1 Might want to correct that title.....it's Richmond, not Riverside

2 Liberalism, which controls much of our society today and many of our major cities completely, hates women. This is why women are treated so poorly in an otherwise 'civilized' society.

Liberalism is the enemy of women.
Examples:
Treatment of Ted Kennedy over his victim
Treatment of Bill Clinton over his victim
Treatment of David Letterman over his employees
Treatment of Polansky over his victims
Treatment of Sarah Palin in general
Treatment of Bristol Palin
Treatment of John Edwards over his wife
Treatment of Keith Olbermann over Michelle Malkin
Treatment of Carrie Prejan
Treatment of Jessica Simpson by Liberal MSM and sportswriters - somehow any problems the entire Cowboys team had can be traced to her.
Liberal Representative Alan Grayson calls Linda Robinson a whore
Treatment of Kennedy over Marilyn Monroe
Anyone here want to add more to the list? I think we see the pattern though.

3 No one wants to address the root of the problem, which is the family or lack thereof.

4 What a horrible story.

5

This country has no law enforcement problem that cannot be addressed by a correct dosage of Buford Pusser whoopass stick.  Especially these punks and those like them.

My bet would be that they will be meeting some foreign objects very, very soon anyway.

6 OT: CBO says House bill will cost over a trillion bucks: http://tinyurl.com/ygl3obo

7 the time of purification is at hand

8 The terrorists at Gitmo should consider staying there, where it's safe.

9 These little boys and girls are the recruits for Obama's army of volunteers...open your doors to this, like some poor soul did to a fake obama census taker.....they are just waiting to get in line for their obama money, car, house, healthcare.......go galt.....the lines will lengthen, and they will be angry, hostile and without shame.

10 The problem isn't that we're raising boys who don't respect girls. Or, rather, that is a problem too, but not really the problem here. Yes, they targeted her because, as a girl, she had what they wanted. But it's hard to imagine that a vulnerable, loan man who had something they wanted -- including simple humanity that they could shatter for their jollies (stuff like this is, as they say, also about dominance and pure cruelty rather than sex alone) -- would get better treatment from these vermin.

I disagree a little.  I do think that women/girls are more likely targets for sexual assaults in part because of society's conflicted messages about women and sex/sexuality.  It is more likely that a girl who is gang raped will have to fend off insinuations and accusations that she asked for it than a boy would. 

There is something basic at our core as a society that resists treating people as people, regardless of their gender or sexual preferences. 

That cuts many ways, of course, but in the context of a girl getting gang raped the net effect is that there is not as much consistent outrage as it deserves. 

11 I don't completely agree with you Ace, when you say they don't respect humans. They have an extremely high regard for themselves. It's other humans they don't respect, except to the extent that those others can satisfy their needs (i.e., give them something, voluntarily or involuntarily). This is the logical conclusion of the '60s mantra of "If it feels good, do it."

12 JFC, how the eff do you mess up loan vs lone?

Way beyond the pale of what we have acceded to accept.

13 The problem is that we have monsters in our society and no one much seems to care.>>>

Hey, those four boys represent four votes...no way the left wants to lose that.

14 "Death penalty for all of them, including the spectators." I agree. And I know there's no law to get to such just punishment, but then, as they say, no jury in the world would convict you.

Not only is there no such law, thanks to me you are forbidden to ever enact one.

You're welcome.

15 And can I add another thing?  I really hate that we're in a place right now in this country where we are counting on the savagery of the prisoner population to inflict rape and harm on fellow prisoners to mete out punishment.  It sickens me. 

Rape should be considered torture.  Unless the person at the receiving end is UBL or his pals, I don't see where it has a place in our society. 

16 the rest of the punks will all be described as "Nice boys. Helped old ladies crossed the street and carried their groceries in. Never belonged to a gang, and never used profanity - they kissed their Mamas with that mouth, you know?". Sometimes I don't feel so bad about prison rape. I hope each and every one of these scumbags gets a taste of what they did to that poor girl. Won't make things right, but a righteous spin on the karma wheel.

17

Um, actually, can any one find a story of a group of teens attacking and raping a man or boy, to the amusement of the crowd and taping it to post on YouTube...

I actually do think the sex of the victim was important.  Call me crazy if you want, but, being a girl, I have definitely been the target of actions that no self-respecting guy would perpetrate on another guy outside the context of a gay bar or pride parade.  And I was just in a public setting.  She was victimized, not because she "had something they wanted."  Seriously, do you think some guy wearing a Rolex or driving a nice car would have gotten the same treatment?

18
>>The problem is that we have monsters in our society and no one much seems to care.

Islam society too. Why do you think they separate Boys from Girls? Boys gotta have it and they get frustrated to the point of dying for 72 virgins. They are controlled with the hope of PussyKitteh.

The Death penalty is called for in this Richmond case.

19 The problem is that we have monsters in our society and no one much seems to care.

Some don't care and others are willing to blame external factors rather than the monsters themselves. I had to take a prison-industrial complex seminar for college and pretty much everyone in class agreed that everyone who's ever been jailed was put there because of "the Man." They commit crimes because they're poor and/or society is racist/sexist/etc. Not because they're heartless sociopaths.

And, as evidenced in the CA judicial system, criminals get more rights than the victims and families of victims. See Tookie Williams or OJ Simspon.

20 how the eff do you mess up loan vs lone?

I have to say that although I rarely misspell words when I write for work, or even when I write a letter, I find that I also tend to make spelling errors of the lone/loan (their/there, where/wear) variety on blogs.  I think it's something to do with the "conversational" tone of this type of writing. 

Just my theory. 

21 Golly...I wonder if they passed the initiation into MS-13?

I know, I know...how racist of me.

They should be impaled.

22 Rape today the ovens tomorrow. We are raising a whole generation just like thsese and you are correct, it is not just women it is any living thing, including animals. This generation will gladly solve many of their socail and eldercare problems just like the Nazis did. I work with many of them daily and it is truly frightening. 

23 Well, thank goodness two of the perps can't be charged with an hate crime as they are Hispanic.  Unbelievable.  Up to 10 suspects.  2 hours.  They took pictures.  These people are animals. 

24

They did not respect humans, period. They are animals lacking the most basic empathetic spark

Ayup.  Empathy, the hallmark of normal people.

And.  Never forget:  There are two types of empathy.  1) generalized empathy:  the kind that acts like the rubber bumpers that keeps us from simply being obnoxious and running over each other or, say, raping someone (those who have a sense of empathy), and, 2) those who use empathy merely as a tool (the generalized sense of empathy-rubber-bumpers is missing).

Now you know how to solve the empathy problem when you see the out of control narcissist operate with obvious empathy. 

25

Where's Daddy of girl?  He should be in cuffs for the revenge murder of 5 or 6 douchebags.

Only then will shit like this stop. 

26 Some monsters should not be suffered to live.  Too bad they're protected from a lynching (fyi, I've no idea what race they are, and frankly don't care) by the civilization they've set themselves against.

27 And didn't the onlookers provide a screen to act behind?  Charge them all, Fuckers.

28

I guess the next story we will hear (at least for the minority perps) that they grew up in impoverished fatherless homes without anyone who loved them, blah, blah, blah.  Well, boo freaking hoo.

29 @22
We are raising a whole generation just like thsese and you are correct, it is not just women it is any living thing, including animals.

See: Vick, Michael

30 Thanks for fixing the "loan" vs "lone" thingy.  I can go rub one out now, thinking constantly about how the original mistake has not been acknowledged.  It's what I live ofr!

(sracesm off, and obviously so)

-Brennan

31 I know this is OT but did anyone see South Park last night? i was in tears at the end of the episode, it was that funny

32 Get ready for the lawyers of these scumbags (apologies to all scum)
to tout, "It's because these boys are impoverished and victims of society that they did this horrible thing. And the ho was asking for it." Ok, they'll say that last part nicer, but it'll be there.

33 If convicted, all should be castrated and spend the rest of their lives being some criminal thug's bitch in prison.

34 Seriously. When do we start the killing?

35   17

Um, actually, can any one find a story of a group of teens attacking and raping a man or boy, to the amusement of the crowd and taping it to post on YouTube...

Wasn't posted on YouTube, as far as I know, but the couple Ace posted about yesterday were both raped and tortured by youths. One victim was a guy.

36 Dammit, runningrn! Are you in my head?

37

Spank,

I didn't see that.  Link, please?  And, did  the crowd watch with approval?

38 One victim was a guy.

Was he a known or suspected homosexual? 

39 We know why.

Yes, because they are minorities and possibly illegal immigrants.

40 shoot every last one of them in the neck. including the animals that stood around cheering and watching.

41

Dear Diary,

Note to self..........  Must remember to appoint Salvador Rodriguez as my new gender equality Tsar.

Til next time Dear Diary,

Barry

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

42 I don't think Ace is reading any comments today cuz he's not making any corrections. And the italics button sucks.

43 I'm surprised that Knoxville case has gotten so little coverage. Michelle Malkin was on it like white on rice. Y'all can go to her site for all the background on it. It's just as horrific as this one. And it won't be classified as a hate crime because the perpetrators were black and victims were white.

44 Ace: "The problem is that we have monsters in our society and no one much seems to care."

And this is why we like Dirty Harry. In the circles where PC is trafficked so readily and, ironically, callously, most make the unjustifiable trade-off of personal security over sacrifice. When one strays and actually does sacrifice by rejecting PC behavior and intervening, most privately cheer but still remain publicly silent. That's the paradigm we need to mercilessly kill along with those who would partake in such barbaric assaults.

Mob behavior remains a scourge and an unavoidable condition of society. However, we do have the intellect to overcome the innate if we have the courage to both recognize/understand the "flaw" and train ourselves to confront it.

45

Now you know how to solve the empathy problem when you see the out of control narcissist operate with obvious empathy. 

I feel like I need to elaborate, since that example is so lame.  Some have an incredible sense of empathy.  And they use it to preach, to play poker, sell a stock, or to persuade a crowd and win an election--they use it as a tool or a means to gain an end.  If there is no end to be secured, there is no empathy.  Why waste the effort?

Those with a normal sense of empathy have it on all the time.  All.  The.  Time.  Not simply when they need to use it to improve their position.

