1

Um, Ace, did you see the speech yesterday?  At all?

 

2 I think McCain's only option is to go 'scorched earth': he must attack Bush and Palin. It's the only way to win!

While he's at it, McCain should really show his Maverick-ness and attack McCain.

3 (I hate, detest, cannot stand cover it live). it always freezes up firefox for me.

The better question is:

When Obama says he'll cut taxes for 95% of people, will McCain grin like a sheepish idiot (like last time) or will he mention (like he did in the speech the other day) that Obama promised that same thing when running for state senate, then promptly signed a huge tax increase instead once elected.

4 The debate style and topic is too much of a down the middle fastball for McCain to strike out looking.  If McCain does strike out (which I highly doubt) he'll at least go down swinging.

If he does go down looking, then it's his own fault.  I'll still vote for him, but he needs to swing for the fences right now.

5

Who knows?  But again a huge event.

Come on Team McCain!

(getting lucky charms)

6 I like that idea #2.

"John McCain's policies are stupid.  That is why I will be a maverick and do nothing that John McCain has ever done.  You want Universal Health Care?  You got it! You want higher taxes for the rich?  Yours!  You can have everything Obama will give you..PLUS you can have it in a WHITE war hero!  How much better could it be?"

7 Don't forget folks, if you don't see your comments on the live blog it's not because we hate you (though truth be told Dave in Texas doesn't like you one bit), it's that there are a lot of them. We get as many as possible up.

Now if you'd like to increase the chances of your comment making it to the big time here are my suggestions:

1. Bring teh funny/information

2. Suck up to someone with posting privileges

3. Start spreading around some Jacksons.

These are in no particular order mind, some might get you further than others (iykwimaityd).

See you 9ish or whenever Ace opens it up.

8 McCain needs to rip off one of his own arms tonight and beat Obama over the head with it.

We demand blood.

9 There's no way I can actually watch the debate. I have no alcohol in the house. Some things just aren't meant to be done sober.

10 A town hall style meeting should be in McCain's wheelhouse.

If he can't pound Obambi and connect with the American people at the same time, he's got no business running for president.

11 Well if the McCain campaign follows SOP, then you have to own the news cycle for the next 4 weeks.  Every hour of every day inject your message into the cycle.  Get Palin on the news shows, and give her a script.  Pound it over and over.

The big problem here is that McCain has to use a hostile press in order to get his message out, so that makes the job 1000X more difficult than it should be.

K

12 Ah, me.  Some folks' glass is half empty; some folks' glass is half full...

Ace's glass is half pissed in.

13 OBAMA HIDING MEMBERSHIP AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN RADICAL SOCIALIST PARTY IN CHICAGO!!!

IT BREAKING ON NOQUARTERUSA dot NET!

Story Called "Obama Hiding A Radical Past"

Not sure if the Right is aware of it but this is going to be the linkage between the truth behind how much involvement AYERS actually has in OBAMApalooza.

3 letters and 2 colleges
Occidental Columbia SDS
Was Obama A Member while at these institutions??

Is that what Rudy Is Holding?

SDS the organization Weather Underground is a splinter faction of.

Ayers 2 blocks down from Obama while Obama was at Columbia!!

Bernardine Dohrn More to her and Obama than people are pointing out!!!

14 The deabte format dictates  that McCain has to get a question he can turn to that topic. The questions are chosen by the moderator Brokaw. Don't expect Brokaw to send any slow pitches down the middle (except for Obumble of course.)

15 Don't forget folks, if you don't see your comments on the live blog it's not because we hate you (though truth be told Dave in Texas doesn't like you one bit), it's that there are a lot of them. We get as many as possible up. It's because this is really for the us, not for the little people. Go post your pathetic little comments in the normal way and stop bothering us here....while we opine with the wit of the gods.

FTFY

16 And some people have apparently poured their drink on their head.

17 McCain:  Remember when gas was $4.50?  Senator Obama said he thought that was "about right."

18 Ace, do you have some inside info?  Or, by saying McCain will wimp out,  are you just bracing yourself by fashioning a "win-win" situation?   If JMac wimps,  you "win" by being right.  If he goes for the jugular, you "win" because you'll be happy.  My husband does this anytime we go to a movie in LA...says,"we'll never get in."  If we don't get in, he's right.  If we do, he's happy.  There are only two choices, so he "wins" either way!   

19

I'm betting that one of the "totally random, ordinary citizen" questioners will be a female who begins to cry as she tells the candidates that her blue-collar hubby just got downsized and now they don't have health insurance and are eating Alpo. I'm further betting that Obama will embrace her and "feel her pain" while the perfectly positioned photographers click their close-ups.

Hey, Maverick, I don't care that your legs are old and have the Viet Cong torturers stamp of approval all over them. You better be ready and get to her first.

20 marybel, you've broken the secret man code.

You must be destroyed.

21

#7, I hear what you're saying, and I know it hasn't even started yet, but why aren't my comments showing up?

OK, I'm on the record with that.

22

Corner (York) is saying no attack dog style from McCain.

23 ACE

GO TO NOQUARTER AND CHECK OUT THE BREAKING STORY ABOUT

OBAMA HIDING A RADICAL PAST - SOCIALIST PARTY MEMBERSHIP THROUGH HIS SECOND STATE SENATE TERM

OMITTED FROM HIS I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT TOO RESUME!!!

24

Question: How strenuously will McCain avoid discussing Democratic responsibility for the subprime crisis, and thus consign himself to ignoble defeat?

I don't know.  Is John McCain his own man, or is he Bob Dole without the broken dick?

