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September 05, 2008

Democrats Keep Hope Alive! Push Idea Palin May Still Get The Eagleton Treatment
— DrewM

Apparently the suuuuppper-geniuses at Obama-Biden HQ don't watch TV. Or read the papers. Or surf the internets.

In memos, e-mails and phone calls this week, Obama campaign officials have urged surrogates and allies to mention Republicans who are "nervous" about the Palin pick and to link those worries to George McGovern's aborted vice presidential pick of Thomas Eagleton in 1972, according to three Democratic surrogates.
That year, McGovern rescinded the pick after learning that Eagleton had been treated for depression. Questions about the thoroughness of the Palin vet have been raised, particularly about how and when Palin disclosed the news that her teenage daughter is pregnant and whether Palin's political resume had been thoroughly scrubbed.

Allow me to offer this bit of advice to the Obama camp...if anyone should be worried about being thrown off the ticket, it's McCain. Now of course that's not going to happen but the fact that after everything that happened the Democrats still think their crap is going to work, they are dumber than I thought. Honestly, I didn't know that was possible.

Note to Joe Biden...remember that Eagleton was a Democrat. Take Rudy's advice, get that VP thing in writing.

Posted by: DrewM at 09:37 AM | Comments (48)
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Joe Biden has to be glad Palin is there, or else someone might start paying attention to him.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2008 09:38 AM (KpEAZ)

2 Obama has been drawn into a race against McCain's VP. He's fucking toast.

Posted by: DaveS at September 05, 2008 09:39 AM (iaV9O)

3 How about Biden? Obama may want to recalculate to get those charming PUMA folks. (Which would probably backfire anyway...)

Posted by: Some Guy at September 05, 2008 09:39 AM (lPxkl)

4 The article went up today (Friday) but all the cites it has to "push Eagleton" pre-date Palin's speech, so it isn't accurate to say that as of Friday they're still pushing the Eagleton meme.

Posted by: sissoed at September 05, 2008 09:40 AM (ICGqd)

5 The candidate most likely for the Eagleton treatment is Joe Biden.

Posted by: grc at September 05, 2008 09:41 AM (3h8sn)

6 This just confirms everything Ace said in his post about the dem's biggest flaw being their conceit and the fact they think they are smarter than everyone else. When in reality, they are a bunch of fucking idiots.

And, like Ace said, it doesn't matter if we tell them, they are arrogant in their stupidity.

Posted by: Manco at September 05, 2008 09:41 AM (xAXY/)

7 Nervous? About Plain!?

Heh. Maybe their LAN line is down or something.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2008 09:41 AM (0n9wc)

8 Rush has been pushing the "Reverse Eagleton" meme pretty hard - he was interviewed on Fox last night saying that Joe Biden better watch out for those pesky health problems^TM that might keep him off the ticket.

Excellent way to box in Axelrod's options...

Posted by: stirner at September 05, 2008 09:45 AM (ILUrb)

9 Seriously, I wonder if Bullwinkle Obama is about to try switching in Hillary to save his ass.

Posted by: someone at September 05, 2008 09:46 AM (2z2WN)

10 The Eagleton scenario is a real possiblity--but for Biden, not Palin. I am sure His Holiness the Dahli Obama is already regretting his decision (made in headier times) to shank Hillary and pick an old war horse. Unfortunately for "he-who-must-not-be-middle-named", the War Horse is looking more and more like a dead horse.

Seem's like Biden has been making up stories again--this time about how his wife and infant son died:

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040379

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040381

To be fair to Biden though, maybe it was Neil Kinnock's wife and kid who were killed by a drunk driver.

Posted by: Burke and Hart at September 05, 2008 09:48 AM (KeOQp)

11 The question is, if and when McCain opens up a substantial lead (and this may be as soon as this weekend, though weekend numbers favor Dems), what desperation shit are Bullwinkle and his MSM allies going to try?

All-out accusations of raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism?
More slamming on Sarah and her family?
Throw Biden under the bus?

There's got to be something that's too utterly lacking in human decency for me to even imagine right now.

Posted by: someone at September 05, 2008 09:49 AM (2z2WN)

McCain-Palin video...looks like from today.

Posted by: CJ at September 05, 2008 09:53 AM (9KqcB)

13 If Obama ditches Biden he's toast. Regardless of how the media tries to spin it, it will be seen as an act of desperation by the public and voters don't like desperate politicians. See all of the media coverage about how Palin being named VP was "an act of desperation" or "a Hail Mary Pass" by McCain. They wouldn't have said those things if they weren't trying to scare voters.

