September 11, 2008

First Excepts from Today's Gibson Interview of Palin; No "Gaffes" Noted, Except for the "Gaffe" of Being Pro-Military and Pro-Muscular Defense
— Ace

I'll quote some in a bit, just reading it now...

Palin defended a previous statement in which she reportedly characterized the war in Iraq as "task from God".

Gibson quoted her as saying: "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God."

But Palin said she was referencing a famous quote by Abraham Lincoln.

"I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words. But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side."

Incidentally, that's not spin, that's exactly what she said. The AP Dowdified her quote to take away the part about praying that we are on God's side to make it sound like she was simply saying "We're on God's side."

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God."

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

Not exact words, Gibson. She said (paraphrase) "Let us pray that our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." The AP cut off the beginning off that, and of course all the idiots in the MSM repeat it.

And then Gibson says, "Exact words."

Hot Air is on this of course. Here's AllahPundit on it, back when the AP began Dowdifying the quote:

" Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Here’s what the AP turns it into:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a “task that is from God.”…

“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” she said. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.”

Contact ABCNews immediately to demand a correction. This isn't an arguable mistake; it's a complete, provable mistake. And Gibson doubles down on "exact words."

Sorry, Gibson-- exact words means exact words. And if you're going to edit out key words and transform a statement from one meaning to another, that's not even close to "exact."

Greg Gutfied on Why They Hate Her: It's funny because it's true. [CJ]


Write Charlie Gibson: Ask him what "exact words" means, especially when the words are deliberately Dowdified in order to make Sarah Palin's explanation implausible.

With the censored words included, her explanation makes perfect sense-- in fact, it's pretty inarguable.

So ask them if "exact words" now means something else in the ABCNews stylebook.

Posted by: Ace at 12:44 PM | Comments (332)
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1 Citgo gas...paaahleez

Posted by: jawbone at September 11, 2008 12:45 PM (JalPh)

2 So... it says it's slated for 6:30 PM...

Does that mean 6:30 Eastern time, or 6:30 whatever your local time zone is?

Posted by: dan-O at September 11, 2008 12:45 PM (teb/C)

3

He's trying to nail her on the "our leaders are sending them on a task that is from God" comment.

C'mon Charlie, the full quote was "Pray that our leaders are sending them on a task that is from God." Don't give me that "exact words" bullshit.

 

Posted by: Average Jen at September 11, 2008 12:45 PM (OINAg)

4 If that's representative of the interview, she did fine (shocking, I know). Unless they are holding out some gotcha questions, this should be good for another point or two in the polls.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 11, 2008 12:51 PM (hlYel)

5 She completely escaped the "Crusader trap" Gibson prepared for her. Amazing! (I would have certainly said something stupid if I had been asked the same thing.)

Obama's answer to that same question?

Obama: "Uh-uh-eh It is not something uh from my Muslim faith."

Gibson: "You mean, your Christian faith."

Posted by: oy at September 11, 2008 12:55 PM (KAuuY)

6 They should demand a retraction from Gibson on that one. Of course his real mistake was to rely on the AP reporting a quote accurately.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 11, 2008 12:56 PM (hn7Rm)

7 Look at the Neo-Con-Warmonger spin they are putting on this.

The banner headline at ABC New's site is: GOV. SARAH PALIN WARNS WAR MAY BE NECESSARY IF RUSSIA INVADES ANOTHER COUNTRY

Of course that appears to be predicated on this Q and A:

The Governor advocated the accession of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO.

When asked by Gibson if under the NATO treaty, the U.S. would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

So if a country becomes part of NATO and is then invaded we would be obligated to go to war? Wow this is breaking news stuff. I mean Article V of the NATO Treaty will only be 60 years old next year. Who knew this stuff?

Look at the hick Governor making shit up and getting us into a war!

Posted by: DrewM. at September 11, 2008 01:01 PM (hlYel)

8 Ace,

Um, sorry to have to break it to you and the Morons, but Barack Hussein Obama II is going to be the next POTUS.

No doubt.

Not even close.

William Jefferson Clinton today has called the race.

'Nuff said.

And no, I am not kidding.

The power of the MSM, Soros, the Left-Green-Pink-Blue-Brown and Islamist Axis is too strong to overcome.

Having said that, what is important now is to begin planning on what you are going to do come January 2009.

Higher taxes.

Less security.

Fairness Doctrine.

Just to name a few.

But to repeat, Barack Hussein Obama II is going to win the presidential election in November.

Word.

Just sayin'.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:06 PM (O0Kyl)

9 MSM = slick verbal pickpockets.

Posted by: DCox at September 11, 2008 01:08 PM (2pT9a)

10 Having said that, what is important now is to begin planning on what you are going to do come January 2009.

Well, I, for one, plan on getting stone drunk.  Of course I was planning that anyway but now I'll have an excuse.

Posted by: alexthechick at September 11, 2008 01:10 PM (ZHqJf)

11 Tonight on ABC: Christians in the Mist: Tune in as Charles Gibson attempts to communicate with one of these elusive and incomprehensible creatures...

Posted by: whatthecrap? at September 11, 2008 01:11 PM (OW1jF)

Posted by: dan-O at September 11, 2008 01:12 PM (teb/C)

13

Sharkman's News Service Headline for 09/11/08

"Barack Obama today said:  'I suck cocks in hell.'  Film wish, at 11:00!"

Actual Quote from Mr. Obama:  "I really don't think, ahh, that, uhhh, you can really judge my campaign by, mmmmmm, how much money it sucks out of democratic donors.  I mean, y'know, ahhh, if, for instance, yrrrm, if you cock a pistol at the country, in the form of eight years of George Bush's, oooo, hellish policies, then, y'oh, ya, ummm, gotta get some money, n'stuff, from donors to help you, aaaaaaaaaahh, overturn that nightmare!"

Signing off from Washington . . . Courage, people.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 11, 2008 01:16 PM (UioS4)

14

Two full dip of the Balls for this one, so in other words -- a complete tea bag.

Posted by: BabaChewy at September 11, 2008 01:18 PM (UUwxQ)

15 "Um, sorry to have to break it to you and the Morons, but Barack Hussein Obama II is going to be the next POTUS."

Dude, pour yourself a nice cup of STFU.  Doom prophecies are a dime a dozen here.  We don't need a discount AP.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 01:18 PM (qxc7J)

16 The upside of this distortion and smear campaign is that it's going to win the election for McCain/Palin. After a couple of days the McCain camp should air commercials on each and every distortion by ABC. Average voters aren't as wonkish as we are, but they understand when Palin is treated unfairly, and many of them will vote accordingly.

Posted by: Bugler at September 11, 2008 01:18 PM (YCVBL)

17 The Obamabots have been given their marching orders along with their Soros paychecks, they're blasting the ABC comments with 'warmonger' shtick.

Posted by: mrkwong at September 11, 2008 01:19 PM (G8Eo0)

18 Not only is Obama not going to be the President but his bumboys in the media are going down the drain with him.

Posted by: aubrey at September 11, 2008 01:20 PM (q/Z0+)

19 be glad to contact ABC.  please provide a specific email address where we can write

Posted by: george fromer at September 11, 2008 01:21 PM (MobLv)

20 Actually, those were some of her exact words.  Good enough for MSM!

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 11, 2008 01:22 PM (ltwze)

21

The ABC article veers into the talking points which it wants Palin to "answer". By that, it means "react defensively to this bullshit that we need to keep repeating, day after day, until 2024 if need be, or until longer if she turns this country over to the rethuglifascists... TRUTH TO POWER!!!".

Posted by: David Ross at September 11, 2008 01:22 PM (08cTp)

22 Libs can't quote conservatives.  They are just unable to do so.  Every quote from Cheney to Coulter to Limbaugh have been manipulated to make the speaker seem bad or uninformed.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 11, 2008 01:22 PM (QxSug)

23 JB,

Right back at ya'.

It is not a doom prophecy.

Unless there is a MAJOR meltdown by Barack Hussein Obama II the system force and its resources that are The Believers and their benefactors, cannot be overcome.

Its a systems problem.

Not a prophecy.

As they say, do the math.

Yes, things are looking good for John Sidney McCainn III, but it won't last.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:23 PM (O0Kyl)

24 "As they say, do the math."

Is that your version of "google it"?

"Yes, things are looking good for John Sidney McCainn III, but it won't last."

No, no doom prophecy there...


Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 01:26 PM (qxc7J)

25 #23 MeTooThen

The local bridge called.

