1 Third, the idea that the Sun has a more important role on climate than was previously thought is gaining attention.

Wow really? You mean that gigantically huge fucking ball of fire throwing off untold gazillions of BTUs per  second and which makes life even possible on Earth at all might have an important role  on the temperature of the planet? Really?

Fucking assholes, get back to me when you admit Pluto is a friggin planet.
Till then find some more damn oil and cure cancer.

2

Third, the idea that the Sun has a more important role on climate than was previously thought is gaining attention.

You mean it's like... hot, or something?

3 So is fat Al going to give up his Oscar and Nobel prize and admit that he was wrong??? Anyway, my old boss used to say "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Eventually, every a-hole gets one." In this case, he got two. Seems fitting....

4 I'm going to have so much fun with this for a good, oh, 30 years. I've taken so much shit for being a non-believer. 

5

What the hell is this bullshit?

What are you gonna try to sell me on next, that humidity levels have an important role in precipitation?

6 Gore, not my beloved ex-boss.

7 But then it'll be on to the next fucking thing.

8 Pay no attention to the colossal fiery orb behind the curtain.

9 Bah, there goes Jamil Hussein posting for me again...

10 A smart way to go through life is to believe the opposite of what Weird Al claims is true.

11 The most telling point is that no scientist or any of their vaunted computer models forecast a 10-year cooling trend.

AGW got traction because it suited the purposes of enviro-nazis, and people after government money.

12 lalalalalala Can't hear you lalalalalala

13 This is why about 4-5 years ago they replaced "global warming" with "global climate change" in their mantra.

14

A smart way to go through life is to believe the opposite of what Weird Al claims is true.

I'm sorry, but I believe Weird Al when he says he's White and Nerdy.

15

Makes me wonder if John McCain is going to get the hint that global warming is a hoax supporting a cult.

16 I'm glad to see this stuff get covered for the umpteenth time, but none of the info is new.

It's sad that so many scientists demand that reality conform with their grant action.

17

Third, the idea that the Sun has a more important role on climate than was previously thought is gaining attention.

So when do we go back to worshipping the Sun God instead of the Earth God? Because I don't want any more kidney stones.

18
Can we all please just go back to blaming shit on a pantheon of Gods?

At least we got the Illiad and the Odyssey out of that.

19 Many of these scientists are like Winston in Ghostbusters.  "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say".  And since the Democrats have been writing the paychecks...

20 YOU LEAVE WINSTON ALONE!

21 Expect an avalanche of coverage of this in the MSM.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
oooh, shit, sorry...

22

Oh no…I’m melting, melting…

23 [ If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time.]

He says that like it's a bad thing.

24 Obama turned back global warming - with his charming smile!

25

One theory I have on things like this is that as soon as there's a TV show about it, the fad is on its way out.

Take house flipping for instance. The real estate market was doomed the second Flip This House, Flip That House, etc. hit the airwaves.

So I was all smiles when I saw the new "Green" network - not just a show, a whole damned network - debut a few weeks ago.

The shark has officially been jumped, by a skier towed behind a CO2-spewing motorboat, no less.

26

Three core DEM beliefs debunked.

Global Warming is a hoax

Obama is an idiot

An W was right.

27 Don't get too excited, Global Warming is just being replaced by Climate Change™.

28

>>Third, the idea that the Sun has a more important role on climate than was previously thought is gaining attention.

This calls for a "Phenomenon too obvious to be noticed by climate scientists" competition.

The idea that rain causes more wetness than previously thought is gaining attention.

29 "APS is an organization of physicists, not atmospheric scientists, but it is nice to see them having the debate." What do you think atmospheric science is if not physics? Where does modeling science come from? Atmospheric science is but a small derivative speciality field applying methods and principle of primarily physics and secondarily chemistry. If physicists aren't on board, the who "theory" has a problem.

