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They might as well.  I lived in Santa Monica for 4 years, up until just last year when I left.  The coastal ocean there is so polluted already I can't imagine why they wouldn't go ahead and drill.   It might even lower the price of gas a bit while yer waiting in rush hour traffic on the 405 inhaling the smog.

2 Oh great. More bashing of poor California.

Californiphobe!

 

3 What the heck?

Did they understand the questions?

Silly me, of course not.  But how did they misunderstand the question this badly?

Ok, still silly.  But they usually get the concept of "oil is bad" across pretty clearly, if surrounded by incoherent drivel.

I mean even the exported Californians here in Colorado have gotten Senator Salazar to ban (nationwide, not just here) Oil Shale development... how could they go that wrong back home.

Unless they're exporting the stupidest ones here.  Damn, they're craftier than I thought...

4 Shit, we been offshore drillin' here for decades.  Ever been to Santa Barbara?  Ventura?  Anyhow, like everything else about 'those crazy Californians', the weirdness came from y'all, not from the natives.  You started exporting your freaks in the 60's, and we've had to live with them.  And you call them Californians...

5

I know it's hard to imagine about some Californians. But, here in Kern County we bitterly cling to our Oil, Gas, and CCW's. Well that and growing food, and being good stewards of the environment.

6 Obviously, they didn't give the survey in Spanish, and 59% of California couldn't understand it.

7 Some of you long-time morons know I'm an editorial writer now, and I just want you all to know I'm doing my part.

8 Do a search for "oil seep". Oil pollution in California has nothing to do with drilling. Oil is pouring into the ocean at an increadible rate. Courtesy of Earth Mother Gaia.

9 I'm a native Californian myself. Born in Santa Monica, grew up around LA, went to school in Santa Barbara.

A couple of points. First, everyone remembers the horrible ecological catastrophe that was the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969. Fact is, though, there's a town just a bit south of there called Carpinteria....note the second paragraph in the Wikipedia entry....it was called Carpinteria by the Spanish when they showed up because of the use of natural oil seepage in the area.

And I remember driving up the coast from Ventura to SB along highway 101. The oil rigs were like tiny Christmas trees out in the water. I thought they looked quite festive, actually. I had heard about people going out on dive trips to the platforms and describing amazing oases of life around the modernistic sculpture of the platform's piers.

By the time I got SCUBA certified, many of the platforms were gone. I've never been able to dive one. And the lights out on the water are gone, too. And I'm paying four-and-a-half-freakin'-dollars for gas when I live in an oil-producing state. I blame it on the tree-hugging anti-human Hobbesian morons who keep trying to revert society back to the Neanderthal despite having no worthwhile skills in that context.

For myself, I'd love to see California's beauty enjoyed; her resources utilized; her fertility productive; and her uniqueness preserved. I don't see old-growth redwood giants or Bristlecone Pines logged for lumber, but I don't understand preservationists getting into a huff about timber younger than their grandfather. I would expect all due care near the elephant seal rookery at Ano Nuevo, but I would support responsible drilling all along the California coast.

10 I want to see drill rigs right on the edge of Barbara Streislands property.

A forest of them.

11 Man oh man looks like the hippies in Big Sur and Santa Cruz are going to have to get naked climb a tree in protest.
I live in the Monetey Peninsula area some folks refer to L.A. as Smell-A.

12 Every year after storms tar balls wash up on shore and every year "environMENTALists" demand to know who is at fault and every year it turns out to be natural seepage.

"Aerial, surface, and underwater investigations reveal that natural seeps off Coal Oil Point, California, introduce about 50 to 70 barrels (approximately 8,000 to 11,000 liters) of oil per day into the Santa Barbara Channel. The resulting slicks are several hundred meters wide and are of the order of 10^-5 centimeters thick; tarry masses within these slicks frequently wash ashore."

And that is just at Coal Oil Point.  Beach erosion is currently exposing natural seeps on the shoreline and storms bring tarballs from far offshore onto the beach as far North as Half Moon Bay near San Francisco.

