DHS will not be funded long term. No, they told us, when we have a majority, we will use DHS funding as leverage to undo Obamas executive amnesties, which is one of the reasons we were, in fact, elected. Then after some fake hemming and hawing, the R's come to the realization that shit -- Obama might veto our DHS spending bill that strips out executive amnesty! And we don't have a super majority, so we can't overrule a veto. Shucks, they said. It sounded so good on paper. Well, now we have to pass a "clean" DHS funding bill. Sorry, voters, our bad! All that stuff we said when we wanted your money and votes... Yeah... about that... Ooops! We meant it, we just, you know, couldn't do anything about it. And in 2 years they will be saying, 'Hey guys! You know how you gave us a house and a senate majority? Well, get this, if you give us an R president, THEN we can really get to work ... " And of course, they will continue to support the D platform and agenda, because they don't have 99 seats in the senate and 435 in the house, and only wingnuts thought that with majorities in both chambers and a president, they'd be able to do anything. And on and on it goes. So, everyone who freaked out at me and others for sitting out 2012 and 2014 because "it no longer matters who we vote for" ... Do you see my point, yet? Or will it take a few more election cycles to really sink in?

Posted by: mynewhandle at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (AkOaV)

69 Neville had the good sense to realize he was wrong and then to die soon afterwards. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 06:02 PM (CMkNk) I laughed.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (FMbng)

70 56 I have not yet begun to fight . . . and I'm never going to either. Posted by: John Paul McConnell at February 25, 2015 05:59 PM (OVx7B) Don't fire until you see the whites.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (CMkNk)

71 "Neville had the good sense to realize he was wrong and then to die soon afterwards. " Dude. HEH

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (LA7Cm)

72 Thanks Kentucky.

Posted by: dogfish at February 25, 2015 01:03 PM (1vYi0)

73 What I don't understand is the quick surrender for obama's takeover of the internet on the very same day they gave up on obama's illegal amnesty. I mean, wow, I did not see that coming.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:04 PM (hbvPW)

74 "GrOP" Add in the "establishment" part and you've got.......GrOPe. Perfect.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2015 01:04 PM (LA7Cm)

75 McConnell is lower than Benedict Arnold, even.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:05 PM (hbvPW)

76 @61 At least Chamberlain actually believed he was restraining Hitler. ----------------- Not so much restraining, as stalling for time, according to some reports. Of course, even that didn't work. But Britain and France weren't ready at that point (though it's also quite likely that everyone overestimated how ready the Germans were as well). And even in 1939, the French got pissy at the Poles when the alliance with Poland dragged them into war with the Nazis.

Posted by: junior at February 25, 2015 01:05 PM (UWFpX)

77 Totes perfection!

Posted by: Penfold at February 25, 2015 01:05 PM (Fbt5B)

78 There is a bright side ... I have to take Personal Time to vote.  That's one less day I'll have to spend in 2016.


Honestly - at this point - who's buying this whole "you've got to vote the lesser of two evils" bullshit spouted by the likes of JackPoint Hollowstraw ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:05 PM (9m68G)

79 Does Reid even have to ask him to drop trou' anymore? Stockholm syndrome?

Posted by: dogfish at February 25, 2015 01:05 PM (1vYi0)

80 73 What I don't understand is the quick surrender for obama's takeover of the internet on the very same day they gave up on obama's illegal amnesty. I mean, wow, I did not see that coming. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 06:04 PM (hbvPW) If I were a Tea Party honcho, I would organize a march on DC - to RNC headquarters. I am just so spitting mad it's unreal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:06 PM (CMkNk)

81

I don't see much fight against net neutrality either.   The GOPe want people like us off the internet as much as the dems do.

 

All bets are off now.  This country is so fucking boned.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:06 PM (/HX7u)

82

I'm still not sure people realize how unbelievable this is (the amendment tree thing).

 

The obvious, sensible course for the next two years was to target and sweat every Senate Dem up in 2016 on a few key issues.  Typically this would be on filibusters of motions to proceed to a bill, and on veto over-ride votes.  You might only win one or two (I think you would win at least two).  But meanwhile you would be painting gigantic targets on the backs of those '16 Dem incumbents, (rightly) motivating your own supporters, yes raising funds, and (if the GOP would f***ing open their mouths in a consistent and intelligent way) making inroads in voters' minds about who stands where.  Differentiation.

 

This is the entire meat of Senate political mechanics.

 

So if this is the model of this Senate, there is, literally, no point to the Senate or its GOP majority.  They won't even do the routine, easy, mechanical stuff to help THEMSELVES while pushing sane policies.

 

Drew may be overwhelmed or resigned, and thus didn't step on the rhetorical gas.  But this amendment tree thing is one of the biggest, most outrageous things in years (which is, obviously and unfortuately, saying a lot).

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:06 PM (afQnV)

83
Thanks Kentucky.
Posted by: dogfish





Thanks Rand.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2015 01:06 PM (kdS6q)

84 Halo's Heaven says 80 game suspension for drug abuse. Ouch.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 01:07 PM (MYCIw)

85 The tea party is effectively dead.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:07 PM (hbvPW)

86 Winter is coming.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:07 PM (ntuyY)

87 How soon the GOP legislators forget the lessons they should have learned with Cantor, and Bennett, and Christ. Too soon.

I know the GOP thinks they only need to answer to their donors; the, voters, their true bosses, need to pick up a Cluebat and start cracking skulls.


Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:07 PM (yRwC8)

88 Hairy Reid got his ass kicked by a piece of exercise tubing, but he can still lay the whoop down on old piss-pants McConnell!

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 25, 2015 01:07 PM (dZMxw)

89 guys, they are playing us for fools. What more proof do you need? Every. Single. Time. Over and over again.

Posted by: mynewhandle at February 25, 2015 01:08 PM (AkOaV)

90 85
The tea party is effectively dead.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 06:07 PM (hbvPW)


But coffee is good for you now I hear. So there's that.

Posted by: Badda Bing 'now with Badda Boom' at February 25, 2015 01:08 PM (JgQLj)

91 >>Halo's Heaven says 80 game suspension for drug abuse The good news for the Angels is thrbwon'tbhurt his offensive output much.

Posted by: Garrett at February 25, 2015 01:08 PM (QzCjE)

92 I expect that in short order, this website may very well be extinct or Ace bankrupted and/or imprisoned. Is there pirate radio technology for the internet? Fuck you, GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:08 PM (CMkNk)

93 88 Hairy Reid got his ass kicked by a piece of exercise tubing

Assuming, of course, that the tubing's name is "Vinnie".

Posted by: pep at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (4nR9/)

94 Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 06:07 PM (yRwC

We're having another NY/NJ Moron meet-up. If your sister wasn't too repulsed by us, tell her to join us!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (Zu3d9)

95 Neville had the good sense to realize he was wrong and then to die soon afterwards. Take note, Mitch.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (MMC8r)

96 We should all send him a trial packet of Vagisil. It seems McConnell is so chapped that he's spending all this time bitching about how his VAGINA is sore from the SERVICES he gives ANY FUCKING DEMOCRAT. Bastard needs to be reminded - YOU ARE NOT THERE TO SMEAR OINTMENT ON YOUR PUSSYLIPS.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (scgac)

97 Meanwhile, the Republicans are standing strong in their opposition to min. wage, which is exactly what obama wants. obama doesn't give a shit about raising the min. wage -- he's just using the issue to make people hate Republicans. It's a complete and total fake out.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (hbvPW)

98 Barry's always right.Harry's always right.They just seem a little weird.
Surrender.
Surrender.
I give everything awaaaaaaaaay.