30 There must be global warming. It's like 90 degrees out!

31 Shit.

32 That issue of the APS had a peer-reviewed article that examined the flaws in the weather predicting software and climate modeling computers used by various AGW advocates. For example:

• The IPCC's 2007 climate summary overstated CO2's impact on temperature by 500-2000%;
• CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;
• Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;
• The IPCC's values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;
• The IPCC's values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;
• "Global warming" halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;
• Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;
• The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists' draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;
• It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;
• Mars, Jupiter, Neptune's largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;
• In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.

Some of this is old news to any open minded and scientifically learned reader, but some of it will shock even those folks.

The hilarious thing? The same issue has an article all about how the global warming will kill us all and several articles about how those stupid religious types cling to their faith in the face of all facts and data. I thought that was delicious in its irony.

33 I believe the only reason we're in a cooling period is as a result to the icy cold demeanor of American women.  Their collective frost is enough to snuff out the sun.

34

My favorite part? Where he actually realizes that there's something to that whole 'cause and effect' concept the wingnuts are always carrying on about.

The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.

And the funniest part? If I had met this guy 2 years ago he would have called me names and accused me of "denying the science".

Well, the dunce cap is on the other pointy head now, isn't it?

35 Lincoln, I believe you are onto something!

As the husband of said type of American Woman, I can testify to the fact that we need no air conditioning, as our house always feels like it's almost at freezing temperature.

Perhaps this renewable type of passive-aggressive energy can be harassed!

36

"Expert forecasts that have called for the sun to be regularly active by now have been falsified by nature" -yecch! Forecasts don't "call for" anything. They "predict", "project" or, duh, "forecast".

This prose is calling for an editor.

37 I also really like it when the GW clowns refuse to let anyone else look at their data. That's real science.

38

That was an interesting little freudian slip there RogerC.

heh

39 Can you guys help me?........ I sold my nasty old gasoline burning car to buy one of the new solar or wind powered versions........ Thing is, I can't find a dealership in my area for either a wind or solar powered car......... I'm sure I'm simply overlooking something obvious, only I can't figure out what it is!.......... Please help me if you can. I need to get to work on Monday and no longer have the means to get there........ Thanks guys. I'm sure come Monday I'll be stylin' in my new solar or wind powered car.

40 I believe the only reason we're in a cooling period is as a result to the icy cold demeanor of American women.  Their collective frost is enough to snuff out the sun.

So, you had a date recently that did not go well?

41

"Expert forecasts that have called for the sun to be regularly active by now have been falsified by nature" -yecch! Forecasts don't "call for" anything. They "predict", "project" or, duh, "forecast".

15. To indicate or characterize accurately in advance; predict: It is often difficult to call the outcome of an election. See synonyms at predict.

(You're welcome.)

42 • It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;

Oh Bullshit.

43

Looks like the Goracle's "consensus" is going bye bye.  

 

 If only we could find Manbearpig and prove that he exists.

44

"I also really like it when the GW clowns refuse to let anyone else look at their data. That's real science."

Ptolemy: "why do you need to see my data Mr Copernicus, the science is settled.  The church voted on it and everything..."

45

Victor L. Simpson, AP writer, would translate Pope Benedict's address to Australians given in English into English for mass consumption:

"Some of you come from island nations whose very existence is threatened by rising water levels, others from nations suffering the effects of devastating drought," the pope said, referring to global warming. --See Breitbart News for Simpson's "Green Pope" story.

Islands and beach front mainlands ARE threatened by hurricanes and tsunamis and floods, aka "rising water levels" that are a natural course of events. Africa and the desert lands have ALWAYS been succeptible to drought. Check out Father Abraham's travels, and Joseph's reunion in Egypt due to drought and traveling for food to stay alive.

The MSM in their floundering for substance are grasping at straws as they drown in their own nincompoop cesspool of Gorian Ignorance. That they presume to be edified in speech by the Pope addressing love for God's creation, aka "earth" and its inhabitants, is ironic since they paraded him as a Nazi has-been when first he ascended to his current station as Vicor of  Christ.

