1

Boy, I can hardly wait for the President's remark so we can hear not about how these individuals lost their lives in service of their country, but more about his favorite topic, namely, himself.

 

2 Respect my diversitah!!!

3 Who the fuck hoots and cheers at a memorial service?!?!?

4 Purple Hearts: earned - yes. awarded - we'll see.

5 Fbi raiding mosque Hasan attended as we speak.  Meanwhile, imam and mosque leaders attending the memorial.  Gloating, I suspect.
"Outrageous" said momma.

via weasle zippers. (go momma, go.)

6 Were they really cheering at a memorial service?

7 Casey up to celebrate diversity.

8 Drudge says Obama embraces the "stress" defense for Hasan.

9 Prayers for the families.

10 Fuck Obama he is not worthy to shine one of those soldiers boots.

11 Seriously did they really cheer? God that would be freakin pathetic.

12 Mr. Pink--there were cheers when the Obamas entered.

I feel so sick for the families.

13 Prayers for the victims families. 

I had already cheered for the flames of hell to be licking that slime Hasan before they told us he survived.  Now, I hope he finds out what real abuse is, and I don't mean the vicarious kind.

14 It's times like these I wish we had a patriot as president.

15

Well tell me when you hear "Yes we can" chants.

16
Who the fuck hoots and cheers at a memorial service?!?!?

Why, President Shout-Out's entourage, of course.

17 It's times like these I wish we had a patriot as president.

+1

I miss Bush.

18 Who the fuck keeps cheering this motherfucker?

19 Does Obama cart a "cheering section" around with him in his motorcade?

20 I'm sorry but it has to be Obama operatives doing the hooting and hollaring for Obama; our soldiers would have too much decorum for that.

I miss Bush a lot.

21

I wish I could see this crap on the TV. Is the cheering loud where he has applause breaks? Are you telling me at a freakin memorial service with soldiers boots out front there are freakin people clapping and jumping around? For f#ck sake.

22 It sounded like a small faction of sycophants.  The screamed like they were attending a rock concert.

23

Well screw it, did he at least bring his Greek columns then? If his supporters are going to turn a freakin memorial service into an Obama cheering concert the least he coulda done was bring his props.

24

The crowd cheers Obama at a Memorial Service?

We are truly lost.

25 A sharp kidney punch and a fade is what these shout out dorks need. Not really. Just say'in

26 They all earned their Purple Hearts. I dare BHO not to award them.

27 This makes me wanna get out.

28 Seriously the guy brings a fuckin photography crew to photograph him saluting our caskets and a fuckin cheering section (I am sure by coincidence) occurs during a memorial service he attends for service members.

29 Cheering at a memorial service? Have they no dignity?

30 Wait a minute, so far at least 3 of the dead were counselors of some sort who were deploying to treat soldiers with PTSD and other stress issues?

Funny, none of them picked up a pistol and shot the place up.

Of course, none of them seem to be Muslim.

I now denounce and ban myself for Thoughts Against Diversity.

31 We knew lefties weren't classy. Ever. They hate the soldiers so of course they would cheer their hero, teh Won. I'm so disgusted at the anti-American, anti-military asswipes that live in our country. *spit*

32 No, actually it is NOT hard to comprehend why this was done.  Fucking douche.

33

My one hope, which won't be realized, is that the 12 soldiers are not referred to as 'victims'. They are casualties of war, as much as if they had been killed by an Islamic terrorist in Afghanistan or Ira.

from Fox:

Obama:  Hasan May Have 'Cracked' from 'Stress'

JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS: Philosophically, what separates an act of violence from an act of terrorism?
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Well, look, we -- we have seen, in the past, rampages of this sort. And in a country of 300 million people, there are going to be acts of violence that are inexplicable.

The Commander-in-Chief says their deaths are the result of an "inexplicable" act of violence.  That makes them plain vanilla victims.  Obama doesn't see any terrorists, just the PTSD BS that his amigos in the media have been trying to sell us.

34 The shouting sounded like mostly females.   My best guess would be they were female civilian employees of the African American contingent.

Or the press.

35 "It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy."

... This was an attack. A savage terror attack by a jihadi.

