1 If Obama can't lead the spokespersons in the Democratic party and compel them to adhere to Obama's request that they back off, how on earth does he expect to lead our nation, or for that matter, the world?

2 So would it be correct to say that while McCain was being tortured in isolation in Vietnam, Obama's friends were trying to blow up the Pentagon?

Just checking.

3

I would not have believed that the Democrat party would actually pick a candidate that is worse than John F'n Kerry.

4 Do these guys want Mccain to win. I think by putting this stuff on the table it will allow Mccain to go after Obama ( hopefully) If they left it alone Mccain would have nothing to go on.

5 I thought the reason it was cool for Obama to turn down public funding was that he had to be able to fight back against the Republican 527 groups that are, like, totally controlled by McCain, and he couldn't fight back with public funding because everyone on his side would be working with his campaign.

6

Indeed, the claims of these four men — and the short period of time in which they were all uttered — are so similar in tone that one would be foolish not to at least consider the possibility they were coordinated by the Obama Clinton campaign.

Fixed. And sweet, sweet schadenfreude it is.

7 Yeah I thought that was an especially clueless and leftist approach: if you weren't a hippy, then your service meant nothing. Fighting in the war? Being a prisoner? Bah, we were the real movement back here at home putting flowers in gun barrels and smoking weed, man!

8 I like what that quote from Thomas and Wolfe doesn't say.
"It is a sure bet that the GOP will try to paint Obama as ‘the other’ — as a haughty ( ) black ( ) intellectual ( ) who has Muslim roots (Obama is a Christian) and hangs around with America-haters ( )."

9 So in other words, the GOP will campaign against Obama by telling the truth?

10 "Given that Obama's "Chicago mainstream" pals are terrorist bombesr for the Weather Underground, we know he's familiar with that period and its predominant mode of leftist thought. So I guess he's the one with real experience, huh?" That and the fact he was all of 14 years old when Saigon fell. That's when we're all at our intellectual peak, eh?

11 >>>That and the fact he was all of 14 years old when Saigon fell. That's when we're all at our intellectual peak, eh?

And he was 30-40 when he befriended him.  I guess that too was a "youthful indiscretion."

Bernadette Dohrn actually *cheerleaded* for the Manson murders, calling them "sooo cool."  That's the sort of company he's chosen to cultivate -- as an adult.

12

This is getting tiresome. The democrats convince the media (not a very difficult task)  that the republicans are the party of the smear and cheap shot... so when goofball Larry Johnson, a Hillary supporter, says there's a tape of Michelle Obama saying whitey. The  AP and the New York Times blame republicans.

Now after several left wing wackos, to include Wesley Clark, say McCain's military service is not a plus (in some cases even saying he should be ashamed of it) - suddenly in one of his hopey/changey speeches  Barack informs us that he respects John McCain's service but also takes this opportunity to inform us that he won't allow anyone to question his own patriotism.

Are there still people out there who buy this narrative BS that the democrats are helpless victims of the right wing smear machine?

13 These comments are so obviously absurd and insulting to normal Americans that McCain doesn't even need to respond to them beyond the standard dismissal.

It's one of the dumbest political attack lines I've ever seen. Are they going to blame the deaths on the Forestall on McCain next?

14

When are they going to start comparing McCain's stint in a cell to him being just like a convict?

The left these days has no sense of perspective and absolutely no class.

15 I hope McCain comes out fighting like the bastard he can be.  He needs to stop being so "nice."  Frankly, it's boring me to death. 

16

When are they going to start comparing McCain's stint in a cell to him being just like a convict?

No no no... remember, Donks love convicts!

17 If McCain was "isolated" during the Vietnam war, then what was Obama?  Didn't he already say that he was running around in diapers during that time (when he threw Ayers under the bus)?

18 This is indeed perplexing.

I don't understand why they're even going there, as they say. The only conclusion is that they have absolutely nothing to use against McCain as far as substance other than his age, his POW record, and how he'll be the 3rd term of George Bush.

That's good news for McCain, I guess.

