1

Well fuck all if I care. Whatever.

But... I'd say postpone it. Postpone it now, even if the hurricane does not hit, as half your speakers and shit have allready cancelled.

So reschedule it when you can get people to show up, and get news coverage.

2 They should go ahead with this telethon idea that's been going around and dare the media not to cover it 24/7.

3 Tough call, on one hand, you don't want to seem callous while people who don't know better sit on their roof tops waiting for a fema check and a helicopter. On the other hand, New Orleans does need another good douching.

 

4 I say "cancelled or postponed" Honestly, the average person really doesn't give a fig about these conventions, period. They are ostentatious jerk off fests and the GOP would look far more concerned, respectful and financially conservationist at this moment. Lear Jets to the fancy convention. And scheduling a "e conference call delegate count" at a little later date has the added money where your mouth is "green" and lead by example quality -- it can be video so the nets tune in.

5 telethon idea is good, if the emphasis is purely on raising money and not so much pomp and circumstance inter-mingled. It has to be true and real.

6 and canceling with no looking back is maverick and "outside of the box" --- which is what most people are hungry for.

7 For what it's worth, and that's probably not much, here is what I commented at HotAir:

_{Wow, Drudge is saying Bush and McCain will probably not be at the convention. Is this unprecedented?? Hear me out; not a bad idea that the two of them stay away. I know that sounds radical, but think about it. Bush is unpopular (now, try back in 20 years) and McCain is horrible at teleprompter speeches (remember the NOLA fiasco?).}

_{So they don’t make it to the convention and Sarah’Cuda!!! becomes that much more in the focus. IMHO, any exposure of her is great exposure from now until election day. Yet, McCain’s absence will be notable and newsworthy because it will be the first time in history the Presidential candidate did not show up at the convention. So McCain will give a short speech, via satellite with trees blowing over in the background and will look so Presidential and on the ball. The Dems will not be able to use hurricanes against us ever again.
Sad thing is, Jindal is not going to be at the convention either and he would really fire up the base.}

8 I say wait to see what happens before doing anything.  Sometimes, hurricanes are worse than predicted, sometimes, they are not as bad as predicted. Also, it's not like hurricanes haven't hit this region before. Katrina was a disaster. Other hurricanes weren't. Better to see what kind of hurricane Gustav is before canceling things. On the other hand, it would be funny to see the media get screwed up because of this. Is this possible?

9 I like the telethon idea.

Goddam, the fucking Trig Palin Truthers at DU and Kos are really chapping my ass!

10 Actually, the more I think about it...I say it would be RAD if Mccain just said fuck it, no convention all together - they are too expensive and massive time sucks. The american voters don't need to be treated to a showy circle jerk, Sarah and I have too many stories to listen to and people to meet...we'll get back to you in the media later.

11 After Gustav, there is tropical storm Hanna, which of course, may become a hurricane. Then what? Can't delay the convention a second time. 

12 --Goddam, the fucking Trig Palin Truthers at DU and Kos are really chapping my ass! Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 01:43 AM (ubHgw)-- Me too. As disrespectful as it is to the Palin's I sort of hope it gets out what the scum that is the democrat base really are composed of.

13 I say wait and see what happens but one thing is for sure. The Bush Administation or the McCain campaign should do something smart and put an end to the Left getting away with politicizing every frigging breeze that comes along.

14 crap The american voters don't need to be treated to ANOTHER showy circle jerk, Sarah and I have too many stories to listen to and people to meet...we'll get back to you in the media later.

15 is it true that McCain can still raise money until he actually accepts the nomination?

16  MC Jindal's LIVE telethon for New Orleans and shit, man!  Give Jindal the spotlight.  Show republicans taking care of business.

17 I like the idea of canceling the convention BUT do we really need to hear about it in 2012 or 2016 that "if the Republicans didn't need a convention in '08, why are they having one now?" I realize McCain doesn't care (man, it's a really good thing he picked Palin cause I really, really don't care for the guy) but playing "Maverick" on this one opens up all sorts of unintended consequences down the road when the Rs might *need* the convention for one reason or another.

18 On with the show... but...

There was a guy on Hannity and Colmes a week or two ago, can't remember his name. He's the guy they have on occasionally with the Power of Words pitch.

He had a genius idea. Facing facts, McCain gives poor speeches. It's just not his game. He can't fake being fake enough to give a good speech. So, scrap the idea and turn the convention into a huge town hall meeting. Make it into the Barum and Bailey version of Saddleback. It would split with worthless tradition and put him in a forum where he would blow the roof off.

Take it a step further. If McCain shows up with cameras after a hurricane disaster, the media will turn it into a "disgusting attempt to capitalize on tragedy". So, leave the convention entirely as is, but... McCain, Palin, Bush and Jindal simply don't show up. Let all the other blowhards speak. Then, in place of their speeches, let them do what they do and make a quick live video statement to the convention and talk about going back to work. No media, no fuss. Just a simple reality and responsibility. Let the video message que the media so that they are playing catch up.

Late in the week, if appropriate, do an informal town hall meeting and acceptance from one of the shelters.

19 Postpone. Definitely don't cancel the convention.

We can't allow the fucking Democrats to put these natural disasters around our necks. Fuck them.

Is every hurricane a Republican scandal from now on, or something? It's insane that we've allowed the Democrats to put this albatross around our necks.

20

A quote.

"It's horrible what happened in Louisiana, did you give anything to the poor people?"

"not even two shits."

21 OK -- Cancel the convention for 2 weeks Send McCain down to the Gulf Region to be with the folks in the thick of it and then appoint Palin as the message maker behind this "Senator Mccain and I are of the mind that when a natural disaster that threatens the lives of americans, a Fancy, back patting convention isn't our priority...we have plenty of time for that, OUR first prioirty is to see that people in harms way a safe and PROTECTED" oh, there is soooo much more that could be said too.

22

Don't even postpone.

Follow through, but all the while remind regular americans that THEY can fix this without government doing a fucking thing.

Insty has a link.

23 did I mention that Gustav is a cocksucker?

I did. Good.