36 Stupid fuck had to bring his teleprompters, too.  No sincere, heartfelt remarks from this guy.  *spits*

37 Why work so hard to avoid the inevitable conclusion? Is there ever going to be an incident that will rise to the level of terrorism, or are they going to just keep moving the goalposts further and further back?

38 Dumb people will be the death of us. They've just started with electing Hussein.

39 Here comes the diversity bullshit.

40
Barack Hussein Obama and his wookiee going to Hood just makes me want to vomit. 

41
they're probably members of the Army, sadly

Obama supporters are the worst of the worst, I don't care who they are.

42 This has to be a "special" open-to-civilian memorial.  The ones I've been to while in are somber and serious, no room for this kind of crap.  It's about the lost, and culminates in a "roll call"....

"Jennings!"
"Present, First Sergeant!"
"Jones!"
"Present, First Sergeant!"
"Goering!"
...
"Goering!"
...
"Goering!"
-- taps plays --

I don't care what kind of bad-ass you are, that shit makes you ball like a baby.  Ain't no damned room for no cheering.

So...fucking...lame

43 Hear that?  Gunman, gunman, gunman, gunman.

There is your story MSM, march with it!

44 Yeah, and I don't want to hear another damn thing about a fucking tragedy, this was fucking attack on the United States of America. Got that General Casey?

45 So he has his freakin teleprompter there too? Ugh, times like this I seriously wonder why I even pay attention. Why not just simply not care?

46 Hard to imagine groupies cheering for Lincoln at Gettysburg.

47 #36  Peaches,  The word heartfelt does not enter the mind of this cold, cold, Communist. He has been trained quite well by his masters.

48 Obama today:

It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know — no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world, and the next.


Obama in Cairo.

I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

49 We are so screwed...and on so many levels...God help us.

50 That's my answer, then: All future acts of islamic terrorism against Americans are going to be explained away as being the result of our actions. We are not allowed to defend ourselves and we deserve what's coming to us, apparently.

51 Fbi raiding mosque Hasan attended as we speak.  Meanwhile, imam and mosque leaders attending the memorial.  Gloating, I suspect.
"Outrageous" said momma.

via weasle zippers. (go momma, go.)

Posted by: Derak

HooRah!

52 deaths are the result of an "inexplicable" act of violence.

Splodydopes detonating at malls will be similarly "inexplicable" to these douchnozzles too.

53 "Twisted logic?" Not really, just a straight forward reading of the Koran.

54 Funny I don't remeber Obama ever referring to the war in Iraq as extending the chance for self government.I thought it was an illegal war of choice.

55
 I don't see anything about mosques being raided on WZ.  Link?

56 refuah shlema. condolences to the  grieving families and the healing to those that survived.

57 Maybe "America Alone" will get renewed attention after this. It should, if there were any justice left in the world.

58 Amazing Grace.  Finally, something appropriate and heartfelt. RIP, brave souls.

59 I wanted to ask, not knowing much about military custom, what the helmet/rifle/boots signifies.  Yeah, I know it represents a fallen soldier, but does it represent anything beyond that?  I only really saw them previously in war zones, and I know (it's in movies, so it's real, right?) that they used them as a grave marker for soldiers on occassion.  Does having them present at the memorial indicate their in a war zone (I seriously doubt this, or poli-weenies would take the display down) or has that symbol come to be a catch-all for a fallen soldier, regardless of circumstance?

60 FBI? Didn't they announce within hours of the mass murders that islam and/or terrorism had nothing to do with it. Someone in that agency needs to be fired. They're scaring me. Fucking Bumbling Idiots.

61 So he has his freakin teleprompter there too?

Yeah, but imagine what he'd say if someone hadn't written appropriate-sounding remarks for him.

62 This was such a waste. Killed not in combat, but murdered by the incompetence of their government. Casualties of political correctness and it's associated stupidity. Heads should roll, careers should be over, major changes should be made, but the stupidity of political correctness runs deep in the liberal "mind". Look for them (the establishment) to do nothing save "dynamic inaction", it's all their capable of.

63
Twisted logic? The only twisted logic here is Obama and the media contorting themselves into excuses for the muslim terrorist.

64 what the helmet/rifle/boots signifies

(Don't thank me, I copied that off twitter)

65 The boots and the roll call always get to me. Accidentally stumbling into a memorial photo on the net has the same affect. I can't look at the above photo.