19 well, I guess they'd have to compare his stint with a stint in white collar crime prison... that'll get the liberals all riled up!

20

Military service records are a matter of convenience to Democrats.  Good for them, bad for Repubs.

I question their patriotism.

21 These comments are so obviously absurd and insulting to normal Americans that McCain doesn't even need to respond to them beyond the standard dismissal.

It's one of the dumbest political attack lines I've ever seen. Are they going to blame the deaths on the Forestall on McCain next?

I agree with you.  This is why I think McCain will win this year (or rather, Obama will lose).  As we get closer to the election and things get more heated up, Obama and his campaign will not be able to portray themselves as the moderates they are trying to be.

22 I've still got the feeling Repubs and McCain are going to get creamed this election.... but on the other hand I'm notoriously bad at predicting political events, I have less than a 1/3 accuracy on these things!

23 I've still got the feeling Repubs and McCain are going to get creamed this election.... but on the other hand I'm notoriously bad at predicting political events, I have less than a 1/3 accuracy on these things!

Thats another reason I think McCain is going to win! 

24 Next attack:

"Why all this concern over Obama's associates?  JOHN MCCAIN spent years associating with known communists!"

25

I wonder when a "reporter" will shove a microphone in McCain's face and ask him what he thinks about these people questioning his patriotism. Maybe they'll get some good video of McCain punching the "reporter".

Probably not though so don't get your hopes up John Ryan.

26 It's one of the dumbest political attack lines I've ever seen. Are they going to blame the deaths on the Forestall on McCain next?

That's where this line of attack logically ends up, so I wouldn't bet against you.

27 Actually the most appalling thing for me have been the attacks from the left accusing McCain of being a traitor for signing the "confession" after months of torture. Smacks of naunce.

28

Once again, some lefty dolt romanticizes the 60s.

THEY SUCKED except for some isolated music spots.

29

I hope McCain comes out fighting like the bastard he can be.

 

We know he can say "fuck you".  Be nice if he said it to someone besides John Cornyn.

30

The Dems have got nothing on McCain's service.  That's why we're seeing this ridiculously stupid line of attack from them.  There's no way to compare Obama to McCain when it comes to serving the country and self-sacrifice.  Their only hope is to make an absolutely batshit crazy attack stick by having multiple Dem celebs repeat it over and over again.

This isn't the last time we're going to hear this crap.  There's still plenty of time for another eight stupid fuckwits to say it again.

31

"These comments are so obviously absurd and insulting to normal Americans that McCain doesn't even need to respond to them beyond the standard dismissal."

Really, runninrebel?  How'd that work out for Dubya with the "Bush Lied, People Died" slander?

Hard-assed conservatives like myself who've never trusted McVain are watching his response to this garbage.  A wave of the hand and a "this does nothing to bring down the price of gas" weak sister response just hardens the impression that Maverick won't fight back and is still naively thinking the TSM and the Party of Surrender, Slavery and Sedition^TM are going  to fight fair.

McCain needs to hit back on this hard, fast and now, or get an attack rottweiler ASAP to lure the Magic Negro out from behind his teleprompter and give his glass jaw a good solid punch.  Otherwise, it just encourages more of this sleaziness and frustrates the base who see themselves doing the heavy lifting to defend a candidate who won't defend himself.

Remember, we're dealing with an enemy press determined to throw the election to Bambi and a dull-witted public that put the Syphilitic Hillbilly in office twice.  If McCain doesn't pound back at this line of attack day and night, it turns into "truth."

Just.  You.  Watch.

32 Good GOD that's so many different kinds of stupid. That's the one spot in McCain's resume where nothing can possibly be gained by trying to stick a lever.

33

McCain's a nasty fighter once the Times agrees to his choice of opponent.

And I agree, this is the dumbest line of attack I can remember. How can it possiblty reflect well upon Obama? Even if it were an effective negative for McCain, it reflects even worse upon Obama. Sheer stupidity, just blathering any old thing like that.

And Beers is a tool.