I just got a poll in the mail from my Congressman.  I told him to drill.

13 Oh, and there are places in California where you can literally find crude oil running down the side of the road on hot days from natural seeps.

14 Natural seepage is even worse in the Gulf of Mexico:

"Assuming the seep scales are proportional to the surface area, a reasonable seep rate for the entire Gulf is about double the northern Gulf estimate, giving a total Gulf of Mexico seep rate of about 140,000 tonnes per year (ranging from 80,000 to 200,000 tonnes per year)."

Also, more on Coal Oil Point:

"They concluded that Coal Oil Point seeps about 7,800 to 8,900 tonnes of oil per year. To account for seeps likely to be present elsewhere in the Santa Barbara Channel and the offshore Santa Maria and Santa Monica Basins, the total oil seepage offshore southern California is now estimated to be about twice the seepage at Coal Oil Point, or about 17,000 tonnes annually, rounded to one significant figure of 20,000 tonnes of oil per year. This estimate is large but is still less than the upper estimate of Fischer (197 of 35,000 tonnes per year."

For North America:

"Tables 2-5 through 2-9 summarize the estimates of the yearly amounts of oil seepage occurring offshore from North America. The total seepage is 160,000 tonnes per year."

For global seepage:

"the annual global oil seepage rate is now estimated to be between 200,000 and 2,000,000 tonnes (60 and 600 million gallons). The ‘best estimate’ of 600,000 tonnes (180 million gallons), within this range, comes from the acceptance of the original estimates of Wilson et al. (1973, 1974), resulting from a new appreciation for the magnitude of the natural seepage of crude oil, particularly in the Gulf of Mexico."

Total amount of man made spillage?  For the decade 1990 to 1999 the total known global spillage is 556.2 tons.  Yup, that's all ... under 600 tons.  The entire man made oil spillage for the entire decade of the 1990's is just about equal to one month's natural seepage in Southern California.

15 oops, my bad, that 600 tons is for spillage from all platforms in offshore US waters.  Still a months seepage from So Cal.

16 Okay, I know there is supposed to be a new site, with a revised logo. I went there via a link, but how do I get there normally? Somebody help.

17 A personal anecdote from a friend:

"When my mom was a kid (in the 1920's) she used to spend summers in Santa Barbara with her uncle and aunt. She said the beaches were covered with oil. Once they started drilling for oil off Santa Barbara, the beaches cleaned up."

18 Unfortunately, 79% of Californians think that offshore drilling means having sex in a boat.

59% of them approve of that.  The other 20% don't own a boat.

19

Crosspatch, I was thinking the same thing. Where I grew up in Thousand Oaks, tot he extent that I ever grew up, there were seepage points all along the hiking trails that followed the Conejo Creek. I noted more of the same in parkland near the Santa Clarita area where I now live. One was so active we were making 'Beverly Hillbillies' jokes.

Can;t we get rid of this nasty stuff and make some money along the way?

 

20

Careful what you wish for.   The environmental nutjobs will learn that lesson well. 

 

They wanted high gas to cut CO2, turn America into cave dwellers.  Now they got the high gas and it looks like their entire movement of 30 years is ready to fall apart.  

 

the environmental wackjobs need to learn that people only care about the environment when they are wealthy and have extra money.  

when you are poor the environment comes in a distant 5th on the ladder.   Food, housing, energy, defense, entertainment all come before the "environment"

 

21 I'm with #3, SurveyUSA must have said 'offshore driiilling' in a lewd and lascivious manner.

22 Offshore drilling will never happen. That oil is buried under thousands of feet of lawsuits, and there it shall remain, forever entombed.

23

We lived in California for 2 years in the early '70's and I never thought of this until now.  We used to go to the beaches between Half Moon Bay and Santa Cruz.  We were always picking tar off of ourselves (it was all over our feet) for days.  It has never been like that on any Gulf beach I've been on.  What, no oil in the Gulf of Mexico?  Those idiot environmentalists have been blaming CA beach tar on platforms?