24 Look at entropy's ass, gettin' all pumped up to vote for McCain.

25 I don't agree with cancellation, but I do think it should be postponed.  Doesn't matter how the media will spin it, really.  They might not give us much play if the convention's postponed and McCain's on the ground in Louisiana, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we'd get if there are a bunch of "old white men" applauding each other in a convention center while Obama's in New Orleans driving away the floodwaters with the sheer power of his smile.

26 Is every hurricane a Republican scandal from now on, or something? It's insane that we've allowed the Democrats to put this albatross around our necks.

Blame the completely clueless and inept Bush media "machine". They should have ass-raped Blanco and Nagin over their idiocy during Katrina, instead they sat back and took it like "compassionate conservatives". Morons - hopefully Sarah exercises her expertise at firing fat-assed chairwarmers when she gets to the White House.

(I have a mental image of Sarah Palin walking into the White House Press Office on Inauguration Day. She won't say a word - just rack the slide on her 12 gauge pump and watch people edge nervously toward the door.)

And why the hell did they let people in New Orleans rebuild their shit below sea level again? Is there no other land in Louisiana available for houses? You'd think we were fucking Holland or something. Why jack around with levees and pumps when you can just live on higher ground. Morons.

27 Living as I do in Pensacola, in the "Cone O' Danger©," I'd say postpone the convention or adopt one of the strategies outlined by several astute morons above. McCain, Palin, Bush, and Jindal must absolutely skip a physical presence. To be there when people are losing their houses, history, future, etc. would be a PR nightmare and a wet dream for the Marxists. As much as I've shit-canned McLame in the past, Palin changes the paradigm. This is do-able, but the propagandists pushing The Obamessiah are smart and we can't allow them any opening to exploit a situation like this. It wasn't a "done deal" for the Dhimmi nominee, what with Hilarity & Co. For the Repugs, though, McCain is the absolute candidate for the ticket. The convention is just a convenient opportunity for low- and mid-level operatives to get drunk, get laid, and possibly get some teevee time. If I were in charge, I'd send those delegates, on the party dime, south and show the leftard rubes just what "compassionate conservatism" is all about. It worked once, long ago. It could work again.

28 I totally stole this from a poster named PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican at LGF:

Bobby Jindal's office

*phone rings*

"Hello?"

"Hi Bobby Jindal, this is Barack Obama. I'm running for President."

"Uh, yeah, I know. Um, I'm kinda busy with the hurricane and all, and-"

"Oh I know. I wanted to ask, do you have everything you need? Is everything OK there?"

"Um... Yeah?"

"Great, great. You need to know that I'm very, very concerned."

"Thanks, uh... Hey, what's that noise in the background? Is the media there or something?"

"Oh no, uh, that's my secretary... Typing... Yeah. Typing."

"Dude, I can totally hear the anchorwoman talking behind you. That's totally fucked up, man. Are you videotaping this call?"

"Um, right, yeah so, I'm really glad that things are going well. Call me if you need anything! It's so important that we don't have another Katrina. Yes, I know McCain wouldn't help you. Yes, I'll help you if you need it. OK thanks, bye!"

*click*

"...Asshole!"

29 I dunno.  After I gave every penny I had spared to Hurricane Katrina relief, helping for the largest  (and most successful) rescue effort in our history, and then I was told by the MSM and the democrats that America forgot about New Orleans, whatev.  They should leave.  I still have money problems because I gave to those ungrateful people.  The nation to me: "fuck you, you forgot about them, you abandoned them."  After they got the most charitable dontations in history.  I still hurt from it and all I ever got what shit on from it.

I can't do anything to help them now.  And it doesn't phase me after I was just shit on by the left for giving.  I hope they're okay.  But I don't care that they get nothing from me personally.  They alreayd took everything I had and shit on me for it.

30

 McCain, Palin, Bush, and Jindal must absolutely skip a physical presence. To be there when people are losing their houses, history, future, etc. would be a PR nightmare and a wet dream for the Marxi

Disagree.

McCain, show up, immediately after he returns from a plane flight from NO, to say "I thank you for your nomination, I had a speach prepared, but unfortunately there are situations that must be attended to.  My VP and I thank you for the nomination, and now we must be about the nations business.  Please, enjoy yourselves, and while you can, do your best to assist those unfortunates in those regions suffering from this terrible event.

Once again, I thank you for this nomination, and I accept."

31

Jim-

Most folks moved permanently to higher ground, regardless of what it looks like on TV. Until such a time as the oil and shipping infrastructure of the US doesn't need a port at the mouth of the Mississippi River, New Orleans is just plain necessary. The other thing is, pretty much anywhere the French and Spanish built stuff originally doesn't flood. Unfortunately, particularly in New Orleans East, they built it up on landfill. Now, community activists are demanding federal money rebuild crappy housing on crappy land, and politicians (for the moment) are acquiescing. We'll see what happens after this.

Pursuant to the convention, the crucial thing is to have candidates and current officials working their asses off and not having time to talk to the media other than through spokespeople. I don't think you do the convention if there's some serious destruction handed out... but remember something...

This is not Katrina!!!

Many things are set up much better, and the exact landfall of the storm is going to dictate just how much damage any particular area gets. It could be cataclysmic if it pushes another 50-100 miles east, but right now, it's targeted more on Baton Rouge!

Traffic is rolling through the night getting people out... buses are rolling, and even my former employer Ray Nagin has come right out and said "if you don't get out, you are on your own!!!".

The media is expecting another massive flooding nuke strike on NO... but it hasn't happened yet! If the storm jogs even slightly west, it'll be even more diminished in effect on New Orleans. So don't get caught up in the hype- sure, it could be a cataclysm, but it could just as easily be an impressive storm that brushes New Orleans. Something similar happened in in 1992 with Andrew.

tmi3rd

32

Forget strategizing ... ask yourself what's the right thing to do and then just do it.  The press is going to spin no matter what, so just fuck 'em.  Give them a bare amount of information and few interviews.

IMO the right thing to do is volunteer work, and Palin should lead the effort, as she's got hands-on experience with running shit.  What that means for the convention exactly I don't know, and don't really care.  Take what's left over and make something of it, I suppose.