Posted by: Mitch "Cheap Trick" McConnell at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (OVx7B)

99 Cornyn's Washington office and state offices phone lines are being melted, so it's not like he is unaware of how  Texans feel.  This blatant disreguard  just show how much  GOPraza's don't care  what the people they represent think.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (kow6a)

100 "Is there pirate radio technology for the internet? " We just recently discovered something called the "dark net".

Posted by: L&O SVU at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (MYCIw)

101 88 Hairy Reid got his ass kicked by a piece of exercise tubing, but he can still lay the whoop down on old piss-pants McConnell! Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 25, 2015 06:07 PM (dZMxw) Seriously, he's also been diagnosed with dementia (do not ask how I know). McConnell isn't weak/stupid. He's part of the same corrupt system.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:09 PM (CMkNk)

102 "The tea party is effectively dead."


So is The Republic.


But please, continue to support it's various institutions.  Me and mine - we're going to sit this shit out.  No Cops or Soldiers coming out of this household.  Not in service of this banner.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:10 PM (9m68G)

103 The good news for the Angels is thrbwon'tbhurt his offensive output much. ... is there an Elder Race playing for the team or something?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

104 I am just so spitting mad it's unreal. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 06:06 PM (CMkNk) Me too, so maybe at the next meet-up we should sit back to back

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 01:10 PM (nzKvP)

105 Any conservatives in the house should announce a split if amnesty is funded. Then they should put a motion for Boehner to play gold, drink and smoke full-time, instead of all the time. Burn it down.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 25, 2015 01:10 PM (TIgJq)

106 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 06:06 PM (afQnV) ...Because they just pander for votes at election time, but show us what they really believe and what they really want to do every day they're in DC. It's all a big show. They never intended to do anything differently. A scam, if you will. They're conmen, and we're the marks.

Posted by: mynewhandle at February 25, 2015 01:10 PM (AkOaV)

107 We're having another NY/NJ Moron meet-up. If your sister wasn't too repulsed by us, tell her to join us!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2015 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)


Oooooh, when?? I'll let her know. She really liked you guys so if it works out I think she wouldn't mind attending again!

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:11 PM (yRwC8)

108 Any of you homo's make fun of me again, I'll kill you!

Posted by: Francis--Libertarian at February 25, 2015 01:11 PM (a6Odp)

109 I don't give a $hit about raising the minimum wage. Maybe trade that for the annihilation of the FCC?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:11 PM (ntuyY)

110 Oh, and FUCK YOU, KENTUCKY.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 01:11 PM (MMC8r)

111 Fuck these fucking fuckers right in their cowardly Democrat-fellating suckholes.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (mx5oN)

112 104 I am just so spitting mad it's unreal. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 06:06 PM (CMkNk) Me too, so maybe at the next meet-up we should sit back to back Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 06:10 PM (nzKvP) Not sure I can make it, but will try. G-d knows I need a boost.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (CMkNk)

113 108 Any of you homo's make fun of me again, I'll kill you! Posted by: Francis--Libertarian at February 25, 2015 06:11 PM (a6Odp) Lighten up, Francis

Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (/2E+M)

114 To Paraphrase Yoda: The FAIL is strong in this one.


"17 Like I said last year: the GOP stating outright and specifically that they will do anything to stop the government from shutting down means they get nothing done except what Democrats want. All the Dems have to do is move toward a stalemate where things lock up and the GOP will always, every time, totally cave and they telegraphed that completely.

There has never been a weaker, more pathetic batch of tepid wretches that we have now in congress. Absolutely despicable."

Um (raises hand tentatively) ... what about the Vichy French? more or less tepid than these guys?

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (wT9UL)

115 "And in 2 years they will be saying, 'Hey guys! You know how you gave us a house and a senate majority? Well, get this, if you give us an R president, THEN we can really get to work ...'" I have unfond memories of the last time there was an R President, an R Senate, and an R House. It was not as bad as now, mind you, but it also wasn't particularly good.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (noWW6)

116 What's the most terrifying Beach Boys album to Mitch McConnell?  That's easy, it's the one they issued in March of 1964.

Posted by: Null at February 25, 2015 01:12 PM (xjpRj)

117 We're having another NY/NJ Moron meet-up. If your sister wasn't too repulsed by us, tell her to join us! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2015 06:09 PM (Zu3d9) What is the name of the place?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (FMbng)

118

mynewhandle, yes, yes - I know there has been a large and growing gap between promises and performance for some time in the GOP.

 

But this amendment thing on the Senate side - at a loss for words. 

 

They are - literally - doing what Reid was doing for years, for exactly the same reason - to shield Dems from having to vote on amnesty.

 

At a loss for words.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (afQnV)

119 KY really has some loose $hit in the Senate.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (ntuyY)

120 So lemme get this straight DHS is to important to fuck with the budget but the DOD is just fine to fuck with? Is that the Liberal Way?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (nzKvP)

121 116 What's the most terrifying Beach Boys album to Mitch McConnell? That's easy, it's the one they issued in March of 1964. Posted by: Null at February 25, 2015 06:12 PM (xjpRj) Cryptic you much?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (CMkNk)

122 As I mentioned this morning, I'd be shocked if Netanyahu's invitation isn't rescinded, also. The Republicans, for some inexplicable reason, are running scared. Yes, they're in cahoots with obama, but only to an extent. Something's wrong, very wrong.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (hbvPW)

123 81 I don't see much fight against net neutrality either. The GOPe want people like us off the internet as much as the dems do. All bets are off now. This country is so fucking boned. Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 06:06 PM (/HX7u) Yeah, it looks like they will roll on the Net issue, too. I'm just not seeing a strong response. What the hell is going on? Have we functionally turned into a one party state?

Posted by: Kraken at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (5+mPY)

124 My 1st thought was "hell yes! INHOFE BABY!". And he deserves that. Then I asked myself: Where was Lankford? I looked for the vote tally but my search skills are weak. Anyone got a link to the vote? I have / had high hopes for Mr Lankford.

Posted by: tbodie at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (VfCmK)

125 "97
Meanwhile, the Republicans are standing strong in their opposition to min. wage, which is exactly what obama wants.

obama doesn't give a shit about raising the min. wage -- he's just using the issue to make people hate Republicans. It's a complete and total fake out."

Anything to deepen the impression that Republicans care only about the 1%... we hear from Romney's finance chair it's an absolute winner politically.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (wT9UL)

126 Um (raises hand tentatively) ... what about the Vichy French? more or less tepid than these guys?

The Vichy had the full weight of the 3rd Reich on their heads.  What's the GOP's excuse?

Posted by: pep at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (4nR9/)

127 They're conmen, and we're the marks. And who is worse? The scumbag who lies, or the idiots who fall for it, again and again?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:13 PM (39g3+)

128 What is the name of the place? Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 25, 2015 06:13 PM (FMbng) It's on a need to know basis and you don't.... And anyway then we'd have to kill you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 01:14 PM (nzKvP)

129 I want Frederick "Ogre" Palowaski, dammit, not Lamar!

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 25, 2015 01:14 PM (dZMxw)

130 116 What's the most terrifying Beach Boys album to Mitch McConnell? That's easy, it's the one they issued in March of 1964. Posted by: Null at February 25, 2015 06:12 PM (xjpRj) SHUT DOWN VOLUME 2?