46 -- including simple humanity that they could shatter for their jollies

Yeah, it would suck to be that guy, wouldn't it?..oh, well, life sucks. I think we should all have fun hanging separately, since we do not appear to be able to hang together.

47 California can't fall into the sea fast enough.  A good starting point may be to nuke Richmond, CA.

48 38 One victim was a guy.

Was he a known or suspected homosexual?

He was raped and killed with his girlfriend, so I'm assuming he was straight. Were you trying to be funny?

49

I'm surprised that Knoxville case has gotten so little coverage. Michelle Malkin was on it like white on rice. Y'all can go to her site for all the background on it. It's just as horrific as this one. And it won't be classified as a hate crime because the perpetrators were black and victims were white.

Yup, already happened.  Wasn't prosecuted as an hate crime.  Yet Matthew Shepherd's death was an hate crime even though the dude who killed him was bisexual.  Go figure.

50 Damnit, Ace. While I'm typing, you append to say what I was going to post.

Get out of my mindthoughts!

51 I'm surprised that Knoxville case has gotten so little coverage.

I should amend that to coverage on the blogs. I know why it's not being covered in the news.

52

One victim was a guy.

Was he a known or suspected homosexual? 

 

know the attacker carjacked a boyfriend and girl friend

they raped them both. They cut off the boys penis and anally raped him, then i believe shot him and set him on fire and left him near railroad tracks.

they raped the girl in every conceivable way. poured bleach down her throat to destroy the evidence then killed her too.

that is from my memory, there were more gruesome details.

one of the most disgusting parts was, apparently the main rapist murderer told the girl if she had sex with them they would let her go.  So the defense tried to claim that it wasn't rape based on that.

its fucked up(sorry ace, the f word is deserved here)

I would look it up and read about it. It makes me feel bad about being a human being.

53 #15- I agree with you to a certain extent. We should not have to count on prison rape to enact the full amount of punishment that these guys deserve. Unfortunately, that seems to be the only part of prison that is still punishment. There are guys that come out of prison with Master's Degrees on our dime.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would love to see every prison have a 23 hour lockdown every day, with one hour a day to get some fresh air and take your weekly shower. Stop with all of the rehabilitation crap and mete out some real punishment. Until then, I hope Bubba makes each and every one of them his wife.

54 I am so f'n sick of thug culture.

As for Ace's point, I agree with him that their lack of human empathy is the root of the problem, and applies equally to all genders.  These same people who did nothing about this girl getting tormented would have also been entertained watching their friends beat a guy to death.

But, I think his phrasing wasn't very clear; there definitely is a gender problem in society, particularly in the low class, where the boundary between romantic pursuit and intimidating behavior has become very blurry.  That's not what happened here, though.

55 We need Boondock Saints in every city in America. Connor: Now you will receive us. Murphy: We do not ask for your poor, or your hungry. Connor: We do not want your tired and sick. Murphy: It is your corrupt we claim. Connor: It is your evil that will be sought by us. Murphy: With every breath, we shall hunt them down. Connor: Each day we will spill their blood, 'til it rains down from the skies. Murphy: Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. Connor: These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior, and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. Murphy: There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over, in to true corruption, into our domain. Connor: For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day you will reap it. Murphy: And we will send you to whatever god you wish.

56

Posted by: wherestherum at October 29, 2009 06:33 PM (GZnia)

Ha! Ha!  I can read your mind-thoughts--I'm applying for that new Mind-Thoughts Czar position that's opening up in the Bamster's administration.  You know, if you can't beat them, join them!

57 The sex of the victim was important. She was a girl, and they wanted to rape her, so they did. My point is that is not as if they would treat a man better. Would they rape him? No, probably not (but who knows). This isn't about a failure to respect women, it's about verminous predators who prey on human being generally. In this case, they wanted to rape. You think apart from rape they were good citizens?

58 Shivv, I'm all for bringing back 6x6 cells and feeding them moldy bread and dirty water. And your toilet is a small pile of hay.

59

Why isn't the media paying attention?

Because only one of the accused is white.

The rest open too many questions about what liberal parenting, liberal immigration laws, and liberals ignoring minority members who commit crimes produces.

60 He was raped and killed with his girlfriend, so I'm assuming he was straight. Were you trying to be funny?

No.  You didn't provide a link or any details so I didn't know what case you were referencing. 

I think rape that is committed as part of a murder is different than raping someone and leaving them alive.  To me the former is just part of the act of killing that person - robbing them of their dignity as part of robbing their humanity before you take away their life.  I imagine it's easier to dispose of someone, particularly a man, after you've subjected him to that sort of torture. 

Raping a girl with a crowd watching and in public suggests you have no concerns about being held accountable.  A part of that feeling may be that there is still an undercurrent of 'she asked for it' running in our society.  As I recall, I read some comments to that effect (or to the effect of 'how do we know it wasn't consensual?') here and elsewhere yesterday. 

61 Maybe I'm particularly gloomy today but this all looks like the fall of Rome to me. How can this country possibly recover from all this? Everything's fucked up.

62 >>> I find that I also tend to make spelling errors of the lone/loan (their/there, where/wear) variety on blogs. I think it's something to do with the "conversational" tone of this type of writing. What it is is fast writing where my fingers are three second behind my brain. My "active brain" is three words ahead, writing the next several words. Words are dumped into the "passive brain" muscle memory type part of the brain, where stuff like loan and lone get confused.

63

Posted by: ace at October 29, 2009 06:41 PM (mT0zX)

Jeez, Ace, calm down.  It's not like it was rape rape, it was just rape.  Sheesh!

64 Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would love to see every prison have a 23 hour lockdown every day, with one hour a day to get some fresh air and take your weekly shower. Stop with all of the rehabilitation crap and mete out some real punishment. Until then, I hope Bubba makes each and every one of them his wife.

I guess I am in the minority with you - I agree about the 23 hour lockdown too.
Also, if you rape ...automatic castration.

65 Y-not:

I hear you.  I still occasionally find myself asking the inevitable "is it its or it is" question to confirm proper apostrophization (I plead proudly guilty to making that word up, according to the faux grammar experts Bill Gates hired) when writing missives on a daily basis.

I guess I was just stunned by the nature of the mistake.  I know Ace is a more than capable and, in fact, an exemplary writer, although he does make the occasional mistake, as we all do.  Were I under the pressure he is, I doubt I would produce as consistenly superior copy as he does.

I admit to being a stick-in-the-mud here.  But my point was made, methinks.

Furthermore, I think Ace counts coup on having overly anal grammarians (grammarists? grammarsmiths?  wordsworkers?) chime in.  Anything that boosts Ace's ego above its perennially low energy budget, I'm fully behind!

Cheers,
Brennan

Excelsior!
(In the channeling Stan Lee sense, not the wood chip sense.)

66

You think apart from rape they were good citizens?

Shit, you're not supposed to make me bust a gut in a serious thread.  Ha!

67 "They did not respect humans, period. They are animals lacking the most basic empathetic spark that typically restrains human beings from beating or raping each other brutally -- " Yes, that's about it.

68

What it is is fast writing where my fingers are three second behind my brain. My "active brain" is three words ahead, writing the next several words. Words are dumped into the "passive brain" muscle memory type part of the brain, where stuff like loan and lone get confused.

All this while simultaneously chugging Value-Rite, skinning an hobo, and surfing busty lesbian pron.  And they say that men can't multi-task!  This just proves that Ace is an Unmortal.

69

I am so f'n sick of thug culture.

i agree, this is an inner city culture thing. not in all cases of inhumanity, but a lot of this crap is because of the glorification of murder, rape, and all around disgust for your fellow man

please don't read "inner city culture" as code language. I mean it bluntly as a lifestlye that is justified and glorified in urban areas. if some races are over represented so be it, but I think that it is more a mindset that can affect all people growing up in these areas. It's no coincidence that these crime ridden areas produce children prone to crime.

70 One more time:  Let's see:  Empathy is a state of being for normals.  It is a tool for jackoffs.

71 Y-not, I was referencing a case Ace discussed yesterday. The link was there. Apparently he pulled the post after some comments got out of hand. Rape of a guy and rape of a girl may be different, I don't know. They're both horrible. But to a guy, getting raped by other guys may be worse than getting murdered.

72

This isn't about a failure to respect women, it's about verminous predators who prey on human being generally.

I don't know; it sounds like hate-crime to me.

73 I had emailed Ace a couple days ago.  I don't know if he was referencing that when he wrote the draft or not, but yeah I can see the opportunity for racial animus.  I was pretty angry when I wrote it.  To wit:

What is even more pathetic is the simpering response of the school principle:

Trujillo called the rape outside on school grounds "a tragic incident."

"We wished this had never happened. This was such a heinous crime," Trujillo said. "We are all going to learn from this."

Note the passive voice.  No thought of fault or blame.  Nobody did anything evil, it just happened.  Like a storm or earthquake.  Learn from this?  LEARN?  What is there to learn you spineless twit?  The only thing to learn from rabid dogs is better marksmanship.

Who stole my country?

74 This is why people cheer for The Dark Knight.  Why the audience applauded when Batman dropped that mobster off the ledge and broke his ankles.

Deep down we know that "justice" is rarely served in these cases.

75 They're not animals.

Animals do things for reasons which, by and large, help their species survive.

These are anomalies.

-

76 All this talk of "we're breeding a generation of barbarians!" makes me shake my head. Human beings are unlovely creatures; this has always been the case, right from the very first. This kind of thing has happened in every society and every epoch -- it's not unique to us.

It was a barbaric act, to be sure. And now the 15 and 16 year old perps will have a lifetime of thinking about their crime ahead of them while sitting in stir. But are these boys really products of a decadent society, a debased culture that generates monsters rather than citizens? I don't think so. We do our best to civilize the more barbaric aspects of our personalities away, but come right down to it, we are primates and have the characteristics of primates. We are excitable, quick to anger, given to dominance heirarchies, desirous of group approval, and easily led by stronger peers. These tendencies lead us into many terrible and evil acts.

I guess what I'm saying is: I don't draw any cosmic lesson from this terrible crime. It happens. It will happen again, many times and in many places. If it is to serve as a lesson, the lesson should be that we need to work all the harder at civilization because the veneer has worn very thin indeed in some places.

