August 21, 2008
— Ace A fed study says yes, by gum, WTC 7 did collapse due to runaway fires and thermal expansion of key structural elements.
One surprise: Jet fuel apparently didn't contribute much to the collapse. At least not directly, in a fuel-splashes-over-to-WTC-7 sense.
You know what the Truther's theory is, right? They only imply this, but I believe what they're saying is that Flight 93 was actually supposed to hit WTC 7 -- but it crashed.*
So, alas, the government had a building wired with explosives but without a plane to hit it and "explain" the collapse... and, alas, either those bombs detonated due to fire, or the government decided to detonate the bombs to make sure they weren't found by firemen.
Or the guy who owned the property said "Pull it!" Or something.
I continue to be perplexed why Truthers believe the public wouldn't have been suitably angered by the mere fact off planes full of passengers smashing into the Twin Towers -- why they believe that it was really the collapse of the buildings (long after almost every victim of the disaster had already died, and almost (almost) every living soul in the buildings had been safely evacuated out) -- was really the crucial part of the Fake Pearl Harbor.
That, without the collapses, we would have all just said, "Eh, so Al Qaeda hit our buildings with planes with living hostages aboard and killed 3000 people in total. Big deal. The buildings are still standing, aren't they? Sure they'll have to be demolished due to being structurally compromised, but that will be our decision. Let's just chillax before making any hasty decisions or indulging in loose talk that might hurt Al Qaeda's feelings."
The fill-the-buildings-with-bombs theory only makes sense (in terms of government motivation) if it is postulated that the government believed that the hijackings, crashes, and mass-murders were not a strong enough drink to get us all drunkenly rambunctious for a Trans-Caspian Pipeline (or whatever); no, what we really all needed was the chaser of the collapsing towers. That, and only that, would get us hot for vengeance.
Because, otherwise? What fucking sense does it make to take the huge risk of filling buildings inhabited by tens of thousands of workers all day every day with enough explosives to put a battleship into low orbit?
Anyway. I'm sure this new finding from the US government, which by the way murdered 3000 people as a goof, will finally settle the issue.
* Actually, it didn't crash; it safely landed in Cleveland all passengers aboard were evacuated off, spirited to prison island, and then murdered, and then the plane was sent back into the air with a remote-control pilot and lots of already-dead corpses as "passengers," but then it somehow disappeared, and a crash that never actually happened was faked, or... something.
I don't know. They change their stories on this a lot, and their stories never make much sense in the first place.
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Posted by: bob1 at August 21, 2008 10:05 AM (h/5U0)
And WTC-7 was the headquarters of the CIA office that was running the whole operation, including the remote control piloting devices!
God, I need to stop watching Loose Change for laughs.
Posted by: Timothy Watson at August 21, 2008 10:07 AM (MFBDm)
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 21, 2008 10:11 AM (tX/+f)
truther: 9/11 was a diversion to cover up Cheney's shooting a senior citizen in the face!
sceptic: really? Cheney shot the man a few years after 9/11.
truther: See??? The diversion worked!!!!
Posted by: Tushar at August 21, 2008 10:20 AM (ZqHH5)
Aside from the fact that the towers didn't fall down straight and part of one gouged WTC7, helping destryy that building without any explosives.
It's pretty fucking amazing that we never talk about 9/11.
Posted by: ghy at August 21, 2008 10:20 AM (8jYMc)
Posted by: Reiver at August 21, 2008 10:21 AM (Yi1Sk)
Only the incompetent Bush administration's thugs arrested them by mistake due a public outcry on 9/11.
Posted by: Timothy Watson at August 21, 2008 10:21 AM (MFBDm)
Posted by: the voices at August 21, 2008 10:23 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Timothy Watson at August 21, 2008 10:26 AM (MFBDm)
"* Actually, it didn't crash; it safely landed in Cleveland all passengers aboard were evacuated off, spirited to prison island, and then murdered, and then the plane was sent back into the air with a remote-control pilot and lots of already-dead corpses as "passengers," but then it somehow disappeared, and a crash that never actually happened was faked, or... something."
Don't forget the live organ harvesting by alien androids!
Posted by: memomachine at August 21, 2008 10:26 AM (3PLow)
Bush of course.
Or Cheney.
Or the international Jewish conspiracy. They've set an e-mail alert system, don't you know?
Posted by: Timothy Watson at August 21, 2008 10:27 AM (MFBDm)
Who told the Zoroasters to stay home that day?
