September 07, 2008
— Gabriel Malor Gallup's Daily Tracking numbers are out and have McCain leading 48% to 45%.
These results are based on Sept. 4-6 interviewing, and include two full days of polling after the conclusion of the Republican National Convention last Thursday night. McCain has outpolled Obama on both Friday and Saturday, and is receiving a convention bounce just as Obama did last week.Tomorrow's report will be the first in which all interviews were conducted after the conclusion of the convention.
The margin of error is plus or minus 2%.
The last time we checked in with Gallup was on Friday when the numbers were reversed. Slublog wrote:
What I find interesting is that despite the near-ludicrous hype, Obama has not proven to be a breakaway candidate like Bill Clinton, who jumped anywhere from 12-16 points after his convention and never really looked back. We've been told that the electorate is hungry for change and they're angry at the GOP, but they seem reluctant to embrace the "change" candidate.
Despite a week of Palin-bashing, the Republican ticket seems to be doing quite well. The claim that McCain's judgment is so flawed that he would select a western governor to be "a heartbeat from the presidency" just didn't catch on.
We haven't seen the end of McCain's convention bounce. He has, with Palin's help, appropriated Obama's "change" theme. And, come to think of it, Obama's "post-partisan" theme. Republicans and moderates are just as hungry for a new Washington as Democrats. And it's proven to be way to late in the game for that McSame stuff to stick.
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Posted by: grc at September 07, 2008 08:33 AM (3h8sn)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 07, 2008 08:37 AM (evdj2)
At a time when the Dems are winning the generic congressional polls by 10 points (this guy shouldn't be just beating us, he should be crushing us).
I love this.
(knock on wood.)
Posted by: AD at September 07, 2008 08:37 AM (PeYVg)
This is turning into a mugging.
Posted by: runninrebel at September 07, 2008 08:39 AM (qAMnO)
Posted by: Dudley Smith at September 07, 2008 08:40 AM (uVCZA)
Posted by: eman at September 07, 2008 08:40 AM (6VBMO)
Posted by: Gran at September 07, 2008 08:45 AM (mTWN+)
Posted by: The Obvious at September 07, 2008 08:46 AM (1g+FW)
Yes, McCain hasn't even started on the REAL dirt, and Barry is already whining like a little girl. The debates are going to be humiliating for O!
Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at September 07, 2008 08:48 AM (5Psnq)
Why is every commercial shown to my kids during NFL games about the flaccid cocks of Boomers? It's starting to piss me off.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 07, 2008 08:49 AM (sncuK)
Posted by: Bobaloo at September 07, 2008 08:52 AM (CoOYX)
I would pound that McCain "temple" ad where BO is just a voting stooge of Reid and Pelosi- it demolishes this "change" garbage and saws off a stool leg.
This clown is ripe for the taking and McCain team (Steve Schmidt you magnificent bastard II) knows it.
Posted by: jjshaka at September 07, 2008 08:53 AM (wWGhQ)
Great news. McCain is a seasoned campaigner and I have faith that he will seal the deal by hitting the right themes.
OTOH, Obama is a rookie, in over his head and held up by the media. He has no game when he's not reading something written for him.
The debates will be fun to watch.
Posted by: Dogstar at September 07, 2008 08:54 AM (6AcsH)
Posted by: The Obvious at September 07, 2008 08:54 AM (1g+FW)
Posted by: Dudley Smith at September 07, 2008 08:54 AM (uVCZA)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 07, 2008 08:57 AM (evdj2)
OT: Even Dowd Gets It
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07dowd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Dowd flashes forward to the 2012 debates. Her column soon degrades into her typical demented hyperbole, but it's based on the premise that Sarah Connor Palin has cleaned Barry's clock.
"Now, alas, well have to wait until 2012 when the two fiercest competitors on the trail will no doubt face off in the presidential debate, with Palin still riding high from her 2008 field-dressing of Obama (whos now back in the Senate convening his subcommittee on Afghanistan)."
That smells like victory.
Posted by: Prufrock at September 07, 2008 08:58 AM (vISQb)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 07, 2008 08:59 AM (evdj2)
"Despite a week of Palin bashing..."
I belive it is, in part, the reason for the positive poll numbers.