77 #64  Also, if you rape ...automatic castration.

And not chemically.  I'd be all for castration with a rusty battle ax.

78 a lifestlye that is justified and glorified in urban areas. if some races are over represented so be it, but I think that it is more a mindset that can affect all people growing up in these areas. It's no coincidence that these crime ridden areas produce children prone to crime.

Where did that come from? I'm asking seriously. When did "thug life" and all that bullshit promoted in rap and hip hop become the "in" thing? I went to a mostly Hispanic/black high school and I'd say 90% of the student body dressed like thugs/cholos/gangbangers even if they weren't in gangs. (Although most of them probably were.) When did this start? Why has it increased? And are people not willing to stop such barbaric actions because they don't want to be viewed as "racist"? Is this a consequence of PC culture and multiculturalism and moral relativism?

79

Wow, ace, way to take a comment out of context. 

My point was clearly not that they were model citizens.  Jerk.

My point was that it was more socially acceptable to victimize the poor girl because people watched and didn't do anything (hence, the "social" aspect of "socially acceptable").  Had it been a boy with "something they wanted" like money, they wouldn't have had people watching and applauding and taping it to post to YouTube for _two_freaking_hours_.  Since we don't have a crime like that on record (the Knoxville tragedy was not publicly applauded or condoned), it's likely that the nature of the boy-on-girl rape was considered "okay" by the bystanders (not to mention the perps, who I would happily see burn in this world and the next).

See Def Leppard's post about women being treated by the left.  Disrespect for women is pretty rampant, so you would totally discount that as a factor in this case?  Misogynist prick.

(see?  I can take things out of context, too!)

80 74 This is why people cheer for The Dark Knight. Why the audience applauded when Batman dropped that mobster off the ledge and broke his ankles. Deep down we know that "justice" is rarely served in these cases. Posted by: The Marker Duo at October 29, 2009 06:50 PM Exactly. It's also why Boondock Saints and now Law Abiding Citizen are two of my all time favorite movies as well.

81

64  Also, if you rape ...automatic castration.

And not chemically.  I'd be all for castration with a rusty battle ax.

Or a plastic knife, like the kind you find at KFC

82 Pop culture also encourages this type of behavior, especially music. The things children know in this day-&-age is astonishing. They are also taught that respect for their fellow man 'isn't cool' & often feel that boundaries are arbitrary.  

83 Michael in MI,

And it's why Taken was such an awesome movie. They all fulfill our vigilante fantasies.

84 On the other hand, we could go all Heinlein on their asses.

Send these cretins off to a remote colony and make them coexist with beautiful, sexually adventerous women each of whom possesses high intelligence, a genetic anomally such as time-awareness or photo-memory, perky yabbos that quiver in anticipay ... shun, and firearms.

That'd learn 'em

85

Human beings are unlovely creatures

Monty, guess what?  Sometimes you get a person who actually believed all that I'm Third bullshit and has hurt themselves by placing their fellow man ahead of themselves.  Not everyone is a self-interested douchebag. 

Problem is, for everyone who tries to put the other man second, there are ten million others who would try to use that for personal gain.  But it doesn't mean someone wasn't unlovely for some period of time.

Don't project jackassery upon everyone else, even though most might deserve it.

86

WTR

i think a decent amount of our moral decay came about in the 1960s.  Did events like this probably happen before then? I would think so, not in a same frequency, but they happened. I just think after the 1960s this stuff became more acceptable to society as a whole. People stopped being disgusted by disgusting things because they were told everything is relative.

This is behavior that I expect from Congo Militias, not america school kids.

87 83 Michael in MI, And it's why Taken was such an awesome movie. They all fulfill our vigilante fantasies. Posted by: wherestherum at October 29, 2009 06:55 PM Oh damn, you're right, I forgot about that one. I got SO into that movie when I saw it for the first time in July. When he left that guy hooked up to the machine and flipped the switch and left the room, I was going HELL.F'ING.YEAH.

88 I swear, each time I read more details of this story, it gets worse. I'm glad to hear the rapists will be charged as adults at least.

89 @53

I'm all for the 23 hour lockdown.  Or work camps.  The notion that these a55holes have gyms and tv's and what not is horrendous. 

I am somewhat of an anomaly around here, I think, as I am actually opposed to capital punishment (although I would never hold a candle in a friggin' vigil for one of these dudes, nor would I vote against a candidate based on this one issue). 

My parents both worked for the federal prison system when I was a tot, then my dad continued to work as a juvenile probation officer and eventually as a social worker at a half-way house program for murders in a state prison system.  My mom, rest her soul, was a life-long conservative who first got active in politics by writing columns about prison reform.  (Dad was a Kennedy Democrat who switched when McGovern ran.)

I think those experiences, coupled with my natural optimism, shaped my views on capital punishment and how we deal with serious, violent criminals. 

I think that our society is capable of achieving great things.  I believe in the value of human life, even crappy human life.  I know some people can be rehabilitated, even with our imperfect system, and even those who cannot be rehabilitated teach those who work with them about human nature and even evil.  I prefer to confront evil and its root causes than to hide it away or eliminate the expressions of it without addressing the causes. 

90 Oh, I didn't provide enough info:  God first, the other man second; I'm third.

91

Patty Fisher lists a Mercury News (San Jose Mercury News) e-mail address.

The Mercury News has had leftists and race-apologists (or worse) as writers for at least 20 years.

They (the writers and their editors) are unable to form satisfactory logical arguments for their positions.  They simply silence their critics.  Note that the last two thirds of Fisher's article is an attempt to indict (American) society at large.

I'm waiting for a few more details on the attack, specifically the race of each person involved.  The citizenship of each attacker should also be made public.  I think we will see a truly ugly Truth appear, something the Left wants buried forever.

92

some idiot decided it was the perfect time to let loose a torrent of racial animus

Uh oh, killmore guppies looking for some hot troll action? 

93

The laws of nature, supply and demand and simple justice suggest that these dudes are going to get split wide open early and often when they get to the joint.

Watch your cornholes, studs. Congrats on raping a defenseless girl. Hope it was worth it, coz you will be traded from one cell block to the other for the rest of your un-natural lives for little more than a packet of smokes. Did someone order a cock-meat sandwich???

94 I disagree a little.  I do think that women/girls are more likely targets for sexual assaults in part because of society's conflicted messages about women and sex/sexuality.  It is more likely that a girl who is gang raped will have to fend off insinuations and accusations that she asked for it than a boy would.


I think this is right. Ace is correct that this particular crime was probably more about having no respect for humanity in general and these people (if they even deserve to be called that) were out to dehumanize someone- anyone- in order to get their jollies. But I also know, as a female (and a mother), that our society sends seriously strong messages to women, especially young girls, that the only way to get noticed/be cool is to dress and act "sexy"; and it's occurring at younger and younger ages.

For example, I was looking in a costume store this past week for a Halloween costume for my toddler and I was horrified at the costumes they had in there for girls. The sexy and scantily-clad nurse/pirate/belly dancer/fairy, etc were about all there was for girls around 10 and up. TEN!!! When I was 10, I painted my face green and was a scary witch, complete with hat and broom. There were no parts of my abdomen showing and the outfit covered my knees. No peep-hole cutouts in the chest region of my outfit either.

So, that's the message we're sending to our children now. It's degrading and objectifying to those girls and it degrades and objectifies them in the eyes of their male peers, making them easier targets for violence.

95

Once upon a long time ago, I and another guy removed a girl from a party.  She was so drunk, she could not walk.  We took her away and put her face-down on a picnic table so if she ralphed (she did) it would go down.

I spent an hour - two hours - watching her until she stirred and could move again.  Then I took her home.  Loaned her my windbreaker, also.  This was all before midnight.

All I thought was that it was lucky that she was with me, a normal human, and not some animal.  But it was over twenty years ago.

96 People stopped being disgusted by disgusting things because they were told everything is relative. This is behavior that I expect from Congo Militias, not america school kids. Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 06:58 PM Exactly. There is no right and wrong anymore. Everything is relative. There are no morals. The Left has succeeded in demonizing religion, law enforcement and the military... three of the institutions which are usually seen as examples of moral good. Not anymore, though. Now, all morals are relative. There is no 'Ultimate Truth' or ultimate right or wrong. If someone feels it's okay, then it's okay. And if someone tells you what you are doing is wrong, then you just tell them that they are being judgmental.

97

Put 'em in the same room with the shitbirds from Knoxville and give a prize to the survivor.

(The prize is, you get executed last.)

98 "respecting women?" This might be old fashioned, but I actually consider myself a gentlemen. I open doors for ladies and such. I also don't rape the shit out of them

99

Castration with a wine opener, followed by anal penetration with a basball bat. F those scumbags I hope they all rot in hell and get their cute little virgin a holes raped repeatedly in prison

 

just my thoughts

100

Let the girl kill them. Call it therapy.

101 I am not a bit surprised by this story. Ace, you are on track with your comments. I am an armed citizen and will defend what is left of this society when I am able.
At some point, I and many other older citizens, will be deceased, and then the animals can rule.
Until that time, animals BEWARE.

102 It's a pity we can't send the whole lot the the salt mines.

103 97- Excellent suggestion.

104 It's degrading and objectifying to those girls and it degrades and objectifies them in the eyes of their male peers, making them easier targets for violence.

Thank the feminists for that. Not the ones back in the 60s who were fighting for equality, but the kind today who stood behind OJ because he was black and his wife was white and the ones who are continually silent over the treatment of women in the Muslim world.

105 43. wherestherum - Michelle Malkin was on it like white on rice

White on rice?  Michelle Malkin is asian and married to a white guy.

RAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

106

Maybe I'm particularly gloomy today but this all looks like the fall of Rome to me. How can this country possibly recover from all this?

It looks like it to me too.  But hey!  Nancy Pututi unveiled the house healthcare bill today!  Isn't that wonderful? 

/s  *gak*

107 Maybe I'm particularly gloomy today but this all looks like the fall of Rome to me.

Me, too.  Time to open another beer and find a funnier thread, I guess. 

