1 Doesn't matter much now, does it.

2 Do you think that McCain might have pointed to Freddie/Fannie donations to political candidates and asked the American people to "follow the money?"

Why not?

3 Meh.



It's a word. Google it!

4
Not surprised in the least...

5 Don't worry Ace. These are probably the same people that think Obama's going to pay their mortage (or rent) and credit card bills. Become a sadist and enjoy their pain when reality bites them in the ass. That's what I'm gonna do.

6

Fuck me.

So if by some miracle, the Republicans gain back power in 2010 and they cause shit to hit the fan. Does that mean, its really the dems fault because obama is President?

This is why, I have no one iota of faith in our public school system. It makes me sick.

7 This should surprise nobody. The whole Democratic strategy depends on people voters being ignorant about politics.

8 The best, or worst I guess, question was the one on who said they campaigned in all 57 states?  Of course that had to be Palin.

9 Tabloid election. That's all it's become. And if they had wanted to fill the 24/7 cycle with real sh*t about Obama, they could have. And that's just the stuff we know!. I'm sorry but my fellow liberals (former) are embarrassing. They wanted to be bamboozled. They wanted a reason to hate anyone that opposed Obama. I always have to ask my fellow liberal friends (many of them former now...it's been a bridge burner of an election) who would benefit by playing the race card? A racist does not have to be convinced to behave as a racist. But the "victim" of the race card has everything to benefit. I'm still trying to figure out how I was ever a part of this group. Still in deprogramming mode myself.

10

Hey Ace, you gonna join the blog roll to announce Victory in Iraq day?

Gatway Pundit

Blackfive

Jawa among many more....

Via Zombie

http://tinyurl.com/5flgg2

11 >>Why not?

Because McCain is a douche. I especially loved how he would always use that stupid Miss Congeniality line ( "I never won Miss Congeniality" or something to that effect) but then start touting his bipartisan bonafides.

I always thought the the goal of his whole senate career was the pursuit of the Miss Congeniality award.

12 Democrat Party - Keeping the plebs stupid is our only strategy!

13 This is why you don't win by running moderates.  The middle-of-the-road voters don't vote on issues.

14

It's amazing how dumb democrats really are.

15

I suppose it was somewhat comforting that one of the voters admitted that she wasn't as well informed as she thought she was (but stated that she wouldn't have changed her vote, regardless...)

 

 I suppose Katie Couric would be happy to know that Dem voters read the NYTimes for their info....

16 New republican strategy: introduce the public to the democrats and their policies.

17 It's amazing how dumb democrats really are.


But smart enough not to nominate McCain.

18 Wow...I'm the same age as some of the kids in there, and I knew all of those.  I had not heard Obama's specific comment on bankrupting the coal industry, just that he'd said it.  And I knew about Biden's gaffe on coal while working the crowds.

Man, I feel sick after seeing that...  Anybody else want to vomit after the "redistribute the wealth" question?

19 We need help.... Obama is winning the Person of the year Poll...... Palin dropped from first to third because of the Obamanuts surge....

Vote down Obama!
http://tinyurl.com/5hdzxm

20 Why did the Republicans figure out so late that it was a good strategy to run against Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid?

It's not like the pair had approval ratings in the gutter when the Democratic Primaries began or something.

Oh shit.  They did.  The Republicans did nothing.

21

Perhaps we should require a basic civics test prior to voting. You must score 75% or higher or you're disqualified.

Naw, never happen - probably racist.

22 Nothing new here. We know they are ignorant of the issues or just don't seem to care. The MSM gets alot of blame but so do the voters for not getting themselves informed in the first place

23 Six degrees of moronity --- the Joe Biden "six month" clip in this video? Snipped from the Biden vid made by yours truly.

24 I especially loved how he would always use that stupid Miss Congeniality line ("I never won Miss Congeniality" or something to that effect) but then start touting his bipartisan bonafides.  I always thought the the goal of his whole senate career was the pursuit of the Miss Congeniality award.

He wanted to win it from Democrats, not Republicans.

25 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Mencken

26

Howard Stern did a segment where he basically transposed all of McCain’s policies on Obama and asked random people what they thought of Obama's policies.  He even asked what they thought of Obamas's choice of Palin as his VP.   The answers were HILARIOUS

27 For me the scary thing about this video was that they passed the media test. "This is what you should know!" What if the media decided conservatives should be mocked and were the problem in America. Oh wait they do say that. It is truly dangerous to not have a free media.

28 I feel like that Indian with a tear running down his face in that old commercial.

My country....!

29 Perhaps we should require a basic civics test prior to voting.


If you really want to winnow out irresponsible voters, just have a wealth provision;  limit the franchise to those with a minimum of a six-figure net worth (excluding primary residence).

That would put ACORN out of business.

30 How Obama Got Elected? Sheeit- I just found out a game could end in a tie.

31 I say we call today's youth generation the Jaywalking generation from Jay Leno's jaywalking segments on The Tonight Show.

32

Just watched idiot David Frum (son of Canadian commentator the late Barbara Frum, if I am not mistaken) saying that Republican message "didn't get out", so talking louder won't help.  Let me help you here, Dave.  It didn't get out because the liberal elites run the media, and won't let it out.  We have to figure out a way to get around them, but not by just saying what they want us to say, dofus.  What the hel is the point in that?

These "media conservatives" have been in the big media for so long they have forgotten how to listen to real conservatives, and they have simply bought into the MSM stereotypes of the marginalized hillbillies.  Well, I am sure it will get him his next big job.

33 The voters have spoken. And what an incredibly stupid bunch of cumgurgling neanderthals they are. Or at least 52% of them. The bastards.

34 When Obama said 57 states, he was incorrect, but perhaps he was subliminally thinking of the 57 Arab states.  Isn't that interesting?

35 it's not like the president or mccain have a bully pulpit to make these points known.  Oh it is like that? 
At least those two goofs were shown the same respect they shown their opponents...
oh, never mind.
can our next nominee try to win and stuff?

36

 

I weep for my country...

 

 

37 "These "media conservatives" have been in the big media for so long they have forgotten how to listen to real conservatives, and they have simply bought into the MSM stereotypes of the marginalized hillbillies." Their in the matrix. They believe it is reality but......

