1

 

As I recall, in 1976 Reagan made sure Ford carried California, and that was about it.

 

I predict Obama will carry New York.

2 Agree with you 100%.  And I imagine that any campaigning by her, for him, is going to include a negotiated settlement of her campaign debt. Larger debt reduction = more campaigning.

3 From the article:

"Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, has a legacy to protect: She has no intention of turning over her “18 million cracks in the glass ceiling,” as she called her supporters, to Ms. Palin,"

I don't think every last one of her supporters is a mindless troll who will do whatever she instructs.  There will likely be a huge amount of those same women who will vote for Palin for many reasons. 

4 Barry used her and walked out on her, and then realized he left his only car keys in her apartment.

Heh, heh, heh, heh.

5

I agree.  She'll do just enough and nothing more.  Mostly the underticket races.  Obama has to lose for Clinton to have any shot at 2012, and his VP will have the inside track for 2016.  So he has to lose.

McCain will win upstate NY.  I wonder if Clinton has any pull with the NYC/suburb vote.  If so, she could really fuck him over.  The Dems need an overwhelming win in NYC to carry the state.

6 I suspect Hillary is deeply conflicted about this.  She probably wants Obama to lose, but on the other hand she doesn't want to face Palin in 2012/2016.  Then again, she may be calculating that she's going to face Palin -either way- then, so.

The machinations of the Evil One must be deeply layered at this point.

Qwinn

7 I imagine a cabbie meter. Hillary pulls the flag down when she's stumping for the dumpling.

That way she can get some campaign reimbursement

She wants reparations!.

8 If NY were actually in play, Barry should just quit now and spare himself the embarrassment.

9 Priceless: "Clinton advisers say that Mrs. Clinton wants to do everything she can to elect Mr. Obama, so that she cannot be blamed if he loses — yet she also does not want to be too closely associated with him if he does lose, nor to tarnish her own image by taking on a rookie national politician like Ms. Palin and possibly coming up short."

Is it possible that Hillary knows her "35 years of experience" don't really stack up that well against Palin's record of actually accomplishing things and having, you know, real experience?

Our little moose huntin' hockey mom has these lefty gasbags quivering in fear. I love it!

10 When Hillary first relinquished her run, and her former supporter turned Obama supporter came up to her to express condolences, Hillary bristled, "You chose WRONG!"

Hillary has no viable way to actively support Obama without absolutely playing his nursemaid. Hillary's already given Obama as many featured endorsements as Oprah has. She can do her dinner engagement fund raisers, but owes Obama NADA. Considering how the DNC turned on her, she owes them no more than whatever she chooses to give.

And why should Hillary disaffect women voters at this point whom Sarah Palin has won over? Those are the bulk that elect Hillary to whatever office. Yes, obviously the core of Pinkos are around. But the MODERATES that have voted for Hillary in the past and would vote for Hillary as likely as not again in the future, those moderates are with Palin right now, and they're not all women.

At this moment, wise politicians are observing the pulse of America, and not attempting to enforce cardiac arrest just to please Obama. SHOULD Obama lose, why go down with him? Should Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid fall into the minority, why lose good graces with Sarah Palin? Why should Hillary not grease the wheel leading to her next triumph? She knew all along that Obama would lose; that is why she thought that she would be the winner without trying at the onset. With Palin's appearance, I'm not surprised that Hillary has two reasons to limit her exposure with Obama now.

11 I may be drooling from lack of sleep, but I hear many PUMAs when I put my ear to the New England ground. I personally know several, and Hillary kicked The Zero's ass in MA despite Teddy, Lurch and Coupe d'Eval locking arms behind him. You can imagine that she "might not be able to schedule time" to make it up here again this fall, so sorry BO.

12 If Obama wins she'll be running against Palin in '16. If he loses she'll be running against McCain or Palin in '12. Seems like a no brainer to me.

13 Also - the Mrs. Clinton/Ms. Palin addition to the stylebook is really starting to piss me off. I cannot WAIT until I get my next pathetic call to subscribe to the Bath Tissue of Record.

14 Sorry schizoid - not buying. If you were as grayed at the temples as I, you would know that even if Obama wins, there will be a new slate in '12 due to his Epic Fail of Carter proportions - with significant damage to the Dem brand. Hillary would run against him in '12 with McCain's '08 playbook.