33

What about holding it, but much toned down -- sort of a com[promise between cancel and postpone?  Hold a convention, for one day, no glitter or rainbow farts, just call for roll, vote, McCain accepts, Done.  It gets done the business that really needs doing, and the rest... well, maybe they can announce the change and that all the money earmarked for the geegaws is going to Gustav relief.

34 Ugh... A few drinks + hidden anger for years = fuck the press.  Let 'em blame every right winger for the left wing Louisiana and New Orleans.  Let 'em sink the nation in propaganda.  But fight 'em.  Have the convention and have every speaker talk about the false information the press gave during Katrina and afterwards.  Just focus on them and how they are one of, if not the biggest, enemies this country has by trying to deny information to voters.  Have a convention and just fight the press on their lies for years.  Fight 'em and do what we want to do.  I'm so tired of strategizing and capitulating after Bush.

35 Postpone it. If for some legal or contractual reasons we have to have a "convention," have a minimal one, with no Bush, no McCain, and no Palin.

We are entitled to our own Go-Balloons Week, though, and it's always best if these things fall close to election day, so push back the pomp and circumstance two or three weeks.

In the meantime, let Bush and Jindal handle things. This can be the GOP's moment to shine, but we can't have it look like we're exploiting this storm.

36 So what I'm saying is: what Hermit Dave said with a little more anger at the press in the delivery.

37 wicked that's not bad, but skh.pcola is right that's it's just a circle jerk with a chance for the low levs to get drunk and laid. And we don't need a Jerry Lewis a-thon with out major actual devastation - one thing to remember - Jindal is like 5 million times more equipped to handle this compared to idiot Blanco. I know that everyone thinks that GOP NEEDS the Media, but I think it would be great if the GOP highlighted how excessive the DEMS were by having a big convention by declining (think WASTEFUL) AND sort flipping the bird to the MSM I guarantee if McCain and Plain said we don't need you, the media would NEVER loose focus -- Obama? Obama who? Obama's Bold move was his European Rock tour and the media hoarded. That got him a lot huh?

38

I think that just for the sake of introducing Palin to everyone, there needs to be some kind of convention, since she needs to give a speech or something alot of people will hear.

Though how they manage it, I have no idea.  If the hurricane ends up hitting a red state though, the media won't give a crap and life will go on.  Stupid weather.  Someone tell Bush to turn off the huricane machine please?

39 33 What about holding it, but much toned down -- sort of a com[promise between cancel and postpone? Hold a convention, for one day, no glitter or rainbow farts, just call for roll, vote, McCain accepts, Done. It gets done the business that really needs doing, and the rest... well, maybe they can announce the change and that all the money earmarked for the geegaws is going to Gustav relief. Posted by: Boy Named Sous at August 31, 2008 02:28 AM (jiBuF) Works for me.

40 xander crews, that's a disgusting thing to write. Shame on you.

41 I think that just for the sake of introducing Palin to everyone, there needs to be some kind of convention, since she needs to give a speech or something alot of people will hear. A belated "here's Sarah" in a massive football stadium with Sarah on a subdued platform in the middle of the field Rolling Stones style (Babylon tour) would be bitchen IMHO.

42 Someone tell Bush to turn off the huricane machine please?

Dick Cheney controls the hurricane machine. And nobody tells Dick to do anything.

43 Z Ryan, I know how you feel, man.  I lived in Houston at the time of the storm, and we not only gave money, but clothes.  Some of the stuff was supposed to be for my little boy.

And it's not like it's a huge hardship... I'm like most Americans and have too much, not too little, but I resent the idea that America did something wrong for New Orleans.  New Orleans did itself wrong by a long shot (and reelected the people who did it wrong), and blame those who did the most for it.  In Houston, when my folks visited and stayed at a hotel a year after the storm, there were still assholes from New Orleans living in hotel rooms enjoying food the taxpayers pay for, and doing absolutely nothing (except selling drugs, perhaps).  I imagine there are still a couple of people living off the government dime... 3 years later.

The feds mobilized massively.  You can't put the equipment right on target until after the storm hits or the storm hits your equipment... this is just obvious.  And the mayor and governor so screwed up every aspect of their jobs that it became a lawless hell.  But it was Bush's fault?  My fault?  What the hell is that?  Of course, the White House simply could not be bothers to explain the truth.  Had to be polite to the democrats.  I have no idea why, but that lack of forceful communication has been the great failure of the war on terror.  I'm sure Mccain is aware of it, and I hope he has a plan for fixing it.

44 you could have a series of football field "get to know Sarah" fests vs. just one convention...OK, I'll stop. I'm sure my ideas are unfeasible and highly moron. But it was fun to brainstorm.

45

Gotcha, xander... I'll make sure to pass that on to my friends who were working feverishly on patients in the New Orleans-area hospitals, and also to my Guardsmen friends who are there right now.

Fuck you.

tmi3rd

46

An update...

On the Westbank, near Algiers, there are floodwalls that were being shored up to bring them to levels seen during Katrina and Rita. They are unfinished. Should water come roaring in, they will likely be overtopped.

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2008/08/corps_levee_officials_prepare.html

Keep your fingers crossed.

tmi3rd

47 But it was Bush's fault?  My fault?  What the hell is that?

Not just that, SHILL, but I remember specifically hearing from many media jerks that America forgot about New Orleans!  We forgot about them!  After we gave record donations.  Yeah.  It's such a kick in the junk after all this.  I wonder why I bothered.  Don't give me reason to regret charity to you!  It's terrible.

48 "Nuts!"

49

Z Ryan, Shill...

I totally hear you- and believe you me, there are a lot of New Orleanians who don't see it that way. The media underpublicized it for political gain. And I don't think there's anyone who blames you for being pissed off about it.

All I can tell you is the overriding majority of New Orleanians who are back living in NO are there of their own accord, spending their own money, and working hard to put things back. The population is down by 150K, and I'll promise you that 60% of those were our worst and dumbest... now largely living in Houston.

We all know how it's going to be spun, regardless of outcome... and I wouldn't blame you if you turned your nose up at it. But there are a lot of damn fine New Orleanians who do appreciate the help, and understand damn good and well where it comes from.

tmi3rd

50 Isn't Minnesota going to be pissed if hey lose out completely on the cash that the convention would bring in? If the RNC wants to keep it in play, a postponed convention would be better than none at all, right?