The Beha'i since it's well known that they control the Jews.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 21, 2008 10:28 AM (hn7Rm)
Posted by: The Stonecutters at August 21, 2008 10:29 AM (hlYel)
Posted by: Rocks at August 21, 2008 10:38 AM (Q1lie)
It was not an email that was sent to the Jews, "we received a handout at the lets blow up the biggest building in the biggest city of our biggest allie and tax seminar/how to get Madonna to convert to kabalah and distract the brits meeting" number 3
Posted by: Lou at August 21, 2008 10:39 AM (RNwpX)
Posted by: PR at August 21, 2008 10:48 AM (k7SeR)
As one typical Truther/Wile-E-Coyote-Level Genius once argued to me in a thread, the WTC buildings were probably built with explosives already in them. You know, in anticipation. The engineering firm was no doubt owned by Jews.
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 21, 2008 11:09 AM (MGv8P)
Posted by: Andy at August 21, 2008 11:12 AM (C3mTI)
Posted by: Batman at August 21, 2008 11:13 AM (lPxkl)
Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 21, 2008 11:14 AM (TPRbZ)
Posted by: abw at August 21, 2008 11:16 AM (O3p1A)
This has to be connected to the elusive Bigfoot somehow.
Posted by: pbrown at August 21, 2008 11:21 AM (vxGjP)
Which he said referred to pulling the fire/rescue teams away from the building, as it was a lost cause because of the fires inside. "Pull it" isn't even a term used in construction for demolition of a building.
But his last name is Silversteinbergowitz or something, so take it for what it's worth.
there were documents that had to be destroyed
See, that's why you hire Sandy Berger -- to steal and destroy the "Faking 9/11" files (no doubt from Cheney's personal file). It all makes sense now.
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 21, 2008 11:25 AM (MGv8P)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 21, 2008 11:26 AM (B+qrE)
Oh wait, Office Depot has a sale on shredders. Noooo, go ahead with the explosives and planes.
But you HAVE to get Rosie. Only she has the intellect to decode this devious plot.
Posted by: ghy at August 21, 2008 11:29 AM (8jYMc)
Which he said referred to pulling the fire/rescue teams away from the building, as it was a lost cause because of the fires inside. "Pull it" isn't even a term used in construction for demolition of a building.
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 21, 2008 04:25 PM (MGv8P)
Whenever a Truther brings up this "Pull It" crap, I ask them to produce a reference dated September 10, 2001 or earlier in which "pull" is used to describe a controlled demolition of a building. At that point, they call me a "sheeple" and say that I need to wake up and see the truth
Posted by: Sean at August 21, 2008 11:47 AM (3LifV)
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 21, 2008 11:49 AM (iJr31)
Posted by: truther at August 21, 2008 12:06 PM (Bj/HA)
Who needs Sci Fi when you have Truthers?
Posted by: katya at August 21, 2008 12:17 PM (RAAzK)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at August 21, 2008 12:21 PM (Gdmbk)
Posted by: NortonPete at August 21, 2008 12:49 PM (fVuwW)
Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition Inc commented on the idea that the Towers were brought down by implosion (I think it was on the BBC some years ago, but I can't remember exactly). Seeing as he and his company are the biggest and most successful implosion outfit in the world, he might know what he's talking about. He had a series of slides showing the work required to prepare a building less than 1/3 the size of the WTC for implosion. It requires months of prep work going on 12 to 16 hours day, and involved tearing out walls, torching through carefully selected beams, ripping out concrete supports using bulldozers, drilling holes in the concrete for the explosives, placing thousands of yards of precisely cut wiring and det cord, etc. He didn't really have to say it, but after presenting the slides, he said (paraphrase) "Now, does anyone believe that this sort of work can be done in secret in a building full of thousands of people twenty-four hours a day?"
But of course he's just part of the plan. He's been making all that extra effort for years to build a cover story. Otherwise he'd just send in his bomb ninja stealth team and take down stuff like the Seattle Kingdome overnight.
Poor Troofers.
Posted by: Flubber at August 21, 2008 12:57 PM (tvI8L)
So I'm wondering ... In Cormac McCarthy's post-apocalypse novel The Road, the protagonist see fire-blackened skyscrapers in burnt-out cities leaning crazily, and ascribes this phenomenon to heat having partially melted the joins in the steel-girder frames. But if, say, three big-yield thermo-nuke bombs went off over a city, wouldn't the heat generated by the explosion cause all buildings to collapse, like the Twin Towers on 9-11?
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at August 21, 2008 01:58 PM (1e8IN)
Suuuure it did. It was a "fire", alright....
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Posted by: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg at August 21, 2008 02:01 PM (WGcw3)
Posted by: bob2 at August 21, 2008 02:05 PM (h/5U0)
You fools. You bloody, bloody fools.
The building collapsed due the heat of the fires from THE BURNING OF ALL OF THE EVIDENCE PROVING IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
Posted by: wiserbud at August 21, 2008 02:22 PM (ktOaP)
Posted by: Jessie Ventura at August 21, 2008 02:34 PM (btpzp)
Is this subject really worth a comment?