38

here's an anecdote about the type of people who voted for the one:

my brother- total libtard, mostly cuz he married one, so that pretty much made him one too- is opposed to Fairness Doctrine, Card Check, and Freedom Of Choice Act.

STILL. voted. for. Obama.

friggin broad he married has his mind bent. I need a de-programmer. I need an intervention. I need an old priest and a young priest.

39

I've promised myself that I will never ever do an on-camera Jay Walking style interview.  Even if it's a subject on which I'm well informed, the one clip that would make it on-air would be the one that makes me sound about as intelligent as Harry Reid on a bad day.

I'm not saying this video's editors did that, just that it would happen to me in that situation.

40 Rachel Lucas has a good blog. She is taking Chemistry classes and talks about the idiots who have no sense. Same as these dolts, if you feel informed, then you are. Facts are irrelevant, its all about your self-esteem. We are so screwed

41 Guess I might as well start smoking crack. Brains are obviously of no use anymore.

42 "Universal adult suffrage is a very bad fucking idea."

-Stuff Thomas Jefferson Would Have Said If He Had Seen This
 1st Edition

43 29 Perhaps we should require a basic civics test prior to voting.


If you really want to winnow out irresponsible voters, just have a wealth provision;  limit the franchise to those with a minimum of a six-figure net worth (excluding primary residence).

Ugh, take it from an unemployed conservative, that's a lousy idea.  You lose me and a sizable swath of social conservatives and keep all the country clubbers.  If we have to start over from scratch, let's go the Starship Troopers route and limit voting privileges to veterans (but let anyone enlist).

44 It's also a significant reason why McCain won the primary system.

45 This has all been made possible by the motor voter laws...

...and same day registration and other crap the Left managed to enact which allows idiots who can't think past today to go and affect the outcome of elections better left to people who actually think.

Seriously, that redhead was a case study in why the uninformed should not be allowed to vote.

46 "I hears me the guy's a veteran. Served in Vietnam, I think. Always seems to get good press..."

47 Democrats need stupid people in order to win. It's working.

48 I kept saying during the campaign that McCain should run against Congress. My husband finally said, "Most people probably think the Republicans control Congress." Smart guy, my husband. He does not get his news from The Daily Show.

49 This is so true; RANK IGNORANCE. But honestly, how do we have an honest conversation about this without name calling. I have believed from the first Obama fainter that we were not dealing with anyone I would have as a friend or could respect. Do I love my fellow man? Well, yes and no. That was really sad to watch. It's frustrating that the educational system is so bad and the media so biased that we will be fighting for the constitution forever. "Spreading the wealth kind of sounds good." Rank ignorance.

50 Sarah Palin is teh stupid so screw you wingnuts!

OBAMA RULZ!!!111!!!1

51

Given the state of higher education, actually all education, I'm not surprised in the least.

52 Democracy could work if it weren't for our electorate.

Damn that's distressing. I knew it was bad, but holy whack! We have the largest and most accessible knowledge base of information ever in the history of humanity, and this is what we produce.

Game over, man. Democracy lost. All that's left is how long it takes to clear the parking lot.

53 Never forget, never forgive...the MSM

54

I'm going to kindly ask our public schools to teach civics.

55

"Allowing non taxpayers and parasites to vote is EVEN WORSE than universal sufferage."

Quoted from "Stuff Reagan may or may not have said but would say now"  Expurgated edition.

56

The media should be embarassed.  Embarassed like a Chesire Cat.

They can't make the people believe Pelosi and Reid are good - too much lifting for that.  But they can make Republicans evil and dumb - at the same time!  And that's all that's needed. 

Screw the Social Conservatives battle with the Economic Conservatives.  Is there any tie that binds more than the knowledge that the media is the enemy of the Republican Party?  A smart Republican Party retools as the anti-media party.  Every O screw up - blame the media.  Show how it was predictable if the media had done their jobs. 

 

 

57 so who's ready to go Fight Club route with me, but replace financial institutions with MSM

58

"The media will always blork you in the squeakhole."

 

Stuff Reagan probably said, 4th edition, unexporgated.

59

Fuck it, I'm headed to my gulch.

60 Did you see where Miss Kathleen Parker is now the darling over at MSNBC? It is so amazing, just turn on one of your own and the left wing media just becomes your best friend. Kinda like John McCain when he use to date Chris Mathews for 6 years. Remember that folks?

61

Now wait a minute.  I thought McCain was dating Keith Uberdouche?  Are you saying he cheated?

 

62

I wish I could say, after having watched that, that I'm surprised.

But I'm not. I personally know too many liberals and Obama voters.

63 Four words: "Voters is dum."

Stuff Biden channeled from Reagan in What Reagan Would Say Now, Unexpurgated Ed.

64 Yeah, that a Democratic Congress with an approval rating in the teens gets re-elected is about all you need to know about how fundamentally stone-cold ignorant the electorate was.

And it should've been McCain's job to hammer that point home. Every time that empty-headed Marxist asshole Barack blathered on about how the economic crisis was the result of failed Bush policies, instead of distancing himself from Bush, McCain should've asked that economic illiterate Lenin disciple a) which fucking policies he was lying about now and b) what he and his Democrat colleagues had done in the past two years, when they had control of the House and (in effect) the Senate, to forestall the slump. And then watch the Teleprompter Messiah hem and haw and bluster and reach vainly into his bag of Ayers tricks and fall back on his Communist schooling of wealth redistribution, comrade, and finally cry racist.

Of course, the media wouldn't have reported it, preferring to continue their in-depth reporting on how smooth and cool and tingle-inducing Obama looks stepping off a plane, but the debates would have been a useful place to reach a fairly large audience with the unfortunate truth that Obama is an economic moron.

65 They're not called Obamabots for nothing.

Programmed, bought and paid for.

If the RNC has any sense at all, it will start running ads right after the inaugaration that say, "Hello dumbasses, Democrats now control EVERYTHING, who are you going to blame now?"

66 These very same people probably consider themselves very educated and conservatives to be ignorant hicks. Especially the one who rolled her eyes and said, That woman Palin.

Liberalism is a fine blend of arrogance and ignorance.

