September 01, 2008
— Ace One silly bit of made-up information I've been confronted with is the frequent assertion by lefties that Levi Johnston is, and I quote, an "eighth grader." I'd seen that claim made two or three times on different web-sites... including this one, via one of our Moby Trolls.
When someone asked me about this (she had just read it herself), I tried to make sense of it, and tried to imagine why the hell a 17 year old girl would be dating an "eighth grader," and how it was possible they could be married with him at that age, and what kind of absolutely horrible marriage that would turn out to be.
And what about statutory rape? That's quite an age difference. Four or five years means a lot at that age.
And then the dime dropped, and I asked, "Who the hell says he's an eighth grader? The same lefties who claim that Trig is an incestuous love child of Bristol?"
The thing is, they just keep repeating crap like this over and over. One of these shits makes it up, and the rest just start repeating it.
Then Madame MuscleGlutes sees if she can push it into the mainstream.
The normal state we exist in is to assume most information we read is true, or sorta true, or true-ish.
We assume that people may be biased or just plain wrong. But we don't assume that hundreds of people conspire together to coordinate a lie they not only positively know is false, but they happen to know that first-hand, as they themselves invented the facts a couple of hours ago.
That's a weird thing: Coordinated mass lying. Shit is slipping by us that we're assuming might be true or somewhat true (those missing months of Bristol's when she was carrying baby Trig, that "Alaskan Airline crew members stated Palin didn't look pregnant," etc.) just because we're simply not used to thousands of people agreeing to spread deliberate lies to as many people as they can. The fact that multiple people on multiple websites are claiming it, seemingly independently, tricks us into thinking, subconsciously maybe, "Gee, they must have gotten that from some article; they all couldn't just be lying in unison."
Or could they?
I'll print this posting found at DU, tipped to me by the great Larwyn, again:
122. What many here don't understand. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH.The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet:
Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
If people start to think that there might be something fishy with Palin's last kid (if hers), then that's FINE. One more doubt (whether tied to reality or not) is another hesitation at the ballot box.
GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE. The "rising above it" bullshit has served us so well in the past, hasn't it?
If you have problems with the story, then STFU and get out of the way of Dems who are engaged in MODERN POLITICAL WARFARE. Go tend your garden or some other pedestrian task, because the "concern trolls" are not helping shape the message.
J
So now I kind of have it stuck in my head that Bristol's soon to be husband is an eighth grader.
Except he's not. He's 18 and just graduated high school.
Not really the "eighth grader" I was expecting him to be.
Seriously, be aware, there is a deliberate and -- I guess the word is "cynical," but that seems to understate the situation so grossly -- viciously, haughtily cynical effort to simply put out as many lies as possible and repeat them as frequently as possible.
The old rule that lurks in the back of our minds is inoperative: "This many people can't all just be deliberately spreading the same lie!"
As their cult leader says: "Yes we can."
"They must be held accountable:" Um, I'm sorry -- accountable for what?
Obama and the Blogs: Is Obama behind this?
It is kinda true that suddenly every left-wing source was pushing this story -- or, as in Colmes' case, where he was too timid to push the story itself, he pushed a related story that didn't accuse Palin of faking a pregnancy but "raised questions" about why she'd board a flight in such a delicate condition. (Wink, wink.)
Talking Points Memo and Kos and Sullivan of course get Obama tips. Did Axelrod suggest to Sullivan the story was worth pursuing? It is almost too ludicrous to even imagine Sullivan didn't ask Axelrod about the story's provenance before running it.
And, well... who knows who "ArcXIX" will turn out to be.
But I don't think that Obama has to encourage his cultists to be rotten lying inhuman bastards. They seem to be eager self-starting volunteers.
Obama definitely is pushing stuff on to the lefty bloggers after the MSM turns it down -- stuff like wild claims about the race card and white women, etc. -- but this still seems to be a pure nutroots sort of thing. It's their particular insane style.
Hmmm... If Obama's pledged to not spread this sort of filth, isn't he required to stop all aides from communicating with/coordinating with/tipping Kos and Sullivan?
Hmmm II: Check out how Obama's cultists are setting up Moby sites to attack Palin and McCain.
(Note: Read through to the update at the end before you blow your gasket too much; the guy running these sites says he has no connection to Obama's campaign. Whether that's true or not, who knows. Let's say he has no official, provable connection and let it lie at that.)
Edit: I quoted a source who Mr. Right told me wasn't necessarily authoritative. Since the quote really didn't advance what I was saying much, anyway, I've decided discretion is the better part of valor and just omitted the reference.
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Posted by: Trollhammer at September 01, 2008 07:47 PM (iXM3B)
Posted by: Grammar police at September 01, 2008 07:48 PM (c9DJu)
They do not care about the truth, they care about their agenda.