They want their troll back.

Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 01:26 PM (mTWN+)

26 Yah, McCain's ad guys seem to be pretty close to top-notch; there should be some pretty powerful retorts of whatever dorkiness is stirred up over this.

Posted by: Jajos, FL at September 11, 2008 01:27 PM (9v34C)

27 Well Hell , if  ME TOO THEN says something it must be a sure thing. Guy thinks he's Matt Damon.

Posted by: aubrey at September 11, 2008 01:29 PM (q/Z0+)

28

Contact ABCNews immediately to demand a correction. This isn't an arguable mistake; it's a complete, provable mistake. And Gibson doubles down on "exact words."

 

C'mon Ace, you're kidding, right?  These cocksuckers don't apologize and don't correct.  Unless it's something stupid like using who for whom.

Posted by: redriverted at September 11, 2008 01:29 PM (Z7fcC)

29 "do the math." http://www.270towin.com/ This is the only math that counts, and I know. I teach math. And I know a guy who teaches Political Science. Right now I've got the students up near 100, but we'll learn about the 200s before November. 270 is doable. Not certain, but doable. (MeTooThen, you're sounding way to much like FReeper Quidam redux, except not in a good way.)

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 01:30 PM (briex)

30

Gibson has done the equivelent of pulling the quote "The Boogeyman is real" out of the statement "I don't think the Boogeyman is real."

Also, do contact ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346

Or look up the phone number for your local ABC station.

Posted by: Guest at September 11, 2008 01:31 PM (X8Omj)

31 Just the look on Gibson's face is enough to say: "Lady, wh oyou be tryin' to shit?" I can't wait for him to ask Obama in that incredulous tone: "Do you really think you are ready to be president?"

Posted by: Hotspur at September 11, 2008 01:33 PM (c158/)

32 Oh, and I know a guy at Diebold, who says, "Don't worry." That's good enough for me.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 01:35 PM (briex)

33 Gran

Sorry to break it to you, but I am an O.M.

Original Moron.

And JB,

Do you really think that the MSM, Soros, st al are going to just quit when they see McCain in the lead?

You (and I) haven't even begun to see the wall-to-wall campaigning that the Media and their minions will perform on behalf of The One.

The savage, disgusting, unrelenting, and unprecedented attacks against Sarah Louise Heath Palin are only going to get worse.

And now, at long last, William Jefferson Clinton is going to campaign for BHO.

The "magic" will suddenly return to the Obama campaign, followed shortly thereafter by Herself Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton.

Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, new Hampshire, will all go BLUE with the Clintons behind Obama.

Like I said, do the math.

Just sayin', again.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:36 PM (O0Kyl)

34 Sent my complaint in to ABC News.

Boo-yah.

Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 01:37 PM (mTWN+)

35 Quidam, now there is a handle I haven't thought about in a long time.

MeTooThen, we've seen your routine here and at JOM before. I wish you would make an argument instead of just sayin'.

Posted by: michaelt at September 11, 2008 01:38 PM (x4LR9)

36 "William Jefferson Clinton is going to campaign for BHO." The same WJC who couldn't pull 50% of the popular vote for himself as a popular incumbent, when he was facing the most inept campaigner of all time, with an economy blazing, and not a foreign enemy in sight? That master political strategist? Guess we're doooooooooomed.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 01:39 PM (briex)

37 michaelt,

See above.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:40 PM (O0Kyl)

38 #33

So?  I wasn't aware that "troll" and "original moron" were mutually exclusive terms.

Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 01:43 PM (mTWN+)

39 So, like, using the candidates' full names does what for your point, exactly? And as an Original Moron, you might remember that, yeah, we're ALL morons. Even the original ones.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 01:44 PM (briex)

40 notropis,

Whatever dude.

William Jefferson Clinton appeals to the Independents in this country, small town, Blue Dog Dems, women, and even Reagan Democrats.

Hey, you don't believe me.

Fine.

Like I said, unless Obama makes some HUGE, outlier gaffe, or there is some enormous, heretofore scandal, I can't see McCain winning with the blessing of the Clintons behind Obama.

Just remember, Kool Aid comes in two flavors, Blue and Red.

Beware and be wary.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:44 PM (O0Kyl)

41

I just watched it and the editing was very poor. I think they shortened a lot of her answers.

I hope the campaign insisted on videotaping the interview themselves because something didn't seem right.

Posted by: SamIam at September 11, 2008 01:44 PM (eXAlO)

42 I gotta say, I took the AP story at face value, and just assumed she was a little wacky, but I thought I could live with it.  (Reagan was a little wacky too)

However  (I guess I missed Allah's story) I was shocked when I just saw the real transcript.  That is nothing like the story, or the question as it was asked.

From a religious upbringing (and a religious upbringing in Alaska, none-the-less) I am very familiar with that type of prayer.  It's not claim of any kind, or an endorsement.  It was standard stuff  (every week) for the pastor to pray for wisdom and guidance for the leaders of the country.  It's an act of humility to a greater power, not an act of ego.

I am embarrassed that I ever bought the story, and I am appalled that ABC ran with it.

Posted by: erik at September 11, 2008 01:45 PM (hblvb)

43 Gran,

Well, now you do.

You must be very happy for yourself.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:46 PM (O0Kyl)

44 The greg gutfield should have had its own entry. 

I'd like to see more articles trying to explain the anti-palin psychosis going on.

Posted by: Village Idiot at September 11, 2008 01:46 PM (Kwk7J)

45 "MeTooThen"

Oh, brother, another troll, moby, or whatever here?...

These same entities battled heavily for a certain candidate in 2000, and for another in 2004 - and they lost both times. The American people hates being lectured by the elites, n 1968 and in 1972, in 1980 and in 1984... The media went wild FOR the Democrat, but the American people knew better - and there was no web media then...

Posted by: oy at September 11, 2008 01:48 PM (KAuuY)

46 micahelt,

By the way.

What's your routine?

Just askin'.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:48 PM (O0Kyl)

47

Hats off to Charlie Gibson otherwise, in the first segment I just watched he asked some tough, fair questions but didn't play gotcha games.

Sarah, of course, comes across very well.

More, on Iraq, later in the broadcast....

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 11, 2008 01:48 PM (4ZOxD)

48 Dude, why don't you explain "the math" to us morons in details.

"Just sayin'" is a shorthand for "I'm talking scary out of my ass."

You're the Obama of Trolls.  All sizzle, no steak.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 01:50 PM (qxc7J)

49 Please, do NOT contact "your local ABC station." They're just affiliates, who are contracted to carry ABC shows. All you'll be doing is making some secretary or newsroom intern miserable while you complain to them about something they have no more power to control than you do. I also would suggest not wasting time filling out comment forms on abcnews.com. Those go pretty much where you'd expect them to. If you want action, send a real email. Format: Firstname.lastname@abc.com And yes, that means finding real names. World News executive producers, VP of News, etc. Use the Goog, Luke.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 11, 2008 01:50 PM (Rn2+D)

50 Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, new Hampshire, will all go BLUE with the Clintons behind Obama.

Shit, I bet Obama went white with fear when he heard that the Clintons were behind him.

And would this all-powerful, super-duper campaigner Bill Clinton be the same one who couldn't get his wife enough votes in her own party to be the nominee?

Scary.........

Posted by: wiserbud at September 11, 2008 01:50 PM (JF9u1)

51 Charlie Gibson came across the dickish professor grilling Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School". Lost in a blizzard of words? Charlie Gibson is a tool.

Posted by: Jim62sch at September 11, 2008 01:51 PM (ubHgw)

52 details=detail

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 01:51 PM (qxc7J)

53

So, like, using the candidates' full names does what for your point, exactly?

Well MeTooThen did use the dreaded McCain middle name. <shudder>

And he writes in single sentence paragraphs.

So you know he's wise and sincere and all.

But what he really needs to do is Start Capitalizing All His Words So They'll Sound More Portentous.

Then He Can Compete With Didderot's Dog.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 11, 2008 01:51 PM (hn7Rm)

54

Billy Jeff is campaigning for the One.  Heh.

That's rich.  Bill Jeff campaigns for no one except himself.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 11, 2008 01:52 PM (H6Jyg)

55 has josh marshall's headlines always been all cap? Anyway, this is about how panicked the liberals are

"LIKE I SAID, FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH WOULD BE VASTLY PREFERABLE"

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 11, 2008 01:52 PM (IluD0)

56

Didn't WJC say Obama couldn't win a few months back? I did like the absence of Ums, Uhs and wait a seconds that Obama uses. Just wait for the nut-roots to scream that the questions were rigged and she had them in advance.