108 The hispanic machetti wielding culture has added so much to our diversity.

109 Maybe we can have Survivor: Convict edition. You get a butter knife and a canteen of water. Then you have to survive with 10 other convicts. The prize is...you get to die last.

110 The perps and on-lookers all need killing. Then all the family and friends need to be put on notice.

111 The disturbing part is that, with that many teenage onlookers, I guarantee you someone was taping it or snapping pics with their cell phone.

It's only a matter of time before they start to leak or pop-up.

112 Also, I think all who recorded or took pictures of this should at least be in jail and labeled as sex offenders/child pornographers.

113 @Ace,

The Kitty Genovese may have shocked the country out of complacency about crime, but nobody did anything about it until Mayor Giuliani in NYC in the 1990s!

114 I also concur with Ace,  these things are not human they are animals and respect noone.  The only reason they target girls is because she is not as strong as them and they wanted to have sex.  At some point in our society we have forgotten that who their families are and what has been done to them do not matter,  only their crime and the victim matter.  I am sure we will hear the sob stories about their sorry life from the media and be made to feel bad about wanting them to be subjected to the same treatment as their victim,  but I won't. 

115 104 It's degrading and objectifying to those girls and it degrades and objectifies them in the eyes of their male peers, making them easier targets for violence.

Thank the feminists for that. Not the ones back in the 60s who were fighting for equality, but the kind today who stood behind OJ because he was black and his wife was white and the ones who are continually silent over the treatment of women in the Muslim world.

Posted by: wherestherum at October 29, 2009 07:08 PM (GZnia)

Oh, I do. Believe me. The radical feminists and the leftists have pushed the whole "if it feels good, do it" crap for at least 30 years or so and it's a good deal of what's led to this kind of objectification of young women, in my opinion. Couple that with at least one generation of parents that's too busy "doing their thing" to pay attention to what their little darlings are wearing, watching, and listening to and it's not hard to see how we got to this point.

116 77- Castration? No, I think involuntary sterilization of women is a better option.

117 As our old friend "slide of civilization" likes to say: whheeeeeeeeeeeee

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this, honestly.  And actually I don't think any of you are.  The traditional responses and mores of society have been utterly raped themselves by the ridiculous notions made MANDATORY by the mindless fuckweasels who have insinuated themselves into our schools, churches, government, social service organizations: everywhere.  An eagle scout preparing for West Point is thrown out of school for having a little knife in his car, despite his felicity with the M-16.  A bill just passed that makes "mindcrime" an extenuating factor in any crime you commit.  THEY ARE TRYING TO TAX THE FUCKING AIR, PEOPLE.  Gang rape is just a symptom of the institutional breakdowns we see all around us.

At least Rome had legalized hookers. We're completely through the looking glass, and have been for a long time.

118 Not the ones back in the 60s who were fighting for equality, but the kind today who stood behind OJ because he was black and his wife was white and the ones who are continually silent over the treatment of women in the Muslim world.

And the ones who think having sex with everyone interested is "empowering" instead of just plain sad.  They do not have the best interests of women and girls in mind. 

119

@Ace,

The Kitty Genovese may have shocked the country out of complacency about crime, but nobody did anything about it until Mayor Giuliani in NYC in the 1990s!

don't forget Bernie Goetz

120 @93 I say we take up a collection to make sure the rest of the inmate population is well supplied with smokes. Weekly care packages to you know, insure they take good care of these subhumans

121 The radical feminists and the leftists have pushed the whole "if it feels good, do it" crap for at least 30 years or so and it's a good deal of what's led to this kind of objectification of young women, in my opinion.

Men have objectified women since the beginning of time.  If you knew what we are actually thinking you would never stop hitting us.  We are hardwired to notice a tight ass and sweet rack.  That is very different from raping them.  At least it used to be.

122

Mandy,

I'm totally with you.  I taught at a dance studio for a year.  The "costumes" they put the five and six year olds (and, of course, older), made me cringe.  They were belly-baring, boy-shorts sequin numbers with fringe.  My contingent were the Irish dancers, so they, at least, were pretty well covered.  But the sexualization of those babies made me want to cry.  When moms start teaching their girls to respect themselves, I'm praying the culture will follow. 

123

I think yes and no on the don't respect women charge.  I definitely think the perps don't value any human life (or any life for that matter) beyond their own, but I think that women are especially not valued by them.  Here's my reasoning:

Exactly what the article said: we have taught our young women that "sexy" is where it's at.  And it is a very hypersexualized, emotionless sexy (I'd say pretty much a pornographic definition of "sexy") -- while I don't really have an issue with adults viewing adults in a pornographic way, I do find it rather disturbing that this rather pornograph-itization has leaked into everyday society and culture and is aimed at younger and younger children, and that especially girls feel the need to make themselves in that image in order to be considered popular and well liked.  Likewise it is very disturbing that we have given young men such an emotionally blighted and shallow vision of what relationships (and being manly within that context) are all about.

On top of all this, I think we are starting to see the end result of all the very diligent work the feminists have done, with their "take back the night" and "date rape, just say no" campaigning, to our young people's perceptions of what is appropriate and even safe behavior between people of the opposite sex.  I'm no prude and don't think that it's even pragmatic to expect young women to stay virgins until their late 20s and marry and that's it (women have physical urges too -- they also are physically weaker than men usually and are the ones who have babies, and that shouldn't have been overlooked), but it was ridiculous to teach young women that they could "hang with the guys" (often under the influence of alcohol) and be in a completely safe environment -- that isn't how it works; it never has and it never will.  All this did was to create more situations where young women were not expected to act responsible towards themselves, and in which campus and town board feminists would hyperventilate over (I remember at the college one young woman claiming to have been "raped" by a group of young men who were guilty of ogling her -- in fairness she was wearing a miniskirt, and I don't know of many men in their early 20s who won't look, and that hardly was a case of rape.  This in turn completely devalued the true meaning of the term "rape" (getting ogled or wolf whistled at should never, ever have been term "rape" which some feminists encouraged young women to do, while encouraging them to dress and act in any very sexualized manner -- make no mistake, Girls Gone Wild is every bit as much a feminist production as it is driven by testosterone demand..."any woman can" after all).  It also bred a rather distressing amount of resentment among young men -- who now will argue that "she was really wanting to link up with all of us; she's a whore you know, not innocent at all, but you know how girls are -- they like it when it's happening and then they cry "rape" the next day because they don't want people to call them sluts).

We've come a long way baby, huh?

I think this is at the core of situations like this, and I'm afraid that we will see more, not less of this in the years to come.

124 Maybe I'm particularly gloomy today but this all looks like the fall of Rome to me

I don't know; I remember the same feeling of the Apocalypse back in the late '70's during the rash of serial killers: Son of Sam, the Night Stalker, Bundy, Wayne Williams, Gacy. Carter was president, the hostages were still in captivity, unemployment was sky-high, inflation, disco, drugs...it was a very weird time. A lot of cults sprang up around then, too: Hare Krishnas, the EST people, Moonies, that Jonestown Unification Church disaster, and so on.

I can even recall it now, and I was only 10 or 11 at the time. A lot of survivalists bought land in Wyoming back then and decamped for the mountains to wait out the coming upheaval -- nuclear war, societal breakdown, nobody really knew what.

Better days came along, though. They always do. You never appreciate the good times until you've been tested in the bad.

125

64  Also, if you rape ...automatic castration.

And not chemically.  I'd be all for castration with a rusty battle ax.

Or a plastic knife, like the kind you find at KFC

Or use this thing that doubleplusundead posted on his blog yesterday.

WARNING! WARNING! NSFW.  NOT SAFE FOR YOUR SANITY TOO.

I hate the italics button btw.

126 I didn't read Dr. Laura's books, but someone was telling me Dr. Laura said girls give it up too easily nowawdays. Because of that, guys don't take the time and effort to court them like they used to. Dating was an investment and if it didn't work out with a girl, oh, well move on. Since girls are willing to give it up for nothing, why bother trying?

I think she may be onto something.

127 Men have objectified women since the beginning of time.  If you knew what we are actually thinking you would never stop hitting us.  We are hardwired to notice a tight ass and sweet rack.  That is very different from raping them.  At least it used to be.

Herr M, yes, but it used to be men were taught self control. That seems not to be in the lesson plan anymore. And in the Islamic world men just blame the women for their lack of self control.

128 They just passed this hate crime law, and gender is now included.

I'm against hate crime laws, but if we're going to have them, why don't lefties consider all sexual assaults against women hate crimes? Is it because too many of their leaders and voting base are committing them?

129

Also, I think all who recorded or took pictures of this should at least be in jail and labeled as sex offenders/child pornographers.

I need to quit thinking of this, because my mind is conjuring all sorts of ugly and cruel scenarios that I believe should happen to all of these less-than-animal pieces of shit.

130 The "costumes" they put the five and six year olds (and, of course, older), made me cringe.  They were belly-baring, boy-shorts sequin numbers with fringe.

I used to work at a ballet studio and we would get costume catalogs every so often. Paging through some of those catalogs for the younger set is appalling. The teen ones are pretty bad, but I couldn't believe how tarted out the little kids costumes were.

131 Ace says:
"On Twitter, Greg Pollowitz says "Death penalty for all of them, including the spectators." I agree. And I know there's no law to get to such just punishment, but then, as they say, no jury in the world would convict you."

If I was on the jury, I would. I could be just as convincing as Juror No. 8.  

132 Men have objectified women since the beginning of time.  If you knew what we are actually thinking you would never stop hitting us.  We are hardwired to notice a tight ass and sweet rack.  That is very different from raping them.  At least it used to be.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 29, 2009 07:20 PM (qWLc4)

Very true. Here's a figure from 35,000 years ago. Archaeologists call it a 'fertility figurine' but any guy knows it's really a porn statue. Men have been objectifying women for a long time.

133 Herr Morgenholz,

I know exactly what you're talking about, as my husband and I have had conversations going down that line a million times. Men are more vulnerable to visual stimulation. I get it.

What I'm referring to is more the sexualization of the extremely young. We're at a point where people are letting their elementary school girls wear makeup, belly shirts, crotch-cutting shorts, etc. What kind of chances are we giving our girls in life when we're telling them almost from the womb that they have to look and act like sluts to be cool?