67

"Thank God for the 2nd ammendment."

 

Stuff every intelligent American thinks, revised 2008.

68 Makes me want to re-breakup with my girlfriend over her election voting decision.  Frickin morons  (and not the good kind, either).

69 Sarah@#9...I agree. When that whole Missouri truth squad came out I deleted/blocked my liberal friends on email and phones...I sent a copy of the announcement that people that opposed the one, or questioned his policies would be investigated (JtP). I asked them if the really valued freedom and were so anti-snooping they would oppse this man. I told them their bitching about library checking etc...was all bullshit excuses for BDS. I told them all to fuck off, never call/email me again. That was August and I have yet to find I need their help, or care for them to be a part of my life. My disposition has improved by a slight margin too. I'll kick your fucking ass if you think I'm lying. ...My real friends and I always answer our phone when we see a familiar number with something like "Allah Akbar, how goes the (fill in callers occupation) Jihad!" All of our email subject lines have the jist of the message+stupid shit like Diesel, fertilizer, bridge etc..Yes, we are moronic, yuppy, semi- hard core bikers. I'm the only non professional without a Masters degree in the "Cranium Fornicators Motorcycle Gang(tm)". Nobody has ever had trouble, including today, buying handguns or renewing our Concealed Carry Permits....You bitched about Bush spying??? You ain't seen shit yet.     May this correspondence find you well, Rockwell Assfuck, Esq.   

70 "'Hello dumbasses, Democrats now control EVERYTHING, who are you going to blame now?'"

My Friends, now is not the time to do this. We need to reach across the aisle so I can save my phony baloney job.

71

Makes me want to re-breakup with my girlfriend over her election voting decision.  Frickin morons  (and not the good kind, either).

 

Uh, dude.  First have the angry sex, with maybe a donkey punch. 

 

THEN break up with her.

72

From Time Magazine Person of the Year poll:

Now it's your turn to tell us who you think is the most important person of 2008. Should it be first woman Vice Presidential candidate or her female doppelganger on Saturday Night Live?

I had no idea that Tina Fey did a Geraldine Ferraro impression as well.

73 Nothing surprising: this is what universal adult suffrage and compulsory government education get you. When the only requirements for voting are being a "citizen" (which is usually accomplished by being born in an arbitrary area of land) and beating one's heart for 18 years, and when most of those 18 years are spent in government indoctrination centers, it's to be expected that most of those voters will vote for more "free" goodies from Mommy Government. In programmer-speak, "it's not a bug; it's a feature."

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." ―Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America presidential candidate

74 The most dangerous person in the world is the uninformed voter.

Things I said, 1st edition.

75 Not only do we need a civics test for voting, we need to disqualify anyone who receives direct government aid from voting.  That would disqualify myself since I receive govt subsidized student loans, but at least all these other dumbass, societal leeches can't vote themselves bread and circuses.

76 I guess this is the population segment Nigerian scammers prey on.  They'll believe anything, and know nothing.

77 Rethuglicans are dum too

78 Martha, It's time to get the gun and the can food ready... just stay away from the wool blankets..

79

Meh is an official word now........wow.  How about teh?

Or flaming douchebag!  Now those are two words that definitely need to be in the dictionary.

Gentlemen and Lady Morons, we are the ones that have to stand up and educate these.  With Murdoch in the bag too, all of us are our only hope.

80 There was a time in our history when every person on that video would have been ineligible to vote.

Now you know why.

81 I hope Obama keeps capitalism alive.  I'm investing in any high capacity magazine for existing firearms.  Many of them (bottleneck cartridge feeders) are back ordered.

Go figure.

Bend over bitches.  Here it comes.

82

No one here should pretend this is news. Recently, my relatives from north of the border came for a visit (wife's family). While my wife was out of the room, I was asked how I voted. My response was I voted my wallet. The following 10 seconds of silence was priceless until sis in law finally had the courage to ask me what voting my wallet meant, to which I asked, what do you think it means? No one had any idea of what I was talking about. She finally caved and said, so, I've always had you as a democrat, (i've known her 13 years). While not answering her question, I asked her and all the people in the room, 6 total, all Canucks, who they would have voted for, all agreed on BO. The next two questions were too easy, first, name one accomplishment of Obama's (silence), then, give me one reason why you wouldn't vote for McCain, they all said because Palin is unqualified to be President.

I wasn't surprised by their political leanings nor their collective ignorance, but I sure surprised them. For the next 15 minutes, I gave them an education they will never forget (or probably forgive). And I could care less.

83 The guy who made this video bet Alan Colmes money that if he asked the same questions to McCain supporters, they would know all of the answers. End of the story = Liberals are fucking dumb.

84

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism,
but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of
socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."  - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

We are in for some mighty good times. Good Times. Thank goodness we have an excellent educational system and top notch media outlets. /sarc.

85 "I don't think I would change my vote"
Were finished.
Can we talk about Barry's dick, now?

86 Last of the Mohicans was published in January 1826.  It was a bestseller for its time.  What percentage of America, now, could read that book while understanding and enjoying it?  1826.  You're talking about most people getting taught by parents or in a single room school house with Icabod Crane as schoolmaster.  Now we spend a ton of money on education to produce 20% of the result.  What percentage of this country knows who wrote The Federalist Papers?  Take it even further, what percentage of this country knows who John Jay was?  Schools are fixated on mediocrity.  Bad students get all the attention, good ones are that way because they don't require supervision.  Half of this country doesn't like the country because they aren't taught about it.  It's a joke, but it's on us so it's not too funny.

87 They know what they are told to know.

Oh, and LMG?

Fuck off. Race, gender, and class should never be impediments to voting, if that's what you are implying. If not, don't fuck off.

Stupidity and ignorance should be the only grounds for disenfranchisement, not to mention forced sterilization.

88 Dear Jesus, may the Culling come swiftly and be thorough. They're weighing down the rest of the herd.

89 Seriously, that redhead was a case study in why the uninformed should not be allowed to vote.

I'd hit it though.

90

These are what the Dem's call "low-information voters".  The Republicans have got them too, I remember one poll during the primaries where they polled Republicans about the views of the candidates and like 50% thought McCain was a hardline immigration enforcement proponent.   