Posted by: cv at September 11, 2008 01:52 PM (GmamD)

57 oy,

Dude, I'm on your side.

Just don't drink the Kool Aid.

That's all I'm sayin.

Yes, get out the vote.

Try like hell to elect McCain (he was not my first pick, not even my second.)

Give him your full support.

But do not underestimate the power of the system that is behind Obama. It is colossal and it will stop at nothing to get him elected.

Here, imagine what it will be like on November 5, 2008 after Obama is elected. Do you think that all of the BusHitler, McCheney Satan, Palin Psychosis is suddenly going to go away, not that the Dems have won?

On the contrary, get ready for the reeducation camps (figuratively) and possibly war-crime tribunals (literally.)

The Republicans have had a great week.

No doubt.

But it's only going to get tougher from here on out and I don't think the Republicans can win.

Plan accordingly.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:53 PM (O0Kyl)

58 Indiana? Oh, yeah, Clinton's always been popular there. That's why he even lost it to Bob Dole. Colorado? Another state where he couldn't even beat Dole. Florida? He could at least beat Dole there, but he couldn't beat that stellar campaigner, Pappy Bush. Pennsylvania, Michigan -- the fraud vote was always going to give Barry O those states. Hell, in 2004, there were precincts in Wayne County where more than 100% of the registered voters cast ballots, and 100% were for Kerrey. And he was a geeky white guy. Chill, dude. Nothing's over until sometime in November.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 01:54 PM (briex)

59 #56 WJC campaigning, we're doomed! Oh, I guess Mac could cut a nice "fairy tale" ad.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 01:54 PM (qxc7J)

60 Thanks for the link to ABC News.  I let them know that I agree with those right-wing nut-cases (Palin and Abraham Lincoln!).  Even the good guys aren't.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 11, 2008 01:58 PM (z6fKT)

61 wiserbud,

No, Bill could not overcome the Obama machine.

But together, they can overcome McCain.

It's not that hard a formulation.

And yes, I like using the candidates full names.

John Forbes Kerry was never a man of the people.

Nor was Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.

As for short sentences, you write the way you want.

I'll write the way I want.

If you don't like it.

That's your problem.

...

What's interesting to me is that immediate and intense negative comments that McCain might lose.

Morons, half of this blog wasn't behind him one month ago.

If you want to become a Believer, that's also your problem.

It's not the high that's the problem, it's the come down that's a bitch.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 01:59 PM (O0Kyl)

62 MeTooThen,

Man up! Bitch-ass-pussy.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 11, 2008 02:00 PM (ZTDVK)

63 "But do not underestimate the power of the system that is behind Obama. It is colossal and it will stop at nothing to get him elected."

Umm...ok.  For the first time in modern US history, the "power" of "the system" is "behind" a Democrat.  It is a wonder a Republican has won the WH at all.

"But it's only going to get tougher from here on out and I don't think the Republicans can win.   " There, fixed it for you.




Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 02:00 PM (qxc7J)

64 Whew. Finished up pretty strong, and this was the interview I was most concerned about. She'll be much better on domestic policy.

Posted by: Jim62sch at September 11, 2008 02:00 PM (ubHgw)

65 William Jefferson Clinton appeals to the Independents in this country, small town, Blue Dog Dems, women, and even Reagan Democrats.

Perhaps, but these groups you just mentioned are also well aware that Clinton is not the candidate.  After seeing all of Obama's unforced errors that expose his true beliefs, as well as the continuing realization that he is such an empty suit that actual empty suits seem more qualified and intelligent, Clinton's supposed appeal to these groups ain't gonna mean much at all.

Combine that with the Clinton's desire to see Obama lose, paving the way for Hillary 2012! that no one, and I mean NO ONE, with even half a fucking brain believes that they are actually gonna campaign real hard at all.  In fact, I'm sure that Bill's racist gaffes and explosions of anger during his wife's run are gonna look normal compared to what we get if he goes stumping for Obama.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 11, 2008 02:01 PM (JF9u1)

66 When do we start the throat-slitting thing??

Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at September 11, 2008 02:01 PM (GGhvX)

67 I saw both segments. The first was kinda shaky, and not as convincing as I'd hoped she'd be. Gibson was tough, but the questions were fair.

The second segment was much better. They had a video of her speaking in church, and it gave the full context of her words, which she clarified for Gibson. She is much better when she talks about subjects close to her heart.

Posted by: lmg at September 11, 2008 02:02 PM (A/vgC)

68 "half of this blog wasn't behind him one month ago." Dude ,Sarah Palin was just the governor of Alaska one month ago.

Posted by: aubrey at September 11, 2008 02:02 PM (q/Z0+)

69

It sounded a whole lot worse on paper.  Gibson looked like a senseless dunderpate and kept digging to no avail.

I think her comments about her son were another dig at Obama and his community organizing.  Let's see if he squawks.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 11, 2008 02:02 PM (4ZOxD)

70 MTT: I'm still waiting for the detailed math analysis.  Put up or shut up.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 02:02 PM (qxc7J)

71 MeTooThen, you present a very compelling argument and some sage words of advice.

We shall make it so.

Kool-Aid is yummy.

Posted by: MeTooConvinced at September 11, 2008 02:03 PM (zAvxs)

72 MeTooThen is correct.

We are not going to win.

The wrath of William Jefferson Clinton is upon us.

He gets a lot of ass.

Don't you know what that means?

It means he's crazy attractive to independents and Womyn.

It's all over except for the pillow talk.

I'm one of you and I only drink Gatorade--Fruit Punch.

I'm constipated. Andrew Sullivan impacted my loins.

Just dreamin'


Posted by: LifeLongRepublican at September 11, 2008 02:03 PM (qAMnO)

73 #43

I'm happy that I don't have to tremble in fear of the Clintons' supposed voter magnetism as you seem to.  Anyone with a pulse is going to see any effort by Uh-bama to draft Bill & Hill into campaigning for him for what it is -- desperation.

Do you really think they are going to put any serious effort into campaigning for the man who slapped them in the face by not even vetting her for VP and hence has blocked them from returning to the White House?

I saw some tape of Hillary "stumping" for The One yesterday... she sounded downright robotic.  No passion, no energy, she just read the words like she was reading stock quotes.

Sorry, your fearmongering isn't having any effect.  I don't have blinders on about this election, but I do have faith.

Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 02:03 PM (mTWN+)

74 JB,

Fuck you too.

Really.

McCain is not Reagan.

Sorry to let you in on the news.

The hyperpartisanship of the MSM and the billions behind Obama are unique to this election.

You're not the one thinking.

But that's OK. Enjoy the Kool Aid.

And IreneFingIrene,

I'm already man enough.

And fuck you, too.

Really.




Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:04 PM (O0Kyl)

75 MTT is cool; not a troll.

He just needs to write himself a scrip for prozac, that's all.

Posted by: Bart at September 11, 2008 02:05 PM (4W3RG)

76 I watched it.  She did well.  She came off a little intense but then again Charlie came across like he was interviewing a child-rapist instead of a normal American mom and  the Governor of Alaska. 

My wife, a big Charlie fan from GMA days, was pretty pissed at him.  She's seen him do interviews of people he liked and thought that was the way he always was.  This was an eye-opener for her.  And I bet a lot of other women.

End result - Palin didn't do any harm to her image or the ticket. 

Posted by: TRO at September 11, 2008 02:07 PM (q4WFG)

77 The Republicans have had a great week.

It's been a good couple of weeks and the trends are looking better every day. 

Seriously, MeTooThen, I guess it's okay to worry a little bit about the little day to day events but damn, to go insane with pessimism like you did here because the almighty Bill Clinton is going to {gasp!} campaign for the Democratic nominee (Who woulda think it??!?!?) shows a serious lack of testicular fortutude.

Damn, man, how about we let the candidates debate before we start planning for the coming OMG!!1!1!1 DEmOcrRATiC lANdsLIdE!!1!!!1 you are so getting so worked up over.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 11, 2008 02:09 PM (JF9u1)

78 #76

My mother-in-law had a similar reaction after seeing the interview.

She said, "What is he, a Democrat or something?"


Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 02:09 PM (mTWN+)

79 Oooh really committed fuzzy math trolls! Yay!


Just before I flipped the channel, Susan Sarandon said  "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor. Thats all I have to say."