Posted by: MikeH at February 25, 2015 01:14 PM (/2E+M)

131 I'm very sorry I ever voted for McConnell.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at February 25, 2015 01:14 PM (/Ho8c)

132 Raise the minimum wage to whatever the Senators make.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:15 PM (ntuyY)

133 Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2015 06:12 PM (noWW6) Correct. That speaks directly to my point. When R's ran the show during W's term (until '06) what did we get? Nation building, expansion of medicaid, expansion of the department of education, exponential increases in spending and debt and regulation, "working across the aisle" etc. etc. and deficit spending. But thank GOD they cut the taxes on dividends. Cuz those dividend taxes were really sending me to the poorhouse. Unbelievable.

Posted by: mynewhandle at February 25, 2015 01:15 PM (AkOaV)

134 If you donated to, volunteered or voted for a Senate GOP candidate last year, you got sold a bill of goods. I donated to McDaniel's legal fight against Cochran. That was my only donation. Yeah, McDaniel was possibly a white-nationalist, but I doubt he'd have supported amnesty. I did unfortunately vote for Gardner, because - I have witnesses - "he's a lying weasel but he'll be OUR lying weasel".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 25, 2015 01:16 PM (AVEe1)

135

Just talked with an old buddy who I worked with on the Senate side.

 

Both of us - like many of you - have been scratching our eyes and pinching ourselves for years at what's going on in the country.

 

But this - this thing today really breaks new ground.  If this doesn't spark some sort of real rebellion, in either the Senate or House caucus ..... well that may be final confirmation that there really is no actual political process in DC.  And that the voters are, effectively, powerless.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:16 PM (afQnV)

136 Um (raises hand tentatively) ... what about the Vichy French? more or less tepid than these guys? Worse. The Vichy French at least faced military domination or obliteration.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 01:16 PM (MMC8r)

137 Honestly - at this point - who's buying this whole "you've got to vote the lesser of two evils" bullshit spouted by the likes of JackPoint Hollowstraw ? Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 06:05 PM (9m68G) To quote Penn Jillette: "The lesser of two evils is still evil."

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 25, 2015 01:16 PM (MbqmP)

138 Dear Mitch and John,
Here is an unsolicited bit of advice.  The next time you tell folks "don't worry, we have a plan", you'd better have a fucking plan, you useless eunuchs.

Posted by: pep at February 25, 2015 01:17 PM (4nR9/)

139 "Oh, and FUCK YOU, KENTUCKY."


Why ?


Because they held their nose and voted for a Republican that, really, was pretty damned unpopular.  Because they didn't support a fairly shady dude (Matt Bevin) against him in the primary ?  Because they believed the same old tired bullshit trotted out here constantly by some ... that they just couldn't chance it and let a pretty liberal Democrat (Lundergan Grimes) win the seat and maintain a Democrat majority ?


It's like saying FUCK YOU FOR NOT LETTING IT BURN !!!  Before you give that good and hard to those people, might want to let that sentiment fly around here - toward those that scorn the notion of a Third Party, or just Letting This Shit End.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:17 PM (9m68G)

140 *Lists a long line of utterly predictable GOP failures* Typical GOP apologist response: What, you going to vote Democrat? Nope. Not voting at all. Go ahead, give me the standard, banal argument against not voting.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2015 01:17 PM (xSCb6)

141 Coptic Christians Hold Orange Jumpsuit Protest at White House Obama, Obama, did you see? Christian blood in the sea Breitbart

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2015 01:17 PM (nzKvP)

142 For the five zillionth time: rebuilding a nation you stomped on is not "nation building." Nation Building is going into a craphole like Somalia or Yugoslavia and fighting bad guys while you try to transform the place, replace the government, and overall just fix the place. That's what Bush the younger said we should avoid, what Clinton kept trying to do. And we did.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:18 PM (39g3+)

143 Aqua Buddha my friend.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:18 PM (ntuyY)

144 "82 I'm still not sure people realize how unbelievable this is (the amendment tree thing).

The obvious, sensible course for the next two years was to target and sweat every Senate Dem up in 2016 on a few key issues. Typically this would be on filibusters of motions to proceed to a bill, and on veto over-ride votes. You might only win one or two (I think you would win at least two). But meanwhile you would be painting gigantic targets on the backs of those '16 Dem incumbents, (rightly) motivating your own supporters, yes raising funds, and (if the GOP would f***ing open their mouths in a consistent and intelligent way) making inroads in voters' minds about who stands where. Differentiation.

This is the entire meat of Senate political mechanics."

So is McConnell an idiot, a coward ... or a mole?

Any armchair politico can see how to do better than he's done. he keeps begging the Democrats to steal his lunch money, and then they demand pretty please on it.

Why McConnell didnt just up and use reconciliation on this, or push on the Democrats to filibuster day-in-day-out to make the obstruction obvious is beyond me.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at February 25, 2015 01:18 PM (wT9UL)

145 And in a few days, the pathetic Republican Congress will be giving obama full authority to help ISIS's "rebels." The vote will be way more R's than D's.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:18 PM (hbvPW)

146 143 Aqua Buddha my friend. Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 06:18 PM (ntuyY) Don't ya walk away, uneasy You poor old sod you see it's only me

Posted by: MikeH at February 25, 2015 01:18 PM (/2E+M)

147 Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2015 06:09 PM (kow6a) the GOPe knew it had won when it was able to Co Opt the TEA party... make it part of their system... Because once the TEA party joined with the GOP in name... it lost all of its influence OVER that party. And thus.... died... But the really sad part of that whole scenario... is that millions of people THOUGHT they could do something about Government.... were proved wrong... and have now, once again, checked out... While becoming even MORE angry...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:19 PM (qh617)

148 How can they pass a bill funding something that everyone acknowledges the law does not allow? 

Why do we even bother swearing these guys into office since none of them have any intention of upholding their oath?

Posted by: Thatch at February 25, 2015 01:19 PM (m/nBa)

149 The insanity of McConnell's actions are further deepened when you realize that McConnell has let 41 senators dictate the terms of the DHS budget for this year.

oh, 41 DEMOCRATS. In a Republican Congress no less.


Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at February 25, 2015 01:19 PM (wT9UL)

150 "And that the voters are, effectively, powerless. " That's the depressing conclusion I've come to.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 01:19 PM (MYCIw)

151
Erick Erickson*

If I can, you can. #majority

https://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/468849117163433985

*The Most Powerful Conservative in America (tm)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2015 01:20 PM (kdS6q)

152 Because they held their nose and voted for a Republican that, really, was pretty damned unpopular. Because they didn't support a fairly shady dude (Matt Bevin) against him in the primary ? Yes. Because they voted to reward this scumbag with more power instead of throwing him out on his ear. They had a clear choice: him again, or someone new. They chose him again, on purpose. If the next guy isn't any good, then you replace him. Unless you're a credulous dupe that keeps falling for the same stupid lies again and again. Like a wife that keeps going back to the fist.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:20 PM (39g3+)

153 "There is a bright side ... I have to take Personal Time to vote. That's one less day I'll have to spend in 2016." I'm in Commiefornia, so I have the dubious benefit of vote by mail. Last time round, I received a mail-in ballot, and looked at how the things work. There's a little sealed fold-over flap that's supposed to conceal the area where you write your name, and address, and sign. I filled it all out and sealed it all up and then experimented, and found it was trivially easy to look in from the side of the "sealed" section of the ready to mail envelope and read off the name and address. Five seconds, tops. With a bit of publicly available voter registration info, it would be a piece of cake to identify ballots coming from voters associated with particular political parties, and intercept and destroy those ballots as they moved through the postal system. A system staffed by unionized government workers, of course. Needless to say, I shitcanned the ballot and went in to vote in person.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2015 01:20 PM (noWW6)

154 KY really has some loose $hit in the Senate.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 06:13 PM (ntuyY)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

It's looking more and more like I won't be spending any money in the states that are east of the Mississippi.  They  have all been extremely disappointing in their choice of who to send to congress. 