Jesus was known to quell storms at sea, and his death was marked by an earthquake. There's more to the Pope's stance with respect for nature than Breitbart would profess. That they presume to explicate the Pope's words is sick. Just report what he says, and let the readers think for themselves.

46

Some of you come from island nations whose very existence is threatened by rising water levels, others from nations suffering the effects of devastating drought," the pope said, referring to global warming.

Sam Kinison - "You live in fuckin' desert!... see this? this is sand...."

 

47

Well, this fucking guy's off my Christmas Card list!

48 Pluto isn't a planet, and if we hear any more of that kind of lip from you morons, we're gonna come down there and kick your asteroids.

49 Good, maybe now that stiff fuck Gore and his minions will quit bugging the living shit out of us.

50

 Good, maybe now that stiff fuck Gore and his minions will quit bugging the living shit out of us.

Don't hold your breath.  Gore just gave a speech, the first of what will be many over the coming weeks, challenging the US to get off of oil in 10 years.  He's using high oil prices to bolster his claim that oil is so yesterday and we need alternative energy now!

51 Aside from the mountain of contradictory scientific data, the theory was just too convenient. What was too convenient was how every policy prescription of the Left for the last century just happened to be the ideal solution to Global Climate Warming Change.

52 Good news!  Yesterday I got approached by someone wearing a Greenpeace shirt carrying a clipboard and asked me to talk about global warming.  I told him "You are asking the wrong person because I don't believe it exists."  He looked at me like I was a heretic but to his credit, he just backed slowly away....

53 Denise, I love messing with the global warming clipboard people at the Santa Monica Promenade. It always gives me a pick-me-up outside Barnes and Noble.

54

Short take on solar flux (from a layman):

When the sun's magnetic field is weaker, more cosmic rays hit the earth's atmosphere, causing more clouds--causing a cooling trend.

The Danes, of all people, are on the cutting edge of this line of research, which unlike the AGW crowd recognizes that in the grand scheme of it all, humans are pretty puny.

The forehead smacking portion of all this is that the 20th century was a very active solar time with less cosmic radiation hitting the planet therefore less clouds and things got warmer.  The carbon footprint of bearmanpig has NO bearing on planetary climate. 

55 I suspect that we'll look back on this year as the tipping point when the theory of anthropogenic global warming begins to go the way of the dodo.

What an interesting metaphor you chose.

Fun excercise.  Post other scientific concepts popularly held you also believe to be false.  That's what I thought.  Idiot.

56 A smart way to go through life is to believe the opposite of what Weird Al claims is true.

Starting with the name of Goofy Al's movie.  It isn't An Inconvenient Truth.  It is a convenient lie.

57 Ahh, crap! C'mon people. Don't leave now! I'm thisclose to stuffing my mattress full of carbon credit receipts.

Evans, APS, et al. are ruining a perfectly good scam.

58 Hey, frito--care to address the f'in point here?  Especially the role of the STAR in the whole equation.  Or is that, you know, INCONVENIENT?  Irony, thy name is lefty.

59 frito, if you think I referenced the dodo unintentionally, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. See also my "incidental" use of the word "convenient" in the second sentence, my use of the phrase "changeable as the weather" in the second paragraph, etc.

60 Frito is our one legged man in this ass kicking contest.

61
I'm going to be the one dissenting voice here (or slightly dissenting).  None of you morons (and I say that with great affection, considering myself an avowed AoS moron myself) would have paid a nanosecond's attention to this person until he suddenly saw the light and agreed with you.  Peer review means nothing to you until a journal article questioning the prevailing climate change sensitivity parameter appears (see RWN a few days ago), and suddenly the fact that it's peer reviewed means it's straight from God's mouth.  Perhaps scientists have got global warming all wrong, fine.  The vast majority of these men and women are researchers who don't give a fuck about the politics or what you think, it's semi langrangian advection schemes that give them big chubbies (and the female equivalent).  I do climate modelling for a living, and even if we determine with certainty that it's "the sun wot did it" I know my work (in improving the modelling the atmosphere) won't be in vain.  Flame away, morons.  I love you all anyway.

