1 That the "Spinal Tap" rationale, they don't have a smaller audience, they are just more 'selective'; Didn't they learn their lesson from TimesSelect; where they wisely chose not to inflict Krugman, & Dowd on an unsuspecting public.

2

It seems to me that they need to raise the price to $10 a copy.  In order to help advance alternative news sources that don't destroy the environment.

3 And then there's Frank Rich.... I live in this town and I read the NY Post. My girlfriend (liberal [gasp!]) subscribes. Don't know what I'll use for the litterbox once they go under.

4 But, but, but, if they charge more, people will buy less and that will save the planet.

Right?

5 May we turn the NYT Building into AoSHQ Headquarters?

6 Around the office we call it the 'Sadr Strategy'.  You've seen our reporting on how Sadr wins in ways that less sophisticated observers term 'losing'. We've simply adapted his strategies to the media business. We expect similar results.

We're actually in negotiations with Mr. Sadr for the rights to work with him on a business book. Our tentative title is "It's Not the Bottom Line That Counts, it's the Press Coverage and Cocktail Party Invites".  I think it'll be required at all the best business schools in no time.

7 NYT will never shut down but I can't see it being relevant anytime soon.  I'm too skeptical to even imagine an unbiased new source but I wish someone would at least try. Starbucks is just crap in cup. Most any bookstore and my kitchen can make better coffee for less $. I get these swipe cards for Starbucks and just throw them away.

8 The Sunday edition is 4 bucks and they do sell about 1.5 million of them ,its drop in circulation has been only about 50% of that of the Washington Times which seems to be about the only right-wing newspaper that is comparable. Of course the fact is that the Washington Times is kept afloat only because of the generosity of the Rev Moon

9

Starbucks isn't a coffee shop.  It's a desert store.

This NYT price thing is starting to remind me of pets.com.  Maybe the sockpuppet is free.

10

a san fran airport shop had them at $9 when i was there last.

oh. and CODFISH!

11 John,

Thank you.

I'd give you a complimentary subscription for your slavish devotion to liberal causes.  Unfortunately, we can't afford it.

Obama '08!

12

yah- and converted into aussie currency which was 55cent to the US $ that was about 14bucks or something

CODFISH!

13 I'll have a Venti Style section, please.

14 The Sunday edition is 4 bucks and they do sell about 1.5 million of them ,its drop in circulation has been only about 50% of that of the Washington Times which seems to be about the only right-wing newspaper that is comparable.

John, by saying you now regard the NYT as comparable to the Washington Times, I'm fairly certain you've posted what they would regard as the most offensive insult on this thread.  I won't argue.

15

OK, help a 'tard out here.  Am I supposed to be going to ace.mu.nu or ace.new.mu.nu,  or ace.fu?  WTF?  It's like a freakin' shell game at the canival.

Oh, as a pre-emptive strke, don't offer dailykos.mu.nu or huffpo.pu.wu or any other wise cracks like that.

Thanks in advance.

16 I don't get the starbucks hate... a large coffee is $1.70, same as I pay at the cafeteria at work.  At least where I live, it's just the place where normal people can get coffee... maybe it's different if you live in a big city.

17 Is there a link on the Washington Times figures? Not that I wouldn't take a troll's word for something ...

18 I have no objections to the higher price of the N.Y. Times, but I wish that the price had a more gradual adjustment.

19 Raise the price even higher, but offer rebates if you pay cash for the paper!

20 How much carbon goes into an issue of the NY Times, anyway? I'm just asking on behalf of a fevered planet.

21 pending $6.00 on a cup of [f-bomb] coffee at Starbucks You can get a 16oz cup of coffe at Starbucks for $2.00 (they'll even give you a 10 cent discount if you bring your own cup). Plus, if you pay with one of those gift cards, refills are free (otherwise, normally 50 cents).

22 $1.50?  That's ridiculous.  I'm switching back to Charmin.

23

smaller and smaller -- err, "more selective"

ace, you are solid gold!

 

24

 NYT Raises Price of Copy a Quarter Up to $1.50

Good luck with that.

Any minute now,  they're going to ask that the government socialize nationalize the newspaper so people can afford it. Oh I know, maybe they can offer newspaper stamps.

The type of people who read it are the type of people who will see this as reasonable.