Posted by: Chris at September 01, 2008 07:48 PM (koK5J)
Posted by: Robbie at September 01, 2008 07:49 PM (zBJRo)
Posted by: Robbie at September 01, 2008 07:52 PM (zBJRo)
Posted by: Sean M. at September 01, 2008 07:52 PM (e6v7s)
and a hook for a hand.
The kids call him "Captain Dummy Hook."
Sad situation, it is.
Posted by: Bart at September 01, 2008 07:53 PM (eGRG+)
Which threads did our trolls drop this in?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 01, 2008 07:53 PM (BWTSB)
Posted by: The Obvious at September 01, 2008 07:54 PM (1g+FW)
You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose. 'These aren't the bat shit crazy vicious radicals I thought I knew..." blah, blah, blah. He can get away with it because they will no it's total bullshit anyway just like Wright. They know where the guy's heart is.
Posted by: Rocks at September 01, 2008 07:55 PM (7rbe9)
So, this Larwyn has made it official. It isn't about right or wrong. It is, and solely is, about power and any means being justified by the pursuit.
What stunningly loathsome people.
Posted by: epobirs at September 01, 2008 07:57 PM (ix9OE)
Posted by: Christoph at September 01, 2008 07:58 PM (hawOV)
I'll clarify that.
Posted by: ace at September 01, 2008 07:59 PM (1WR4H)
Posted by: The Obvious at September 01, 2008 08:00 PM (1g+FW)
and have pre-marital sex with 14-year old retards.
Doesn't sound very Christian-like to me.
Posted by: Trab at September 01, 2008 08:00 PM (eGRG+)
And Rocks is right; Obama is trying to set up his Sister Souljah moment at the expense of the liberal blogs. He did the same thing in his 2004 Senate race, where he was pontificating about "leaving family out of it" while encouraging his nutball supporters to be emailing all sorts of details about Jack Ryan's love life.
The counter-meme is simple; make it clear and obvious that not only did Obama know about these slurs, but that his campaign was actively encouraging people to make them.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at September 01, 2008 08:00 PM (zcuAg)
Wait till I tell my friends what I just made up learned! Andrew Sullivan will post it by 10am eastern.
Posted by: A DUmmy at September 01, 2008 08:00 PM (hlYel)
You see what's happening. This is deliberate. There is evil afoot.
John at Power Line sees a different manifestation and he's also right.
Posted by: Christoph at September 01, 2008 08:01 PM (hawOV)
My apologies to Larwyn.
Direct my remarks instead to the DU poster. Although I give him credit for honesty about the nature of his depravity.
Posted by: epobirs at September 01, 2008 08:03 PM (ix9OE)
I don't think he's got the chops to do this.
Clinton was a masterful politician, while Obama is a fine speechmaker and little more. The nutroots are his base, so I think he views them as his meal ticket.
Telling them to STFU is a little too nuanced for him
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at September 01, 2008 08:03 PM (JBuzy)
Back when Fahrenheit 911 came out, I saw a trailer which contained the allegation that Bush had allowed OBL's relatives to leave the country over the objections of the FBI and while the ban on commercial aviation was still in effect. I treated it as a "fact" and was concerned about it, wondering why they would have done such a thing. Of course the truth is that the ban on aviation had been lifted, the FBI had finished questioning them and that it was Richard Clarke who had ultimately green-lighted their departure.
The problem is that most Republicans, like most people, really are open-minded. We do not want to automatically believe only the best of our allies and only the worst of our opponents. We will consider new facts when we encounter them and be ready to criticize bad behavior of those generally support.
The reward for this is for us to have our good faith manipulated by the worst of the left who are willing to make up any lie and are willing to ignore any refutation no matter how iron-clad. I could drag up a Hitler quote, but why stoop to that level when that S.o.C. Durbin will suffice. I don't have the exact words, but Durbin once said that it didn't matter what his opponents were guilty of, it only mattered what he could get them indicted for. In other words, accusations need not be true they only must be damaging.
I don't know about the rest of you, but while I don't want to give up on aiming for intellectual integrity, I die a little inside every time I am forced to face up to how naive it is in this political climate.
Posted by: Glen at September 01, 2008 08:04 PM (HX/9W)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 08:05 PM (AZGON)
yeah, this is a totally new phenomenon. Just ask Dan Quayle, George Bush's supermarket scanner, the entire freaking hollywood blacklist era, and probably a hundred other things we don't know about because the lies are still holding up. Leftists (Communists) spread lies, it's what they do, they don't even need an Alinsky to tell them that. At least now thanks to blogs like this we can catch them and spread the word just a bit, imagine what it must have been like before Rush and the blogs.
Posted by: Adrian at September 01, 2008 08:07 PM (Eu/Um)
Barry was despicable on Cooper, tonight. He is running scared. Internals must be really, really shitty.