My heart goes out to the survivors and the loved ones. One of the fallen lived near me and was clearly a beloved husband and friend.

66 You would think they could at least get some one who can sing "Amazing Grace" instead of this caterwauling noise...

67 Chick has a set of pipes.

68 *kicks the ground in disgust

69
Note that based on the bios read by barry, none of the fallen had worked with acorn.

70 They couldn't investigate Nidal Malik Hasan because that would have pulled valuable resources away from their efforts towards Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.

God Bless these soldiers and their families.

May Hasan be deep fried in pig fat.

71 http://tinyurl.com/yfyrawu

weasel zippers on the mosque.

72 I believe this is his first speech ever in which the word "I" was not used. I will grudgingly give him good marks for this.

73 Nothing on WZ about a raid...

74 This memorial should not be taking place. It could have been prevented

75 Thanks Derak...

76 #72 Really? If true, then indeed this is good news.

77 Thirteen dead in the name of diversity.

78 I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 03:08 PM (FCWQb)

Does me saying fuck islam count?

79 Yeah, but imagine what he'd say if someone hadn't written appropriate-sounding remarks for him.

This is definitely not one of those times where you want him to improvise some remarks off the top of his head.

80 If we can't blame muslim extremism or jihad, can we blame Obama, or must we default to George Bush?

81 Judging by the comments, I'm glad I ain't watching this.  Sounds like it's another crass, narcisstic, teleprompter guided performance by teh One.

82 How about fighting against stereotypes of devout Christians, Barry?

83 it was a despicable act of terrorism against our most beloved, those that protect us.

84 That link doesn't work for me. Where are ya'll seeing this stuff?

85 #60  Dave at November   It's not a agency. It's Lynn Rosenthal.  Domestic Violence Czar. Director of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Viscious anti male femimist.

86 If our 'President' had ANY decency, he'd quell the cheering.

BUT.....

87 We are not allowed to defend ourselves and we deserve what's coming to us, apparently.

Posted by: joncelli at November 10, 2009 03:09 PM (RD7QR)

Did you miss all the 9/11 excuses?

 

88 Who the FUCK were the BABOONS cheering at a memorial-
made me sick to my stomach.

89 What a fucking shameless windbag.

90 Fuck obama

91 I came to make a neutral post, but look at so many of you fuckers politicizing the event. Obama hates america blah blah blah democrats HATE the troops blah blah. who believes this transparent nonsense? they died for diversity? some of you guys are just sick.

for the fallen, R.I.P.

92 This PC bullshit has to stop.

93 May they rest in peace.

94

The only other posibility Would be Vivek Kundra.  Information Czar.   Born in New Delhi, India. Control all public information, including labels and news releases.  Also monitors all private internet emails.

95 I came to make a neutral post...  blah blah blah....

but then you didn't....

96 I believe the prez is handing out purple hearts.

97 What's he putting by the pictures?

98 Judging by the comments, I'm glad I ain't watching this.  Sounds like it's another crass, narcisstic, teleprompter guided performance by teh One.

It's actually not nearly as bad as it might have been.  I'm pretty relieved myself. 

99 91 I came to make a neutral post, but look at so many of you fuckers politicizing the event.

No, mars, you came to be provocative.  As usual.

100 Judging by the comments, I'm glad I ain't watching this. Sounds like it's another crass, narcisstic, teleprompter guided performance by teh One. Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 10, 2009 03:18 PM (b68Df) I don't think his words were particularly inspiring but he stayed on message basically and this was not about him.

101 This is nothing more than another political photo-op for the jug-eared fuckwad. There are no words to describe what a lowlife scum dweller this guy is.

As for this:

They all earned their Purple Hearts. I dare BHO not to award them.

The rules for award of the PH will not allow it to be awarded in this instance unless this is classified as "combat" and Hasan classified as an enemy, although if it winds up being classified as a "terrorist" act they may be able to get it.

102 Windbag mars, Feel free to take your "neutral" post, along with your diagnosis of sickness and shove it up your ass.

103 Ok, mars.

Pray tell - what did they die as a result of? 

104 Ooops - sock off

105 some of you guys are just sick. You're right. We're sick - sick to our stomachs.

106 for the fallen murdered, R.I.P.

Posted by: mars at November 10, 2009 03:22 PM (797sZ)

FIFY, asshole.