So when was Jesus a community organizer? Was this after he braided a whip and beat the money lenders? I remember him being our Lord and Savior and a carpenter, must have missed that community organizer part.

Posted by: POTL at September 11, 2008 02:10 PM (mD4t/)

80 Did they cut out the part where Gibson challenged her "exact quote"?  Maybe that's coming up on Nightline tonight, when not so many people will notice it.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 11, 2008 02:13 PM (JsY4F)

81 you guys just don't.

get it.

it's over.

obama has the clintons on his.

side.

the same ones that couldn't get a simple majority.

of the electorate to vote for them.


by the way.

did I know.

that I am a direct.

descendant.

of.

e.e. cummings.

it is true.

prepare for the worst.

Posted by: MeTroSexual at September 11, 2008 02:15 PM (mTWN+)

82 I'm sick and tired of these Chicken Littles seizing the mantle of Master of Reality.

Fuck you right back, MTT.  Take your sage advice and shove it.  Everyone here knows it's a tough slog, you're not adding anything new to the conversation, except hyping all the reasons Obama could win, and ignoring all avenues for McCain to win.  I'm glad people like you did not get to decide on whether the surge would work in Iraq.  You think you're a realist, but you're simply a loser.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 02:15 PM (qxc7J)

83 JB,

Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Colorado, New Mexico, Florida

...

wiserbud,

Don't be so sure.

Above all else, William Jefferson Clinton is the ultimate narcisssist, willing to put his own love of others adulating him (in this case being the rescuer of Obama) ahead of his fealty to Hillary. And no, It won't be the first time.

Gran,

Have all the faith you want.

I want McCain to win. That I don't think he will doesn't stop me from working for him.

...

LLR,

Did you see the Dems Convention?

WJ Clinton energized his base and it's a different base that Obama's.

Clinton (both of them) can deliver Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Florida, Michigan for Obama.

...

Look Morons, believe what you want.

William Jefferson Clinton will be damaging to McCain.

And if Hillary joins him, it's game over.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:15 PM (O0Kyl)

84 has josh marshall's headlines always been all cap? Anyway, this is about how panicked the liberals are


Use of the term "neocon": Check.

Quote from "Republican" Senator who was so true to his party that he quit it as soon as he got tossed out on his ass by the voters and it didn't serve him any purpose any more: Check.

Hypocritical attacks that completely ignore the fact that Bill Clinton was "nothing but a governor of a lesser state" when he was championed by the Democrats? Check.

Blind ignorance of what NATO actually does? Check.

Yeah, I'd say they're panicked.

It makes me want to dance.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 11, 2008 02:16 PM (Rn2+D)

85 MTT is cool; not a troll.

Whatever.  He's really bring the weak assed shit though.  I have a tingling in my leg and it hurts to pee, we're doomed I tell ya, doomed.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 02:16 PM (evdj2)

86 I'm putting this tedious troll on ignore.

Posted by: JB at September 11, 2008 02:19 PM (qxc7J)

87

Yeah, Billy Jeff is gonna go out campaigning for the One.

Right after the Annual Meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative.  That's September 26.

On September 27, Billy Jeff will have some other important pressing issues to deal with.  Count on it.

You know I'm righteous on this one. 

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 11, 2008 02:19 PM (H6Jyg)

88 #75

Can we compromise on "cool troll who is in love with his Return key"?

Posted by: Gran at September 11, 2008 02:19 PM (mTWN+)

89 Bart,

LOL.

...

JB,

Um, no.

Look bro', you don't know me and I don't know you.

I have been a 100% supporter of the war and out troops. Hell, I almost joined the reserves in 2004.

I have gone near-postal on 9-11 Truthers in San Francisco,  and had to be pulled off so-called anti-war protesters.

Work hard to get McCain elected.

Be prepared when he loses.

...

MeTrosexual

That was funny.

Insulting, but funny.




Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:22 PM (O0Kyl)

90 That fucking moron Shep Smith is on FNC right now comparing her "quote" to Abraham Lincoln's and basically implying that she is lying. He's using the cut off quote. Shep, time to go co-host Countdown you sneaky - I'm a reasonable moderate but I'm going to go after Palin full time - stupid fuck. And yes the lipstick comment was about Palin you dipshit. God, I would love to get this moron at a poker table if he cant even tell when Obama is doing the passive-aggressive hatchet thing. He was covering his eyes you moron. Just like he wouldn't look up when he was shredding Hillary. That's his tell. Shep Smith is a fucking moron.

Posted by: Ray Robison at September 11, 2008 02:22 PM (HzyJe)

91 JB,

Whatever.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:24 PM (O0Kyl)

92

by the way.

did I know.

that I am a direct.

descendant.

of.

e.e. cummings.

it is true.

prepare for the worst.

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Posted by: Max Power at September 11, 2008 02:29 PM (q177U)

93 I invoke the Panic Rule:

When in danger,

When in doubt.

Run in circles,

Scream and Shout!!

Do the Math.

Just sayin' is all.

We're doomed.

Really.

Bend over and kiss your butt good-bye.

Big Bill Clinton is coming out swinging.

Every candidate he's ever backed has won.

Well, except for Hillary, maybe.

But, really.

He's very scary.

We're doomed, doomed I tell you.

I thing I'll go over to Excitable's house and let him do me.


Posted by: MeToo,TooThenNowandForever at September 11, 2008 02:29 PM (1Sf5X)

94

My Message to ABC.

Let us pray that Mr. Gibson explains what "exact words" means to Ms. Plain during the next interview.

Posted by: Danb at September 11, 2008 02:32 PM (oXOpH)

95 MTT:

Of course I saw  the Democrat's convention.

That's when I knew it was over.

William Jefferson Clinton's base was energized and hot and bothered.

That if a force like I have never seen since you, me, and Andi had that wild night in that truck stop bathroom.

I want to win.

But I know we can't

I just know that Ohio and the other states Obama needs to win will fall back in love with William Jefferson Clinton.

And the lesbian counties will go for Hillary Clinton.

Make sure you all drink Green Tea in Jan 1009

Green Tea is good to calm people down after bad things happen.

I am a life-long Republican.

Don't question my patriotism.

I once ripped some crippled Jewish lady a new one for calling Bush a jerk.

I am authentic.


Posted by: LifeLongRepublican at September 11, 2008 02:34 PM (qAMnO)

96 I've seen MeTooThen around before. It's been a while back. But that doesn't make MTT's arguments any better.

Florida and Ohio will be very difficult to flip to Obama. McCain has polled over 50% in both of those states recently. And that means uncommitted voters must flip. That's a difficult task.

Colorado and New Mexico are possible. Colorado has a bunch of Californians who moved. And they're gumming up the works, for sure. Meanwhile NM is always close but McCain will have the advantage given the proximity of his home state.

That said, McCain can flip any number of states to offset Colorado's loss, if that happens. And I fully expect McCain to have a better than 50-50 shot as Obama continues to prove himself ineffectual in an actual political fight.

That said, the return key is really off putting. Seriously. You read like a jack ass when you type like that.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 02:34 PM (nOQ1R)

97 Hey the enemy is OUT THERE!

Posted by: Iwaseatingablockofcheesethesizeofacarbattery at September 11, 2008 02:34 PM (GGhvX)

98

Spread your cheeks

and grab your ankles.

You are all going to

get

analy raped by Obama,

BIG time.

And Guess

what?

He won't be using

ANY

lube.

Posted by: MeTooAlso at September 11, 2008 02:35 PM (q177U)

99 MeToo,TooThenNowandForever

Let's see where the polls go in the two weeks.

If WJC is committed to working for Obama don't come crying. It's great to be enthusiastic for Sarah Palin, but she's not running for president.

Obama is a sham, a nothing, a total phony.

But he has the most powerful information in the world behind him.

Clinton still has tremendous appeal to millions of voters.

He can (and in my opinion) will be the game breaker.

If you don't agree, fine.

But as for going over to Andrew Sullivan's, I leave that to you. You seem to know all about it.

Just sayin'.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:39 PM (O0Kyl)

100 uncommitted voters --> committed voters

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 02:39 PM (nOQ1R)

101 Oh, and the "Just Sayin'" line is tiresome. Unbelievably. Fucking. Tiresome. It's condescending and really fucking annoying. Seriously fucking annoying.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 02:41 PM (nOQ1R)

102

MeTooThen is making one key mistake:  Assuming that the Clintons WANT Obama to win.

 

All the "gaffes" that Bill made on the trail for Hillary?  Expect them to be even more pronounced for Obama's campaigning.