 

Remember INCITEmarsh's formula for victory:

Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac + Jeremiah Wright/Bill Ayers = best way to win
FMFM - JWBA = maybe possible
JWBA - FMFM = huge loss

25 Let's not second-guess McCain. Let's just get stupid drunk and root for him. It's all we've got.

But: I really hate the notion that you can raise taxes on 5% of the population and cut them for everybody else. Even ignoring that the lower earning 40% pay no income taxes now, it just isn't fair. The playing field keeps getting more and more tilted. As taxes become more "progressive" the system becomes less democratic. It evolves into one class that pays ALL the taxes and receives no benefits for their money, and another class that pays NO taxes and yet can vote themselves all kinds of benefits. It sucks. Basic fairness says the poor should pay taxes, too, because we're all in this together.

God speed, McCain.

26 There is only so much room to make an impact on the public at large at each of these events. You can only make a few punches that will really count. This Ayers stuff is a wasted punch in the debate context and McCain would be wasting his time except to have a throw-away line about it. The subprime stuff is something he should really put some effort into. It will not be a wasted punch.

27

^{Corner (York) is saying no attack dog style from McCain.}

^{Posted by: ArandomPerson at October 07, 2008 07:46 PM}

Fortunately, he seems to just be talking about Ayers.  Ayers will get out there without the debate (it already is in fact).  We we need now is for him to go after Obama on Fannie Mae.

28

Basic fairness says the poor should pay taxes, too, because we're all in this together.

they do- sales tax, gasoline tax, etc

what we need is to eliminate the federal income tax. starve the government and all those who feed off it

29  thanks DrewM - I thought you were all against me, now I realize it wuz cuz my comments were Teh Unfunny/Teh Uninforming and I don't suck up enuf. I think I preferred thinking you were against me.

trying again tonight. I've got a half-gallon of Funny right nearby and will be on my......

best

30

DrewM. @#7: Now if you'd like to increase the chances of your comment making it to the big time here are my suggestions:

1. Bring teh funny/information

2. Suck up to someone with posting privileges

You know, I've always thought your epic poems were awesome.

 

 

 

Wait.  That ghey shit is JackM., isn't it.  It is.  Fuck.  I gotta suck up to DrewM.  Let's see, DrewM., DrewM., DrewM. . . .

What the hell do you do around here anyway?

31 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

No one here, or anywhere really, believes anything Johnson pushes.

He's a fucking liar who puts out nothing but crap. I'm sure whatever you are so excited about will pan out as much as the Michelle Obama "Whitey" tape (how's that coming Larry?).

32 does anyone know the debate format and moderator for the final debate?

33 All set to play the maverick game.

34 http://tinyurl.com/43tcqf ....poor widu fewwa

35

We'll get questions on:

Health Care

Global Warming

Pre-K educayshun

...that kinda shit.  Face it, we know who chose this audience of "undecideds."  Brokaw will absoluteley want to give McCain a chance to praise AlGore and offer him a Cabinet position, again, just to thoroughly piss-off conservatives.

36 I hear something ...ticking...tick tick tick

37 McCain needs to pound Barry and drive his smug elitist ass over the edge of sanity.
There's no shame in beating down a metrosexual if he refuses to fall in line like a good little bitch.

Lock & load, Johnny-boy.

38

OBAMA HIDING MEMBERSHIP AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN RADICAL SOCIALIST PARTY IN CHICAGO!!!

Easy there, big guy.  This is pretty old news.  Obama paid the New Party back with his born alive vote.

I'm pretty sure Obama could bite the head off a live chicken and slather his body with the entrails while flogging his dolphin to pictures of Sullivan fellating a donkey on live TV and his pole numbers would go up.  Nobody seems to care.

39 In this corner - wasted away to the point of near weightlessness - Mac ...VeSUVIUS!

40 If now isn't the time to take "You shall know their names and they will be famous." out for a spin, then there'll never be a time.
Should ACORN get a mention, I'd like to hear "Now we know what a community organiser does."

41

Jones/CO: like #1 except on economy/domestic issues, modded by Bob Scheifer Shiffer Sheefer the old bastard on CBS.

42 And in the other corner... weighing precisely when to come down right on top of McVesuvius ...O KaBONG!

43 I don't think he necessarily needs to attack.  He needs to state the truth.  Most Americans can appreciate someone trying to clue them in on whats happening.  McCain does need to call him on the lies he tells though.  Not sure how to do that without looking like a childish prig though.  Who wants to watch a bunch of "did so, did not, did so, did not" exchange.

K

44 Posted by: Jones/CO at October 07, 2008 07:54 PM (KOkrW)

I think the format is the same as the first but on domestic policy. Bob Schieffer of CBS is the moderator.

45 Obie...Kum By Yay ...Obie ...Kum By Yay ...Obi ...Kum By Yay...

46

#33 is the cue to drink

 "My friends..." ?

You'll all be wasted in 10 minutes.

47 thanks to all for answering my debate question

48

Also, I have somewhat high hopes for Brokaw.  He knows that Olbermann/Matthews are killing the brand — it's costing "NBC Nightly News" interviews with Palin — and thus will either play it straight or, if he feels the need to be biased it will be imperceptibly so.

In other words, more Lehrer, less Ifill.

49 Is this like the 4th of July? Or Xmas?....Or BOTH!

50 I figure this debate oughta be good for at least one full-on "inhalator" style Obama total breakdown.

51 We'll do it, live, goshdarnit...WE DO IT LIVE!

52 OBAMA HIDING MEMBERSHIP AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN RADICAL SOCIALIST PARTY IN CHICAGO!!!

WE already know he's a Democrat.