34 I'm thinking the point is to get McCain to lose his temper. They want to show him as unhinged. What better way than to go after the defining event of his life?

35

"So I think," he continued, "to some extent his national security experience in that regard is sadly limited and I think it is reflected in some of the ways that he thinks about how U.S. forces might be committed to conflicts around the world."

As if McCain could only learn about foreign policy during Vietnam. I mean, I'm sure when he got home, he wasn't curious about it. It's not like he's spent the rest of his life working in related fields or anything.

I'm just sick of Vietnam as any kind of litmus test. Yes, when you look at character, you can sure see some differences btn McCain and oh, say Kerry and Clinton (B). But it isn't about Vietnam.

36

Stinky: I'm laughing my ass at your comment when I suddenly realize that it actually might happen.

The entire thing is just madness, I tell you, madness.

 

37

How can it possiblty reflect well upon Obama?

Remember how many people voted for Kerry, knowing full well how he behaved after the war? There are a hell of a lot of liberal boomers who protested the war, thought America was the bad guy and can't bear the cognitive dissonance of that vs. knowing what North Korea really did to John McCain.

So they get reminded that McCain wasn't protesting the war and didn't learn the lessons they did. He ain't like us, man.

38 They're trying to take McCain's one true strength, and turn it into a weakness. Which if they merely said, "Military service in and of itself doesn't necessarily guarantee a good presidency," they could make a decent point. Unfortunately for them, Jimmy Carter, an Annapolis grad, is the best recent example. But what they are doing instead, and apparently they just can't help themselves, is they are saying that McCain's heroism isn't that important (when it is a valuable consideration that any reasonable person acknowledges) and, more darkly, "was John McCain really that heroic?" Which, when you think about it, contradicts their own position. If heroism isn't that important, why are they trying their damndest to call it into question?

39

So, as a result of being shot down, locked in a cage, tortured and beaten for five years, John McCain "missed out on the political education" of the Vietnam era.

Yet at the same time, Obama was 6-10 yrs old and living in Kenya with his father's family.  Amazing how a gradeschooler's out of country experience is somehow more educational than a Naval Aviator's combat tours and front row seat to the realities of the war?

Damn, that Obama is one smart guy.  We need a whipper-snapper like that to finally make the US a country we can all be proud of.  I can just feel the patriotism swelling.

Or maybe it's the bile rising.  Can never be sure.

40

A moment please -

Obama's campaign is an insight into his foreign policy approach.

Apparently, nobody actually *works* for Obama, everybody is an independent actor who, apparently, is acting according to their own interests and beliefs.

So far, Obama's policy of "rebuking" has had exactly no deterrent effect.  And, given that Obama's not taking any action beyond expressions of regret, there's no consequence.

Hmmmmm .... Barack offers lots of diplomacy, but no deterrence and no consequence.

that'd definitely be a change from the Boooooosh strategy.

 

41 I would think we would not see something like this happen 8 times unless it is part of a deliberate strategy.  Tells me that Barry's people have good reason to believe it will work.  My wild ass guess is that they are confident he has a huge support base which doesn't care that McCain was a POW, and actually thinks that Obama's days organizing in the "community" (whatever the fuck that entailed) and 2/3 Senate term are sufficient experience for the presidency.  I hope that's not the case, because it says a lot more about We the People than Obama or his water-carriers.

Either that, or they want to see how hard they can smack McCain before he actually cares.  After all, the only people they've ever seen him pissed at are Republicans.

42 If the left isn't careful they'll keep goading McCain to the point where conservatives will finally be filled with white, hot anger against Obama and actually show up at the polls to vote against him.  I thought their strategy was to fly under the radar, not reveal their true selves and lull conservatives into not voting because there is no passion for McCain.  But now, here they go, unable to help themselves.   Once again, the undisciplined rabble that comprise the Democrat Party can't keep the lid on their impending sense of glee that they'll win the presidency, which hopefully will backfire on them again.  Just like Kerry.  Just like algore.