 

If you think Hillary has given up her drive to be the first female president, you've consumed something much stronger than kool-aid.

Posted by: Darury at September 11, 2008 02:42 PM (Ka/c9)

103

I hope McCain's folks are preparing a video of Gibson's questions and Obama's non-answers from the trail.

 

Ummm... I know where he is...we'll get him...Everyone needs to calm down...ummmhrr...Nato...yes...and...Ummm...

Posted by: Petro at September 11, 2008 02:43 PM (4dZXF)

104 metoothen

i will ask
my estate
to sue
you
for
copyright
infringement
and then
I will eat your
bbrrraaaaiiiinnnsss
if you do
not
cease and desist
with your halfassed
impersonation
of me

are we clear

Posted by: zombie e e cummings at September 11, 2008 02:45 PM (mTWN+)

105 Oh, and the "Just Sayin'" line is tiresome. Unbelievably. Fucking. Tiresome. It's condescending and really fucking annoying. Seriously fucking annoying. You forgot to add: "Just sayin' " .... ***************** Oh, and let me toss in: "Do the math" is almost only ever said by people who can't.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 02:51 PM (briex)

106 nom de blog,

You're annoyed.

Sorry bro'.

I'll try real hard not to do it again.

Or not.

As for the map http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/ yes, McCain is up in FL today. But just at the MOE.

And yes, I think WJC wants Obama to win. And yes, I think he can deliver the toss-up states, IN, OH, PA, CO, MI, even FL.

The undecideds need something or someone to move them, and I think WJC can do it.

If not, hell, I'll be happy.

You know, it's strange how quickly and intensely people turn on others the blogosphere. I suppose it's part of the AOS HQ Lifestyle, so be it.

But that you're annoyed, really fucking annoyed, means nothing to me.

Sorry.

Really.

I just hope you get over it soon.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:53 PM (O0Kyl)

107 Hey notropis,

My math is just fine thank you.

Really.

It's an expression.

Get over it.


Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:54 PM (O0Kyl)

108 notropis,

I thought about typing "Just saying'" but I just couldn't bring myself to that level of douchy-ness. I tried. And normally I'm not afraid to be a complete dick. But somehow that was beneath me.

Thanks for picking up my slack.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 02:54 PM (nOQ1R)

109 Just sent a complaint to ABC in the form of the exact quote. Let's see if blogs and talk radio make a difference.

Posted by: eman at September 11, 2008 02:56 PM (TE1SV)

110 notropis,

No, you're a total dick.

And you're welcome.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 02:57 PM (O0Kyl)

111 MTT,
You swing. You miss. Try again.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:00 PM (nOQ1R)

112

I'm not sayin' to do the math, but B.O. has billions of dollars of Soros money and millions of brain-dead Bush hating losers who for some reason think he should be President.

Posted by: Iwaseatingablockofcheesethesizeofacarbattery at September 11, 2008 03:00 PM (GGhvX)

113 My math is just fine thank you.

For a spaniel

Just saying

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 03:00 PM (evdj2)

114 You see, people?

My compatriot has explained it all to you in plain English.

He has done this "math" you speak of.

Clinton = wants Obama to win

Clinton can deliver toss-up states.

States that are toss-ups, such as Indiana and Florida and Ohio.

Andi and I has a "toss-up" in several of these states.

Don't ask.

But these states are always toss-ups.

And even though they always go red...

WAF

Because Clinton will win them for Obama

QED

Just sayin'




Posted by: LifeLongRepublican at September 11, 2008 03:00 PM (qAMnO)

115 notropis,

No really, you are a complete dick.

And I bet you swing.

And miss.

A lot.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 03:04 PM (O0Kyl)

116 LLR,

You're close.

And I'm sorry you and Andi had a toss up.

Ick.

But otherwise, you pretty much get it.

Or got it.

Either way, I won't ask.

And please don't you tell.

You've said enough.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 03:06 PM (O0Kyl)

117 Man, I was planning on voting for McCain/Palin, but #23 has just disheartened me with a reality check.  Now I know better.  Thanks for the wake-up call.  I will now look to 2009.

Posted by: DCox at September 11, 2008 03:07 PM (2pT9a)

118 And your just fine math tells you that Clinton campaigning for Obama will deliver Indiana because, in the past, Clinton couldn't even win the state when he was actually heading the ticket? And this time, Indiana is different, how? (Must be that the blacks in Indianapolis didn't vote for Clinton back in '96, or else the flaming lefties who support Obama were in the tank for Perot back then....) And your just fine math tells you that _____ (fill in a number; you know, "do the math?") people will vote for Obama because Clinton tells them to, even though neither he nor Hillary is on the ticket? Anyway. There's really no math to do, yet. McCain's looking solid, but not safe, which is better than most of us thought he would be doing at this point. Obama's committing unforced error after unforced error, which is a good thing for our side. Bill Clinton's never had any coattails, so I'm not sure why he should be sprouting them now. Heck, when he took over in '92, he had a solid majority in both Houses of Congress, and most Governorships, and by the time he left, the Democrats were in the minority everywhere (well except for in Jim Jefford's brain.) So, I don't see where you find the magic. Just sayin'. Do the math. Whatever. But then, I'm a total dick, which should make somebody happy. Guess I'll go out and scout around a bit.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 03:07 PM (briex)

119 And, yes, it is true that Clinton never one Indiana and only won Florida once.

And Colorado once.

But he has lots of attractive qualities.

He gets ladies me an MTT I get Bears.

People will think they're voting for William Jefferson Clinton

You still have not factored in the lesbian counties.

Just sayin'


Posted by: LifeLongRepublican at September 11, 2008 03:09 PM (qAMnO)

120 Here's what I'm writing:

"That's funny, usually when I hear an "exact quote", it includes the subject ("us") -and- the verb ("pray") in the sentence.  Does ABC think the subject and verb of a quoted sentence are generally optional? 

"Well, if your defense is going to be that you were just quoting from the AP, I'm sure you'll be interviewing some AP editors and taking it as your solemn duty to trash their reputation (justly) the way you just did with Palin (unjustly).  Any day now."

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 11, 2008 03:11 PM (3FVXC)

121 112,

Yeah, that's about right.

Why is it so hard for you Morons to get this?

Sarah is great. I know.

McCain wants full amnesty. He believes in AGW. He fought against conservative judges. McCain-Feingold.

Did I mention Sarah is great?

Half of America and now most of the world think she's the Devil's Spawn and they can't tell McCain from Bush.

"A hard slog" yeah, whatever JB.

Look Morons, work hard to get McCain elected. Fantastic.

If you think I am a fear monger, I can deal with that.

But unless you Morons can find a way to get Charlie Gibson from looking down his nose at Sarah Palin, and editing her words, and the NYT, WaPO, CBS, NBC, and virtually every other media outlet besides Rush and Townhall to counterspin, the addition of WJC is going to tip this election.

If you think I'm wrong.

I get it, you do.

Fine.

Let's have another flame war in three weeks and if I'm wrong, go ahead,  tell me off.

But if McCain is behind, you better think of something else other than ripping on me.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 03:14 PM (O0Kyl)

122 MTT,

Why do you keep insulting notropis when responding to my comments?
Are you... well, I hate to ask... Are you wearing your helmet today? Did you bump your fragile little head and disrupt your brainthoughts?

Now I feel bad for insulting a retard, and not the good kind. Ah well, it's nothing that some Val-U-Rite can't fix. *glug, glug, glug* There. I fixed it.

What a maroon.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:15 PM (nOQ1R)

123 What Sarah actually said, in her own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs


Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 03:19 PM (pie3U)

124 Wouldn't it be funny to find lots of good clips of Gibson and cut the video in a similar fashion so that his "exact words" make him look like a moron?   Hit youtube with some of that.

Posted by: TJ at September 11, 2008 03:20 PM (KsaYS)

125 You tell them MTT.

Don't you people get it?

We cannot win when the MSN is against us.

They control the narrative and we have no say in it.

Where would we be if the media was against us in 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2002, 2004?

= lost.

I don't like McCain.

Me and MTT will be back in 3 weeks after you all see that we are losing then.

And then you will take us seriously!

Just sayin'

Posted by: LifeLongRepublican at September 11, 2008 03:21 PM (qAMnO)

126 "Now I feel bad for insulting a retard" It's OK, N d B, I'm used to it. Oh, you weren't talking about me.... Anyway, I'm off to shower up and hit the only bar in town, to see if I can cash in on the whole "total dick" thing. I mean, I'm only 5' 8" , but if that's sixty-eight inches of dick, that's pretty damn impressive.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 03:23 PM (briex)

127 notropis,
You might not want to lead with the 68 inches of dick thing. The girls that are interested are freaks. And all the ones who aren't interested will think you're a freak. But if it works let me know.