15

Shorter Hilary:  'If you wanted me to campaign for you, maybe you should have put me on the fucking ticket.'

Even shorter Hilary: <tosses lamp>

16 Wonder if the aide didn't add "Her schedule could be cleared to make time for you.  I'M SURE THERE ARE 21 MILLION REASONS WHY SHE WANTS TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU.

17 An Epic Fail of Carter proportions is not Fail enough. Carter was renominated in '80.

18

The MSM hates Hillary and isn't too fuzzy about Sarah either. They love Obambi because the liberal elitits MSM love emasculated boy toys.

Compared to Bambi Hillary has a solid set of stones; but, compared to Sarah Hillary is Pee Wee Herman to her John Wayne.

BTW, has anybody seen Joe Biden - he disappeared faster than a vibrator at a Hillary sleep over.

19 One, it is traditional for the nominee to help the other candidates with their campaign debts. Did Obama ever offer to help Clinton with her campaign debts?

Two, the Clinton supporters are not going to flock to Obama even at her behest.

20 An Epic Fail of Carter proportions is not Fail enough. Carter was renominated in '80.

He was the sitting president at the time.  That pretty much seals the deal. And for better or worse, old Teddy gave him a run for his money.

21

Leonard Pitts Jr., he must be a Rev Dr as well, dusts off his thinking cap and shoots out this wonderful bit of opinion.

Leonard Pitts Jr on women

22 I think Hillary will push harder than you would think. At this point she can't deliver any more votes than she already has. She will campaign for Obama as much as he wants as long as it suits her. She isn't going to bumpkinville in other words, which is where Obama really wants and needs her. She will tow the party line at large fund raisers in NY, NJ, the west coast and Florida and go on any TV show they want. Who wouldn't? It's great advertising for her. Don't forget there is another book deal in this failed campaign of hers so consider it a publicity tour. None of it will help Obama much as she will be preaching to the choir.
One thing she won't do, cut Palin personally. It's not going to happen, policy only for Hillary and it's Palin's personal appeal that Obama needs a strong woman to attack. Sebelius isn't going to cut it, she's not well known enough and too boring.
She's a female John Kerry. The same will be true for Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer and the rest. Hillary is the only top woman Democrat with any widespread appeal, which says a lot about the Democrats, the party of women lol.

23 An Epic Fail of Carter proportions is not Fail enough. Carter was renominated in '80.

Because the party didn't have anyone with Hillary's balls.

24 Teddy included

25 Hillary herself has already indicated that her thrust will be against McCain, the top of the ticket. Sarah will studiously avoid referencing any novel points Hillary might bring up.
Hey - I think lack of sleep makes me a better analyst!
Krauthammer should try it!

26 Are you sure? Hillary is only rumored to have killed someone. Teddy actually did it!

27

I'd also say that Andy is really on to something.  What benefit does Hilary get going up against Palin?  Palin has youth, looks, big mo from public opinion, no real negatives (at least that anyone has found), and a couple solid wins to her credit.  She is a fresh face to a polity fed up with business as usual.  

Think about it, nobody in politics - or the MSM - really knows how to counter someone like that right now, it's not in the playbook.  That's alot of what has the pundits freaked out - they can't keep their phony baloney jobs if they can't pretend to speak with authority and their ham handed attempts to date have only hardened alot of the public's resolve.  People are beginning to recognize real risk in taking shots at Palin.

If you were Hilary, assuming even if you thought you had a winning strategy for taking on Palin, why in the world would you just give it away to Obama, or anyone else? 

28 Hillary could still support him in a backhanded way - by declaring herself an independent candidate. Window is closing fast, though.

29 [Begin Quote] Barry used her and walked out on her, and then realized he left his only car keys in her apartment. [End Quote] And then he tried to sneak back into her apartment to retrieve them, and, on the way out, got his pee-pee stuck when the window slammed down on it. Now he's really stuck, and is reduced to a quivering, begging little pussy.

30 LOCK BOX!!1!

31

I know at least 3 PUMAs in my office that are going for Palin and the old guy. However, Palin could lose them, from what I overhear, if she hits the abortion issue too hard. They want a woman in the White House, badly, and they think that Obama is a dog for what he did in dumping Hillary. However, they're worried about a rabid  taliban-style right-winger taking away their rights. They don't think that of Palin yet, but they could fall that way.