51

Probably so, Xander...

tmi3rd

52

Here's an article on troop movements into the storm-affected zone...

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2008/08/guardsmen_on_alert_roll_into_n.html

tmi3rd

53 I have nothing to give to them anymore anyway.

I just feel used and betrayed.  I know not everyone is a douche.  But when it's just chic left-wing culture to be a jerk to me in return... yeah, I feel I could have given to better causes.  Helped a greater number of people who would have appreciated it.... and not have been shit on by the press and large segments of American pop culture.

Don't tell me we "forgot about" New Orleans.  Next time I have some to give, I'll find more to give to  armed forces causes.  But it'll be a while, because I did give everything I could.

54

Totally hear you, bro. Thanks for what you did- there are some damn good folks I know who were helped by what you and what many gave.

tmi3rd

55 soooo off topic, but blood boil time http://patterico.com/2008/08/30/andrew-sullivans-sexist-attacks-on-sarah-palin/ no comment, well one...is Andrew saying that gay couples HAVE to give up their occupation if they were to care for a downs child???

56 Why not utilize the convention as a contingency platform for communicating and coordinating emergency resource planning?  

...Who exactly is paying for this little shindig?

( I hear the words "despicable" and "never again" ringing in my ears...)

Could this possibly serve as a leadership test?    ....nah, I'm just tired.

57 My advice is to keep the nut-ass NGO's and UN goons away from cleaning up the inevitable mess. NO was rescued by troops during Katrina. They did a damn fine job. Bureaucracies don't respond to front-line crises very well; I thought Bush, and the nation as a whole, pulled through for NO quite well. Let's hope this one proves that the USG learns and adapts-- that we are more than just competent.

58

Xander and Z Ryan--

My initial response to both of you was fuck off and that I hope you never had to deal with a natural disaster.  But I understand your donor fatigue.   A lot was done for New Orleans.  A lot more needs to be done.

Katrina was a catalyst for New Orleans:  The city was dying before Katrina, and the recoveyr will either make us like Detroi more quickly or it'll make us like a real city. 

This being said, while I appreicate your press-induced donor fatigue, don't denigrate the many people who are trying to make the best out of this opporunity. 

 

 

59 Raki: That is pathetic. Katrina-for-profit.

60 tmi3rd,

Thanks for the posts, and you're right, me being pissed off doesn't make much sense to the kids out there who have stupid parents, or the Republican who has a job and can't move away from idiots that reelect Nagin.

I'm a very fortunate person.  I don't see myself as rich, but like most Americans, that's only because I don't pay enough attention to what life could be like.

Keep up the updates.  hopefully, things won't get bad, but I think they will probably have some problems, and I certainly won't ignore them just because of the bad few.

To be honest, it's mostly the press and Bush's idiotic FEMA director that piss me off.  The democrats in New Orleans are basically sub-human monsters... a natural result of Louisiana politics, and I don't expect anything from them. 

You know, Mccain is among the politicians who claim New Orleans was some kind of national disgrace.  So, I guess I shouldn't be so partisan about it.  But no worries, man, if they need help in New Orleans, I'll find a way to contribute.  And again, I appreciate the reportage.

61 The points against postponing are good but at the end of the day the free ammo that the Stalinist media and their Democrat puppets would get from not postponing is not worth whatever would be gained by going ahead. 

62

Always, my brother- keep the faith.

I'm going to bed. Lots of friends whose travel will need coordinating.

tmi3rd

63

Prince on Pause:

The billions from the federal government have repaired many things that were damaged by Katrina and also many things that were broken before Katrina. 

I appreciate the help.  We need every penny of it.

This being said, the money from the feds is nothing compared to the help we received from churches around the nation. 

If it weren't for churches around nation, nothing would have been rebuilt.

64 Raki, now that I've read your post, I've realized that the whole thing was a scheme of the League of Shadow's. Go with the telethon. Two reasons: 1. I remember when the NRA came here to Denver after the Columbine shooting. Didn't matter that they already had millions invested in the convention. They still get beat up by the media for not canceling everything in the wake of that tragedy. 2. Show America again how free people can make a difference. Show it that the good will of men and women who are exercising free will is better than pouring resources into the more complicated government machine, hoping it will do the job. You want to prove the worth of those tax-exempt religious organizations? Start finding buses and supplies. Si, She Puede!

65 As a lifelong Republican who has donated time and money to Republican campaigns, I am shocked and disgusted that my party would intentionally schedule a convention during a hurricane.

I regretfully must vote for Barack Obama. I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.

66 Sweet Sarah Palin music vid on YouTube -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDPI0

67 Oops, that last one was me. Does anyone recognize the music from that YouTube vid? They played it during her announcement in Dayton.

68

League of Shadows?  Try League of Doom. 

Brad Pitt and his foundation get all the glory.  (Yes, they do a good job.)  The people who do the most of the work are the congregants from 2d Presbyterian Church (or 3d Methodist Church or 1st Baptist Church) of Bitter Falls, Nowhere.

Unfortunately, though, I think the Republicans would get the same amount of press coverage as the Christian volunteers.

 

 

69 My initial response to both of you was fuck off and that I hope you never had to deal with a natural disaster.

Going on, I know this isn't your final sentiment.  Charitable giving is extra.  I'm not hoping anything bad on them.  And not giving doesn't count against people---it's  extra!  So now why should I give to New Orleans when I could give to, say.... the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation?  I help good people and don't get shit on for it.  The people of New Orleans shouldn't be pissed at me not giving to them any more than I should be pissed at them for not giving to me.  They should be pissed at the assholes who say we forgot about them and/or drive away extra donations, such as Kanye West _{(and pop culture figures and organizations who celebrate him for it)}.  Giving isn't bad.  And people always make choices of one cause to give to over another.  Don't be pissed at me if from now on I give to other places.

I've done nothing wrong here.  I only gave at my own expense, and felt shit on when I was chastised for it.

70

200 years ago, where I live wasn't BY lake michigan, it WAS lake michigan.