Posted by: Editor at September 01, 2008 08:08 PM (p4YSL)
I worried that the kids in question will take so much heat that their mom will drop out. Which is what they are trying to acomplish here.
Man....they are scared to death of her.
Please Lord, give the Palin family the strength to weather this storm and smite our evil foes......
Posted by: bob hussein dole at September 01, 2008 08:09 PM (tLuWS)
Unless the MSM puts pressure on Obama (which they won't) by making this ugly rumor-peddling a front-page story, Obama has to do nothing. Why? Because the only feathers getting ruffled here are Republican feathers, and no one gives a shit about Republicans.
Posted by: Naomi Wolf at September 01, 2008 08:10 PM (eGRG+)
I think a partial explanation for the nastiness of the lefty response to Palin is that they have to justify their own hate to themselves. If McCain had picked any of the obvious choices, the Left's attacks would have been long-planned. Every rabid lefty attack chipmunk would have an entire manifesto ready explaining why the pick was a horrible person whom it would be noble and virtueous to slander. The Palin pick blindsided them, and they found themselves hating and plotting to destroy someone whom they had no reason to hate. Thus the frantic delving into the muck of the fever swamps.
In short, having already decided to act viciously to whoever was picked, they now have to convince themselves that the target (who turned out to be someone they didn't expect) deserves it.
Posted by: Anachronism at September 01, 2008 08:10 PM (oHQqd)
Posted by: Bart at September 01, 2008 08:11 PM (eGRG+)
Further, as has been noted, this is just the way Barrack does business. Have proxies do the dirty work. He makes on pro-forma statement that this shouldn't be discussed and then any and all smears that come are not connected to him. Even if they come from his people.
And one can see why Bristol let her panties melt. The guy doesn't look like an emo or metrosexual. That probably pisses the left off more than anything else.
Posted by: XBradTC at September 01, 2008 08:11 PM (soV1p)
Does that make any sense. Bottom line: they all suck, and I want to watch them go berserk when they lose again.
Posted by: Kensington at September 01, 2008 08:11 PM (xFNQx)
Obama could do it to, he threw his own grandmother under the bus for God's sake.
Posted by: Rocks at September 01, 2008 08:11 PM (7rbe9)
Posted by: Patrick Joubert Conlon at September 01, 2008 08:12 PM (dRSKH)
Posted by: Gran at September 01, 2008 08:13 PM (mTWN+)
Posted by: Wineball2000 at September 01, 2008 08:13 PM (EVx81)
Did any of you see some of the protests staged outside of the convention? The bile they were spewing was the nastiest anti-American memes of the Left. That's the Democrat base; there's no way Obama is going to say anything to these people.
Posted by: Bart at September 01, 2008 08:14 PM (eGRG+)
Rocks, that person suggesting a sistah souljah moment was the adorable horse toothed MKH, supported by Juan Williams.
NDT, it's actually more than that, as far as the ryan divorce records. They recruited a "respectful" paper, to file suit for the release of the records, and a complicite judge, while agreeing with the ryans that it would in fact do harm to the child (the thing that the sealing was supposed to prevent in the first place) the judge did it anyways.
Both ryans opposed it, the judge, supposedly the advocate of the child and the public, said fuck the chiled, and fuck you two, releasing the info based on an opinion that the individual he was most supposed to represent (the child) would in fact be harmed by the release.
It was a disgrace, and Obama did the same thing, with the "I don't think this should be a part." but he really didn't oppose it.
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 01, 2008 08:17 PM (ul7te)
Uh, no. He couldn't even throw Wright under the bus in more than a half-assed way. Barry's not decisive enough to really cut anyone off, and will keep half-n-halfing it to his doom.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2008 08:18 PM (2z2WN)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 08:19 PM (AZGON)
Wow, I'm going to do something odd here, and actually defend Obama.
Kinda.
I don't think Obama is pushing these rumors or is playing the plausable deniability game here. If for no other reason than fear of backlash. But I think the guy is naive and maybe foolish on how the world works... but not evil.
His comments, I believe off the cuff about leaving family alone, seemed genuinely sincere to me.
Buy these DU and Kos worms on the other hand, they know they're intentionally spreading lies about 17-year old innocents, and doing it with glee, because they think it helps the "Progressive cause." Progressive my left testicle. And Sullivan, he's even worse because he should, well, know better. Even though he doesn't.
(And William Jennings Bryan would be spinning in his grave if he knew these were the folks who took up the Progressive mantle.)
But back to Obama. I don't think he's into this. He's a nube. He's Bambi. He is, if you were to simply talk to him about everyday stuff non political, a pretty decent guy. But he tapped into the anger of the Netroots for support, and he is now realizing what sorts of people these folks truly are.
That is why Obama is scary. He lives in Oprah world.