134 Herr M, yes, but it used to be men were taught self control. That seems not to be in the lesson plan anymore.

Yes, but the lesson plan says that if a boy notices a pretty girl, he is a rapist.  If a girl pulls a six way train under the bleachers, she's not a slut, she was raped.

135

Girls always gave it up -- the whole "virgin until marriage" thing was a polite and charming lie society used to tell itself. 

The truism of the comment is that society required young people to at least go through the motions of courting, and dare I say, take the responsiblity of sexual reproduction, a bit more seriously than they do today.  Young men and women were held to a higher level of responsible behavior as well -- the sexual revolution was only a revolution in being allowed to act childish imho.

There, I believe is the crux of the problem.

136 Ace -- The ugly darkside of female sexuality is that displays of cruelty, violence, and inhumanity are turn-ons to many women and girls. When a gang-banger kills someone, it is a sure bet he'll have sex that night. When say, OJ or Johan Van Der Sloot, or the Petersons Scott and Drew, draw many, many, attractive, young female admirers, who could have any man, it is good clue as to what many women want: CRUELTY. VIOLENCE. SADISM. INHUMANITY. Black Actress Lauren London confesses she loves thugs, and found the scene in one gangsta rap movie where the thug shot a clerk dead for no reason "a turn on" and also "funny." Michael Vick threw his family pets into fighting dogs to be torn apart, and does not lack for female companionship and interest. Women broadly (there are exceptions) LOVE CRUELTY. Look at the vampire craze. If women would not willingly have sex with any but decent, caring, protective guys, then that is EXACTLY what men would make of themselves. Women want monsters, many of them, and it is worst among Black and Hispanic women, and least worst among Asian women, with Whites somewhere in between and sliding towards Black/Hispanic models. This is the dark side of Female Hypergamy and desire for brutal, dominant men. Nothing is more dominant than slowly killing and torturing some helpless being or animal Michael Vick and Drew Peterson (a fave among College age hotties) show this in Spades. I have no doubt that these perps were the faves of the local hotties AFTER this incident. Scott Peterson had multiple marriage offers awaiting him in prison.

137 If a girl pulls a six way train under the bleachers, she's not a slut, she was raped.

Do I want to know what a 6 way train is?

unknown jane, what you said about the date rape stuff and "take back the night" was what I wanted to say but couldn't articulate. I completely agree with you.

138 What I'm referring to is more the sexualization of the extremely young. We're at a point where people are letting their elementary school girls wear makeup, belly shirts, crotch-cutting shorts, etc.

We homeschool.  All sorts of people look at us and give us the whining "What about socialization?!!!!1??"  My answer is always "You mean like the socialization when I smoked my first joint behind the junior high, or the socialization where I got my first knobjob on the band bus?"  Tends to shut them up.

139

I taught junior college in Gary, Indiana.  It was the black side of town, not quite ghetto but not far from it.  Often when I was coming or going to or from a local store, I would open the door for a young black girl who was passing through.  The first time, the girl said nothing but got kind of an attitude on her face and just walked through.  Same for the second and third time. 

It kinda pissed me off because even the trashiest white girl will thank you for opening a door for her, but I decided not to react but just study the situation.  It kept happenning.  I watched them closely and also watched them from a distance when walking through doors with other black people.

I came to the conclusion that the girls were surprised by having the door opened for them and didn't know what to do, so they defaulted to ghetto attitude and pushed on through.  Nobody opened doors for them so they had never learned to say thank you.  Nobody respected them enough to open a door for them.

140

Wherestherum,

Exactly. *shudder* Not suprisingly, at that studio, they were far more concerned with making money than in giving a crap about their students or teachers.  They frequently pitted the teachers against the parents to avoid responsibility for management policies.  If someone spoke up, they were fired or shunned or kept from taking the classes they wanted to take, etc.  Glad I quit.

141 133 Exactly, which sends a message to little boys that it's okay to think of little girls as merely sexual beings.

I can still remember when the worst thing I worried about in junior high was being teased by boys, & that was 9 yrs ago. 

142 We homeschool.  All sorts of people look at us and give us the whining "What about socialization?!!!!1??"  My answer is always "You mean like the socialization when I smoked my first joint behind the junior high, or the socialization where I got my first knobjob on the band bus?"  Tends to shut them up.

We're looking at home schooling when our kids are that age. I've got a 2 1/2 year-old boy and a baby girl due in February. I definitely don't want them taught the lessons kids are getting in school now. If only it wouldn't scar them for life to put them in chastity belts and chain them up in their rooms until they were 21.......

I keed, I keed!

143 the whole "virgin until marriage" thing was a polite and charming lie society used to tell itself.

True, but as you go on to say, at least they went through the motions.  The motions are now socially verboten.

144

Posted by: Mandy P. at October 29, 2009 07:34 PM (MK6Kx)

We do K12.  Love it.  Google it and see if it's available in your state.  It's still sucking off the taxpayer too, so there's that satisfaction as well.

145

Whiskey, I've wondered about that, and I think it has a bit of a biological explanation.

No matter how much tripe is trotted out about "sensitive, caring men, blah, blah", women are hard wired to desire tough men (heh, just like men are hard wired to desire a "sweet rack").  Tough men went out and slayed the enemy tribe, killed the ravaging bear, brought down the big game, and also beat the crap out of any man in the tribe who tried to steal the best farm ground for himself.   If you were hooked up to a tough and clever man, your children had a better chance of survival, and so did you.

So this Alan Alda gig that we've been trying to push on Western men has backfired on both ends: confused men who've forgotten how to be tough without being brutal (a good many of them, or at least a society that's sort of forgotten about tough, non-brutal men) but at the same time are hating the very constrained lot they've been dished out and equally confused women who don't know what they want (rude, gross chauvinist pig!...but for some reason he's soo much more exciting than Mr. Alan Alda...I don't know why...).  This is a rather brief and attenuated description, but I think you get my point.

146 136- I really think the kind of women you refer to are in the minority.

147 Mouse,

Thankfully my studio wasn't like that. They were ballet dancers so the costumes were limited anyway and only the upper level girls were even allowed to wear leotards in a color other than black.

I'm hard pressed to find anyone I know who doesn't enjoy rap or hiphop. I know there are some songs out there in those categories that talk about love (more in R&B, probably) but most of the songs I've heard just glorify thug life and slapping hos.

148

Oh, oh, are the homeschoolers coming out of the closet?

(raises hand) That's me! (since fifth grade, when I came home from school with a mouth my parents were ashamed of (language, in case anyone wants to go anywhere else with that))

Also, unknown jane, I didn't give it up til my wedding night. I was 23.  You can raise kids that way.  I'm not mythical or a "charming lie", I swear.

149 136, 145- Being attracted to dominant men is not the same thing as being attracted to brutal men. The two shouldn't be tied together.

150 Oh, and for all those who passed by or witnessed, and did nothing, one can only hope Dante knows of what he speaks.

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

151

Posted by: unknown jane at October 29, 2009 07:36 PM (5/yRG)

Authentic manhood has been under attack at least since I was born.  I had 5 older brothers, an infantry Colonel as a father, and a mother who would blow your ass away without trepidation, though.  I fully intend to raise my son to know how to skin deer and treat a woman with respect. 

There's a lot more of us out there than "Sex in the City" would indicate.  Cultural atavism doesn't die.

152 Also, unknown jane, I didn't give it up til my wedding night.

That's hot.  Really.  Men should see that as hot, too.   But that's not the direction the culture has gone.

153 I live in a town just down from Richmond, worse in some ways better in others. I do not rely on the law to keep me or my loved ones safe. I will kill to keep me and my loved ones safe. Welcome to the jungle.

154

I vaguely remembered the Kitty Genovese case from a college psych class, but I didn't know all the details.  The raper/killer/necrophiliac had his original death sentence overturned to life in prison and periodically comes up for parole.  He admitted to killing two other women, raping numerous others and burglarizing many homes.  Why this douchebag is still alive is beyond me.  I just found this on the Tru TV website:

Moseley realized he would become eligible for parole and he began a concentrated effort to gain release from prison. He read books from the prison library, and using taxpayer funds, was able to enroll in a college program. In the late 1970s, he became one of the first inmates in New York State to earn a college degree when he received a B.A. in Sociology from Niagara University. He wrote letters to newspapers and continued his campaign to obtain a parole.

During the period 1984 through 1995, Moseley appeared before the state parole board six times. His appearances were marked by his bizarre, self-serving comments to the panel, and he frequently assumed the role of societys victim. For a victim outside, its a one-time or one hour or one minute affair, but for the person whos caught, its forever, he said in 1984. People do kill people when they mug them sometimes, he added. At one parole hearing, Moseley claimed he had written a letter to the Genovese family to apologize for the inconvenience I caused. The Genovese family strongly denied receiving any such communication nor did they wish for one.

Unbelievable.  I think I read somewhere else that he last came up for parole in 2006.

155 126 I didn't read Dr. Laura's books, but someone was telling me Dr. Laura said girls give it up too easily nowawdays. Because of that, guys don't take the time and effort to court them like they used to. Dating was an investment and if it didn't work out with a girl, oh, well move on. Since girls are willing to give it up for nothing, why bother trying? I think she may be onto something. Posted by: wherestherum at October 29, 2009 07:22 PM I used to listen to Dr. Laura every morning when they had her on WJR 760AM here in the Detroit area. So I can confirm that yes she does say this all the time. The problem is, while some girls may agree that she is on to something, everyone has a different opinion as to when is the right time to "give it up". The standard conservative opinion is "not until marriage". But you won't find barely anyone who will agree that that is a standard for which we should strive. You'll hear people go "oh we can't possibly expect people nowadays to wait until marriage". So then we're at the completely vague "don't give it up too easily". For some that means "when we are in love", for others it's "when we are exclusive", for others it's completely different. And in each case, someone can rightfully say that the girl is still "giving it up too easily". Really, if men knew they couldn't have sex with a woman unless they were married to her, they would go to much greater lengths to woo women. And take sex much more seriously. But, pretty much the majority of our culture agrees "you can't expect people to wait to have sex until marriage"... thus, the point of "giving it up too easily" is moot. Because basically any girl who is giving sex up to a guy without being married is "giving it up too easily".