I don't know what that means, but it's the trute.

71 Carbon footprints quotes someone as saying:


Yet, McCain’s absence will be notable and newsworthy because it will be the first time in history the Presidential candidate did not show up at the convention.


Actually that's not true.  Andrew Glass has a convention-related Q and A over at politico.com, and it includes this:



``Q.: Who was the first presidential nominee to attend a national convention?
A.: In 1932, breaking tradition, New York Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt flew to Chicago to accept the Democratic nomination.''

So McCain's absence would merely be continuing an older tradition.  And anyway, unless there's a prospect of a floor fight or a dark-horse candidate coming out of nowhere, is there any real need for him to be there?

72 Don't let the attacks on Palin chap your patootie. I know the west coast head of PUMA, and she tells me that her women are on the Palin bus like you wouldn't believe. Hard-core Dems are donating thousands to McCain, because they love Palin. Most are turned off by her pro-life stance and evangelical Christianity, but they love the fact that she kicks ass in a man's world, has guns (women with guns = good, men with guns = bad), and is gorgeous without being slutty. And they HATE what the libs and some Repub sour-grapes merchants like Krauthammer are saying about her. They're going to vote for McCain because he showed one of their sisters great respect; he put his money where his mouth is. And of course by electing Palin they get to give a big "FUCK YOU" to every jerk who put them down. So, perversely, the trashing of Palin is a good thing. Every time someone trashes her, she gets another female voter. And she can take it. She gets first dibs on all wolf kills in Alaska, after all.

73

Z Ryan:

I apologize for my initial reaction.  It's not right, but it's also difficult to hear how useless, how evil, how worthless things are when you are doing your best to make things better.

But you are right absolute right that charitable giving is on top of everything else.  And being here, I wouldn't give a dime unless I was giving to a church.  (I'm using church as shorthand for short for an institution that you trust.)  There are many charlatans who promise much and give nothing--the government (federal, state, and local) is the first to blame. 

I appreciate your help (whether through tax dollars--which are mostly wasted--or through direct giving).  And yes, the media is giving the rest of the nation a raw deal about how much help we've gotten.

Unfortunately, we need more.  (And no, that's not anyone else's fault.)

74 As far as I can tell from all of those fancy-ass maps they show on the TV, the hurricane is not going to hit anywhere close to St. Paul. There's no reason to postpone. If folks get stuck on the roofs waiting for FEMA, then, once again, they are idiots and should have left earlier.

75 btw, Gustav is a cocksucker

76 Another good parent, and another addorable girl.

77

Know how I know you are gay?

You like Azia!

78

Cancel the first night so Bush and Cheney can go to LA.  Dems' heads will explode as they get no footage to use in attack ads.  Then go ahead with the rest of the convention when it becomes apparent that all the Republican governors on the Gulf Coast knew what they were doing this time and have the situation under control.  Distribute film of convention delegates in St. Paul writing checks and giving blood.

On the second night, have Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Mitt Romney, and Cindy McCain announce that they are personally donating a combined $50 million for relief efforts.  Then show a film of all the Republican governors on the Gulf Coast managing the situation properly, with a special 800 number shown throughout for people to call for donations.  Conclude with Sarah Palin speaking about Republican governors managing the situation properly and announcing that the 800 number has already raised another $10 million.

Third night exactly as planned, with McCain introduced via satellite feed by Bobby Jindal.  McCain hails all the Republican governors who handled the situation properly. 

McCain gets 10 point bounce.  Liberals begin mass suicides.

79 I saw on the news last night where a bigassed typhoon it India and there are about 3 million Indians wading around in waist deep water with all the shit they could salvage stacked on their head. Would someone please tell me what Rove has against Indians? Was he aiming for Pakistan and just screwed the pooch or what?

80 Dr. Carlton is a Republican, and he's deploying his hurricane machine to allow McCain to delay accepting the nomination so he can raise more money. (Palin, of course, is one of Carlton's fembots.) And the OSI is too busy running its secret prisons to stop this evil scheme.

81 I say turn the convention into a hurricane relief telethon.  Draw a stark contrast between Repubs pitching in to help the people of the Gulf Coast and the Greek Temple spectacle of the Chosen One.  A few choice comments by delegates into the network microphones about the Dems celebrating the coincidence of Gustav and the Republican Convention would hit a little harder from a telethon format.

82 Canceling or postponing the convention is a bad idea. McCain needs the follow-through after the Palin selection to maintain momentum and introduce her to the people. People are all hyped up to watch now. If they punt, the gap in the narrative will be filled by the Obama campaign and the MSM. Besides, neither McCain nor Palin can do anything in Louisiana other than look sympathetic - or foolish if nothing actually happens.

83 "Draw a stark contrast between Repubs pitching in to help the people of the Gulf Coast and the Greek Temple spectacle of the Chosen One." Not to mention the contrast between Republican delegates rolling up their sleeves and doing something constructive, and the legions of smelly, greasy protesters tromping all over the Twin Cities looking even more the self-absorbed, spoiled brats that they are.

84 Delaying the convention delays the requirement to conform to McCain Feingold provisions for the general election, right? Delay it until October 25th. Send the Twins an invite to the Inaugural party. Spend the federal money in two weeks, keep spending private money, and plenty of it until then. Meanwhile, McCain has hurricane telethons and Palin (and Cheney) takes reporters on hunting trips. I'd recommend MSNBC avoid the upland bird trips.

85

Split the convention ala live feed from the Gulf (Bobby Jindal et al handling the crisis, McCain broadcast giving his support; Palin in action close to, but not an actual part of the action so as to avoid claims of grandstanding), postpone the convention festivities until later in the week (the actual "convention", so it gives McCain more time to recieve funds), run the telethon with key Republican players publicly donating to it as a sidebar, bring up Katrina and find a way to mention (a lot) that charitable donations from the private and church sector were what really made the difference then and that sort of American unity is what's needed now, that action not words are what's needed now.  Then McCain gives a short acceptance speech in a subdued (or how about "Jacksonian" grassroots?) venue later in the week -- speech focusing on, American unity and preserverance in the face of hard circumstance, that it has always been a distinctly American virtue to work hard, unite, and not let anything get us down in times of crisis (while alluding to the potentials of other crisis in the future that our leaders will need to rally the people for).

