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Which would mean Democrats would be out of office in two years.
The whole point of this lie is to pass the plan in small pieces. Oh look, if we just pass ObamaCare and the doc-fix, with the cuts proposed, it only costs us a hundred billion or so.
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It makes the fundamental goal of any conservative approach illegal.
That is: You can not legally assume the responsibility for your own health issues. Even if you are quite well off. Nor can you say "Well, I earmarked savings for anything up to $10,000, I'll buy insurance for anything beyond that."
They're making the fundamental goals of conservatism illegal. Yes, I fully realize how far we are from having everyone well enough off to self-insure. But, it will be illegal.
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Sort of related, just read that one of Seattle's largest and best hospitals, a "model" in ObamaCare conversations, Swedish, is going to stop treating patients with Regence, the largest insurer in the area. Why? Because Swedish wants to raise rates on Regence patients by 32% next year and Regence is balking because it doesn't feel it should raise costs on its insurees by that much.
Oh, but yes Democrats, by all means keep up the "evil health insurance companies" meme.
Some theorize Swedish is getting in a cost increase now in anticipation of Obamacare.
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Math is definitely partisan. It's hetero normative and more than a little racist.
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noone in the media is even reporting the doc fix as existing or effecting thenumbers.
they're just jumping up and down saying - Reid's bill saves 100 billion on the deficit!! YAY!!!!
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Isn't that how GM did their books this year? Just ignored a full quarter's worth of costs?
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Sort of related, just read that one of Seattle's largest and best hospitals, a "model" in ObamaCare conversations, Swedish...
A hospital named after an entire TRIBE of Scandis?
What's next? Adolf Hitler High School? How about Charles Manson Day Care Centers? An AOSHQ 12-Step Program?
Madness.
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Double dip recession here we come!
Just to clear up this point--some sort of recovery is necessary for a double dip to occur, otherwise it's just a continuous negative sloping line.
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Forget any sort of normal, W double dip. We are headed into an M. That second "dip" will be fatal, since we just bought a little time (for trillions) from the first hit, transferring all of the problems from private books to public ones. The road ends here. The next move down ends only at monetary oblivion.
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Forget any sort of normal, W double dip. We are headed into an M. That second "dip" will be fatal, since we just bought a little time (for trillions) from the first hit, transferring all of the problems from private books to public ones. The road ends here. The next move down ends only at monetary oblivion.
You know, when I reached this point I cut back on my spending, got a much cheaper apartment and focused on paying off my debt. Apparently, this was not only irresponsible of me, but very selfish as I didn't pay for my neighbor's car instead.
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seniors are now being denied care on a routine basis.
Try it, just try it, and see what happens, you bunch of worthless chickencrappers in Congress. Hell, I know that most 20-30-40 somethings think Medicare is a huge drag on wages and the deficit, but wait until you turn 65, like me, and see how you feel about it then. After paying into Medicare all these years, and watching the idiots in Congress and what they are trying to do with Obamacare, we seniors are just a little angry. I've said this before here, and I am saying it again, we have long memories and we vote. Every election, every time. Most of the idiot whippersnappers (haven't gotten that one into a conversation in awhile) who voted for Barry Odumba in '08 won't be voting in '10, but we will. Just watch and see what happens when the libs get through screwing things up. Really bad shit is going to happen to incumbents in '10, if we have anything to say about it, and we do.
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You have really gotten inside the leftist mind. It's a scary place, even just to visit.
And, don't worry, Washington took care of you paying for your neighbor's car. Next time you'll do your civic duty and, given the same circumstances, build up as much debt as you possibly can and, if you're lucky, make yourself too big to fail.
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That's not precisely true. A true leftist mind would have forced someone else to pay for her neighbor's car at gunpoint.
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Seriously, you cook 'em right and you can get six or eight meals out of a one-pound bag of dried pintos. Of course, by "cook 'em right" I mean "soak them overnight in vodka and eat raw, by the handful."
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Kind of OT, but:
Reid's health care bill puts a 5% tax on cosmetic surgery.
Here is Section 213(d)(9)(B) of the IRS Code:
(B) Cosmetic surgery defined. For purposes of this paragraph, the term cosmetic surgery means any procedure which is directed at improving the patients appearance and does not meaningfully promote the proper function of the body or prevent or treat illness or disease.
At first glance, it seems as if Reid's cosmetic surgery tax will only harm Pelosi.
But what about...braces. Seems to me braces fit in the IRS code of cosmetic surgery. If so, then I guess this is another instance of where Obama is raising taxes on those making less than 250k/year.
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