156

Wherestherum,

I still cringe when I hear rap or hiphop, solely based on my experience with it at that studio.  Even though the dancers were required to use the "Disney" versions of those songs. 

157 True, but as you go on to say, at least they went through the motions.  The motions are now socially verboten.

Birth-control pills pretty much killed off even the fiction of female chastity before marriage. When you divorce sex from the baby-making aspect, it becomes simply...recreation. So it's no surprise that people treat the whole thing rather cavalierly nowadays.

Women now seem to be going through a vogue where it's cool to be "polyamorous" or lesbian or bisexual. The act of coitus itself almost seems to be an afterthought: it seems to be more of a social phenomenon, a way of creating in-groups and out-groups. The long-term cultural impact of this kind of experimentation has yet to play itself out. No one seems to be giving much thought as to how all this freewheeling sex impacts the young 'uns: both as observers and participants.

Many girls seem to want children mostly as accessories, as living dolls they can dress up and push around in a pram and show off to their friends. The male is barely part of the equation: he's the sperm donor and financial support mechanism, but beyond that...his input doesn't seem to be particularly needed or wanted. And younger men seem to be fine with this -- it frees up a lot of time to play XBox.

When I was a wee lad, we had baseball as a way of socializing and figuring out the pecking-order. (Or, if you were a girl, softball. Because as everyone knows, girls can't play hardball.)

158 Thank God the World Series is starting.  I agree with other posters, today has been really depressing.  Hopefully, the Phillies will win.  (If the Yankees win, it will send me down into a deep, dark spiral!)

159 Save yourselves, friends. Barring a major resetting of the table, the gentlemen in question and their compadres from south of the border will own America by mid century. We will be a despised and hunted minority in our own land. May God and the Founders have mercy on our souls, because these people certainly will not.

160 I can still remember when the worst thing I worried about in junior high was being teased by boys, & that was 9 yrs ago. 

Posted by: Miss'80sB at October 29, 2009 07:34 PM (zmiSr)

Texas isn't Richmond, Ca. Not yet anyway. The larger cities are mostly there.

161 This "we have no respect for women" thing the feminists keep puking out infuriates me.  From time immemorial men have protected women, even at the risk of their own lives.  "Women and children first," anyone?  Which, I note, still applies and happens despite all the squawking about "equality."  Men regularly step in, at risk to their own lives, to protect women in all sorts of cases.  We seem to be hardwired to do it.
Which makes crimes like this all the worse.  These "men" have twisted their minds to the point that they can overcome millions of years of evolution.

162 Why this douchebag is still alive is beyond me

We are a society that can't summon the will to put a bullet in Khalid Sheik-Muhammad's head.  Why does this surprise you?

163

Herr Morgenholtz,

Thanks.  My man thought so, too. ;-)

And, as far as is it's in my control, my sons will be brought up to respect women and my daughters to respect themselves.  "Be the change you want to see in the world", right?

164 Women have the society they voted for. Not y'all, but the majority voted for this shit..

165

Authentic manhood has been under attack at least since I was born. 

Don't know when you were born, but it was already dead in my family in the 70's.  I was raised by libtards who just couldn't understand why I kept getting into fights and got disruptive in class.  I mean, they made sure I didn't have any acceptable outlets for aggression or energy, so what more could they do? 

Fortunately, they missed the part about religion being the opiate of the masses, and my rampage was tempered somewhat by taking religion seriously.  Then I got lucky and became clinically depressed at the onset of puberty.  Probably the only reason I didn't get thrown in jail during my teens.

166

Posted by: Mætenloch at October 29, 2009 07:26 PM (z843g)

Heh!  That's funny--all boobs and no brain (there's no head!) 

167 57 Many girls seem to want children mostly as accessories, as living dolls they can dress up and push around in a pram and show off to their friends.

I know so many girls who are like this. Many of them received little love as children & were sexually abused by a relative. They think that having a baby to love will help ease their hurt & pain, because babies love unconditionally.* But babies aren't toys, & they don't remain infants forever. Sounds obvious; but it isn't, really.

*I've actually had that said to me multiple times

168 Don't know when you were born, but it was already dead in my family in the 70's.

1970.  But Blazer is still a hell of a lot older than me.  I heard Alzheimer's left him for someone younger.

169

rape = capital offense 

They should never have changed that.

 

 

 

170

MTV? co conspirators?  So, let me get this straight, all the shit conservative have been saying for 40 years about shit music is true.

Damn, I am shocked.  Wonder if the MSM will admit it?

Not a fucking chance.

In the boys defense, boys are treated like second class citizens by the school, so maybe they can go over the edge?

Nah, these fuckers are just thugs,

Jail baby. 

They'll learn about rape soon enough.

 

171

Garrett,

In cases like this, I agree totally.  It's not about revenge.  It's about making sure it never happens again.

172 They think that having a baby to love will help ease their hurt & pain, because babies love unconditionally

No child should have to suffer with a mother that stupid.  The baby-daddy, of course, is no where to be found in such a situation.

173 Herr M, yes, but it used to be men were taught self control. That seems not to be in the lesson plan anymore. And in the Islamic world men just blame the women for their lack of self control. Posted by: wherestherum at October 29, 2009 07:24 PM It also used to be that all women were taught not to dress and act like whores. That seems not to be in the lesson plan anymore either. Now, the act of rape is fully on the man. When a woman says no, it's over. Period. I know from experience of this happening. My college girlfriend and I decided we desperately wanted to know how it felt without me wearing a condom. Now, she was on birth control as well, but we always used both to be 'safe'. Well, this one time we decided to not use a condom. I was in for about 5 seconds when she started bawling and told me to get out. Immediately without a second thought, I was out, beside her, holding her and asking her what was wrong. She said she was so afraid that she was going to get pregnant from us not using a condom and it scared the bejeezus out of her. We never tried that again. So I don't buy it when I've had two girls tell me that they made out with a guy, got almost all the way to intercourse, but then decided they wanted to stop, but the guy said "well, it's too late now" and kept going. There is never a point where it's too late to stop and it is never an excuse to keep going after a girl says no, even if she wanted it at first. No means no. But, it is a little odd that the general opinion of men by women in our culture is that we are just a bunch of sexualized, idiot cavemen, yet at the same time women think so highly of men to have perfect self control in the face of women teasing men with seductive clothing and actions. Women are not 'asking for it', but they are playing with fire in a lot of cases, assuming that all men are gentlemen. What needs to happen is males need to get back to being gentlemen and females need to get back to being ladies.

174

meh.  Women who think babies love unconditionally never had one.

Babies take unconditionally, at least for the first couple years.  My two year old is starting to give back, but not without a lot of investment first.  And his daddy is around.

175 Mouse: Also, unknown jane, I didn't give it up til my wedding night. I was 23.  You can raise kids that way.  I'm not mythical or a "charming lie", I swear.

Thank you for that.  You are a light shining in the darkness.  I hope my daughter and two sons will be as well.

176 Very true. Here's a figure from 35,000 years ago. Archaeologists call it a 'fertility figurine' but any guy knows it's really a porn statue. Men have been objectifying women for a long time.

Posted by: M鎡enloch at October 29, 2009 07:26 PM (z843g)

--Back then, though, although men were chauvinistic and in many cases may have hated women on some level, a lot of it was probably out of envy for women's life-giving power, which was mytholigized and deified.

Much societal hatred for women now seeks to deny even the very concept of womenhood, of any "otherness" from men.  Look at how motherhood is treated, and how having an unexpected pregnancy is a "punishment."

177 Old guy, thanks.  I'm sure yours will be as well.

178 meh.  Women who think babies love unconditionally never had one.

No. Shit.  It's not up to kids to love unconditionally.  That's the parents' job.  Kids are selfish, manipulative (you ain't hit the fun part yet), and generally expensive pains in the ass.  But you love them unconditionally, and you can't help it.  It's great being a parent.  Frustrating, keeps you broke, (I literally just got hit in the head with an empty Pixie Stix), but, it's worth it.

179

You want to be the husband or the wife?

Er, I'll be the husband.

OK, come one up here and suck your wife's dick.

Jose, his first night in prison.

180 Fatherlessness. It's not a minority problem, it's a fatherlessness problem. I'll betcha. Ann Coulter has a chapter in "Guilty" about this.

181 If women would not willingly have sex with any but decent, caring, protective guys, then that is EXACTLY what men would make of themselves. Women want monsters, many of them, and it is worst among Black and Hispanic women, and least worst among Asian women, with Whites somewhere in between and sliding towards Black/Hispanic models. This is the dark side of Female Hypergamy and desire for brutal, dominant men. Posted by: whiskey at October 29, 2009 07:27 PM Exactly. You can see this on a certain level with the "bad boy" in high school and with the whole idea of sleeping with the rich married businessman. For some reason, many women are attracted to "power".

182 Does anyone remember when "females" replaced using "women" and "girls" in speech? Is this relatively new or did I just miss it and why is it used instead?

183 Does anyone remember when "females" replaced using "women" and "girls" in speech? Is this relatively new or did I just miss it and why is it used instead?

Posted by: Shannon at October 29, 2009 08:04 PM (niZOC)

I never stopped.  "Female" is used when I'm talking about farm animals.  I prefer "ladies", when appropriate.

184

Herr Morgenholz,

Clearly, you speak from experience.  I mean, come on, would someone without kids be able to visualize the empty pixie stik?  But, it made me laugh.  And I totally agree.  My two-year-old is manipulative.... with his dad.  He's already figured out that I'm more stubborn than he is (what a battle that was!), but he loves me anyway.   Though, as the oldest of eight, I know there will always be those hard stages.  Was the pixie stik from trick-or-treating?  I'm still staving off the seasonal sugar high with mine.

185 This is one of the giant Piixie Stix, empty and found under the couch, undoubtedly.  Probably came from the concession stand at the park during one of "Duh Boy's" soccer games.  He's now beating his sister with it.  It's a Light Saber, at the moment.

186 Now they're fighting over the light switch.  I could tweet this shit and call it "My Kids and The Pain in the Ass They are."