Take the other side's flags of "hope n change" and "yes we can" for our own, and show them as true action, not rhetorical drivel.

86 Oh, and use Palin and Johnny, yes, but put a focus on the other Republicans (Jindal, Romney, et al) and especially -- Cindy McCain.  Let's give the potential First Lady this ball.  Let the public see her for something other than a beer heiress and lay to rest the "other woman" baggage; she needs to be something other than arm candy and I think she is.  Show her off with Palin and as an answer against Michelle and Jill; she does have a history of charitable works, no?  With that, she'd be perfect for the job of leading a telethon, relief effort.

87 Republics need to determine what disgusts and angers the msm the most and then do it.  This is proving to be a sure-fire indicator of what our ancestors called noble, honorable, and virtuous.

88

Oh, and turn the hurricane into an excellent platform for why we need to support more domestic drilling.  The Gulf oil is going to be shut down for a while, which means gas prices go up -- with a more widespread drilling we wouldn't be feeling the pinch so much, thanks Nan and Reid for taking that vacation.

Sorry for all the posts, but these ideas are off the cuff.

 

89 postpone

90

The thing that has chapped my ass the most about this situation is that the media is all about praising the preparations this time without mentioning one, single time that the governor is now a Republican.  Nagin is being hailed as a crisis management genius for ordering the evacuation early and providing transportation to get people out.  There is apparently a collective amnesia about his abject failure the first time around.  I would have been more surprised if he had not done the opposite of what he did in 2005.

Jinal's decisions are being underplayed to a lrage extent.  I guess the media is hoping that people will think that a Dem is still in charge.

91 <i>one thing to remember - Jindal is like 5 million times more equipped to handle this compared to idiot Blanco.</i>

Exploit this.  Fuck the media, they are going to screw you anyway.  Use the convention to help if you can, point out how much more capable Jindal is than Blanco, and have your party.

You can't postpone something this size, all the venues big enough stay booked months and years in advance.  You would be left with some podunk little clusterfuck that would make you look incompetent.  Again.

The Dem's just politicized another funeral
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usobam0831,0,6937741.story
so if they start any shit, rub their noses in it, but quit being pussies and worrying about what people might say, they are going to say it no matter what you do.

92 your moron at large, reporting from the West side of the Middle East, with linky heaven.

remember this guy?
https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01FZUNnTXZ0NjgwTVE9PQ

http://www.nola.com/
LOVE the headline NAGIN: FLEE THE MOTHER OF ALL STORMS

93 Go forward but scale it back. Have live video updates from Bush, Jindal and anyone else that is relevant and involved with Gustav as to what is going on and what they are doing. Half the press if not more will be focused on the storm itself. The press that is focused on the convention should see what the Republican leaders are doing to deal with the crisis and let that contrast with what we were fed during Katrina and the donks circle jerk in Denver last week. Demonstrate competence not self-love from Greek temples.

94

The difference between Katrina and Gustav evacuations are night and day.  There seems to be a guiding plan this time around. 

I ran into two NPR reporters last night.  They of course interviewed the most toothless individuals (and not in a good way) they could find. 

The National Guard is already here.  I wish we had this many troops here full time.

95 Oh and trot Palin out as the person who will be coordinating the communications between McCain, the current administration and the local gov'ts who are dealing with this mess. Let her demonstrate some leadership and executive management. Lemons - Lemonade.

96 rockmom and unknown jane have the best ideas. If Gustav is a disaster, use a subdued convention to highlight the competence of Republican governors. If Nagin tries to butt in, fine. Highlight his responce under a Dim gov. and a Republican gov. Let the delegates know, they are expected to give blood and start collecting money donations now. If they can't or won't, there are always alternative delegates. And a rollcall for McCain votes *with* the donations collected privately from each state states would be awesome. "The great state of Wherever casts 105 votes for the next President of the United States John McCain and contributes $X million to the Republican Hurricane Relief Fund." Each night highlight private/religious citizen groups - to show the generosity of the American people. To counter the MSM lies, and the ZRyan effect. Heck, even show the how the states that had Republican gov. faired under Katrina versus LA/New Orleans. Remeber the levee broke a couple of days *after* the hurricane passed. Shorten all the speeches to show live goodworks. Let Cindy and Sarah run the effort. This could be a true moment for celebration of American life and values.

97

Keep in mind that even if New Orleans is spared, the West Bank and South Central Louisiana probably will be devasted. 

I doubt the media will give those folks the same attention.

98 Ignore the hurricane. Show people that this shit should not be politicized. With the exception of Jindal and other republican governors/congressmen of the states in harm's way, this is not a concern of McCain. He's not a senator from a state in trouble and he is not in charge (yet).

If Jindal, Bush and other republicans who are in charge of the affected areas don't show up, we understand and we appreciate that they're more committed to doing their job than going to the circus.

99 RE:  26 <sub>Is every hurricane a Republican scandal from now on, or something? It's insane that we've allowed the Democrats to put this albatross around our necks.

Blame the completely clueless and inept Bush media "machine". They should have ass-raped Blanco and Nagin over their idiocy during Katrina, instead they sat back and took it like "compassionate conservatives". Morons - hopefully Sarah exercises her expertise at firing fat-assed chairwarmers when she gets to the White House.</sub>

Yes, I agree with both of these remarks. However, it makes little difference what President Bush or those in his administration have to say when the Presstitutes are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the donkeycrat party. Until the press are no longer presstitutes but truly start reporting the news in a fair and balanced manner, there is too much to overcome. When the news media give the Michael Moores and Dan Fowlers props even when they say things like G_d must be on our side to have a hurricane hit NO during the Republican convention says much about the donkeycrat party and it's presstitute running-dogs.

100

Whatever the Republicans do, the media will twist it to prove that they didn't care when a Democrat was governor and that it was only the brave media that EXPOSED the uncaring during Katrina and pressured the Bush administration to do better this time.

There can be no right answer when the people reporting the news are insane.

101 Has anyone bothered to ask why The Messiah^TM hasn't stilled the wind and calmed the waters with the sweetness and light of his hopey-changey brilliance?