Still, I think that if they don't vote Palin, they'll stay home.

Anybody else hearing anything at the water cooler?

 

 

 

32 *ring....ring....ring*

Hello?

Hello Barry, how are you? 

Oh, you're welcome, it was a good speech, wasn't it.

What?

Well, let me look at my calendar, Barry, I'm a busy woman.

Hmmmmm,  let's see, I've got a nail appointment on Tuesday, and my hair on Wednesday.  And I've promised Madeline Albright we'd go shoe shopping at the end of the week, so that rules out Friday, and probably Thursday. (Big sale as Saks, doncha know.)

Let me see about the following week.

Oh, look, here's an opening....on Wednesday....the FIFTH OF FUCKING NEVER!!!!

33

Oh, and Purple Avenger -

I don't want to be a spelling Nazi or anything, but, well, uhm - about that headline:

Bill Clinton has aids.

Hillary Clinton has AIDES.

Got it?

34 Oh, and speaking of PUMAs, check this out:

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/drawing-the-line/

Dang, women can be skeery sometimes...

35

Big bold headline on Fox news page

DEMS ADD MILLIONS TO VOTER ROLLS --Battle between Obama, Clinton helped Democrat voter registration surge, changing arithmetic of Nov. election

 

Ohhh, I'm scared.  Millions, huh? 

36 DEMS ADD MILLIONS TO VOTER ROLLS

They do that every election, and it never matters.  They always sign up new college freshmen every year to vote Dem, but those same students always sleep in on election day and never vote.

37 34 Oh, and speaking of PUMAs, check this out:

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/drawing-the-line/

Dang, women can be skeery sometimes...

Posted by: hey, wada minnit at September 06, 2008 10:44 AM (ez7V0)

OK, this may be a little too conspiratorial but follow me on this.  If you click that link, there is a sidebar ad for 'N.O.T. for Democrats 2008' which says "I Own My Vote" and features an orange ribbon, which I am guessing is the the colored ribbon signifying you are a PUMA. Remember when McCain joined Sarah Palin onstage after her convention speech?  He was wearing an orange tie, which struck me as an odd choice, but now makes some sense, if he was sending a signal to the PUMAs to come vote for him.

Or am I just nuts?

38 Are you sure? Hillary is only rumored to have killed someone. Teddy actually did it!

Yeah, but he moped around for hours afterward like a bitch. Hillary farts in his general direction.

39 An energized Republican base will GOTV in record shattering numbers. Watch.

40 Those "NEW MILLIONS TO VOTER ROLLS" headlines actually suppress the Dem vote (shhh!). Lazy bastards think that for sure someone else is picking up their slack.

41 I'm skeptical of Hillary voters coming over to Palin; they're just too different politically. But I did a Google search of "hillary clinton forum," clicked the first one on the list and browsed for a while. DAMN there are some angry women out there. Angry at Obama, and madder'n hell that he's sending Hillary out to play gladiator for him. Those might not translate to McCain votes, but they're sure as shit not going to boost Obama. Who knows what the actual percentage is? But they are where I was ten days ago: really, really thinking about staying home.

42 McCain will win upstate NY.  I wonder if Clinton has any pull with the NYC/suburb vote.  If so, she could really fuck him over.  The Dems need an overwhelming win in NYC to carry the state.

OK this is just wild speculation on my part but isn't that what the web is all about.

I live in Suffolk County, Long Island.

I was on the McCain site just before the Sarah pick. McCain had just opened a NY/NJ office in NJ. I have no idea of knowing if this SOP for campaigns to open more offices closer to the election or are the McCain internals showing a possibility of winning in one of these states.

Hill did really well everywhere in NY during her re-election bid but she had no competition. I voted for the guy running against her and cannot remember his name. However, in the the very scientific poll of bumper stickers there is a lot of animosity directed toward Hillary in Suffolk County. I have heard plenty of people comment she has done nothing for Long Island.

My county evenly divided in 2004 presidential  race with  Kerry winning with  a small margin.

Like a previous poster stated if New York is in play the O should just forgetaboutit.

43

The Man-child is burning though his campaign cash like a house on fire and he refuses to help Hillary retire her enormous debt. He's saving his donor lists for his floundering campaign. Unless he slides the beast some bucks she's only going to do the minimum required by party loyalty.