91

Not surprised at all.  Smarmy dumfucks are so wrapped up in their own echo chambers, while the MSM runs interference.

It's becoming more and more evident the only way to penetrate the MSM cloud cover is with violence, IMHO.  Maybe we could go after them with anti-trust laws - conspiring to fix the informaitonal output or some such.  Or we could boycott them, which achieves little to nothing since the libtards will pick up the slack.  No, it may very well be time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.

I'm only marginally kidding.

92 The problem with American education is not just the schools, it's the kids.  For all the parents who complain about the school system, I'd like to know how much time per day their kids actually spend studying.

93 These are what the Dem's call "low-information voters".  The Republicans have got them too, I remember one poll during the primaries where they polled Republicans about the views of the candidates and like 50% thought McCain was a hardline immigration enforcement proponent.

Maybe someone could interview those voters and start a website called "howaRINOwasnominated.com"

94 Over on the website they commissioned a scientific Zogby poll of Obama voters.  57.4% of them could NOT identify the Dem's as the party in control of congress.  A show of hands who thinks that's by accident?  Anyone?  Me neither. 

95 I'm tired of chicks who make that scrunched up sourpuss face every time they say Palin. Kiss me, you dumb misogynist. You think you're cool? You're just a cowardly hater. You're all those things you profess to hate. Hypocrite.

I don't make an angry face when I say Naomi Wolf (and, really, she's foul). So, grow up and find a legitimate reason to disagree with Palin. Just one. C'mon, you can do it... yes, you can!

96

The media kept pushing this idea that the Fey impression severely damaged Palin. If it is true that a SNL character can influence voters, the Republic is finished and I can only pray to God that these imbeciles never vote again.

97 Hey now, fucktards is fucktards and some of them voted for teh W last time. The fact is that Idiocracy was truly a prophetic film. Whoever learns to corral the moron proles through manipulation of the popular media will rule. Ideology has little to do with winning elections any more--every election will be a homecoming queen race for the foreseeable future--the coolest one wins.

98

The problem with American education is not just the schools, it's the kids.  For all the parents who complain about the school system, I'd like to know how much time per day their kids actually spend studying.

Kids are in school for 6 hours a day, 7 days a week.  I would contend that you shouldn't even need that much at home studying.    At least not until some hard high school subjects like chemistry.  College kids go to school for a lot less time and learn more.  I find it difficult to put a lot of blame on kids, unless they are older high school aged.  The problem starts in the young grades and continues.  I'm not going to call some 10 year old kid lazy because he'd rather play football than study after school.  The main problem with schools is that people with no interest in education have too much power.  Leave it to the teachers and the parents, that's it.

99

The ignorance is absolutely staggering.  That one girl on the redistribution of wealth: "Redistribution of wealth? ... I think I like it." Seriously? What she doesn't know? ... Redististribution continues until everyone in the United States makes the same $33,500 or some number the deciders think is sufficient income for a family of four, weather you earn it or not ... What a douchebag!

100
Hey Ace,

Perhaps your Mencken banner needs to be refreshed to this quote:
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."

101 Well, at least it shows the media succeeded at their job.  These people responded exactly the way they've been programmed.  Especially with all the responses pointing to Palin as stupid or "evil."

Nice.

102 Salvucci- Also that NCLB has us teaching toward the future ditch diggers instead of the future leaders. I can tell you first hand that teachers are required to dumb everything down.

103 Sigh. My good and hard is in Iraq. Since we no longer have a democracy, does that mean he gets stranded?

104 So if by some miracle, the Republicans gain back power in 2010 and they cause shit to hit the fan. Does that mean, its really the dems fault because obama is President? This is why, I have no one iota of faith in our public school system. It makes me sick. Posted by: Ginger at November 17, 2008 10:46 PM (/JUXI)

Actually, if you'll recall the 90s, the media was VERY sure to make it known who controlled congress, and then promptly blame any issues that came up on them.

105 Il n'y a pas d'espoir.

106 #82 - Do forgive my fellow Canadians, but this is what you get from a country dominated by the Liberal party for most of the last 100 years (yes, I know, we had Mulroney in the 80s - but he was no conservative and he wrecked the conservative brand for another 20 years).  So guys, you better get busy and win your country back before the programming kicks in.  We've a conservative minority government in Canada right now (that is, a legislatively weak conservative led parliament that could be pushed into an election on any given appropriations vote) that is very timid and unable/unwilling to enact anything remotely contrary to received liberal wisdom save for a bit of fiscal restraint and some modest tax cuts.  It's going to take a long time to detoxify the folks up here who have been drinking long and hard the libleft koolaid. 

107

I am sure you can find simpletons on the right that voted for McCain who could not answer the same questions.

It's pretty scary though how the narrative was controlled by the media and the focus put on Palin's clothes when Frank and Dodd's criminal lack of oversight should have been the story. 

 

 

108 Sorry, I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes of the video---too damn depressing!

The statistics at that website, though, are definitely worth a look.

109 @7:  The whole Democratic strategy depends on people voters being ignorant about politics.

And Mickey Mouse voting--preferably six or seven times.

110 "It is truly dangerous to not have a free media."

It's so much worse than that.  We have a free media, but the MSM has willfully chosen to throw that freedom away by going all in on the Democrats.  In Soviet Russia, the government had to force them.  In America, no force was necessary.

That video really has me riled up, not merely for the rank ignorance, but for how these numbskulls were so quick to shackle all that crap to Governor Palin.  And the ones who then smirked with self-satisfaction or made derisive faces made me want to reach through my monitor and throttle them.

This is why I hate voter drives, easy registration and early voting.  It should be hard.  It should require some kind of sacrifice

111 I've seen slow zombies and fast zombies - but talking zombies? Who knew? The minimum voting age should be 35. Public education should be outlawed. If the mouse gets out of the maze before you do, you can't vote. If a school kid in Botswana knows more about American History than you do, you can't vote.

112 Over on the website they commissioned a scientific Zogby poll of Obama voters.  57.4% of them could NOT identify the Dem's as the party in control of congress.  A show of hands who thinks that's by accident?  Anyone?  Me neither.

Big E? Your job here is to make me laugh, not depressed.