62

See, we need to plant trees in third world countries, think they are "cleaning up the atmosphere" and call them carbon credits to make us feel all nice and exalted inside.

It's how we were meant to live.

63 Since the temperature has dropped, how long before AGW irreversibly destroys our climate to normal temperatures?

64 Frito needs to get lay"ed" so its brain works again.

65 Why are you bothering? Because you're certain that AGW is a fact and think anyone who says otherwise is an unscientific cretin, against all evidence.

This article supports and confirms information we already had and knew, it's not the proof we've been waiting for, it's a well-presented case of information, thoughts, and data we already knew most of.

Bother reading it at all, did you?

The vast majority of these men and women are researchers who don't give a fuck about the politics

I can tell you don't work much with other scientists if you say this. They care about politics as much as the next guy, being a scientist doesn't magically make you apolitical or above the fray, it doesn't suddenly erase your agendas and feelings about issues. Scientists are not noble gods who stride among lesser men, unconcerned with the petty aspects of life as they flawlessly engage in unbiased and objective work. They're like everyone else, and while the money mounds up by the dumptruck full for one side of this issue, they're just as willing to lie, bend the facts, and work for activist causes as anyone else. Just ask the director of NASA.

66

Frito needs to get lay"ed" so its brain works again.

Oh, leave the brainless little syphilitic turd alone.  Seriously, maybe he's got the attention span of a fruitfly and about as much intelligence, but he is good for a laugh now and again. 

He certainly represents his side of the political aisle with all the dignity and decorum that we have come to expect from those noble creatures on the left.

67

#40

Post other scientific concepts popularly held you also believe to be false. That's what I thought.  Idiot. -Flato

1. The Earth is the center of the universe

2. Disease can be cured by blood-letting.

3. Oil is composed of dinosaurs et al.

4. Pluto is/is not a planet

5. Dieting makes you thinner.

6. The sound barrier is impenetrable.

What you thought was stoopit. Herd-science is nearly always wrong, you cow.

Vim Toot!

 

 

 

68 Ann is right.  Global warming is a physics issue--and sophomore level at that.  "Atmospheric Science" is field more like "political science" or  "Library science".

The real physics community has been very cautious with the whole AGW thing.  A good physicist really doesn't believe something unless they can work it out themselves, from first principals--which is why so many remain skeptical.

69 The "climate" is a ridiculously complicated system involving so many diverse variables that I find it astounding that people even dared to make any conclusions at all.  It was definitely a case of people wanting it to be true.  Even the lynchpin -- CO2 is a greenhouse gas -- is beside the point.  You don't study relativistic effects to figure out where a cannonball is going to land.  It doesn't play enough of a role.

Physics is very good at dealing with things that can be made very simple.  The punchline to every good physics joke is "Assume a spherical cow."

70

"They're like everyone else, and while the money mounds up by the dumptruck full for one side of this issue, they're just as willing to lie, bend the facts, and work for activist causes as anyone else. Just ask the director of NASA."

+1

71
The problem is that we are applying the scientific method. We don't need that because we have to save the human race from dstruction.

That's what's important.

72 And then there's THIS
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/proved_no_climate_crisis.html

73 "But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming."

I'm sorry if someone's already said this, but since when is the Global Warming lobby interested in evidence? The charter is written. The path has been set. The PR campaign has worked, and now everyone's scared stiff. Sadly, it's going to take a lot more than facts to turn Global Public Opinion back to a state of normalcy.

74 Wait, I'm confused.  That article makes it sound like the temperature was going up while Gore was in office, and ever since Bush has been in office it's been going down.  That can't be right, can it?

75 even if we determine with certainty that it's "the sun wot did it"

There's the whole problem with AGW to begin with. Shouldn't the question have been "Since we have this huge friggin ball of fire pumping out heat until we can prove AGW we can pretty much figure it's actually part of the system and  not go around excepting every person on the planet to return to huts and eat dirt?"