Oh yeah, turns out the "lost tribe" found recently in the Amazon wasn't so lost after all.  Turns out they've been known about since 1910 and it was all a hoax to stop logging by...enviromentalists.  These people have to be stopped.

24 We don't care...it's all Californication..

25 Obama will still take CA by double digits

26 Clearly, getting a half black dude elected to make the French happy is more important than the price of gas

27

our goofiest minority, Californian-Americans.

The residents of Seattle respectfully disagree.

28 Head over to Slublog and give him props for having a second kid.

29 Now, if California only had a Republican governor...

30

Harness the Seeps!

 

31 Amazing what +$4.60 a gallon will do to a person's belief and support of "no more drilling". Beats waiting around for all the 'emerging technologies' to emerge.

32 "These are not the Californians that I knew..." - BHO

33 Next, you'll tell me that 21% of athiests believe in God: http://http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/23/new-pew-survey-21-of-atheists-believe-in-god/

34

God damn.

Ppl iz dum.

35 Amazing what +$4.60 a gallon will do to a person's belief and support of "no more drilling".

It's well over due. The environmentalists are out of control.  All they do is obstruct without any reason but that they can. They need a real beat down.

36

Come and listen to a story about a man named Tool   
A poor struggling actor, barely kept his tank full,
Then one day he was shopping for some food,
And up through the ground came a seeping crude.

Oil that is, black gold, other state's tea.

Well the first thing you know ol' Tools brain isn't just air,
Kinfolk said Tool we must drill away there
Said Californy is the place we ought to look
So they loaded up the trucks and moved to Beverly.

Hills, that is.Oil pools, moving tars.

The Beverly Hypocrits!

37

Obama spokesman Bill Burton on October 24, 2007: “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”

Barack Obama, June 20, 2008: “Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program.”

All Barack Obama statements come with an expiration date. All of them.

Geraghty, NRO today

If you believe in this asshole, you are unequivocally, an asshole

38 How's that "liberals don't like drilling" strawman working for you?

39

Kinda puts a new face on the saying, "A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged."

The updated version might be, "A consevative is a liberal who has been to the gas station."

40

How's that "liberals don't like drilling" strawman working for you?

I don't see a strawman. Because I still don't see wells.

41

Enviromentalist stretching the truth again:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/amazon

42

"Next, you'll tell me that 21% of athiests believe in God"

Yes:  Gaia

43 I saw the Pam Anderson Tommy Lee video.  Does that constitute off shore drilling.  Tommy's packing quite the rig.

44 They might as well.  I lived in Santa Monica for 4 years, up until just last year when I left.  The coastal ocean there is so polluted already I can't imagine why they wouldn't go ahead and drill.   It might even lower the price of gas a bit while yer waiting in rush hour traffic on the 405 inhaling the smog.

I don't know when you lived here in California, but it hasn't been like that for a long time.  Back in the 70s there was a smog problem, but that is all but gone now.  The reason the air isn't crystal clear is because of a marine layer that usually covers the LA basin. 

And as far as pollution in the water, again, I don't know what you mean by that.  Its not like Hawaii where the water is crystal clear -- but that is because of the region, not the pollution.  More algae, more sand that gets kicked up, etc. 

People always say crap like this about LA because its the "conventional wisdom" of those who don't live here.

45 Drill drill drill.

As a native Californian I give my permission.

As a current resident of Utah I give my permission to pursue all that shale we have in the eastern part of the state.

so what are you waiting for?

46 24: Harness the Seeps!

They do for the biggest ones.  Since the oil companies are not allowed to drill, they put these inverted cones on the sea bed over the seeps to collect the oil. But not all of them seep enough to make that worth while. Drilling would further reduce the seepage and help get more oil OUT of the water.

47 I support drilling a majority of Californians.

48 Even the hobos?

49

So much for leadership in Congress.   there are now 9 different bils in congress to address speculation.  all basically does the same thing nationalize the futures market.  

 

All these bills will do is push oil trading into other exchanges, not regulated by the USA and thus our enemies will be more likely to raise the price of oil against us. 