113 Seriously, we all know that these MSM douchebags were in the tank for Obama, but don't any of them have consciences?  I would have a very hard time looking myself in the mirror if I'd helped spread this kind of ignorance.  How can guys like Chris Matthews have no shame?

Seriously, I don't get it.  Yes, I wanted John McCain to win, but if I'd accomplished that by convincing people that Barack Obama was a secret Muslim, I'd be ashamed of myself.

114 Now for the important question. Does the media consider this incredible ignorance of Obama voters to be a success or a failure?

115 well...the press did their jobs well.  Nothing touches Obama, all the shit hits Palin.

I'm not even much of a Palin fan, but I'm offended on her behalf, and I'm offended for women, too.

But you know...this is a pointless video and report, because the other half of the country will never see it.  Never read it.  Zogby?  Never heard of him. 

It's pretty disheartening.

116 As God is my witness, I'll never go hungry again!

117 So Victory in Iraq Day is to be celebrated Sat.Nov22nd while
Bush is still in office?

Donald Trump thinks al Qaeda will resume as soon as we leave. Al Qaeda seems to think we'll be pulling out of Iraq ASAP with Obama, reigniting hot spots. That was the reason we've been hanging around training Iraq's independence so long. Wars with no end are what the media made of McCain's willingness to stay as long as it took to defeat al Qaeda. At least our occupation in Japan and Germany after WWII followed formal victory ceremonies and celebrations.

118 Obots jamming the poll for the person of the year. Just like every poll that has come out, the trolls vote again and again. Person of the year and the only thing he has done so far is lie through his teeth. Even though TIme is in the tank it's sad that the Obots have to rig it to continue to fool the idiots that people think he is wonderful. Fuck them, when they are poor, eating dog food and living out of a cardboard box in the middle of December, it's those fake polls that will keep them warm and well fed

119 99

The ignorance is absolutely staggering.  That one girl on the redistribution of wealth: "Redistribution of wealth? ... I think I like it." Seriously? What she doesn't know? ... Redististribution continues until everyone in the United States makes the same $33,500 or some number the deciders think is sufficient income for a family of four, weather you earn it or not ... What a douchebag!

------

What she doesn't know is the meaning of the word "redistribution". If she was told "we are going to take your hard earned money from you and give it to someone else" she damn well wouldn't like it and she'd be SURE of not liking it. I'm sure when they take half her paycheck, she will find a dictionary...maybe

120

What the interviewer should have done when he asked the question about the redistribution of wealth is ask the girl how much money she had in her wallet. Then he should have told her to give it to him. If she had given it to him, it would have been a cheap lesson on the redistribution of wealth.

How stupid are people?

121 I don't make an angry face when I say Naomi Wolf (and, really, she's foul). So, grow up and find a legitimate reason to disagree with Palin. Just one. C'mon, you can do it... yes, you can!

Oh shish, have you ever heard the interview Prager did with her went she was all hysterical about how oppressed we are in this country? (I think it was October.) And they actually let this woman write books.

Anyway I had the same feeling when she did that. And I was like: You dipshit, you just demonstrated how stupid you are, what the fuck are you pulling faces at?

@ 87: I think he meant the stupidity factor. (I think.)

122

The voters have spoken. And what an incredibly stupid bunch of cumgurgling neanderthals they are.

Yes, I agree.

I work in a building full of the idiots, it was distressing to my well being. Not a single one could give me a good reason why I should vote for obama.

"He will give hope to America" one told me, she could not explain just how though.

123 we couldn't outwit these dolts? Too stupid to be persuaded, set up a blackboard in the pasture and teach the sheep algebra, all they want is silage.

124 Makes me want to quit work.  Today.  I'll be damned if I'm going to keep working 60 hours a week to support these idiots.

125

This really is a reflection on the media.

People know what the media told them and nothing more.

Idiots misinformed by idiots got Obama elected.

126 Wait til Obambi spreads the wealth and Daddy can't buy the girl in the Burberry scarf expensive designer accessories

127 I hate to say this but Sarah Palin may never recover nationally from this campaign. The narrative is written in peoples minds and I doubt it will ever change. Can the GOP just concede at least 50 million votes if she is on the ticket?

My husband totally disagrees with me and feels a good PR team can improve her brand.

I do not say this often but I hope he is right and I am wrong.

128 I hate to say it, but I don't think there is any way to know what voters will do now. Sarah Palin may be in bad shape, or she might do something that would make all the difference. One thing is obvious though. If conservatives want to win elections, future candidates are going to have to educate these idiots that are running around.

129

Quit whining. This stuff has always been a factor and always will be. It's just one of the challenges of running on the Right. The way you deal with this is by turning out your base in sufficient numbers to counteract it. It doesn't hurt if you're charismatic and enthusiastic enough to appeal to the REAL Independents as well (that is, people who vote on the basis of how the candidate makes them feel). McCain did neither, and THAT is why he lost.

If we run Conservative candidates who are bold and convincing, we'll win elections. It works every time it's tried.

130

Look, I 've been trying to tell republicans for YEARS... it is not enough to be right on the issues and smugly take the moral high ground - thinking that the public will recognize your merits and vote you in. Maybe that worked 50 years ago. It doesn't work today.

Today people get elected by being cagey, clever, and hiring good advertising and public relations staff.  Right or Wrong On The Issues doesn't make any difference, because in our culture, no one cares to spend the time to dig for the facts anymore. Very few people anyway -- not enough to swing an election.

Years ago, people actually heard the issues when the MSM presented them somewhat impartially, but that practice is gone.

So if you want to win....you know what you have to do.

McCain didn't do it.

131

#125

I agree completely.  I said it before and I'll say it again and again....the MSM is fully complicit in the outcome of this disasterous election.  Unfortunately, MOST people don't actually utilize their brains and go research candidates themselves.  MOST people rely on the friggin network news to spoon feed them whatever they want them to know.  Heck, I even saw a multitude of commercials where I live wherein Charter (my cable company) had a place where you could go and find out the "facts" on each candidate.  Yeah, I'm going to make my voting decision based on the facts as listed by Charter Cable Company!  If this is how people get their information, and all signs point to the affirmative, then the only thing that will ever change it is to change the MSM.  Gawd, I get SO mad just thinking about the power they have over these sorry, dumbass people who go no further than "Inside Edition" and the like to make such a criticial decision.