As with most problems if you start with the wrong damn question it's pretty good friggin odds you are going to end up with wrong answers.

Could you please get back to working on terraforming Mars and Venus now? Maybe even pull together the asteroids to form Earth II?
We aren't going to stop breeding just cause you asses say so and we are going to need a place to stay.

76 On a slightly different topic...

The latest news is that the solar flux is at a near record low. I have no idea what that means, but I liked this observation...

This is referring (again) to the slow/late/unknown start of the 11 year cycle of sunspots.  Last time we had a serious cycle break (Maunder Minimum I think is what it was called) there was a drastic cooling period.

Now those could be coincidental.  On the other hand, the big ball of fire did something odd for near 100 years (fine, I'll look it up... 1645 to 1715) and at the same time, the earth got colder.  Much colder really.

So maybe the warming/cooling we're seeing could match (to some extent) with the 11 year sunspot cycle?  Wait, no.  That doesn't work, because we've had cooling for 10 years, and the cycle is 11; so some cooling was occurring at the peak of the last cycle.

Hmm, well so much for a really simple solution.  But we can at least get another data point if we get another "sunspot minimum" and it gets really fucking cold.

I'll freely admit I'm not a climatologist (Math/Comp Sci major, Physics Minor) but I can at least follow along and hum the bits I don't know.

77 I wonder if anyone thought to take periodic temperature readings in Al Gore's jowls.

78

Why am I bothering--I have no idea why you bothered to post anything here.  After the lies that have been told by the AGW supporters (the science is settled--a review of peer reviewed article showed 100% agreement with the theory--the temperature of the earth was constant until the 20th century aka the hockey stick, CO2 has a record of leading temperature increases for the past 500,000 years) and then you add to it with your "the vast majority...don't care about the politics" when the way grants have been given out has had a vast number of "scientists" sell themselves on AGW for the profit in it. 

You accuse the people here of not caring about what peer reviews were until we agreed with it, but the lies told by the AGW proponents that peer reviews were as if God had spoken was also a great deal of nonsense---and you are smart enough to know it.  Science doesn't work by majority rule.  It works by challenging conventional wisdom, which you and your compatriots simply decided wasn't the smart play. 

Ten years of no temperature increases on the land, seven years with no temperature increases in the sea (in fact a slight temperature drop), and a troposphere that is about 10% of what it should be if the warming we saw was caused by greenhouse gases leave those of us who thought AGW was nonsense asking one question.  "So where's the heat?" 

 

79

And the 98% of climate scientists that believe humans are a significant cause of warming?

Screw that, we found a mathematician in Australia who agrees with us!

With that logic, I could "disprove" the Big Bang Theory, evolution, and that cigarettes cause cancer.

Man, you people ain't bright.

80 It's truly bizarre to watch conservative "skepticism" of science completely disappear when a "scientist" (A computer programmer?  REALLY???  C'mon guys...) says something they agree with.  Keep filtering out the fact that you don't agree with, dudes.  It's so cute watching you try to explain science to the rest of us.

81

The article relied on here was published by the Journal of the American Physical Society because the editors felt that the importance of the Global Warming issue required that they publish a contrary opinion -- not because the article presents new or definitive scientific conclusions.  The author of the article is given as "Christopher Monckton of Brenchley".  Monckton is actually a British politician and an ex-advisor to Margaret Thatcher, not a scientist.

The remainder of the journal issue comprises real scientific writing that supports the Global Warming hypothesis.

So, really, all this amounts to is typical wingnut procedure -- take advantge of fairness in the media by cherry-picking the facts, avoiding context, etc...

 

82 So global cooling was a hoax too? what about ozone depletion? and Y2K? Was the population explosion that was supposed to cause widespread starving a hoax? Now global warming? Next you'll tell me that the left is populated with meglomanical control freaks that'll lie about anything to get power and money.