25 It's not the paper that's the problem.  It's the ink that they smear on it every day that lowers the value.

$1.50 doesn't sound bad for a pad of blank paper delivered to your house every morning.

26 I understand taking on the Times, though I must admit I do read it.  But what's the deal with taking a shot at Starbucks?  Its a good cup of coffee. 

27 From "all the news that fits the print" to "there's a sucker born every minute"

28 ...newspaper stamps...

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a bill is introduced to do just that. Maybe even subsidized radios so the children can listen to NPR.

29 It does make sense, though, I have to admit. They're writing for a smaller and smaller -- err, "more selective" -- audience every day

Apparently Spinal Tap is running the New York Times.

30

A couple of years ago I use to go to the Oregon coast on a regular basis, a small town called Manzanita.  Very left wing.  They have a coffee shop in town, Manzanita New and Espresso or whatever that had tons and tons of magazines, a bunch of which were hard core lefty socialist, dope smoker today, whatever.  National Review... nope.  Anyway, they also had Tibetan Prayer Flags, aka napkins for $18 and buttons of all sorts and sizes, "corporations suck", "power to the people", "people not profits".  They charged $6 for the NYT and even though I would always order the same thing, 2 large lattes, not to complicated, the total was never the same.  $6 one day, $6.80 the next, $6.45 the next.

Eventually I found another coffee shop.... that had much hotter (and less butch) women working the counter.

31 1 That the "Spinal Tap" rationale, they don't have a smaller audience, they are just more 'selective'; Didn't they learn their lesson from TimesSelect; where they wisely chose not to inflict Krugman, & Dowd on an unsuspecting public.

I gotta learn to post on the old site so these don't become redundant.

32 After stopping my various subscriptions to newspapers, I would buy them on the weekends and occasionally during the week. Then I limited myself to ones left behind in cafes.  Then I went to online and now I am totally detoxed from the Slimes. 

33 With any luck they'll go out of business before John McCain has a chance to 'correct' his op-ed.  Sort of reminds me of the old line 'if we don't hurry up and surrender in Iraq we just might win this thing'.

34 And then there's Frank Rich...

Who, frankly (pun intended) was a much better theatre critic than he is a political commentator.

35 Speaking of NYT douche bags...

What's the latest from Paul Krugman? He was talking shit about the economy since Bush's first day in office. Now that we're in a economic slowdown his vagina must be all wet.

36 And Frank Rich was a lousy theater critic...bada bing

37

Ace,

This has been your best day of posts evah!

38 Mark Steyn is infinitely better at both.

39

The NYT weekend edition is the only thing keeping the paper going, and Rupert Murdoch is gunning directly at that with a competing WSJ product.

The weekend WSJ should be hitting its stride this time next year, and will be the final nail in the NYT coffin.  They're already strangling the NYT by offering ad space for less.

Good old Rupert.  He's the greatest thing since whatever the last greatest thing was.

I just wish a bunch of rich conservatives could buy one of the alphabets.  It might just save this country.

40

#25 - oh c'mon!  -he stole that whole spiel from the 'spinal tap' movie.

And by the way, Barack Obama has the tastiest nutsack I have ever had the privilege to feast my moist tongue and full lips upon.

 

CODFISH!

41 If I want an absurdly left-wing rag to read, the LA Weekly is free.

42 $1.50 doesn't sound bad for a pad of blank paper delivered to your house every morning.


Sure, that'd be great if you had little kids. We got a roll-end of newsprint when I was a kid and had weeks of fun with it.

43 Wait a minute - you have to pay for the NY Times? 

44 I thought you meant they give you $1.50 when you haul away one of their piles of compost.

45 "Who, frankly (pun intended) was a much better theatre critic than he is a political commentator."

Hell, I'm a better theatre critic (let alone political commentator) than Frank Rich, and I haven't been to the theatre in years.  And only to the movies about twice a year.

46 Fuck the NYT and the horse they rode in on. 

47

I don't fuckin get this.

Columbia has now admitted rescuers posed as FARC terrorists, Red Cross medics, and journalists??

How many of them were there?

The FARC camp was just suddenly overrun with strange new FARC command, red cross medics, journalists, mimes, and dwarves.

How many disguises can you wear at once?