What's happening is akin to some punk showing up at a local PTA meeting and slapping one of the moms and demanding she hand over her fresh-baked tollhouse cookies: The little punk is going to get a good old-fashioned ass whupping.
There's, what, 60 or so days before the election? You can bet that somewhere along the line we'll be reading stories of how Palin, who presumably cooks wholesome moose meals for her children, was seen to walk out of a public bathroom without washing her hands.
I hope the nutroots keep it up. The only possible result will be to piss off damned near every decent person in this country and provide a real sense of what the "One" is fully (and actually) capable of.
It's just as wth Palin continuously reintroducing herself to the public. Many in this country have yet to hear her speak. Remember, most of the rumors and most of the research which has so thoroughly impaled the authors of said rumors, have never made it into the light of day where the common folk (non-blogger voting public) reside.
How often do you find yourself explaining to your neighbors or co-workers the latest political development and then shaking your heads as to how in the hell could they never heard of the particular issue? With me, all too often.
Let's hope they keep up their evil-doing deeds for a little while longer.
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 08:59 AM (RGMrs)
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at September 07, 2008 09:00 AM (nuuDA)
My hypothesis is that Camp Obama sees this election as the opposite of 1980. They think that the political environment is so bad for the party in power that all they have to do is show voters their candidate is not scary and he will break away after the debates and never look back. Risky, but it explains their counter-productive, defensive strategy since late June.
We should not assume that it's too late for Obama to win by coming to his senses and hitting the economy every day (as he should have been doing for months). If I was advising McCain, my daily message would be that Obama says he wants to cut taxes for the middle-class, but voted to raise them in February -- BO as dishonest tax-raiser. Also, that Obama's position on trade raises prices for consumers, including on fuel (by opposing sugar-based ethanol from Brazil). Obama = higher taxes, higher prices.
McCain might also consider hanging a lantern on one of his own problems and turning it to his advantage. He might consider joking that some of his opponents think he's too old for the job, when what they mean is that he's old enough to remember when Jimmy Carter drove the US economy into a ditch with the ideas Obama embraces.
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:03 AM (acC/M)
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=28222
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at September 07, 2008 09:04 AM (nuuDA)
Yeah, he wrote that it was outside of the margin of error, but that is incorrect.
The MoE is 2%. That means the true value for McCain support is somewhere between 46 and 50 percent. Similarly, the true value for Obama support is between 43 and 47 percent.
In other words, there is some overlap.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 07, 2008 09:06 AM (rWvvO)
Posted by: HowardDevore at September 07, 2008 09:07 AM (47c6E)
Well, Karl, might something like this work?
"When it comes to taxes, I won't be asking anyone to 'read my lips', instead, I'll simply ask of you, my friends, to read my opponents lips instead."
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 09:08 AM (RGMrs)
Yeah, I lurve AP, but polling stories are not his strong suit.
PS: Camp McCain ought to have the video of Obama talking about how he likes high gas prices running on a continual loop.
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:09 AM (acC/M)
It's an encouraging trend, and so long as McCain continues to do his Mexican Hat Dance in the middle of Obama's strategy circle, I think November will be a blow-out.
Posted by: Justin at September 07, 2008 09:11 AM (iH1PP)
Gabriel has an approval rating on his posts of 48%, with a 5 point margin of error.
Herr Morgenholz has an approval rating of 38% on his smartass comments, also with a 5% margin of error. Gabriel does NOT have a 10 point lead. It's within the margin, albeit barely, as we could easily be tied at 43%.
Ask John Kerry.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 07, 2008 09:11 AM (sncuK)
jmflynny,
I wouldn't go there, as the lip-reading will remind some of GHWBush. Just bluntly state: "Barack Obama claims he wants to cut your taxes. He voted to raise them this year. There's a big difference between talking and doing."
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:11 AM (acC/M)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 07, 2008 09:14 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:16 AM (acC/M)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 07, 2008 09:18 AM (rWvvO)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 07, 2008 09:21 AM (rWvvO)
Gabe,
Thanks for the tip, though I include the URL out of habit. It's a pretty apolitical site, but for folks who like music, gossip and animal stories, there it is.