 

And, yeah, I'd also like to know how  Lankford voted.

 

Belize is looking better  as the time and events go on.  At least it's warm there.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:20 PM (/HX7u)

155 Confederacy of Dunces..., and they are driving the bus.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 25, 2015 01:21 PM (l1zOH)

156 What did people do when they got really pissed off before we had a democratic process?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:21 PM (ntuyY)

157 150 "And that the voters are, effectively, powerless. " That's the depressing conclusion I've come to. Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2015 06:19 PM (MYCIw) No vote keeps them from power. Difference between justice and punishment...

Posted by: MikeH at February 25, 2015 01:21 PM (/2E+M)

158 The 'opposition' leader needs knee replacements due to the perpetual kneeing before 0's 'manhood' ....you'd think The Turtle would at least have enough pride to wipe some 0's white stuff off his chin before he gets on camera....

Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at February 25, 2015 01:22 PM (7GI9v)

159 Well this calls for suicide by raptor.

http://tinyurl.com/o7l6c79

http://thechive.com/2015/02/24/
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Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 25, 2015 01:22 PM (DL2i+)

160 Posted by: mynewhandle at February 25, 2015 06:15 PM (AkOaV) ah.... Grasshopper.... you forgot the LARGEST Government expansion in history.... When they created the Dept. of Homeland Security.... which took all the existing Depts, and added a whole new level of bureaucrats on top!

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:23 PM (qh617)

161 What a bunch of bums. They never intended to force Obama on immigration. Hell, they AGREE with him on immigration. Cfuk them and the walkers they hobbled in on.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at February 25, 2015 01:23 PM (HBAcW)

162 Have some milk and cookies and quit whining like a bunch of bitches You guys always sound like such victims if you think this is bad wait until 2016 When the dems held both house of congress and the White House they found out how powerful the minority in the senate was

Posted by: Righter at February 25, 2015 01:23 PM (0kPjF)

163 Gee where's bob belcher. He was on the previous thread so he's not that busy. And he's always so quick to go after Drew and proceed to give the idiots have Washington the salad tossing they love. But nothing on this thread. Tis a mystery.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 01:24 PM (QzsmJ)

164

I donated to Chris McDaniel's campaign.

 

And no, the Salon lies are not true, just as the attacks on Ken C. were ridiculous.

 

 

But I'm sure glad that we have an energetic, articulate, principled Senator like Thad Cochran fighting like heck to stop our country going down the toilet.

 

 

Posted by: prescient11 at February 25, 2015 01:24 PM (q5APL)

165 But there's the rub, Chris.  The guy that ran against McConnell in the primary was an incredibly shady dude.


Personally - I think the GOP pulled every string possible to make sure the primary opposition to Hog Jaws sucked as much as possible.


I followed the race because I live across the river in Indiana.  Which, btw, sent a GOP House Member back that has morphed from a Tea Party type to a staunch Boehnerite.


Don't blame me - I stayed home.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:24 PM (9m68G)

166

Keep Calm Cruz on - beyond me (and others I know with background), too.

 

C. Taylor - yep.  Thanks for bringing that historical reference back - Dubya (rightly) dumped on elective, needless involvement in places not of vital interest to the US (THAT was specifically what he criticized in the 2000 campaign). 

 

Consolidating your victory and protecting your interests by setting up authorities you can work with and who can police/govern a place of vital interest (Iraq) is simply good sense.  But the cartoon version of "nation building" and the silly fantasies of drive-by regime change have a death-grip on many people. 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:24 PM (afQnV)

167 Because they held their nose and voted for a Republican that, really, was pretty damned unpopular. Because they didn't support a fairly shady dude (Matt Bevin) against him in the primary ? Because they believed the same old tired bullshit trotted out here constantly by some ... that they just couldn't chance it and let a pretty liberal Democrat (Lundergan Grimes) win the seat and maintain a Democrat majority ?
Posted by: ScoggDog




1. Bevins wins.  McConnell gone.
2. Grimes wins.  Doesn't matter because Rs still have the majority McConnell gone.

Care to explain why either of those two possible outcomes are somehow worse than this darkest of realities?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2015 01:25 PM (kdS6q)

168 You're casting black diamonds before swine!

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (2KB+E)

169 Can someone remind me why we had 2014 again?

Posted by: Iblis at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9221z)

170 We have examined the Legislative intent and it is clear that there is no objection to the granting of legal residence to these undocumented aliens. As the permits have all been issued anyway by the Executive branch the question is moot.

Posted by: SCOTUS at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (NHtMs)

171 "Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (yRwC8)

172 Posted by: Righter at February 25, 2015 06:23 PM (0kPjF) Oddy enough, it's not the shitty grammar which makes your point incoherent.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (xSCb6)

173  Gee where's bob belcher. He was on the previous thread so he's not that busy. And he's always so quick to go after Drew and proceed to give the idiots have Washington the salad tossing they love. But nothing on this thread. Tis a mystery.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 06:24 PM (QzsmJ)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

And where is Hollowpoint, jwest, and Mr. Moo to tell us that this really isn't that bad.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:26 PM (/HX7u)

174 It's funny because when the D's won big in 2006, they pretty much set the agenda for Bush's last 2 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:27 PM (hbvPW)

175 Free $hit Army trumps democracy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:27 PM (ntuyY)

176 jay cost was on target.

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2015 01:27 PM (ztOda)

177 But there's the rub, Chris. The guy that ran against McConnell in the primary was an incredibly shady dude. You give him one run to see how he does, if he's worth having. If he's not, you throw him out. 2 years is not bad. Instead people went with the guy that hated them and they knew was worse. And they deserve what they get. Sadly, we're all paying the price, as well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:27 PM (39g3+)

178 To all you morons: Move to Texas or Louisiana now. We'll get Abbott/Perry/Cruz/Jindal on board (easy!), claim sovereignty over the Gulf of Mexico, utilize the crap out of our two major ports, and drill and frack until we're rich as sultans but not lusty for sharia. I'm not advocating secession. I'm advocating kicking everyone else out.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at February 25, 2015 01:28 PM (rzggC)

179 Hey, but we really handed it to that Brian Williams, didn't we! Holy cats, we suck.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:28 PM (hbvPW)

180 Robo-Goat Time! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/goatslive

Posted by: Bruce J. at February 25, 2015 01:28 PM (iQIUe)

181 I read a comment over at HotAir that once this goes to committee, it come come out of committee basically as the House bill is written. Once that happens, it can go back to the Senate directly to a vote and there is no rule that allows it to be filibustered. Is that how the Senate rules work (today)? Can McConnell do this? Will he do it?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 25, 2015 01:29 PM (zpZLP)

182 175 Free $hit Army trumps democracy. Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 06:27 PM (ntuyY) No.... actually.... the Free Shit Army IS what a Democracy becomes.... Founders knew that... which is why we were designed as a Republic, not a Democracy.... The 'right' to vote was never intended to be a 'right'.... but a limited Privilege...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:29 PM (qh617)

183 Somebody needs to do a Photoshop...


A picture of an exercise band next to a picture of the battered Harry Reid with the caption -- "This thing beat up this guy."