102 test, please ignore

103 So what's up with that comment there pajama momma?

104 Hermit Dave: + (another) 1

105

To all of those who have donor fatigue and are ticked off at us deadbeats down in lazy, backwater Louisiana, I understand.  Thank you, from the bottom of my heart for every bit of time and money, food, clothing, toothpaste, etc. that you selflessly gave. What I need is for you need to understand that the media has protrayed us all the same when we aren't.

Hubby was back to work five days after the storm.

I was back to work two and a half weeks after the storm. 

We took in relatives in the rental we had to open up rental places for other people.

Hubby's job helped us get set up and find the rental, but we were too busy working to stand in line at any of the staging areas with our hands out all day.

Yes, we did get some food stamps, and a bit of money from the goverment.  We used that to feed everyone in the house, and I replaced the things I immediately needed to work and live with the money.

We got a few MREs and some donated food and water while down in the parish, gutting and cleaning the house because there was NOTHING to be bought in the parish, and we were living about two hours away.  We did not leave our property to turn to blight like a lot of what you see on the news.

We are absolutely and completely grateful for even the little bit of assistance we did get from people and we, in turn, have donated to various causes.  Anything we did have left over that we received, we passed on to others who did not.

We gutted, cleaned, maintained and rebuilt the property ourselves.  We did everything but hang sheetrock and that's because you can't do that wrong and not have it look like total crap. We did not have church groups come in and do the work that we could do ourselves.

We were responsible enough to have insurance.  We did for 14 years before the storm when we moved in, and we still have it now.

Google Sharon Jasper.  She is the type of person to make you HATE donating a second or a cent. Google her, read her pathetic, self-serving story, and then think about those of us who the media did not show.  Those of us who are hard working, caring, responsible people who happen to live in an unstable but absolutely beautiful place are not her.  We have the nicest, most hardworking people, the best food, wonderful history, gorgeous landscapes, and everything else that would make you want to live here if you didn't think about the hurricanes. If you came to visit, you'd want to come back again and again.

Thank you again for everything you have done and will do.

Be safe, all my fellow gulf coasters.

 

106

Clean out the Democrat clocks with historical facts. Bush warned LA Gov & NO Mayor to get their evacuation underway DAYS before Katrina hit, daily reminding the Democrats of their obligations to their constituents. The Democrats rebuffed federal advice and refused preventive aid. Put that on the official Republican websites that may be designated to collect contributions for the Gulf's Gustav GOP Fundraiser.

Just as Mother Nature calls, still the show must go on. Cutting off the GOP Convention would be a sign of weakness, as if when tragedy strikes, the GOP crumbles. Business MUST move forward, even the business of coping with a Gulf hurricane.

Tithe all GOP donations made the day the hurricane strikes and begin the Convention Monday on schedule, on target. Immediately designate a link on the RNC website homepage for hurricane news to make contributions. Convert a quiet room aside from the Convention floor for those wishing to meditate or pray for the well being of the storm victims and survivors throughout the week.

America Cares, and Republicans take care of the nitty gritty work best of all when under attack, whether a natural disaster strikes or terrorists attack,

GO GOP RESPONSE!

107 I donated my tax rebate check to 9/11 victims and have since been called jingoistic and deluded.

I donated all of my spare bedding, diapers, tents, air mattresses, clothes, shoes, baby blankets, and toys to Katrina relief and have since been called an uncaring racist.

If the need arises, I will donate whatever I can to victims of Gustav and any other disasters that may come after.

In short, I don't donate because I care what other people think of me. I do it because I think it's the right thing to do.

108 Has anyone bothered to ask why The Messiah^TM hasn't stilled the wind and calmed the waters with the sweetness and light of his hopey-changey brilliance?

1. He can't.
2. Even if he could, he enjoys watching OTHERS suffer.

109 mpur

Spoken like a true American.

110 Nagin re-elected.  Nuff said.

111 The more McCain is on television by himself*, the worse he'll do. The convention itself won't be a good thing for him.

So I'm in favor of minimizing the Republican Convention out of respect for the hurricane victims.

*Now, when McCain is opposite Obama in a debate, I think he'll do well.

112

something like 50 million fucking people watched the DNC and obama got a significant bounce.

The conventions are marketing, and without marketing in this country you wont sell shit. Cancelling is the most moronic fucking thing ive ever heard

No one knows Sarah Palins story. No one. Deprive the opportunity of tens of millions to hear it and the Dem/MSM machine takes over. Then all people will know is the current talking points

"Shes the mayor of a small town who stands by the extreme right wing of the party and is bad for women" Dont believe it? I just heard about 10 dem talking heads on 5 diff channels repeating this mantra

No convention for the GOP equals President Obama

113 Bush and Cheney will not be going to the convention. Given the Dems constant attempt to link McCain to Bush, that is actually good news. Bush is already reporting from FEMA HQ and saying he is in constant contact with Barbour, R-MS, Jindal, R-LA and Perry, R-TX. They've been evacuating New Orleans and other low lying areas for over a day now. There is no way to ignore this event. It will be covered by the press. The best thing to do is to highlight the efforts that Republicans leaders are making to protect life and property. If McCain/Palin can be shown to be on top of this problem and taking action, it will go a long way toward putting the inexperienced thing to bed. McCain can demonstrate, just as he did with the surge, that he is not going to hide or run from the problem but he will deal with it head on.

114 @Raki: This being said, the money from the feds is nothing compared to the help we received from churches around the nation. If it weren't for churches around nation, nothing would have been rebuilt. If that isn't the stinkiest, steamiest, most putrid crock of shit, I'll kiss your ass at noon on the steps of a courthouse of your choice. Churches and churchpeople might have contributed mightily to rescue, recovery, and rebuilding efforts, but for you to belittle the TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars that the taxpayers kicked to NOLA and its environs is downright fucking retarded. Note that "billions" starts with a "b." Evangelical "magic thinking" is why many people label right-wingers as idiots. Hell, I'm as right-wing and conservative as is possible, but you fucktards who attribute anything good to the Greater Glory of God, regardless of who did what with whatever, just piss me off. I know 20-22 people who collectively spent several man-years in NOLA after Katrina and none is particularly religious or affiliated with an ostensible religious group. Frankly, "nothing would have happened would it not have been for the churches" is an insult. You are engaging in the absolutism that marks Islamophiles as suckers of cock..."if you aren't with us, you don't count." Fuck that.