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:27 AM (acC/M)
Posted by: Potosi Joel at September 07, 2008 09:28 AM (TPRbZ)
Are there any non-Liberals in NYC? I would love to hear from you:
AskParisParamus@gmail.com
Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at September 07, 2008 09:28 AM (9wuVO)
floofy, that's how stump speeches work. They're supposed to be basically the same, maybe with a little tuning aimed at the specific area where they take place.
Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at September 07, 2008 09:31 AM (5Psnq)
Potosi, I'm watching the Jags-Titans game right now and tryng to figure out which category I fall into: binge drinkers or guys who can't get it up.
Really, it's a tough choice.
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 09:32 AM (RGMrs)
FloofyParisParamus,
There's a reason why a stump speech is a stump speech. Ace has voiced the same concern, but we always need to keep in mind that while tens of millions saw the convention, hundreds of millions did not. They'll start changing some things up as we go, but never fast enough for political junkies.
Posted by: Karl at September 07, 2008 09:33 AM (acC/M)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 07, 2008 09:35 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: HBob at September 07, 2008 09:38 AM (I0b5H)
Posted by: Potosi Joel at September 07, 2008 09:40 AM (TPRbZ)
Right now McCain has the initiative, and he's nothing if not a seasoned politician. Unless Obama can come up with a slick judo move on the order of the Palin pick he could be in real trouble.
Biden will be no help. If they let him talk he'll just say something embarrassing.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 07, 2008 09:42 AM (xDwoq)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 07, 2008 09:45 AM (sI5Ho)
Posted by: Dudley Smith at September 07, 2008 09:47 AM (uVCZA)
The MoE is 2%. That means the true value for McCain support is somewhere between 46 and 50 percent. Similarly, the true value for Obama support is between 43 and 47 percent.
Well, if you're goint to be a stickler about exact numbers, remember this is a poll. The MoE on the MoE is 15%.
MoE = 2%, +/- 15%.
Posted by: Entropy at September 07, 2008 09:48 AM (HgAV0)
I'm sick of our bias media. The comment that the media will pick the next president really burns me.
No. They will not.
If the media wants to stand in our way this election. We don't need to go threw them. We can always go around them. We still have freedom of speach .
Educate yourself. Call. Write. Email. & Blog daily to others.
Nothing is inevitable!
Kim American
Posted by: Kim at September 07, 2008 09:56 AM (icaEe)
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Posted by: JimK at September 07, 2008 10:36 AM (Gic9s)
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 10:41 AM (RGMrs)
I believe it's "Bradley Effect," and the corresponding coinage for the woman-types would be "Palin Effect;" that is, there is an effect of propping 0bama up, not that the polls have an affectation that resembles someone called Bradley (though the polls were a little foppish there for a while).
Posted by: Anonymous at September 07, 2008 10:58 AM (4yauu)
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 11:14 AM (RGMrs)
Posted by: jmflynny at September 07, 2008 11:14 AM (RGMrs)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 07, 2008 11:47 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: McGillicuddy at September 07, 2008 12:53 PM (/DFbK)
McCain has broken out of his 42-46% range. He has been within that range in what amounts to "nothing happening here" for 4-5 weeks.
Meanwhile, Obama has been 44-48% for the same weeks preceding. Therefore, what we can safely say is that Obama has not moved substantially over the last 4-5 weeks. At all. IOW, there was no convention bounce for Obama. At. Fucking. All. Obama broke out of his range for a total of only 6 days.
It remains to be seen whether there has been any convention bounce for McCain. If he can stay above 46%, then the game has shifted. So far he has only one day outside his range from the previous 4-5 weeks.
And one note of correction (for me, quite likely):
If the MoE is 2% and one party is four points above the other (say, 48-44) that does not signify a poll within the MoE. MoE usually means a 95% confidence interval. Therefore, for both numbers to be the same, each would only have a 5% chance. Therefore, the odds that the numbers are the same would be (.05)(.05) = .0025.
In order to test the null hypothesis that both were in fact 46%, one would not perform a z-test. And since I'm not pulling my stats book off the shelf, I'll just say it's not within the MoE at 48-44 with a MoE of 2%.
Can somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong?
Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 07, 2008 01:07 PM (14k+t)
But then, spending this much effort on interpreting results that didn't have as much effort in creating them is a good way to get an ulcer, or at least bed sores.
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