Then a picture of the battered Harry Reid next to a picture of a "battered" Mitch McConHell with the caption -- "Then he beat up this guy."

Pathetic.

Posted by: shame the ever-loving fuck out of Mitch at February 25, 2015 01:29 PM (OVx7B)

184 Exactly: those stupid cheap "wins" headhunting people like Brian Williams mean nothing. Its pointless, its like killing the mob boss, and watching another guy step into his place while the crime grinds on. Unless the culture changes, unless the people change, the faces on TV mean nothing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2015 01:29 PM (39g3+)

185 The insanity of McConnell's actions are further deepened when you realize that McConnell has let 41 senators dictate the terms of the DHS budget for this year. oh, 41 DEMOCRATS. In a Republican Congress no less.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at February 25, 2015 06:19 PM (wT9UL)


Who says republicans don't have a deference for minority voters???

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:30 PM (yRwC8)

186 Okay. Okay. Let's get our shit together and THINK. We need to start a campaign to remove McConnell. We can do this. We have the numbers to create a very loud voice.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:31 PM (hbvPW)

187 I'm not advocating secession. I'm advocating kicking everyone else out. Posted by: Doctor Cynic at February 25, 2015 06:28 PM (rzggC) LOL.... just visited my Sister in San Antonio last weekend.... First time I'd been there... not a bad town...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:31 PM (qh617)

188 Posted by: Righter at February 25, 2015 06:23 PM (0kPjF) volcano=superego

Posted by: Your Mom at February 25, 2015 01:31 PM (MbqmP)

189 There's always Iceland.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 25, 2015 01:32 PM (ntuyY)

190 Phenomenal victory! I just took my girl out for dinner, drinks, and a movie! It was with some male friend of hers, but I drove and gave her my credit card. She asked me to pick up some Astroglide and clean the mirrors in her bedroom and she'd call me tomorrow! Thumbs up playas!!!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, PUA extraordinaire at February 25, 2015 01:32 PM (dZMxw)

191 We have no 'friends across the aisle'. Comrades, there is only one solution. Fire up the Declaration Of Independence again. Go back to the beginning.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2015 01:32 PM (go5uR)

192 Senate republicans say we can't take a chance on terrorist attack are rich donors care about tax breaks not illegals besides how can we force are illegal alien maids to have sex with us. Tea baggers suck on it!

Posted by: captain*arizona at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (E2nKC)

193 Boehner used Pelosi's "vote on it to see what's in it" strategy with the Cromnibus, cooked up in a backroom by a handful of leaders less than 48 hours before the vote - breaking an explicit repeated promise to allow days of full debate on any legislation, let alone legislation of such scope.

Now McConnell uses Reid's "fill the tree" strategy.

In both cases, they've used these tactics not to attack or frustrate the Dems, but rather their own base and the rest of the people who don't support the unconstitutional amnesties, DREAMers or otherwise.

Consultant-class members (Krauthammer, Will et al) and aspirant apparatchiks (Gabe et al), can peddle as many excuses as they like, but this majority is living up to everything we crazies warned about all last year.
The countdown to "we've done the best we can, we don't hold the White House, Unity 2016: The Year We Start Fighting" started last November.  This time the GOP didn't even give their shit-shovelers a holiday break. 

They're the same party that held the whole government under W for years and promised they were growing government to shrink it.  They're laughing at us.  They won't change.  Hell, why should they? 

Even the "third party talk gets you banned" RedStaters now advocate voting for Democrats to remove these Constitution-mocking aristocrats.  How can anyone delude themselves into giving this party another "last chance?" 

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (QKIQb)

194 Just Inhofe & Sessions? Where are Ted Cruz & Mike Lee?

Posted by: Frankly at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (eI8vB)

195 'Fraid you're right.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (/Ho8c)

196  I read a comment over at HotAir that once this goes to committee, it come come out of committee basically as the House bill is written. Once that happens, it can go back to the Senate directly to a vote and there is no rule that allows it to be filibustered.

Is that how the Senate rules work (today)? Can McConnell do this? Will he do it?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 25, 2015 06:29 PM (zpZLP)

 

 

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No.  Main reason:  The GOPe want amnesty (no matter how they can get it) as much as the dems.  It's just that simple.  The voices of the American people won't stop them.  They are  our rulers now.

 

Next step:  Encourage your governors to tell   DC to fuck off.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (/HX7u)

197

Guy, not exactly sure what you're reporting there, but only a very few bills have statutory limits on debate in the Senate.  Most filibusters involve blocking a motion to proceed to a bill by "talking" it - that is, not yielding the floor or allowing a vote. 

 

Budget resolutions, however, have a statutory limit of 60 hours of debate, so cannot be filibustered.  Cannot recall other bills so privileged (funny, was just trying to remember this talking with my old Senate colleague).

 

So I *doubt* there is any filibuster-proof or privileged form of a DHS appropriation that can come to the floor.  Just an appropriations bill, like all the rest.  Well - could be wrong, but hey this is funny in a dark way - this DHS appropriation might be the first one passed "in regular order" (not in a CR) since 2008.  Wow.  Just one little obscure geeky index of national degradation (and GOP worthlessness, since this situation could have been ended at any time with a willingness to fight and do something).

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:34 PM (afQnV)

198 "Care to explain why either of those two possible outcomes are somehow worse than this darkest of realities?"


I'll give it a shot - but remember, I'm not defending McConnell.  Hell - I chafe at the notion of defending Kentuckians.  But I'll give it a try - out of a sense of fairness.


1. Bevins wins. McConnell gone.


Problem being - Bevins was caught in lies as basic as claiming he was an MIT grad when he was not.  The cat really, really was shown to be shady.  I was disappointed - because I hoped McConnell would get bounced out on his ass as well.  I can't blame voters from recoiling from a candidate shown to be not only a liar, but a bad one.


2. Grimes wins. Doesn't matter because Rs still have the majority McConnell gone.


True - but hindsight is a hell of a thing.  At the time, the "We Can Retake the Senate" thing was pretty strong.  And remember, It Doesn't Matter Let it Burn folks like me and others weren't taken quite as seriously as we are now ... at least among the DayWalkers that I tend to post with.  Plus - the Dem was shown to be pretty anti-coal, including taped comments from her staff saying stuff like - I kid you not - "After the election, they're fucked" regarding the coal industry.


Remember folks - since November - we've went from "These Third Party People are just not serious" to "You've got to be shitting me, why are we still backing these losers".



Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:35 PM (9m68G)

199 OK.... so this is a spending bill... and thus had to start in the House. So Senate passes a 'clean' bill.... But this is NOT what the House passed... Thus... does it not go to reconciliation???? And then get a straight up and down vote in the Senate?

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:35 PM (qh617)

200 The senate passed this bill on with a 98 -2 vote. Where were Cruz, Paul and  some of the other southern senator's?

Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2015 01:35 PM (kow6a)

201 Which, btw, sent a GOP House Member back that has morphed from a Tea Party type to a staunch Boehnerite.

Which one?  I haven't really been keeping up except for snarking about Andre Carson.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 25, 2015 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)

202 If I am going to go Atkins I'll pick who with myself thanks.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 25, 2015 01:36 PM (VOWhP)

203 116 What's the most terrifying Beach Boys album to Mitch McConnell? That's easy, it's the one they issued in March of 1964. Posted by: Null at February 25, 2015 06:12 PM (xjpRj) It took a minute, but I guessed that without looking it up.

Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 01:37 PM (sdi6R)

204 35 Will the big government loving establishment sycophants that always bash DrewM show up on this thread. Or are they too scared to show up when the bullshit they swore would never happen has been occurred yet again. Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 05:53 PM (z/Ubi) maybe, maybe not, whether they do or not they deserve every call out they are getting.

Posted by: Shoey at February 25, 2015 01:38 PM (vA94g)

205 I'm gonna Go Akins, as in Claude Akins. I'm gonna go all Sheriff Lobo on somebody's ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 25, 2015 01:38 PM (hbvPW)

206 Phenomenal victory! I just took my girl out for dinner, drinks, and a movie! It was with some male friend of hers, but I drove and gave her my credit card. She asked me to pick up some Astroglide and clean the mirrors in her bedroom and she'd call me tomorrow! Thumbs up playas!!!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, PUA extraordinaire at February 25, 2015 06:32 PM (dZMxw)


His wife is pretty attractive actually...this is as good explanation as any as to why she's stayed with him as long as she has, heh.

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:39 PM (yRwC8)

207 "Where are Ted Cruz & Mike Lee?"

Damned good question.  I'm on record as a Cruz supporter but a skeptic on his amnesty bona fides.  I'd like to hear a damned good explanation from him on this.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 01:39 PM (QKIQb)

208 That would be our own Todd Young, HR.


I'll vote a Dem in over him if a decent one presents themselves.  Until that day, I stay home.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9m68G)

209 It's funny because when the D's won big in 2006, they pretty much set the agenda for Bush's last 2 years.
And because of the MFM's propaganda efforts, 30% of American voters in the 2008 election thought the GOP was still running Congress.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at February 25, 2015 01:39 PM (2KB+E)

210 BOHICA

Posted by: toby928(C) Person of Pallor at February 25, 2015 01:39 PM (rwI+c)

211 Mitch McConnell doesn't love America.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 01:40 PM (MMC8r)

212 That would be our own Todd Young, HR.

Well he's not mine, but if I see him I'll give him what-for.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 25, 2015 01:40 PM (/kI1Q)

213

Wolf, you're thinking of a conference - when House and Senate bills have differences.  There's usually a fusion ("conference report") version that is voted on in both houses, identical language, and this is what goes to the WH for signature/veto.

 

House has acted, now Senate has a different bill, so conferencing needed, or House takes up/defeats Senate version, then back to conferencing.  Or - House ADOPTS Senate version.  If THAT doesn't trigger at least an open rebellion in the House caucus, then ....

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:40 PM (afQnV)

214 "Mitch McConnell doesn't love America."


No ... no he does not.  At least, not the socio-economic part you, me, and most of the rest of us live in.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:41 PM (9m68G)

215 OK.... so this is a spending bill... and thus had to start in the House.

So Senate passes a 'clean' bill....

But this is NOT what the House passed...

Thus... does it not go to reconciliation????

And then get a straight up and down vote in the Senate?

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 06:35 PM (qh617)

 

 

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This is the only small bit of hope left.  That when this goes back to the House, the comittee will restore the original text.   That's if and only if Boehner finds even a splinter of a spine.

 

A small hope.  But I'll take it.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:41 PM (/HX7u)

216 207 "Where are Ted Cruz Mike Lee?" Damned good question. I'm on record as a Cruz supporter but a skeptic on his amnesty bona fides. I'd like to hear a damned good explanation from him on this. Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 06:39 PM (QKIQb) I agree, that is an excellent question.

Posted by: Shoey at February 25, 2015 01:41 PM (vA94g)

217 199 OK.... so this is a spending bill... and thus had to start in the House. So Senate passes a 'clean' bill.... But this is NOT what the House passed... Thus... does it not go to reconciliation???? And then get a straight up and down vote in the Senate? Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 06:35 PM (qh617) A nice fantasy. And even if it was true John McCain and his wife Lindsey Graham would be siding with the democrats and they'd probably get a few others of their ilk to do the same.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 01:41 PM (z/Ubi)

218 Steiner will come.

Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 25, 2015 01:42 PM (rwI+c)

219 182 No.... actually.... the Free Shit Army IS what a Democracy becomes.... Founders knew that... which is why we were designed as a Republic, not a Democracy.... The 'right' to vote was never intended to be a 'right'.... but a limited Privilege... Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 06:29 PM (qh617) This x1000. The Founders wouldn't be the least bit surprised at what is happening today. They tried to ensure that foolish, irresponsible, and uneducated people wouldn't be allowed to vote.

Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

220
Bevins was caught in lies as basic as claiming he was an MIT grad when he was not.
Posted by: ScoggDog



Mcconnell claimed to be a conservate when he was not.

Which is more dangerous to the current situation?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2015 01:42 PM (kdS6q)

221 Where is McConnell's home district office? I think we all need to have a piss-in.

Posted by: JEM at February 25, 2015 01:42 PM (o+SC1)

222 They tried to ensure that foolish, irresponsible, and uneducated people wouldn't be allowed to vote.

Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 06:42 PM (sdi6R)


And that's the Democratic base....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at February 25, 2015 01:43 PM (AC0lD)

223 211 Mitch McConnell doesn't love America. Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 25, 2015 06:40 PM (MMC8r) our Ruling Class has declared war on the people.

Posted by: Shoey at February 25, 2015 01:43 PM (vA94g)

224 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 06:40 PM (afQnV) this is a spending bill.... it had to start in the House... Senate bill is different than that House bill... Does that not trigger a 'conference' report? Which gets an up or down vote in the Senate? Senate cannot just dictate to the House... ergo.... if the Senate GOPe has some nads... and puts that language BACK in during the conference... should they not be able to pass it with a simple majority in the Senate?

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:44 PM (qh617)

225 Well he's not mine, but if I see him I'll give him what-for.


And where you live - you very well might get the chance.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:44 PM (9m68G)

226 222 They tried to ensure that foolish, irresponsible, and uneducated people wouldn't be allowed to vote. Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 06:42 PM (sdi6R) And that's the Democratic base.... Posted by: Stateless Infidel at February 25, 2015 06:43 PM (AC0lD) Yup.

Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 01:45 PM (sdi6R)

227 McConnell and Boehner might just be letting things go the easy way, and then pull a rewrite in reconciliation, and then pass it without filibuster threat. ... O.K., we can stop laughing now and get back to chugging Val-U-Right

Posted by: The Laughing Hat at February 25, 2015 01:45 PM (0Ew3K)

228 Where are Ted Cruz Mike Lee?"Damned good question. I'm on record as a Cruz supporter but a skeptic on his amnesty bona fides. I'd like to hear a damned good explanation from him on this. Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 06:39 PM (QKIQb)

Our SLC conservative radio talk show had Mike Lee on yesterday, I think he grilled him about it. But I wasn't able to hear the segment.

http://www.iheart.com/show/Rod-Arquette-Show/?episode_id=27168817

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:45 PM (yRwC8)

229 This is the only small bit of hope left. That when this goes back to the House, the comittee will restore the original text. That's if and only if Boehner finds even a splinter of a spine. A small hope. But I'll take it. Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 06:41 PM (/HX7u) this is a spending bill.... didn't it have to start in the House?