Posted by: Fuloydo at September 05, 2008 09:55 AM (S7Z5Z)

14 Rumor has it that Biden gets nervous everytime someone mentions the word "bus".

Posted by: GarandFan at September 05, 2008 09:55 AM (HLrE4)

15 Oh, right, the Politics of Paranoia. It worked for Nixon; and he pulled off exposing the Kennedy-Johnson-Hoover master plans as well-- for example to create such a mess in Viet Nam that the Chinese would commit a few divisions and the US could launch on them-- a plan that was thrown out by Nixon. I did see that, from a general on television. He probably got a kick out of whispering in Deep Throat's ear--which might be a spurious story, but is intriguing nonetheless.

Posted by: Music at September 05, 2008 09:58 AM (4gKQm)

16 The candidate most likely for the Eagleton treatment is Joe Biden.

But who would they replace him with? Hillary isn't going to sign onto a sinking ship and Xena is otherwise engaged at the moment.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 05, 2008 09:59 AM (6L459)

17 Times are tough in Wales, what with 12 hours in the mines and football after. Its hard to imagine how anyone could have the energy be the first in their family to go to college, and still sing the history of their people in verse while making things with their hands, or something

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 05, 2008 10:01 AM (evdj2)

18 How about a "Double Eagleton" engineered by the Clintons. It's not too late to save the "Democrats Year."

Posted by: swiaGunToter at September 05, 2008 10:06 AM (L6bOc)

This is weird, the dems are acting out of touch and slow to recogize or react to public sentiment while the republicans are light on their feet, tuned in to the Intertubes and coming up with really creative and cutting ads and stuff. This is like the opposite of Dole-Kemp vs. Clinton-Gore in 96. Thank God.

Posted by: Yojimbo at September 05, 2008 10:07 AM (yOC7S)

20 All these comments about maybe swapping Hillary in as VP; my gut tells me Obama did ask Hillary to be VP before Biden - and she told him to pound sand. Obama knew damn good and well having her as VP would put a lock on victory, and he was willing to hold his nose. Thats why the dem's VP rollout seemed to be chaotic. The whole meme about Hillary not being vetted is bull.

Posted by: Studebaker Hawk at September 05, 2008 10:09 AM (DFRoe)

21 Obama campaign officials have urged surrogates and allies to mention Republicans who are "nervous" about the Palin pick and to link those worries to George McGovern's aborted vice presidential pick of Thomas Eagleton in 1972,

Classic FUD tactic. And so completely transparent.

Posted by: Alex at September 05, 2008 10:11 AM (fgyj8)

22 Watched the video clip from MSNBC (which must cringe at having to air it). GODDAMN she's good and Johnny Mac sounds pretty good too.

Posted by: MAJHAM at September 05, 2008 10:13 AM (NMK3S)

23 This is crazy hilarious.

The "concerned Republicans" they're calling are folks like Lyda Green, who is the Alaska Senate President whose butt Palin kicked while in office, who is under investigation for connections to VECO, aka the Ted Stevens Slush Fund, and who is in the process of retiring rather than being utterly humiliated in the fall election by one of Palin's supporters.

Or it's Randy Ruederich, the Alaska state Republican chair who Palin blew the whistle on and who ended up having to resign from the state commission AND pay $12,000 in ethics fines. Gee, you think he'd be concerned about her being in an even higher position?

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at September 05, 2008 10:21 AM (E3Yxq)

24 Eagleton Fun Facts:

Thomas Eagleton once rode an Amtrak train to Scranton.

Posted by: Fritz at September 05, 2008 10:21 AM (zAvxs)

25 whether Palin's political resume had been thoroughly scrubbed

"Scrubbed?" Now there's a term than Baracky should not be using.

Lets's see: blocked access to Annenberg files ('til something was removed?); no college transcripts from three institutions; no records from his Illinois State Senate office; a laughable one-page medical report; records that got "eaten by bugs" in one Indonesian school he attended; illegal access to passport files by an employee of a DOS contractor whose CEO is an Obama advisor....all for starters.

No, I wouldn't be using the word "scrubbed." Not at all.

Posted by: JBean at September 05, 2008 10:27 AM (GHR75)

26 #20 Studebaker Hawk -- I bet you are right. I wonder if he offered it to Bayh -- who would have been the best choice, in my opinion -- former governor, younger than Biden, red state.