Cheers.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:26 PM (nOQ1R)

128 "Um, sorry to have to break it to you and the Morons, but Barack Hussein Obama II is going to be the next POTUS.

No doubt.

Not even close.

William Jefferson Clinton today has called the race."

Well now... that depends upon what your definition of *IS* is.

Posted by: Mark at September 11, 2008 03:27 PM (3vFfp)

129 Well, I'll just use my head.... But thanks for the advice.

Posted by: notropis at September 11, 2008 03:28 PM (briex)

130 What Sarah actually said, in her own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs

PS: I meant to add that Gibson appears to be correct, so maybe before writing ABC, you might want to watch that video.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 03:29 PM (pie3U)

131 MeTooThen, do you really, seriously believe that the Clinton's are behind Obama?  If so, you are not looking at this realistically.  They have nothing to gain and everything to lose in terms of power and influence if Obama is elected.  Do you really believe the Clinton's suddenly became self-sacrificing for the good of their party or some ideology bigger than them?

Bill (William Jefferson, whatever), hates Obama--personally.  His associates have recently gone on record commenting how he is still seething over the race issue of the democratic primary.  And although Dick Morris' track record on political prognostication is pretty bad, I think he is in his element when he discusses the likely motives and trajectory that the Clinton's are going to take.  He called this one right after Hillary lost, and Bill and Hillary are doing exactly what he anticipated right up to the present.  Before the Clinton's can do damage, they have to be invited back into the house--at least in the minds of people like you.

Posted by: DCox at September 11, 2008 03:31 PM (2pT9a)

132 Without watching the interview yet, I withhold specific critique; however, consider the format of the interview and consider how she did.

The fact that she didn't blow it (from what I gather from the moron ensemble) is a testament to how well she did. No topic off limits. Qualitatively unlimited access for extended time from a "top" guy from the DNC MSM.

Contrast to Obama and others: Restricted access. Topics to be discussed known in advance. Very short intervals and certainly not enough for follow-up. For example O'Reilly had 30 minutes total with Obama, and Obama only agreed to do O'Reilly's interview so that he could blunt the post-RNC convention bounce and not because he wanted to face O'Reilly. His 300 advisors assuredly told him he had to do it.

All things considered, I don't have to watch Gibson's work at all to know already that Palin did great, that she could think on her feet and hold her own. At this point, McCain needs her more than she needs McCain, which explains why she has been touring side-by-side with McCain rather than by her lonesome.

Palinmania will continue whether Soros et al. flush more money down the toilet or not. Team McCain still has plenty of ammo it can continuously roll out that will impact ignorant voters.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 11, 2008 03:33 PM (sI5Ho)

133 My Fellow Americans,

Somebody here has a huge raging boner for me.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 11, 2008 03:33 PM (mD4t/)

134 Jack,
That's some mighty clever editing you found there.
Douchenozzle.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:34 PM (nOQ1R)

135 What Sarah actually said, in her own words

Don't be a dupe, Jack.  Read the post.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 03:34 PM (evdj2)

136 Bill Clinton is not worth 5-7 points by his lonesome in Indiana.  Guaranfuckintee it.

Posted by: INCITEmarsh - click to FUCK THE TRUTHERS at September 11, 2008 03:40 PM (ULsz9)

137 McCain in Florida:
+8
+7
+5
Tied (Rasmussen)

McCain in Ohio:
+7
+4
+1
down 5 (Quinnipiac)

McCain in Michigan:
+1 (InAdv/Poll Position)
down 1
down 1
down 4
down 5

McCain in Colorado:
down 3
down 3
down 1

McCain in New Mexico:
+4
+2
down 13 (CNN/Time)

McCain in Virginia:
+2
+2
+4

McCain in Pennsylvania:
down 2
down 2
down 3

McCain in New Jersey:
down 6

McCain in Nevada:
+1

That does not look like a map that drastically favors Obama.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:44 PM (nOQ1R)

138 That shows a map closer in many places than it should be.
And it's a map that shows McCain solidifying his hold on Ohio and Florida.
If McCain needs to overcome the loss of Colorado, he can.

Nothing succeeds like success. So let's all get behind the Palin/McCain (whoops) ticket.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 03:46 PM (nOQ1R)

139 >That's some mighty clever editing you found there.
>Douchenozzle.

Lovely.

I'm a Sarah Palin supporter, asshat.  But I thought it wouldn't do her cause, or ours,  any good to storm ABC's gate because of a supposedly bogus claim that Gibson didn't use an "exact quote" when it looks like he did.

If the video is bogus, all you have to do is prove it, because I'm sure it's the one that Gibson is going by.

>Don't be a dupe, Jack.  Read the post.

I did.  And then I made the effort to check it out for myself.  It appears that those *are* Sarah Palin's words, and *I* don't find very much to dislike about them.  Although I can see why some on the left might.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 03:50 PM (pie3U)

140

Gibson's a tool and Gov. Palin came thru this biased interrogation just fine. The more the Lamestreams attemt to diminish her the more votes she gets.

 

Posted by: George at September 11, 2008 03:56 PM (UReDZ)

141 I'm a Sarah Palin supporter

My apologies, Jack.  I mistook you for Concerned.

His quote is exact, as far as it goes, but to edit it in that way is an attempt to mislead and Charlie knows it.

Republican candidate quote:  There are those would imply that Obama is a well know butt-pirate but I'm not one of them.

Tobias edit:  Obama is a well know butt-pirate

Exact words indeed.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 03:58 PM (evdj2)

142 nom de blog and notropis,

My bad.

I take full responsibility for that.

Really.

Yes, maybe I did bump my head

...

Mark,

LOL.

Good one.

...

DCox,

Bill Clinton loves Bill Clinton. He will sacrifice Hillary to be the Savior to the Savior.

And I hope you're right.

But I think you're wrong.

...

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 11, 2008 04:02 PM (O0Kyl)

143

you put your right foot in

you put your right foot out

you do the hokey

pokey

and you shake it all about

do the math

jusy sayin'

Posted by: Senator Clay Pavers at September 11, 2008 04:07 PM (nEjKj)

144 >My apologies, Jack.  I mistook you for Concerned.

Apology accepted.

>His quote is exact, as far as it goes, but to edit it in that way is an attempt to >mislead and Charlie knows it.

He used her *exact* words; I don't know what else anyone can ask of him.

There's a lot of good reasons to hate the MSM,  and I'm no fan of Gibson, but he did his job here.  He used her exact words.  I don't think Ace would want to make a big deal out of this, if he knew those *were* her exact words, but I could be wrong about that.

This thread is now being mentioned over on Glenn Reynold's site, so it won't be long before it gets broadcast far and wide.

Clamoring to ABC with a bogus claim doesn't seem very smart to me.

It's more like something the left would do.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 04:08 PM (pie3U)

145 Hello.

I am partially retarded.

My father raped me as a child,

and I type like

this

because I am an illiterate

sucker

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146 Clamoring to ABC with a bogus claim doesn't seem very smart to me.

You go too far, Jack.  Its not a bogus claim as I just pointed out.  If Gibson was duped himself by an unfairly edited YouTube, it reflects equally poorly on him.  To base a gotcha question on something that he didn't have a complete video of is the height of bogusness.  It was just too good to check, I guess.

There are those who would say that Charlie Gibson is a spunk-gargling Obama-bot but I will refuse to make such a personal attack.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 04:20 PM (evdj2)

147 Jack, you obviously didn't read the post.  Gibson cut off the bold stuff, which totally changes the meaning. "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Hot Air has the 15 minute long video if you doubt. 

Posted by: Matt in Maine at September 11, 2008 04:27 PM (OkODJ)

148 So, Jack, you apparently -do- believe that the subject and verb of a sentence are optional in the reporting of that sentence.

I think you have a great career ahead of you in the mainstream media.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 11, 2008 04:29 PM (3FVXC)

149 Jack,
That's some mighty nice editing you got there. I'm sure you believe Jon Stewart's interviews happen in the order he presents them. And the Colbert Report doesn't fuck with quotes either. Nope. Straight fuckin' reporting on that one.