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 01:45 PM (qh617)

230 They tried to ensure that foolish, irresponsible, and uneducated people wouldn't be allowed to vote. Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 06:42 PM (sdi6R) And that's the Democratic base.... Posted by: Stateless Infidel Also non-citizens.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at February 25, 2015 01:46 PM (GuwT9)

231 Went to see Dr McConnell today for my annual exam...got a little weird, though. He had his left hand on my shoulder and his right.... No, that's not it - he had his right hand on my shoulder and his left... Nooo... Wait a sec, he had BOTH hands on my shoulders - :-/

Posted by: Average Republican Voter at February 25, 2015 01:46 PM (dZMxw)

232 Look, my hands are tied. You don't want what happened to poor Harry to happen to me do you?

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 25, 2015 01:46 PM (NHtMs)

233 Die Lösung After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of the Writers' Union Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee Stating that the people Had forfeited the confidence of the government And could win it back only By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier In that case for the government To dissolve the people And elect another?

Posted by: toby928(C) quotes Bertolt Brecht at February 25, 2015 01:47 PM (rwI+c)

234

Both parties are against the remnanent of the middle class and have written them off.

 

When they sieze your privatve pension, devauled your property and start cutting your social security benefits as well as medicare, well you should have seen this coming.  The people working at the nursing home won't speak English and you kids will be working far away to earn what they can for their own families.Yeah American communism.  Power over the people.

 

 The shooting should have stared a long time ago.

Posted by: Average Joe at February 25, 2015 01:47 PM (MITCr)

235 this is a spending bill.... didn't it have to start in the House?

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at February 25, 2015 06:45 PM (qh617)

 

 

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Yes.  And as has been explained, since it was changed in the senate, it has to go to conference where the original text could be reinserted. 

 

BUT...........

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:48 PM (/HX7u)

236 I give up.  And my hatred for McConnell and the other establishment RINO's just broke my hate meter.

Sorry, liver.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 25, 2015 01:49 PM (FsuaD)

237 Doesn't DHS shut down tomorrow morning?

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2015 01:49 PM (ztOda)

238 "Mcconnell claimed to be a conservate when he was not.

Which is more dangerous to the current situation?"


Laurie ... I get it.  I really do.  You and I have no quarrel over this.  I wish the bastard had lost too.


All I'm trying to say - poorly apparently - is that I work with more than a few Conservative Kentuckians (yes, they exist) who absolutely HATED Mitch - but backed off of Bevins once he was proven a liar, and then held their nose and voted McConnell in the hopes of a Republican Senate.  And that view was loudly encouraged on this board at the time, by all the "sensible folks".


I can't disparage those folks for voting McConnel when not given a alternative.  And I can't blame them for not getting to Let It Burn as fast as me.  Hell - I've taken shit here for some of my literal Let It Burn outlooks.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:49 PM (9m68G)

239 Look, I'd help stop this whole apocalyptic crap but there are a lot of new cat videos to watch.

Posted by: Hellboy at February 25, 2015 01:50 PM (NHtMs)

240

Wolf, a conference report is not privileged and is subject to a filibuster, I believe.  So there's no magic in a conference process, as far as needing only 51 votes to pass.  Motion to proceed can still be blocked via objection and filibuster. 

 

In any case, this no-amendment approach by McConnell is simply astonishing in its brazenness - unless there's an angle or consideration I'm missing.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2015 01:51 PM (afQnV)

241 It's almost as if Becins was a spoiler ...

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2015 01:51 PM (ztOda)

242 i guess this is it then, many of us are less than nothing to these legislators, my family and many more lower middle class-to poor of every persuasion will never again have a life of any value, we will be ambushed by the govt hand outs to every business with tax 'assistance' for hiring our new citizens. i suppose it will be more healthy to go back to the liv person, as at the least i didn't tune in to hear how detestable i am to the state. voting ? Ha a mockery of representation.

Posted by: willow at February 25, 2015 01:51 PM (nqBYe)

243 "It's almost as if Becins was a spoiler ... "


Jean ... I think Matt Bevins was.  I really, really do.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:52 PM (9m68G)

244 Conference report can be passed under reconciliation, it's a new item ... This bill is subject to regular order and can't be reconsidered under reconcilliation.

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2015 01:53 PM (ztOda)

245 I have a delicious casserole coming out of the oven.

I've totally lost my appetite.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 25, 2015 01:53 PM (FsuaD)

246 i suppose it will be more healthy to go back to the liv person, as at the least i didn't tune in to hear how detestable i am to the state.


Willow, with the upcoming regulation of Internet communication, I don't think being an LIV will be nearly as hard as some may think.


And I'm talking too much.  I'll ease off here and let somebody else have a turn.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 01:53 PM (9m68G)

247 Could it be that the DC bubble is tainting our politics in such of a way that everyone that spends any amount of time there naturally thinks the country is far more left wing then it is? Then again, maybe McConnell just completely despises conservatives and looks to fuck them every chance he can.

Posted by: The Fool at February 25, 2015 01:54 PM (cGlgB)

248 139 "Oh, and FUCK YOU, KENTUCKY."


Why ?


Because they held their nose and voted for a Republican that, really, was pretty damned unpopular. Because they didn't support a fairly shady dude (Matt Bevin) against him in the primary ? Because they believed the same old tired bullshit trotted out here constantly by some ... that they just couldn't chance it and let a pretty liberal Democrat (Lundergan Grimes) win the seat and maintain a Democrat majority ?


It's like saying FUCK YOU FOR NOT LETTING IT BURN !!! Before you give that good and hard to those people, might want to let that sentiment fly around here - toward those that scorn the notion of a Third Party, or just Letting This Shit End.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 25, 2015 06:17 PM (9m68G)

Meh, I live in KY, I was one of those 'at least mitch is our asshole' voters..  but screw it, should have gone with let it burn bitches!

Posted by: allenlou at February 25, 2015 01:54 PM (CF25Q)

249 Willow, try reloading - the repetition and focus on details help, and in the end ammo cases full of .308 might be useful.

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2015 01:54 PM (ztOda)

250 Oh, and I didn't get to hear the Mike Lee segment, but I did get to hear an interesting segment on bad and good PACs, and how the bad PACs are killing the conservative movement. And there is a list ranking PACs from best to worst (best = gives the highest percentage of their donations to their actual stated cause, little overhead. If eighty cents or above for every dollar donated goes to its stated causes, is considered a good PAC.)

Link in my nic to the PAC list.

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2015 01:54 PM (yRwC8)

251 I have a delicious casserole coming out of the oven.

I've totally lost my appetite.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 25, 2015 06:53 PM (FsuaD)

 

 

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So, you know, there's the ole "caring is sharing" thing.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2015 01:54 PM (/HX7u)

252 I bet everyone here wishes someone would beat on McConnell, even Trayvon. Wouldn't everyone feel a little better then?

Posted by: Melissa Harris-Perry at February 25, 2015 01:55 PM (FCsIb)

253 scogg, true, i'm sure they are salivating at shutting up anyone who isn't on board with their ideas. i can only smile that all those on the left eat their meat and pudding quickly because they will also find it bitter when their ax is gored, and it will be, if they are not useful tools they do not exist to these folks.

Posted by: willow at February 25, 2015 01:56 PM (nqBYe)

254 Amnesty would have happened anyway. Its ridiculous to pretend otherwise. And maybe now we can stop making this silly issue a litmus test. It could actually help us with voters that our presidential contenders no longer have to pretend that they want to deport every hispanic without documentation as soon as they get into the Oval Office. The small, loud minority that cares about this will have to get in touch with reality and adjust accordingly.