53

Diderot's dog @#42: And in the other corner... weighing precisely when to come down right on top of McVesuvius ...O KaBONG!

Obama's gonna jump into a volcano?  Uh, I don't think that's gonna work out too well.  Magma seems to be impervious to hope and change.

Also, you calling him anything that includes "bong" makes you a racist.  You big racisty racist, you.

54 O'Reilly at Colbert: Colbert outpoints him 28:1 and puts Bill's pasty white ass on the canvas - twice! Return match: Colbert at O'Reilly: Colbert not only completely own's Bill O- he takes his microwave as a TROPHY! Will Obama do something like that? How about: ARIZONA!

55 aw Drew you hurt mah feelins a bit...sniff.

56 Ace: "has difficulty admitting error and changing course". Gee willikers, that almost sounds like a mule...could McCain be the prop in the Manchurian Candidate?

57 Good news - McGrumpy's Team has arranged to bring some platform lawn on stage.

58

A.J.:  Ah, I see.  good.

As for Ace's worries; who knows how the debate outcome will be viewed by the middle regardless of how we morons view it? 

Still, I would love it if McCain does get to hit on fanny and freddy and the Dems.

59 There are many things I'm praying for tonight, but chief among them is one of those classic Barack um, um, ah, um, ah, Obama brain-freeze stumblebum moments.

I want to see him loose it for a good 45 seconds to one minute or so, long that Brokaw begins considering calling over a paramedics, and exactly long enough that the majority of people watching begin to say, "What the Fuck? I thought this guy was supposed to be articulate."

60 Sarah's probly busy doin' her pole dance to the base... so Cindy primed to save the day with that wet T bump n grind McNasty promises the bikers in June? GIT IT ON!

61 50/50 McCain goes soft on the attack. 

62 tonight I hope McCain says something like  -

"senator Obama says that the Bill Ayers he knows isn't an unrepentant terrorist. he says that the rev wright who preached hate and anti-semitism for 20 years while being Obama's spiritual mentor wasn't the rev he knew. the felon Rezko wasn't the man he knew. the crooked ceo's and executives at Fannie mae and Freddy mac aren't the men he knew....if he's elected president and meets unconditionally with Iran and a month later Israel is nuked will he tell the American people that that isn't the Mahmoud he knows?"

It would be pretty devastating.

63

I don't think he necessarily needs to attack.  He needs to state the truth.

I concurr. Telling the truth is, concerning Freddie/Fannie, a damn effective attack. And it's not him "attacking" Obama, it's McCain devasatating his positions. He just needs to lay out the basics of how this all got started, and then call out Bambi on any of his bullshit.

PS: I cut my teeth in the Nashville blogosphere. I'll know pretty soon if anybody prominent from there claims to be an 'independent' or 'undecided voter.'

Then again, Insty's from Tennessee too, so he'll know pretty soon as well.

64 Breaking news at Soros Moonbat satellite site SALON: Todd's membership card in Alaska First party sealed by secret pact with Eye-Ran. Ahmadi-Nejad annointedFirst Dude with Sacred Oils of Tehran....cellphone shots of Sarah slathering ecstatically in overflow... bonus: two Palin kids saved from drowning by the Sarahnator's First Witch Doctor...Nat Enquirer has full pics...anonymous figure lurking in nearby shadow beside blond bombshell & sporting $400 haircut- extra bonus: full frontal Tucker-on-Tucker-on-Tucker-on-Tucker action in McCain luxury box.

65 Have I mentioned lately how much I love the feel of another man's cock in my throat?

66 I wanna know how Don King pulled this one off.

67 I had a Diderot's Dog. Had to put it down. It was Teh Crazy (Deb Frisch-type). 

68 "Google Alert: Obama has packed these things with Code Pinkos and other partisans before  Everyone get ready to Google those names, and Opensecret their claims of being either "lifetime Republicans" or "uncommitted independents."

Dammit, why don't we ever think to do that. This campaign has been a day late and a dollar short since right after the convention

69 Dude....

70 No matter what happens tonight, I'm pretty sure we all can agree that it will be awesome!

71

if he's elected president and meets unconditionally with Iran and a month later Israel is nuked will he tell the American people that that isn't the Mahmoud he knows?"

Barak Obama isn't the Barak Obama he thought he knew

72

"Basic fairness says the poor should pay taxes, too, because we're all in this together."

"they do- sales tax, gasoline tax, etc"

If they live in a state with no income tax, they can deduct total sales tax paid from their income tax (on a return that was already going to pay back everything that was withheld and then some).  The extension of this deduction was in the bailout bill because it was actually in the House tax bill already that the Senate amended the bailout onto (along with wooden arrows, etc.)

73 ......e flogging his dolphin to pictures of Sullivan fellating a donkey on live TV and his pole numbers would go up.

HA HA HA HA HA.  You a funny man!!

74 I'm going to drink on every mention of Fanny

75 @#46: "Change", "Democrats", "Republicans", "Crisis", "Treasury", "Fannie Mae" and "Freddie Mac" are all worth 1 drink. "Supreme Court" or the name of a SCOTUS Justice, the name of a current or past cabinet member, or the name of a foreign country is 2 drinks. "Karl Rove" is worth 3 drinks, and "Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard" means you have to finish the fifth of whatever you're shooting.

76 I won't be watching the debate tonight. Instead, I will be reading comments here, MM and HA. I am wearing my "We're Screwed '08" T shirt. I wore it the last two debates.

77

How many viewers?    I guess.....45million.