48 Give up, FARC terrorists.  You are surrounded by a crack set of highly trained commandos!

Ah, OK.  Would you believe "red cross medics, journalists, mimes, and dwarves"?

49 I thought the WSJ was Ryan's "right-wing" boogie man newspaper?

50

Man in Che t-shirt with a red cross armband holding a CNN microphone, an AK-47 and a mackerel enters the FARC camp:

'Hola! I am a former heavyweight boxer who was down on his luck following a career ending motorcylce accident, who recently climbed back on the wagon and joined up with FARC like you, posing as a reporter doing undercover work as a red cross worker who's pretending to be mute to get disability AA preferance, with a PhD in climatology, doing an expose on how deforestation effects global warming, while disguised as a local fishmonger. Please show me where you keep our hostages, my comrades!'

51 Brandish that mackerel, man!  Brandish it!

52 Oh, thanks.  Next time, a "don't be taking a drink while reading this" warning would be helpful....  Now I gotta clean off the keyboard again...

53 Colombia admits? If you want to fool terrorists you have look like someone the terrorists would reasonably expect to be on their side. Dressing as soldiers would have been a disaster, dressing as rich corporate executives wouldn't have been much better. Should they have come wearing hunting clothers with "No Somos Soldados" embroidered on the backs? The left wants it both ways. It can't be a war, it has to be a crime. But when the authorities use ruses that a police force can use (and are not subject to international law), the left cry about using the Geneva symbols.

54 I guess it is the f*cking that makes the coffee so expensive at Starbucks!  Who knew?  I thought it was the beans that travel through the digestive system of a weasel or something like that.

55

I have no problem with practically anything they do.

FARC is not signatory to the Geneva conventions so Columbia has no obligations to follow them while dealing with it. Nor does FARC follow the Geneva conventions.

The 'McCain' argument is half baked. 'We need to act good - so other countries will act good. If we don't act good, how can we expect them to?'

The problem is they allready aren't. Why doesn't the same logic apply backwards? If they don't act good, why the hell should we be expected to?

If we act good no matter what out of principle : Why the hell should they? There's no incentive here!

The NGO types and media are essentially on the side of terrorists, because they disproportionately aid them. The standing army has it's own medics, it's own field hospitals, and it's own PR department. The terrorists do not.

If Red Cross can't work with FARC without worrying about being shot by them (because Columbian soldiers disguise themselves as Red Cross) I say good. Then the Red Cross might want to think about not working with them. At least not until FARC starts upholding Geneva convention guidelines and then expect Columbia to as well.

In short, if NGO's want Geneva convention status they should be working with Geneva convention signatories (or at least, abiders). And not getting Red Cross help would at least provide some leverage, some actual incentive, benefit/disadvantage to whether or not FARC follows some of the 'rules of war'.

Terrorists (like Hamas) allready do disguise themselves as red cross. Yet we don't worry about standing governments (like Irsael and Columbia) shooting red cross because of this tactic, do we? No.

Human actions are like lightning - we follow the path of least resistance. Want to control where it goes, set up a conduit. Want the rules of war followed, you have to make it worthwhile to follow them, incentivize following and disincentivize deviance. You can't just enforce the rules on one side regardless, and then hope the other follows out of just the goodness of their heart. It winds up being masochistic, like pacivism, that inherantly supports the most aggressive, recalcitrant side.

Columbia can use biological/chemical agents on them for all I care. When FARK starts signing (and abiding) by treaties, then I'll expect the same of their opponents.

56

I don't get the starbucks hate... a large coffee is $1.70, same as I pay at the cafeteria at work.  At least where I live, it's just the place where normal people can get coffee... maybe it's different if you live in a big city.

And I can make a cup of coffee at home for about 0.02.  What's your point?

57 But what's the deal with taking a shot at Starbucks?  Its a good cup of coffee.

It's burned. They've trained millions of people to love the taste of water strained through charcoal.

58 This is blatant profiteering!  The government must take action!

59 Hey, at least you don't live in the NewYork City; imagine having to see the NYT without even trying...

60

Hey now, don't be hatin.  You know we're gonna reconnect this business to you, our customers by returning an "emotional attachment" to Starbucks.

I'm shooting for an emotion somewhere between "disdain" and outright "loathing".

 

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