Also, I firmly, firmly believe...anyone getting government assistance by way of welfare, not paying taxes, should NOT be allowed to vote.  At best, bring on the 3/5ths rule again.  Of course, the Dems will never let that happen for obvious reasons.  Fuck 'em all.  They are flushing our great country right down the shithole.

132 Can you educate voters who do not want to be educated? They want to believe everything negative about Palin and the GOP. They are lazy and have no desire to be informed.

At first I believed all the negative press about Palin was the innate bias and herd mentality of the media. Not to get all conspiratorial, after watching that clip you come to another conclusion that the media took its orders from PR mastermind. They sure focused on the tabloid shit and it stuck

133

 I hate to say this but Sarah Palin may never recover nationally from this campaign. The narrative is written in peoples minds and I doubt it will ever change.

This is what I feared when Palin was nominated. And it's pretty much come to pass. I hate to say it, but there will be no Palin in 2012 or anytime thereafter. The narrative has been written that she's a dolt, and that won't change. If she has a future in national politics, it will likely be, at best, as a senator. But as a Presidential or VP candidate? Doubtful.

Although, what annoys me the most, is that Sarah Palin is likely much more intelligent than the Obama voters in that video (not exactly a big achievement) who are all convinced she's an idiot, all while they repeatedly answer questions wrong or respond "I don't know."

134

when a good chunk of the voting populace is getting its "news" from the Today show and fucking ET, its over

John Adams, Hamilton, et al are spinning in their graves.

We're well and truly fucked. This isnt going to get better- its going to get worse. The MSM/Liberal syndicate has seen what works and it is good. And it will work again.

135 The Right cannot abandon good, sound candidates because the MSM and infotainment mis-defines them first. There's just no end to the damage that can and will continue to be done if we accept a contrived meme without a fight. Dan Quayle was stigmatized and essentially destroyed for nothing. He deserved a much better fate, yet no rally to his defense was really developed in the immediate aftermath of his pseudo faux pas.

Conservative, even Republican, peers absolutely must refuse to accept conventional wisdom lest every single choice that would represent their views be destroyed. Had Huckabee won, he'd have been tagged a Bible-thumping snake-handler. Had Romney won, his Mormonism would have been trumped and he'd have been called a closet polygamist. Fred? Mentally slow hick who'd rather do TV and/or his wife.

Which candidate did they not really mock? McCain. Which was actually endorsed by the Left during the primaries? McCain. I wonder why that was? Instead, they went after a real threat... Palin.

Abandon conservatives due to your opponent's labels at your peril. You'll never see a conservative again.

136

I've only repeated numerous times in the previous 'how we lost' threads that it was not the present philosophy of the Republican party that caused us to lose but that it was that our opponents get to define us through the media.  Instead of beating ourselves up, we need to first learn how to beat the propaganda machine because it doesn't matter how we fix ourselves up internally, we will always be portrayed in the worse possible light.    

137 I remember commenting to someone this past summer that if Obama got elected it would be on the backs of a profoundly ignorant electorate - and that he was counting on it being so. I attribute this ignorance to the deliberate disassociation from the uniquely positive aspects of our own history, that has taken place in our schools over the past 30 years. This will take time to fix, so we had better get started. If we don't fix it our leaders will continue to be chosen by an ever increasing majority of whimsical fools.

138 polynikes,

You'll just have to keep saying it because look what we're up against. We have truly stupid people everywhere. Not just ignorant, but Grade A stupid. Weapons grade, even.

139 John Adams, Hamilton, et al are spinning in their graves.

I am sure Jefferson would want to be included in this grave spinning.

I've been darkly joking the last few days that it goes deeper than the end of GOP/Conservatism. We are witnessing the end of the enlightenment. We now have Jenny McCarthy making public health policy and The Today Show going off to the ends of the earth to do a global warming travelogue which they spent 2 hours never asking a critical question.

140 Give me control of the schools, colleges and media and I can turn this country any way you want. Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Capitalist, Federalist, Anti-Federalist, Monarchist, Anarchist, Communist, Fascist, Racist - you name it.

141

Tushar- dead on.

I imagine that you would be more efficient than the NEA. It took them a good 3 decades.

142 It is scary how little some people know when they vote (and that applies to both Obama and McCain supporters!). Not to know what party controls congress -- that's shockingly bad!

However, I do think it makes sense that these people interviewed would know more about Palin (who was on their ballot) than Barney Frank (who was not . . . unless they lived in his district). Most people probably don't know who Mitch McConnell or John Boehner are either.

143 Now that she's given the $150k wardrobe back, she can wear some tight-fitting, well-worn, blue jeans and really get to work kicking commie butt!

144 When Obama said 57 states, he was incorrect, but perhaps he was subliminally thinking of the 57 Arab states.  Isn't that interesting?


No its not. It's obvious he meant to say 47, because he hadn't been to 3 states yet.

People are ignorant on both sides of the line. Its fun to make fun of the libs/dems but its not like the cons/repubs aren't as guilty of being dumb fucks.
 

145

No its not. It's obvious he meant to say 47, because he hadn't been to 3 states yet.

People are ignorant on both sides of the line. Its fun to make fun of the libs/dems but its not like the cons/repubs aren't as guilty of being dumb fucks.
 

Posted by: Alex at November 18, 2008 10:17 AM (X1ydU)

It may be obvious but he didn't say it . Just like he didn't know Illinois was closer to Kentucky than Arkansas even though Illinois borders Arkansas. Just like he didn't know Arabic was not the language of Afghanistan. Just like he didn't know that Austwitz was not liberated by the Americans but by the Russians.  Whats obvious is that these things are reported different for Democrats and Republicans.

146 1. Just as a side note, Obama should be person of the year. First black president deserves that.

2. The MSM cause this problem, and the schools don't help. (I include Tina Fey and such in the MSM category.) I am not sure how to overcome this problem but it has to be done. For example, I will GUARANTEE you that most people polled would tell you that the Republicans opposed Civil Rights while the Democrats supported them.  This is the meme that has been sold, and yet its completely unfounded. This is why I am so angry that McCain did not take some time to explain that part of the ecnomic problem was caused by the government, and enabled by Democrats. This is important beyond the 2008 election, not only for electoral reasons, but just educational.