I hope the live play thingy doesn't clog up this time around.

78 The better question is:

When Obama says he'll cut taxes for 95% of people, will McCain grin like a sheepish idiot (like last time) or will he mention (like he did in the speech the other day) that Obama promised that same thing when running for state senate, then promptly signed a huge tax increase instead once elected.

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 07, 2008 07:34 PM (ddGv/)

And what are the chances McCain will bother to mention that less than 50% pay any income taxes to begin with.  What kind of socialist math is Obama using to come up with this 95% number?

79 For us chronic Willey Whackers,
"Change", "Democrats", "Republicans", "Crisis", "Treasury", "Fannie Mae" and "Freddie Mac" are all worth 1 up'n'down. "Supreme Court" or the name of a SCOTUS Justice, the name of a current or past cabinet member, or the name of a foreign country is 2 up'n'downs. "Karl Rove" is worth 3 up'n'downs, and "Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard" means you have to finish whatever you're shooting.

80

I predict CNN will declare Obama the winner of tonight's debate.

 

 

81 "We know who William Ayres is:  He's an unrepentant terrorist who Senator Obama had no problem working closely with on several projects over the course of many years. We know who Jeramiah Wright is: He's a racist preacher who implores God to damn America, who says the government invented AIDS to kill black people, and who was Senator Obama's confident and mentor for more than 20 years. The question, my friends, is: Do we know who Barack Obama really is?"

82

Do I know he wants to drop the issue? No. I sure hope he doesn't. But if you've been watching McCain for any length of time, you may have noticed He has difficulty admitting error and changing course.

I wonder if he needs to be down 15% with the right track/ wrong track numbers at 1%/99% before he's able to put two and two together.

OBTW regarding the 9% right track number released today.  Who are these 9% of people who think things are awesome right now......Oh that's right I forgot. 

83 OT but worthy of mention; check out gatewaypundit's post about ACORN and the Dallas Cowboys... funny shit

84 There is so little in Obama's public record, but so very much in his backstage record that this debate is set-up to be the biggest take-down in Presidential debate history... if McCain decides to do it.  It is handed to him on a silver platter.  No matter what the questions are McCain has a high ground on it all.

85

How great would it be to see Hillary sitting in the stands start heckling Obama?

Where the hell has she been anyway?   I was told she was gonna be Obama's greatest supporter.

86 This was mentioned by Rush today:

Barack Obama and Raila Odinga

In case you haven't seen it before and *need* another reason to hate this guy.
Some Freepers are trying to get this to the MSM but I don't see that happening ... just amazing what he's getting away with.

87 Gonna chug if there's an obama 'me too' moment.

88

Insty has a link to MM's post about ringers and this:

Plus this warning: "It would be wise to dramatically lower your expectations of this debate. The town hall format lends itself to the worst pander-style, personal sob story politicking." Ugh.

We are going to hear about 'Greedy Wall Street" again I bet!

89 I wonder how many "undecideds" in Nashville are goona talk like damn Yankees?

90 Obama's getting the word out ... if McCain wants to talk about William Ayers, Rezko, or Wright tonight, I want to talk about America's future. He is playing the "I care about America" part well. Oh, but don't talk about my past, it doesn't matter. Damn straight it matters. Shit, with his past, he can't even get into the military or get security clearance.

91 Garrett on fox said obama is going to talk about more taxes during the debate. Ugh.

92 Telling the truth is "attacking" if it's done by a Republican.  Right now front page on Yahoo News:  "Going negative in debate could be a major mistake" and "Experts worry about grumpy McCain"

The MSM is ready.

93

(riff on a comment @ MM's)

Senator McCain, boxers or briefs?

McCain: Depends.

94

Smart money is on the 'old' McCain.  Soft spoken, a bridge builder, reaching across the aisle, very non-confrontational.  I assume some lefty news-head will be moderating?  Ok...we'll couple that with softballs thrown Obambi's way...well, fuck that, he'll hand carry the ball to Obambi's podium, and help him swing at it.  McCain will get questions designed to put him on the spot/embarass him, or just make Obambi look like the second coming of Glub Almighty.

P.S.  More smart money says CNN is pre-declaring Obama the winner....they've got writers working that angle right now....probably with Obama's help.  Ditto for the AP, and all the rest of the Main Stream "In The Tank" Media.

P.P.S  After action reportage will feature, on some channel, Bawney, "Mumbles the Gay Clown", Fwank, reminding us that McCain is a racist.

P.P.P.S  Heck, even this post is racist.  I'm a racist for mentioning it.  You're a racist for agreeing with me...or not agreeing with me. 

And lastly:  I'll watch anyway...just in case someone slipped some Red Bull in McCains evening sippy-cup of warm milk.

 

95 Cilizza spinning Biden no more inaccurate than Palin on Hugh Hewitt

96 I assume some lefty news-head will be moderating?

They pulled Tom Brokaw out of the closet and dusted him off to moderate tonight's debate.

97 Dusted him off?
He had to be chiseled out of the stone.

98 Carbonite

99 will somebody please SHUT THAT FUCKING DOG UP!!

100

Cry havok and let slip the dogs of war!!

 

101 Ahhhh, questions from online as well.  We'll never know about the audience selected.

102 Who picked out the high chairs?

103

You noticed Biden also won the coin toss?

104 I can't look away from Brokaws nose triangle .... its mesmerizing...and I'm drunk...

105 'failed policies of George BOOOSH."  .g/d, get a different line already.

106 but what about seniors Obie?