187

I can understand the JO's that committed this crime...their thugsx10...

what freaks me out is all the people that stopped and watched it or took pictures of it and went home...sick, real sick.  I think we look at real life as if it is a TV show, we're voyeurs with no responsibility?...or at least the young people in this crime did.

188 Ah, childhood.  Time of peace, joy, innocence.  I'll never forget that my one-year-old son (same boy, a year ago), knew exactly what to do with a plastic sword, a plastic gun and a plastic lightsaber... and he's never watched a violent movie in his life.  Where do they come up with these things?

189 what freaks me out is all the people that stopped and watched it or took pictures of it and went home...sick, real sick.

Not long ago I read an interview from a Detroit alternative newspaper.  The interviewee was an old homeless guy who relayed the story of wandering into a deserted house and seeing a chick doing a dog while a dozen guys stood around and cheered.  She got a rock of crack for putting on the show.  The old hobo was distraught over it.  And he was a professional street person.

190

Posted by: Mouse at October 29, 2009 08:11 PM (GF971)

To a boy, all objects become weapons.  That is highly relevant to this discussion.

191

Yeah - we should totally wipe out Judeo-Christian values.  It's all their fault. :sarcasm off:

Can anyone else see that the more those values are ridiculed and discarded, the worse our society gets? There's no firm definition of right and wrong.  People can't tell the difference.  There's no accountabililty.

Don't post the Ten Commandments because they're religious.  Forget that they speak to every decency a civilized society should have.  And everything Jesus taught was about how to respect the lives of others and therefore save yourselves.

Look at everything BUT THAT as guidance.  And so we end up with total shit in the Whitehouse and our govt. and our hard-won country and freedoms being sold for lies.

 

192

Herr Morgenholz,

I agree about all things being weapons.  But even my boy knows not to use them to aim at me, his sister, or his aunts or grandparents.  But I had to teach him that.  No one is teaching either these thug kids or the equally culpable by-standers.  As an interesting side note, anyone who actually cheered, at least in this state, would be legally liable for the crime itself.

193 Yeah - we should totally wipe out Judeo-Christian values.

You can't knock down a house without destroying its foundation.

194 But even my boy knows not to use them to aim at me, his sister, or his aunts or grandparents.

Duh Boy has a couple of toy guns.  We're a gun owning family.  If he aims them at someone, I snatch it out of his hand and smack him in the head with it.  He's learning.  Gun safety begins at birth in this family.

195 I can't believe people are blaming liberals for things like this.  As if this type of thing is new, or never happened before.  Bullshit.  Horrible gang rapes happen and have always happened.  They happen today in "civilized" nations such as ours, as well as so-called third world nations run by despots.  The only thing new about it is the internet and 24 hour news networks.  We just hear about it.

As horrible as this is, this wouln't have been anything other than local news 20 years ago.  Even if it was national news, what, a mention on the 5'o'clock news?  An article in the paper.  It's a different world alright.  We hear about every bad thing that happens anywhere.

And prison rape blows.  Who gets rewarded by turning a blind eye to prison rape?  Rapists do!  Do you really trust rapists to be just in their raping?  Absolutely punish the hell out of these assholes.  But leaving that punishment up to their fellow rapists is not an acceptable solution.

196 Amen!  I come from a gun-owning family, too.  They came late to it, though, so, as the oldest, I missed out.  I'm still thinking about getting one, though, and, if I do, safety will be the priority.  And my boy will learn how to use one properly when he's old enough, having learned now that there are certain thigns you don't point it at.  How old is yours?

197 Slough, that was a coherent, logical, and well taken comment, with thought and much truth behind it.  Your troll-fu has weakened, oh douchebaggy one.

198 I am so f'n sick of thug culture.

Come on, how else you gonna get to be a partial owner of an NFL team.

199 Duh Boy just turned 5.  The girls are 9 and 8.  Good, good kids.  That's my wife.  If it was just me, they'd be assholes like their old man.

200

<i>The problem isn't that we're raising boys who don't respect girls.</i>

I don't anyone raised these boys, period. 

201

Herr Morgenholz,

That's probably the homeschooler coming out in them. ;-)  I worked at a living history museum for six summers and we could always recognize the homeschoolers.  They were the polite, well-spoken, well-educated, obedient, curious, intelligent, didn't jump on the historical furniture types.  And that speaks well of *both* parents.  It would be a funny old world if we were all exactly like our mothers.

202 Various museums, etc. around us have homeschool days where admission is free or really cheap.  It's amazing the lack of "apeshit" behavior compared to other situations we've seen with a bunch of kids running around.  I think that it comes from never being in a situation where each adult is responsible for 25 kids, thereby giving the kid an opportunity to learn that adults can be fooled.

203 I'm out for a while.  Nice talking to you, Mouse.

204 I think it comes from the fact that the homeschooled kids have someone who loves them enough to figuratively whack them upside the head when they're out of line.  A teacher in a room full of twenty-five kids can't and won't, in all, except sometimes the most egregious cases (based on my observation of literally hundreds of school groups on field-trip days).  Homeschooling parents also are able to recognize and encourage good traits.  Based on my few years in private school, teachers don't do this.  They simply can't care about every child enough.  Parents can and do.  Hence, different behavioural standards and practices.  Just my two cents.

205 Ciao, Morgenholz.  Nice talking to you, too.

206

the spectators are even a more disturbing aspect. as to this case being a young girl, we saw from the case yesterday torture suffering and rape were perpetuated on both a male and female.

while the tool might be sex in both cases, i don't believe it's only about sexualizing, it's more  about causing suffering  and pain to another male or female,

the youth , do many of them seem empty, and i disagree they have no regard for anything, they do for their chosen peers, they'd likely shoot anyone that perpetuated this on one of their chosen groups member, they have become like packs of ravening dogs.

all the onlooking should be jailed . all the torturers should never be out in society again. 23 hours of lock up a day? i see no reason for any break at all except to eat, use the restroom.

they not only destroy that victim, they destroy our societies. 

 

207

148 -- I was not making a statement in regards to individuals; if a person waits until marriage, great.  It just hasn't been as much a sure thing as many have been led to believe that it was -- premarital sex is not a new invention; what has changed is how it has been viewed (to some extent).  I really think the over mythologization of this is part of the problem (a problem our grand or great grandparents weren't as subjected to thanks to media not being as prevalent back then, that, and they tended to marry earlier which also cut down considerably on the problem I think).

On one hand, we have people preaching (yes preaching) "wait until your married" as some shining moral ideal from some golden age (that never existed) and not taking it from a pragmatic stance; on the other, we have children who are being, let's be blunt, turned into pornographic subjects (due to some other, conflicting ideal or so it seems).  There is no happy, pragmatic middle in the way we approach sexuality, and we pay for it.

208

The Knoxville case was not prosecuted as a hate crime for obvious (to liberals) reasons.  However, I'm confident that justice will be carried out regardless, as it was in the Shephard and Byrd cases.

209 It occurred to me that these onlookers were no different than Ted Kennedy looking at a struggling Mary Jo and saying "sorry, but I gotta go".

210 It's sad when we have to rely on the prison population to mete out justice.  We all know there will be some bleeding heart lawyer who will plead with the court that they are just boys and so young don't send them to the cruel, mean prison.  Fxxk em.  They deserve exactly what I hope they get in the slammer. It won't be Mayberry punks.

211 All this talk about what pains in the ass kids are reminds me of my own mom. She'd be talking to a friend of hers on the phone, and I'd be dorking around somewhere nearby, and the conversation would go something like this:

"Oh, yeah, I love kids! Aren't they great? They're such--GODDAMMIT WILL YOU SHUT THE HELL UP FOR TWO SECONDS! I'M ON THE PHONE! KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF BEFORE I COME IN THERE AND WHALE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU! Anway, what was I saying? Yeah, kids, they're a treasure."

212

You might be gone by now, Herr - but I'm glad to see that you are raising your children to be good and proper people.  You deserve accolades for being the thoughtful and responsible parent that you are.  Well done, sir.

 

 

213 And no, I don't think anyone raised the perps; probably a fair few of the onlookers were not raised by anyone but their peer groups either.  I suppose this could be tied into how we've so devalued sexuality/reproduction, confused gender roles, and destroyed societal stops on inappropriate behavior that the family unit was bound to diseintegrate under the pressure.  Seattle's right, gang rape also isn't a new invention; I think what is new is the prevalence of it, and the disturbing trend of seeing it as a rather commonplace occurance -- it's like society has given up on trying to really rein in the problem already.

214 If you're unconscious it can't be rape rape.It's funrape and that's fun, not rape rape. Free the Richmond Four! Power to the people!

215 Someone better screencap the comments here ASAP. Ace will no doubt send this post down the ol' memory hole once someone dares to type a politically-incorrect sentence or two.

216 Mouse, if teachers were allowed to whack kids upside the head for misbehaving, maybe public school would be a smidge better. But the litigiousness of society has hog tied the good teachers from being able to discipline kids. Sending them to detention might hurt their feelings or something. I think they should bring back wooden rulers, imho.

217

We're raising a large number of children who are all of the following:

1. desensitized to violence

2. abused / uncared for by the dominant adults in their lives

3. bombarded with sexual and violent images from the cradle

4. repeatedly told that their value rests in their attractiveness

5. taught that belief in God is hokey, phony, hypocritical, evil, etc.

6. taught that women are nothing but hos and bitches

7. taught that killing a baby is just a lifestyle choice

8. pumped full of various prescription (and illegal) drugs

9. taught that their net value to society is ZERO

It's very simple.  Some people/organizations are TOO BIG TOO FAIL (see AIG, the federal government, celebrities, politicians, liberal elites, etc.).

THE REST OF US ARE TOO SMALL TO MATTER.

That poor, drunken girl was too f**king small to matter.

To anyone. 

218 On todays show we are going to explore the causes of funrape and how we can keep it out of the newspaper. ...cue polite audience clappage...

219 Alex... I'll take rape for $200

220 We are a society that can't summon the will to put a bullet in Khalid Sheik-Muhammad's head.  Why does this surprise you?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 29, 2009 07:45 PM (qWLc4)

Fuck the bullet, we can't even pour some water down his throat without some asshole bitching.