44

FTA #21: Leonard Pitts Jr. uses Bush I replacing black Justice Thurgood Marshall with black Justice Clarence Thomas as an illustration of Republican tokenism. 

Hey, Junior, how much would you have bitched if he HADN'T?!  That's what I thought, dipshit.

Oh, and since the fact that Sarah was a small-town mayor 6 years ago apparently destroys her credibility for Junior, let's ask what Barack was doing 6 years ago?  He was voting "present" over and over as a State Senator (elected by getting the Chicago machine to remove all his opponents from the ballot through legal technicalities), and hanging with unrepentant leftist terrorists, that's what he was doing, dipshit.

Pitts' only redeeming virtue as a writer is that most of his writing is so incoherent that it lack the ability to insult you as it is intended to.  On those rare occasions that a few strings of subjects, verbs, and predicates randomly line up in a way that roughly approximate normal thought, the message conveyed is almost always a pretty clearly contrived one of grievance and spite.  Junior is a professional "black" writer, you see.  That's racist code for somebody who can't write for shit, but gets by on "authenticity" because of his skin color.

Leonard Pitts Jr. is a tool.

45

Has Bill Clinton lost alot of weight with Aids? Aids getting him up and joggin every morning and eating healthy? And are you HIV Positive about that, Lokki?

/southpark

46

I have posted this at so many sites that I am losing track. Anyway, the Obama campaugn is a sinking ship. Palin campaign merchandise is selling like water in a desert. Eyeglass manufacturers cannot keep up with demand for Palin's frames.

In 1960 JFK was so popular that men quit using Vitalis, Brylcream, and other hair treatments. JFK went to his inauguration bare headed and the hat industry tanked.  Forget Gallup and the rest, watch the sales of Palin items.  

 

47 I suspect Hillary would prefer vacuuming Cheetos dust out of Michael Moore's fat rolls than actively campaign for Obama.

48 Oh, Hillary. Don't you remember? Don't you remember when we pinky-swore to be best friends forever? BFF's no matter what? Oh, tell me you do!

49 Cheetos crumbs in fat rolls don't turn into dust, they turn into yellow smegma.

50 To Hillary Clinton, those 18 mil cracks in the glass ceiling are just a demographic.   Blacks, too, were just a demographic and look what happened. 

Liberals do not vote with any sort of logic, they're entirely emotion driven, that means anything can happen.

51 I mean this respectfully but Obama really shouldn't want Hillary to campaign for him as a counterbalance to Palin because Hillary has certain shortcomings that are only highlighted in comparison to Palin.  And yes, that's shallow, it shouldn't matter but Hillary's, uh, more matronly look is only emphasized when put up side by side with Palin.  It's kind of like that ugly fat friend thing, which is always unfair and not to say that Hillary is ugly or fat but just in comparison.

52 Eyeglass manufacturers cannot keep up with demand for Palin's frames.

My husband even bought me pair of Palin style eyeglasses. He asked me wear to them. Funny thing I have 20/20 vision. Whats up with that?

53

While I was at the Steak house waiting for the wife to show up for dinner, the plasma in front of me had CNN.  Their motto “No Bias No Bull” really upset my digestion.

Hey how do you start one of those internet rumors?  Something along the lines of …the Real Reason Oprah won’t have Gov. Palin on her show, is she got Freaky with the Messiah; and wants to keep hitting that on the side.  Once you’ve had messiah…you…aaa…aa…OK, somebody come up with something clever.

54

49 Cheetos crumbs in fat rolls don't turn into dust, they turn into yellow smegma.

HA! long live "Red Dwarf!"

55 It's always hard when a little girl's dreams are crushed by a more manly usurper. Nita Lowey learned to cope when Hills drank her milkshake. Nita grief-counseled Hillary when Barry humiliated her. Now it's Hillary's turn to dry a little girl's tears.

56 i think 20% is high - very high.  she can't run and win against a president obama in 2012.  it would be liberal potus v. yesterday's liberal family.  the only way she could win would be if obama screws up - hillary would need a failure, and a HUGE one. 

how many sitting presidents sought but failed to be nominated by their party for re-election?  i can't think of any in the modern era - and i'm back to fdr in my head.

running against palin (as sitting vp) allows hillary to run as "i told you so" liberal v. "i lost the general in 2008, but am feeling much better now" liberal in the primaries - a battle she can win.  the HUGE screw up is already in the books when mccain takes 2008.  she would then run liberal v. conservative in the general.  a clear choice not needing a screw up.

i think she's going to gloat in making him an after-thought in her senate campaigning - just as he did when he bounded back to the stage and said, "oh yeah, you guys give some money to hillary, ok?"

i enter the pool at 5%.