107 mutual ass kissing...bleh

108 ok, why do I not see live blog?  this is killing me

109 allow scripts from coveritlive.com

110

I predict CNN will declare Obama the winner of tonight's debate.

Not if Palin walks on stage and says "Gramps just had a Depends accident, so let's you and me do this, Sunshine.  First of all, I just want everyone to know I'm not carryin' tonight, but I AM pissed.  You go first, Numbnuts."

111 So I'm going to buy up all the bad mortgages now?? Which one is the Democrat again? GAWD.

112

McCain kicked him right in the nuts on Fannie and Freddie!

Yay team!

113 This sucks...... They both suck,....  Where is Sara?  I want Sara.....

114 I hate Obama

115

I miss Sarah, too. JM is running for the Bipartisan party. Maybe that will work - it's the mushy middle he's after.

I can't stand to listen to BO. I just can't. The mute goes on reflexively.

116 GOD DAMN IT, JOHNNY, GET OFF THE EARMARKS! Okay, they're bad, we get it. It didn't work in the first debate, it won't work now. Get back to how we got into this mess and who drove us there!

117 So I shouldn't shop?

118 Did I just here that Obama is going to help me "winterize" my home?

119 Like my sexy neighbor said...while we were drinking margaritas..."We're fucked"

120 this is a disaster.  Hello, President Obama.  Hello, Great Depression II.

121 global warming beats winterizing

122 I am listening in another room.  I cannot fucking stand Obama's "aaaaaaaaand" between every phrase.  That is going to drive me fucking nuts for the next four years if this chump is elected.  Or at least for two years until he is impeached.

123 Obama says inflate your tires...  How about people who do not work work as hard and make less living better than I do.. " My house is being paid off by the government, yet I have a Iphone"

124 johnny is baaaaaaack

125 Climate change? OMG no way is that an important issue - did that chick miss the WS meltdown?

126 I think McCain is not used to such a quiet Town Hall audience.

127

Unless we can harness the light off Obama's halo, we better be able to drill.

128 I think that last question was a plant.
A.) Republicans are known not to be "green" (at least in the socialist flat Earth no growth form)
B.) 95% of the African American voting block is going for Barack.  Betcha $1 she ain't from the last 5%.

Johnny had to F- it up anyway.  '...I've seen the effects globally from green house gas emissions'

129

FACT CHECK: Obama said he's for nukes, contrary to what McCain claims.  Truth: Obama does not mention "nuclear" at all on his energy policy page: http://my. barackobama .com/page /content /newenergy (nix the spaces)

130

Senator McCain please say something nice about free markets.

131 my comments dont show up in thelive blog

132 my comments dont show up in thelive blog

They're not worthy, or something

133

If I was playing that drinking game with McCain's 'my friends' my husband would be driving me to the hospital right now - alcohol poisoning.

Once you get over that, at least McCain makes sense. The other guy is so annoying eh uh oh and uh eh.

134

The employer paid healthcare system is the part of the system that is broken. Good riddance Bambi.

135

I predict CNN will declare Obama the winner of tonight's debate.

I think official debate judges should declare the winner.  Who believes anything the MSM says anyway?

136

"And your mamagrams...and your maternity"

He tripped up there for a second, and I actually expected him to say ..."and your abortions."

137 I think McCain is beating him with a stick. 

138 Did he just dig on Bidens hair?

139 I wish to god McCain would finally just say it:
theoretical: "This is the fundamental difference between me and my opponent.  Obama believes that the government can solve everything....

oh my god, he's actually saying it! (swear to god I started typing that before he started saying health care should remain private)

Now if he had just made a similar everytime the Marxist tried to wrangle people's envy of CEO payrates.  "So what if they make millions per year?  Do you have a problem with capitalism?  How do you think they got in to their CEO positions?  Winning a lottery?  This is capitalism at work!  Each and every one of you has the opportunity to make as much money as you can in our free market based economy.  This is the best country in the world to do it in!  This is one of the benefits of being an American Citizen, not something to be denigrated or taxed into nothingness!"

140 I am watching Senator McCain now, and it is a sincere disaster. Same old, tired, weak, etc. There are no excuses for this lackluster effort. We all knew it was coming.

John McCain showed everyone his very poor offering in the Primary. The Liberal Democrats, including the NY TIMES wanted Senator McCain to get the GOP Nomination for good reason.

There is little difference between the poor Candidate we see today, than during the Primary.

John McCain began to lose this election, when he grew panicked on the Economic issues, showing a failure of restraint, strength, patience, etc.

He made a fundamental mistake, believing he could run as an Independent, failing to defend the Party he Represents, including the fine aspects the GOP Leadership provided after 9-11.

Senator McCain could not even articulate the sincere reasons why we were in Iraq, or fighting the GWOT during the Primary, and hasn’t improved at all.

You cannot win an election, trying to be more ‘Global Warming’ than the Democrat offering. John McCain is basically running as a Moderate Democrat, and this is no way to win an election against another Democrat.

It is deeply regretful.

141 What is up with McCain's voice tonight?? He sounds like some creepy Golum thing. If he calls Obama his precious, I'm changing the channel.

142 Damn skippy he voted against SCHIP you marxist F**k!  I don't like paying for other people's kids' health care thank you very much asshole!  It's MY money dickhead!

143

Damn skippy he voted against SCHIP you marxist F**k!  I don't like paying for other people's kids' health care thank you very much asshole!  It's MY money dickhead!

So why don't you tell us how you really feel about it?

144 Health care is a right?! Where is that in the Constitution?

145

Other than the Public Broadcasting Corporation, what corporation isn't evil in Obama's eyes?