115

I say fuck the convention and fast forward to the general campaign. Let's get to the business of eviscerating TheOne/TheMouth and showing them up for the leftwing liberal gasbag douchnozzles they are.

MAVERICK/SARACUDA '08

"No prisonerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs!!! "

116 #111 Should tell us what he(she) really thinks and quit pussy-footing around.

117 I say they postpone, give the jackals in the MSM an extra week to trash Sarah Palin, then let the chips fall where they may. It doesn't hurt anything, and it give Bush a plausible reason to no-show.

118 Early on, Carbon Footprint said:" Yet, McCain’s absence will be notable and newsworthy because it will be the first time in history the Presidential candidate did not show up at the convention."

Not so sure that's true.  I may be wrong, but it's my impression that many moons ago, before primaries became so all-determining, conventions were the place where the selection of the candidate was actually made (smoke-filled rooms and all that), and the various nominees tended to stay away, let the party decide, and then await the call of the party to request that he accept their nomination.

That was one of the things that bugged me about the pundits who observed that the Clintons' dominance of the first day or so showed that Obama "wasn't controlling the convention" the way he should have.  But it wasn't Obama's convention, it was the Democratic Party's convention - Dean & Co should have been in total control.

Another example of the conversion of the Presidency into a Monarchy.

119 Hey we had a Stephanie Tubbs Jones die here in Ohio...why didn't Obama cancel the Dim Convention?  I agree grow some GOP...the New Orleans crowd are not the only people in the US and heck they do not cancel Mardi Gra when I get a snow storm!!

120 I've heard several journalists use the line 'God must be a democrat' with regards tot his hurricane this morning.

I find it suspiciously like an attempt to cover for the Fowler quote to that effect.  Now, dems can roll their eyes at their gaffe, as they love to do, and say it's not a big deal that they put political power over the welfare of citizens.

I'm amazed how everything is working well this time, and 99% of the difference is that the media has been accurate (last time it was ridiculously innaccurate stories about tens of thousands of dead, rapes in the dome, murders in public, etc), the other difference is that the local response in Louisiana is completely different.  A lot of the pundits are noting that things are on the ball this time, but failing to note that the roles that are acting correctly now were controlled by democrats in Katrina, and a fair assessment is that in deed Katrina's problems were largely due to democrats failing to act (and a wicked weather situation that was bound to suck).  Of course, Bush's idiot FEMA director was a jackass for his comments, and Bush himself did not handle the media well, as always, but that is the limit of their errors, and I'm very frustrated that the news clearly vindicates the suggestion that the chaos in Katrina was a local and state scandal, not a federal one, yet the media keeps reminding us that the Republicans screwed up in Katrina.  It's such a radical bias they have.  Is there any way to change this 'accepted truth'?  I guess not.

121 Why the hell should we pander to the media?

122 The convention cannot go on as planned. Why not? Because unlike Democrats, Republicans actually cares about people in need. Not politically motivated, welfare-induced, "woe is me, life is hard" fabricated need, but legitimate, life-threatening need. Right now the residents of the Gulf Coast are in legitimate need and any non-essential, pomp and circumstance takes a distant second to helping them. Every able-bodied Republican in Minneapolis should hop the next plane, train, or automobile to the Gulf Coast to help out and leave a post-it note on the MSM's offices in the convention hall sayng "McCain and Palin nominated."

123

So what's up with that comment there pajama momma?

 

you don't ignore very well do you?

124 P.S.

After the crisis, then treat Obama and Biden like rented, red-headed, step-mules

125 Sandi, of course we should not pander to the media that would love to keep stabbing us over a Katrina debacle that was Blanco and Nagin's doing.

I hope the convention could be a dialogue on the follies of relying on the federal government and blaming the federal government for everything.  I know the media would use this against us, but a frank discussion of how much better Gustav is being handled, exclusively because state and local authorities are doing their job, is as firm as proof as you could ask for that Katrina was not Bush's fault, and blaming the President for everything bad is a great way to ensure that those who drop the ball can escape blame.

State and local responsibility is cruciall important for law enforcement, immigration, drug policy, and education to work correctly.  The fact that there are disasters in these issues (in certainly it's bad in most democrat cities more than it's bad elsewhere), shows that many local politicians, frankly usually Democrats, use blaming the feds as an excuse to hide their performance, and continue the problems we've had for a long time.

Obama doesn't promise to make the locals do a better job.  Hell, I don't even know how a president is supposed to.  But his grandiose promise of vague and universal change and hope is a huge shield... he's saying it's because of Bush that none of the desperately needed progress in Chicago has occured.  Mccain can make the argument that a good president can only do so much good if local and state politicians follow the Katrina model of blaming the feds.  He can make the argument that his role is important but not messiah-like.

Perhaps a focus on the hurricane now, in an analytical mode, could help educate voters on these points.  But in this day and age, where winning elections is a function of promising to fix all ailments, I'm sure my formula of honesty is a recipe for defeat.

126 What exactly is Mccain doing in Mississipi? He is a senator from Arizona. Both McCain and Obama need hundreds of police and secret service to protect them. These police are needed in the hotspot areas. What exactly is he coordinating? If Obama was in the Gulf Coast it would be seen as a media stunt. Should all the senators be on the Gulf Coast? Even President Bush is making sure not to get in the way. The Problem with Katrina was that no assistance was sent after the fact. The problem was not that Bush did not go to the area. The problem was that they responded to the aftermath poorly. Even if Bush was in New Orleans through the whole thing it would not help in any way.
Of course both campaigns will use this to make their points...I am an independent so I can see things as they are. We have been fooled before by both parties....if you think that one party is any better than another you are naive. These are politicians...their job is to fool you. and you are fooled every time.....
Both Mccain and Obama should stay away from the Gulf Coast..there is nothing they can do there except try to make themselves look good......you are all being tricked!

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