Posted by: czekmark at August 21, 2008 02:34 PM (wt6Lf)
And the explosives didn't deteriorate OR preactivate for the next three decades because these were doublesecretprobation joo explosives. Not available in stores.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at August 21, 2008 02:46 PM (Z4vQo)
Posted by: polyodnell at August 21, 2008 02:59 PM (m2CN7)
Jessie Ventura at August 21, 2008 02:34 PM (btpzp
Ms Ventura you were actually a member of UDT and never went through BUDS. I assume they allow you to call yourself a SEAL through a grandfather clause. Just like another military hero.John Kerry who never corrected the press about being Irish, you seem to never correct the notion that you were a SEAL as we know them today.
Posted by: polyodnell at August 21, 2008 03:04 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: km at August 21, 2008 03:29 PM (mrk0R)
Well, this still doesn't explain how it fell faster than gravity, because it fell like that, faster than it could have with gravity.
Or maybe that was gravy, a nice brown gravy on top of a large mountain of mashed potatoes, sort of in the shape of a cone, but with a flattened top...
Posted by: Rev Dr The Man E Buzz Fucking Fuck Off Fuck at August 21, 2008 03:42 PM (sf4Oe)
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at August 21, 2008 03:49 PM (1e8IN)
No!
You've gotta be making that up. No one could be that monumentally moronic. Not even Rosie. Did somebody -seriously- argue that?
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at August 21, 2008 03:51 PM (MN787)
Posted by: hutch1200 at August 21, 2008 04:11 PM (J6t3Y)
First, the Truthers operate under the assumption that everything that happened was meant to happen; there are no coincidences to the paranoid.
Second, I wish the collapse of the buildings had come after everybody had died; the fact is that almost all of the firemen who died did so from the collapse.
It is true that the collapse of WTC-7 did not result in any deaths.
Thanks for the link on the Corsi post the other day.
Posted by: Pat Curley at August 21, 2008 04:28 PM (RA6PA)
No, I really mean it.
Because the fires didn't freaking melt the freaking steel. The steel softened. Think ice cream instead of ice. Mmmkay?
Steel will soften at temperatures far lower than it will melt. The temp at which it looses 50% or more of its tensile strength is well within those measured or estimated for the Tower fires.
So -sad to say- Rosie "the lackwit" was, despite herself, correct in the lesser sense, although completely off base in the greater sense.
Posted by: Casey at August 21, 2008 09:37 PM (RJSy/)
Posted by: Calix at August 21, 2008 10:46 PM (8d3U/)
They know they can't produce any evidence whatsoever on that one, or explain how they got it past a security team already geeked after one attack on that complex --- and explain how the plotters actually installed this bang-bang in office spaces running 24/7.
Posted by: quiller at August 22, 2008 04:36 AM (anceu)
I thought the WTC was destroyed because it contained evidence that Castro, Dick Cheney, Miley Cirus, the Teletubbies and Gorbechev all conspired to murder JFK in 1963.
Is there anything dumber than a Truther? ANYTHING?
Know what I've love to see? That Truther "Loose Change" movie, or whatever it's called, given the Mystery Science Theater 3000 treatment.
Posted by: Big Mo at August 22, 2008 05:27 AM (HI9pP)
Posted by: Cheney at August 22, 2008 06:28 AM (tq6GW)
Posted by: Pat Curley at August 22, 2008 11:21 AM (RA6PA)
His group, which has swelled to over 400 architectural and engineering professionals, immediately responded to the Institute's claim in a press conference.
"Tons of [molten metal] was found 21 days after the attack," said Gage in an interview with a Vancouver, Canada television station. "Steel doesn't begin to melt until 2,700 degrees, which is much hotter than what these fires could have caused."
"There are holes in this story that you can drive a truck through," Gage added during the press conference. His group asserts that thermite, a steel cutting agent, was used to bring the building down.
Dr. Sunder disagreed.
"We conducted the study without bias, without interference from anyone," said Dr. Sunder. "We have only one single-minded goal in this effort."
While the Institute said it considered the possibility of a controlled demolition taking place at WTC 7, the notion was dismissed due to the absence of any recordings of an explosion sound.
Thermite, however, does not make an explosion sound. And while this was raised to Dr. Sunder in the media's Q&A session, he dismissed it as impossible.
"FEMA found it," said Gage. "Dr. Steven Jones found it, in the dust that landed in the entire area of lower Manhattan. And he finds it in the chunks of previously molten metal [from the towers]."
Specifically, in Appendix C of its World Trade Center Building Performance Study, FEMA claimed:
-- a federal scientific agency which promotes technical industrial standards -- marks the first 'official' government theory on the collapse. and a member of the American Institute of Architects, doesn't believe a word of the theory. Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel... The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.Yet, no study of the mysterious sulfur or melted steel was included in the NIST report.
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