146 <blockquote>You go first, Numbnuts."

Posted by: sherlock at October 07, 2008 09:15 PM (ojW85)</blockquote>

That was the best crack if heard all day. I have a tickect to see her in Richmond Va next Monday and would truley love to here her get mad and call him that. I'd probably die and cruise right on up to heaven. Laughing my ass off all the way there!

147

 Obama is not qualified to be on my home association board.

But g-dammit. McCain's energy level /creepy factor is dismaying.

He's still playing chess when he needs to just wipe off the goofball the board.

 

 

148

This is McCain. He's not a partisan. He's not a conservative. He will not fight back the way Palin will and HAS. He likes to appeal to moderates and independants and undecideds and that startegy has never worked.

I would *pay* to see Palin vs. Obama, because then we'd have a conservative skullfulking of this ultra-slick bullshit artist.

149 There Barack goes again about of lack of respect in the world and seeking the world's approval.

150 oops ..looks dumb does it ^not?

151 Obama loves him some "fundamental" like Algore loved him some "lockbox".

152

Heh. There's my always present typo/s

So yeah I've been drinking. It's essential for survival at this point.

 

153 Well, I think we're done here, comrades. Ingsoc has arrived, the seventies are back with a vengeance, and your 401(k) funds are permanently for shit. Sign up for your Obama ration cards and get used to your new Chocolate Donut Overlord. You didn't really want that retirement money you saved up, did you?

154

"He likes to appeal to moderates and independants and undecideds and that startegy has never worked."

Why shouldn't he appeal to moderates and independants?  Those are the folks who are up for grabs.  Sarah should have the conservatives  pumped up by now.  Being a hard-core conservative in this debate would accomplish nothing for McCain.

 

155 Why does nobody ever address the idea that people (like McCain) backed the wrong military strategy? Any reasonable person over the age of ten should understand that it is the nature of war to be adapting and changing strategy constantly. You win because you have the will, the persistance, and power to do whatever is necessary.

156 Oops a white woman in the picture with Obama. Must be racist.

157 You fucking bitch.

Packistan is working WITH us you uninformed bag.  No thanks to people like Obama that talk shit about our country on a national stage making it harder to negotiate with the government of Pakistan.

158 Osama was out of Afghanistan before we ever entered the country. It wasn't due to any distraction of US forces in Iraq.

159 157, binLaden is pissing himself at an Obama presidency.

160 McCain, you're no Teddy Roosevelt, but good answer otherwise.

161

Barack Obama talks loudly . . . . . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(and has a little stick.)

162 I must respectfully disagree with those high-powered conservatives that think McCain is not doing well.  Townhall forums are not the place to get super-negative, and as I monitor another forum filled with Democrats against Obama, they admire the tone and tenor McCain is taking.  If McCain went super-hostile on Obama in this setting, the MSM would say he as "angry" or "desperate".  I think this is going fine.

163 Barry keeps trying to change the rules and now he did it.

164

Obama can NOT follow the rules. He must have a follow up. EGADS.

He has NO character.

165

Lost my signal due to rain.

Please tell me McCain magically turns into the guy who causes our beloved Ace into a cowbell kind of guy. Because otherwise.... just damn the reckoning and mayhem.

 

166 Are Obama's little feelings so hurt that he needs to have a "follow-up".

167 Bomb bomb iran what wrong with that?

168

Obama can't tell the difference between Pakistan (an ally) and Iran or N. Korea.

 

169

McCain= Daisy Cutter

Obama= Daisy Picker

170 167 Lol

Tom Brokejaw actually forced Obambi to halt on last round on what would have been yet another followup.  My feelings about that old has-been as a moderator has improved.  Slightly.

171

Obama is wearing a flag pin.  John McCain isn't.  Hmm.

172 171, McCain is a flag pin.

173

Signal back.

FUCK!

God I hate them both. How did this happen? Why is McCain our representative? Cuz he's so  not.

He's a moderate robot.

174

"Why shouldn't he appeal to moderates and independants?  Those are the folks who are up for grabs.  Sarah should have the conservatives  pumped up by now.  Being a hard-core conservative in this debate would accomplish nothing for McCain."

1) If you don't know who you're voting for by now, you're an idiot and for a presidential campaign to cater to that thought process is insane.

2) You can't out bullshit a liberal. Trying to play left of center just pulls the campaign that way in Obama's favor and given a choice between a liberal and a liberal, people pick the Democrat.

3) Conservatives don't have to lie about what they believe. Liberals do. Playing to the right forces Obama out on a whole shitload of issues he'll lose at; abortion, guns, gay marriage, higher taxes, etc.

175 my friends, we are fucked

176 Palin please... I need a fix of her goodness.

177 One of these two men will be your next president.  Stockpile liquor

178

I think Hugh Hewitt fell asleep.  He hasn't updated his liveblog since that ghey "peacemaker" question.

179 Someone tell my why Sen. McCain went to Joe Biden's Home Depot to buy a new toilet to flush America into the socialist sewer?

180

For what it's worth, Eeyores:

My wife is conservative leaning but nowhere near a political junkie.  She had the "everywoman" response to each of the debates (i.e. Palin OK but Biden seems more in command of the "facts").  She thinks Mccain is winning big.

181 How the hell did WE get a plant in there? Wow, McCain crushed OBama on the Israel question.

182 McCain's last answer was outstanding. He doesn't know the future, but he has the experience and character to face it. Best of the night.

183

 

   Limp on both sides, due to the careful question selection.

   I'd give it to McCain for one simple gesture, hid walking over to that CPO, and shaking rhe man's hand.