107 Obama got a new,  smarter speechwriter for this piece.  Although he couldn't manage a different vocal tone other than his usual lecturing one,  the words were much better.  The speech will read better than it was delivered.

I appreciate that we didn't hear much other than a little bit about each person who was killed, and some quotes from Lincoln.

It could have been a disaster for him,  but it turned out average,  which is better than I expected.  

108 Actually, I think the prez put Loose Change cd's by their pictures.

109 Cuts to soldiers saluting, oh so respectfully, their fallen comrades.
 Now that makes me weep.

110 This is heartbreaking. 

111 Actually, I think the prez put Loose Change cd's by their pictures. Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 10, 2009 03:29 PM (GGgoa) I wonder what they were?

112
#101

Sadly I agree if the administration succeeds in pushing the PTSD meme none of those killed or wounded qualify for the Purple Heart.

113 I wonder what they were?

I'm sure fucking Katie Couric will be on to let us know.  Anyone else want to knock her down and kick her for interrupting these proceedings?

114 What's he putting by the pictures?

Presidential / CIC coin. It should be a Purple Heart.

115

Victims? Hardly.

These soldiers signed their names, took an oath, and got fitted for uniforms. At its most basic, the uniform is a message to any would-be enemy of the Republic: "I'm a legitimate target. If you have a quarrel with the United States, you take it up with me and leave civilians like FireHorse out of it. Kill me, not him."

So even if these twelve soldiers never had a chance in the particular battle where they gave their lives, especially having been taken by surprize by someone they thought was one of their own, they nonetheless fulfilled their duty.

Thank you, soldiers.

116 Challenge coins? That is what I thought.

117 I'm sure fucking Katie Couric will be on to let us know.  Anyone else want to knock her down and kick her for interrupting these proceedings?

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2009 03:32 PM (9Wv2j)

It's not the Macy's Parade, for f*cks sake, Katie.

118 This is tough to watch.

119 34 The shouting sounded like mostly females.   My best guess would be they were female civilian employees

We were otherwise occupied. 

120

"He didn't call the dead 'victims' but did call the attack a 'crime'."

Treason is a crime.

121 He's putting a Presidential coin next to each picture????  Are you f'in kidding me????  Why dosen't he just f'in take a Sharpie pen out and write on the box The Prez was here.  Good God.  Again, he makes this about him and not why he's there.

122 91 I came to make a neutral post, but look at so many of you fuckers politicizing the event. Obama hates america blah blah blah democrats HATE the troops blah blah. who believes this transparent nonsense? they died for diversity? some of you guys are just sick.

for the fallen, R.I.P.

Posted by: mars at November 10, 2009 03:22 PM (797sZ)

I'm thinking of a phrase that rhymes with "go fuck yourself, you useless piece of shit."

123 It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know — no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world, and the next.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 10, 2009 03:08 PM (FCWQb)

Well, gee, I guess what we have here is a failure to communicate.  Because in Maj. Hasan's belief system, a just and loving God not only looks on such acts with favor, He demands those acts from His elect.  And His justice in the next world for the perpetrators of such acts is not eternal torment, but a special place at His right hand.  I wonder if President Obama will have a sit-down with Maj. Hasan or the latter's spiritual advisers and get his Salafist education on.

124

Well Drew,

It's a good thing we got that grinding war of attrition with the enemy.  How's that working out for you, BTW?  But hey, I was overreacting to the threat, wasn't I?  You fence-sitters never learn.  The only way you fight a war is by doing it totally.  You can ignore that basic point at your peril, but all you're going to do is get good soldiers killed uselessly.  I will reiterate again:  the only way we'll win this war is when (not if) we decide to kill the enemy is massive (not substantial...we've already been doing that) numbers to the point where they will quit.  So far, we've not even come close to breaking their will.  In fact, they're probably stronger than before, while our will is weakening.  You will see more shit like Maj. Hasan doing stuff.  This is only the beginning.  The question is whether we're honest enough with ourselves to understand that this is a war of survival.

125 Treason is a crime. I would prefer they prosecute this under the UCMJ and call it Mutiny and Sedition.

126

Rest in Peace, warriors.

Meanwhile...Fuck off, Prez. It's Fort Hood, not Da Hood.