Get a fucking clue, douchenozzle.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 04:32 PM (nOQ1R)

150 >You go too far, Jack.  Its not a bogus claim as I just pointed out.  If Gibson was >duped himself by an unfairly edited YouTube, it reflects equally poorly on him.  To >base a gotcha question on something that he didn't have a complete video of is the >height of bogusness.  It was just too good to check, I guess.

It's bogus to claim that Gibson misquoted her, or took her words out of context, etc.  He didn't.  And there are other copies of videos out there, of her entire speech before her church (they're out there and pretty easy to find), which suggest that those are her EXACT WORDS, so either they've *all* been edited, or she actually said them.

The burden of proof is yours. 

Prove the video(s) have been edited and you have a story.

If you can't, you'll just make yourselves look foolish, and end up actually harming Palin, not helping her.

But it's your choice.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 04:32 PM (pie3U)

151

Jack, here's what she said:

"We should pray that our national leaders are sending them on a task from God."

Here's what they quoted (exact words according to Charlie Gibson):

"Our national leaders are sending them on a task from God."

That's a big difference. Chop those first few words off and a prayer becomes a declaration of fact. Much the same as "We should pray that the fight is over" is different from saying "The fight is over."

Posted by: Average Jen at September 11, 2008 04:33 PM (OINAg)

152
>Get a fucking clue, douchenozzle.

Go fuck yourself, you clueless little twit.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 04:34 PM (pie3U)

153 It's bogus to claim that Gibson misquoted her, or took her words out of context, etc.

That's exactly what he did.  By removing the lead in and even chopping off the first part of her sentence, he fundamentally altered the meaning.

Its really quite clear cut.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 04:36 PM (evdj2)

154 You first, fuck-o.
So, tell me, do the interviews on The Daily Show prove everything they claim?
Did Michael Moore's editing fool you too?

Get a fucking clue.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 04:36 PM (nOQ1R)

155 ^^^^
Exact words?  Well yeah, but not the complete sentence.  Hence, out of context.  I have to think you didn't see the same video I saw.

Posted by: bunny boy at September 11, 2008 04:37 PM (14YLc)

156

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask... what America will do for you...for the freedom of man." JFK

I first thought of Martin Luther King but, surprisingly, it's difficult to screw around with his "I have a dream" speech and make it read as anythng other than itself.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 04:38 PM (htk1u)

157 Perhaps when we say edited, you're hearing respliced which is not my suggestion.  They are her exact words, apparently, just taken out of context to suggest something, if not the complete opposite, that she never intended.

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 04:40 PM (evdj2)

158

"I am happy to... go down... on a...  Negro." Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream Speech" from the longer quote below:

*****************************

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. 

************************

Eh, it's easy to fuck with speeches.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 04:44 PM (nOQ1R)

159 >"We should pray that our national leaders are sending them on a task from God."

*Now* I see what you're talking about!  I looked for more videos and finally found this one*, and I agree.  Yes, it does look like either Gibson or ABC did this on purpose, and dropped the first part of her lines, which put everything into context.

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ypVSYoEKA&feature=related

Thanks for straightening me out, Jen!

Jack



Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 04:48 PM (pie3U)

160 Convergence!  Blessed Consensus!

Posted by: toby928 at September 11, 2008 04:49 PM (evdj2)

161 Yeah, thanks Jen.
Jack couldn't be troubled to read the fucking post that Ace took the trouble to craft. He had to emote. And shit.

Douchenozzle.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 04:53 PM (nOQ1R)

162 Oh, and convergence!!11eleventy!!

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 04:54 PM (nOQ1R)

163 >Jack couldn't be troubled to read the fucking post that Ace took the trouble to >craft.

I read the post.  But I want the words right from the horse's mouth.

Thanks to Jen, I finally found them.

>Douchenozzle.

Fuck you, you cocksucking twit.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 04:57 PM (pie3U)

164

Geez, Nom.

I was actually playing with something quite similar myself but felt such a rush of shame that I had to avert my eyes. You, clearly, have no such issues with blushing.

heh

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:00 PM (htk1u)

165 Hannity is, it seems, on to the ABC issue...

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:01 PM (htk1u)

166 jmflynny,
Yeah. I felt a pang of shame. But then I went for it. Would you like me to do the same with Lincoln and Jefferson just to be safe?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:03 PM (nOQ1R)

167

Fuck! What the hell are they doing on Fox cutting Mac's answer to the bait question about Palin demeaning Obama's community organizer past?!

He started strong on that answer and Fox cut it completely!

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:03 PM (htk1u)

168

American Broad-casting:  is this a sexist parlor game at the All Barack Channel?  Looks like Governor Palin was a little heavy for Charlie-boy to cast, even with cheating.  His attempt to infantilize the governor made him out to be the liberal condescending prick he is.  The media can't keep themselves from losing this election for their precious One.  Instead of being "Rathered" into office like W was by CBS, Sarah Palin may well be "Gibsoned" into office by the sexism of the left's media.

Posted by: twolaneflash at September 11, 2008 05:03 PM (05dZx)

169 >Perhaps when we say edited, you're hearing respliced which is not my >suggestion.  They are her exact words, apparently, just taken out of context to >suggest something, if not the complete opposite, that she never intended.

Yes, you're absolutely correct.

That second video I found, which revealed everything she'd said beforehand, finally got the point across.

It may not be the "complete opposite", but it's substantially different from what Gibson and ABC were trying to convey.

And probably intentionally, too.

Thanks for helping to clear it up for me!

Joe

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:04 PM (pie3U)

170 Jack,
If you want the words straight from the horse's ass, you'll need a mirror. Or two. I don't know whether you're fat or not.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:04 PM (nOQ1R)

171 Oh! Now I see you said horse's mouth. My bad.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:06 PM (nOQ1R)

172 Charlie Gibson is a dishonest dress-wearing closet case with no journalistic integrity.

My exact words.

Posted by: bustoff at September 11, 2008 05:06 PM (1jnf/)

173

Nom, you read me like 68 pt font.

Actually, I would love to see it. Frankly,  if you could brutalize their speeches in Haiku form, I have it on good authority that Jack might even let you enjoy an evening alone with Miss Suzanne Sena.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:07 PM (htk1u)

174 >Oh! Now I see you said horse's mouth. My bad.

No, not bad.  Just a cocksucking little twit.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:09 PM (pie3U)

175 I just hit the link and bitched about it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 11, 2008 05:12 PM (6L459)

176 >I have it on good authority that Jack might even let you enjoy an evening alone >with Miss Suzanne Sena

Why would a cocksucking little twit want an evening with Suzanne Sena???

Now an evening with Barney Frank, maybe.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:13 PM (pie3U)

177 Yeah, the horse's mouth comment was ironic. I meant every word of the horse's ass comment. That one was for reals.

Don't worry though. I'm the twit. You were wrong the whole while. But don't let that get you down. I'm sure you're used to it. I just sneezed into a napkin smarter snot than you.

But Jen saved the day by telling you that you were wrong. All I did was tell you the same fucking thing. Are your google skills that weak? Are you new to the interwebs? You see, it's a series of tubes...

jmflynny,
I tried to work with the Gettysburg Address but it's too short. And as for Jefferson, that's easy since I can just make up quote Shit Jefferson Said, Volume III, like John Kerry did.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:15 PM (nOQ1R)

178 Jack,
Teh ghey insults are amusing. Are you scared of teh ghey? Are you scared of teh penis? Do you take a shower while wearing clothes?

Is that really the best you've got?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:16 PM (nOQ1R)

179 >Don't worry though. I'm the twit.

No, you're the *cocksucking* little twit.

>You were wrong the whole while.

Yes, I was.  It wasn't the first time, it probably won't be the last.

But unlike you, I'm usually right.

>But don't let that get you down.

Nothing gets me down, not even cocksucking little twits like you, you cocksucking little twit.

Jack


Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:19 PM (pie3U)

180 >Teh ghey insults are amusing. Are you scared of teh ghey?

No, I just don't like cocksucking little twits, even straight ones.

>Are you scared of teh penis?

I prefer the vagina, yes.

>Do you take a shower while wearing clothes?

Did Barney Frank really come in your mouth?

>Is that really the best you've got?

We'll see, won't we?

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:23 PM (pie3U)

181 The other night, my wife told me to pick up a gallon of 2% from the store.  I half-assed listened to her request, then promptly fucked up by getting vitamin D.  When I got home and she gently explained to me that I fucked up, I called her a dirty whore and told her to fuck herself. 