And his supporters will do anything, anything, to get him elected. Including Goebbels-esque coordinated lying. (Yes I know, Godwin and all.)
Posted by: Lee at September 01, 2008 08:19 PM (AFE7Q)
Shame on him if he hasn't.
btw, remember when the Democrats invented the term "mean-spirited" for the Republicans? Irony, much?
Posted by: Bart at September 01, 2008 08:20 PM (eGRG+)
Dude, you don't come up through the Chicago machine by being a naif.
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2008 08:21 PM (2z2WN)
>You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose.
Never happen. Pigs fly first. Then cats and dogs cohabitate. Then the Cubs win the Series. Next, flying cars, and bacon that lowers your cholesterol. THEN Obama cuts the nutroots loose.
Posted by: Jones at September 01, 2008 08:22 PM (KOkrW)
obama does coccain in front of his daughters. Obama has a love child to Scarlett. We haven't seen Scarlett in any movies lately she must have taken a break to have the child. scarlett should document her travels day by dat to confirm this rumor is false.
We need to find Obama's drug dealer to confirm the story if he did the drugs in front of his children...
Hmmm we can all do that I guess.
Posted by: unseen at September 01, 2008 08:22 PM (aVGmX)
Posted by: someone at September 01, 2008 08:24 PM (2z2WN)
Right. His acquaintance to the philanthropist and community activist, Bill Ayers, is just wonderful.
And by philanthropist I mean traitor, and by community activist I mean cowardly terrorist.
Posted by: Bart at September 01, 2008 08:25 PM (eGRG+)
He is establishing moral status by saying he would fire anyone, but he didn't denounce the particular statements, as he has requested of 'pubs a bunch of times.
He didn't mention WHO was behind it, he simple said "wasn't me."
The guy deals with scandal like he's fucking shaggy!
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 01, 2008 08:25 PM (ul7te)
Ace has been promising these things in post after post. Are you telling me it isn't true?
Posted by: Rocks at September 01, 2008 08:25 PM (7rbe9)
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 01, 2008 08:28 PM (ul7te)
>get out of the way of Dems who are engaged in MODERN POLITICAL WARFARE
Let's give them a war, then.
Posted by: Jones at September 01, 2008 08:28 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: bleh at September 01, 2008 08:29 PM (GNCy6)
WP,
No baseball guru, me!
But I will go out on a limb and say that the Broncos will be absolutely ordinary this year.
Posted by: Jones at September 01, 2008 08:30 PM (KOkrW)
Change you can believe in!
Posted by: morbo at September 01, 2008 08:30 PM (DDKPv)
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 01, 2008 08:31 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: zippidy doo dah at September 01, 2008 08:34 PM (9gEre)
Posted by: Andy Hussein Sullivan at September 01, 2008 08:35 PM (2jQGY)
Posted by: xiat at September 01, 2008 08:37 PM (hfvWM)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 08:40 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Tom W. at September 01, 2008 08:42 PM (pXS7q)
Posted by: Sean M. at September 01, 2008 08:43 PM (e6v7s)
Posted by: nightwitch at September 01, 2008 08:43 PM (dfTf5)
Cough, wife beating cokehead, cough.
Wasn't in the papers but was pretty well-known by just about everyone around town.
Posted by: in the know at September 01, 2008 08:44 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 08:44 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 01, 2008 08:45 PM (ul7te)
This is where lies and smears come from.
Posted by: XBradTC at September 01, 2008 08:45 PM (soV1p)
Posted by: XBradTC at September 01, 2008 08:46 PM (soV1p)
Posted by: thebronze at September 01, 2008 08:48 PM (YlH3h)
But I agree with Lee about Obama: I don't know if he's naive - at least not anymore, not after the education of the campaign - but I honestly don't think he's behind the Palin smears. As Ace pointed out, why push them yourself when you have the nutroots willing to do that so eagerly? A guy like Axelrod, however? Oh, I could definitely believe that. People who live outside of Chicago will have a hard time understanding just how hobo-fucking DIRTY and smashmouth Chicago politics can be, but I would argue that it outstrips any other city in the nation, including NYC. And it makes national political contests look like tea parties. Axelrod is from this milieu, and while I even doubt that HE is behind the Palin smears personally, I have no doubt whatsoever that he has taken account of them and expected them to happen.
Axelrod (and the Chicago-based Obama team) ARE NOT MORONS, however, which leads me to wonder whether their understanding of the likely path Palin slurs would take on the nutroot vine is something they tacitly approve of. I think it far more likely that - since they're not fucking stupid - they're mortified about this and want it to die as soon as possible.