127

Mat at November 10, 2009 03:55 PM (d8AS2)

I would bet a lot of money you said the same thing about Iraq at some point in time.

128

So he has his freakin teleprompter there too?

Yeah, but imagine what he'd say if someone hadn't written appropriate-sounding remarks for him.

Well played BO, stayed on script word for word.  Hate to let the mask slip again.  Especially after all the stupid shit you already said about this.  Take two Advils and call me in the morning if that neck is still sore.

129 Obama hates america blah blah blah democrats HATE the troops blah blah. who believes this transparent nonsense? they died for diversity? some of you guys are just sick.

for the fallen, R.I.P.

Posted by: mars at November 10, 2009 03:22 PM (797sZ)

Hey fuckface where were you when your cohorts and fellow travelers from Moveon and Code Pink were marching in parades with signs that said they would support the troops when they shot their officers?  When democrat leaders compared our troops to Nazis and your now President accused us of unnecessarily bombing villiages and civilians? Or when your dead hero Splash Kennedy declared that Saddam's torture chambers were now under new management, which could only refer to the military who was running the prisons?  Every soldier should tell these blah blah blah Democrats to stick your RIP where the sun don't shine. 

130

A nice speech by a nice Mohammedan.

He ate bad shit for breakfast and went crazy, yeah that's it. 

The trip to the strip club was just to see what neked girls look like, and that cry about Allah or something, shit, he was sick from that bad  breakfast, give the brother a break, OK?

131

"I'm sure fucking Katie Couric will be on to let us know.  Anyone else want to knock her down and kick her for interrupting these proceedings?"

I'd like to have Katie's colon vid re-examined.  I'm sure we'd find perfectly standard (for liberals) pathways, feeding her cranial and oral cavities.

132

Meh, the sad part is that I'm thinking this was one of his better speeches (not saying much there) and he could have done a whole lot worse (which I'm grateful for).

As for the spectators: this proves my point about the growing number of trite, jello people who lack any sense of dignity in this country.

 

Did he call it "Da Hood"?  That's a bit out of line, although that is the nickname for the place.  I don't think its nickname had any real business being said...oh well, still he could have done a helluva lot worse...must stay grateful for that.

133 Iraq and Afghanistan are not two different wars, morons. They are different fronts to the same war. One front went quiet for a while. Don't get cocky.

134 I'm torn.

On the one hand, absolutely those who were killed were casualties of war.

On the other hand, it elevates what Hasan did to an act of war and gives him a sort of status that is not appropriate for a murdering wanna-be-terrorist jihadist-poseur.

135 Prayers for the families of the fallen.  Damnation for Hassan, Islamists and their enablers, here and abroad.

136

Polynikes,

"I would bet a lot of money you said the same thing about Iraq at some point in time."

If your assumption is that I'm a war protester, you're wrong.  Go back and read my piece.  Personally I think the only way we can win this is through total war. 

However, I'll also assume that you mean that we did ok in Iraq and we didn't use total war.  Iraq is still an ongoing campaign, so while we may have beaten them for the time being, I'm still not convinced that the country will unravel after we leave (which we will by the end of 2011, BTW).  If the country doesn't go to shit, then yes, we won.  Otherwise, it's still in limbo.

And yes, I did have serious issues with the basic strategy in Iraq at the time.  Racing to Baghdad with an armored column and not securing anything?  Seriously?  We were lucky that the enemy had no strategic sense whatsoever because they could have easily mauled our supply units.  We should have moved much slower and secured southern Iraq before we moved.  Hussein wasn't going anywhere.  Meanwhile, we had the 24th Division sitting on its ass off the coast while we waited for Turkey to let it in (which it never did), so we eventually had to re-route it.  It was a poorly planned operation and it went as well as it did because the Iraqi opposition was not really that good (that's not to say that it was non-existent, and certainly wasn't a cakewalk to those who actually fought there).  That doesn't mean that soldiers can't get killed anyway, but we should have waited until we had more troops to do what we did. 

My point is that the focal point should have been eliminating the various units engaging us rather than trying to nab Hussein.   

137 Posted by: mars at November 10, 2009 03:22 PM (797sZ)

Go choke on a cock motherfucker. You're another no-class piece of shit just like your retard president and his ghetto-trash groupies. I don't give a flying fuck what your politics are, you don't howl like a filthy fucking primate at a military funeral. These were American servicemen who were gunned down, not Biggie fucking Smalls. What's next, pouring Olde English from a fucking 40 on their graves and saying "one for my dead homie"?