57 My husband even bought me pair of Palin style eyeglasses. He asked me wear to them. Funny thing I have 20/20 vision. Whats up with that?

The secret to a long marriage?  Get your wife several different wigs.  During sexy-time it's like a different woman each time!

58

The secret to a long marriage?  Get your wife several different wigs.  During sexy-time it's like a different woman each time!

As often as my wife changes hairstyles and color it's like that already. I wish she'd go back to red (her natural color). Crazy doesn't go away with a dye job.

59 Hillary! has to torpedo Obamabi.   She won't be able to run against a sitting Democratic president, no matter how much of a failure he might be.   (And even if he does fail, you can be sure the media will excuse it away, keeping the Democratic primary voters comfortably in their cocoons of ignorance.)

So Hillary! has to subtly torpedo the Messiah (thus ending his chances forever, since Democrats don't renominate losers) and then hope that McCain screws up so bad that he drags Palin down with him.

Which might not be a bad bet, since even if McCain wins, he'll still have the Democrats in Congress trying to thwart any attempt at reform.

And even if McCain succeeds in doing good,  there are a hundred ways he might not get credit for it, most of them having to do with the mainstream media's unwillingness to say anything good about a Republican.

Nope, Hillary! has to sink Obama this year; he's the most immediate threat to her plans, simply because his victory will stop her for the next eight years.  She can put Palin off until 2012, and hope that she stumbles between now and then.

60 Capt. Bullshit is not supposed to campaign in NY. It is supposed to be in his pocket; if NY is in play he has huge problems.

61 Once you’ve had messiah…you…aaa…aa…OK, somebody come up with something clever.

Once you've had messiah, you never lose desire

...your pants are always on fire

...you're singing to the choir

..you're also in bed with Ayers

...you're always be a liar

..you'll properly inflate your tires

62

Hillary! has to torpedo Obamabi. 

Exactly. But the funny thing will be that none of Hillary's fingerprints or DNA will be found at the "crime scene". And none of the details will ever make it to the light of day. Boy this stuff is fun!

63 Man, what's up with all the aids posts on this blog? First Sullivan, now Hillary... How about renaming the blog "Aids of Spades?"

64 "I'm skeptical of Hillary voters coming over to Palin; they're just too different politically"

If they're not attracted to Palin's abilities, then they're as likely to not vote at all as to vote for any POTUS, including a Hillary write-in.

Unless you're a progressive Marxist, there is no reason to vote for Obama.

65 I'd love to see Sarahcuda say to her..."how can you support this pussy  after he didn't even consider you? What the hell's wrong with you? Have you no self respect? I guess after being married to your husband, you'll take any kick in the teeth a man can give, huh? I mean, that girl blew him what?...25 times?"

A guy can dream, huh?

66 Leonard Pitts was OK for quite a while, then he came down with BDS and hasn't been worth a shit ever since.

67 #52  He wants you to play governor and the naughty lobbyist of course.

68

Hillary may be done even if Obama loses.  If her own party stabbed her in the back and put this empty suit up in her place once, whos to say they won't do it again?

If the party brokers didn't see this disaster coming as she warned them when she was beating him in primary after primary, why would you think they would remember it in 4 years?

69 Sarah: Hey Hillary. I'll get your fucking debt eliminated, and possibly more than that, if you'll go all-out for me. As a bonus, you'll get to publicly eviscerate that toad Obama.

70 Obama is the emptiest suit they got in the senate. 

Unless they want to go full tilt suicidal and put up some screeching moonbat like McKinney/Wexler/Ellison, they went with their best this time.

71 Hmm, Clinton not rushing out to help campaign for Obama. Hmm, who didn't see that coming a mile away? Oh, yeah, Obama. Well, maybe he did, but why do I get the feeling there are gonna be some surprised looks around Obama HQ - not to mention angry and -- dare I say? -- bitter ones.

72 No, Obama wouldn't let Hillary run for President, and he wouldn't let her run for Vice President either.  However, he will let her campaign for him, and she can iron his shirts too.