83 It's truly bizarre to watch conservative "skepticism" of science completely disappear when a "scientist" (A computer programmer?  REALLY???  C'mon guys...) says something they agree with.  Keep filtering out the fact that you don't agree with, dudes.  It's so cute watching you try to explain science to the rest of us.
Posted by: hyphenista

Yeah, if you want to understand math, formulas, and computer models, you don't want a computer scientist, you need Al Gore's education...

Al Gore graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government

Well that's got to be better scientific credentials than Math or Computers.  I mean, all the scientific work for Government education is just... non-existent.  But to be fair, he did start off working toward an English degree. If you want good science/math/research criteria, the English Lit Department is where you'd find it, right?

You going to state that Al Gore is insufficiently educated to have his opinions as well?  Or are you simply a hypocritical jackass complaining about one person's education (not the facts presented) while ignoring your leader's education (and ignoring the proof that his "facts" have been consistently disproven and inaccurate).

It's so cute watching a hypocrite spin ignoring the actual argument and attacking the messenger full on while ignoring the comparable flaws on the own side.

Sorry, we'll try to find a Government or English major who agrees with us next time.  Then we can following him around and pretend like he's a really trained Scientific person and worship his every utterance.

That would be much better than trusting a programmer, right?

84

 conservative "skepticism" of science

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm not skeptical of science at all. 

Science is skeptical of me (and everything), and I'm skeptical of scientists, but that's about it.

85 At the AGW game, I'm cheering the visitors.  Ra-Ra-Ra!!!!!

/Too bad they're not Egyptian....

86

I always love reading wingnut dismissal of the global warming theory.  They love to pretend like they know what they're talking about.  It's a bit like a nurse aides giving advice on how to do brain surgery, when they just stick to emptying bedpans -- their area of competance.

This controversy will prove itself out over the next 20 years, by which time I will be safely dead.  Nontheless, the ability of the global warning deniers to dismiss signifigant changes like an ice-free North Pole is truly breathtaking.

87 Yeah, if you want to understand math, formulas, and computer models, you don't want a computer scientist, you need Al Gore's education...

It's so cute watching a hypocrite spin ignoring the actual argument and attacking the messenger full on while ignoring the comparable flaws on the own side.

The irony is KILLING me!  You are so adorable.  Next time, construct an internally consistent critique.  Conservatives ooze dumb like a fat person oozes sweat on a hot summer day...

88 The article referred to in post 32 by Christopher Taylor is, in fact, not peer-reviewed, is not endorsed by the APS and is preceded by the following disclaimer: "The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article's conclusions."

89 Hoo boy, did you yuts EVER get pwned hard.

Every last one of you wingnuts jumped on this spurious garbage like a pack of starving rats hitting week-old roadkill, & now the putrid stench of it is all over you ... you wear it well, kids.

Is your theme-song "Dare To Be Stupid" perchance?

You're getting ever more nakedly hard-up to get anyone with eyes ears & a functioning brain to take you seriously whenever you spout your "Hail, Ideology! Reality Be Damned!" twaddle, aren't you?

HINT #1: the Greenhouse Effect was verified as hard scientific fact, circa 1916 - & they linked the increase (one so dire they immediately replicated the results using glacial cores on another continent, because they were so deep off the far end of their predicted range) to the early 1840s ... no big volcanos, no convenient massive solar-flares ... the only event they COULD use to explain it was the rise of heavy industry in Europe. Man-made, & proven as such, before you were a twinkle in Daddy's eye.

POP QUIZ: Do you think we're producing MORE or LESS CO2 than we were circa 1842? In deference to your observable level of scientific literacy, I'll give you 3 guesses. Bonus Question: are there MORE or FEWER tons of green biomass on Earth (sequestering CO2) now than there were circa 1842?

HINT #2: a radical & rapid reduction in the production of Freon has actually appeared to result in some reduction or "healing" of the massive polar holes in the O3 envelope by the late 1990s - presumably also resulting in a signifigant fall in UV2 radiation input at the surface - & in the decade since then, the global warming trend has actually both continued, & gone beyond most credible scientists' Worst-Case-Scenarios. What exactly does this data suggest to you?

Enjoy your epic fail.