138 He's putting a Presidential coin next to each picture????  Are you f'in kidding me????

It might be in reference to the sort of coin-exchanges that some in the military do (my squadron tried on account it's a military-ish sort of thing and I have my "coin" somewhere still, but it never caught on. AF you know.)   I'm not quite sure how it works for those branches of the service that do it, but you're supposed to keep your prized coins on you so that you can present them on demand and then you get some sort of prize if you "win". (Like a free beer.)   Getting a coin from the President or a famous General or someone like that would be a big deal.

Symbolically, the coin to keep in their "pocket" is appropriate and rather well done.

They were commenting on Blackfive that the Pres's salute is a whole lot better than it was and that Obama must be getting coached by someone.   That someone may have suggested the coins.

139 On the other hand, it elevates what Hasan did to an act of war and gives him a sort of status that is not appropriate for a murdering wanna-be-terrorist jihadist-poseur.

Synova,

I wouldn't say he was a "wanna-be-terrorist jihadist-poseur". He was the real deal.

How many little fuckheads in A-Stan or Iraq can say they have 13 dead Americans to their 'credit'?

He's the real deal, just like any found on the battlefield.

140 Forgot to italicize the quote on my 138 comment... my bad.

141 Mat,

Some other thread please.

This isn't about you.

142

Polynikes @ 129....Good job.  Actually there are so many other examples it is difficult to capture them all

Reid.....Bush is a liar and loser

Pelosi...Bush liar/loser....CIA lies all of the time

Kerry.....soldiers terrorizing women/children in the dead of night...

Gore....Bush lied us into war

and on, and on ,  and on.  But now they want "transparency & respect".

 

RIP to our fallen soldiers.

 

 

143 Who the fuck hoots and cheers at a memorial service?!?!?

Heh!  That was nothing.  My posse put the "P" in partay!  Besides, it's better than the boos that went on at mine.

144

He's the real deal, just like any found on the battlefield.

You are so right, Drew.  Unfortunately, the media is painting him as a freaking victim.  The cognitive dissonance is just astounding.

145 Synova, I get the coin thing (got dozens of them) but I've never seen them used for a funeral ceremony.  I've seen them for farewells (living ones), a job well done, etc but not like this.  I could even understand if he was presenting the coin to family members but not this (a flag would be more appropriate for the family).  Could be just me but a medal would've been more appropriate or even a wreath.  You said it yourself, the coins are used for collections and to carry when at the bar so when challenged you present to avoid buying a round of drinks for everyone.  Fail to see how that translates here since the fallen won't be able to present their coin at the bar.

146

Drew,

"Mat,

Some other thread please.

This isn't about you."

Who ever said it was?  I'm merely asking a question and I think this is precisely the right time to ask it again.  So, I'm asking again, do we keep pulling our punches?  Do we keep giving our guys ROEs that do nothing but put them in extremely high risk situations with no expectation of gain?  Do we keep playing the PC game and keep giving free rides to Hasan and more of his buddies?  You're right about one thing.  This round went to al-qaeda.  Hey, I know where I stand on all this.  The question is whether you do.  I've said what I have to say.  Now I'll leave you to your illogical and inconsistent pontificating. 

147 hi polynikes, you hyperventilated:

"Hey fuckface where were you when your cohorts and fellow travelers from Moveon and Code Pink were marching in parades with signs that said they would support the troops when they shot their officers?"

Never heard of it. Not a member of either organization. I don't apologize for what other people do anyway. Certainly not a popular sentiment, but I guess it serves your propaganda purposes. Groups like codepink are extremely small, and don't really speak for the left. You are just used to their antics being stretched to cover the entire left, just like you are doing now, smearing everyone with comments, read very unsympathetically, by the people who think for you.


"When democrat leaders compared our troops to Nazis"

Citation please?

"and your now President accused us of unnecessarily bombing villiages and civilians?"
 
Many villages were unnecessarrily bombed, thats a sad fact, but the statement is true.

"Or when your dead hero Splash Kennedy declared that Saddam's torture chambers were now under new management, which could only refer to the military who was running the prisons?"