Posted by: Begonia at February 25, 2015 01:58 PM (97Y3R)

255 Thank you for your concern.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at February 25, 2015 02:02 PM (2KB+E)

256 ""It's almost as if Bevin was a spoiler ... "

It's an unavoidable problem with dissident candidacies, third party or primary alike.  Almost all viable candidates and/or their potential donors are scared off by the "you'll never do business in this state/party/country" threats that the uniparty representatives can enforce.  Even if your guy wins (like Brat), you're a black sheep forevermore with the establishment and its cronies.  If he loses, you have nothing to show for it.  And supporting a party that's explicitly against handing out goodies doesn't exactly bring the donors a' runnin, either. 

Thus we get a lot of situations where you either run an unvetted dented can or no one. 

I'm for starting a third party with very limited ambitions, picking our spots and only running in the bare handful of races where a decent candidate can be fielded.  Be satisfied with one House seat to start and work up nationally, do what can be done mainly on local and state levels first. 

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 02:03 PM (QKIQb)

257 Some little bitch went and got their talking points from the back Rubin today it seems.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 25, 2015 02:04 PM (z/Ubi)

258 Hey Conservatives, Give me a yell when you are ready for a new party. The relationship with the GOP is beyond dysfunctional. Time to move on.

Posted by: Jen Psackofshit at February 25, 2015 02:04 PM (+kznc)

259 The whole amnesty thing is about money but we all know how govt projections about money work out.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2015 02:05 PM (kow6a)

260 @254 minority? what planet are you from?

Posted by: Shoey at February 25, 2015 02:05 PM (vA94g)

261 "The small, loud minority that cares about this will have to get in touch with reality and adjust accordingly."

The small, loud 2/3 of voters who oppose the amnesties and want stronger border security?

Kinda like the 2/3 that opposed ObamaCare have gotten in touch and adjusted.

Blather, mince, defeat.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 25, 2015 02:06 PM (QKIQb)

262 Gee, Begonia, it's probably a good thing that no one you know that didn't go to college couldn't find a good paying trade in say, construction. Because of the huge influx of illegals into the country, the Carpenters union stopped offering their apprenticeship program because nobody would hire them. The jobs had all been filled by illegals willing to work for less and be paid under the table. Or that DBA who had to train his Indian *dot, not feather* replacement who would work for less and then overstayed his visa. Did you know that Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, over sixty percent of live births there are to illegal immigrant women, and none of them have health insurance. You know who picks up the bill? And who picks up the bill for educating all those dreamers when mom and dad are working for cash and not paying any taxes? I believe I read that illegals cost the city of LA sixty billion a year in services. Yeah, amnesty is such a great thing. Victor David Hansen wrote a three part essay on how illegal immigration has radically changed the central valley in CA. Maybe you should look into that.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 25, 2015 02:09 PM (AxABj)

263 The govt thinks that Juan is going to pay for John, Ron and Don's social security , when we know that John ,Ron and Don are going to pay for Juan's  14 children, his healthcare and subsidized housing and FOOD STAMPS. Why? 'cuse Juan is still sending HIS money to Mexico.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2015 02:12 PM (kow6a)

264 Amnesty would have happened anyway. Its ridiculous to pretend otherwise. And maybe now we can stop making this silly issue a litmus test. It could actually help us with voters that our presidential contenders no longer have to pretend that they want to deport every hispanic without documentation as soon as they get into the Oval Office. The small, loud minority that cares about this will have to get in touch with reality and adjust accordingly. Posted by: Begonia at February 25, 2015 06:58 PM (97Y3R) ***** Your betters that fed you that drivel to spew here are apparently bright enough to realize that when this all goes down elections will be even more meaningless that they are now. Why aren't you at least that bright?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at February 25, 2015 02:13 PM (hohwc)

265 It could actually help us with voters Who's "us"? People like you who are only too happy to reward illegal behaviour? Think of what incentives you're giving, to both politicians and criminals, when you tell them you fully support continued usurpation of the rule of law.

Posted by: then FOAD at February 25, 2015 02:14 PM (36V+Y)

266

@254 Begonia

 

So laws are for saps?   Got it.

 

No one should obey laws.  They are only enforced on the weak.

Posted by: Average Joe at February 25, 2015 02:14 PM (MITCr)

267 A sovereign nation that cannot control its borders will not remain a sovereign nation for long.

Posted by: Old Blue at February 25, 2015 02:15 PM (AxABj)

268 Count me officially in the "what's wrong with government can't be corrected by voting" camp. This will not be pretty.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 25, 2015 02:31 PM (qNZ3I)

269 Remember how the Ds pushed thru Obamacare, even as the voters of blue New Jersey and Massachusetts gave the Rs election victory? Now the Rs win an election, and they're afraid to execute what they won on. For me, it's 3rd party or bust.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 25, 2015 02:35 PM (7v8o1)

270 267 A sovereign nation that cannot control its borders will not remain a sovereign nation for long. Posted by: Old Blue at February 25, 2015 07:15 PM (AxABj) That, to me, seems to be the whole point. I believe the end game is World Government, and so all of the sovereign nations have to be broken down.

Posted by: rickl at February 25, 2015 02:39 PM (sdi6R)

271 What I am about to suggest might sound a bit extreme but I seriously think it will be the only thing that will get through there thick skulls. A very large number of Conservatives need to show up at his House and burn it to the ground. The just to make the point clear as crystal for that drunk they need to leave his lawn covered in signs that say No Amnesty. And just to be extra clear we need to leave plenty of effigies hanging from nooses.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at February 25, 2015 02:50 PM (yh4lQ)

272 Posted by: Begonia at February 25, 2015 06:58 PM (97Y3R) ---- You need a nice, strong cup of Jeff Sessions. http://tinyurl.com/mjst77q Your job is next, Petunia.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at February 25, 2015 02:51 PM (HBAcW)

273 Why does Harry's Bitch Mitch look like a Got Milk Ad?

Posted by: Jerry at February 25, 2015 03:00 PM (cdwIT)

274 Cruz voted for this steaming pile too???

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2015 03:12 PM (afouc)

275 Every one of these Republican Senators* needs to be primaried if they let funding for DHS be passed without previsions that restrict the use of funds for implementing amnesty.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2015 03:36 PM (afouc)

276 * because I, too, am trying to give up cursing for Lent.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2015 03:38 PM (afouc)

277 276 * because I, too, am trying to give up cursing for Lent. Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2015 08:38 PM My New Years resolution was no resolutions and I gave up hope for Lent

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, looking for Billy The Mountain at February 25, 2015 03:47 PM (I8HI7)

278 Orange and Turtle are two little-known Batman villians. Now you have met them.

Posted by: eman at February 25, 2015 04:02 PM (MQEz6)

279 There was an old phrase that seems appropriate in relation to the b*stards running our "alleged" representative republic... how did it go again?

Oh yes.

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
- Arnaud Amalric


Seems about right.  I suspect that butcher's bill includes their Quislings and toadies in the tally.  I'll try not to enjoy myself as I watch them kicking at air on television - and maybe even muster the courage to no order a Pizza to celebrate the occasion.

I will never cast another vote again so long as I live, it's beyond obvious that such acts are futile waists of time when there is effectively only on party and no peaceful remediation of our grievances.  But I will die side by side with the rest of the patriots when the time comes. 

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