LOL

90 Most excellent!  So, am I to understand that I have located a cache of contrarian intellectuals who will be willing to bet me, say, one million dollars apiece that anthropomophic global warming is a hoax?  By all means contact me in person at theabbottpafnuty@yahoo.com, and I will send you each a link to the private line I have set up through Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.  You will have the option either to wager on what the consensus of the entire world including yourselves will be in ten years, or if you're in more of a hurry to collect there is also an option to bet on what the opinion of 95% of  the world scientific community is at this very moment.

Carry on, brave young minds!

91 ability of the global warning deniers to dismiss signifigant changes like an ice-free North Pole is truly breathtaking.

An ice free north pole was pretty breathtaking in the early 1900's too.

92

Nontheless, the ability of the global warning deniers to dismiss signifigant changes like an ice-free North Pole is truly breathtaking.

Just as the ability of sweaty-toothed global warming religious lunatics to dismiss significant changes like an increasingly icy South Pole is truly breathtaking.

I'm really, really going to enjoy watching you silly dipshits flail around (increasingly so) as your latest pathological attempt to pretend that your actions have the slightest cosmic relevance explodes in your faces.  Again.

Oh my god -- there's a historically insignificant and now historically dated minor increase in global climate under your bed.  Boogedy boogedy!

Freaks.

93 You will have the option either to wager on what the consensus of the entire world including yourselves will be in ten years, or if you're in more of a hurry to collect there is also an option to bet on what the opinion of 95% of  the world scientific community is at this very moment.

Heh. Note that the proposed bet is based on non-empirical feelings and opinions, not on a measurable point, such as whether global warning will return or continue on its decade long flat-to-cooling trend.

I believe our point is made.

94 So, am I to understand that I have located a cache of contrarian intellectuals who will be willing to bet me, say, one million dollars apiece that anthropomophic global warming is a hoax?

Oh, definitely.  The dictionary.com of "anthropomorphic":

1.ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, esp. to a deity. 2.resembling or made to resemble a human form: an anthropomorphic carving.

95 66 Jim:

Jim, did you enjoy your sneer? It's evident that you have few pleasures in life, so I want to make sure  you're getting the most out of this one.

Of course you probably do not want to be answered, so I'm answering you. People who want to have discussions, let alone be convincing, do not put juvenile game-words like "HINT" and "POP QUIZ" into their statements. Have you noticed that talking like that prevents you from actually having to debate, sneering as you are from your lofty position of claimed superiority? It seems to have also relieved you of the responsibility for providing links that back up your "hints."

Of course a mature debate would be welcome. But I doubt you're capable of it without a lot of growing up. Still, if you want to give it a try, let's start with this. You say we're obviously wrong because "The Greenhouse effect was verified as hard scientific fact."  So, how would you evaluate the following statement: "The Greenhouse effect is keeping us all alive."

Wingnut garbage, or a reason for you to rethink your statement titled "HINT #1?"

96 Here's a geological record of CO2 and global temperature.  If you can detect any connection, I congratulate your imaginative abilities.  Or, perhaps over the last 150 million years AnthropoGenic Cooling has managed to drop CO2 to 1/20 of its previous value.  We just need to remember how we did it, I guess!

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It is moderately interesting and alarming, BTW, that we are some hundreds of years overdue for the end of the current Interglacial Warm Period, typically about 11,000 year breaks in between 100,000 year glaciations.  It's actually too bad that CO2 is a trivial influence on climate; we're maybe going to need all the warming we can get! 

Just a technical note about sunspots: they are "holes" in the comparatively cool surface of the sun that allow more energy to escape and warm us (and Pluto).

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Actually, Evens isn't "of the Australian Greenhouse Office". He's just a computer programmer. He was a contractor there, writing a piece of desktop software.

You seem to think he's a climate scientist, for some reason.

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Oh sorry, he's a rocket scientist.

Of course you are, David ...

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I like how the detractors of David Evans have totally debunked him. (sarc)

Instead they attack him. How open-minded.

 

 

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