221 Where's that useless Kenyan on this??? The SOB has an opinion on everything else under the sun.

222 The Knoxville case was one of the few crimes...and there have been quite a few...that deserve death by the gimp.

223 I'm available...if you'll either bring me my victims or unchain me so I can go to them. BTW, you wouldn't happen to have a brewski would ya?

224 My last post was 223. cute

225 Hey, I got an idea. How about not jumping to conclusions about how the culture does or doesn't respect women, or value life or is generally an SOB based on one anomalous incident? There's what, 300million people here? So every day somewhere there's someone doing something that's "1 in a million". Maybe it's a guy cutting his own head off with a chain saw, maybe it's a gang raping a defenseless girl for two hours in front of witnesses. Either way, a bunch of hair pulling and wailing and stamping in these cases is mainly an act of mental masturbation. Until, of course the media government complex gets ahold of it.

Maybe, if we're lucky, there won't be another "hate crime" law based on this incident. But frankly, I expect one sometime before the mid terms - it will make great copy. One things for sure, based on something that's less than a 1 in 100,000 likelyhood, every frikken parent in this country with a girl child will be standing outside every frikken dance they go to because people are too damn ignorant of how the media microscope works and what real likelyhoods mean.
 

226

K,

Do you have kids?  Would you just shrug it off if you found out your daughter was raped in public for two hours to an audience who approved?  Sure, they're all isolated incidents... until it's your kid.  Some of us would like to make sure it doesn't happen to ours.  That's why we discuss solutions.  If you're not contributing to the discussion, why are you bothering to pontificate to us?

227

"They did not respect humans, period."

exactly.

since these paticular individuals don't respect humans, should humans respect them?

reap what you sow?

eye for an eye?

i feeling pretty "eye for an eye"

 

 

228 Mouse,
I'd blow their heads off with a shotgun and take my chances with twelve.  I'm sick of these violent sociopaths pulling this shit and getting away with it.

229 215 Someone better screencap the comments here ASAP. Ace will no doubt send this post down the ol' memory hole once someone dares to type a politically-incorrect sentence or two.

Posted by: RJ at October 29, 2009 09:03 PM (ADbI4)

Yeah, this blog is so politically correct. 

If you don't like it here then fuck off.  Go start a blog called dipshit.com.  See how long it takes you to attract as many readers as our mighty Ewok leader.

Whiny bitch.

230

Where's that useless Kenyan on this??? The SOB has an opinion on everything else under the sun.

The TOTUS had a whole diatribe composed for him, but then he found out that the young girl wasn't a Mengelian infanticist like George Tiller.  So Barry ate a waffle and took a nap instead.

231 Isn't it against the law not to report a crime?  Aren't witnesses who fail to do so just as guilty as the perpertrator in the sight of the law?

232

Posted by: K at October 29, 2009 09:27 PM (0byh7)

I'm pickin' up what you're layin' down.  And there's no question that our 24 hour media has turned these hiccups in society into some type of porn.

At the same time, I can't help but notice that the race to the bottom is so outside most people's experience that note is being taken.  I come from Viking stock. Fact is, gang rape is not a Viking thing at all, despite what you read.  Farming is, if you read history.  But you screw just one nun.......  But that's not what we're talking about. 

This act was a total repudiation of society and the cultural more.  Cultures are repudiated all the time.  But in mass?  People are grasping for an explanation of why we are turning on our own culture.

233

"Three minors — 15, 16 and 17 — are each charged with felony rape with a foreign object"

WTF? Is this pro-wrestling?  Was Mr. Fuji standing in the shadows?

234

@98: "I also don't rape the shit out of them."

You save that for the Post-No.6 Dance?

235

@170: "Jail baby.  They'll learn about rape soon enough."

Um, I'm guessing you never saw the special about Richard Speck then?  Maybe they'll have a hard time of it, but I'd wager not.  They might spend their sentences partying balls like Speck did, or maybe they'll become predators in the jail, too.

236

#236

If  these are hispanics raping a black girl, they are dead meat.

If they raped another hispanic, they a someones whore or dead.

 

237 Dumb doesn't begin to describe Patti Fisher, the Merc columnist.  She's a major lib sob sister who always conjures up the same boogeymen(women).  What Patti doesn't discuss is the misogynistic culture of the gangs these young men run with, the music they listen to, and the ethnic groups they belong too.  Can't talk about that because it's not PC.  Instead, Patti looks at these young men as if they were just middle class Tads wearing letter jackets while flipping through Daddy's porn stash and dreaming of the babe in the "Hot Chick" shirt in homeroom.

Not a week goes by in Richmond that there isn't a driveby shooting, murder, execution-style slaying, gangbanging, mugging, beating, or major drug bust in Richmond.  The place is a cesspool.  Any one with half a brain avoids the place.  I used to go to appointments in Richmond for work... my companion of choice was my Glock 9mm.  The only way this will ever change is when, and if, the people who live there rise up and say "enough"  'cause it's usually one of their own that pays the price for the gangsta culture.

238 And so it proceeds....
"And I know there's no law to get to such just punishment"
But yes, there is.
So, three dusty travelers were wandering down the road to Gamora (sp?).
Yeah, sounds like a road show song... On the road to Gamora...

Anybody got a quick reference to Lot and the blast of a party at Gamora?  It's a rockin' story.

I've been watching this closely and trying so very hard not to take judgment into my own hands.

239 Isn't it against the law not to report a crime?  Aren't witnesses who fail to do so just as guilty as the perpertrator in the sight of the law?

No.  Under our legal system, wrong can be punished but right cannot be required.  So, these creeps are as innocent as newborn lambs, in the eyes of the law.

240 Avenge me, boys.  Avenge me.

241 Let Sheriff Joe (Tx) issue them pink underwear and prison uniforms with 'I raped a 15 year old, printed on the back and put them in Ca's toughest prison. 30 days would be a long survival time.

242 As it's been a bit of a meta topic, I see a very basic problem with vigilante thoughts.

Namely, that it will never happen.  Charles Bronson, Liam What'sHisFace, SamJacksonInThatLawyerMovie.  Never happens in real life.  And when we indulge in it, like masturbation, it lets off steam.  To no effect.

It'd be great if every time we read a story like this, there was an ever greater pushback against soft sentencing, absent fathers, and the generally fucked up societal mores of the day.

Yes, as men (or as a parent more generally), we're charged with protecting ours but we can only do that to a certain degree.  Once they leave our sight, it becomes ever less sound.  As a society, we have to start focusing on changing laws and changing the culture.

Charles Bronson won't do shit for you.  Voting for open carry, putting cops on the streets and taking over school boards might.

243 All of this talk from the media about men not respecting women and nary a word on the gangster/thug Norteno and Sureno culture of Hispanic teens in California. Can't talk about that.  No, siree...

CNN and MSNBC may be shocked by this kind of behavior, but I can't imagine the producers of The History Channel's Gangland are surprised.

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245 A year ago, this would have been W's fault.  But now?  Probably still W's fault....

246

what freaks me out is all the people that stopped and watched it or took pictures of it and went home...sick, real sick

I know how to deal with these swine...

247 So, these creeps are as innocent as newborn lambs, in the eyes of the law.

Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at October 29, 2009 11:07 PM (61tK5)

The girl was fifteen. Seems like they could at least make the cretins with cameras life miserable under child pornography laws.

248 Richmond is like Oakland, except without the A's.

249

"When the law is too mild, private vengeance comes in." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Compensation"

 

250

are people not willing to stop such barbaric actions because they don't want to be viewed as "racist"? Is this a consequence of PC culture and multiculturalism and moral relativism?

Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes. Thank you, liberal Demunists.

 

251

In the prior thread while someone was trying to make this about race, I was thinking the whole time "How many of the involved (rapists and casual watchers) came from two parent homes?

Mom love is "You're so wonderful. I'll love you no matter what!"

Dad love is "You better get your shit straight or I'll kick your ass!"

I'm a mom -I bite my tongue sometimes when I think my husband is being too tough on our kids.  I keep meeting the teenagers raised with only mom-love, and I do not want my kids to be remotely like them.  They seem to have no clue that other human beings exist for reasons other than serving them. They are selfish to the point of autism.

Every human being seems to need both kinds of parenting; too many kids right now seem to be damaged by having approval without standards or consequences. 

Not a knock on those who have lost the other parent through no fault of their own.  Just an observation - particularly of those who have one kid after another without ever having had the intention of a two-parent home anywhere along the way.  Also, obviously, not a statement that single-parenting leads invariably to felonies.  Just an observation, that the concern for others that Ace mentions seems to be lacking to some degree in the kids with no Dad figure in their lives.

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Geraldo Rivera wanting to spit on Michele Malkin for her views on immigration.

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253 -- Yes, and no.  I've known single moms who were successful at raising their kids (it was hard, and they probably would have been more successful if there had been another parent in the picture).  I've seen two parent homes that did an awful job.

The big factor -- at least what I've seen -- is this: the homes that were successful at raising kids were homes where the parent(s) were respectful of  society's rules and laws for the most part, and had a very defintite set of rules in the home that were consistently enforced.  The homes in question also valued education and/or some sort of gainful work responsiblity (the kids had chores they were expected to do and they were expected to at least do passably well at school).  It was easier for the families with two parents due to sharing of the burden of parenting, but I have found that single parents who followed this were more successful than a two parent family that didn't follow this, or even a two parent family in which one parent would not (this was actually the worst situation, from my observations).

From my experience, these other factors also counted:  the successful single mothers weren't necessarily against having a two parent household, rather they would have preferred it, but let's face it -- it's often hard for a single mom to find a new, suitable husband; they were also homes in which the single mom displayed a strong work ethic and set of moral rules (not always Christian, but still a set of rules which coincided with a civil society) -- aka. not your stereotypical welfare/crack whore single moms, nor even moms who considered it society's responsiblity to take care of them (many did have to draw welfare, but it was not considered an ideal state of existence -- something to try and get off of...they wanted to maintain their parental autonomy in their households and viewed the social workers as chipping away at that, which to some extent I believe they did).

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It's not that they don't respect women, they hate women.  That's the whole key to Hip Hop.

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