Posted by: sissoed at September 05, 2008 10:29 AM (ICGqd)

27 All these comments about maybe swapping Hillary in as VP; my gut tells me Obama did ask Hillary to be VP before Biden - and she told him to pound sand.

And to think that we laughed when people said that Hillary was the smartest woman in DC. We may owe her an apology.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 05, 2008 10:44 AM (Ds4I5)

Possible scenario to replace Slow Joe if Obama's camp panics and feels they need a shocker turbo boost..

Probably AFTER Slow Joe's debate with Sarah on 10/22, especially if he comes across as a clueless Beltway jerk...

A huge BREAKING NEWS bulletin, a tearjerker press conference where Slow Joe announces that due to "health concerns", he has to bow out. Hillary steps up to let us know that in this trying time, she's here to "serve" us and bring Obama to victory.

With less than a month of the campaign left, Obama and Hillary don't have to endure each other very long. Once in office, he could use her for funeral and ribbon cuttings, and as the "voice of the woman" image when needed.

As for "how would they get a doctor to 'verify' Slow Joe's health problem? If they won, who would be allowed to check? If they lost, would McCain bother?

This is not a likely scenario, just possible. Do be aware of it though if Hillary and Bill start campaigning like they're running themselves, and Slow Joe is rarely seen if at all, while rumors of his health pop up.

Posted by: KBDaBear at September 05, 2008 10:49 AM (miw86)

29 The whole meme about Hillary not being vetted is bull.

I have to agree with Spengler on this one. Obama and Axelrod knew it was the killer choice, but Michelle hates the Clintons with burning-in-hell passion. She won. Obama lost. McCain made the right move.

This article was published originally in the Guardian under the title "I Want to Rip Bill Clinton's Eyes Out!" and later republished by the New Yorker with the title "The Other Obama" -- it's long, but the hate -- from Michelle and her brother -- is red-hot.

Posted by: JBean at September 05, 2008 10:59 AM (GHR75)

30 Biden could always have another aneurysm. It would explain a poor performance at the debate and allow the ticket to moveon.org to Hillary

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 05, 2008 11:00 AM (evdj2)

31 NEWSFLASH:

Obama to replace veep pick Joe Biden with "Cousin Oliver" in bid to improve ratings polls.

Posted by: Glen at September 05, 2008 11:00 AM (HX/9W)

To: Obama/Biden campaign

RE: Palin-Eagleton Rumors

Wishng won't make it so.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 05, 2008 11:17 AM (O9Cc8)

33 For the record, Eagleton was not dumped just for seeking treatment for depression, he received electro-shock therapy.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 05, 2008 11:19 AM (T0NGe)

Seem's like Biden has been making up stories again--this time about how his wife and infant son died:

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040379

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040381

Fucking scumbag. It's one thing to bring up the role the tragedy played in his life, but to falsely smear the truck driver (who wasn't at fault- Biden's wife pulled out in front of him) now that he's dead and can't defend himself is deplorable. No apology for the blatant lie either- just a statement that he accepts that the "rumors" (which he himself started) were false.

Hardly surprising though, considering Biden's penchant for making shit up.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 05, 2008 11:21 AM (rf03a)

Many things have been said in these parts about Hillary.

Smart was definitely one of those. Along with a lot of other not-as-nice names. You have to be smart to come up with some of the ideas she's had, as mind-blowingly crazy as they have been (let's not forget that).

Posted by: Francase at September 05, 2008 11:26 AM (nrLPb)

36 I still say McCain should've gone with Shirley Chisholm. What, she's dead? Well she's still a good sub in for Biden. And has more of a personality. Even now!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 05, 2008 12:54 PM (zpaDL)

37 Andi has put up a poll on this very question, but he may take it down shortly since most respondents say that she will not leave the ticket.

Posted by: Terry at September 05, 2008 02:32 PM (QtO87)

38 I think Biden's gone right before the debates. I bet Obama's already talking to Hillary.

Posted by: joh at September 05, 2008 04:15 PM (1DPb/)

39 I think Obama needs to dump Biden and replace him with Cynthia McKinney. Siphon off those Watermelon Green Party nutjobs who went for crazy Nader in '00 and '04.

Posted by: Reiver at September 05, 2008 05:04 PM (s7h/P)

McCain? Who the hell is that?

Oh yeah, the guy keeping Palin's seat warm until 2012.

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if anyone should be worried about being thrown off the ticket, it's McCain.

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