2a. I know everyone wants the Prez or McCain to use the bully pulpit, but I am not sure that really works. Long speeches don't work. Gotcha headlines do.

2b. Palin brand needs to be re-invented and re-launched. There are ways to do this, but unless this is successful, don't get Palinmania.

3. My wife is hungry.

147 You know how to gain power? Convince 51% voters that they are an oppressed minority. Promise them the confiscated wealth of the other 49%. Paint them as the victims of the man. Promise them free shit. You don't have to deliver everything. Once in power, use the power of the state to subvert future elections. Use intimidate tactics, media control and threats of 'outing' (as gay, conservative, Christian - whatever it takes) to silence and finish the opposition. Mercilessly disclose the private life of a plumber, for daring to ask a question that makes the One fumble. Make sure that no other plumber or common man dares to repeat that mistake.

Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao. Join their proud ranks, Obama.

148

No its not. It's obvious he meant to say 47, because he hadn't been to 3 states yet.

I agree that this was fairly obvious, so I never personally made a big deal about it or used it to make the assumption that Obama was stupid. But, imagine if Palin had said such a thing...

149 Hey, they don't know much, but at least what they know is wrong.

Wait a second...

But seriously, even if gross restrictions on voting are a bad idea, there has to be some way to weed out unutterable idiots who can't even get half of the basics right - and that's an awfully big voting bloc.

It's more that kind of insane that the election was almost certainly decided by people who couldn't even get an F on a test about current events.

150 There should be a simple test given to each person before they're allowed to vote. 3 branches of government, house and senate leaders, a simple 5 question test to make sure the voter understands what the role of government is. Pass and you vote on the real machine, fail and you get the machine that's not hooked up, that way everyone thinks they got to vote.

151 Harry@128:  If conservatives want to win elections, future candidates are going to have to educate these idiots that are running around.

Which is why if conservatives are to have any future at all in this country, we need more than anything else candidates who can EXPLAIN things.

People with the brains and ability to articulate of a Newt Gingrich or a...
Roger Hedgecock. Say, what ABOUT Roger Hedgecock? Ya know, REAGAN started out as a radio broadcaster.... I've never SEEN Roger Hedgecock. Is he easy on the eyes? (Only asking since that seems to be a prereq these days--and probably  a bigger chunk of why McCain lost than most of us want to admit)

152 Highlander@137:  I attribute this ignorance to the deliberate disassociation from the uniquely positive aspects of our own history, that has taken place in our schools over the past 30 years.

And who can we thank for that? Why, Bill Ayers, of course! Distinguished professor of education, and recently elected vice-president for curriculum in the American Education Research Association, the professional group for professors of education. Yes, that would be the people who are training our teachers.

See also "William Ayers' Scary Plans for Our Schools"
http://tinyurl.com/5nq53v

Dammit, his shit's already in our textbooks.

153

Illinois borders Arkansas

I meant Illinois borders Kentucky.  But of course that was obvious.

154 Tushar@147

Wow. You got it nailed.

155 Sarah Palin? Ewwww. She's stupid. Nice retarded baby. Hang on, I've got a text.

156

People are ignorant on both sides of the line. Its fun to make fun of the libs/dems but its not like the cons/repubs aren't as guilty of being dumb fucks.
~Alex

 

People ARE ignorant on both sides of the line.  Both sides have their nutters too. 

It's just that the Democrats want to run their ignorant nutters for office while the Republicans want to banish their's to the fringe where they belong.

157 Re@151:  What about Roger Hedgecock?...and is he easy on the eyes?

Googled and just answered my own questions. Looks-wise, he'll do. Better than Kerry or McCain (I know, I know), not as good as Romney. (Who in politics IS?)

Bio is catchy....former mayor of San Diego, county supervisor, city attorney, trial attorney, rock concert promoter, surfer and San Diego’s award-winning #1 radio talk host for almost 22 years.

Hmm....Lawyer, elected office, rock'n'roll, surfing.

AND--most importantly--best EXPLAINER I've heard other than Gingrich. Very solid, great sense of humor, holds his own with liberals! Smacks 'em down so good-humoredly, calmly, reasonably and courteously, they don't even know they just got smacked! Very persuasive, if you're listening in on it.

Hedgecock 2012?

158 Yeah Tushar gets it.   I talk like that all the time and people think I'm crazy and going to blow a gasket if I keep on thinking like that.  Better to blow a gasket than dutifully accept what is about to befall this great nation.

I have two types of left friends who voted for Obama: 1) Hope! Change! Gimmee!
2) THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MUST BE DESTROYED! (wears Che t-shirt as a badge of honor...*spit*)

Sarah #9, yes it was a bridge burner of an election. 
I.Will.Not.Submit.

159 These people weren't ignorant or stupid. And they DID pass the civics requirements needed to vote. They soaked up everything taught to them and everything said to them this election cycle. What possible reason would anyone- and this is not confined to politics- have to question EVERY teacher, EVERY newspaper, EVERY TV report , EVERY person they trust? Not only do they have to question and doubt their entire world and culture, they have to continue to dig until they find 'the other side', which consists of a cable news channel, two newspapers, old history books, and all of us aliens in or from red counties. That takes a rare person. We don't need someone to 'better articulate the message', we don't need to 'be more inclusive'. The message is in the Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights and is already inclusive. I'm not sure how to attack the system that's binding these people, but they are just as intelligent as you or me.

160 "1. Just as a side note, Obama should be person of the year. First black president deserves that"  Yeah, Hitler was Man of the Year for 1938 so it only follows.

161 Hedgecock 2012?

According to Wikipedia he was convicted for receiving illegal campaign contributions but it was overturned. The controversy ended his political career.

162 why don't you do the same thing on why people voted twice for bush.i think that would be very interesting. also how many people did you not use that had the right answers. the video is a joke and you know it. anything to make noise. why don't you use your energy to work for solutions .