Which makes me smile. Obama's biggest fans are his worst enemy, as per usual. The GOP has traditionally been The Stupid Party, and our behavior in office over the past 8 years really hasn't done anything to change that image, but let it never be said that our rank and file contributed to the sort of self-destructive own-goaling that the Nutroots have.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 01, 2008 08:55 PM (BWTSB)
Pick a tactic that you and your people enjoy
Freeze the target, personalize the issue, and attack, attack, ATTACK.
Alinsky loved to ambush people with false information that they couldn't respond to, and create the illusion of an upswelling of opinion in his favor, or the illusion of a general consensus.
There will be no "sister souljah moment" (SSM) because Obama is plausibly insulated from the nutroots crowd. All he has to do is keep issuing bland pronouncements like "X is off limits" and the media won't push him to do anything further. All an SSM would do is make people
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at September 01, 2008 08:56 PM (YvLui)
"They don't need an Alinsky to tell them that" - ah, but Alinsky did tell them that. All these lies are straight out of Rules For Radicals. McCain needs to nail him to the fucking wall on this.
Obama needs to consider this, and consider it now. If a democracy is taken over by thuggery and lies, in what way is it a democracy at all anymore? How much legitimacy will President Obama be able to claim?
Posted by: David Ross at September 01, 2008 08:58 PM (ThkMv)
Minor Tangent: New Cool Thing About Palin
There's a video up on google video of Palin fielding CSPAN caller questions for a half hour in Februay at the site of a governors' meeting. She's poised and articulate and all that we expect, the part I want to call attention to comes about 18 minutes in.
The interviewer asks her about whether she'd accept a VP bid from McCain and presses her. And she demurs the way you're supposed to, but she doesn't pull any false modesty. "I would love to serve at the national level, eventually." And goes on to express how she has her hands full with Alaskan issues &c.
But this woman knows she has chops and she's not going to pretend otherwise.
Posted by: Prufrock at September 01, 2008 08:58 PM (vISQb)
You know, Ace ...I ain't so sure you got this quite right, yet.
More and more, I've begun to think that these fuckwits actually believe this crap they spew ...that they really don't have the skills to differentiate between truth and non-truth. Their moral sense is so twisted that they've no inherent discernment of the difference between good and evil.
Combine these deficits with a total lack of any kind of ability to reason in the rational sense, and you kind of arrive at the sad conclusion that even speaking with them is pointless. (Pray for 'em, yes: but debate? - It's an utterly wasted effort. Their only hope is for a miraculous intervention.)
...they're like songbirds who can mimic human words, but the content isn't even part of their world. Poor parrots ambiguously aping sentience.
Posted by: davis,br at September 01, 2008 09:01 PM (zewwG)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:09 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:17 PM (AZGON)
Freddoso's book "The Case Against Obama" is a hatchet job, and like other books in this genre it throws the iron filings at the magnet and invites us to see if they fall in a pattern.
The pattern here is that Obama is an admirer of strongmen who organise their supporters, take over the nation and ??? and utopia!
But Obama is not secure enough in his own skin to be one of those strongmen himself. He is just about good enough to make the sort of friend who can help him, many of whom are this sort of strongman. Hence, Wright. Hence, Ayers. Hence, Stroger and Daley and Rezko. (Haven't heard of Stroger? You will.)
I expect Obama's cabinet to be full of these petty tyrants and crooks. They will all spend the first two years of his administration bickering amongst themselves. Meanwhile the Democratic Congress will pretty much own the US domestically. Overseas, if you liked how Bush looked into Pooty-poot's soul, then you'll love Obama's puppy-dog-eyes at Hugo Chavez, lil Kim and the various Arab dictators.
Posted by: David Ross at September 01, 2008 09:19 PM (ThkMv)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:21 PM (AZGON)
And he looks like he'd be a lot of fun. I can see why Bristol fell for him.
Posted by: nightwitch at September 01, 2008 09:22 PM (dfTf5)
Posted by: Whoooot at September 01, 2008 09:23 PM (vt8OU)
You better believe it ace. LGF caught Obama's "Fightthesmears" site itself spreading rumors about Palin
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31096_Whos_Behind_Anti-Palin_Smear_Site/comments/#ctop
Posted by: William Amos at September 01, 2008 09:27 PM (JOZ3S)
We have this all wrong. Obama has been bleating the same message, over and over. A new kind of politics. What's happening in this election certainly seems new. What has changed?
We keep skating around it, because every time we get close to it, our better natures repel us from it, but it's starting to shine with crystal clarity - at least for me.
We keep talking about Obama coming up out of Chicago politics, but we don't ever examine that truth for what it means in terms of modus operandi. It translates roughly, for most people, as "Bad Mean!" We know about projection. We know that, when the netroots accuse us of some dastardly trick, they're revealing more about what they are capable of than what we are actually doing. We laugh at them and keep ourselves above it all, but many of their lies have begun to stick, at the expense of some things we hold dear.