That was extremely strong language and an exxageration from TK, but to conflate it with hatred of the military is simplistic. again, you twist it to fit your propaganda. TK was furious about the abuse, which was real. Torture was extremely common at abu ghraib, with hundreds and hundreds of pictures telling the tale. Progressives tend to blame dehumanizing policies, mostly cooked up by Rumsfeld  (y;know, management, the word that you think "could only refer" to the military) for this, not the entire u.s. military. But again, that wouldn't fit your absurd premise that lefties hate the U.S. military.

If you really think lefties hate the military, then you are much in the habit of demonizing your fellow americans. Its easier to believe people disagree with you because they are evil, I'm sure. But most people who disagree with you are just regular folks... Its true that the left tends to romanticize the military much less and be less drooling when presented with military propaganda than right-wing nationalists, but we just consider that a part of you know, growing up.

148 145.    I could even understand if he was presenting the coin to family members but not this (a flag would be more appropriate for the family).  Could be just me but a medal would've been more appropriate or even a wreath.

Fair enough.

I just wanted to put that out there because I figure that it's best to avoid *gratuitous* criticism of Obama if we want to be taken seriously calling him to task for something real.    The "cry wolf" principle.    So I presented a possible other explanation than Presidential Narcissism figuring that it was at least possible that Obama was doing the military coin thing (maybe he wasn't, I sure don't know) and that this was an element of military culture that a whole lot of people might not be aware of.  

If so... I don't think it's *bad*.    It's not something the general public would get, so maybe it was a personal expression of sorts, which would be an improvement over past displays.

149 "...but we just consider that a part of you know, growing up."

Lefties love the military like people love helpless children.
... borderline, about to "crack", violent children.

But it's not their fault.

And the left can find compassion for a mass murderer if they can figure out how it's not his fault.

150 Progressives tend to blame dehumanizing policies, mostly cooked up by Rumsfeld  (y;know, management, the word that you think "could only refer" to the military) for this, not the entire u.s. military.

While the military and veterans blame those involved instead of the nasty politicians and the stress of war that drove them to it.

 But again, that wouldn't fit your absurd premise that lefties hate the U.S. military.

No, they only portray them as victimized humans without moral responsibility for themselves instead of respecting them and the job they do.

151

I read the text of Obama's speech (so I missed the hooting and cheering) and it seemed wholly appropriate. And I can see not handing the survivors flags; that's best left for the funerals. Besides, having the President of the United States, whoever he happens to be, at the ceremony is the highest honor these soldiers and their survivors could receive at this time.

If this is what was so important that he couldn't go to Berlin yesterday, than good for President Obama. He made the right call.

152

On the one hand, absolutely those who were killed were casualties of war. On the other hand, it elevates what Hasan did to an act of war and gives him a sort of status that is not appropriate for a murdering wanna-be-terrorist jihadist-poseur.

On the other other hand, our nation's enemies in this war utterly lack honor. As long as we're clear that this war is being fought against barbarians, then there's no danger of mistaking this son of a bitch* with the real soldiers who fought under Marshal Rommel or General Lee.

* -- I almost called him a traitor but I have too much respect for Benedict Arnold to group them together like that.

153 I would love to give Obama credit for not going to Berlin because he had to attend this ceremony, but unfortunately he had decided not to go to Germany before this tragedy  happened.

154

I'm loose with benefits of the doubt in a time like this. Surely he'd had something else planned for today. At least he canceled that.

Again, good for Obama. I know I'm applauding something that we should be able to take for granted, but . . .

. . . I don't know. It's like the first time since January I haven't been ashamed of my president. Y'know?

155

I agree. I area the test (as it was confirmed delivered) and saw it as appropriate as well. Especially since he used the presumptive belief in a judgmental afterlife against those who would justify this.

Well done this day, I think.

 

-T

156 When you join the military you swear to protect the USA.  When you join Islam you sweat to convert or KILL infadels.  The Islamic religion says we are the world's worst infadels.  If a member of the Islam religion joins the US military, they have sworn to protect us AND TO KILL US.  Which oath will they keep?

157 Have you noticed Obama's tone never changes in any talk or speech? I listened a little bit to this one, and his tone never changed.  It is like he is a robot and has been programed to speak. Does this guy have any feelings for anyone other than himself?  He could at least pretend to cry like Bill Clinton mastered when the camera swung his way.