43 Another thing, the Obama folks just might be cursed enough to get what they're wishing for if they're trying to bait McCain into anger over this stuff. Mouth-foaming is bad, but righteous anger is a powerful thing... and if McCain lets tear one good "Have you no decency" ripping of an asshole, a lot of folks are going to look at that, and like what they see.

44 McCain and the other POWs got to listen to speeches by American anti-war activists (including Kerry) broadcast to them everyday in the prisons.

They were beaten for refusing to meet with the traitorous American "peace" delegations that came to visit to showcase how "humanely" the commies were treating the prisoners. Sometimes they disfigured themselves so

Maybe it's just me, but I think being beaten for resisting anti-war propaganda ops gives one a very intimate and hands-on view of American anti-war politics.

45 Really, runninrebel?  How'd that work out for Dubya with the "Bush Lied, People Died" slander?

You mean two-term President George W. Bush? The one that won the only majority since Reagan and garnered the most votes of any candidate ever? That Dubya?

46 Stupid sockpuppet

47 This is nothing but feeding raw meat to the Koskiddies while no one is paying attention.

That's the thing though, wiserbud. They won't be able to stop themselves. The attacks will continue to escalate until they end up on the "McCain cooperated with the NVA" line in October. They've been dying to "swiftboat" an R for four years and they won't let the chance go by.

48

Pistolero- the flashpoint you mentioned (more or less) has been reached, least it has in my household.

The two voting age people there have gone from "eh, who cares about picking between a liberal and a LIBERAL" to "That's it- b.hussein is goin' down."

 

49 Here's the thing.

Democrats kinda like McCain.  They have to really convince themselves that he's Bush III, that he's not qualified etc.  Remember that he's TEH MAVERICK and this has earned him some real cred with the left.

The one thing they don't like about him is the military background. 
That's why they're attacking him like this. 

It's just poor salesmanship, really (selling on your own perceptions instead of the prospects).  It's also why it doesn't make sense to anybody thinking rationally.

50

It's more than that.  Obama cannot approach McCain's service, not even close.  The only way to take it off the table is to send surrogates out to diminish it, tell us why it's really no big deal, didn't prepare him to be Commander in Chief, while Obambi delivers a speech that redefines "patriotism" as everything in his agenda.

 

Sure, it pisses off people who understand honor and sacrifice.  But there are a lot of morons that will be persuaded by this crap.

51 But there are a lot of morons that will be persuaded by this crap.

Maybe. But if they're that dumb they'll get lost on the way to the polls. Or they'll get distracted by there car keys and go to Starbucks instead.

52

Guys & girls, I've got to tell you that I am getting a little worried.  Why aren't the Repubs throwing any punches?  Has ANYONE (except probably the Clintons) done any opposition research in the target rich environment that Obama has inhabited almost all of his life?  Obama is famously clumsy when confronted with a question that can't be answered with the help of a teleprompter.  Why doesn't someone ask him a "Kitty Dukakis" question and just watch him fold?  We need a defining moment.

The Dems are at least throwing something at McCain - admittedly really stupid shit - but, at least they are punching at him.

Are the Repubs afraid of being called racists for asking a question?  If so, WAF!

53

This is pathetic. They are attacking him because he was a POW? I understand that they are trying to attack his strengths (integrity, service to the nation, honesty, chin, heart) because Obama does not possess them, but this is so out of line that it is not even funny.

Does this mean the Democratic position re: Vietnam is:

-domestic terrorism is a good thing if you do it for the right reasons. Please enjoy your tenure.

-serving in the military causes you to miss things that would lead to actually understanding foriegn policy if you chose to enter government after serving your country. If you are wounded or a POW you will miss out on important things (rich babyboomers doing stupid shit) and will never really understand what Vietnam was all about.

54 Speaking of baiting him to anger, the other theme they've promoted  is that McCain's unstable and has an ungovernable temper--never mind that former president Bubba was the only one who repeatedly turned purple and berated people publicly on the campaign trail.