184 It's funny.  My dad asked me if I was watching the debates tonight.  I told him no, because there was nothing Obama could say that would get me to vote for him, and that the less I see of McCain, the better I feel about voting for him.

Based on your responses, it seems my strategy is sound.

185

Is Obama really going to be the Commander in Chief of our finest? Will American Marines and troops have to answer to this goofball?

The very idea ...

186 total softballs agreed upon before the debate by the candidates... total disappointment... no real hard questions.

187 What is that thing Michelle is wearing?

188 My wife hates Michelles dress.  Its not a cocktail party, its a debate.  Hates the sequins and the cheap ass zipper showing in the back.

189 me, @#48: Also, I have somewhat high hopes for Brokaw.  He knows that Olbermann/Matthews are killing the brand — it's costing "NBC Nightly News" interviews with Palin — and thus will either play it straight or, if he feels the need to be biased it will be imperceptibly so.

In other words, more Lehrer, less Ifill.

IFAIL

Those questions sucked yak balls.  They were biased and dull.

190

"Is Obama really going to be the Commander in Chief of our finest? Will American Marines and troops have to answer to this goofball?"

No, they'll be answering to cocksuckers like Ayers via a proxy named Barry.

Isn't that something we can all feel wonderful about?

191 This was a big, fat waste of time.

192 oh gag me, fox focus group.

193

"My wife is conservative leaning but nowhere near a political junkie.  She had the "everywoman" response to each of the debates (i.e. Palin OK but Biden seems more in command of the "facts").  She thinks Mccain is winning big."

I've been monitoring a PUMA blog, and they're 1). very pro-McCain, and 2). they hate Obama more now than they ever have.  This was for the moderates, folks.  If you want red meat, wait for Sarah's next stump speech.

194 Ace, I will never again do your stupid liveblog thing. I must have typed dozens of comments and not a single one went through. You guys suck.

195 I do NOT feel good about this. Debate over. I'm underwhelmed.
We. (Repubs/Americans) (but I repeat myself) Are. So. Screwed.

196 I know McCain has to appeal to the center in these debates, but he's proposing an additional $300B to buy mortgages that what we used to call "private citizens" don't want? Shit. Fire.

197 yeah, the liveblog sucks. It's like watching Frank Luntz's focus group talk about the debate.

198 {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
72% 33,307 OBAMA
25% 11,605 NEITHER
3% 1,263
Total Votes: 46,175

199 This was the largest stinkin pile o shit debate in a while. it should have been: "here is 45 minutes to throw up your campaign speeches again."

200 Card check ad - against.

It's official. American people want everything and want the Government to buy it for them, don't understand or care that taxpayers --the people that work buy it for them.

Steal this debate! Steal this book! Steal this life as we know it!

201 I like what Joe said. Not Biden.

202 Agreed- the debate questions sucked big pus-filled donkey balls. Why can't a debate follow the classic debate performance they used to teach in high school back when going to high school actually meant something?

203 Best part of the whole fucking debate. The candidates are giving each other a reach-around, and Tom Brokaw - Anchor-since-forever - can't remember who he's supposed to thank. "Guys! You're blocking my script!"

204 DAMN I must be old!

205

Jim62sch @#195: Ace, I will never again do your stupid liveblog thing. I must have typed dozens of comments and not a single one went through. You guys suck.

I typed hundreds of comments and got like three.  Eat me.

206 Romney said O! wouldn't do what it  takes take to protect Israel-- duh!

207 McCain won I understood him no circles McCain wa clear

208 Lunz group liked Palin and the next day they had her losing anyway. I don't buy any media crap except Ace's media crap.

209 Did you guys know there was debate tonight?  I didn't hear anything about it.

210 It's funny. My dad asked me if I was watching the debates tonight. I told him no, because there was nothing Obama could say that would get me to vote for him, and that the less I see of McCain, the better I feel about voting for him. Yep.

211 @208 McCain, did not win. And for another eye opener, neither did obama. Which means by default, Obama won.

212

Easily half the country is rightly pissed off about the $900 Billion bailout, so what does Mac do when served up a softball on this? He announces another $300 Billion bailout,. This one is for borrowers. Now I have to bail these pricks out too?

Shit... I should have bought a bigger house than I could afford and waited for Uncle Sugar to come to my rescue.

Great...Now that skank Claire is on Fox... Where the hell is my drink?  

213

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 07, 2008 10:45 PM (ubHgw)

If you just post comments next time, ALL of them will go through...

214 When oh when, are we going to get a candidate who can speak - McCain seemed out of breath and meandering.

Damn if I can remember one clear point raised above the general noise level by McCain.

What an opportunity, and only a few minor points scored.  Feeble.

I swear, if he wanted to teach his dog to sit, he would say to the dog: "My friend, we can do this.  I opposed pork and dog meat and have worked my whole life across the isle with Senator Kennedy to serve my country and I know what it means to be hungry.  We have to end the corruption in Washington and drill for oil.  But I believe in America, the greatest country in the world."

215 I hammered a few comments, none went through, oh well, such is life.  Who cares, go to bed.

We're screwed '08

216 Bad Questions + Bad, Boring Debate

No questions on 2nd Amendment, abortion, character, morals, etc.

McCain did OK, better than Obama, but not by much, but there just wasn't much to grab onto with the quality of the questions.

Three debates and yet no questions about abortion or gun control or SCOTUS.  Does appear to be some bias in the selection of the questions. 

I'd like to see the next debate where the Candidates get to ask each other questions.  I literally cannot think of a single question Obama could ask McCain that would throw him, but I can think of a couple of dozen that Obama could not answer....at least truthfully and cogent.