158 Have you noticed Obama's tone never changes in any talk or speech? I listened a little bit to this one, and his tone never changed.  It is like he is a robot and has been programed to speak.

Even creepier, if you listen to old video or audio of him, he sounded nothing like this until he was programmed to run for President.  This whole (incredibly annoying) way of speaking is fairly new for him.

159 Wow. It's Gettysburg Address all over again. Teh Won, according to Atlantic's Marc Ambinder (not giving a link for them): "The Best Speech Obama's Given Since...Maybe Ever — Today, at Ft. Hood. I guarantee: they'll be teaching this one in rhetoric classes. It was that good. My gloss won't do it justice. Yes, I'm having a Chris Matthews-chill-running-up-my- leg moment,..."

Keep fucking that chicken, Marc.


I'll post this again in another thread since this one is aging.

160 mars:I came to make a neutral post... blah blah blah.... Rickshaw:but then you didn't.... Me: So, fuck you too, Mars.

161 Obama got a new, smarter speechwriter for this piece. Although he couldn't manage a different vocal tone other than his usual lecturing one, the words were much better. The speech will read better than it was delivered. I see Clippy from Microsoft Word landed a new gig, then.

162 I would prefer they prosecute this under the UCMJ and call it Mutiny and Sedition. I'd prefer they shoot the fucker in the head, Nguyen Ngoc Loan-style.

163 Did he call it "Da Hood"? That's a bit out of line, although that is the nickname for the place. Did he pour a 40 on the ground as well?

164 All you leftist, tree-hugging, cock-slobbering, liberal, islam-supporting, America-hating, peacenik douchebags out there?  Don't even THINK about replying to this thread.  Just STFU, go upstairs, have your mommy make you some mac & cheese, and realize the danger you're in.

165 You know, this criticism of Obama at this time is repulsive. 13 soldiers are dead, and all everyone here can do is bitch about Obama. No one criticized Clinton at Oklahome City, no one criticized Bush at the 9/11 speech. At least show some f*cking respect for the office and this terrible event.

166 NBC and its affiliates continue to portray Muslim-Americans as the victims here. What about the families of those soldiers who Major. Hasan murdered?

167 171 You know, this criticism of Obama at this time is repulsive. 13 soldiers are dead, and all everyone here can do is bitch about Obama. No one criticized Clinton at Oklahome City, no one criticized Bush at the 9/11 speech. At least show some f*cking respect for the office and this terrible event.

Posted by: JEA at November 11, 2009 12:00 PM (a+kMW)

Hogwash. I haven't seen any criticisms of President Obama's speech at Fort Hood. To the contrary, I've seen praise of his sensitivity, albeit it with some understandable cynicism, in view of his hypocrisy on military issues.

Unless you're a brainwashed and braindead idealogue, in whicch case your indignation is silly, you must concede that sincerety, candor and honesty  are not President Obama's strong suits. While I commend the sensitivity of his speech, that doesn't alter my belief that he is an empty suit ..., and a dorky one at that.

BTW, are you JEA, the school teacher in Jawjah? Just curious.  

168 171You know, this criticism of Obama at this time is repulsive. 13 soldiers are dead, and all everyone here can do is bitch about Obama. No one criticized Clinton at Oklahome City, no one criticized Bush at the 9/11 speech. At least show some f*cking respect for the office and this terrible event.  Posted by: JEAat November 11, 2009 12:00 PM (a+kMW)

Yeah, and all you leftards can do is come on here and tell us how great Obama is, even though he's disingenuous about the terrorist attacks on Ft. Hood. Presidential formality aside, this mutherfucker is a closet muslim with no respect for the military.

He stated that we do nothing more than ‘Air-raiding villages and killing civilians’, and his sympathy with muslims is clearly outlined in The Audacity of Hope.  
"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging.  They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

  If only Clinton had shown the same concern for the other terrorist attacks (BY MUSLIMS) on his watch; Khobar Towers, the USS Cole, the attacks on the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and the FIRST World Trade Center attack. Clinton was a draft dodger, by the way, who told his draft board how much he "loathed" the military.   Bush was criticised throughout his presidency.   Now get lost. Your Kos Kiddies freinds are wondering where you've been.

 

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