Consider. We make fun of Obama's assertion that campaigning for the Presidency counts as experience. Part of what makes that seem so ridiculous, to me, has been the lack of any tangible connection between what Obama does, and how much people support him. We joke that they've drunk the "kool aid", but we would never suspect the guy in the big glass pitcher suit of being anything more than a prop, in the right place (the refrigerator), at the right time (high noon on a summer day). We've been assigning all of the action to the thirsty kids with empty dixie cups, never to the kool aid guy himself. (At least, never for very long.)
So the folks at Redstate are checking into the Kos kid that most actively advocated the rumor, but they aren't bothering with the one that first brought it up. Hey, someone heard the rumor and posted a poll about whether they should follow it up, but it was some other guy that ran with it, right?
Follow the Money. Ask, Who Benefits? Does it make sense to chase after a bunch of internet yahoos that have no more invested in all this than the applause of virtual buddies, but graciously refuse to consider that the man who reaps the reward, including our trust in his good natured above it allness?
Notice how many times he's stepped in just a little bit too late to be able to put the genie back in the bottle. Are we trying so hard to avoid being dubbed paranoid conspiracy nuts that we're letting the obvious slide on by? I wish I knew. But I hate the idea that the lovely Sarah could end up covered with so much smear that people decide it's not worth the effort to find the light shining from underneath.
Posted by: Rebecca at September 01, 2008 09:30 PM (NL+2l)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:31 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:39 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mr. Right at September 01, 2008 09:48 PM (+1Q/0)
Honestly just try and post a negative story about Obama on popular sites. They swarm on it to shut it down.
I dont doubt that the nutroots arent proactive themselves but believe me there is a lot of winking and secret handshakes between these two groups.
Posted by: William Amos at September 01, 2008 09:49 PM (JOZ3S)
Can read more about Soros and Obama
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/20/the-democrat-party-platforms-hidden-soros-slush-fund/
Posted by: William Amos at September 01, 2008 09:51 PM (JOZ3S)
73 - Oh I readily believe that the conscious manipulation of the simpletons based on an malignant intent is real enough. Or sourced in Evil, as far as that goes (based on my theology). Still: pawns aren't Queens ...though queens are pawns on this board (could not resist).
Posted by: davis,br at September 01, 2008 09:52 PM (zewwG)
Posted by: SpideyTerry at September 01, 2008 09:56 PM (mK0kB)
A leader can best be judged by the results of the movement they create. So we should hang every one of Obama's supporters around his neck. Every lie should be titled as "Obama supporters are claiming..." rather than "Lefties are claiming..."
Right now they are actually using "liberal" and "leftist" as a smokescreen to peddle Obama's smears while giving him deniability. I call it the "Smear and Smile" strategy. It's time we name every smear after its daddy, even if he tries to deny paternity.
"Obama's supporters are launching new attacks against Sarah Palin's 5 month old son"
Posted by: Tyrtle at September 01, 2008 09:58 PM (BRWtH)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2008 09:59 PM (AZGON)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4
Posted by: metro1 at September 01, 2008 10:20 PM (JTPjW)
The memes there:
1. She's not really a porkbuster.
2. She's a close associate of Ted Stevens
3. She was a bad mother for flying home to have Trig
4. She's a secessionist
5. She's a Buchanan supporter
And on and on.
Posted by: Jim62sch at September 01, 2008 10:29 PM (ubHgw)
Okay. I really don't think that, but I've reached the point where I'm afraid to point a finger in the direction I know is right, because I might be thought a conspiracy nut. Not so afraid, obviously, that I don't go ahead and do it.
I want evidence dammit! A breadcrumb trail of IP addresses, and now, before the trail is processed into bird droppings. If messages are being sent, then there is a way to intercept them.
And hell yes Tyrtle, we tie this crap around his neck. We don't need to wait for the magical revelation of the breadcrumbs - they certainly don't.
Mr. Orwell. I think the only ones that ever bought that fiction will never let it go, but we at least have to keep contesting it. Anonymous worries about Il Duce, and so do I. I grew up in - and still live in - a mostly Jewish community. I've spent most of my life trying to figure out how to recognize the coming of the totalitarian movement. I've taken the measure of the courage that such situations require, and I pray that I'll never need to go beyond the academic.
Posted by: Rebecca at September 01, 2008 10:34 PM (NL+2l)
Posted by: ace at September 01, 2008 10:47 PM (1WR4H)
Palin is like cancer to the left, just like Clarence Thomas. They will do anything to destroy her, because they know the risk she represents to them. Everything is about identity politics and making people dependant on the state to them. She turns that on its head.
Posted by: Rob at September 01, 2008 11:00 PM (8IWMm)
Posted by: Sean M. at September 01, 2008 11:02 PM (e6v7s)
Want some advice? If you see a smear against Levi Johnston on a prominent lefty site, screencap it.