217 Oh shit! One thing.  UofC Hospital, Obama earmarks, so called "neighborhood hospital", patient dumping.

218

That was a flat out disaster. Unless Obama decides to take a shit on his shoes in the next few weeks, this election isn't going to be close.

All you numbnut fucks who just had to vote for Huck or Fred in the primaries can blow me when you now want to whine about getting behind McCain/Palin.  Fucking disaster.

219 No, Jack, if YOU had voted for Fred, we'd have a candidate who would have ripped Obama's head off and shit down his neck in front of millions of viewers.

220 You guys must not have watched the same debate as me! I thought it was awesome!

221

No, Jack, if YOU had voted for Fred, we'd have a candidate who would have ripped Obama's head off and shit down his neck in front of millions of viewers

Oh get a fucking grip.  Fred was the worst campaigner in the last 50 fucking years.  He did shit which is why he lost worse than even a squirrel eating idiot like Huck.  He has done shit since then to help his good buddy McCain.  He has done nothing.  Less than any other Republican candidate. Less than Romney, less than Huck, hell, less than Rudy who ran in one state and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Fred was something you chuckleheads made up in your minds as a candidate.  He got his ass kicked in every primary he entered.  He couldn't beat a Republican and he barely got off his ass.  Don't start pretending he was going to wake up and run a vigorous campaign in the general if we had only realized how brilliant he was.

 

222 "Total Unique Readers who pressed 'Watch Now': 1987"

If only the debate had been held on a Monday.

223 McCain needs a bulldog to make the attacks against Obama he isn't willing to make.

224

If you wanted to say Fred didn't run the best campaign, you would be correct. And he STILL DID MORE THAN MCCAIN DID TONIGHT!

So no, I'm not backing down on that.

225

And he STILL DID MORE THAN MCCAIN DID TONIGHT!

You did more than McCain did tonight.  You did more tonight than Fred did in the primaries.

Fred was a God awful candidate in the primaries and he earned his last place finish.  Too pretend he would have been a god in the general, well you can believe that, you are not going to convince pretty much anyone.

 

226 Rudy would have been the best campaigner, Mitt the best on the economy.  Fred would have decided that now would be a good time to start the campaign for the general.

Crap, damn if I can understand the fierce attacks on Mitt and Rudy, when the guy we nominated is more liberal than them anyway (Global Warming and buying all those mortgages?).  Plus he can't campaign worth a shit.

Rudy at least would have given them hell tonight.  Fred would have skipped the first two debates and gone for it big in the third.

227 Let me see - McCain underperforms, and it's -Fred backer's- fault?

Seriously.  Fellate yourself.  And gag on it.  And then vomit repeatedly.  Fucking cuntbag.

Qwinn

228

Seriously.  Fellate yourself.  And gag on it.  And then vomit repeatedly.  Fucking cuntbag.

Qwinn

Yet another articulate Fred! supporter.

How many fingers am I'm holding up?

Where the fuck has Fred been for his asshole buddy McCain anyway?  I realize he couldn't be bothered to campaign for himself, where the fuck is he now in the general?

Cuntbag?

 

229 JackStraw has a point. But I haven't noticed Rudy or Mitt taking up a lot of airtime on behalf of McCain either. (To his credit, and I am not one to give him that credit, Huck has stepped up.)

230

rls - "No questions on 2nd Amendment, abortion, character, morals, etc."

Oh fuck off. There were no questions on the space programme either. That is because nobody watching this debate gives a shit. Because if there isn't an economy, or if Hezbollah nukes New York, or if the Russians and Chinese go on a rampage, "all of this bullshit that you think is so important - you can kiss all that good bye".

231

"My wife is conservative leaning but nowhere near a political junkie.  She had the "everywoman" response to each of the debates (i.e. Palin OK but Biden seems more in command of the "facts").  She thinks Mccain is winning big."

I've been monitoring a PUMA blog, and they're 1). very pro-McCain, and 2). they hate Obama more now than they ever have.  This was for the moderates, folks.  If you want red meat, wait for Sarah's next stump speech.

Posted by: Joe at October 07, 2008 10:44 PM (XWJh5)

I hope you're right.  I listened on the radio and was about to cry on my steering wheel.

Jack Straw, you were a huge supporter of the bailout.  McCain signed it like you wanted.  He's a boring debater in a boring question format, so you aren't going to vote for him?

232

I can't decide if the questions were really boring, or if both candidates' insistance upon reciting the same crap we heard at the last debate as non sequitur responses to these people just made the questions sound boring.

McCain said he'd fix Social Security, but gave no specifics.  He said it would be tougher to tackle Medicare (true) but then came up with the BRAC commission as a model to deal with it?  I know the guy knows a ton about these topics.  I know he opposed the idiotic Medicare prescription drug expansion.  I know he's very familiar with the work Bob Kerrey and Warren Rudman did trying to come up with a solution to the entitlement time bomb.

Why the fear of saying anything specific?

233

JackStraw has a point. But I haven't noticed Rudy or Mitt taking up a lot of airtime on behalf of McCain either. (To his credit, and I am not one to give him that credit, Huck has stepped up.)

 

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Nobody has campaigned harder for McCain than Romney.  Ask McCain.

And nobody deserves it less.

234 McCain needs a bulldog to make the attacks against Obama he isn't willing to make.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at October 07, 2008 11:30 PM (LWi5E)

You may have heard of a lady named Sarah Palin?  I think McCain had something to do with selecting her for some kind of job or something?

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