Actually, I didn't, because that would turn a simple fuck up that happens to everyone into a display of total assholishness.  The best thing to do in this situation is to let it go.  I'm just sayin'


Posted by: bunny boy at September 11, 2008 05:24 PM (14YLc)

182 Now I'm bored.
Fare thee well, Jack Off.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at September 11, 2008 05:24 PM (nOQ1R)

183

But Jen saved the day by telling you that you were wrong. All I did was tell you the same fucking thing.

Well, I can be quite persuasive.

And speaking of, I think that's the most hostile interview I've ever witnessed on television. Holy shit.

She's trying to answer a question, and Gibson says "I'm lost in a blizzard of words here. I'm still not sure what your answer is."

Oh really? With Obama, it's velvety nuance. He's so thoughtful. He considers every angle. But with her it's a "blizzard of words." What a fucking ass.

 

 

Posted by: Average Jen at September 11, 2008 05:24 PM (OINAg)

184 >Now I'm bored.

No, you're a *cocksucking little twit*.

Plus, you're apparently all hat, no cattle.

>Fare thee well, Jack Off.

And fuck you, too, cocksucker.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:29 PM (pie3U)

185 >Well, I can be quite persuasive.

And nice.

That's works too.

Jack

Posted by: Jack at September 11, 2008 05:30 PM (pie3U)

186 Mr. Gibson (and producers),
I was quite dismayed that you mis-characterized Gov. Palin's quote before her congregation. As you very clearly only provided part of her quote you either did this knowingly to have a 'gotcha' moment, or you used the AP quote without doing your own research. It was even more disappointing to see you stuck to that track even when she explained it to you. I think the likely answer is your research failed you. That's fine, but you clearly owe on on air correction. Thanks.

Posted by: Silk at September 11, 2008 05:35 PM (kIz/p)

187

"...velvety nuance"

Does that come in dark chocolate?

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:37 PM (htk1u)

188 I'm getting all punch-drunk and giggly at the Nom vs. Jack trash talk.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 11, 2008 05:39 PM (htk1u)

189 Why do they hate her?

Because she's a social conservative and that's the worst possible person on earth. Add to that her popularity and charisma, and the fact that she very well may become president and the tooth gnashing is deafening.

Fiscal conservatives are annoying because they cut taxes and try to pare the government back but social conservatives appoint judges who won't do the bidding of the left, and that's all the power they have.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2008 05:40 PM (0+Ggj)

190 Good link to the Gut shooter. His intestinal fortrocity includes the following:

"To them, hating Sarah Palin is a symptom of larger bigotry against the rest of us, the normal. If they saw her at a party, they would wonder how she got in. She's the anti-Obama, the anti-New York Times, the anti-everything that Tim Robbins loves, which is why I love her — and you should too."

And it's true. They all hated Palin even before they knew there was a Palin to hate. Theyre sayin she's a smelly ol hog-ette in hose not cause of her stench is so bad but cause they hate her head to hocks. Theyre sayin she's filthy swine cause they aint had Sarah Shots. Theyve gone and registered probly 11 million or so illegals who don't even speak American and theyre feedin em all high protein Bridge to NowhereGate & TrooperGate & Ban BooksGate & Conflict-of-InterestGate & Expense-AccountGate & Screw-Due-ProcessGate & Forgot-to-Tell-Daughter-What-Boys-Like-To-DoGate & God knows what the shut the damn Gate all else - just so Spiffy Hans von Spavokodpiece & his voter fraud police have to put em all in jail before they get to steal this election.

Now this Gutty piece no mere spin. It's got that particularly rare clarity that even surpasses mere 'greatness' [Some liberal Dems might spell it "grateness", which also goes to the point.].

Folks, we're talking Babe Ruth pointing to right center in World Serious to punish the Chi Town Commies for not cutting his old buddy on their bench an equal share.

We're talking Butkus snorting flames to gain traction to get after YA Tittle.

We're talking Junior Johnson hisownself tellin' his pit crew to git off fightin' that minor fire under the hood he got a damn RACE to win!

There may be other ways: Vulcan mind meld, and DNA splicing are just a couple that come to mind.

Could be McCain gets to figurin with Missy Palin there aint nuthin worth wastin & git her to hook herself up twice a day to a sort of combination reverse dialysis machine & other bodily fluids retrieval system, call up ol T Boone to throw in for Precious Bodily Fluids Essence Purifier, suitably diluted to tamp down all that awesome raw power, then fill up 10,000 or so mini atomizers a day, start sending it out for distribution over the 30 days before the election and the duststorm in Obama's face will be so thick he'll quit or choke tryin.

Gut Shooter is saying if the Dems figger to call the Pod People's Party the Party of Hate then the PPP can play that game, just as dirty, twice as stinky & with lipstick on it to boot.

Hall - - of - - Fame - - stuff.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:29 PM (nrD02)

191 Also, too bad the Henson guy croaked: Miss Piggy stomping her high heels [Hey-UH!] on top of a mass of Green Progs would go over pretty good about now.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:33 PM (nrD02)

192 Also cutting out not just Ben & Jerry's but also Robbins 295 thousand flavours of ice cream would show some solidarity.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:35 PM (nrD02)

193 Has someone linked this yet?  Here is video of the talk in question at her church.  Watch it yourself and see what she was saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0UQbA0ZmmM

And write to Gibson at those links above!

Posted by: Desert Cat at September 11, 2008 06:38 PM (6go9w)

194 Also it's not fair McCain has to go down two weight classes & give away 25 years on the debates. I say this should be like the old WWF tag team death matches: Send in Ms P and Islamoboy will go down lower than them Islamosurgents at Abu Graib. We whipped em there so there's no reason she caint whip em here.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:40 PM (nrD02)

195 Also Obama self-solved that birth certificate matter by proving he's no American. Ms Sarah is pure 100% native born undiluted American all the way back to the Adam and Eve, so if she were a member of the genus Sus she'd be a collared peccary not what Obama said.

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:45 PM (nrD02)

196 And talk about state of denial: when will Obama stop lying about his calling Ms Sarah a pig in lipstick? Gibson is too thoroughly indoctrinated in the theories of Marks and Lennon to raise it, so I guess Hannity will have to do the deed again.

How long can Sean hold out against these forces of evil?

Posted by: Diderot's dog at September 11, 2008 06:48 PM (nrD02)

197 If that's what counts as "exact words" in the ABC's style book, I wonder what else they've done over the years?

Fact-checking, my ass.

Posted by: qrstuv at September 11, 2008 07:25 PM (zWeA8)

198

Has anyone considered that when Barack responds to a question with ....mmmmm....uhhhhhhh....rrrrrrr....slurpslurpslurp...mmmmm....uhhhh...

that he's actually thinking about sucking cock, including taking breaths,  as a mental pacifier of sorts?

OK, I made the slurp stuff up.  But geez....)

Posted by: fulldroolcup at September 11, 2008 07:25 PM (fH1BE)

199

Metoothen:  so Barry has gone from Saviour and Messiah and "The One" to

"I'm better than any Republican MoFo!!!"

Man, that's some inspirational shit!

 

 

 

Posted by: fulldroolcup at September 11, 2008 07:34 PM (fH1BE)

200 How very Clintonian of Charlie.

Using this logic I'm sure he'll ask Barack about this the next time he sits down with him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

Posted by: rockhead at September 11, 2008 08:09 PM (DvaIL)

201 My interview with Charlie Gibson:

"Charlie, you said in your interview with Gov. Palin that "our national leaders are God."  Do you still agree with that ?

CG:  "Ummm.... I'm not sure if that's exactly what I said."

Me:  "Exact words."

(actual quote:  "GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.""

Close enough by ABC standards.

Posted by: JB at September 12, 2008 01:58 AM (JC9Hy)

202 You know Charlie didn't do the "research" himself, and just had some low-level producer Google a couple of things. Great job, mainstream media.

Posted by: Kim at September 12, 2008 04:32 AM (NuONE)

203 I gave the following comment to Charlie:

Let me say that I think it's idiotic that some people believe that Charles Gibson is on a mission from Satan.

But wait. I guess the "exact words" a top journalist would attribute to me are that "Charles Gibson is on a mission from Satan"? Did I get that right? Please advise.

Thanks, Don

Posted by: Don at September 12, 2008 04:35 AM (bBy12)

204 The organization, CCAGW (council for citizens against Government waste) has issued a statement on it's website regarding the Bridge to Now Where providing the facts and defending the position Gov Palin has taken. link: http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/News2?abbr=CCAGW_&page=NewsArticle&id=11594

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