163 This just proves who our enemy really is.

The MSM.  What if Ayers bombed news stations and paper outlets?  I bet we would have heard A LOT more conversations about him.  Being that he was against the all powerful media.  Seriously folks.  It's time we start pushing these buildings into the ocean.  Employees and all.  F*ck em.  The war is being fought, and this election has taken a descent chunk out of their credibility (such as it is).  They are going to be emboldened by THEIR VICTORY make no mistake about it.  THE fight needs to be taken to them.  This needs to end.  Journalism is not what it used to be.  It is a propaganda MACHINE.  When I was speaking to my own mother about the 'Fairness Doctrine', she accused me of being a radical in thinking that the left is going to kill talk radio.  Then I informed her of his Doucheness Harry Reid's words "Talk radio is like porn and it needs to be regulated".  She had NO IDEA he said that.  The media has it's hands around the neck of this great nation.  They. must. be. stopped.

164 Drudge has linked article how Soros has set up shop blocks from the whitehouse.  He is our new warlord. He bought the media (bailout) he bought McLame, he bought us.  He hates America, and he has brought it to its knees.  Why can't a spy get in there and bring it down.  We need a hero.

165 The poll has at least a few questions that aren't completely accurate, and taking advantage of negative statements about BHO that weren't completely accurate is one of the ways the MSM helped him win. The problem is not just with the MSM, it's with many of BHO's opponents who can't figure out how to do things in the right way. Details on all that at my name's link.

166

If you really want to winnow out irresponsible voters, just have a wealth provision;  limit the franchise to those with a minimum of a six-figure net worth (excluding primary residence).

 

I'm pretty sure that Obama carried that demographic. There are some fabulously stupid wealthy people in this country.

167 you want to find real stupid people find the ones that voted for bush twice.

168

This video shows how STUPID  the whole "everone shoud vote" thing is. One of the women in this video is visibly uncomfortable with the questions because she seems to recognise that she is uninformed.

We need a, "Don't Bother to Vote if You Don't Bother To Research" drive.

On the plus side, the one young woman says that she now realizes that she wasn't as informed as she had thought. Perhaps she will work harder at it next time.

PS Tushar, did you ever find out the reason for the beatings of the 3 Indian students?

169

The MSM is a huge part of this ignorance but face it, people everwhere have access to the same amount of cable channels and the internet as those of us that are informed. That they didn't get off their fat lazy ass to change the channel or surf the net anywhere but ebay is their own doing. I've got basic cable and the internet-the same as all these people on this tape probably have and I managed to find out about the issues and backgrounds of all the candidates.

MSM gets about 65% of the blame and the ingorant voters get about 35%.

 

170

I'm not sure how to attack the system that's binding these people, but they are just as intelligent as you or me.

I'm quite sure you're half right about that.

Seriously, though, I doubt all of them are dumb. Most are just uninformed. But come on, at least a couple of them are morons. Especially the two white girls.

171 This whole film has been pretty much debunked:
http://tinyurl.com/6objfx

172

This whole film has been pretty much debunked:

I don't know that that debunks it, so much as questions it. Debunking it would be proving that all the people in it were actors or something. Instead, the site you link to doesn't exactly bring up any additional thoughts that I hadn't already considered upon initially watching it. Yes, the questions are unfair. Yes, it's biased. But nonetheless, the Obama supporters really couldn't answer many questions right, except the trivial ones about Palin. Hell, they couldn't even get the "Who controls Congress?" question right, which is a fair question. Personally, I don't think the vidoe proves all that much (although it's still fun to make fun of Obama supporters). I said before the election that most Americans have no idea who controls Congress and I wasn't just referring to Obama supporters.

Overall, though, I think the video simply serves as a reminder that, most of the time, voters really don't vote on such high-minded concepts as knowledge and understand of the issues. Overall, people just vote for whoever they subjectively like better. Which is why I think encouraging more people to vote is a bad idea. They essentially disenfrachise the minority of us who pay attention and actually have studied and thought about various issues. It's not that I think uninformed people should be banned from voting, just not encouraged to do so (and which party is more responsible for encouraging such people to vote?).

173 Does it really matter at this point?  Are we really going to spend the next four years figuring out why and how unfair the Republican loss was?  We al saw it coming, it wasn't a huge surprise.  The illuminati left has come into power, they dominate the capitol, and we have four years to figure out how to get it back.

174 #163 that was upchuck schumer not reid with the porn/talk radio analogy

175 Its not the ignorance that bothers me.  Its the complete lack of shame they have about being dumbasses that is infuriating.  This is what the liberal schooling 'self esteem' bullshit has done to people.  Feel good about being an idiot! Its okay, we won't judge! 

I used to think that stuff was funny when I was in school, I'm not laughing now though.  The lack of personal responsibility is going to destroy this country.

176

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

 

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Strength to Love, 1963

US Black civil rights leader & clergyman (1929-196

177 i have my post removed because i said if you want to talk to realy stupid people talk to the people who voted for bush twice . i stating a fact

178 ace did you vote for bush twice?

179 ha ha ha you bush lover  ace you are a joke i guess you can put your own shit on the board  are you going to delect your bull

180

ace the truth hurts you sound like a closet   repressed homosexual  its ok god loves all his children.

181 ace maybe tom folly   looking for a date

182

ace your a litle fagot

183 ace   take off the negative stuff you posted using my name and i will not post anything else  on your sight. this kind of negative stuff is not what i want to do .we need dialogue to reach solutions for america. 

184

Dialogue:

1967 Abortions are legalized (started) in the United States.

1961 Momma Barry would have had an abortion if it were legal (in Hawaii in 1961). Baby Barry grows up to become President of the US (under what most rich liberals would call less than ideal conditions). Why are the Democrats really the "abortion on demand party"? That's why they hated Sarah Palin with so much passion. It's troubling when you know that you've done something wrong but you want everybody to condone what you've done.

I'm not a one issue voter but the voracity at which the media went after Palin is very interesting.

185   So they found some democrats who are idiots. Guarantee anyone could find the same number of idiot republicans.

186

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187 This country is so screwed right now. The dumbocrats need to keep the American people dependent on them so they can "fix" everything. The dumbs thrive on problems but they never fix anything. Obama is an illegal alien anyway who should be arrested and deported back to Africa with his illegal alien aunt.

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