There's talk on the lefty sites that that Brave New Films creep is following him around trying to catch him on camera losing his temper. That Mike Stark stalker guy got into a townhall and asked him about a nasty rumor about Cindy McCain and some other guy asked him about him calling his wife the c-word. Then there's the Code Pinkos who follow him from venue to venue to disrupt his speeches.

So I think there's an effort being made by the nutters to provoke a reaction, and he's certainly had to put up with more crap on the trail than Obama has.

55 Thanks WiserBud.  I hope that's it.

56 Surely the Republicans are saving most of the good stuff for September and October. Lord knows, there's a treasure trove out there on Obama-Lama-Ding-Dong.

57
I would not have believed that the Democrat party would actually pick a candidate that is worse than John F'n Kerry.

I would.

Remember: Carter, Mondale, McGovern, William Jennings Bryan ... George B. McClellan?

Lots and lots of practice.

58
Given that Obama's "Chicago mainstream" pals are terrorist bombesr for the Weather Underground ...

Also [corrupt] political hacks of the [corrupt] Daley regime administration.

59
This negative take on McCain's POW experience is really unbelievable.

Some time ago back I spent several years interviewing many survivors of the Bataan Death March and the Luzon Campaign of 194-42. Most belonged to the two battalions of the Provisional Tank Group that surrendered along with the rest of the Fil-American army when the Philippines fell to the Japanese. Those brave men underwent horrific experiences as prisoners of war. They were heroes in every sense. Their struggle to survive was as trying, if not more so, than actual combat (but, let's not forget, they were also combat veterans--like McCain, fighting to the very end, when Bataan was surrendered). The strength of character they developed and which enabled them to survive their captivity was extraordinary beyond measure. I hold McCain in equal regard.

60 Hokiepundit: You said it all, man. B) But we can't question his patriotism for hanging out with those America-haters, that would be racist, ignorant, and just plain mean.

Stoopid Dhimmicrats, trying to hit McVain in the strongest part of his political protfolio. I suspect if those people were around back in the day they would be claiming that Grant wasn't a real soldier 'cause he wasn't at Gettysburg, and Teddy Roosevelt wasn't a real soldier 'cause he only led a charge up 1 Spanish-occupied hill. Whatever.... Sorry, oh Dhimmicrats, you guys are all a bunch of appeasenik losers, everybody knows it, and trying to prove the Republicans' man a non-hero, despite his very real heroic status, is not helping your position any. If anything, it is reminding a lot of unhappy Republican voters why they were happy to see John "winter soldier war hero" Kerry lose in '04. Yeah, keep working that angle, McCain in '08 thanks you for it.
 

61 This approach will go over real well with the VFW and union rank and file crowds.

62 The Dems just don't get McCain.  Even if he is, or becomes, an unhinged, vengeful warmongering psychopath, it won't be the ground forces he'll use against all enemies, foreign, domestic, or imaginary. 

The man is Naval Air all the way.  The first strike on Iran by McCain will be F-22's off a carrier, bet on it. 

And maybe then a B-2 or F-117 bomb run, just to mollify the Air Force brass. And some cruise missiles from cruisers and frigates and subs, to make the rest of the Navy happy.  And Osprey flights of Marines to secure the US embassy in Tehran before the surrender documents are signed.  The ground pounders will act as advisers to the Iraqi military guarding one border, and the Afghan army guarding the other.  The Turks, they can guard their own border just fine without us watching, thank you very much.....

63

Are there still people out there who buy this narrative BS that the democrats are helpless victims of the right wing smear machine?

Yes, and they are legion!

64 Hmmmm.

So.  3 months in Vietnam, on a boat, is a qualification for President?

65 Eighteen percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth, one poll has found. Thus it seems slightly less egregious that, according to another poll, 10 percent of us think that Senator Barack Obama, a Christian, is instead a Muslim.
With the "gold" standard of 18% pretty darn clueless, this certainly renders the 'Obama is a Muslim' meme pretty darn moot.

How many believe 9/11 was an "inside job" ?

66

Mikee,

I'll bet there won't be F-22s flying off any carrier ever. 

67
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