There's a higher standard of proof when bringing a lawsuit for defamation against a public figure. Defamation against some 18 year old recent high school grad and hockey player? Not so much.
He's only being dragged into the public spotlight by the smear merchants. If I were him, I'd be calling up a lawyer today.
Posted by: Hadlowe at September 01, 2008 11:16 PM (zK1MQ)
Posted by: Josef Goebells at September 01, 2008 11:58 PM (blNMI)
But there's another narrative of which we should be aware. If there are indeed players of 3-dimensional chess manipulating our society, what if the motive is sheer destabilization for destabilization itself? If everything is settled and calm, status quo gets reinforced. If one is out of control (politically/economically) yet remains powerful, that is an undesirable position. What to do? Destabilize. You tear down from within and hope that your position is enhanced. Even if your perfect plan fails, you at least changed the environment and upset the status quo which wasn't helping you anyway. You can always try to destabilize again. This is standard fare to subversion and pretty common in any society. Undermine the government or the politics that compose it and move in with your own team. People like Soros are quite effective in this sort of mission.
What's more and in particular to the U.S., we are in the midst of various debates on the freedom of speech. See Fairness Doctrine and McCain-Feingold. Those who would try to regulate speech to mold politics know that we, collectively want "free speech." It's not really true because we've seen how the fascist Left (and the legacy media) have been propagandizing and filtering for decades, but in principle, "we" support the First Amendment. Now, with the subversive message machines we have on the internet, it's getting harder to know what's true or how to refute that which is virtualized first on the net and then in the mind. Also more difficult is attributing the disinformation and checking the source. Enter the desire for government intervention by the masses to force the validation of who, what, when, where, and why something was written.
What's the point? Even if the smear merchants lose the battle by antagonizing honest debaters, their masters will still win the war by allowing proxies to decry the offensive tactics while they themselves craft legislation to restrict speech or to make it "more fair." As an example, let's apply to current day. The Left prefers the Fairness Doctrine more than the Right because legacy media is dying. With the obscene smears becoming more ubiquitous to destroy candidates, Right and Left will warm to the idea of some sort of control on speech. Congress will be forced by popular demand to respond and we'll have "fairness" thrust upon us. Advantage Left.
Those 3-dimensional chess players will have two bites at the apple. Undermine and smear with the direct and immediate goal of getting your guy in power as a front. Manipulate the puppet. If that fails and you see no short- or mid-term opportunity to turn the government, then press for legislation that would reset the battlefield in your favor. An army of online smear merchants would prove very useful to those who would destabilize.
And with that stream of consciousness, I'm off to my nightmare sleep.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 02, 2008 12:15 AM (sI5Ho)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 02, 2008 12:29 AM (NV3P1)
Palin said she was glad that Obama recognized the importance of Alaskan natural gas reserves:
I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaskas natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs, Governor Palin said."
So some lefty bloggers have twisted that into Palin supporting Obama's energy plan. Even Glenn Reynolds ran with it. What turned such a smart guy turn into an Instatard?
Looks like the Palin Effect has the power of several million hydrogen bombs.
Posted by: Tinian at September 02, 2008 12:30 AM (1Mq7K)
: My soul followeth hard after Thee.
(Psalm 63: 9): But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
(Psalm 63: 10): They shall fall by the sword, they shall be apportion for foxes.
(Psalm 63: 11): But the king shall rejoice in God. Everyone that sweareth by Him shall glory. But the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 02, 2008 12:59 AM (np0pW)
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Posted by: Stormy70 at September 02, 2008 01:00 AM (Y+o71)
Ace, "The truth is whatever serves the Party" is an old communist mantra.
They've been lying for (how old is communism?) 100 years and getting the benefit of the doubt. I think we just entered a new era of leftist sentiment so now it is more blatant.
Posted by: captkidhussseiney at September 02, 2008 01:29 AM (TVjed)
The Obvious
Easy...he'll have the disenfranchised ex-Hillary/ex-Palin/ex-Hillary voters in his pocket, man.
Posted by: DngrMse at September 02, 2008 01:33 AM (r8xd5)
I took a look at the politics area last night, and a number of regulars appear to have gone batshit insane over Palin.
I know they're capable of rational discourse, and yet they're repeating the idiotic and vile fake pregnancy crap - and a whole lot else beside. So I started a thread asking why.
If I get an answer beyond "you started it!" I'll report back. But I don't hold out much hope.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 02, 2008 01:58 AM (2yngH)
a related story that didn't accuse Palin of faking a pregnancy but "raised questions" about why she'd board a flight in such a delicate condition. (Wink, wink.)