 

Simply raise margin requirments this will stop some of the speculation.   Anything more will raise prices not lower them

 

Oh yeah no bills for more drilling from the dems yet.   My question is what happens to BHO after the speculation bills pass and oil continues up to $200/bll?

Can you say massive defeat/landslide at the polls.

 

50 Re: Coal Oil Point. Check out GoogleEarth, you can see the huge oilslicks off the coast.

Every few years like clockwork, the envirowhackjobs here at UCSB start whining about all the oil on the beaches, blaming the local oil drilling companies. It usually takes a couple of months for the local news to start realizing "oh yeah, oil seeps....".

51 OT

Seinfeld using hobo metaphors in Carlin eulogy.

52 When it gets to the point where you have to choose between a pedicure and a full gas tank, it's time to drill because only a nobody walks in L.A.

53 Why do the comments change numbers? Mine was 37 before.  Is it related to people still commenting at the old site?

54

How's that "liberals don't like drilling" strawman working for you?

How's that drive-by trolling working out for you?

55 baldilocks, yeah.  They get copied over here, but a little out of sync since not in realt time.

56 I emailed our illustrious "Governorator"  and pointed out it was a tad bit hypocritical of him to regularly fly on his private jet from Sacrament to LA on Friday night and back again on Monday morning, while promising to fight drilling to the death.

I got back a canned email fully worthy of Pelosi, that mumbled about "preserving scenic beauty"  (that would be the view of Malibu elites) and complete blather about "new technologies" coming to the rescue.  That would be new technologies that won't be available for 20 - 30 years, and that the Dems won't let anyone use anyway unless it's absolute magic.

Short version; Ahnold to the the little people:  "Screw you".

Years ago, I read a definition of a Sierra Club member as someone who was personally offended that there was more to electricity than the socket in the wall.   Not much has changed.

57 I'm faintly hopefully that we'll start seeing the difference between enviornmentalism and conservationism.  I would never call myself an environmentalist because of the insane overtones of all humanity bad.  But I do believe in being a good steward of the Earth.  That means that, yes, drill but do so in a responsible manner.  As someone previously noted, I don't want to see the redwoods felled but I have no problem with logging to clear out the underbrush.  As I understand it, that will actually make for healthier forests and cut down on the extent of wildfires since the underbrush won't be available for fuel.

For me, the backlash comes from the refusal of the hardcore environmentalists to engage in any kind of balancing.  Pollution bad, m'kay?  But blocking nuclear power for 30 years leads to worse pollution and worse outcomes.  So if people are ready to grow up and face the fact that life is full of choices, then that's great.

Of course then I wake up and remember people are slack jawed idiots who think that 8% profit margins constitute a windfall.

58

Well, since environmentalists are not terribly bright or scientifically literate maybe we can convince them that drilling is a good way to prevent the natural seepage of oil into the ocean by lessening the pressure beneath the surface.  Or we could argue that the naturally occurring, oil eating bacteria in the ocean are about to become extinct so we need to create tiny, isolated ecosystems called oil wells to feed them.

Hey, if they can make sh#t up then why can't we?

59 On that 8% windfall? I don't recall people bitching when their 401Ks were getting better than 9%. Can we tax them?

60 alexthechick at June 24, 2008 11:12 AM
Sorry Alex, but the "environmental" movement hasn't been about the environment for 30 years.

...but I don't understand preservationists getting into a huff...
cthulhu at June 23, 2008 07:57 PM

Thank you very much for using the correct term,
these people should never be called Environmentalists.

61

GRC at June 24, 2008

 

Wrote my congressman and told him to tell the environmentalists to sit down and shut up.  

 

Not sure if it will do any good.  But  we have to make our reps aware that the environmentalists have gotten out of control.

 

 

62 Wow, understanding catches up to California. There is hope for the future after all! Now if we can get the Green Commie city council of Cincinnati to wake up and support more drilling & refining instead of forcibly relocating citizens to be near their jobs, something good might happen in a few years.

63 the oil companies should put a $5.00 a gallon dumb ass tax on every gallon of gas sold in California. 

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