Again, mor evidence as to why we shouldn't trust Palin. Apparently, the grand scheme to make people believe she was pregnant fell apart when she went on a commercial flight not looking pregnant. Didn't she have enough sense to secretly fly in a private jet or to wear her fat suit? Clearly, Rove wsn't at the head of this scheme. They made too many rookie mistakes.
Posted by: Steve L. at September 02, 2008 03:08 AM (o0YD+)
Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at September 02, 2008 03:51 AM (5Psnq)
She sold it on eBay, which is another reason to love her.
...and I'm with Stormy, if anyone like that had liked me when I was in high school...I think the women who "pity" Bristol about being "forced" to "ruin her life" are just batshit jealous they couldn't get any positive attention from guys when they were 17. Or 27. Or 37.
Posted by: Radish at September 02, 2008 03:52 AM (K9LZg)
How about a bumper sticker of our own:
Ask Bristol Palin
Liberals are MEAN
Posted by: Reiver at September 02, 2008 03:55 AM (Yi1Sk)
And, well... who knows who "ArcXIX" will turn out to be.
Half of DKOS is now convinced it is none other then.....
...
....
WTF! Get on the drums dude! I'm hanging here. Don't make a fuckin maniac out of me!
....
KARL ROVE!
And no I'm not kidding. They appear to be serious.
Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 04:06 AM (m6c4H)
At any rate, I have been given an advantage in life of dealing with nitwits, because I grew up with someone who'd do this.
Not political, no. And not nasty.
But he'd just make shit up - invent it on the spot out of I don't know what - and then actually believe it, once he heard it come out of his own mouth.
He'd state it tepidly, like a guess, like 'I thought..". Then, once he heard his own voice say it, it was accreddited.
"No really, I heard that somewhere".
Yeah, jackass, from you, 15 seconds ago when you made it up.
Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 04:09 AM (m6c4H)
Since the 1960s, he's run for various political offices, disappearing for hospitalization, popping up again with a new name, stalking charges, declared a vextigious litigant, etc. Anyway, as much as I sympathesize with people suffering from mental illness, he's a real pain in the ass and has been one for decades.
Posted by: grc at September 02, 2008 04:12 AM (PF/ZE)
Case in point ; The cub scouts on the bus.
With my right hand to God . I swear, if anyone threatens my son like those lefties did than they, and they alone , are responsible for the consequences . Real men defend their families . Yeah, my neck is red. Honestly red . A lifetime in the sun will do that to people of my ethnicity . Nuff said.
Posted by: aubrey at September 02, 2008 05:27 AM (q/Z0+)
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Posted by: Ybom at September 02, 2008 05:42 AM (ao5cQ)
What did you expect? We took a drink when we were 18 and look what they did to us.
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Posted by: BC at September 02, 2008 07:01 AM (U+5Rv)
Ace ... once again, you completely miss the forrest for the trees.
"If Obama's pledged to not spread this sort of filth, isn't he required to stop all aides from communicating with/coordinating with/tipping Kos and Sullivan?"
No, but what Obama is supposed to do is announce that he's cut off all advertising from those sites. You see, those sites live off Obama's funding. He's funding those sites with his ads.
Obama is funding the sites spreading the falsehoods, and until he announces that he's no longer funding them - by removing his ads - then these rumors are coming from the Obama campaign machine.
That's the Chicago way, buddy. And it's time you wised up to it.
Posted by: Bernacke at September 02, 2008 07:05 AM (Ncq2X)
The problem is, the dirty work is being echoed by the legacy media and what crazy crap comes out of DU shows up on mainstream sites and on the lips of talking heads within a few months. Because honestly, some of them are on DU.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 02, 2008 07:26 AM (0+Ggj)
family menbers are off limits?? o please... only if you are a democrate.
look at the roumors of recient past...
chealsey clinton got knocked up by a secret service bodyguard...he got transfered, she had abortion..media looked other way
al goreIII arrested drunk and higher than a kite days before 2000 D.N.C. drugs found on him and in him...daddy bails him out..charged reduced to reckless driving...media keeps mouth shut
bristol palin is pregnant...IT"S OPEN SEASON PEOPLE
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Posted by: RD at September 02, 2008 08:56 AM (Zg47L)
Aw shucks, thanks aubrey! And I think we may be ideological brother and sister as well. Didn't I read in another thread that you were a 9/11 convert to the "dark side"?
Posted by: nightwitch at September 02, 2008 10:45 AM (dfTf5)
This is one of the problems with lying a lot; you begin to believe your own lies. Eventually, you become the lie.
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Posted by: aubrey at September 02, 2008 01:30 PM (q/Z0+)
Of course Obama took the high road in public. He OBVIOUSLY couldn't agree with the trash talk, or it would be the end of the election right there. So he took the high road, while his buddies in Daily Kos et al took the low road. The very low road. For that they are all going to burn in Hell. C'mon everybody, vote Republican this year, and let these clowns pickle in their own malice.
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